Romance Is a Bonus Book: Episode 8
by abirdword
The weekend arrives, and the publishing crew makes time for clubbing, crying, and some romance. The ladies head out to the clubs in search of some fun and the mythic Gangnam Leopard, while the men try to rally their grieving colleague. But once the hangover subsides, there may be some feelings that can’t be hidden anymore from our heroine.
EPISODE 8
Dan-yi joins Seo-joon outside Eun-ho’s house, the green onion plush he designed for her in her hands. Eun-ho interrupts to bring Dan-yi a coat, and to demand that she return quickly, since she’s supposedly promised to watch a movie with him. Seo-joon sees through this ruse pretty easily, and he smiles as he asks Dan-yi to join him for a walk.
As they stroll, Seo-joon brings up the book cover he’s considering designing for Gyeoroo. He says that he’ll design it if Dan-yi asks him to, but Dan-yi gets distracted by the hand warmers she finds in her pockets, placed there by the ever-considerate Eun-ho.
And speaking of Eun-ho, he very considerately returns Dan-yi’s new green onion plush to her bed for her, though he’s still pouting about it. He grabs a book from his bookshelf, and Hae-rin’s letter falls to the floor, number thirteen. Eun-ho registers it, and then returns it to the bookshelf unread (so he’s known about Hae-rin’s feelings for a while now…)
Seo-joon expresses his surprise that Eun-ho can be warm-hearted, and Dan-yi thinks back to the email she received from Dong-min. While he paid her alimony, he also begged her to keep Eun-ho away from his restaurant (ah, so she knew!). Dan-yi tells Seo-joon that she wanted to thank Eun-ho for what he’d done for her, but she didn’t, and she suspects that there are many little things that he’s done already and will continue to do to help her.
At his place, Eun-ho’s brooding is interrupted by a text from Hae-rin. She gloats about her flower strategy to get Seo-joon in her debt, and asks if she should bring dumplings from her family’s restaurant for tomorrow. But Eun-ho ignores the text, and Hae-rin grumbles about it as her mom scolds her for wasting the beautiful face and body she inherited on a guy who doesn’t like her, ha.
Seo-joon and Dan-yi arrive at a cute little restaurant where they have the place to themselves. Seo-joon’s called ahead to place their orders, and that’s when Dan-yi spots the reservation sign, where Seo-joon’s name is listed for today as well as tomorrow. Busted. Seo-joon explains that he was worried that Dan-yi wouldn’t be convinced to join him tonight, and that he’d planned to try again the next night if he needed to.
Dan-yi coyly asks if she should have played hard to get, and Seo-joon laughs, and then apologizes for his unfortunate reactions to her divorce and age from the other night. But he says that he still wants to get to know her, and asks if she’d be willing to date for three months.
Now Dan-yi has returned home, and she reports this suggestion to Eun-ho. While she’s flustered by just the idea of being asked on a date again after so long, Eun-ho wants to know whether she’s seriously considering it.
Earlier at the restaurant, Seo-joon spotted her hesitation, and quickly suggests something more casual: they can ride the bus to work together every morning and have dinner together each evening.
Eun-ho can’t believe Dan-yi plans to agree to this plan, while Dan-yi relishes the feeling of possibly finding love again after 30. She tells Eun-ho this might be her last chance to date anyone, and he grumps that fine, she should go ahead and date every guy who asks her out. But a stern look from Dan-yi elicits a quick apology from Eun-ho. He tells her that he’s just in pain.
Dan-yi scrambles in front of Eun-ho and checks for a fever, and Eun-ho moves her hand from his head to his chest. Dan-yi totally misses the point he’s making though, mostly because she’s distracted by all the unexpected muscles her hands find. “Look at you, you’re a man,” she says, and with that, Eun-ho pounces and pushes Dan-yi to the floor, their lips inches apart. “I am a man, a really great one.” And then he’s up and heading for bed, leaving Dan-yi flustered.
After some half-hearted tidying, Dan-yi yells at Eun-ho for leaving the lights on in the bathroom. Eun-ho’s emotions are riding high too though, and he charges back out to confront Dan-yi about her interest in Seo-joon. He tells her that she shouldn’t care about how Seo-joon feels, only how she feels, and whether or not she really likes the guy. Dan-yi says that she won’t know how she feels until she gives dating him a try. This is not the answer Eun-ho wanted to hear, and he thumps the green onion plush in Dan-yi’s arms as he retreats to his room again.
The next morning, Seo-joon heads to the bus stop to pretend to go to work (because yeah, this guy works from home), and Eun-ho spots him as he drives to work. Eun-ho can’t handle his frustration and parks his car in the street to “discuss” things with Seo-joon, which mostly means trying to convince the guy that Dan-yi isn’t interested.
Seo-joon asks Eun-ho not to reveal to Dan-yi that he’s just pretending to go to work, and Eun-ho says he wouldn’t want it to look like he was a loser trying to come between the two of them, ha. Eun-ho finally gives up when they spot Dan-yi running to the stop, though he pouts as he watches the two of them from his rearview mirror.
On the bus, Dan-yi takes out the book Seo-joon gifted her, and Seo-joon offers to share earbuds. The two read, share interesting parts from their books, and listen to music. When Dan-yi arrives at the office, she adds her own thoughts to the inscription Seo-joon left in the book, chronicling their first cute morning date.
Ji-yul arrives, and Dan-yi hands over all of the reader letters that she offered to help her with. Ji-yul hasn’t worked on any of it, and offers to buy Dan-yi lunch, though she doesn’t mention it’s Dan-yi’s hard work when she turns it over to Hae-rin. Hae-rin’s been watching the two of them though, and asks Dan-yi to be in charge of reader letters from now on.
Eun-ho arrives, Author Yoo’s manuscript bundle in hand, and the entire office crowds around to watch him unbundle it. The newbies lean in, and Dan-yi whispers that this author is one of the few remaining who writes in longhand. Jae-min unties the cloth and breathes in the heady aroma of ink from the pages.
Eun-ho wins the battle to transcribe the manuscript, and Dan-yi is volunteered to help. Director Ko tries to suggest the Chinese characters might be too much for Dan-yi, but Dan-yi lets everyone know she knows quite a few characters. Jae-min suggests Eun-ho rents out a suite for them to work, but Eun-ho says he’ll just work at home, and asks Dan-yi slyly if she’s okay with that. With that all decided, Hae-rin volunteers to get Seo-joon on board as their cover artist, since he now owes her a favor.
Yeong-ah wants to head to the club now that it’s Friday, and Dan-yi can’t think of an excuse not to go. And what’s this… it seems like Director Ko raises her hand to come along as well. But when Yeong-ah asks what she’s doing, she plays it off as just a little toxin therapy for her armpits, ha ha.
Meanwhile, Seo-joon has made his way back home, and he enters his locked room. The room is full of books by Author Kang, as well as a murder board with clippings of the author’s public events and other news. Eh, really nothing that scary in here, yet.
Dan-yi texts to let him know she can’t meet up for dinner after work, and then another text comes in from Hae-rin, asking him to meet. At the office, Hae-rin gloats to Eun-ho with Seo-joon’s return text agreeing to meet. Eun-ho’s really not interested in Seo-joon though, so Hae-rin asks him if he’s going to be okay working at home with Dan-yi, when he’s living with someone. The smallest jerk of a smile hints at his lips Eun-ho tells Hae-rin to mind her own business.
Ji-yul and Hoon linger in the book stacks and agree to go clubbing that evening too. Another colleague stops by to suggest they go to Midnight in Gangnam, where it’s rumored that every third Friday of the month, the infamous “Gangnam Leopard” shows up, and sometimes takes home one-night stands.
At the club that night, Ji-yul is worried that they’ll run into Yeong-ah and Dan-yi, but Hoon assures her that the two will never make it into the club. And indeed, even though Yeong-ah brought them both sunglasses and claims that Dan-yi is a model, the bouncer is not willing to let them into the club. That is, until Director Ko, wearing a chic fur coat and a leopard mini stalks to the front of the line and waves her friends in past the stuttering bouncer.
Once inside, Director Ko arrives with drinks for all three of them, and then they sexy-saunter down the stairs towards the stage. Director Ko gives them a wink, lets the coat drop away, and heads up to the stage to dance front and center. The whole club explodes in cheers and everyone dances and waves. Oh man, is Director Ko the Gangnam Leopard?
As the night winds down, Ji-yul and Hoon spot Ji-yul’s mother’s secretary spying on them as they exit the club. Hoon puts his arms around Ji-yul to make it convincing, but Ji-yul nearly strangles him when he suggests kissing. Even without a kiss, the secretary reports that the two seem very much in love, and that Hoon is actually kind of cute, haha.
While the ladies are at the club, Jae-min and Eun-ho track Ji-hong down at a fishing dock. Jae-min is both kind and stern, and tells Ji-hong that he’s filed a leave of absence for him, but that he needs to return to work by next week or he’s fired.
At the club, the ladies file out, though they attract the attention of a young admirer. He’s eventually dragged away by his girlfriend though, ha. Yeong-ah and Director Ko are ready to keep drinking, while Dan-yi protests that she’s ready for home. Except… she’s joking, and eventually smiles and tells them to lead the way.
They make their way to Director Ko’s house, where there are enough bathrooms for everyone to have their own, and the place is still a total mess. The ladies don’t seem to mind though, and they settle in amongst the clutter while the director brings out the gin. Director Ko notes that Dan-yi seems a little uncomfortable at the director’s home, and Yeong-ah suggests they try to talk casually as friends, and then calls Director Ko the Gangnam Leopard and giggles (I knew it!)
Yeong-ah and Dan-yi giggle together that Director Ko will be mean to them on Monday, but she retorts that she’s not the type to hold grudges, and Dan-yi agrees with that. They agree to spend every third Friday out together, and cheers to it. The conversation turns serious suddenly though, as the director asks Yeong-ah about her divorce. She points out that Yeong-ah didn’t seem to be bothered by Ji-hong’s imprisoned brother, so she wonders what could have driven the two apart. “He was never on my side,” Yeong-ah starts.
Back at the docks, Ji-hong starts the same story for the men and we flashback to a simple shopping trip. They’re mostly buying things for Ji-hong’s family, until eventually Yeong-ah spots shoes she likes. Once inside the shop, the store clerk is gruff and yells at Yeong-ah for asking for the prices. Yeong-ah moves to defend herself, but Ji-hong just pulls her back and tries to disengage with the clerk.
Dragging her out of the shop, Ji-hong comes up with excuses for why the clerk might be in a bad mood, but Yeong-ah is furious that Ji-hong seems to be on his side and not hers. She screams at him right there, “Whose side are you on? … You should be taking my side!”
Back in the present on the docks, Ji-hong laments that she served him the divorce papers the next day. In Director Ko’s apartment, Yeong-ah sighs that she realized then that she had thought of her husband as the one person who would always be on her side, and that she’d been mistaken all this time.
The ladies all cry into their drinks, and then Dan-yi volunteers her own story–she too is divorced, left by a man who cheated on her. Director Ko and Yeong-ah promptly volunteer to go kick him in the nuts as a group, ha. Now it’s Director Ko’s turn to share, and she trips into another room and brings back a framed photograph of her in a wedding dress with her groom.
Yeong-ah and Dan-yi gasp, but it turns out that Director Ko was never married, because she ran away at the altar. She waves at the mess in her apartment, there because she’s always alone, so there’s no reason to clean. The sobbing rises as all three women hug it out over their gin.
Eun-ho returns home from the docks, and panics when he finds Dan-yi collapsed on the kitchen floor. He immediately calls for an ambulance, but then Dan-yi rolls and mutters on his lap, and he realizes she’s just very very drunk. He cancels the ambulance and instead carries Dan-yi to bed and tucks her in.
The next morning, Dan-yi drags herself to the kitchen floor again, this time thoroughly hungover. Eun-ho teases her and then coaxes her to breakfast after some tea with honey. As they eat, Dan-yi’s memories start to come back, and she realizes that she let her true self, that rough-talking bully, out the evening before. Tired of talking, Dan-yi swore at both Yeong-ah and Director Ko to shut up and stop being annoying. Eun-ho can’t help but smile as Dan-yi hangs her head.
Morning arrives at the docks as well, where Ji-hong still sits. A bedraggled Yeong-ah joins him with ramyun and tea, and the two eat and drink in silence for a beat. She encourages him to come back to work and keep living his life, even though she understands very well how hard life has been for him lately. “I’ll see you at work Monday,” she says as she walks away.
Back at Eun-ho’s, Dan-yi has recovered and the two of them dive into the transcription of the manuscript. Eun-ho is the first to get tired, and Dan-yi tucks him into the couch, but he’s soon awake and back at it, while now it’s Dan-yi who starts to yawn over their work. As they sit side by side, Dan-yi’s head begins to bob, and then lands on Eun-ho’s shoulder.
Cut to Hae-rin and Seo-joon, who meet to discuss the book cover job. Hae-rin turns on the charm as she tries to persuade him.
And back to Eun-ho, who takes in Dan-yi’s face, first with his eyes, and then he traces the shape of her nose, the curve of her lip. He leans his head in, but a text buzzes in on Dan-yi’s phone, from Seo-joon. A second buzz wakes Dan-yi up, and she reads the texts. Seo-joon is with Hae-rin, and he says he’ll do the book cover if Dan-yi tells him to.
Dan-yi excuses herself for some tea, and texts back that Seo-joon must definitely sign the contract. Seo-joon grins broadly and tells Hae-rin he’s on board. Hae-rin smiles, and says that the forecast for snow must have been a good omen. Seo-joon looks out the windows, surprised that snow is in the forecast.
Dan-yi is contemplative as she makes the tea. I wasn’t asleep, she thinks. (wait, she wasn’t asleep?!) And yes, though she was sleepy, and closed her eyes as she rested on Eun-ho’s shoulder, she was awake the entire time as he brushed away her hair and caressed her face.
The predicted snow starts, and both pairs look out to watch. Eun-ho suggests that they drink their tea in the garden, and Dan-yi joins him there. He calls the snow beautiful, and Dan-yi recalls the evening when they looked up at the moon together, and he said the same thing. She mentions to Eun-ho that he even posted about it on his social media, and included the factoid that Natsume Soseki translated the phrase, “I love you,” as “the moon is beautiful.”
Dan-yi points out that it was she who told Eun-ho that story, while Eun-ho was still in high school. “That’s why I told you that,” Eun-ho says, “and that’s why I told you again, that the snow is beautiful.”
Eun-ho leans over to brush snow from Dan-yi’s hair, and she pulls away awkwardly. He scoffs and asks if Dan-yi finds him attractive all of a sudden. As he leans in again, Dan-yi turns to him and asks directly, “Do you like me?”
COMMENTS
I wasn’t asleep. I gasped out loud when I heard that.
It had to happen at some point, but like Dan-yi, I had gotten so accustomed to the comfortable sibling vibes of these two that I wasn’t prepared for her to catch on so suddenly. And I definitely wasn’t prepared for her to immediately address it with Eun-ho, though I’m pretty sure this episode played me on purpose and set me up for this surprise in the best way.
The opening scenes are all about secrets that are known but kept private for others. We learn that Dan-yi knows that Eun-ho is the reason that her ex-husband suddenly coughed up alimony. Eun-ho knows about Hae-rin’s infatuation and the letters she’s been leaving him. So of course I expected Dan-yi to keep her suspicions to herself after that almost-kiss.
That scene was beautiful, but Eun-ho isn’t the only guy who had some good moments this hour. Seo-joon is a man of gestures, both big and small, and he squeezed in a romantic private dinner and a sweet bus date. I can imagine him authoring a website all about great date ideas, and they would be all really earnest, sincere entries.
The problem for him, however, is the lack of chemistry with Dan-yi. All the great planning can’t make these dates feel like anything more than two beautiful people being attractive next to one another. These two are going to be amazing friends, but eventually even Seo-joon is going to have to see past all the romantic coincidences and realize that Dan-yi doesn’t want a Cinderella story. He’ll get there, especially if Dan-yi just keeps talking non-stop about Eun-ho on every date.
But Seo-joon’s going to be okay, because hello, B Couple. Consolation prize couples is not always my favorite trope for second leads, but there is some major chemistry here between Hae-rin and Seo-joon. Seo-joon might still be a little distracted by Dan-yi, but I’ve seen him flash a sheepish grin at Hae-rin too many times to doubt that these two aren’t a potential match. Heck, he’s even got great rapport with Eun-ho. It’s just with Dan-yi that everything falls flat, and I believe that is by design. We are not meant to fall for the second lead, and I’m totally fine with that.
Seo-joon’s murder lair was just about as sinister as I suspected of him–a bunch of books and a fanboy relationship board dedicated to his favorite author. Seo-joon and Eun-ho both seem to have absent fathers and sick/dead mothers, and I’m wondering if this is where the mystery of Author Kang is headed. I can’t tell you how delighted I will be if these two turn out to be illigitmate half-brothers. That is, as long as the show maintains the balance and doesn’t swing too melodramatic.
I am prepared for these two guys to win each other over by the end, no matter how the mystery wraps up. But I’m glad that we’ve kept up the petty bickering and jealousy up to now. I keep waiting for Eun-ho to just run Seo-Joon over with his car and call it a day. If anyone was ever tempted to hire out the truck of doom, it feels like Eun-ho would do it gladly right now.
But we’re at the midpoint, and it feels like we’re at the precipice of a change in power dynamics. Seo-joon may no longer have the advantage, nor will no-longer-oblivious Dan-yi. Jealous and pouty Eun-ho is delightful, but Eun-ho with all the power in this love square? Yes please.
And it just feels like he’s going to drag this one out on all of us. He’s so honest about his feelings when he believes that she won’t believe him; I can only guess that he is so going to deny his feelings when asked directly, because he wants to know not just that she knows how he feels, but that she feels it too. Eun-ho is focused on Dan-yi’s feelings, for better or for worse, even if it means taking care of the stuffed animals other guys give her.
There was plenty to love in the love plot, but I’m so glad that we got a great girls’ night out for the publishing ladies. After some rough patches for Director Ko the last couple weeks, she got the opportunity to show that she’s not a bad colleague, just a very insecure one. But she trusts these ladies well enough to invite them over to her messy sty of a home and show them her wedding portrait, so she’s still open to the possibility of real friendship and trust. And I’m hoping that now that Dan-yi’s showed her true bad girl colors to them, they’ll be even more welcoming to her.
It’s interesting how Director Ko and Dan-yi are two sides of a coin. Director Ko is what Dan-yi might have been if Eun-ho hadn’t dragged her back to the altar. Dan-yi is what Director Ko was afraid of becoming. And in the end, they both end up lonely. And loneliness ties all of these women together, including Yeong-ah.
The dissolution of Yeong-ah’s marriage was so heartbreaking, because it wasn’t about something big, but something small, and that small things was actually foundational. She wanted to feel not alone, like someone had her back, even when life was bad. And Ji-hong was not getting that done. It hurts the best, because there’s no outright cruelty, just casual neglect that destroyed a marriage.
The two currents of this episode don’t necessarily weave together; there’s nothing integral about Dan-yi’s heart-to-heart with the ladies and her changing relationship with Eun-ho. But I really kind of like it that way. There is more to Dan-yi and Eun-ho’s lives than one another. They make new friends, they care for old friends, and then return home and scrape one another off the kitchen floor as needed.
This is the kind of episode that leaves me with that perfect drama hangover. I am Dan-yi, sprawled out on the kitchen floor, just waiting for next week.
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1 LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
February 20, 2019 at 3:07 PM
The three Indie films they've unsuccessfully smashed together to make this show look really cool.
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
February 20, 2019 at 3:08 PM
Which is to say, I'm tapping out.
Hopefully this won't be 2019's Evergreen and I won't end up watching the entire back half while asking myself why I'm watching the entire back half. If I do, you have my permission to virtually smack me one.
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adieunoire
February 20, 2019 at 8:15 PM
I'll smack you if you smack me. I "watched" ep 5 today (ie fast-forwarded) and I really WANT to like this drama. But, alas, I do not. I love LJS and I think hes doing great.
I need to just walk away but I cant! I'm probably going to watch and FF the whole thing, just to watch LJS . *facepalm*
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
February 20, 2019 at 9:07 PM
*winds up arm*
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frabbycrabsis loves KBS Drama Specials
February 21, 2019 at 3:42 AM
Good! Drop a show for once in your life! 👏👏👏
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2 latebloomer
February 20, 2019 at 3:32 PM
He came straight out and told her that he knew she would understand what he meant by "the snow is beautiful." So why do you think he's going to backtrack? He's been trying to get the words out, she caught him caressing her face. I don't think backtracking is possible at this point.
I expect Dan-yi will freak out before she allows herself to fall in love with him. She already loves him as her closest friend.
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another woodalchi nicole recruit
February 20, 2019 at 3:52 PM
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another woodalchi nicole recruit
February 20, 2019 at 3:54 PM
I agree. I don't think backtracking is possible, and I don't think he's going to try to do that. That being said, I also don't think it's going to be a big emotional moment. I'm expecting sort of sweet and down to earth but also a little bit condescending: Yes. I like you, and if you weren't such an idiot, you'd have figured it out sooner.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
February 20, 2019 at 4:00 PM
That sounds like exactly what he would say ; ))
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OldLawyer
February 20, 2019 at 8:42 PM
I agree with all of your points- and it is what makes dramatic sense.
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3 latebloomer
February 20, 2019 at 3:35 PM
Meanwhile, how crazy was that drunken bonding scene in Dir. Ko's apartment? She can't get along with either of these women at work, but now they've shared their sad stories, they're going to be besties?
Show, don't tell me you're going to bring back her almost-husband for a happily ever after ending!
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OldLawyer
February 20, 2019 at 8:45 PM
I do not see how they could do that. But what about her widower boss deciding that he has grieved enough for his wife? So far we have seen no chemistry but with 8 episodes that could be fixed. Just a thought.
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latebloomer
February 21, 2019 at 10:42 AM
That's a possibility, but when she brought out the photo, told her story, and then started asking, "He's probably married, right? He married someone else, right?" -- it felt to me like a setup for, "Wrong, he went to America to get over you, but never did, and wow, just coincidentally, he wrote a book and he's back in Korea to get it published."
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OldLawyer
February 21, 2019 at 11:34 PM
That works too.
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4 another woodalchi nicole recruit
February 20, 2019 at 3:49 PM
Dear show,
I'm sorry I doubted you. Please take me back.
Lovelovelove,
meee
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5 Kafiyah Bello
February 20, 2019 at 3:51 PM
This is the last time I will say this, but this episode reiterated for me why this drama needs no romance, at least for Dan-Yi. They need to reintroduce her child as well. I will now fix my mind to the romance, and hope for a good 2nd half.😊
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6 Blue (@mayhemf)
February 20, 2019 at 3:59 PM
This was such a perfect episode for me!!
Loved loved the girls bonding. What a beautiful and emotional scene.
No, I really hope Eun-Ho doesn't cop out. May be he will smile and go inside without answering but he won't refute it or lie.
I think he has sown the seeds now in her head, so Dan-I has to see things in a different angle.
She has to get him out of the 'brother' zone! It will be interesting.
Sure, go ahead feel more muscles if that will help *wink*
Am here for all the characters and not just the romance. I like how balanced it is. Its not focussed on just main leads and not everything is about them. Both leads have a personal life aside from each other. They don't share everything to each other. I really like this in their relationship.
Ep 9 come soon!!
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Moonbean
February 21, 2019 at 2:34 AM
What I like the most is that the side characters are not fillings, they are not annoying or irritating. They have interesting and engaging stories.
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fromanotherstar
February 21, 2019 at 3:03 AM
I loved the girls bonding moment! It was so good to have a back story from the director and the other characters as well.. I'm really invested in their lives and much as I am for the main couple :)
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7 isa: I'm not a serial killer I'm just really passionate about things
February 20, 2019 at 4:05 PM
I said it last recap and I'll say it here, I dig this little drama. I just do. I dont think I have much to add to the conversation in general because its not something that I can analyze really. I just do.
I love the potential friendship between Dir Ko, Yeonah and Dan-yi. Finding friends as an adult is so hard! Most people have their friend group and they arent really looking for new people (or is that just a me thing...goodness. I hope thats not just a me thing. Is that just a me thing?) So, I love that Dan-yi who has been trying her best to keep her best foot forward no matter what happens at work because she's just a temp and is trying to find a place here, lost her cool. I love that she had the opportunity to cry with people who understand her pain. She didn't tell her best friend for an entire year that she was divorced and homeless. She held all of that in, she cried all of those tears by herself. I'm glad that she got to cry them (even if she's been saying they were unnecessary) with other people who understand.
I will say that my first reaction to Seo-joon's dating plan was ARE YOU KIDDING ME MAN? EVERY DAY? They are going to ride the bus and have dinner together every.single.day? Is it just me or does that seem like a stupid long time? How long is this bus ride? And dinner is what--a couple of hours? Every day.
As you can see, I am not a people person.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
February 20, 2019 at 4:09 PM
No, its hard to make friends after a certain age. Atleast all my (very few) friends are from my 20's.
That scene where Dan-i raised her hand and said 'I am divorced too' was such a liberating scene. She knew at that moment that these people would understand. Not ask her 'why? what happened? where do you live now?' etc etc.
This is what she was lacking. so glad these girls went on a Girls night out.
Last point - I am not a people person either. And I had the same reaction. Dude, after a long day at work I want to watch drama while commuting.. leave me alone ; )
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kdragon
February 20, 2019 at 4:22 PM
"I dig this little drama. I just do."
Ditto 😁
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bbstl 🧹
February 20, 2019 at 11:17 PM
No, it's not a just-you thing at all but a very common complaint that it's so hard to meet new friends the older we get.
And I also thought, every day??? That's an auto-NO, are you crazy? Get out of my space! Although I really do like Seo Joon a lot and think he'll make a perfect swoony bf for the right girl *wiggles eyebrows at HaeRin*
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Kokare
February 21, 2019 at 7:33 AM
auto-NO 😂😂
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drabea
July 23, 2020 at 9:43 PM
A. Yes, I found that making friends became more difficult as time went on, and then, the few good friends I developed (mostly at church), either died (of breast cancer and it's "treatment" at 45), or moved. Even the cousins that I was close to, growing up, became busy with their own siblings and growing families.
I'm glad my Chinese and Japanese major daughter, introduced me to Kdramas, and BTS.
They take up a lot of time, and have a lot of like- minded people to share ideas with.
B. That Seo Joon, every day, ride and dinner, really waved a big bright red flag for me.
It seemed so premature, controlling and inconsiderate of her needs.
After my divorce, I spent several years trying to meet a gentleman who would love and appreciate being loved; who wanted to be a blessing to each other.
That was, until I reached a "certain" age, and it seemed that the older the men got, the younger the "partner" they were looking for.
To me, especially in the early stages, it seemed like you need some time to process, and be able to back up or back away easily if you realize that something is off.
However, I wonder if that may be more of a western approach?
In some Kdramas, after a blind date or other means, it seems that they may have more of a mindset of "making it work".
Just like the Director Ko and Dan-i "two sides of the coin", both the hesitant approach and the
making it work approach, seem frequently flawed.
Near the top of my Heaven Bucket List, I plan to ask God why He didn't come up with a better way for us to find a good match.
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fromanotherstar
February 21, 2019 at 3:07 AM
I agree with you about being hard to make friends after a certain age.. Actually, for introverts like us (as I believe most of us are!) it has always been hard... But add the age and timing and yes, creating new bonds is as hard as finding a good boyfriend hehe
I'm glad Dan-i was able to dance, talk, cry with other women :)
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beantown
February 21, 2019 at 5:24 AM
I get his plan, though. He works at home and has minimal daily contact with others.....hes got to be so excited over a potential playmate
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Beverly
February 21, 2019 at 5:31 AM
Lol. I didnt think about that. I'd hate to have my morn and evenings booked like that, but ii like how it is completely up to Danyi. Plus, they are reading and listening to music which us the only way to do a commute.
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beantown
February 21, 2019 at 5:38 AM
Yes! @bcampbell1662
My husband and I both work from home; he works up in the cloud and will do anything if it involves human contact. I on the other hand, take care of people all day and night, so I appreciate your stance- my downtime is sacred!
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isa: I'm not a serial killer I'm just really passionate about things
February 21, 2019 at 7:37 AM
When you say it like that I guess I get it...but my not so inner introvert completely recoiled on Dan-yis behalf.
And, I hope he tells her sooner rather than later that he works from home so he's making a point to come to work with her. Because on the one hand--awww look at him making time for the girl he likes, but on that other hand I found it lowkey ---creepy isn't the word (I dont think Seo-joon is creepy) but, it sent an unpleasant shiver down the spine when Seo-Joon asked Eun-ho not to tell her.
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modestgoddess
February 22, 2019 at 9:58 AM
Dinner 5 days a week does seem excessive.
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8 seoul_searcher
February 20, 2019 at 4:11 PM
I loved this episode a lot and this show in general which has great side stories that makes me invested. As much as I love the main twos relationship I realised that this show would have been great if they were just really good friends because to me their chemistry lies there ‘two best friends who look out for each other’ but of course this is dramaland and every relationship needs to be romantic.
The girls night out was definitely a fun surprise because I didn’t expect director Go. to be so cool and the three of them to bond and I hope it wasn’t a one time thing.
Seo Joon and Hae Rin definitely have chemistry which I didn’t expect because I didn’t even think they would interact as normal second leads dont even cross paths or have a 2 minute interaction so I doubt they would end up together since they seem too deep in with their own crushes.
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9 SnarkyJellyfish
February 20, 2019 at 4:15 PM
Here's the thing for me with Director Ko and the way she treats Dan-yi: she's never wrong in her explanations for why she does or says the things she does that are misinterpreted, but the way she goes about in doing them are condescending an unnecessarily mean. Like, when she pointed out that there were a lot of Chinese characters in the book, she didn't have to do it the way she did. Or when she wanted Dan-yi's name off the book; I agree, Dan-yi should not get marketing credit, however, she can be credited with the marketing concept (though even that's not necessary). My point is, there are nicer ways to get the same messages across. Even if she has no desire to mentor Dan-yi -- which is fine -- she doesn't have to go out of her way to belittle her, which is what I feel she does.
And I get it, she's in a high position because she worked her ass off and didn't let anything hold her back. But one thing I've learned is that the best superiors and the ones who are most effective are the ones who give constructive criticism instead of just being critical without feedback for how to improve.
However, I will say this: I think having her be this way is important for Dan-yi's development. Dan-yi is clearly a very smart and capable woman who grabs at any opportunity she sees, and I really admire that about her. But also, having her in an environment where one of her superiors looks down on her is a way to keep her grounded and humble. She hasn't worked as long or as hard as Director Ko and she needs to know that while it's good to push herself, she also has to respect her superiors.
I think they are two sides of the same coin, but I also think that both women thought they were in a situations where they had to choose family or work without realizing that they could have both. I think Yeong-ah is that perspective -- the one who chose to have both. And it worked for her. She just married the wrong man, and that's not her fault entirely. It's not her family or her work that led to the end of her marriage, and I love that. We always see women whose marriages end because they had to choose, and here it was just that her husband is not good at being a husband.
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kathia
February 20, 2019 at 4:52 PM
I agree on the Director Ko part. Even if I felt sad with her story too, that doesn't erase how she mistreated Dan-yi before. Director Ko said some correct things but the "way" she said it was questionable. She could say in a more polite and respectable way.
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Ally
February 20, 2019 at 5:02 PM
She’s a bitch, but that’s okay with me. I know powerful women just like her, rough around the edges, but when you get to know them, they are fiercely loyal and will die for you when they finally become friends with you. I hope that’s where they are going with Ms. Go.
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SnarkyJellyfish
February 20, 2019 at 5:21 PM
Oh, I love her and I agree that she's clearly being set up to become an awesome friend. But there's a difference between being a boss bitch and being spitefully bitchy. And at present she's the latter. My issue is that she specifically singles out Dan-yi.
I just think that anyone in a superior's position who goes out of their way to put down or diminish the work of those below them is problematic. I agree that Dan-yi was getting too much credit for the marketing, but that doesn't mean she has to put it like that in front of everyone. There are much better ways to do it.
And we know that she can be good at this because clearly she has Eun-ho and Hae-rin's respect and I don't think it's purely because of the work she churns out. I think that if she and Dan-yi were colleagues of equal positions that they would have a healthy rivalry but also work well together.
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beantown
February 21, 2019 at 5:54 AM
We have an unfair advantage over Director Go; we know Dan-yi has the education and ability to do the stretch work she keeps trying to take on, where for Director Go, Dan-yi is a new employee who keeps stepping wa-a-a-ay outside of her responsibilities.
It will be interesting to see how the show handles this.
SnarkyJellyfish
February 21, 2019 at 6:11 AM
@beantown it still doesn't mean she has the right to belittle Dan-yi in front of others. Regardless of Dan-yi's education and background, she still seems to go out of her way to find ways to put her down e.g. the chinese character translation - she could've asked instead of simply assuming Dan-yi didn't know. It's the simple difference between how she frames things.
I don't dislike Director Ko, I understand her as a character. She's a wonderfully complex character and I love her. But people like her need to be called out for putting down others. She can be a good boss without being condescending. She can - and should - make sure Dan-yi knows her place, but she can do it better is my point. Why embarrass her in front of everyone? What good does that do anyone?
beantown
February 21, 2019 at 7:53 AM
@snarkyjellyfish Director Ko (weirdly my autocorrect keeps wanting to say "No" too!) isn't belittling Dan-yi, rather, she's asking valid questions as director. She is right in not assuming a base of knowledge in support staff. This would be comparable to a physician assuming his janitor is familiar with medical jargon....not.
If she was overly critical of her work in task support, then that would be different. Also in her defense, when Dan-yi originally approached her about crossing boundaries, she was clearly against it, but Dan-yi is choosing to not listen. This also would add to the directors snarkiness!
In fairness, I've done this in RL (taken a role that was far below my abilities/credentials) and I wasn't alone in this. I would be at fault if I overstepped my bounds and did what I was capable of, rather than what I was hired for.
Ally
February 21, 2019 at 8:13 AM
She’s not the perfect boss by any means, and so she behaves very human-ly. I get this. She definitely has insecurities which manifests themselves in her quips to Dani. I agree with beantown in that potentially she’s not belittling Dani either, just asking her valid questions. I wish I knew Korean to see the language and inflections when she asked about the Chinese characters. Because it just could be lost in translation.
DHMRS
February 21, 2019 at 9:12 AM
Regarding the issue of Dani being given credit as marketing person in the book, Director Ko did not put it like that in front of everyone. She quietly requested that the people in charge of that issue come see her in her office and there she privately told them what they needed to do. When EunHo asked, she explained why.
The person who made it public was Hae-rin, who did not go straight to Dan-i and explain what was happening and why- *she* made a public phone call the entire office could overhear and let Doni find out that way. Director Ko handled it entirely privately and with Dani's direct supervisor, which was the right way to do it.
It's also not remotely insulting or demeaning to assume a person who stopped schooling at high school graduation wouldn't know a lot of Chinese characters. It's a very reasonable assumption. The rest of the office doesn't look down, or away, as they would if Dir. Ko's comment was rude or demeaning. They look like they also see that could possibly be a problem and they look directly at Dani to see her response (they would not do this if they felt she was being humiliated).
I think it's also possible that the manuscript itself isn't necessary expected to be full of Chinese characters- not that it's surprising,b ut it's not a given. So Director Ko is just doing her job and spotting a possible issue and mentioning it.
So far, the only thing I really fault her for is lazily using the paper Dani handed her (the one with the heart on it) to turn in at the meeting instead of her own version (and I'm still not sure she really had her own version).
SnarkyJellyfish
February 21, 2019 at 9:59 AM
@beantown my issue is that the way Dir. Ko goes about doing things is problematic, not the actual things themselves. I don't actually think she's wrong in pointing out Dan-yi's overstepping or questioning whether she knows chinese characters. I don't even think she needs to encourage it in any way. I do think she needs to stop being harsher on her in ways she doesn't seem to do to anyone else.
I say this as someone who loves Dir. Ko. She's obviously great at her job and a lot of this is her insecurity manifesting and that's her arc. She's an awesome female character to have because she shows the complexity of being an older woman who chose work over family. But I can still call her out for being problematic in the way she does things.
Maybe that's the Dir Ko in me having high expectations of someone like her, but that's who I am. I get that she's rough around the edges, but if I knew someone like that I'd probably call them out for this kind of stuff.
thatstp
February 21, 2019 at 10:47 AM
Everyone keeps saying DanI is "overstepping her bounds" but how? I think it would be overstepping if she wasn't doing the job she was hired to do. Since she is handling her job duties with no problem, aren't the extra things she's doing considered initiative? One does not prevent her from doing the other. It is in this way I find Ko to be condescending. She should never assume anything about anyone. DanI was a stay at home mom with a 10-12 yr old kid. Maybe she helped her kid study Chinese characters. (Of course we know the real reason) Again, Ko's insecurities and pettiness comes out because of her own choices and what she deemed to be not worthwhile. If Ko was being as fair as some think, she wouldn't have been so upset about DanI's idea being used.
Hopefully, now that she's gotten to know DanI better she won't be so petty and will be a better boss.
SnarkyJellyfish
February 21, 2019 at 10:59 AM
@thatstp this is exactly what I'm getting at. At this point, Dir. Ko knows Dan-yi is more than capable of doing her job and trying new things. Yet she still feels the need to push Dan-yi down. That bothers me because a good boss would encourage a worker who is insightful, takes initiative, and capable to be better. I agree, it was risky for Dan-yi to put in a proposal but she didn't let it interfere with her assigned work.
In regard to her overstepping, there is something problematic about subordinates taking on tasks that could potentially be beyond their ability because if things go wrong the whole company could be effected and it creates more work for superiors. But preventing her from having ideas or assuming she can't do a task she was assigned irritates me because it was just spiteful.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
February 21, 2019 at 11:30 AM
I tend to agree that she does seem to be singling Dani out and that she could at least be a little more diplomatic. I wasn't bothered by the marketing renaming, but I was troubled by the way she's making Dani run errands that (we now know) a courier usually runs. I get that she wants to keep everyone on task (and that that's part of her job), but i also dislike it when employers won't let their employees stretch out a little and grow (Chinese characters thing). All that being said: I *really do like* Ko. I was beyond thrilled to find out that she was the Leopard. i find her utterly fascinating. I'm looking forward to seeing if and how things change after their night out. I'm also hoping all of these female characters are given growth-trajectories and aren't just static characters.
SnarkyJellyfish
February 21, 2019 at 1:51 PM
Dir. Ko is flawed, as any person is, but by pointing out these flaws I don't mean to diminish her as a great character in any way. I find her behavior to be troubling when it comes to Dan-yi because it is very focused oh holding her back and making her do unnecessary work (running errands that they contract out and personal errands) rather than allowing her to grow. That is troubling behavior in any supervisor. It's important to recognize bad behavior and call it out. I know that ultimately she will be in Dan-yi's court and kick ass but I think that overlooking her actions in the present doesn't make them go away.
tl;dr: It's OK to like problematic characters.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
February 21, 2019 at 2:20 PM
It's 👏OK 👏to👏 like 👏problematic 👏characters.👏
yes!
CS
February 23, 2019 at 12:08 PM
Yes, two sides of the same coin. I thought that the moment Dir. Ko admitted that she ran away from her wedding. Dan-yi almost ran away from hers, and Dir. Ko is a look at where career-wise Dan-yi could be if she'd actually followed thru and run away.
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10 kdragon
February 20, 2019 at 4:19 PM
I gasped too!.. that she wasn't asleep and that EH finally confessed! 😮
I agree with most of what you said, except I think EH will be VERY open about his feelings from here on out. From when he kidded DY about suddenly being attractive/seeing him as a man in the snow, his face suddenly became relaxed and open!
The highlights for me were the start, the middle and the end, but everything in the middle (SJ and HR, the background story of the divorce, etc.) still kept me entertained.
The start: EH and his attempts to tell DY how he feels. 😭 My heart literally aches everytime EH is rebuffed by DY. Is it LJS's face? His voice? It's just a few lines but I feel for him. 😩
The middle: The club, Gangnam Leopard and the girls' heart to heart! LOVED it, so raw, so unexpected but still welcome! At the start of the drama, I didn't really see how these 2 women (exc DY) will fit in, but now I know. 👍
The end: 😍 EH maybe, finally decided to throw caution to the wind and tell DY. SO excited (at the same time scared hahaha) on how their story will playout.
Side note: I suspect we will not have bitches or villains in the story (Dir Go and SJ redeemed themselves), no melodramatic storylines (crossed fingers), just scenes and relevations that will make us think and reflect... which is what this drama has been doing so far. Now I get what why some call it a "healing" drama.
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kdragon
February 20, 2019 at 4:24 PM
(Wish they have an "edit button" for the OC people like me!)
... I meant everything in "between".
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kaycee
February 20, 2019 at 8:59 PM
I think EH will be open about this feeling as well! He's been so in-tune with where his heart lies and the poor guy's been waiting for the right moment all along. Now that it's out there, I hope he doesn't chicken out and brush off that super sweet poetic confession :D
The fact that Dan-Yi wasn't asleep totally caught me by surprise. Makes me wonder if she would let EH kiss her ...
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11 kathia
February 20, 2019 at 4:27 PM
Great episode. I was happy when Dan-yi started to realize how manly Eun-ho became. Also, she was not stupid and I love her character for her wise conscience, now she will find out for real that Eun-ho likes her. I bet she will be confused since she already felt some butterflies before finding out.
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12 JiaYou
February 20, 2019 at 4:35 PM
I think I'm crazy because I actually cried during the ladies drunken night. I cried for Director Ko. When she said she's all alone, I felt that.
I cried for Yeong-ah. When she was yelling at that shopping center, I sympathized with her. But really, how rude was that shoe salesman!?
I love how the show made me feel for all the characters. I'm already interested on how ALL their story will unravel. An yes, maybe romance was just a bonus to this show (which I think is okay) Kekeke
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thatstp
February 20, 2019 at 10:16 PM
The shoe salesman was extremely rude. It just highlighted how her husband kinda doesn't care. He put up more of a fight to get respect for that poet than he did his wife. Very sad.
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isa: I'm not a serial killer I'm just really passionate about things
February 21, 2019 at 7:44 AM
Oh, I loved that whole entire scene. That shoe salesman was an absolute jerk. Who care how many shoes she asks for the price of--tell her! Or, maybe have the prices on your product if you're going to get snippy whenever someone asks. If you have to eat your dinner on the floor because there isnt enough staff available? Well then buck up buttercup and do it! Or, you can politely ask her to feel comfortable looking around and make a stack of all the shoes she wants to know the price and size of so you can go and do it all at once, you butt.
No, that wasn't the point. How awful for her, though. But, how tough and brave is she? She realized that she wanted and needed someone on her side and when she understood that that person, for whatever reason was not her husband? She left. I dont know if I have that sort of courage in me.
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thatstp
February 21, 2019 at 10:21 AM
Right?! I love her. It is hard to leave under worse circumstances but to leave when there is love there (kids, extended family) had to be rough. Which would explain her breakdowns.
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13 mysterious
February 20, 2019 at 4:36 PM
This episode was so funny and sad at the same time. Dan-yi cursing and sprawled on the floor was great. The Gangnam Leopard, fabulous (and I have a new and much appreciated understanding of Dir. Ko). Yeong-ah and Dir. Ko offering to go with Dan-yi to kick her ex in the nuts, epic. Yeong-ah/Ji-jong's story about the end of their marriage, heartbreaking. I have actually seen a marriage like theirs firsthand and have seen the pain a wife has when her husband takes everyones' side but hers. The couple I know stayed together for 40+ years but it took a toll on the wife.
And I am totally on board with Couple B because they have great chemistry and even the same taste in desserts. I'm not surprised Eun-ho knows about the letters because he is far more perceptive than Dan-yi but at the same time he doesn't want to rock the boat with a trusted colleague.
Seo-joon is really pinging my "half-brother" radar. And did anyone else notice the passcode to his secret roon was 0423. There's that infamous April 23 again. It will be interesting to see exactly where all this goes. We know Eun-ho's connection to Author Kang, but was is Seo-joon's? And where is Author Kang?
I am so glad to see Dan-yi coming into her own as Dan-yi. Not as a wife, a mother, a noona, but as a woman and a person, distinct and individual. And I want more of those three ladies together because they are awesome.
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rainy9
February 20, 2019 at 10:42 PM
i dont know why SJ has chosen 0423 as his passcode, but in the early episode in the udon resto he doesnt seem to know its hidden meaning to Kang author, regarding his academic background & interests in Kang author.
0423, maybe someone's day of birth & death, idk?
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Ally
February 21, 2019 at 8:05 AM
It’s the actual title of that author Kang’s final book. So, I assume that since he’s so obsessed with finding out what happened to him, he used the final book title as his password.
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korfan
February 21, 2019 at 2:46 AM
I also noticed the door passcode (it was certainly filmed in a way for the viewer to definitely see it, wasn't it?). Hopefully we will get some more details about the April 23 significance.
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another woodalchi nicole recruit
February 21, 2019 at 8:08 AM
it's the title of author Kang's last book and IIRC the theory is that Kang chose that title because its also the date (4/23) that two famous authors died...shakespeare was one, i cant remember who the other one was, though. to me it shows that SJ is truly obsessed with author Kang and his disappearance---and maybe knows a lot more than we initially thought?
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Vespertyne29
March 20, 2019 at 11:43 AM
Cervantes is the other author. The death date recorded for both Shakespeare and Cervantes is April 23, 1616.
Cervantes actually died ten days earlier than Shakespeare, but because England used the Julian calendar, while Spain had already adopted the Gregorian calendar, the recorded date is the same.
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another woodalchi nicole recruit
March 20, 2019 at 7:21 PM
i love this kind of information!!!!! thanks vesper 💕
14 Ally
February 20, 2019 at 4:44 PM
They’re never asleep. I never thought she was asleep. I’m really mindlessly watching this now. It’s so predictable and I’m not at all invested in the author who has disappeared. Not to say I’m not enjoying the couples. I think they’re adorable! All of them. Even the side ones. I’m invested in Ms. Go’s story too. I’m really interested to see if the dynamic changes at work as a result of the night out clubbing.
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another woodalchi nicole recruit
February 20, 2019 at 7:49 PM
They’re 👏 never 👏 asleep
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isa: I'm not a serial killer I'm just really passionate about things
February 21, 2019 at 7:47 AM
I didnt think she was asleep either---but I didnt think it would be a plot point so soon! I thought next ep it would be hinted at that she wasnt asleep and that it would be just vague enough for us to wonder if maybe she really had been asleep (that would have been the real plot twist). But when the following scene started with her voicing over---I wasnt asleep. I did a double take.
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Ally
February 21, 2019 at 7:58 AM
That was a quick turn around. Much faster than usual. But we are already halfway done and we haven’t gotten to the dating cuteness, the angst when the company finds out they’re living together, the second leads trying to break them up, noble idiocy (already had the truck of doom), what about the invisible kid, the father/awol writer, still a lot to cover in the remaining 8 eps.
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15 LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
February 20, 2019 at 4:53 PM
The funny thing about reading all these comments is that I'm like, "Oh yeah, that was great! That scene was well done. I really like what they're doing with x character".
In pieces, this episode was good.
But none of it meshes - none of it. When I say the show is three good Indie films smashed together, I mean it. Those three films look great. But mix them all together and you get some kind of televisual bibimbap but with ingredients that don't work together. Like, I love bananas but they should be eaten by themselves not thrown into a rice dish and stirred. And you have Dani in all three of these films and she's not so much a character but just an avatar for the writer to pop up and tell us how we're supposed to be feeling about something.
This metaphor got away from me. I'm going to leave now.
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Ally
February 20, 2019 at 5:00 PM
I’m going to disagree with you and bananas in a rice dish. One of my family’s comfort foods is white rice with carmelized pork and cut bananas. Yum!
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
February 20, 2019 at 5:01 PM
Weirdo :-)
Also, OF COURSE we have a different opinion on food. But if you tell me pineapple belongs in anything savoury, I'll do one of my patented table flips.
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egads aka Dame Maggie
February 20, 2019 at 5:07 PM
I’ll help you.
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Ally
February 20, 2019 at 6:43 PM
Get ready to flip your table, because pineapples are a long staple in Vietnamese savory dishes. Canh Chua is another comfort dish in our house and we put tons of pineapples in it; there’s usually fish and tomatoes, bean sprouts, and other vegetables in it as well. If you haven’t tried it, you must the next time your at a Viet restaurant. Also, there’s a spring roll dip made with crushed pineapples and demented shrimp paste (mouth watering yet?) that’s an acquired taste but amazing. We also indulge in the Canadian bacon with pineapple pizza as our pizza of choice. How many tables was that?
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Ally
February 20, 2019 at 6:44 PM
*fremented, not demented, although you’re probably wondering if I’ve crossed over to that side with this comment. 😅
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
February 20, 2019 at 6:44 PM
Pineapple on pizza flipped all the tables. Everything after that was white noise.
Maq
February 20, 2019 at 6:57 PM
Very strange to me. My palate is thoroughly Pakistani, which means there's a iron wall between savoury dishes (which are usually spiced to the point of burning the flesh off your tongue) and sweet food (although when we do have sweets, we want them to be diabetes-inducing; see, e.g., gulab jamun, barfi, or jalebi).
greenfields
February 20, 2019 at 7:59 PM
We have discussed pineapple on pizza before and it is yum!
Ally
February 21, 2019 at 4:17 AM
Here’s a recipe for the former dish. It’s actually something I can make! https://youtu.be/lyS9ujxkwNI
DHMRS
February 21, 2019 at 8:34 AM
Pineapple fried rice, served in half of a hollowed out pineapple, was one of my favourite dishes to order when we lived in the Philippines.
I also really enjoy this drama. It's cute, it's fun, it's got great actors and fun dialogue, and some poignant commentary on life and literature.
I've made it a late New Year's Rez to read more poetry every day because of it.
And I'll have to make my own pineapple fried rice since we moved to another country 2 mos ago.
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egads aka Dame Maggie
February 20, 2019 at 5:06 PM
Oh wow, Ally no no no. Bananas and rice? With meat? Nope.
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
February 20, 2019 at 5:08 PM
Egads, my stoic companion, is here to join the cause. Who else will join us?
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another woodalchi nicole recruit
February 20, 2019 at 7:50 PM
this thread just made my night. 😂
bbstl 🧹
February 20, 2019 at 11:32 PM
I'm going to have to sign up for anything of @ally-le's with the demented shrimp paste, at least once. Or even the fremented kind.
greenfields
February 20, 2019 at 7:56 PM
This is a staple of certain dishes from the Southern parts of India as well. I can't speak for the meat but bananas go very well with rice & coconut. 🤔
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
February 20, 2019 at 9:02 PM
I find it hilarious that this is the comment getting the most traction.
But I was talking about putting banana in bibimbap. Bananas are nice but should not be in bibimbap.
But banana, rice and coconut - especially if it's coconut milk - yum.
greenfields
February 20, 2019 at 9:36 PM
We all love our food chingu :D
latebloomer
February 20, 2019 at 5:13 PM
I get it that people have different taste but I really don't understand where you are coming from with the three indie films. Eun-ho and Dan-yi are at the center of the story, and their community is Gyeoroo. Everyone else in the show except Dan-yi's ex and daughter are related through the Gyeoroo community: bosses, employees, authors, designers. What other film do they belong to?
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
February 20, 2019 at 5:21 PM
Oh yeah, mileage varies.
When I say 'three films', I mean there's a film about a single mother in her 30s trying to recreate her life after a divorce, one about a quirky publishing house and the clash between idealism and reality of publishing, and one Sex and the City style one about 30-something women dealing with life and love. And, to me, all three of those films look great. But for me they don't mesh if you try to tell all of those stories at once.
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hoaxing
February 20, 2019 at 5:24 PM
Stop watching dude. Find something that interest you
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greenfields
February 20, 2019 at 7:58 PM
Keep watching dude! I love your savage comments on the dramas you dislike but watch. ^^
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
February 20, 2019 at 9:06 PM
@greenfields
I thought I was being not very savage. I thought I was just expanding on 'meh'.
I was actually going to drop but comments like Mr Anonymous activate my contrary side. I now feel like watching the whole thing and steadily losing my mind in the comments section for the next month. Sounds like fun.
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greenfields
February 20, 2019 at 9:38 PM
YAY for the watching!
Yeah - you're actually not as savage as usual. :D This is true. But since its the recap and not your fanwall or rabbit, that's only to be expected I guess.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
February 21, 2019 at 8:16 AM
fwiw i didn't think you were savage at all. you literally said you *liked* the pieces of the show a lot but that it just wasn't quite working for you. i was surprised to see the kicking back against that. that being said: it's always a treat to get your comments on shows i'm watching, so shout-out to mr anon for poking the bear ;)
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 24, 2019 at 3:05 PM
*is encouraged by this thread to also remain savage and contrary and write more 4000 word essays on shows I don't like* thank you @greenfields
16 UrsulaX
February 20, 2019 at 5:21 PM
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17 UrsulaX
February 20, 2019 at 5:22 PM
Despite my initial reservations about this show after the first episode, I am glad other viewers here told me to keep watching. I’ve finally caught up, and I’ve found this drama to be surprisingly enjoyable. I was worried that we were going to be subjected to melodramatic office hardships, but this ended up being much more lighthearted fare. For me, that’s not a bad thing, since I’m enjoying following the side characters as much as the main couple. I find everyone likable. I can understand the mixed reactions from commenters here, though. I think this show is basically a lightweight 9 End 2 Outs, which was also about two thirty-something friends living together and gradually becoming more. That drama felt more real and explored their relationship and work struggles in greater depth. I suspect disappointed viewers are searching for something of equal substance with this series, but I feel there is enough charm here to keep me interested.
I liked the ladies’ night out, the fake romance between the office newbies, and the rapport between the CEO, poetry nut, and Eun-ho. The romances have potential as long as the creators continue to give us the right balance of levity and angst. I admit that I’m a little skeptical, since there is not a lot of dramatic tension, and attempts at humor, whimsy, and insight have been hit or miss (for me, anyway). I often laugh, but I dislike when a character becomes a caricature (e.g., drunk Dan-yi, shocked Seo-joon, and jealous Eun-ho). This drama seems to prioritize rom-com magic over slice-of-life authenticity, so it will ultimately be a question of whether the clichés continue to work. I’m also interested to see where this drama is going thematically. I’ve had mixed feelings about the show’s messages so far. Part of me wants a believable portrait of a single mother starting over in love and work. For me, this would entail greater exploration of Dan-yi’s shortcomings in both areas. It would be nice if Eun-ho’s feelings are examined in a more adult way, too (as potentially naïve or more complex than they initially seem). K-drama fantasies tend to romanticize enduring infatuation, but a crush is different from an enduring relationship. If we’re going the romantic route, I wouldn’t mind seeing the characters struggle a bit with the transition.
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18 Rachel2
February 20, 2019 at 6:23 PM
I love this episode, especially the clubbing scene and the aftermath at Director Ko's house. The scenes between Ji-hong and Yeong-ah were painfully realistic and sad. I am a sucker for all of this writer's dramas, and this one is very similar to the others in theme and set-up. The only thing I don't like about it is Lee Jong-Suk. I've never understood the appeal. But the way the character is written makes me like him more.
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19 Maq
February 20, 2019 at 6:49 PM
Am I the only one who was extremely uncomfortable with the fact that he seemed intent on kissing her while she was asleep? Now granted Dan-yi might have some (okay, a lot of) unexpressed, vaguely romantic feelings for Eun-ho, but there's no way he knew that. He seems like a creep yet again, at least to me.
I'm also kind of waiting for some character development for Dan-yi. It seems like she's not growing. She's going through hardships and navigating her way through the morass that is her workplace, but it seems like she's still the same person she was when she joined the company. To put it differently, it seems like these hardships and tribulations she's experiencing are just a vehicle to showcase how great she already was, rather than being leveraged to show how she changes. But maybe I'm in the minority on this count as well.
For me, the big plus about this episode was the bonding between the women. I'm starting to respect Director Ko, even though I still think she's been unnecessarily hard on Dan-yi. The stuff surrounding the divorce particularly hit me hard; it's a good reminder that sometimes there's nobody really at fault when relationships break-down, and that altruism or kindness or whatever can actually be perversely harmful.
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kdragon
February 20, 2019 at 8:33 PM
If you think about it, it was a bit creepy, but this is dramaland where things happen to drive the story.
There are a lot of "creepy" scenes in dramas if they do happen in real life. But we usually view the scenes based on what we know about the story or what we wish to happen. So we ignore it, but wouldn't really wish them to happen in real life. 😂
But to be fair, EH may have realized he shouldn't do what he was planning to do (see his expression after he saw the text). What he did and maybe what he felt, may have prompted him to confess. Well, atleast that's how I saw it.
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Maq
February 21, 2019 at 1:35 AM
It's to his credit that he felt contrition afterwards, but I'm still kinda mad he tried it. I get that this is a drama and that unrealistic things happen, but I think there are degrees with this sort of thing. There are unrealistic things which are innocuous, unrealistic things which are stupid and dumb, and unrealistic things which are a bit upsetting but not horrible. Kissing somebody whom you've had a purely platonic relationship with for 20 years is a bit too close to the line. I wont drop the show just because of this, but I do think far less of this character and of this episode for doing something like this. It's a strike against the drama.
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kdragon
February 21, 2019 at 1:53 AM
But, but, EH/LJS is so cute... but I get your point. 🙂
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UrsulaX
February 21, 2019 at 1:57 AM
If we discuss creepy stuff, though, it's actually probably a bit creepy that he used to show up at her house when he was drunk. That is technically stalking. Then again, she was actually squatting at his house without him knowing, so maybe they're both creeps. Ha ha.
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Maq
February 21, 2019 at 11:48 AM
Hmm, I'm not sure. I can see this one. It's something that Dan-yi, assuming she had only friendly feelings for him, probably would not object to; if anything, she would probably object to the fact that he didn't actually come in (I think).
UrsulaX
February 21, 2019 at 4:18 PM
I think she would object to him hearing her fight with her husband and crying alone outside. She didn't share her struggles with him after they divorced, so I don't think she wanted him to see her like that. She seems to value her privacy. Similarly, he was disconcerted to know his maid was commenting on the bra in his laundry, showering, and eating his food. Of course, he didn't know it was Dan-yi, but he may not have wanted her to see the bra. The kiss is slightly different, but all three issues involve imposing on someone's privacy and personal space without that person's consent. Personally, I wouldn't want someone kissing me while I was asleep, watching my private moments at home without my knowledge, or using my house and belongings without my consent (while passing judgment on my love life).
OldLawyer
February 20, 2019 at 9:19 PM
I agree that in real life the almost kiss with a sleeping Dan-yi would be a little creepy. But in this drama it was a way of showing the strength of Eunho's feelings for Dan-yi- including the strength of his physical attraction to her.
Please allow me to respectfully disagree about the 'no fault' in the divorce. Ji-Hong himself acknowledges his responsibility to his friends out on the fishing pier. He may need a little longer to truly grasp what he needs to know but the simple principle is this: Your spouse has the highest priority over everyone else. You and she (or he and you) have each other's back. It is as simple as that.
You are absolutely right in saying that it was Ji-Hong's altruism that caused him to lose sight of his priorities. That is why his ex-wife actually defends him to others- she knows that he is a very good person. She was simply tired of coming in second to every worthy cause that he championed.
The good news for them is that he has 8 episodes to learn this and take action on this principle. We may see a happy re-union. Or we may not. Either way this story is not done yet.
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Maq
February 21, 2019 at 1:30 AM
Agreed that spouse takes priority. But I don't know that I would call being too kind a "fault" per se.
I think I'm just not comfortable with the almost-kiss and what it says about Eun-ho's character. Sure, it shows he feels very strongly about Dan-yi. But it also shows a disregard for her agency, for her ability to choose and consent. At the time of the almost-kiss, he thought she liked Seo-jun (I think he still thinks this?) and had no reason to think she would want him to kiss her. Any way I try to rationalize his behaviour seems contrived.
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DHMRS
February 21, 2019 at 8:39 AM
Every quality has its defects on the flip side if taken too far.
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isa: I'm not a serial killer I'm just really passionate about things
February 21, 2019 at 8:05 AM
Dramaland does all sorts of nonsense and expects us to see the romance and not the creepy. To argue whether or not it actually is creepy I think would be akin to arguing with a teenager over whether or not Edward breaking into Bellas house to watch her sleep is creepy. We all know what the answer is. But it can be hard to see. Don't look to close as I'm not sure that actually holds up without making all of the viewers Twilight reading teenagers.
Anyway, I will say, that I don't think he seemed intent on kissing her. This is something that seems to happen at least once in dramas. The object of affection falls asleep and the one already affected takes the opportunity to invade their personal space and trace noses, eye shapes and eyebrows, examin lips up close and personal and then slowly back away with trembling hands at the powerful extent of their emotions and attraction.
I dont know if Eun-ho really would have kissed her in that moment. He may have put his face really close to hers and closed his eyes to fully imagine what it will be like when it really does happen and then pulled away. Or maybe he would have stolen the kiss. Or maybe Dan-yi would have popped her eyes open at that moment and been all...'sup?
All of that to say....yeah. I dont think you were supposed to notice the creepy. We're supposed to notice the tension, and the desire. And then we're supposed to wonder if it was all one sided as she wasn't asleep and could have shoved him away at any time.
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Ally
February 21, 2019 at 8:16 AM
This.
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Vespertyne29
March 20, 2019 at 11:58 AM
Yep. That.
I really roll my eyes at all the moralizing on non-issues like this ina drama. I can’t think of a single drama in which a scene like this ended up with the guy actually kidding the girl on the lips (possibly the forehead, but I really don’t even recall that.). I actually dislike the boy-grabs-girl-by-the-wrist-and-drags-her-off-with-him” scenario the most distasteful, but it’s such a staple in k and c dramas that I just shrug.
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Vespertyne29
March 20, 2019 at 12:45 PM
Darn it, I really need an edit button.
kdragon
February 22, 2019 at 11:48 AM
> Or maybe Dan-yi would have popped her eyes open at that moment and been all...'sup?
This wouldv'e been so hilarious! 🤣 and with how DY has been written so far, wouldn't be surprised hehehe
I was really surprised how funny LNY is in this drama. My favorite "funny" DY was during their drinking session when she popped the bottle cap and flashed a "V" sign at EH 😂😂😂
But at the same time, we cry and sympathize with her in her most trying times. I can see why she is such a respected actress.
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20 Mich
February 20, 2019 at 7:09 PM
oh help....... how is this love confession gonna tide through another 8 episodes >.< i hope the writers have it all planned out and not make it too long and drawn out, or too rushed! the side stories were certainly interesting, and glad we got to learn more about Gyeoroo's other personnel and their history (though mostly heartwrenching ones).
and when Eun-ho wrestled Dan-i down at the start of ep 8... ermagahd. boy's gotta let out all those surpressed feelings! (it must have hurt too when he skidded on the floor after discovering a drunk Dan-i. but LJS was quite a trooper to keep going)
locations:
Royal Saloon [로얄싸롱] (ep 8): https://koreandramaland.com/listings/royal-saloon/
i-Style Cafe (ep 8): https://koreandramaland.com/listings/i-style-cafe/
more at http://koreandramaland.com/jobs/?search_keywords=%22romance+is+a+bonus+book%22&submit= :)
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OldLawyer
February 20, 2019 at 8:57 PM
The reason why the love confession and Dan-yi's question at the end are not a dramatic problem is because this is a show with many love stories. We are barely started on Ji Seo-joon and Hae-rin's story, the 'fake dating' relationship between Hoon and Ji-yul has just started to move forward, we have the Divorced Office Couple story (where the ex-husband really just has to learn just one thing to get back together with an ex-wife who still very much cares about him). And what about Director Ko? With this many threads to weave together 8 episodes may not really be enough.
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Mich
February 20, 2019 at 11:02 PM
indeed! now that you've laid it out... seems like this show has more branches than the average K-drama tree. o.O
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beantown
February 21, 2019 at 5:33 AM
I am interested in seeing how they reconcile Dan-yi's past work life with her present at the publishing firm..... and will there be repercussions?
Bottom line is she was not honest in her application.
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OldLawyer
February 21, 2019 at 7:21 AM
Yes, I do not .
Yes, I do not think that we are done with that story. The issue of the problem of a housewife re-entering the workforce- and her need to do so- was raised in the first two episodes. It is certainly true that that she lied. But it is also true that she faced tremendous prejudice as well. I do expect to see this become an issue in the second half of the show.
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beantown
February 21, 2019 at 7:59 AM
I agree. Obvi hiding credentials is not the same offense as falsifying. My problem isn't with her doing what she can to get a job, its that she was hired to fill a specific role, and keeps trying to do another. Chaos!
lemoncello
February 20, 2019 at 11:27 PM
Do you have any link of the publication company? I really like the interior, like the old-looking tiles and high doors. They don't look like typical interior buildings in Korea, but they're more European style...
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Mich
February 21, 2019 at 12:02 AM
yes! it is right here: https://koreandramaland.com/listings/forest-of-wisdom-library/ - K-dramaland's fave library, hehe :)
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lemoncello
February 21, 2019 at 12:31 AM
Thank you! :)
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lexyk
February 22, 2019 at 5:26 AM
I liked that her reaction after he wrestled her down was her feeling her heart fluttering and thinking that may be because she hadn't had sex in while, LOL! That was hilarious! And she actually said that she needed to have sex! Loool, I loved that, because it's very rare in kdrama that we see a heroine, a middle-aged heroine nonetheless admit that sex is part of her life.
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Mich
February 22, 2019 at 8:47 AM
that actually is kind of true... she's said it twice so far! and it's an interesting insight into her mind/train of thought too cos she's someone who speaks freely and openly without really considering what she should say/not say to someone. of course, it's a different story in front of superiors ;) (until that drunken girls' night out of course......)
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21 Beverly
February 20, 2019 at 7:51 PM
I loved this ep.
It made me laugh when Danyi decided her fluttering heart was because she'd been celibate too long.
I really like how well Eun ho and Danyi know each other. That he knew what she'd done when drunk and is totally accepting of that side of her.
I also like that Seo-joon left the dating in Danyi's court. They could meet or not. Plans came up for the night so he made his own plans.
Also, I dont feel like my heart will break for him. I think they are both at that stage of interest in each other and a bit giddy that this person finds you attractive and possibly it could turn into something. But it doesnt feel like anyone else would be second place to him or that he is somehow more deserving.
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22 OldLawyer
February 20, 2019 at 8:48 PM
Yes, Director Ko is the Gangnam Leopard.
I loved the split scenes where our two couples- both still not yet truly couples- are looking at the snow. It was wonderfully symbolic foreshadowing.
Abirdword is exactly right in saying that there is no real chemistry between Dan-yi and Ji Seo-Joon. Which is why I am going to very respectfully disagree with Abirdword’s comment about a ‘Consolation Prize’ romance for our second couple. Sometimes a K-drama will break with the usual formula. For example: In ‘Coffee House’ it is the second female lead who ends up with the male lead at the end of the story. It seems to me that these writers are also breaking the mold. Eunho and Dan-yi certainly have a true love story- but it is a completely different one from the normal rom-com story arc: They are two people discovering that they have loved each other very deeply for a very long time. It is actually our second leads who are beginning the regular romcom journey, with fate bringing two strangers together to fall in love and learn to grow together (with a suitable bump in the road).
When Ji Seo-Joon opened the locked door and went into it I felt like jumping up and down and saying See! See! I told you so! Because it was exactly what I had expected. It was his collection of ‘evidence’ regarding Writer Kang. All of our characters have their flaws and quirks. Ji Seo-Joon is NOT some sort of psychopath nor is this an awful development. In fact, the ability to have the kind of focus required to be a great designer comes with a price- that he could also obsess over something. Of course, he may have a very good reason for this obsession if he has reason to believe that Writer Kang is his father. In any case it does not make him evil or dangerous, although it is a bit off-putting. I am guessing that this may be the bump in the road for he and Hae-rin.
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23 Yashashree Jadhav
February 20, 2019 at 9:33 PM
I think this show is somehow working for me. The mindset I am in matches with the tone of the show. I think that is why I am enjoying both this one and Touch Your Heart/Reach of Sincerity.
That said, them turning out to be brothers would be awesome !
Pouty Eun Ho is a hoot and half to watch.
again that said, if they had put in more chemistry between DanI and Seo Joon, I actually like the 2 characters together. They had the meet cute and the follow up to that pretty naturally.
If not for the Eun Ho connection, Seo Joon would be really good for Dani I think.
My heart goes out to the ladies of the hour. Hae Rin for her crush on Eun Ho who is seemingly oblivious (but I think he knows and ignores it which is almost worse!)
Ko for her loneliness with which I resonate.
I hope they get happy endings!
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thatstp
February 20, 2019 at 10:30 PM
EunHo does know about HaeRin's feelings. He knows about the letters which is probably why he keeps telling her not to overstep. Even her mother has told her to stop wasting her time on a man that doesn't like her. Time for HaeRin to move on. Maybe SeoJoon will help her with that. 😉
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OldLawyer
February 20, 2019 at 11:35 PM
In a way Eunho does really like Hae-rin- just not romantically. And with his existing relationship w Dan-yi as a guide he is carefully drawing boundaries so that they can remain friends.
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24 Moonbean
February 21, 2019 at 2:25 AM
Several issues that caused a lot of dsicussions in the early episodes and caused criticism of one lead or the other are now explained. We hear from Dan Yi’s own mouth why she hid her divorce from Eun Ho. We also learn that Eun Ho knew about Hae Rin’s crush all along and was ignoring it. She should have stopped but seeing that she is not getting the message he should have nipped it at the bud. Ignoring isn’t always the best action. I know he was trying not to rock the boat because they work together and are also friends but ignoring and not giving a firm no also gives hope to the deluded admirer.
On the Dan Yi-Seo Joon front her constant talk of Eun Ho when she is with a guy who came to apologize was very telling. I also really hate the “This might be my last opportunity to date someone” reasoning of the older female lead dating any guy who shows interest in her but this is another hallmark sentence of this screenwriter. This must be a Korean sentiment as no age is too old to date in the Western world.
I agree with Eun Ho on the other hand that “If you're still unsure, the answer is no. Dating him won't change that.” She needs to have confidence in herself so that she doesn’t settle with someone just because he is interested in her.
I loved Eun Ho seeing through Seo Joon’s plan of pretending to go to work but not interfering. What’s the point of going to work together if you are both reading books? That’s what you do when you are alone or with someone you are very comfortable with. It’s plain rude when it’s with someone you are supposed to be on a “date” with. I don’t see how it’s any different than playing with your phone. Isn’t the whole point of dating getting to know someone which requires talking? No matter how I look this relationship is so meh for me. I don’t know why Eun Ho couldn’t give her rides and drop her near work (I know they were afraid of getting caught but they could find a way. It makes no sense for her to use public transport).
What a sleazebag Dan Yi’s ex is to complain to Dan Yi about Eun Ho.
Ms Ko’s secret life as clubbing Gangnam Leopard was hilariously unexpected. I wonder if this will be a case of what happens in the club stays in the club. I want them to kick the ex-husband in the nuts together. I am also glad they didn’t play into the stereotypes and made Miss Ko the jilted bitter spinster. She may regret her choice at times but many married people regret as well, so I am glad it was her choice.
I hope there is a logical explanation to Seo Joon’s obsession with writer Kang because it is extremely unhealthy. I don’t like that Seo Joon is signing with the company for Dan Yi or making it look like that (honestly I think he is doing it for author Kang but deceiving Dan Yi and maybe even himself).
Ms Seo’s reason for divorce was very poignant and her “the only person on my side” sentiments has implications for Dan Yi and Eun Ho’s relationship. Dan Yi already knows who is the person always on her...
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Moonbean
February 21, 2019 at 3:13 AM
side but not knowing what love is she doesn't recognize it for what it is.
I loved Eun Ho’s Angel wings tshirt.
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isa: I'm not a serial killer I'm just really passionate about things
February 21, 2019 at 8:19 AM
Now, in the real world I agree that no age is too old for dating. But I think, even in the Western world, its not shown on tv to be true. I remember watching Designing Women as a girl and Mary Jo and Charlene discussing an article that Charlene had read in a magazine---a woman over 30 has a better chance of being struck by lightning then getting married ("Lightning Mary Jo! Lightning!") And I dont remember what American show I was watching last week---but the exact same sentiment was said then. I think it has been said in every single tv show that has a woman over the age of 30 in it since that article was written. People expect women to get married in their 20s and stay married. When you're single in your 30s you're a left over and there's something wrong with you. TV told me so.
But, as much as I hate this commuter dating and dinner every day nonsense--(EVERY DAY? ARE YOU SERIOUS, MAN?) I did love their bus date. If they were just sitting next to each other silently reading, I would agree--whats the point? But, she's reading a book that he picked out. they were shown pointing out interesting passages in their respective books and chatting about them. The spoke about their fondness for the music that they were listening to. If they were paying attention in that however long bus ride they should have learned a bit about each other--their sort of sense of humor, their taste in music, their opinions on a whole variety of things. Honestly? that was my dream date right there.
If the buses around here weren't so gross. They constantly smell like urine and vomit. And the seats are way to small for big butts.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
February 21, 2019 at 9:35 AM
"in the real world I agree that no age is too old for dating"
After a certain age its hard to connect with people. Its hard to make new friends. Your circle gets smaller and finding someone takes longer. Unlike when you are young, you are not going to university or parties or mindlessly socialising. you are spending more time indoors so meeting fewer people.
I think in the society she lives in, she doesn't see too many single mothers have a second shot at love. So she just assumes that.
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Vespertyne29
March 20, 2019 at 7:48 PM
Almost all of my friends are attorneys, and they got married and had children when they were in their 30s. One of my BFFs is engaged for the first time, and she met her fiance when they were in law school (with Kamala Harris!), but just reconnected 2 years ago, after having no contact for many years. So, it happens.
It seems that the people I know got married at two points in their lives; either when they graduated from college, or when they were in their 30s and they wanted children (so biology was the impetus for marriage).
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25 Oto
February 21, 2019 at 2:50 AM
The moon is beautiful. I like it how EH use this to confess to Dani reminding her it was she who told him the stor that it actually meant I love you. How often couples breakup after the initial excitement like SJ in order to try out dating Dani for 3 months would lie going to work together. Why don't be frank that he will send her to work, it is more heart fluttering, lying means more lies to cover original lies. I like the drama for the story of EH n dani. Very often a guy will just move on to other girls if the other party didn't catch his feeling. Although EH did has other girl friends he knows that his heart is still with Dani hence he did not believe in marriage. I can understand he knows haein feeling for him but becos he has not completely able to let go of his feeling for Dani who he will be always his first priority. He likes haein as colleague n does not want to risk any break up to affect their friendship especially in a working environment. i feel the chemistry between haein and sj is so good.
It was also a hilarious episode the 3 ladies hanging out sharing the saddness. Dr ko story was sad as i also thought that way. The thing is, maybe i am weiŕd, i don't feel lonely. The marketing mgr and her husband divorce is sad - lack of connected communications n understanding. He could have said oh my wife really like yr shoes that is why she is asking for the price n touching them. It's ok, we will go to other shop. she sh have told him to side her help him understand what is hurting her. The funny thing is in episode 7 the CEO was scolded by her when actually the CEO is taking her side. I do hope they will reconcile.
I am looking forward to Dani realising her feelings towards EH. Ah the pouting EH is super adorable. The side characters add on to the fun of the drama.
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26 Kurama
February 21, 2019 at 5:47 AM
The BTS video was pretty funny.
I don't like that Eun Ho knows the feeling of Hae RIm for him and ignore them. I mean more than anybody he knows how painful it can be to love someone for a looong time. If he confronted her, it could have been very awkard between them but at least she could turn the page.
I won't say that Seo Ho and and Dani don't have chemistry, it's just they don't really have a lot of scenes together.
For this drama, I don't think I want Dani to fall in love with Eun Ho because she never showed any interest and it would be so sudden. I like their relationship like that. And I would find more healthy that Eun Ho find someone else to love.
I loved the scenes between the 3 club girls :D It was funny and touching.
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Kay
February 21, 2019 at 7:57 AM
Same here, I don't want for Dani to like EunHo, it does seems that she starts having feelings just because she finds out he likes her (like she said, it's more likely because of lack of getting paid, lol). I actually like their current relationship more.
Director To has just become my favorite character. Oh that trademark stuck up face is now hilarious rather than bitchy.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
February 21, 2019 at 9:31 AM
Its established she has never felt 'love' before. She married someone because he was attentive to her and he was fun. I don't think she ever fell in love.
Its an interesting premise - because I can relate to it.
And Eun-Ho might be the only person who can get her to feel love. That's how I see it.
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27 Kyhoi19
February 21, 2019 at 7:22 AM
Another great recap.. I especially identified with this perception:
The dissolution of Yeong-ah’s marriage was so heartbreaking, because it wasn’t about something big, but something small, and that small things was actually foundational. She wanted to feel not alone, like someone had her back, even when life was bad. And Ji-hong was not getting that done. It hurts the best, because there’s no outright cruelty, just casual neglect that destroyed a marriage.
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28 Oto
February 21, 2019 at 8:01 AM
I like how EH handle haein feelings for him without hurting haein n feeling rejection. It's non confrontational. He will point out no crossing the line n they both laugh about it. EH letting haein knows he is living with a woman. And they both had dated others. She knows that he is not loving her back. From the preview it seems that her letter to EH drops - exciting to see what happens next. And it looks like Dani is chicken out - realising EH feeling for her....hahaha...so happening
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29 lexyk
February 21, 2019 at 8:02 AM
Thanks for the recap @abirdword, and great commentary! I really enjoy this drama and cannot wait for the next couple episodes. It's the only drama I am watching at the moment, my weekly happy pill! More than anything I love the ensemble, each side character's story is interesting and I particularly like the balance between hilarious moments with Park Hoon and serious moments like the bonding with the ladies 😍😍😍. I dnt get the negative comments on this but at the end of the day, to each their own: taste really can't be argued on -:))
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30 fab
February 21, 2019 at 8:35 AM
I love this drama, so much of its stories resonate on a personal level.
But they didn't have to go there with Seo-joon... he's quite something. He went from prince charming to red flags really quick. I especially hate that he's so intrusive and pushy towards Dan-i. Before he even asked her on the FIRST date he was already at the entrance of her job. Takes her to a surprise place where they make whatever you ask Them? HE already ordered for her. And now he's forcing her to decide for him whether he should take a job. Dude, grow up.
Not that our resident Male Lead Eunho is any better. At least he proved himself to be a good friend.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
February 21, 2019 at 9:29 AM
yeah, I did not like that he asked her if he should do the book cover design. that was not right. Its your professional decision, why are you mixing work and pleasure.
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Kyhoi19
February 22, 2019 at 5:33 AM
I think SJ character is added mainly to support the plot lines for the main leads therefore his personality was not detailed/played out like others in this drama.
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31 DHMRS
February 21, 2019 at 9:02 AM
I like pretty much all the characters here, and I like the way they interact. I'm hoping for the obvious, that EunHo and Seo are half brothers, or at least cousins or something.
I thought it was interesting when Dir Ko revealed she had run away from her wedding and why, and the look on Dani's face seemed to me to be thinking back on when she also ran away from her wedding- maybe sometimes she wishes she hadn't, but that's kind of a waste of time. As you can see from Dir Ko, being the kind of person who runs away comes with its own problems, and so if she had run away (instead of staying and doing the harder thing, apologizing profusely,explaining why she couldn't go through with it) things would not necessarily be better, only different. And she has a daughter (even if the child is mainly a plot device), and you can't regret your child.
At the workplace I think Director Ko has legitimate points and she's made them, sometimes harshly, but usually fair, and Dani is learning from that, too. She didn't humiliate Dani over the taking her name off the publicity person on the book- she actually asked for the people in charge of that issue to see her privately in her office where she brought that up with the people who needed to fix it privately.
Hae-In or Eun-Ho should have quickly gone to Dani and told her privately what had happened and why, but instead, it was Hae-in who let Dan-i find out by publicly making a phone call the entire office could hear before telling Dan-i.
It was not remotely insulting or demeaning for Dir Ko to publicly mention that the manuscript had a lot of Chinese characters. It's not at all obnoxious to assume a high school graduate with no college wouldn't know a lot of Chinese characters. It's about what sort of exposure one might reasonably be expected to have, and I don't think anybody else in the room saw it as insulting rather than informational. It was a reasonable point to make- the manuscript might not have used a lot of Chinese characters, and most people who stopped school at high school wouldn't be expected to know a lot of Chinese characters.
I kind of thing her taking on all the extra jobs is going to come back to bite her- it kind of has, in a way- she got caught doing her co-worker's job, and so Hae-in assigned all of that job to Dan-i.
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32 fay17
February 21, 2019 at 9:30 AM
'but there is some major chemistry here between Hae-rin and Seo-joon.' IKR! It's funny cause since the moment I saw Hae Rin trying to persuade seo joon into working for their company I started hoping they become a couple, cause otherwise, it would be such a waste of an opportunity. That two such good looking people would be left all by themselves at the end. So I'm just happy that the show is veering towards that.
I am surprised how I am watching the drama for everything except the romance lol. Not that I mind it, but there is so much drama going on in the office, in the lives of the colleagues. And this slice of life vibe is quite relaxing, and by that, I mostly mean the character of Dani. The credit goes to Lee Na Young's voice and her acting. She brings depth into the surrounding she's in, so it gets easier to immerse into the story. I loved the women's night out and their bonding over heartbreaks lol. I haven't seen anything from this writer before so definitely impressed by her range.
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33 Miss Hyde
February 21, 2019 at 11:18 AM
I don’t know why, but I was really laughing-out-loud while watching the “girls” bawl their eyes out. 🤣 WOMEN!
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34 Mxalba
February 21, 2019 at 1:52 PM
I'm about to give up on this show... It's just boring? Which is a shame since I love the main leads.
The show doesn't know what it wants to be yet... We're halfway through the series and I don't see how they are going to develop the love story between the main characters....
I would have preferred if this was a show about middle aged women and their careers and family... The best part of this episode (and this show) was when the three women got drunk and we had a semblance in characterization.
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35 Kdfanz
February 21, 2019 at 4:17 PM
What a great episode! This show continues to surprise me and is thoroughly thoughtful in the handling of every character.
I mean, they revealed the reason why Dani didn’t want to tell Eun Ho about her divorce, that Eun Ho knew about Hae Rin’s feelings all along, that Dani wasn’t asleep, that Hae Rin and Seo Joon has potentially amazing chemistry too....
Like someone commented, I think the scenes in which they showed two couples staring into the snow was an indication of where the relationships would head to. Both snow scenes were so beautifully shot, so picturesque! Esp that of HR and SJ’s.
That confession scene at the end was probably one of the most calming, beautiful confessions I’ve ever seen. Eun Ho’s smile carried so much warmth and depth when he reiterated his love for her and when she asked him if he liked her!!
And I loved how the writer didn’t make Eun Ho confess outright, but subtly instead. I think it was important to show that Dani came to her senses and was the one who caught up on his actions and love for her, instead of Eun Ho just plainly confessing because he was pressured by circumstances. It would have been uncharacteristic of him to do so. After having a one sided love for so long, her noticing his actions is way more satisfying for the viewers, and also debunks people’s constant criticism of her that she is totally clueless when it comes to relationships (though there is some truth in that lol). The fact that she notices now would also give Eun Ho the courage to be more bold, since he had always wanted her to realize how much he cares for her.
And I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one who felt sparks were flying when HR and SJ interacts, ever since their first encounter at the flower shop! Unlike with their crushes where they try so hard or try to impress, they seem so comfortable and at ease with each other, just like how at ease Eun Ho and Dani are together.
Can’t wait to see how those two pairs will continue to grow in their relationships! The chemistry among the whole cast is amazing, and the actors are playing their parts to perfection. It’s been quite awhile since I’ve enjoyed an ensemble this much, and liked every single character in a show, but this show proves that it’s possible.
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OldLawyer
February 21, 2019 at 7:41 PM
Seo-Joon had a 'meet cute' with Dan-yi and, in his loneliness has been trying to make something out of it ever since. We do not get to see how Hae-rin and Eunho met but she also cannot really relax around him- and is also trying to make something out of it. Both are pushing because they think that they should- because they want love and they see an attractive potential partner.
But what you are noticing is that when HR and SJ are with each other there is no walking on eggshells, no trying to impress, no trying to get a reaction out of each other or getting the other to see themselves in a romantic light. Instead they are simply reacting to each other, expressing themselves to each other- including expressions of disapproval, without thinking about it. This is the stuff that real romance is made from.
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lexyk
February 22, 2019 at 3:37 AM
I think the reason Hae rin cannot be as easy as we've seen her with Seo Joon is because Eun ho is her sunbae. I think she mentioned that she was trained by him to become an editor, so they probably have a sunbae-maknae kinda relationship.
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36 ryanglass
February 22, 2019 at 5:11 AM
Aha! So you finally noticed he's a man #now, did you? Well don't feel out his muscles like that! He can't carry you off to his cave and live out his wild and sinister fantasies...yet.
I need this show.
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37 R.D.
February 22, 2019 at 6:19 AM
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38 modestgoddess
February 22, 2019 at 11:13 AM
I'm so happy the three coworkers got to have a ladies night out and bond.
I'm also happy that Danyi is starting to notice Eunho as a man and is now aware of his feelings for her.
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39 Yellowfruit
February 24, 2019 at 12:03 PM
I know I am commenting late, but this episode really reminded me of the drama 'familiar wife'. what separated the couple was not the big things but the small and it was so sad to rewatch a similar variation with the divorced couple.
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40 Champee123
February 24, 2019 at 3:05 PM
looking for the song played while Yeong-ah was sharing about the divorce.. :(
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41 In the Love Maze of Memories
July 7, 2019 at 9:45 PM
THIS IS SO OFF TOPIC BUT I NEED HELP!!
So in the drama, when the 3 girls go to the club and leave, the guy who said they did well but was taken away by his girlfriend (At the club, the ladies file out, though they attract the attention of a young admirer. He’s eventually dragged away by his girlfriend though, ha.").
Is he an actor or like a person in this industry cause he caught my eye and I want to see his other work even if it's a small role.
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