No Gain No Love: Episodes 3-4
by Unit
It’s contract marriage o’clock, and our heroine belatedly realizes she snagged an original luxury item instead of the knock-off she was shopping for. But it’s too late to back out now, and the show must go on!
EPISODES 3-4
The week resumes with Ji-wook’s tuxedo transformation that slackens everyone’s jaws at the wedding shop. Like monitoring spirits — which they embodied all week — Woo-jae and his wife are also present, and while the wife swoons, her husband stews. Woo-jae can’t believe his ex is getting married to a younger and more handsome man, and his jealousy increases when Ji-wook invents a childhood connection love story with Hae-young. Pfft. This groom has watched too many K-dramas. Woo-jae starts working on the math: if Hae-young and Ji-wook are childhood friends, when did they start dating? Is Ji-wook the reason she broke up with me? Did she start dating him immediately after our breakup? But coming from a two-timer, X + Y = itZ none of your business.
Meanwhile, Hae-young is not pleased that her husband-to-be did not inform her of his lethal face card. But maybe this is her wake-up call to start paying more attention to him. Ji-wook, on the other hand, can’t help but remember all Hae-young’s words and actions because he has a crush on her his brain is a “computer” that registers the details of her private life she spills without a care at the convenience store. Okay, genius.
We move on to the last stage of wedding planning: the proposal. Ideally, this should be the first stage, but what does order matter in a fake wedding? Hae-young needs video highlights of their romantic history to be played at the wedding. But maybe what she needs is a psychiatric evaluation, as Ji-wook says. Because who goes around alone with their camera to fake being on dates with their partner? Lol.
Ji-wook ends up planning a thoughtfully cute proposal which is true to the nature of their convenience store relationship. He arranges cup yogurt by color to spell the “marry me” and gives Hae-young a ring made from her favorite brand of jelly — which has been discontinued. But Ji-wook called the manufacturer and other stores that carried the product, and bought out the last batch in stock. “You said it’s your favorite and I wanted to see you happy,” he says to Hae-young. And anyone who says romance is dead clearly has never been swept off their feet by a K-drama male lead.
The wedding ceremony finally arrives, and we get a glass of melancholy margarita when we see Hae-young’s mom in the waiting room taking pictures with her relatives and friends. This is part of Hae-young’s plans for Mom to say goodbye to her people and vice versa, and this leaves Hee-sung and Ja-yeon with misty eyes. We’re also treated to a side-eye sandwich when Hee-sung catches the bouquet, and the significance of the action makes her boyfriend of ten years uncomfortable because he’s a chronic cheat. And she knows this, but she has chosen to ignore it for reasons best known to her.
Following the ceremony, we get a taste of honeymoon hotdogs — but ain’t nothing ~hot~ about the newlyweds staying up to count the congratulatory money. Heh. I did appreciate that Hae-young and Ji-wook were comfortable around each other and didn’t fight over the division of the bed like many a K-drama couple stuck with the one bed trope. The attraction is there, there’s a hint of awareness, but there’s little to no awkwardness between them. And I love it.
Counting the money leads to a conversation about trust, and Hae-young notes that she knows next to nothing about Ji-wook. Ji-wook then reveals that his mom moved to Canada when he was young, and his grandmother made him promise never to visit her because Mom’s new family don’t know about him. But for a while now, his mom has been trying to invite him over even though he always turns her down. This wedding was Ji-wook’s last resort to get her to stop trying because he is “planning to start his own family,” and I like that he also has a stake in the marriage.
Hae-young is pleased that Ji-wook trusts her enough to share this part of his life with her. And as someone with mommy issues of her own, she tells him to do whatever he wants regardless of his grandmother’s wishes. Hae-young might joke around with the “husband” tag, but she means it when she says Ji-wook is her priority and family, and he’s touched by her words. Ji-wook and Hae-young part ways the next morning, and in a voice over, Hae-young tells us that was the last day she saw him. Mini time skip to three months later, there’s already a new part-timer at the store (cameo by Byun Woo-seok!), and I don’t mind buying Kopiko for the rest of my life if I had part-timers like him and Kim Young-dae at my local convenience store.
In a serving of dramatic dessert, Gyu-hyun’s long-suffering secretary, YEO HA-JOON (Lee Yoo-jin), was high school classmates with Ja-yeon — and she had/still has a crush on him up to the point of naming the male lead in her webnovel after him. Aww. Ha-joon remembers Ja-yeon used to write children’s stories, but she’s too shy to tell him she has a different fanbase now — and she’s amassing more by the day (viz., Gyu-hyun stumbles on his mom’s tablet PC and is traumatized by the level of spice in her reading collection. LMAO!)
Gyu-hyun spends an entire night binging Ja-yeon’s Spice Up Our Love novel. But since he can’t bring himself to stop his mom from reading the explicit stuff, he decides to leave Joseon-level hate comments on the “debauchery” he chose to feast his eyes on. A sensible son would get his nose out of his mom’s business, but Gyu-hyun would rather “break the writer’s pen” with his comments and rob his mom of her only source of happiness and escapism. Smh. Ja-yeon has never been fazed by negative comments, but the intensity of Gyu-hyun’s bile shocks her, and she decides to sue him. Get him, girl. Do not settle!
Chairman Bok is furious when the summons arrive, and he storms into Gyu-hyun’s office to beat him up. You just know the Boks are the definition of a forked-up family when the son writes hate comments, the dad has affairs, and the mom insinuates that her son is predisposed to cause trouble because he has his father’s DNA. Tsk. For a man whose moral compass is faulty, Chairman Bok is not accepting of other people’s mistakes, and he threatens to disown Gyu-hyun if his name appears in the tabloids. This is most likely why Madam Fangirl admonished Gyu-hyun to stay vigilant if he wants to inherit the company.
When Gyu-hyun mentioned that he’s his father’s only child, his mom’s reaction suggested that she won’t be surprised if there’s another Bok offspring out there. And her statement about Chairman Bok “getting rid” of a problem from his philandering days also points in this direction. Putting the pieces together, I wouldn’t be surprised if this problem has something to do with a certain someone in Canada. In all of these forked-up family moments, though, the show’s humor always shines through, and that’s one of the things I love about it.
Gyu-hyun shows up at the police station looking like a bum to hide his identity, and Ja-yeon lurks the premises to catch a glimpse of her hater. But when they bump into each other, Gyu-hyun is taken aback to see his nemesis in the flesh, and Ja-yeon is shocked by how normal — polite, even — he is. The meet-not-cute changes Ja-yeon’s perspective as she realizes that seemingly ordinary people can be vicious behind their computer screens. The scene also highlights how Hae-young’s actions have cemented her place as a very important person in Ja-yeon’s life — from defending Ja-yeon’s writing dreams to judgmental teachers in high school to running to pick her up from the police station.
Circling back to our newest couple, Hae-young wins the in-house contest and becomes the leader of the TF team. Yay! As for Ji-wook, we see him visit Hae-young’s mom at the nursing home — which is surprisingly opposite his goshiwon. Coincidence? Maybe. But was it also a coincidence that Mom had a moment of lucidity at the wedding and addressed him as “My Ji-wook?” Ji-wook leaned in to reply “it’s me,” and now I wonder if he was among the dozen children Mom fostered. So there’s a chance he wasn’t lying about his childhood connection to Hae-young after all.
Ji-wook gets a mysterious visit from a mysterious man in a mysterious car, and the next thing we know, he shows up at Ggulbi Education with a brand new haircut and a suit! Hae-young is shocked to see her husband among the new recruits, and he swaggers up to her with an “I missed you, ma’am.” Yes, she missed you, too, but that’s not the point. Who are you and what have you done to that mini mane of glory the part-timer who was not interested in getting a corporate job? It seems this man is out to destabilize Hae-young every week with his transformations, and I’m here for it.
Two week in and I’m still having a blast with this drama. It’s a super entertaining and easy watch, and even the bits of melo surrounding Hae-young’s mom’s story and her regrets about dad’s passing don’t dampen the mood as much. Now that Ji-wook has shown up at Ggulbi, he and Hae-young are going to have to keep up the happily married ruse. And you know what that means? Noona romance, hijinks, skinship, kiss kiss and fall in love. Ha! I can’t wait.
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1 Blue (@mayhemf)
September 5, 2024 at 5:26 AM
😭😭😭😭😭😭 The hair is gone. The glasses too!
I am going to miss their convenient store banter
I love this show even in the full trope mode. It’s just so much fun. The actors and writing just works for me.
Hae-young Is such an interesting character and I love her. Even if her words are prickly at times she is someone who genuinely cares and is thoughtful.
The chemistry is fire!! The hotel room scene was so awesome I don’t know if I can handle the future!!
So Ji wook is one of the foster kids and I am glad the show didn’t try to build the suspense to the last minute. We audience know it already. We also have some idea that he might be a chaebol son. lol.
Our other couple. I really liked how the show handled the trolling. He did bad and hope he realizes how terrible his behavior was and makes amends wholeheartedly. We know he is a good guy so I have hope.
His scenes with Secretary are a hoot!! I can I just ship these two please 😜
I love this show a little too much and it’s ruined all romcoms currently airing and had to drop them all.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 5, 2024 at 5:29 AM
Also, the proposal was so swoony!! I melted. So thoughtful and so creative. For all his whining the boy pulled a fast one and we were all in a puddle.
Uri pang pang couple 🥰
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Britney
September 5, 2024 at 6:50 AM
Why pang pang?
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 5, 2024 at 6:58 AM
Mustard Pang Pang Jelly was the PPL/Proposal and the ring!!
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Koalatown
September 5, 2024 at 11:15 AM
Is mustard really the flavor inquiring minds want to know. Or is it the brand name?
Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
September 5, 2024 at 11:53 AM
@koalatown I am glad it’s not just me querying this as it seems to be a weird flavour for jelly which I assume tend to be sweet or make a point if they are not like being sour.
Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
September 5, 2024 at 10:28 PM
I actually googled Mustard pangpang jelly... No luck. It does seem weird, hence no surprises it was discontinued! It seems to be unusual flavour season... Love Next Door had the durian lollipops too.
vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 5:54 AM
I think even already he felt bad about what he wrote, that's why he was hospitalized and he even said it was having a negative impact on him
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 5, 2024 at 7:02 AM
I think maybe he got himself all hot and bothered writing all those commentaries. It was a bit too much for him. Landscapes of hot-and-botheredness lures or lurks in his near future. Hehe
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 4:27 PM
Haha, indeed they do. He has no idea of the height from which he will fall 🥰
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DiEL
September 5, 2024 at 6:41 AM
at this point I would love a spin off about the Ceo and the Secretary, the actor playing the secretary has such great comic time!
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Dylan [Suffering from Judge from Hell brainrot]
September 5, 2024 at 7:11 AM
Yes! I would love a buddy comedy with those two guys lol
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 8:07 AM
I assume he's gonna be in the spinoff, even though it sounds like the majority will take place in the world of the novel
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Cori
September 5, 2024 at 9:22 AM
They are the best comedy duo! "You make me read a dirty novel, and then tell me you pictured me while you read it" 😂
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 5, 2024 at 10:26 AM
And ‘why are you taking your secretary for your gym workouts’ !! Pfftt
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Cori
September 5, 2024 at 12:17 PM
Haha yes 😂 Poor Secretary Yeo, but I hope he never gets transferred
Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
September 5, 2024 at 7:09 AM
I am also going to miss the whole convenience store setting, particularly the extended door chirp - one my favourite characters so far.
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Dylan [Suffering from Judge from Hell brainrot]
September 5, 2024 at 7:12 AM
I think Bok-gyu and Ja-yeon would be so cute together!
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 4:33 PM
💛💛💛 I liked how they handled the trolling too. It wasn't minimised. I think he'll realise why what he did was wrong beyond the threats of not inheriting the company.
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
September 5, 2024 at 10:35 PM
I wonder what younger sister Ja-yeon knows or remembers about Ji-wook. She gives him a couple of long looks that might be recognition, including during the wedding procession, and she’s the one most frantically signaling “NO” when the bride and groom are told to kiss.
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maydayJ
September 8, 2024 at 6:53 PM
Haha so conflicted with hair, i hated it in episode one but then it kind of grew on me then they do this time jump and they cut hair now i miss it too! I wish the glasses remained tho 😅😅😅
And yes! I feel like the show has been hinting he's a long lost chaebol, probably the half brother of Bok-Gyu haha
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2 Kafiyah Bello
September 5, 2024 at 5:28 AM
I liked these episodes better than the last and I'll keep watching, but only because I have nothing on Mon-Tues. It is still just okay for me. Idk if I am going to like the show for our 2Ls though. Hmmmm
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3 Kurama
September 5, 2024 at 5:42 AM
The balance is kinda weird, I have the feelings to get 90% of Shin Min-Ah and 10% of Kim Young-Dae. I hope the story will be more balanced between the FL and the ML in the future.
JW is very mysterious. He knew her mother and he accepted the wedding because of the mother. But if HY seemed angry with all these kids, it looks like she cared about them. She helped our spicy writer. So shouldn't she remember him? I'm not so a big fan of this trope, but we will see.
The Grandmother was wrong for everything... Let him show his eyes and handsome face! There is nothing wrong with them. Separating a kid from his mother didn't help any of them...
Heo Jeong-Min made "awful boyfriend" his trademark in KDramas. HS needs to learn herself and to see she deserves better!
I wonder if Kwon Yi-Lin really never knew about her boyfriend and HY.
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Dylan [Suffering from Judge from Hell brainrot]
September 5, 2024 at 7:13 AM
I think Yi-lin suspects... hence the questions in the car ride.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 5, 2024 at 9:05 AM
I thought she didn’t. She seems nice. May be HY’s word that she can choose a different wedding gown was some foreboding.
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 4:39 PM
I feel the grandmother meant well, it's the execution that's a little misguided. I think the wisdom she was trying to impart to him was to not over rely on his appearance. I like how the show is playing with this in a subtle subversive way.
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Kurama
September 5, 2024 at 11:05 PM
I don't think so. She was pretty clear that it was the beauty of his mother that made her life complicated.
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 8, 2024 at 8:24 PM
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4 Britney
September 5, 2024 at 6:04 AM
The cigarettes makes me chuckle because it's like they're combining the fact that cigarettes seem to be shown in dramas more often nowadays with the fact that THEY ARE BAD FOR YOU!!! Like do you actively want to increase your chances of cancer and/or stroke? No judgement
but some judgementbut just know what choice you're making. Also when she's shown smoking, I don't *think* it's acting shown (but I don't remember) but I think she's shown from behind and there might be billows of smoke.That's gotta be weird and an ego boost at the same time to have an actual montage of you just being fangirled over due looking good in a suit/tux haha
But I do kinda love how excited the shop attendant and Yi Lin were haha. Like "THIS is the reason I work here/dreamed of weddings" haha
I knew or suspected that Ji Uk was one of the foster kids shown during the first episode. I think there was a boy shown. (Then again, maybe he wasn't that particular boy). I found it a bit more surprising that the mom remembered him. But maybe he's been visiting her since she's been in the hospital and keeping in touch with her while everyone didn't know?
The use of the waiting room so ALL the foster kids could come, take pictures, and speak to the mom was really sweet.
I actually liked his version of a proposal. I get that for a high powered office worker (or probably any real mature woman) it is immature or as she said "wouldn't cut it" but it was just sweet and cute to me. I just liked the effort to be considerate and fairly original/unique to their dynamic.
I like their dynamic in general! The hotel scenes had me like☺️😊😁🙈 haha
I don't really get the grandmother telling him not to visit his mother cause it would ruin her new life yet the mother had been reaching out to him. Ah, familial relations are weird and hard because to me, he has reasons to be quite resentful and yet he seemed quite caring to the grandmother to the point he's still respecting her wishes.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 5, 2024 at 7:05 AM
There was one boy shown and they dwellt on him in a way that said "Childhood Connection". So much.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 5, 2024 at 9:06 AM
The shop attendant and Yi Lin were us fangirls. Swooning and gasping 😂. I loved that scene!!
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 4:45 PM
I adored the proposal scene too! I think it worked because as you said it was so aligned with their dynamic and their history in their convenience store world. And also, those are all things HY loves. Even as a mature woman, I'd rather have a proposal that means something to me rather than trying to fit society's conventions. The feeling I got from that scene was that JW knew HY. It was lovely and swoony.
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5 vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 6:05 AM
So I just started watching this show after reading the raves here, and you all were so right! I LOVE it. It's been a long time since I felt this way about a drama. This is also the first drama in an even longer time where I love and care about the entire cast, even secondary characters (uh, minus the ex, but his wife is precious so at least there's that).
If anyone's been reading my fanwall they will know that I am especially in love with the second leads. They haven't even technically met yet (well, not officially) and I am rooting for them. I think it's because they have such strong and interesting characters. I'm going to be honest, I feel like up until now Lee Sang-yi has played pretty bland 2MLs. It's SO FUN getting to see him have a personality and act kind of goofy. And Ja-yeon definitely has my heart. They're hitting tropes I adore, like enemies to lovers, one of the two being in love with someone else at the start, person who doesn't believe in love falling in love, and romance writer who has no actual romance experience. I also can't wait to see the dynamic between Ja-yeon and Gyu-hun's mom. I am assuming that he will apologize for his comments and it does seem he already feels bad about it, so I'm not really worried about this being a toxic relationship. I am SUPER curious about what he wrote that triggered Ja-yeon's (I'm assuming) PTSD. I'm also curious about Ja-yeon's history that the drama was alluding to is really terrible. Anyway, I want the spinoff, like, yesterday, lol.
I'm gonna be honest, I love the main leads but they interest me less! I love how this drama deals with female sexuality. No blushing and stammering women here. And the whole "Gyu-hun learns his mother is a sexual being" thing was great. It reminded me of Big Mouth where all of the girls read a historical romance novel and the boys are just baffled that, wow, girls have sex drives, too!
I'm assuming that the ML is the CEO's illegitimate son and, at some point, ML was a foster child with FL's mom - so, when he said they met as kids, he wasn't lying (and I knew he wasn't lying even before that, because this is a Kdrama).
I love Secretary Yeo and his relationship with Gu-hyun. Not gonna lie, I don't really find that actor sexy (cute, yes, sexy no) so he SHOCKED me in that scene from the romance novel. Talk about smoldering. I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns who wrote the character that shares his name. Speaking of, why didn't Ja-yeon just say that she writes romance novels? Is that too close to the truth, too?
I like the complex characterization of Hae-yeong's relationship with her foster sisters. It's not a black and white thing, she isn't perfect and she does let her bitterness show, but she also cares about them and in many ways seems to try her best.
I'm also INCREDIBLY intrigued about what's going on with Hui-seong's boyfriend. Are they in an open relationship? Did they break up and won't tell...
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 6:07 AM
Oh, I was so close to making it!
... Did they break up and won't tell anyone? Is she just turning a blind eye?
I really hope this drama stays this good. Her Private Life really lost me at around ep 12, so I'm hopeful because this has only 12 eps and the second leads are taking up a lot of story time.
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
September 5, 2024 at 6:59 AM
I have a strong working hypothesis about the middle sister and PD-nim. By hypothesis, I mean, I know KNOW deep in my bones what is happening there. I think my whole neighbourhood does as I yelled it at the screen.
But loose lips sink ships so imma endeavour to keep it in...she said while smirking suggestively.
I really need to sit on my hands or hide the keyboard.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 7:07 AM
Is there any way you can tell me? Like maybe on my fanwall? I am super curious and don't mind spoilers (especially if they aren't even guaranteed)!
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
September 5, 2024 at 7:12 AM
I have actually considered another one of my infamous office pools but upon reflection I do not think it's appropriate in this particular instance.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 5, 2024 at 7:20 AM
Office pools - you mean betting on whether yes or no?
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 5, 2024 at 7:08 AM
If it's something you know because you know how these kinds of narrative works, it's your right and almost duty to say it so that you can say "I said so" later, or so that others can say it to you.
If you have other sources, I agree - sit on those dainty little hands of yours.
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
September 5, 2024 at 7:13 AM
Oh I am totally going to say: SEE I KNEW IT!
That is a given.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 5, 2024 at 7:18 AM
Anyone can say that. For it to be valid, you must have shown you knew it first.
Except, as I say, if you have read the script or talked to the actors etc, then it's no fun.
Only qualified guesses can be shared, but then also if you are 100% sure.
Gum Shoe
September 5, 2024 at 7:33 AM
I think it might be the reason why someone might have a “boyfriend” but doesn’t seem to care if he is seeing others—a false front or passive non-correction because she isn’t ready to tell her sisters. Given how this show has been very frank about sexuality, I think this may be it.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 8:08 AM
She seemed upset about the earring, but not upset in the later eps so that's why I'm confused
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LaurenSophie
September 5, 2024 at 8:32 AM
This is what I think, too. Remember that scene of Hui-seong on the couch and Hae-young makes a comment about her texting with her bf of 10 years and giggling? And Hui-seong looks nervous and caught out for a second? My first thought was that she was texting with her girlfriend, and not her "boyfriend." Yes, we saw the two kiss on the lips goodbye, and he made a comment about how sexy she looked, but there was something there that suggested these two aren't really passionate about each other--i.e. they're not actually a couple. And why pretend to be one? Because Hui-seong isn't ready to come out yet. That was my thought anyway. Considering how this writer has framed sexuality in the past and in this drama, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Hui-seong is gay.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 8:37 AM
It would explain why she's been dating for 10 years without any movement
Britney
September 5, 2024 at 9:18 AM
I thought in that scene Hui Seong thought Hae Young suspected the boyfriend was cheating. Wasn't the scene something like the writer saying she wonders what he's doing and Hae Young said he's texting some girl?
loveblossom🌸
September 5, 2024 at 9:11 PM
Oh, that is very possible.
I hadn't thought of that. I had the same view as @Britney. Seemed like Hae Young already knew about the boyfriend's cheating and she may have already talked to Hui Seong about it or stayed out of her business.
Britney
September 5, 2024 at 9:07 AM
I think he's just cheating and she's just accepting it because she doesn't want to lose him for whatever reasons.
Another variation might be they aren't "officially" a couple but "casually seeing each other" so he's free to date around/not have commitment to her.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 9:22 AM
I think that's more likely (just because this is a Kdrama) but I could be wrong)
Dylan [Suffering from Judge from Hell brainrot]
September 5, 2024 at 7:44 AM
I guess we're all going to be watching Ja-yeon and Bok-gyu's spinoff drama then XD
also, yes, I was not expecting the secretary's actor to be... like that... in that novel scene.
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LaurenSophie
September 5, 2024 at 8:27 AM
As to why Ja-yeon didn't admit to her crush that she writes romance novels, I think it's because she writes erotic romance, and she named her ML after him. I think the combination of those two things was just too embarrassing for her to admit to her crush. Plus, even though this drama depicts female sexuality in a more realistic and open way, I think it's fair to say that in Korea (or in the US for that matter) a woman stating that she writes erotica would probably be met with at least some discomfort or outright disapproval. So her reticence made sense to me.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 8:55 AM
That's what I was wondering: would being a romance novelist in Korea automatically be equated with writing erotica? Here in the west it definitely has that stigma, but I was wondering if it's even stronger there
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Britney
September 5, 2024 at 9:25 AM
Writing erotica has a stigma in the US? Granted I only know of one erotic author and her heyday was years ago but she was on the New York Times Bestsellers list (I think). I think multple of her books made the list.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 9:37 AM
There's this view of the romance genre as smutty books with shirtless men on the covers, and nothing more. A lot of people also call erotica romance, because they would rather say they're reading romance than erotica. That's why Emily Henry has gotten soooo many articles written about her and her books, because there's this (imo, unfortunate) view of "these books aren't like other romance books."
Britney
September 5, 2024 at 9:53 AM
@vienibenmio ahh, you mean like the Fabio covers in the 90s and cheesy innuendo names?
I thought those types of books were different from erotica books.
So there's levels for romance and smutty books?
Wow, I have never once wondered about these distinctions haha
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 5, 2024 at 10:24 AM
I am so from olden days. I do not think of sex when I talk about romantic novels.
But then I guess that modern stories I have read where romance was in the centre of the story were YA books. The sexscene I remember best from those is from "Am I Normal Yet?" and I won't spoil, but that scene was deliberately not sexy. (I strongly recommend the book, though).
LaurenSophie
September 5, 2024 at 12:13 PM
I think it's likely that writers of romance in Korea have to field the same type of tiresome, sexist responses and assumptions (you're not a REAL writer, your books are silly bodice rippers, anyone can write romance, etc) that people make in the US. But again, my understanding is that Ja-yeon doesn't write romance novels; she writes erotica, which is a different and much more spicy genre that people mistakenly confuse with porn.
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vienibenmio
September 6, 2024 at 6:19 AM
Oh, she DEFINITELY writes erotica, but romance is closer to what she writes than children's story, so it's less of a lie. Lol
tabong
September 5, 2024 at 8:31 AM
I love the sisters too.
These days FLs don't have families, they have roommates. So I'm happy to see sisters being sisters.
I'm also curious about Hui Seong's "boyfriend".
I'm not sure they're actually in a relationship. And if they are, then it could be an open relationship because they both seem to be seeing other people.
Maybe they have been friends for a long time and she told her family they've been dating this whole time because she's hiding something else? Maybe she's gay?
Or maybe we're overthinking it and at the end she's just ignoring his cheating? Who knows. But they're really making me curious.
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 5:02 PM
No blushing and stammering women here.
Yes. I'm appreciating this too. I mean women can blush and stammer all they want as long as that's not all we are expected to do. I like how this show is centering the female gaze and sexuality.
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Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
September 9, 2024 at 3:04 AM
Exactly this... While I still love the romance of Kdramas, I'm beginning to lose my patience a bit with unrealistic depictions of physical affection... It's like there's no middle ground between virginal, prudish behaviour, and the explicit depictions in movies and shows like Queen Woo. Older shows actually were more realistic, I feel.
I can't help but compare a Chinese show like Will Love in Spring, with all its censoring, but still so beautiful and natural in the way they showed attraction and natural affection between a couple.
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Decraew
September 6, 2024 at 7:19 AM
‘ No blushing and stammering women here’ —-> this! After a lifetime of Western series I found k drama very refreshing. But women acting like prudish nuns is losing its appeal to me. Balance, helloooo??
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6 PYC
September 5, 2024 at 6:06 AM
It’s a fun watch and proves again Shin Min-na is the romcom queen.
I can’t wait to see more interactions of the second couple and Lee Sang-yi is brilliant here. He’s such a prof if you check out the BTS for his reaction acting. No wonder there’s a spinoff of the second couple - but does it mean this current drama has no room for their relationship to blossom?
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 5, 2024 at 9:08 AM
I have the same qn. May be their arc won’t get into romance in this drama.
LSY stole ep 4 with his acting. His whole acting when reading the smut novels along with the BGM was absolute riot!! He was just so good.
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loveblossom🌸
September 5, 2024 at 9:15 PM
It's sooo nice to see him in this fun role! I've seen him a few times as side characters and then a villain, but this one is already my favorite. ^^
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 9:38 AM
I think that Gu-hyun is gonna fall for her this drama, but she won't fall for him until the spinoff (although there may be seeds planted).
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Decraew
September 6, 2024 at 7:25 AM
Shin Min-nah has indeed a talent for comedy !! 👍🏻 I love the character, very subtly portrayed
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7 Britney
September 5, 2024 at 6:27 AM
The scenes with the web novelist and the ceo made me wonder if that's really how malicious commenters are handled. Do they really make the commenter read their comments?
The whole situation also made me feel like it's a bit of commentary on people being critical of content just because they don't like it or are scandalized by it. Like just because they aren't into it, then the content shouldn't exist at all. Even though people *choose* to watch and/or pay for it. Maybe I'm just interpreting it that way haha.
I did wonder what the ceo could've written that was so bad that it darkened her whole room but geez, he wrote over 100 comments and over half of them were malicious?! Why? For what reason did he feel the need to read EVERY SINGLE CHAPTER just to comment on how he was outraged by the content, I ask even though I know people literally do this everyday haha. But to even become sickened over your own behavior to end up bedridden? That's crazy.
After learning that these characters are supposedly going to have a spinoff, I wondered how that could possibly work especially since they hadn't had any scenes together. I was not expecting this to be how they came together. Plus there's also the secretary so I wouldn't think the web novelist and the ceo are meant to end up the couple here. I wonder how their relationship is gonna develop. Seems like it will get worse before it changes for the better.
I know it's probably wrong but I did laugh/chuckle when the secretary was like "is this a new form of sexual harrassment?" Haha
It's just such a ridiculous situation and he is just funny to me. He weirdly seems to hold alot of power in his dynamic with the ceo yet not enough to get the transfer he wants haha.
Speaking of the secretary, why does he think she writes children's books?
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September 5, 2024 at 7:12 AM
To take the last thing first: Because that's what she did when he knew her, back in high school or whatever.
I think the CEO got rid of some internal t-t-tension by writing those commentaries. But the tension and the resolution were both too much for him.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 7:28 AM
It seems to me like he just kind of had a rage blackout. I've had patients describe those (obviously it doesn't remove responsibility, just sheds light on the mindset)
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Britney
September 5, 2024 at 8:38 AM
He was mad at the content (
more like turned on but didn't know how to handle it, he was mad that his mother reads it, he was mad he couldn't stop reading it, and he was mad that he kept envisioning his secretary as he was reading it.He was just going through.
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September 5, 2024 at 8:56 AM
As I said, t-t-tension.
(I want to have Frank N. Furter here saying "I see you shiver with anticip .......pation!" but you'll have to look up the gif yourself).
Britney
September 5, 2024 at 8:34 AM
I didn't remember her saying what type of stories she wrote, just that she wrote stories. Thank you for clarifying because I wondered why he thought she wrote children's books or adult fairy tales. Sidenote: I'd never heard of fairy tales for adults.
I *did* think it was some sexual frustration/tension since apparently he's never done anything but it was still alot.
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 5:10 PM
It makes me wonder too how malicious commentators feel in real life after spending a day hating like that. Unless you are just truly a horrible human who has no feelings, I imagine you're likely to suffer some kind of mental distress spewing such vitriol (or whatever it is that drives online commentors) ...eventually.
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8 Kroy
September 5, 2024 at 6:40 AM
The whole '' What about our baby '' scene was hilarious, I replayed it so many times, love the bickering between these two.
I wish Ji Wook would have gone full Makjang Drama ML and said '' I am sterile '' or something similar just to add to the drama and to embarrass Hae Young.
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September 5, 2024 at 7:13 AM
I giffed about it: https://www.dramabeans.com/activity/p/1625293/
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miso
September 5, 2024 at 7:58 AM
I loved that scene! I think the show does unexpected humour really well. Like in the hospital scene when the Secretary was going off about Gyu-hyun imagining him while reading explicit scenes 😂.
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tabong
September 5, 2024 at 8:41 AM
LOL that was hilarious.
I just hope mom stops reading the novels/changes author before her son becomes the ML of those stories. 😂 That would send him to the hospital bed AGAIN. And mom would never be the same.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 8:57 AM
Oh my God you somehow managed to make this even more hilarious
I'm thinking a lot about the spinoff and how the dynamic will be. I'll post on my fanwall in case it's considered a spoiler
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miso
September 5, 2024 at 9:21 AM
Didn't even think of that OMG 🤣
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 5:12 PM
😂😂😂 that's so funny.
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Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
September 5, 2024 at 9:19 AM
That scene had me laughing so much... Secretary trying to figure out the physics behind what they were doing in the book, with actions!! :p
And of course, the bottle-squeezing (maybe I'm reading into it too much?! But hilarious to me nonetheless)
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 9:39 AM
That's hilarious because I do the same thing when I read sex scenes in romance novels ('wait, they're in this position now? but I thought they were...')
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 5:13 PM
LOL me too @vienibenmio. I can NEVER follow those descriptions. They are incredibly confusing 😂
Blue (@mayhemf)
September 5, 2024 at 9:10 AM
LOL. Poor high school kids. First they left the store because of her, then almost had sympathy for her and the baby only to return to their original state of disdain for her. I am going to miss the convenience store scenes so much.
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 5:16 PM
Gaah, me too!! I loved that scene. It's felt like every side character is supposed to be in this show.
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9 Britney
September 5, 2024 at 6:47 AM
This week's episodes said thanks to 5 people (I think it was 5) for their cameos but I only recognized 3.
- The seemingly rich pair who Hae Young rants to about Ji Uk being a hidden lottery ticket (actors from Strong Girl Namsoon)
- The replacement part timer at the store (actor from Lovely Runner)
Does anyone know who the other cameos were?
I was thinking maybe it was the employees giving out samples but I don't recognize them.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 7:08 AM
I watched Strong Girl Namsoon and, while I recognized it was the same actress, I did not understand that cameo at all. Shows how much that drama has stuck with me
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Britney
September 5, 2024 at 8:20 AM
I knew it was a cameo mainly cause it was so random and I recognized angel dad from castaway diva (I didn't recognize the actress). I didn't know they were both from Strong Girl Namsoon until I watched a recap and then I thought "Ah!" Haha
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September 5, 2024 at 7:23 AM
The part timer was the villain and SML in Nam-soon.
I didn't notice the rich couple. If it were simply Nam-soon after marriage, that was pretty funny. And it would make their story a good deal better if Ryoo arose from the dead and became a convenience store part timer.
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Britney
September 5, 2024 at 8:22 AM
Oh yeah!!!!! Haha
I totally forgot he was in Strong Girl Namsoon! Haha
After I literally just saw the recap of it. I remembered him being from Lovely Runner
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Seon-ha
September 5, 2024 at 8:33 AM
But Why, Cecilie? You were the one who stuck it out for that whole drama...could you hazard a guess as to why all these SGNS characters are here? Is it the same director or something?
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 8:48 AM
I stuck it out, too, and I think it's just because the director is the same
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Seon-ha
September 5, 2024 at 8:56 AM
Hmm...that's still relatively distressing news.
Cecilie, is that your read too?
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 5, 2024 at 9:00 AM
Well, the OTP became less and less interesting during that drama, so if that counts as an excuse ... I'd rather I had never seen a cop idealized while stamping on the leg on an arrested person lying on the ground with that leg already broken and in plaster.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 9:05 AM
Maybe we can pretend that Ryu didn't die and is now working as a convenience store clerk. He's about to meet his real true love any day now!
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 5, 2024 at 9:22 AM
I mean that about the OTP as an answer to why I didn't spot the cameos. Except for Wooooh.
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September 5, 2024 at 9:12 AM
I didn't know but if Kim Jeong-sik and Kim Jun-shik is the same person, then that's probably it.
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Seon-ha
September 5, 2024 at 9:18 AM
It is. MDL has the director as the same guy.
I'm just going to place my hope in the fact that the writer is the same as Her Private Life which was really quite thoughtful and good about the self-contradictory nature of obsessive fanship over male idols in Korean culture
until the very, very predictable rom-com ending.DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 5, 2024 at 9:24 AM
That last line so sadly very much.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 5, 2024 at 10:55 AM
I mean, I was SO disappointed with the ending of HPL, 1) because she lost her personality, and that whole ninja-like thing that made her an anonymous legend in the first episode. Why? and 2) because she acted as if she had some game going with the male lead where it was her object to make him think they were going to have sex and then "cheating" him from it. Tasteless. To me, that kind of coyness is so vulgar: Have sex if you want to, Miss FL, and say no if you don't. [sigh].
Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
September 5, 2024 at 11:32 AM
I am all about the redemption arc.
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Jingbee
September 5, 2024 at 7:59 AM
There were 6 cameos from Strong Girl Namsoon so far including BWS as replacement part-timer; Ji Wook's grandmother; Hae Yong's father; PE Teacher. The rich couple were not actually a couple, they played their characters in Namsoon (as boss and long-suffering secretary).
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Britney
September 5, 2024 at 8:26 AM
Aww thank you!
I didn't even realize all those other cameos.
Now I'm wondering if the Namsoon actress and the male lead will make an appearance. That might be too much but still
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Kurama
September 5, 2024 at 10:58 AM
The male lead is in the army, it's why he couldn't promote the Strong NamSoon drama.
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September 5, 2024 at 10:12 AM
I tried to google "cameos Nam-soon in No Gain No Love" but it was all just about Byeon Woo-seok. I can't remember all those people so if anyone has screenshots, I'd love to see them.
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10 hacja
September 5, 2024 at 6:50 AM
I believe it was @oldawyer who noted the similarity of this one to a classic U.S. screwball romantic comedy, with its somewhat hardbitten, cynical FL(s), dialogue that is often pretty witty, a surface cynicism about romance and sex, and absurd situations in which you know what is going to happen, but regardless, still cause laughter, at least for me. I had no idea that Shin Min Ah was such a good comic actress and I think that so far, all the actors are really excellent in their roles including—I have to give him credit here, because I’ve joked about him in the past—Kim Young Dae.
The highlights for me:
1. The FL filming herself doing pretend Aegyo. Including falling down dizzy when pretending to be spun around by her fiance.
2. The post wedding where at every point they ran into each other, the wife of the ex-boyfriend called out to the FLand waved, giggling, all the way up to their next door rooms.
3. The mother reading the Spice of Love and the phrase “girthy instrument." (That was the translation I had—I don’t know what the literal Korean was—if it wasn’t that, I give the translator kudos for capturing the ridiculous euphemisms that appear in this kind of racy fiction. The hilarious beauty of the ridiculous phrase “girthy instrument” is that if you weren't reading a sex scene, no one would have any idea of what you were talking about unless you gestured toward a nearby tuba player. (Whereas if I referred to a book’s “tumid” or “tumescent” prose, there would be some suspicion that I was using a double entendre, and that suspicion would be correct. )
The hyper reaction of the son-president to reading his mothers book, including hospitalization and typing comments on how Sejong, the creator of hangul, was “turning in his grave.” Something about the image of Sejong (at least how he has been pictured in a couple of sajeuks) rolling around in sexual tumult because of a racy scene made me laugh.
The interactions between the assistant and the president—both of them are really funny, even though the roles they are playing are totally cliched. The popcorn the assistant pulled out during the was clever.
One final thing, of course, this is not a U.S. screwball comedy, so there has to be mother trauma (on both sides!) something I’m not too happy about, BUT I thought the scene on the bus, where Nam Ja Leon talked about how scary it was that ordinary people could be that vicious on the Internet, really hit home for me. (Fortunately, there is none of that on Dramabeans!)
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hacja
September 5, 2024 at 6:54 AM
Sorry, typo, not Nam Ja Leon but Nam Ja-Yeon! Sejong must be rolling in his grave!
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 7:08 AM
Oh God, I forgot about her filming the couples scenes by herself. That was fantastic. Definitely agree with the screwball romcom vibes
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Alluvial_Fan
September 5, 2024 at 4:52 PM
Dear @hacja, thank you for citing @oldlawyer and loving this Easternized version of a screwball comedy. I will leave it to others to analyze the genre. Just growing up in a family of 5 older brothers (all very important to parents unlike the sisters) I must admit that those golden era FLs gave me agency. They were smart and didn't hide it. Sassy and didn't apologize for it. Oh and they were sporty - loved to play and win. They were 'yar too.
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September 6, 2024 at 7:32 AM
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Gikata
September 6, 2024 at 8:09 PM
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bbstl 🧹
September 6, 2024 at 9:50 PM
Dragging in Sejong the Great to slam the writer was my biggest laugh 😂
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11 Nefret
September 5, 2024 at 7:07 AM
FL looked great in her youthful rebel look, the style suits her.
As funny as I found SML's reaction to the erotic romance novel, I still have reservations and concerns about his future romance with the author. Because he has clearly bullied her. Together with the extreme uptightness instilled in him by his mother, in another genre he would be a potential serial killer who targets women. But who knows, maybe that's how the writers will write the obligatory murder into this rom-com. 😀
In any case, his development has to be convincing for me to fully support his future relationship with the author. Even if he felt sorry for his actions, they caused her to have a panic attack.
No matter what happens, I hope the next episodes continue to be as cheeky and entertaining as the first four. We can finally look forward to Mondays again.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 7:09 AM
I don't really think it's bullying since there isn't a power imbalance (harassment, absolutely). If anything, Ja-yeon is the one who holds the power because she has the law on her side
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hacja
September 5, 2024 at 7:21 AM
I am not entirely sure that in the rom-com pair-up, we will see the novelist with the President, despite her street tackle, and his then recalling her face. The assistant, with the met in childhood connection, still seems possible. I personally would love to see the cynical and world-wise middle foster sister, stuck with the cheating boyfriend, get paired with the naive and sexually repressed president, but so far there's been no sign of that.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 8:49 AM
She's 100% going to end up with the president. I am very, very good at predicting this sort of thing and in Kdramas there is an especially reliable rule with secondary couples: the more they bicker and hate each other, the more likely it is they will end up together.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 5, 2024 at 9:05 AM
Still, it seems he was casting his secretary as the ML in those stories ...
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 9:16 AM
Oh, yeah, right now she's in love with Secretary Yeo and the ML is based on him, but that's gonna change.
LaurenSophie
September 5, 2024 at 12:17 PM
I agree. Plus, haven't the actors done some publicity shoots together?
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 1:13 PM
Yeah, I've actually been looking at them on MDL. They look great together!
https://mydramalist.com/photos/qY3Xb5_3
tabong
September 5, 2024 at 9:33 AM
The president is 100% endgame.
What it hasn't been clear tho, is if this is going to be a love triangle or if the secretary is going to be the wingman or if he's going to fight for this transfer the entire show.
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Dylan [Suffering from Judge from Hell brainrot]
September 6, 2024 at 5:14 AM
Jay-yeon and Bok-gyu want to find love, Yeo Ha-jun just wants to code!
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Britney
September 5, 2024 at 12:14 PM
I would assume they would get together solely because they're the second leads.
I imagine he's gonna fall for her first and then is gonna be tormented by the fact that she and the secretary know each other and the secretary has the same name as the novel character.
I wonder if in her next update she'll write a character based on her hater (the ceo) and have the Ha Jun of her novel beat him up.
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 5:31 PM
And he's going to also be tormented by the fact that he said all those hurtful things to her. However they end up together, it will have be a convincing display of acting or whatever it needs to stick the landing. Fun times ahead, I say!
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vienibenmio
September 6, 2024 at 6:23 AM
And wait until he finds out about her awful childhood and that something he wrote was incredibly close to home (even if we don't know what it was yet)
tabong
September 5, 2024 at 9:28 AM
Totally.
I confess that I laughed really hard at the random "qué estúpido" (perfect Spanish, ahjussi), but everything about that scene (and their parenting in general) gives "serial killer origin story" vibes.
However, I like that (1) he actually knows (to some extension) how problematic his family is. Like when he told his mom what she was doing was unfair to the female employees.
(2) What he wrote wasn't really because he wanted to hurt uri maknae, but because he wanted to make his mom stop reading those novels.
It was less about having something against her, and more about his weird family dynamic and all this repression his mom taught him.
And finally, I also think that as many other people, many regular people on the internet, he wrote those comments short-sighted. I don't think he ever thought of the real consequences of his actions. And he didn't know how much he was going to hurt her. Even in this site sometimes I'm like "okayyyy, what did this person ever do to you?". Because Idk, when online people forget that there's someone real on the other side.
And I think that's something the show was trying to say. Sometimes the people that do hurtful things are just that, people. Regular people can cause harm too. But that doesn't make them automatically bad people.
So I think (hope that) after what happened at the police station he will realize that there was a human being behind those words he wrote online.
He triggered something from her past without knowing, so I think he can reflect on his actions and make things right.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 9:41 AM
Right, it's a lot easier to be mean to someone if they're removed from you. That's probably half the problem with the internet, lol
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September 5, 2024 at 10:35 AM
To me, he doesn't have to trigger any PTSD for her to react this way. To receive loads of hatred online can get people down even without a traumatic past.
I recommend reading the comments sent to Anita Sarkeesian for her "crime" of cultural analysis of video games.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 11:02 AM
I would agree, but the way the drama portrayed it made it look like a dissociative flashback, not just dysphoric mood
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tabong
September 5, 2024 at 1:38 PM
Yep. He doesn't have to. But that's what happened in the drama so that's what I'm referring to.
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 5:41 PM
Exactly. Constantly spewing or receiving hatred can disregulate the nervous system. It's not normal at all.
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 5:37 PM
So,so true. I can't agree with your points enough. Even on this site it does seem clear that we sometimes imagine we are talking into the void but they're people reading and responding. But it's also the nature of the internet in nurturing these strange parasocial relationships.
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Britney
September 5, 2024 at 10:49 AM
"Together with the extreme uptightness instilled in him by his mother, in another genre he would be a potential serial killer who targets women"
Exactly! I had that same thought!
If this show were framed differently, he would totally be an incel targeting women
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12 Dylan [Suffering from Judge from Hell brainrot]
September 5, 2024 at 7:10 AM
There's so much to like about this drama. I like the leads, ofc, but the other characters are fun too! CEO Fu-- I mean, Bok-gyu and his interactions with Secretary Yeo are so funny to me. Lee Sangyi's comedic abilities and puppy dog vibes in this drama make an otherwise despicable character fun to watch? I love how his secretary uses every opportunity get back at Gyu-hun, in the pettiest of ways. I just enjoy their bromance, or whatever it is they've got going on.
I came here for Shin Min-ah and the contract marriage trope, but I'm staying for Han Ji-hyun. She's absolutely adorable in this role. Gyu-hun has a lot of growing up to do and reparations to do, but I look forward to her loveline with him.
Yi-lin seems like a genuinely good person so far? Woo-jae... I would like to see his reaction when it turns out his ex married a secret chaebol heir.
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 5:44 PM
Me too. Came for SMA and KYD and I've been swept off my feet by all these other characters that make their world more shiny.
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13 LaurenSophie
September 5, 2024 at 7:12 AM
I have such heart eyes for this show! I'm truly in the infatuation stage where as far as I'm concerned the drama can do no wrong; whatever it throws my way is either genuinely funny, touching, or both. Everything is clicking for me.
Highlights this week:
--The way the show balanced the poignant and moving scenes of mom at the wedding with intrigue (yes, it does seem like Ji-wook was one of her many foster kids) and the bittersweet and understandable sentiment from Hae-young that she loves her mother, but never really liked her. Although I personally can't relate to that (I both liked and loved my mother) I do know people who have felt that seemingly contradictory set of feelings for family members so it rang true to me. It was also somewhat of a relief to see in a drama--a genre that features many problematic parents--a lead who isn't expected to devote her life to pleasing or excusing a parent who has genuinely and understandably hurt them. I also like that for her part, mom certainly wasn't and isn't a villain. She tried to help people but it came at a cost for her daughter. That's true to life.
--The thing that initially I worried about when I heard about the casting was that I was never going to be able to accept these two actors together. It just felt *off* to me. Well, I'm happy to admit I was so, so wrong. Improbably, these two have great chemistry, and I must credit not just the actors, but the writing and directing as well. As @Unit said, there's attraction and interest here, but these are two experienced adults, so there's no heavy handed awkwardness. I like that both are intrigued by one another, and Ji-wook clearly has a burgeoning crush, but their exchanges still feel organic and real to me. And that proposal scene was amazingly swoony yet never cringey. Well done, show.
--The banter between the leads, the sisters, the chaebol and his secretary make the show consistently giggle-inducing. My favorite line this week: "Not every man has slept with me, but no one who has sleeps with me only once." LOL.
--The second leads. Now this is a secondary romance that deserves to take up time from the main story. I love everything about this arc so far. I will note, too, that in a lesser writer's hands, the way Gyu-hyun went after Ja-yeon's work via hate comments would not work as a set-up for the romance that's sure to develop between these two. But it was handled beautifully. We see that Gyu-hyun is not a misogynist, but a clear product of screwed up parents who sees sexuality as weakness and the source of great emotional pain. I loved, too, that Ja-yeon had the realization that the saddest and most difficult part of dealing with hate comments is learning that the other person is just as human as you are. I found those scenes very affecting, and despite everything, including Jae-young's crush on the secretary, I want to see these two figure things out together. And shout-out to Gyu-hyun's very expressive hair!
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 7:28 AM
"We see that Gyu-hyun is not a misogynist, but a clear product of screwed up parents who sees sexuality as weakness and the source of great emotional pain."
What an insightful comment - thank you! I'm glad I'm not alone in my love for the second leads
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tabong
September 5, 2024 at 10:13 AM
"I do know people who have felt that seemingly contradictory set of feelings for family members so it rang true to me. It was also somewhat of a relief to see in a drama--a genre that features many problematic parents--a lead who isn't expected to devote her life to pleasing or excusing a parent who has genuinely and understandably hurt them."
Same. I love how this show keeps reflecting on the complexity of family dynamics. You can hate someone you love (in my opinion, you can only hate someone you love), and you can love someone you don't like.
It's that love that you take for granted when you call someone your family. And it's the not-like of someone that's incompatible. You have to be apart from each other (for your sake), but the second you hear that person needs you, you will run to them.
That's exactly what Hae Young did with mom.
I also like how one of the reasons why HY was hurt is because her siblings would be with her temporary. She probably thought there was no point in "wasting" her emotions getting close to someone that would be gone soon. More losses than gain for her.
She not only lost her mom to get siblings but she would also lose those siblings at some point.
But that also shows how strong her bond is with her two sisters who didn't leave her. That's her real family right there.
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 5:50 PM
I found myself wondering why the mother did what she did...foster in a way that took her mostly away from her own daughter. I have a sneak feeling she thought she was doing it for HY, but we shall see. I hope they get to tell us before the show ends.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 5, 2024 at 6:16 PM
I am afraid it was more in HY's mind than in reality. Any mother could be doing the garden with a sibling and not see the wound on her daughter's knee when she didn't say anything.
And the ML, when they ate, he had emptied his bowl ... he was growing to be that tall boy. So the mum gave him som of her food. HY had not finished her food yet.
And most of those children had just lost their parents and or had never known them etc. So while HY maybe was used to a goodnight story and being treated nice ... and had her dad, too, ... those other kids had maybe been treated with that contempt that orphans seem to exposed to by some, at least in K-drama, the idea that they can't have any manners or moral without a mother. So it was like a broken leg juxtaposed to a scratch.
And also, all those kids were i traumatic situations - they
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Skiee
September 7, 2024 at 3:48 AM
But as a kid it's normal you will feel jealous, even kids gets jealous for their younger siblings. And here it's the foster kids. Having dads love doesn't mean you won't need moms. So I think it's a 50/50 on both sides.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 7, 2024 at 7:04 AM
I am not saying it's not natural or anything. I am just saying that the mum can have been a normal mum to the FL, paying attention to some degree - anyone can overlook a child that comes home and stand there with a chafed knee and says nothing and then goes to her room heartbroken - Mum cheerfully speaking over her shoulder "Hi, great that you're here, come give us a hand with the herbs".
So much more if the fosterchild she is doing the garden with is traumatized be recently having seen both her parents killed by a ToD. Stuff like that.
tabong
September 5, 2024 at 8:00 PM
Oh. Interesting! I never gave much thought to mom's intentions.
I just assumed that she thought her daughter had "enough" (compared to the kids she was helping). And that she probably thought Hae Young would "understand".
Plus, there was also dad. He seemed close to Hae Young.
So I think things got really bad between mom and daughter after Hae Young lost her dad (according to her, because of mom), and then she felt truly alone and her resentment against mom grew more.
But since this is kdramaland maybe there is a hidden meaning like you mentioned. Not empathy and sense of responsibility but mom thinking this was "the best" or a life lesson or something like that for Hae Young.
We need more back story.
This isn't the typical "I was an only child and now that there's a new baby in the house no one loves me! *Two seconds later* Omo, I love my new dongsaeng" kind of situation.
She wouldn't get to bond with them and see them become her family, and see them grow and receive their love and have time with all of them as a family, and fight with them for mom's love and all that. Also, it didn't seem like her mom would react to what she asks (we only saw dad talking to her about it).
It probably felt more like "bothering mom at work" than "fighting with my siblings for mom's attention".
However, she did built a family for herself with her two sisters.
Even tho they seem to still need external (HY's) validation to feel part of the family after all this time... I don't know. There are many factors to consider.
LOL sorry for all the disjointed ideas.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 7, 2024 at 7:07 AM
No, no, don't say sorry. It's the fact that there are more than one perspective that doesn't make that family part boring. More than one perspective = disjointed 😉
Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 8, 2024 at 5:49 PM
You make perfect sense @tabong. I think every element you cover here is hopefully what will get in the back story when we get it...IF we get it.
Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 5:51 PM
I love everything you said here, @laurensophie 🥰
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14 kimchiturka
September 5, 2024 at 7:38 AM
I really really love the leads, but I don't care at all about the chaebol boss story, so I was a bit bored with ep 4 - that just took up too much time. Ok, it really was hilarious when he discovered what his Mum's been reading, and I appreciate the commentary on the haters in general, but his character just feels somehow off to me. Like he's just being inserted into the story to fill up the minutes, without any organic connection to it. Like, it's already 4 episodes, and I still don't see why he was advertised as a 2nd lead here - nor the younger sister for that matter. I like her character better than his, but I don't see why she would be more important than the other sister and her story. The secretary is a much better character to me, at least I can empathize with his desire to change jobs.
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15 OldLawyer
September 5, 2024 at 7:40 AM
This week this show surpassed GOOD PARTNER to become my favorite currently broadcasting show. Which is not a slight to GOOD PARTNER (a very good show). Shin Mina is really good but so many of the other characters are wonderful too. Not since
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OldLawyer
September 5, 2024 at 7:41 AM
BUSINESS PROPOSAL have Mondays been something to look forward to.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
September 7, 2024 at 12:56 AM
I agree the long wait for Mondays when Business Proposal was airing was something I had forgotten about but this is even surpassing that feeling. I have felt compelled to rewatch the episodes in between which I have never done before. I just need to see those laugh out loud scenes again in the context of the whole episode.
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OldLawyer
September 8, 2024 at 5:30 PM
I have now watched each episode twice- the second time with my wife. She loved it.
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16 Skiee
September 5, 2024 at 7:42 AM
I Loved these episodes. Both couple stories are interesting. Let's see how they write office romance trope. The comedies are on point. They are also giving messages through comedies about cigarette and about hate comments. I like very much so far. So hoping it will keep it up.
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17 empressgirl
September 5, 2024 at 8:01 AM
I haven't seen such witty dialogue and refreshing takes on well-trod tropes in the romcom genre for a while.
I literally LOL through 3 & 4
Stay fresh and funny -- to the very end!
Hwaiting!
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 5:53 PM
Hwaiting!! ×1000
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18 ♡Peach_Mochi♡
September 5, 2024 at 8:23 AM
Happy to have a show I’m excited about. NGNL is showing that the most tired tropes can feel fresh when accompanied by witty writing and committed acting — shoutout to Lee Sang-yi for a truly vanity-free performance.
Let’s hope the show works the same magic with office romance/forced cohabitation that it did with contract marriage.
Like other Beanies, I think the 12-episode length is a good sign. All fun, no filler.
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vienibenmio
September 6, 2024 at 6:25 AM
What's interesting is that, while his performance is truly vanity-free, I think he looks the most attractive in this drama. Maybe because he actually has a personality and isn't just "sad sack on the wrong side of the love triangle" (it's not your fault Lee Sang-yi! You did the best you could with thankless roles)
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19 loveblossom🌸
September 5, 2024 at 8:33 AM
Gosh, I loveeeee how comfortable our leads are together (which is most of the time). They have great chemistry. Their flow of conversations & banter was nice and fun. This drama has only 12 episodes so the pacing has been great. I'm glad these two weren't fussing about their time at the hotel. I kinda wanted to see the next morning, but alas, they moved on. Ji Wook's proposal was the cutest thing ever. He was thoughtful and included wonderful touches to make Hae Young happy. (They got me googling those pang pang jellies haha.)
I'm so in love with Shin Mina in this role! She is delightful! Her solo dates with her camera were hilarious. It was slightly embarrassing, but I barely thought about that. I laughed and smiled more at her enthusiasm. I appreciated her courage in taking on this task, especially in crowded places. I could never.
Maknae Ja Yeon's loveline looks like it will be one with a love triangle? She likes Ha Joon, but I'm not yet sure if he likes her back as a friend or more. Ha Joon and Gyu Hyun are both fun and likable characters so I'm not sure what is going to happen next for these three. (I know about the spin-off so I am leaning towards that couple).
I miss Ji Wook's long hairstyle already! I wish they kept it longer past his ears like his look in this promo video & poster: https://www.dramabeans.com/2024/08/shin-mina-and-kim-young-dae-get-hitched-in-no-gain-no-love/ (He looks so hot with the shaggy, casual hair.)
I'm a little bummed about the change of setting and the likely office politics. The leads' relationship dynamic could be affected. I hope they continue to have good lines and conversations. And yessss, all the hijinks!
We're gradually getting more into the sisters' relationship. I liked seeing Hae Young's care and support of her sister in her particular ways, heh.
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 8:35 AM
I am 99% sure that Ha-jun has friend-zoned Ja-yeon
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 6:05 PM
I agree. Shin Mina is superb for this role. And for me, HY is a much closer, truer representation of a female who is actually empowered. She's flawed, is aware of her flaws and works with them to try and build the life she wants. She doesn't shy away from her desire for love or sex but is also not willing to compromise for either. She feels like a real woman to me. An every woman and yet also very uniquely herself. I just adore her.
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
September 6, 2024 at 8:52 PM
My heart sank a little when Ji-wook showed up at the new employee event, too - the first false note. I don't love an office romance, but we can hope this one will be as thoughtful and funny as the rest of the show has been.
Is new recruit No A-Reum going to be significant? She's the one whose name tag Hae-young picks up just before she sees Ji-wook, and the camera lingers on her. Why is she coming out toward the lobby instead of going in?
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20 DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 5, 2024 at 8:39 AM
What's with the invisible cat?
I think there must be more to it than just the cat hiding.
I imagine ML-nim somehow hiding with the cat, or otherwise having trained it to hide because ... I don't know.
I hope it's creative, not lazy writing. ANd BTW, I hate that she talks as if her promise to him doesn't matter. She should be a proper and just person, even if society is neither proper nor just.
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Cori
September 5, 2024 at 12:28 PM
I think the cat is just hiding because she was a stray and is dealing with the culture shock of her new living arrangements 😸
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 5, 2024 at 3:08 PM
Hm. Very undramalike.
And cats that like people would
not be scared like that. It would maybe try to run away and come back every day: some cats have routes of many kilometers they cover each day, with houses and people they consider "theirs".
We had a daily visitor for some years. ❤️🐈⬛
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21 Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
September 5, 2024 at 8:59 AM
Loved these last two eps!!
So many small moments that had me spitting with laughter (which almost never happens for me!)...
- the border collie, pigeon, and the wary cat.
- no-one has ever slept with me just once... you go, girl!
- Baby and the two students.
- Secretary wondering how certain positions work LOL
and the piece de resistance that had my dirty brain cackling awayyyy...
-CEO squeezing the water bottle ahahaha... so juvenile, but so damn fun.
So refreshing to see a show that's not populated by blushing 30 yo's, and fully leans into their, and the viewers, being full adults with experience- except for the CEO, but I guess he has his reasons. I wish they'd taken it a step further with the writer authoring bl romances, and the second couple being the CEO and his secretary... truly upending the What's Wrong with the Secretary series! Okay, tiny steps... so I'll take what I get!
The emotional beats hit just right too...
-The wedding scene, with the foster sisters hugging each other at their mum's first funeral... damnnn
-FL's teary eyes reminiscing about her father, and while walking the aisle, and Ji-Uk knowing exactly what was happening
- Liked that she thanked him for sharing- that acknowledgment doesn't happen enough
Of course, the romance...
-The proposal was just so swoony- boy put a *lot* of thought and effort into a fake one, despite always wishing that her next one should be better
-his hand w/ the wedding band looked very sexy indeed when the camera kept not-so-subtly panning to it (I mourn the loss of his long hair though)
-really good banter- she's truly the Buddha to have resisted.
Waiting on Mondays now, and then for the comments after.
pangpang + recaps = 2 X fun
Hope they keep it up (ooooh pun unintended blame it on drama;) )
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vienibenmio
September 5, 2024 at 9:07 AM
That whole "I said I've never been to a motel, I didn't say I haven't done other things" (or whatever he said) moment was pretty darn swoony
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Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
September 5, 2024 at 9:11 AM
Also forgot to add...
That the convenience store owner should've been a Kdrama Casting director... a true eye for beauty, as she says.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 5, 2024 at 9:47 AM
I loved that she didn’t take back the ring even though she just rented it for him.
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tabong
September 5, 2024 at 10:27 AM
" I wish they'd taken it a step further with the writer authoring bl romances, and the second couple being the CEO and his secretary... truly upending the What's Wrong with the Secretary series! Okay, tiny steps... so I'll take what I get!"
I had the same thought after the elevator scene where he gives Ha Jun the cookies. 😌
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 6:00 PM
Haha, pun very much intended! Well said 👏
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22 daebak dramatist
September 5, 2024 at 9:51 AM
Of the shows I'm watching right now (this one, Cinderella at 2 AM, and Love Next Door), this is my favorite! This one is way more fun than the others with better writing and better pacing. I also appreciate some of the more adult humor. It is refreshing to see sexually active characters instead of the in-my-30s-but-never-been-kissed trope. I like all of the leads so far (though my brain keeps making the second leads the same couple Lee Sang-yi was in in Once Again - the actresses seem so similar to me!).
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23 loveblossom🌸
September 5, 2024 at 10:19 AM
Some fun quotes:
Hae Young to Ji Wook: "I said that the guests need to be able to forget what you look like, so how dare you be this good-looking! You should've warned me beforehand about how pretty your face really is!"
Hae Young muttering about Ji Wook to herself. He's behind her and said: "Objects in the mirror are closer than they may appear." /dead/
Ji Wook: "There's no telling whether I'll be a dog or an angel in a confined space."
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 5, 2024 at 10:24 AM
We want to see the dog (rawr) version 🤗
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♡Peach_Mochi♡
September 5, 2024 at 11:00 AM
Their banter is fantastic. He’s truly her equal in that category, even if she had doubts about their equality in other areas. 😉
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Britney
September 5, 2024 at 11:38 AM
Hae Young: Sports games are only fun when teams are evenly matched. Physical stuff is the same; it's only fun if both are evenly experienced
It's the challenging from both of them that tickles me haha
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24 Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 5, 2024 at 6:19 PM
@Unit's recap is just funny as the episodes and so are all the comments. I love that I get to enjoy this show with so many of you enthusiastic (as-me) Beanies. That's a delight.
Everything that could be said has been said. I hope the show keeps shining bright ✨️ 🙏🏿 The marriage between the writing, acting, Pacing, directing and editing in this show has been top notch so far. Chef's kiss 💋 I know it's easy to be an armchair critic and point out all the things that don't work for us as viewers, but let me tell you, it's not easy to write something that deeply resonates with someone other than yourself let alone hundreds of people. The magical feeling this show is giving is a result of a million little hard decisions that we don't appreciate enough while wearing our consumerist hats. And I just want to honour that. Onwards, little show!
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Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
September 5, 2024 at 6:38 PM
What you say is so true. Good or above-average shows, of course, rake in all the love deservedly. But even a bad show is deserving of a little share, because it has so many people's hard work in it... I know I get devastated, by even the tiniest hint of criticism of my work, and then spin in circles trying to make up for it... Maybe we should go easier on them!
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
September 6, 2024 at 11:45 PM
When I first joined DB I commented that none of us would want our work criticised and yet for some reason we feel ok criticising the writers and actors who are doing a job that few, if any, of us could do. I was told that I needed to get over myself! I therefore tend to talk about the character’s behaviour or the mix of genres not working for me or the change in content indicating something changed in the writing team as it doesn’t feel like the same person writing. In these ways I try to focus away from the individual and more onto themes and processes. I know I don’t always get that right but I do keep trying. Everyone has bills to pay and imposed limitations so may not always get to do things the way they want to.
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 8, 2024 at 6:06 PM
Yes to all of this. It's also why I focus on themes (apart from the fact that's my favourite part of storytelling). I also don't always get it write but I'm acutely aware of it being an aspiring writer myself. We can't please everyone and it's true that some stories are just for a few people. There's a story out there for all of us and if not, we can also try to write which is why most of us writers write anyway. I always appreciate your measured, non critical and thoughtful comments, Mother bean 💛
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
September 8, 2024 at 7:32 PM
Well done you for becoming a writer, it’s really not an easy path to take but so rewarding. I hope you achieve your writing goals.
Thanks for your kind words.
Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 9, 2024 at 1:57 AM
@nivar I'm right there with you with the devastation and spinning in circles! 🤗 We could definitely go a little easier on them. And I love what you say about even a bad show having so many people's hard work. So very true.
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25 Ally
September 5, 2024 at 7:49 PM
I’m watching 3 romances right now and this on is definitely my favorite. The banter is cute, the romantic gestures are ADORABLE (best proposal in recent memory), and I’m quite enjoying the romantic chemistry too! I can’t wait for Lee Sang -yi to fall for the salacious novel writer, stealing her heart from his very own secretary! I’ve always had a soft spot for him. This show is CUTE! And the cameo by BWS was the Cherry on top! 🥰
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26 Nirbhay
September 5, 2024 at 10:11 PM
This really is the best rom-com currently on air. Very tropey but till date enjoyably written and well acted out. The secretary-Bok heir relationship is super-fun to watch. And I loved loved Ji-wook leaning over Hae-young to say, that this might be his first hotel but not first anything else! Ho boy, here's hoping for more action from your end on this matter !
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27 seyhan
September 6, 2024 at 8:40 AM
Finally a proper romcom that does justice to the “com” part of its name. I’m so glad I read the comments and gave it a go, 4 episodes just flew by in one sitting. I luuuurved that Ji-wook kept wearing his ring, so dreamy. He also looks at Hae-young with the most earnest, soulful puppy eyes ever. And he feeds and looks after strays... my kyrptonite when it comes to men.
How hysterical Shin Min-ah in this role though, love love love all her small mannerisms and the pouty faces she makes. There was this scene in the first episode where she decides she’s giving up on the promotion and turns to leave work, but immediately perks up and bows when a higher-up passes by a second later lmao. I rewinded that exact part 5 times I think.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
September 6, 2024 at 11:33 PM
It really is a joy to have a rom com with so many scenes you need to rewind because they are laugh out loud 🤣
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28 FiyaShady
September 6, 2024 at 12:20 PM
Uuuhhh, I'm glad I am joining this bandwagon eventhough 2 weeks late 😁.
Was Ji Wook the first kid that HaeYoung mom adopting? I have no idea how long this drama would be but yes, I look the day how does HY mom starting to become adopting parent. Soooooo many questions that intrigue me
Till next Monday beanies 😊
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
September 6, 2024 at 11:34 PM
👋🏾 welcome to the fun; the joy of live watching with the beanies just adds to all that is good about this drama.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 7, 2024 at 3:32 AM
He can’t be the first kid because he was a ‘Oppa’. That’s how mom introduced him iirc.
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29 maydayJ
September 8, 2024 at 6:56 PM
Bok-gyu! I can't even 🤣🤣🤣 so hilariously innocent 🙈🙈🙈
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30 dkb
September 11, 2024 at 7:59 PM
So funny, so cute, so adorable, so romantic, did I say funny!
Loved everything about these 2 episodes, favorite part was Hae-Young filming her wedding video herself. She does not GAF about what others think about her, girl has a video highlight reel to make and nothing is gonna stop her.
I wished Ji-Uk kept his long hair.
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