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Captivating the King: Episodes 13-14

It’s the penultimate week, and in the wake of a near-tragic misstep, our players move into position to face off against their opponents once and for all. All sides have spun and believed their share of lies, but as lines are drawn in the sand, it’s finally time to embrace the truth.

 
EPISODES 13-14

Confession is the name of the game this week, starting with Lee In’s acknowledgment that he came to meet Mong-woo knowing full well he was walking into a trap — all because he’d promised to come whenever she called. Dal-ha chooses that moment to sneak up behind Lee In, knife in hand, but Mong-woo runs between them and takes the knife directly to the chest. Dal-ha crumples to the ground in dismay. Lee In sends for the royal physician, brushing off Sang-hwa’s protests that Mong-woo and Dal-ha are traitors and vowing never to forgive himself if she dies like this.

The royal physician is next to confess: an old friend — the new inspector general Je-nam — told him about Mong-woo when she first returned to the palace and asked him to watch over her. So Lee In summons Je-nam to hear his side of the story. Je-nam says, truthfully, that he knew about and abetted Mong-woo’s revenge plot, but he’d expected her to fail — and he distanced himself from her upon being appointed inspector general.

Captivating the King: Episodes 13-14

When Lee In assures Je-nam he has every intention of hearing Mong-woo out, Je-nam thanks him on Lord Kang’s behalf. Only then does Lee In realize that Mong-woo is Kang Hee-soo, his old mentor’s daughter and only surviving relative. But there’s nothing more he can do for her tonight, so he leaves her in Je-nam’s care and returns to the palace.

Despite waiting anxiously for news about Mong-woo’s condition, Lee In doesn’t immediately run to her upon hearing that she’s regained consciousness. It’s not because he’s angry, he finally explains, but because he’s ashamed. He could have stopped any of her schemes, but he’s been allowing them — encouraging them, even — because they aligned with his goal of appointing Prince Moon-sung as his successor. In his eyes, he’s been using her.

In return, Mong-woo confesses that she overheard his confrontation with Lord Park. She was afraid her love for Lee In would sway her from doing what she thought was best for the people, so she decided to have him killed before she could change her mind. With those confessions out of the way, Lee In reveals that Lord Kang is alive and well — he’s acting as Lee In’s spy in Qing. Lee In has been searching for Hee-soo all this time, never knowing she was right by his side.

Then it’s time to deal with Dal-ha. Lee In gives him a choice: hide his crime and live or confess and resolve his grievances by helping expose the real traitor who sold him out to Qing three years ago. Dal-ha chooses the second option, so Lee In transfers him to the palace and calls in the Border Defense Council — that is, Lord Park and his associates — to prepare an investigation.

Having just learned Dal-ha’s identity, Lord Park is delighted by his arrest… until Lee In explains that he’ll reveal the actual traitor during the investigation. Lord Park can’t have that because, as Lee In suspects, he was responsible. He argues against the investigation, giving Lee In the perfect opportunity to ban the Border Defense Council from participating. When several lords petition Lee In to stop the investigation, he calls them out for only caring about their own agendas, going so far as to say that Dal-ha — who risked his life to act as a spy on the former king’s behalf — is more loyal to Joseon than they are.

Worried for Lee In’s safety, Mong-woo returns to the palace early, and she and Lee In finally lay all their cards on the table. She confesses how she allowed herself to be blinded — in other words, captivated — by her assumptions about him. And he confesses, shamefacedly, that he took the throne against his brother’s wishes. He expects her to hate him for being a usurper, but she embraces him instead, assuring him that by protecting Prince Moon-sung he’s kept his promise to his brother anyway. She pledges her full, unconditional support from now on.

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With Mong-woo and Dal-ha’s help, Lee In identifies the man Lord Park sent as an informant to Qing three years ago. But before Lee In can question the man, Lord Park has him killed. Enraged, Lee In gives Lord Park a long-overdue ultimatum: formally confess all his crimes in 24 hours, or be charged with high treason and condemned. Twenty-four hours come and go, but Lord Park maintains that he has nothing to confess. Je-nam worries there won’t be enough evidence to convict him, but Lee In has been harboring a secret witness as a last resort: Court Lady Dong.

The problem? Court Lady Dong knows more than even Lee In realizes. The mysterious poison that killed the former king — the one not even the royal physician can identify — was painted on Court Lady Dong’s lips. Now Lord Park gives her another batch of the poison makeup, along with a threat: If she doesn’t poison Lee In with it, he’ll testify that she poisoned the former king on Lee In’s behalf, and Lee In will execute her to protect himself. So when Lee In asks Court Lady Dong to be his witness against Lord Park, she agrees — on one condition. Much like Mong-woo did before, instead of naming her request out loud, Court Lady Dong approaches the throne to kiss him.

Captivating the King: Episodes 13-14

Just when I was starting to think that watching Lee In rain on Lord Park’s parade yet again was (while satisfying) preventing him from feeling like a real threat, Lord Park goes and makes himself threatening in a very different way than I expected. His influence has been his main weapon thus far, keeping him in power even when his crimes are obvious and allowing him to wiggle out of Lee In’s traps in the nick of time. We’ve seen him nervous before, but now it’s like he’s unraveling. And while I suspect he’ll start making mistakes out of desperation, I also believe now more than ever that he can and will do serious damage on his way out.

And speaking of downward turns, Myung-ha is showing his true colors at last, doubling down on his hatred of Lee In and letting himself be swayed by Hyun-bo even after belatedly discovering that Hyun-bo manipulated his father into accusing Lee In of treachery. There’s still room for him to switch sides by the end, but the way he didn’t seem to care overly much that he’d hurt Mong-woo when he grabbed her shoulder was very telling, and I’m glad the show isn’t just pretending he’s been a good person all along.

Finally, I loved everything about Mong-woo and Lee In’s reunions, from her admitting she was wrong to him sharing his deepest, darkest secret even though he was terrified of how it might change her opinion of him. I don’t know what kind of ending will greet these two next week, but I’m so glad they’re finally playing on the same team.

Captivating the King: Episodes 13-14

 
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i think Mong Woo is pregnant, and the King knows she's expecting (from the royal physician, her "weakened state"...,; MW herself may or may not know yet).. and the Qing envoy has asked for MW as a tribute (voiceover in preview)... ohhh what high stakes for our king, how will he protect his love now? This may be why he is going for the main villain (the uncle) now, he is running out of time!

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Throw this out of the window🤣. When did they get under the sheets? The morning after episode 9?

You're sending me back to watching the first 20 minutes of episode 9 cause it looks like I missed something important.

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Her tooshie was way too close to his body after the the whole kissing scene with him over her to not be understood that they really did it under the sheets.

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Plus her hair was completely down and she was tenderly touching the sheets after he left. I've been operating on the assumption that they had a night of love 😉

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I thought the scene was pretty clear until we saw the next scene of them being in the bed completely fully dressed. I think they could dressed them but not as good, like no socks, not everything tied up...

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Maybe they did it with their socks on?

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I'm sure they slept together in that scene. Then why in the world they were kissing while lying down and sleeping next to each other.

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I have a bit of an issue with modern kdramas about that. Halftime I’m clueless if they “did it” or not. It’s ok to not show the more revealing bed scenes but is it hard to ask for a male lead to slowly lower the robe from one shoulder while kissing the heroine or lowering her into the bed? This is the ONLY clue we need.

And it’s getting worse and worse with these dramas. I think it started around 2014, when the sweater-swaddled bed scenes became all the rage, no? I remember fondly Moon Embracing the Sun bed scenes or Secret Garden bed scene, etc, etc. There was NO DOUBT that these adult slept together, but since then we are getting these befuddling hints here and there.

I think they slept together. Remember that scene when she was drinking and asking advice in gisaeng about love? And gisaeng advising her to just love till the very end, no matter what, so she can understand the futility of love? Also remember that scene of Hee-soo looking at her own mirror reflection after they “did it”? This is a common theme in the romance genre of a no-longer-virgin looking at the reflection of her, contemplating a loss of virginity. I’ve read/seen that scene a million times in that genre.

However, it was weird that they showed them fully closed, with her hair done all neatly, afterwards. It was a bit too prim.

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Yeah, give me blatant confirmation like in Sam Soon when it’s clear that they “did it” so much that he got a nosebleed 🤣🤣🤣

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Or a hilarious “condom run” scene?

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@bomibeans right? Spell it out! 😆

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I wonder what happened to instigate that change around that time? Did the Korean Conservatives gain even more of an upper hand in their regulatory and culture wars? I wish I had an oracle to answer these kinds of questions as my Korean is not good enough to find out from any local sources.

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I speculate K-drama became a worldwide "blockbuster" that try to cater to all governments and ages, hence squeaky clean versions. I also wonder if catering to Chinese market also affected the way the k-drama is censored and marketed or even the way it looks. I'm curious about that too.

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Thanks for your interesting answer. You raise incisive but disturbing possibilities.

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Maybe. But I think they became more careful with the whole meetoo movement and feminist propaganda and when they stared to switch is about that time. And the fact that there are more women writers. It's better not to show it than get into trouble somehow. If you think about it, people have a problem with the hand grab and see it very intrusive. Makes me laugh sometimes because is like Joseon era, when even touching was considered a crime. We have the males ask for permission when all the signs are there that this is what she wants. We have even here, the female initiating the kiss, but of course not asking for permission per se, then him going for it.
Before when everything started, the writers and the directors had more freedom and were more in comand to do what they wanted and thought was right for the story. Now they have to think about the audiance's feelings and not to portray something that is not accepted. Probably that was the best time as far as quality, because they had the freedom to do anything.

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As an American, I turned to kdrama years ago because US television shows became so skanky one begins to feel like a voyeur.
We all have imaginations...

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The trend started way before MeToo movement. All "blockbuster" k-drama like BOF (2009) or My Love From The Stars (2014) were pretty clean. Because they were so successful on pan-Asian market, I'm only guessing everyone started emulating the looks of them. To the point that I was shocked with steamy scenes from What's Wrong My Secretary Kim (and those scenes pale in comparison to early-mid 2000's kdrama.) I don't think the makers of What's Wrong With Sec Kim expected their series to be such an international hit on their hands and didn't try to tone it down to please more conservative Asian markets and restrictive governments. Again, I'm only speculating.

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I hate how American shows treat sex in their shows. Like the characters do exercise squats because producer told them but it contributes zero to the development of the plot.

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Of course I am speculating also, I hope that I am allowed.
But from the beans chatter I understood that the chinese dramas don't shy away from it. I cannot say so because I have only watched a few of them. My take is that those two had such succes because of their charismatic leads and not because of the issue at hand. I think that should have they shown more, it would have been even bigger hits, something like WWWSK.
On the other hand, MDearest was not shy about it. It could be that it all depends on the ideology or the character or beliefs or the need to show it or hide it in that particular story of the writer/PD or even the actors involved.

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I know, right? Must be from the photokeratitis I got lately.

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It may be that current trends in K-dramas, lean towards more subdued portrayals of intimacy that could be linked to various factors such as evolving social norms that reflect a heightened sensitivity to modesty and conservatism, stricter censorship and broadcasting standards requiring filmmakers to imply rather than explicitly show intimate scenes and the need to cater to an international audience with diverse cultural sensibilities (Asian society may be more modest than European society). This subtler approach may result in portrayals of romance that appear more restrained (yawn), exemplified by less passionate kissing scenes (yawn) and the implication of sex rather than its explicit depiction.

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I understood that they did do it that night. There were a lot of signs as mentioned by other beanies.

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I love it that beanies just spent 12 posts debating the burning question of: "Did they or did they not do it?" 🤣

Of course they did - we are Asians pls. We wake up in bed, fully clothed and 9 months later, you see a baby in swaddling cloths. Tis brilliant lol

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Agree. In the Chinese period dramas I watched growing up, once you get down to your white undies you might as well be naked!! So I did understand them waking up in their white skivvies to mean that they did the deed.

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Hee-soo is turning over a new life but it is too late. Her stupid plans made me dislike her and it can't be changed now.
I found myself nodding when Hyun-bo told Myung-ha that lord Kim willingly believed Hyun-bo's lies to attack Lee In. Even if it weren't for Hyun-bo, lord Kim would do the same. Myung-ha is the worst and he will now threaten everything Lee In has been building up to give the throne to his nephew by his stupid actions.

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Myung Ha is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

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Yes, Minister Kim was out to get Lee-in and only needed the slightest encouragement/excuse. Myung-ha should have known that, but I guess he has selective amnesia. He only sees himself as the wronged person and can't get past that perspective.

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If Myung-ha has a sudden epiphany and somehow survives the whole thing at the end of this drama, I'll be heavily disappointed.

Other than that, I'm pleased with last week's episodes.

I can't believe we'll be having the finale this week.
I'll be officially entering a drama slump by next week if Queen of Tears doesn't hold me in.

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Plus one on hoping for Queen of Tears to meet or expectations. The teasers and posters turned out well. So, I wish it would be an interesting ride. They have one good pairing and adorable side characters. The writer and director are also good. So please let this one be a smooth sailing.

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Also, no murders, mysteries or affairs please.

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Or chaebol inheritance fights. Please, no more chaebol inheritance fights. 😕

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For chaebol inheritance fights -- pls move to Aisle No 5, where The Impossible Heir is playing on Disney+.

For Lee Jaw Wook alone (yes, our Ice Stone brooding hero of AoS!) - I am onboard this bloodbath.

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@joanna 😂 I had that drama in the back of my head when I wrote that. I hope it's the last one for a while. We've had enough in the last year!!

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@zindigo: "We've had enough in the last year!!"
You sounded like you had inheritance fights fatigue lol. I really couldn't remember all that many from 2023 - the last silly one being Story of Park's Marriage Contract in late Dec

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+2! Looking forward to the grand comeback of Kim Soo-Hyun.

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Is it just me or does this wonderful man and actor look somewhat not exactly like himself (Photoshop?) in this cut out screenshot I just made ? (trying to post it here .... ) ... which does not work : it's here too https://www.dramabeans.com/2024/02/awkward-dinners-with-in-laws-in-queen-of-tears/

the second TvN short and there on this YouTube cover photo as in this beanie article

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Myung-Ha is a loose cannon being only partially awake. I'm envisioning him going down for the count at the moment he finally realizes the truth.

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I suspect that Myung Ha will have an epiphany, but it will be too late. It is not fitting for him to survive, but at least he can die redeemed.

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Myung Ha is boring and uninteresting. Go away sir and I need him and Hyun Bo to be punished. As for Hee Soo, she has been getting away with MESS, that man loves her because....lol. That being said I still enjoyed these two episodes. As for this drama, although it isn't over JJS is KING literally and figuratively, without him this drama would have failed in spectacular fashion.

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word!

I actually took a break after the intense Eps 12, then dove into Jealousy Incarnate (starring JJS). I watched that 9 years ago when it first aired but didn't leave much of an impression on me.

But this time round - goodness, it was such a pleasure watching his crazy antics! A great romcom classic with many iconic scenes (the mudflat fight! the ice-cream fling! the cheesy dance moves! the chest gropes! and of course 51% vs 49%!)

The levity of JI is what helps me survive the court politics and counter-espionage backstabs in CTK 🤣🤣

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Bless you because I hate JI, in particular JJS's character, lol, so im glad you are loving it on rewatch, but I will stick to this and love him in this form.

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😂 He's quite an ass in JI, I concede! (hence the heated shipping wars & SLS)

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The scene that moved me the most this past week was Lee In's confession of his deep guilt over not honoring his brother's dying request directly. We finally see how that guilt has been impacting his mental and emotional state these past years. The story has focused primarily on the struggles of dealing with the treacherous ministers figuring out who is responsible for his brother's death, but behind all of it is that terrible guilt.

Also, shout out to the actor playing Lord Park. I think he's doing an incredible job with the shifting emotions on his face. He's made his character credible and truly hateable.

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Yes to Lord Park! His smug self-satisfaction face makes my blood boil, but then the fear and resentment and suspicion that suddenly ripples across his face makes me know that he is not as untouchable as he would like to believe - and that's so much more interesting. In fact, I would go as far as to say his facial changes are helping me keep on top of the direction of the palace politics - great help when the actual words can be hard to decipher (as you have to remember so many names, earlier agreements etc). Other dramas take note!

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The ones who were asking for better communcation between the leads got it big time. And then some. I felt that it was too much at once, cringey at some points, had to ff past it and come back later to watch it.
It was obvious that she will get the knife and I thought it was more believable the way it happened, with Dal-ha (got his name finally) attacking while they were standing rather than them walking towards him). But the execution looked cartonish, maybe because of the eye patch is so puffy and I get distracted by it that it makes me laugh everytime and I feel like pull it and slap him with it. Maybe is the acting or the editing, there was a big pause there and felt amateurish. It just didn't work for me.
And everything that we learned has turned up to be somewhat dissapointing to me. Pretty much dumbed him down also. It turns out that he was just as improvising along the way like her. It would have worked better for me if he was the mastermind of the whole thing, that he knew he was a she, that he would call her and use her to do what he guessed she would, that he would have found her and protect her also because of her father and not only because of his feelings. Even his taking the throne by not following the last words of his brother was presented as a way to save his life and not as a greater motive of finding a way to fullfill his brother's wishes. That came later for him after feeling guilty for some time.

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“ I thought it was more believable the way it happened, with Dal-ha (got his name finally) attacking while they were standing rather than them walking towards him).”

You are not the only one. But then, I keep forgetting that in dramaland, NO ONE possesses a peripheral vision. You can mame them from their backs all you want. 😂

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🤣🤣 True, but I choose to be fooled most of the times, I will buy almost anything if I am satisfied the way it is done. I mean, the whole dramaland is filled with out of this world crazy scenarios that we end up liking, now we will have a girl transformed in a chicken nugget. Chicken nugget? Hilarious! But this one simply failed, poor acting, poor coordination, first the frozen pause from the spy and then the freeze until the bodyguard showed up. Poorly done overall. And what's up with the bodyguard not knowing about the gender reveal? He was there that night, guarding those thin like paper doors. He must have been the most open minded joseon man alive. Even more than Lee In because he has no draw to it.

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Yup - horrific blocking by director. Was he on crack?
I was almost slack-jawed watching that blotched assassination gig.

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Director? What director? Maybe assistant directors because when looking at BTS videos everyone comes with ideas on the spot and changing things. The scene when she trips forward was originally in the script with her falling bacwards and SSK said that it was already done in the first episodes so they rehearsed it a couple of times right before filming it. Also, in this scene they were discussing it and adding/changing things on the spot. I know that some directors are not so strict with staff and cast but here it looks that is allowing too much involvement from the stars. Probably is the same with staff like make-up and wardrobe if you see the lipgloss on her or the eye-patch on her friend. I prefer one captain of the ship, like in Plato's analogy. As I write this I realized that probably I understand (not to be confused with agreeing) how people came about the main idea of neo-confucionism but got it so wrong in practice that even Joseon was not run by the king anymore and by the people under him. Along with the gender and class inequalities that they so wrongly and unjustly implemented that caused so many to suffer for centuries.

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I think Korean actors have a lot of freedom to choose their character style.

When the original story is from a webtoon, they need to follow the hair and clothes styles, but otherwise they chose their haircut and the clothes. Park Min-Young chose with her stylist the clothes for Marry My Husband.

In a sageuk, the clothes are made by the production, so I guess the make-up is still on the actor.

For the scenes, it's always like that. The PD + actors discuss about the scene, rehearse it and then film it.

Personally, I like when actors can give their opinion and the scene is the result of working together.

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And the whole Hee-soo's father story. They kept him hiding to reaveal that he actualy was released but choose to stay there as a spy? They didn't even bother to tell us on what basis was released so soon and how come he even was released since we were told that it was a serious crime. These mighty qings might have a heart of gold if they would release a criminal and a traitor along wth his spy so easily without any sort of ransom or tribute from the joseons. These qings are fools too, they are not even aware that now he is spying on them in their backyard. And he is there while his only daughter is nowhere to be found? That's a lot of boloney to digest.

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Did they say he was released? I thought he escaped when he was transferred to Beijing. And he stayed there undercover. Isn't it true?
I think when Mong Woo is transported to Qing she will disappear during transportation and assumed (maybe by manipulation by her father) dead.
The king will stay king for several years and when he leaves the throne for his nephew, he will meet her again.

I read that the scriptwriter wrote the script of the crowned clown. So I read the ending of the crowned clown on dramabeans and adapted this ending in a similar way.

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Oh before I forget Kim Myung Ha will change and side with the King. He will be forgiven. (Kdramas like to forgive).
The general and his side kick will be punished. If they don't punish the general the viewers will get mad. Thus they'll get their comeuppance.

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I watch it on Netflix and they have translated as such:
Lee In: "He was imprisoned in Shenyang and released while being transferred to Beijing. But instead of returning, he decided to hide his identity and stay in the Qing".
They used the word "released" so I assumed that he was released by them. Also, if he did escaped, the qings must have notified them and allert them to be caught upon returning home. I don't know if is the right translation but is what I understood.
About the ending, JJS sai in an interview that he remembers the cold rain in the last day of filming. He could be trolling us or we might get an unhappy ending that would go in line with the popular endings right now. One such ending could be for her to be the spy in Qings court, near her father and the court lady that replaced the princess. Duty before personal happiness sort of ending.

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Cold rain on last day:

Not necessarily the foreshadow of a sad ending. I think it will come full circle and bookend how their destined encounter first started --"The next time there is a Mongwoo (mist like drizzle) we shall meet to play baduk again."

It first happened end of Ep 2 - they met but didn't get to play (interrupted by Myung-ha)

Next, at exactly mid-point of arc (Ep8) -- when they stood out in the rain, drenched, and he told her as King that he likes him (her).

So it should fittingly close their story - where they finally meet again -- this time, truly as themselves without disguise, without a veiled agenda, and with their true names.

And they will finally play again because there is a Mongwoo.

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JJS once again did a marvelous job with the material tho I’m afraid the script did not do much favor to King’s character in these episodes. And the actress playing Lady Dong continues to impress. Her run-in with Mong-woo was a highlight. I’m in it for these two (and the little Prince), but I will give the script props for the high tension act. It does keep me on the edge of my seat. I was just waiting for the King and Mong-woo to be found out while embracing in the palace. After all, the plot does seem to rely a lot on eavesdropping and characters accidentally catching sight of what they shouldn’t have. LOL. I hope we have a memorable finale.

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So her “getting out of THAT” was taking a knife for the King (because of course, no one in dramaland has a peripheral vision or a good hearing.) Hmmm. In real situation, you’d expect people to just not engage with people who tried to kill you, even if they saved you from the killing they concocted in the first place and you’d be just running away in an opposite direction screaming. But ok, whatever.

I really have no strong emotions about these 2 episodes. They felt mellow, almost like I was watching a familiar family drama rather than sageuk. Even, when they finally talk it out between themselves (finally!) I didn’t harbor strong emotions. I felt the writer was now scoobie-doo-ing motivations instead of presenting a well-thought-out motives with elements of surprise. “I ONLY did this because I used you to appoint Prince as a Crown Prince.” “I ONLY tried to kill you because I knew I won’t be able to do it later.” It’s a bit…I don’t know…immature? But, ok, I guess, I’m down with this.

Lady Dong scenes continue to be the high-stake drama within the drama. Her insults carry weight. Though, and I’m not a chemist, if someone can die from poison just by touching the lips, suggesting high lethality in very small concentration, how come SHE does not get poisoned? Especially if the kiss is deep, and tongues are involved on both sides. Questions, questions.

I’m actually hoping for a happy ending. This drama was billed as “a tragic love story” but it carries neither of that doomed lovers epic vibes, but carries all the elements of high-school love story, played out by the King and cross dresser. I’m looking forward to a finale.

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The new openness between the king and Mong-woo was very welcome, I am not worried about future silly schemes from her. She paid for her stupidity with serious injury and sacrifice and was forgiven. This all went pretty fast, but I prefer this new state of affairs between the two.

I am not sure what to make of Inspector general Je-nam. He admitted to knowing about Mong-woo’s revenge plot, but he’d expected her to fail. Would such a failure not lead to punishment, normally execution? He did not seem to be very worried about this.

I have to congratulate Court Lady Dong to her robust health and being able to survive poisonous lip colour on her own lips! Poor woman, she is only being used by everybody around her. Nobody sees her as a person other than Mong-woo, the one person Lady Dong cannot like.

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Hold the phone! That is a GREAT point!! How is she surviving the poison on her own lips?! Sigh.

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Probably she took an antidote or has build up immunity. I don't think she is suicidal since she didn't die with the previou king. This is a plot seen in other dramas or movies, even in western ones since forever. Maybe @joanna will enlighten us later on.
But that is one thing done right in this, in my opinion. I am disapointed in me by not see it earlier although they showed us cleary the whole licking the bloody finger tips scene. They disguised it well with Lee In tasting the magic concoction the king was drinking and looking at it when his brother died.

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Zacklee! 🤣🤣

The first thought that crossed my mind as well: considering the porosity of the human skin, shouldn't Lady Dong get poisoned first? (unless poison is only activated by saliva lol)

Method of ingestion requires huge suspension of disbelief. Exactly how long do you have to kiss and swallow before that tiny smidgen of lipstick does its lethal hit?

For some toxins (like liquid mercury), oral ingestion can likely pass through our human bodies and leave us unharmed, but there was a 1996 case where just 1 drop of it touched a professor's rubber gloves. It penetrated the gloves, touched the skin, and sent her into a fatal coma a few months later.

In many cases, inhalation of the poison works way faster than oral ingestion (like if they had poisoned his regular herbal medicine -- which they won't cos Grand Prince Lee-In was then tasting it diligently for his elder brother the King)

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It begs the question of how much (or little) research the writer has done to come up with this plot device.

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I did a little. In some movies they use a protective layer directly on their lips before they apply the lipstick. That came up in an apparently true story, in the case of Baroness Carla Jenssen that wrote an all book on her career in espionage for Britain titled I, Spy. She used vaseline before she applied some sort of narcotics to knock off the victim in order for her to get what she needed from him.
Some guy on youtube went even further while trying to explain what Poison Ivy used in Batman. Robin used rubber lips to not get poisoned, I am not sure because I didn't see the movie, I guess to trick the audience. Apparently cynide would do it for a very quick kill in his oppinion. 🤷‍♀️ I will post some links for those interested.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lQHcdNT1PVM

https://www.coloradohistoricnewspapers.org/?a=d&d=LFL19320603-01.2.32&e=-------en-20--1--img-txIN%7ctxCO%7ctxTA--------0------

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Vaseline?!
That was hilarious, cos my 2nd thought (right after the porosity of skin) was: "Would a wax foundation on lips work? Nah.."

Should have followed my female intuition, I usually am right LOL 🤣🤣

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Re: "The new openness between the king and Mong-woo was very welcome, I am not worried about future silly schemes from her."
-- Finally I get to sing the chorus of Lorde's Team: "We're on each other's team..."
#TeamBadukFTW

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I do not understand Kim Myung Ha's motivations by siding with Hyun Bo and the Principal Director. If that is true and not a means to get revenge, he must be not right in the head and deserve to be hated by his nephew. He is putting his supposed beloved nephew in danger. That is after he found out HB's lies to his father. As of Hee Soo, She definitely needed to prevent the assassination at all cost and I do not feel bad that she got hurt by doing so. She has been getting away with a lot of things in this show.
Overall, it was a good set of episodes better than the previous week. Next week is bound to be better I hope when the King takes down the bad guy/s.

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I don't think he sided with the principal director. I think it is a ruse.

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I sure hope so. He is planning to do what HB did to him and his father

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@Maddy116 and @jillian

I also hope he is fooling Hyun-bo.

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That would be the only reason it would make sense for him to side with them. Otherwise, his character is a waste of screen time. 😆

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Usually, as we close in on the end of a drama, I stop liking it as much. It's still possible that all the resolution will happen in episode 15, leaving a flaccid and unnecessary tying of loose ends in episode 16. But these two episodes were so good and absorbing! I found myself suddenly caring so much about the usually incomprehensible political details, because their connection to human motivation was so much stronger. What does a contemporary viewer know of the difference between the influence of the Qing or the Ming on historical Joseon? But there is a big difference, for us, and for the FL lead who is standing in for us, whether the tortured ML was trying to protect his sweet, noble little nephew. Because I do think Hee-soo stands in for us, or at least for me. She feels sorry for Lady Dong, and so do I. She feels terrible that she led these two angry men to treason because she didn't understand that the king was protecting his nephew. I also feel sorry for both of them, that they operated without understanding. Even Myung-ha. I know you are all completely done with Myung-ha, but I think we've watched him get things wrong repeatedly--I feel bad for him. I'm not worried about any characters not being punished. They all seem to be in agony, all the time!

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Agree with you. I feel so much more compassion for the characters since last week when I suddenly had the epiphany that what happened 3 years ago was a mess of chaos, shock and trauma for many involved.

As Kierkegaard would say: Life can only be understood backwards, even though it has to be lived forward. They simply made choices and acted (often under duress of time, pressure and exigency of crisis) and often, without perfect knowledge.

In life, we all are doing the best we can, and so did the characters (though admittedly some, more so than others. Others, disastrously) So I don't fault them (even Lee-In) for looking like he was winging it and improvising on the fly. CAUSE he probably WAS.

And this is the difference between the rarefied mental gymnastics of a strategy board game played in serenity, and the blood, mess and chaos of real life in the crucible of trial.

When I was training, my swimming coach showed us a video of triathletes swimming in the open seas for the triathlon -- it was utter pandemonium and the swimmers started to break form in the waters.

He then said something unforgettable: "What's happening here is the breakdown of myelin - a sheath of fats that insulate our nerve fibers. The more you practice the same moves, the thicker your myelin sheath so that when you are in a crisis situation, you do not forget how to execute the moves or break down." And these are trained triathletes, mind you.

It's easy for me to be an armchair critic, but I am not entirely confident I won't make the same choices they did in that crucible -- Baduk geniuses not withstanding.

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@empressgirl I loved your comment so much! You cited Kierkegaard AND swimming! ♥ You gave me insight into why I liked these episodes more than the previous ones. It was like they gave us all insight into everyone's mistakes. Even Myung-ha's father looked better to me, because we learn that he was tricked into his political schemes.

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Regarding Myung-ha:

I haven't written him off, despite his faults. I do think that his perspective is so slanted that he doesn't allow himself to entertain other ideas and to question the wrong-doings of his father. It is simpler to blame someone else. And, yes, it would have been traumatic to see his father killed before his eyes. I wonder how his story will end.

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How do you think the drama will end?
I think it will go like this: King gets rid of the baddies from the court. kill or sends them into exile. Lady Dong will either kill herself or better yet, Lady Dong sacrifices herself saving King i dont know maybe from some last attack from Minister Park or HyongBoo. King holds her for the last time and she finally gets the recognition she needs from him. King has to stay on the throne a few more years until Lil Prince was mature enough, then passes the throne to him. Mong Woo will disguise herself or live as Hee Soo in the meantime, have their baby daughter and raise her, away from the King. Later King abdicates, Queen Dowager dies of old age. Finally free, Yi In joins her in countryside and they live happily ever after playing baduk!

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This sounds to me like the most likely scenario. Lady Dong is a tragic figure, she most likely will die. I don't envision our main leads dying, wouldn't make sense. But sometimes nothing makes sense in K-drama. I just don't get "fated lovers death" vibes from this drama to make that assumption. I think it's going to have HEA with a huge time-jump.

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I hope Lady Dong doesn't die. Appart from enjoying watching her, she was great in ep 14 and stole that episode in my oppinion, she is another sad character pushed to do heinous acts ot only by her captivation but also by people above her. The whole theme of this show is how can you become captivated, the bad decisions you can take while being in that madness buble but also how can you be understood and forgiven if the motives behind the madness were not driven by getting more power or by greed. And how to catch the mastermind and not their pawns and how to keep around those pawns to trap and catch those msterminds. I hope she gets caught amd is given a chance for redemption, much like Hee-so and Chu Dal-ha were given after almost killing Lee-In. We'll see if Myung Ha will get another chance if he doesn't do a 180 degree like Hyong Boo did in ep 4, because he got already too many chances already.

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I'm tired by how Hee-Soo thinks she's important and how she thinks people needs her to act. No! Stay away from politics!

I really like to see the policts in this drama because both parties are smart and it makes it suspensful.

Chu Dal-Ha could talk about the domestic directly to the King and when he was arreted... not waiting for days...

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That's kinda sexist. I mean, she is important. She's the daughter of the king's mentor and also learned from him. She earned ransom money for Korean captives in China playing baduk, at which she is apparently the best. She understands a lot. She's also not privy to critical information that would change her choices if she only knew it. In this, she's the same as every other character! The king, his brother the former king, Myung-ha and HIS powerful noble father--they have all had to make decisions and plot secretly around other people without knowing all the facts.

I know she looks like a total dweeb when she's in drag as Mong-woo, with her tiny frame, her dumb big eyes and her easy tears. The character is not meant to be a silly girl though--she's supposed to be a person with a good brain and a lot of physical and moral courage.

Honestly they could have picked a sturdier looking actress to play the role, to make her seem less like a damsel in distress. We saw in Knight Flower that Honey Lee played a very similar type of person--brave, bold, scheming, secret life in drag, etc. Also another character who had to act without enough information so that she made frustrating mistakes. But since the actor in that show is actually a strapping, athletic lady with a dimpled smile, I didn't feel sorry for her and she wasn't dweebily annoying. She also wasn't the king's fainting twink.

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It's not sexist. It's not about her sex but what she has done until now. And she didn't do anything great.

She was a noble woman who had a lot of chance because her dad gave her a lot of freedom. She is good at playing baduk but not with people. She has no idea about politics and sees herself above everybody. She was very lucky and was given a lot of chances but she acted stupidly and couldn't stop what she started.

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She is above everybody though. She's literally the main character. She's the smartest person in most rooms. She wins at a game that's being treated like an intelligence test. That's the premise of the story.

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Lol

Yeah, the premise, not what really happened.

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She did a pretty good job in this last episode showing how distressed she is by her past decisions. She seemed to me that she doesn't trust herself that much as before by the way she let Myung-Ha and Lady Dong bully and step all over her. She is vulnerable right now mentally and not only physically from her wound or possible pregnacy. She seems to be not so righteous and accepting flaws in people, as she was genuine in my opinion with Lady Dong.

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I want Court Lady Dong to be fully on the side of the King despite being rejected by him.

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I hope she won't go ahead with it, just like Hee-Soo did, and will stop and confess. She thought she could do it when facing Hee-Soo but I don't think she can do it facing him. Is just the way he sat on that throne, with his most manly sexy pose, kind of daring her to do it. I would like her to crumble and be his witness.

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THAT, and I kinda want him to mutter to her (very modernly):
"Close, but no cigar. Your lipstick is not hypoallergenic." 🤣🤣

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Yass same! She is unlikely to go through with it if the preview is any indication. Either she will do so on her own or Lee In will guilt trip her.

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I agree. The characterization and motivation of the FL is very lacking. She has no authority and unrealistic that her plan to go against the King has any chance of success. Even the Inspector General thinks so. She acts important but she is literally just a pawn of Chu Dal Ha and the King.

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Actually I am waiting for that ONE Baduk move @Joanna Empressgirl spoke about to become the theme of the last couple of episodes ... Empressgirl, I browsed sites re Baduk yesterday but could not find a name, do you know what that move would be called ? It seems you know how to play Go .... Here is what you said : « I especially want to see the baduk move where a stone can be surrounded on all fronts by enemy stones and yet NOT be captured. There is only one such game scenario. Fingers crossed! »

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https://gomagic.org/how-to-play-go-rules/
-- See Rule No. 6 "The Magic of Two Eyes"

http://english.baduk.or.kr/sub02_02.htm?menu=f12
-- See: "Life & Death and the Concept of Eyes"

I actually don't play Go or Baduk myself though the game originated from our ancestors lol

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Thank you Empressgirl, @Joanna , much appreciated!

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Also, I tried to find more info re the scriptwriter which is almost impossible bare that she authored or c-authored « Crowned Clown » but then I found a video re the press launch and there shakanim (however you would transcribe that in English) is presented as well. Put the Video through Sonix AI but had no time yet to to use the next step, Google Translate on what Sonix transcribed (with 86 per cent confidence). She appears to be quite a grey person, I found, quite different from the writer of « My Dearest » , but that's just a superficial impression by her looks.

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Oh, why I looked her up .... it's not to make the comment that she looks mousy, but rather I wanted to find out more info re her as "scriptwriter" .... because thinking about the art of writing, and a script in particular, this story is quite unique I find. Apparently Crowned Clown was too, built on the success of Masquerade from 2012. So I got intrigued about the person who came up with this idea of baduk as a leitmotiv for a 16 eps. sageuk. I'll post eventually what I found on my Fanwall, so people can check. It's sad that we cannot get deeper information on the talent behind the series we are watching. The networks only focus on the leads in most cases.

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Well, all the big secret is out now since the drama is nearing the end. Father is alive! A bit disappointed with how they deal with Mong woo being revealed to be Lord Kang Hang Soon's daughter tho. The special firearm unit must be the most loyal and best at keeping secret since Lee In didn't have problem confessing his big secret so close with the gate :P Also, it is nice to see Leemong finally hug each other. That and then the episode ended with scene of the kiss of death from Court Lady Dong. Hope the last two episode could live up with the expectations and can wrap the story nicely... or amazingly!

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