You can only pick one: Sageuk
by DB Staff
You can only pick one, and boy the pressure is on. The DB team will answer a new prompt in each post, and you’re invited to do the same in the comments. Ready to play?
You can only pick one sageuk (historical drama)
quirkycase: My absolute favorite sageuk has to be Nokdu Flower. Beyond the high quality of the storytelling, acting, and production, it depicts a historical period that isn’t the usual focus for sageuks. I didn’t know anything about the Donghak Peasant Revolution before this drama, but it’s a moving piece of history that was fascinating to learn about. Unlike the usual 50+ episode count for sageuks, this one clocks in at 24 episodes, so it stays tight and well-paced. I sometimes find the palace politicking tiresome in sageuks, so I loved that Nokdu Flower is more social than political in nature. Think freedom fighting and social unrest as opposed to men in winged hats arguing. Be prepared to feel stirring emotions and to get that beautiful “Blue Bird” song stuck in your head for weeks.
mistyisles: I think this is the hardest You Can Only Pick One prompt yet! I can’t possibly name only one sageuk as my *favorite* over the others, so I guess I’ll just pick one to highlight that I haven’t written about recently: Rebel: Thief Who Stole the People. It’s an epic fairytale with a fabulous cast and a stirring OST, and I still catch myself thinking about some of its most powerful scenes at really random times, even years later! It also struck me as one of the only sageuks I’d seen at the time wherein the characters actually sing (and boy do they sing!). It does start off a little slow, but once the main story gets going the buildup and eventual payoff is so, so worth it.
solstices: There are a number of strong contenders, but the one that stands out the most to me would be Six Flying Dragons. From its stellar cast to its evocative soundtrack, this drama was polished from start to finish. I don’t think I can even begin to sum up the immense scale of the hope and tragedy that this show delivered; it was a deeply moving tale of humanity, loyalty, and a dream of a brighter future. Muyiyiya remains one of my favorite drama OSTs of all time — Byun Yo-han’s voice is as poignant as his acting — and Yoon Kyun-sang’s impassioned roar of “Warrior Moo-hyul!” will always bring a fond smile to my face. Plus, this drama was my introduction to the amazing Han Ye-ri — her layered portrayal and graceful sword fighting instantly turned me into a fan. I could sing a million praises about Six Flying Dragons and it still wouldn’t be enough.
Unit: Hands down, Empress Ki (which I think is Ha Ji-won’s finest work till date)! Whether as a “man” or as a maid, a consort and finally the empress, her journey wasn’t smooth. But if there’s one person who’ll use the stones that trip her feet to build a palace, it’s Empress Ki. And to oppose her at every turn, the drama gave us formidable villains in El Temur (and sons), the dowager, and Baek-an. Not these caricature kinda villains that now populate the sageuk space. I love almost everything about the drama from the plot to the palace politicking and scheming, to the OSTs and the costumes (the Goryeo era will always be superior to the Joseon era). My favorite character asides the empress was Tal Tal (I even shipped them at some point) and my least favorite was the spineless emperor. I only liked him because he was played by Ji Chang-wook. Heh. Btw, I’ve rewatched all 51 episodes of the drama three times. And each time, I relieve the pain of having spoiled the identity of the Eagle House boss for myself on my first watch. *Sob* I should probably add that it took me two weeks to move on when I first watched the drama.
Dramaddictally: At the risk of having pitchforks thrown at me, I’ll admit I don’t really like sageuk. Modern romance is more my thing, but there are a few historical dramas that have captured my heart and The King’s Affection sits at the top of that list. NGL, I went into this drama with my eyes on Rowoon and came out with them fixed on Park Eun-bin (which is probably true of everything I’ve ever seen her in because she always steals the show). Here, she portrays the prince with such complicated strength and beauty, it’s hard not to fall for her character — the same way Rowoon does, even when he thinks she’s a man. The thing I love most about this story of gender-role reversals is that we get a lead couple that seems highly modern in their egalitarianism. They’re equals when they sword-fight the villains, when they develop complex schemes, and when they confess their feelings. The heroine breaks the mold in this one — not only because she’s pretending to be a man — but because she’s dedicated to discovering her true self, no matter how long she’s forced to play the role of someone else.
alathe: Favorite sageuk? Well, I don’t know… there are so many to choose from, and — okay, no, I can’t even pretend. It’s Six Flying Dragons, folks. It was never not going to be Six Flying Dragons. Have I mentioned that I really love Six Flying Dragons??? From start to finish — and boy, that’s a long journey — it’s a show practically tailor-made for me. It has convoluted political scheming and fraught ideological debates! It has impeccably characterized anti-villains for whom I’ll cheer till the bitter end! It has swords! But, above all, it has nuance. Of all the sageuks I’ve loved, it’s one of the best I’ve seen at grappling with the sheer hugeness of history. It juggles an immense ensemble cast, all of whom are constantly at political odds with one another, and most of whom are so very easy to adore. This isn’t a show with easy answers. In fact, as you’d expect from a story all about the ruthless rise of King Taejong, it takes moral absolutes and bludgeons them to death atop a bridge at night. And, what’s more, it’s entirely justified in doing so. (As was Bang-won. I will not be taking questions.) I gave this series fifty hours of my life, plus a significant portion of my soul — and, if asked, I’d do it all over again.
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Tags: Empress Ki, Nokdu Flower, Rebel: Thief Who Stole the People, Six Flying Dragons, The King's Affection, You can only pick one
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1 jerrykuvira
May 2, 2023 at 5:13 PM
the Goryeo era will always be superior to the Joseon era
Very true words @unit . I most certainly agree with you.
My one Saguek pick will be Queen Seondeok. One thing I like about sagueks is the political play that's playing out. The moves and all. It's in Queen Seondeok I first learnt about the horizontal and vertical division of the world(And I read up on it more). Watching Queen Seondeok was like taking a class on how to survive in a cutthroat world, how to not get absorbed in power trips. And teach me it did. Queen Seondeok was a flawless production for me, and I've seen similar productions come close to that or even match it. However, the lessons I took from it is a league of its own. Others have given me lessons, Queen Seondeok's stand out more prominent.
Honorable Mentions:
Bloody Heart
Iron Empress
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2 VulpineKL
May 2, 2023 at 5:26 PM
hands down
100 days my prince
my first Saguek kdrama i ever completed watching
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Britney
May 2, 2023 at 8:50 PM
Oh I liked that show too!
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3 aicaramba
May 2, 2023 at 5:41 PM
I'm team Six Flying Dragons, too!!! Everything @alathe and @solstices said plus:
-it follows a very interesting point in Korean history (the establishment of Joseon, in case anyone's curious)
-it manages to both tell a great story and an excellent character study of Lee Bang Won
-they say history is written by the winner, but it showed how history is just life happening to people and how we try to make the best decisions based on what we believe is right. And that there are no villains, just people with different ideologies and objectives.
-it explores gray areas beautifully and spotlights the characters' morality without judgement, therefore challenging the viewers'. I spent a lot of time trying to decide right or wrong in this show! It would make a great subject in an ethics class where the students could argue one side and then another for hours.
Intelligent, heartfelt, heart-rending -- excellent production all around. Aaaaaaaah this makes me want to rewatch, but I don't know if I have 50 hours to spend!
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4 Lonestar Girl
May 2, 2023 at 5:41 PM
@dramaddictally, I’ll take the heat off you and have the pitchforks thrown at me instead. I did not enjoy SIX FLYING DRAGONS. Admittedly, it’s probably because at the time it aired, my Western centric brain knew practically nothing about Korean history and I was lost. But I do remember the high quality production, and another stellar performance by Yoo Ah In.
Since then, I have come to really enjoy the sageuks (and I’ve brushed up on Korean history) and there are so many good ones that makes this difficult.
I know I’m still not doing myself any favors here, but I’m going with MR QUEEN. I know, I know, it was not perfect, and it blended genres, but it captured my attention and my heart. I think because the palace politics and intrigue were tempered with humor. I find that helpful, no matter the genre. Of course it goes without saying that Shin Hye Sun’s performance was brilliant, and the chemistry between she and Kim Jung Hyun was off the charts.
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aicaramba
May 2, 2023 at 5:51 PM
*Throws pitchfork at you!* Lol
Jk. I enjoyed Mr. Queen, too :D
Just wondering... Did you manage to sit through all 50 episodes of Six Flying Dragons?! I mean I wouldn't do that for a show I didn't enjoy.
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Lonestar Girl
May 2, 2023 at 5:58 PM
It’s been a while, but I think I did watch all of them. It’s not that I hated it, I just didn’t understand what was going on half of the time. But the performances were great and I wanted to know what happened to Yi Bang-won. Lol, I was so ignorant. 🤦🏻♀️
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aicaramba
May 2, 2023 at 6:19 PM
Right, hard to watch without context! The recaps by @javabeans and @headsno2 were very helpful ❤️
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Lonestar Girl
May 3, 2023 at 10:09 AM
Thanks to this exchange, I finally remembered the real reason I watched all 50 episodes. I have a cousin who LOVES Yoo Ah In. At the time SFD aired - 2015? - neither one of us knew anyone else who watched dramas. So, she made me watch SFD and Jang Ok-jung with her so she could have someone to talk to about them. My lack of knowledge and search for understanding was what led me to DB, so full circle!
drabea
May 11, 2023 at 10:39 AM
Besides DB, I spent a lot of time in WIKI learning about the real characters and other historical matters.
Islander north
May 3, 2023 at 8:48 AM
I had to stop watching last 6 episodes or so as it was getting too depressing, I knew the history. Otherwise, enjoyable.
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5 miso
May 2, 2023 at 5:42 PM
I agree with all the love for Six Flying Dragons. Tight storytelling, despite the 50 episodes, with so many scenes that have stayed with me years later. Yoo Ah-in was fantastic and Byun Yo-han's singing still gives me goosebumps. Excellence from beginning to end.
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6 nokdudu
May 2, 2023 at 5:56 PM
fifty hours of my life, plus a significant portion of my soul — and, if asked, I’d do it all over again.
Ah me too, me too, @alathe. I was just thinking about SFD today so this came at a perfect time. (Then again, it's not a rare day for me to be thinking about SFD) :)
It's my choice too, though there are many I haven't gotten to yet! So appreciate all the picks here. God, I love a sageuk. Not sure I'd give an arm but I'd definitely give *something* for them to start making more of them in the realm of the epic ones listed here.
And MORE GORYEO!
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wonhwa
May 3, 2023 at 9:31 AM
Yes please to more non-Joseon sagueks! The guys get great hair and the women actually get to do things (like run the country and all).
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nokdudu
May 3, 2023 at 12:14 PM
Two incredibly compelling reasons!
I still always at least tune in for a while to the "we're being silly in Joseon!" fusion sageuks that come out like hot cakes these days in hopes of finding a gem but my goodness...I think we've had enough for a while 😵
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7 Linarrick
May 2, 2023 at 6:00 PM
I know I’ll love Nokdu Flower, and in fact I already started it, however the subject matter makes it hella depressing to watch, still it has such a superb cast and will undoubtedly be a favourite once I actually finish it.
For now I have to say The Princess’ Man, I watched this a long time ago, before finding out the male lead actor is a horrible person. Tho I can’t deny it was a gripping watch from beginning to end.
Honourable Mentions:
Under The Queen's Umbrella
Kim Hye-soo & Kim Hae-sook ‘nuff said
The Tale of Nokdu
It wasn’t tonally consistent but gosh darn did I love the martial art fight scenes! Also a big shout out to actually having a complex villain! Which has become something of a rarity in kdramaland recently.
A great performance by Kang Tae-oh, funny his image has been that of a soft boy when his performance of Cha Yool-moo was a ruthless but very compelling villain. Who I must say was still very darkly charming and charismatic. Maybe that’s the problem kdramaland has been having recently? Are they too scared to make their villains complex because that could humanise them and making them appealing?
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DancingEmma
May 2, 2023 at 10:00 PM
Oh, Kang Taoh was a compelling villain for sure in the Tale of Nokdu. I would say even scary.
And, how much do I love “Mrs Kim”? So so much. Jang Dongyoon as Mrs Kim is my happy pill.
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Linarrick
May 2, 2023 at 11:44 PM
Cha Yool-moo is probably one of favourite villains of all time. Dong-Ju was never engaged and was always disinterested when it came to him. The drama not only showed the horrors of unrequited love/abuse from men who can’t seem to let go but show also didn’t put the onus or burden on her to change him. The fact his ‘love’ was never going to override his power hungry ambitions was the whole point and something a certain massive western franchise couldn’t understand and got completely wrong and instead romanticised *sigh*
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DancingEmma
May 3, 2023 at 2:06 AM
@linarrick: Thanks for making that wonderful comment. I totes agree. And, I think I know what you are referring to cryptically but am too tired to know for
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nokdudu
May 3, 2023 at 6:03 AM
The Tale of Nokdu is a fave of mine too (points to my username!) :) You're so right about the difference having a complex and interesting villain makes in shows like these and Kang Tae Oh NAILED it. And I agree recent kdramas (and fusion sageuks in particular) are realllly lacking that.
Not a sageuk but I always think about how this was a major issue in the hugely popular Alchemy of Souls—the villains were so cartoonish and unbelievable. And in the recent crop of sageuks (Joseon Attorney, Our Blooming Youth, etc.) the baddies have just been baddies...pretty blah.
I want some more villains I can love to hate, not hate to hate 😛
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DancingEmma
May 3, 2023 at 12:22 PM
@nokdudu: You’re so right about the Alchemy of Souls. Not only the villains were conceived and written poorly but it looked like the actors were told to consistently overact and chew the scenery. It was ridiculous. But I still miss Mudeok. What a great job Jung Somin did in bringing her to life.
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ar_arguably romantic
May 3, 2023 at 4:19 PM
I think they could have had a compelling one in the shaman. Like at the end of part 1, we had her calling out the characters on their hypocrisy of bending the rules for themselves. But the show kept on shoving Jin Mu down our throats and then tried to sell us on the vain queen.
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nokdudu
May 3, 2023 at 4:58 PM
Great point!! I totally forgot about that honestly. Jin Mu was fun for a little while but impossible to take even slightly seriously. And the vain queen storyline was as shallow as a kids' pool—didn't like that at all 😓
nokdudu
May 3, 2023 at 4:56 PM
I had fun with AOS despite it all and have a soft spot for the cast but yeah...'ridiculous' for better or worse pretty much covers it 😅
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Islander north
May 3, 2023 at 8:51 AM
Was Park Si hoo convicted or was this rumor? I see a lot of Korean actors subject to all kinds of rumor.
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ar_arguably romantic
May 3, 2023 at 4:15 PM
For the first half of the drama, he really did seem like a second male lead in a rom-com who gets hilariously entangled with the male lead dressed as a widow, so it was extra surprising that he was a baddie. I guess some may have been suspicious of him since he was a historical figure with an unflattering reputation.
It's just harder to make villains complex, because then the heroes and the plot have to be complex too. Also, I think we're approaching an increasingly polarized world in terms of the positions we take on what is right and moral and acceptable. We're boiling people down to just a handle of things they've said or done.
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8 KS stuck on 🥰 Aegiya KHAAJA🥰
May 2, 2023 at 6:06 PM
my one and only one Saeguk is...
Jewel in the palace.. aka Dae Jang Geum.....
its drama that helped me during my hard times, it was the drama which gave me so much strength, taught me to be sef dependent, was my cying buddy... and so much more memories i have of him..
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KS stuck on 🥰 Aegiya KHAAJA🥰
May 3, 2023 at 2:18 AM
so after giving away my one n only one... i read so many replies with the shows which i love too so here my list too
1. joseon Attorney
2. Painter of the wind
3. Arang n magistrate
4. iljimae
5. Rookie historian Goo Hae Reyong
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wheguhreh
May 4, 2023 at 2:22 PM
Dae Jang Geum and Painter of the Wind were both excellent, so couldn't agree with you more on those two! I'm still on the fence about watching the others you named but perhaps someday.
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9 lapislazulii
May 2, 2023 at 6:08 PM
Oh gosh ok well Goblin came to mind first but that doesn't count as a sageuk so - Scarlet Heart Ryeo! Flawed yes but a gripping story with a fantastic cast big YES 😍
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10 lovehaydn
May 2, 2023 at 6:14 PM
oh god oh god oh god.
MY TIME HAS COME.
As someone who's been watching kdrama's since a wee-babe... and grew up in a history-loving household... SAGEUK's were a must watch every week. One of my first k-dramas EVER was actually Taejo Wangun. ^^
my top faves:
1) Damo - a masterpiece in my book. the OST is still my favorite to this day. the only CD version OST I ever bought in my life too. LOL
the acting, the story, the directing, the cinematography (for its time) was just *chefs kiss*
2) DaeJangGeum - I still rewatch this once a year. Just for funsies. It's just such a classic and the food porn is top notch LOL
3) Tree With Deep Roots + Six Flying Dragons - I think this one is a no-brainer. But I absolutely love MooHyul in both versions <3
4) Jumong - I would religiously wait every Mon-Tues to watch this with my family. and yes we watched all 80+ episodes without skipping a SINGLE episode... #priorities LOL also, I never knew how invested I would be in the storyline with how to advance sword-making XD
Honorable Mentions:
Queen Seondok - Lady Misil is still hands down, the best villain ever. & Bidam was hot. LOL 'nuff said.
does... KINGDOM count? cuz it should :D
I could write a freaking essay just on that series LOL
OK i will scamper back into my drama hole now. heh
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Snow Flower
May 3, 2023 at 10:28 AM
Yes!!! Greetings from a fellow Damo fan!
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Snow Flower
May 3, 2023 at 2:24 PM
I would definitely read an essay in Kingdom!
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Snow Flower
May 3, 2023 at 2:25 PM
On Kingdom, not in!
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Qingdao: likes scented candles
May 3, 2023 at 3:58 PM
Kingdom is out for me--it is horror. After trying three times, I just can't get past all the zombies. All that icky eating noise with aerial shots of zombies eating a person like pigs lined up at a feed trough--YUCK!
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nokdudu
May 3, 2023 at 4:59 PM
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kiara
May 3, 2023 at 9:12 PM
Nice to meet someone else who's familiar with "Taejo Wangun"! I actually watched all 200 episodes and I'm really thankful to @mrskorea for translating the show. The pre-Goryeo history was a bit unclear, but the writers were transparent about it in the commentaries.
You might be interested to know that there's a similar list to yours on the OST thread. It's almost always a guarantee that great sageuks will have an equally great OST.
"Kingdom" qualifies as a sageuk, it's not quite the typical sageuk that we're used to seeing.
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11 mk
May 2, 2023 at 6:20 PM
Six Flying Dragons will always be #1 in my heart.
Honorable mentions: Chuno, Bloody Heart, Bossam
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Firewife5
May 2, 2023 at 6:37 PM
Chuno was my 2nd choice!
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Snow Flower
May 3, 2023 at 10:38 AM
Chuno is my Number One sageuk!
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12 Firewife5
May 2, 2023 at 6:36 PM
The Princess’s Man, most definitely. I lived for this drama when it was airing, and it’s the only Kdrama I actually own on dvd. Yes, it had a lot of palace politics and talking hats sitting around plotting, but it did such a great job of making me invested in the outcome of the plotting and how it would impact the characters I cared about.
It left me with an appreciation for Moon Chae Won that still exists to this day, even though I honestly haven’t enjoyed many of her dramas since. I haven’t watched the drama in years, due to the ML ‘s disgrace, but it’s still the first Sageuk that came to mind for me.
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13 OldLawyer
May 2, 2023 at 6:47 PM
So many great ones to choose from. I might think differently if I had been able to watch SIX FLYING DRAGONS but it just is not available.
So, among the many that I have watched one stands out for the sheer quality of its drama: KING OF TEARS: LEE BANG WON. This show is historical tragedy as Shakespeare would have written it if he were writing Kdramas (think HAMLET as an example of what I mean). To me this story of the founding of Joseon actually shows the reason why it was such a dead end as dynasties go- it was totally flawed from its very beginning. If other shows like THE RED SLEEVE CUFF show us anything it is that in Joseon everyone, up to and including the king himself, were like flies caught in the amber of Neo-Confucianism
QUEEN SEONDEOK is a great Pre-Goryeo drama that people should see - definitely another great one, as is Empress Ki (which is set in the final years of the Goryeo era- and with most of the story is actually in China).
I do hope that we will get more Goryeo and pre-Goryeo Sageuks (QUEEN SEONDEOK is set in Silla- she was one of three queens who actually ruled over that country- and her Astronomical Observatory still stands- the oldest observatory in all of Eastern Asia).
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glenlake8
May 2, 2023 at 10:22 PM
How is it that no service carries Six Flying Dragons considering how popular it was in the U.S.? I greatly enjoyed what I watched but I missed several episodes when it aired originally.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 2, 2023 at 10:40 PM
I saw it’s on YouTube as The roots of throne.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 2, 2023 at 10:41 PM
Sorry that’s the other name that came up when googling Six flying dragons
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Babylilo
May 4, 2023 at 4:56 AM
I couldn’t find full episodes on YouTube under either title, but I DID find another sageuk I can’t get through other services here in the US: THE THREE MUSKETEERS. I’ll be starting it tonight! ⚔️
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 4, 2023 at 5:42 AM
Oh, sorry I thought it was full epsiodes. Oh wow, bonus watch. Did you try Viki to see if Six Flying Dragons is in your region as well as Europe now that it has popped up recently?
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mimilavender
May 3, 2023 at 2:09 AM
If you have Viki you might be able to see it if you're interested. It wasn't available there before, but I found it a few weeks ago. Probably because Netflix's deal ended? I have both Netflix and Viki. I am in Europe btw.
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amfalulawatching
May 3, 2023 at 5:17 AM
i had planned to watch Six Flying Dragons when I found it on Viki, but I wasn't fast enough and it is no longer available in the US. Viki doesn't give any warning so I am always concerned about starting an older/long dramas on the platform. I have Netflix and Viki too but in US.
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Isa is always time travelling
May 3, 2023 at 6:15 AM
I still have to watch the second half of Six Flying Dragons before Viki decides to remove it from the European Zone. It can be any moment and as you say, without any warning.
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amfalulawatching
May 3, 2023 at 6:35 AM
Watch fast! I've had shows stop being available mid watch and I'm so sorry I missed Six Flying Dragons especially reading all these recommendations. 😢
OldLawyer
May 3, 2023 at 6:45 AM
That just happened to me a couple of weeks ago with EMERGENCY COUPLE
bong-soo
May 4, 2023 at 9:04 AM
2022 gave us two top notch sageuk/historical dramas.
1. KBS’s THE KING OF TEARS, LEE BANG WON (2021/22) (32 eps) (Viki US) and
2. tvN’s UNDE THE QUEEN’S UMBRELLA (16 eps) (Netflix US).
Both are in my top ten sageuks.
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OldLawyer
May 4, 2023 at 9:40 AM
UNDER THE QUEEN'S UMBRELLA was excellent.
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wheguhreh
May 4, 2023 at 2:27 PM
I think Hwangjini also is from the same period as Queen Seonduk, though I could be mistakenly remembering since it's been a while.
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ar_arguably romantic
May 4, 2023 at 5:33 PM
Hwang Jini was sort of mid-Joseon, so maybe about 800 years before?
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14 too_much_tv
May 2, 2023 at 7:11 PM
I don't think I can only pick one. I haven't seen enough of them to know which one is the best, and I have only the dimmest sense of historical accuracy most of the time. But OK, did beanies like My Country: The New Age with Yang Se Jong, Woo Do-Wan, Kim Seol-hyun and Jang Hyuk as the terrifying prince? A lot of heroism and a lot of suffering.
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lapislazulii
May 2, 2023 at 7:35 PM
I loved My Country! It would've been/is my second pick for sure - honestly the only bit that I found unnecessary was the love story but the main trio were FANTASTIC (and omg the ending, I didn't see that coming at all).
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May 3, 2023 at 5:55 AM
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Snow Flower
May 3, 2023 at 10:43 AM
I liked My Country too! Nothing beats torturous bromance and a conflicted villain.
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15 amfalulawatching
May 2, 2023 at 7:18 PM
I don't know if I can just pick one, and there are so many I've still yet to see (Six Flying Dragons). When a Sageuk is good it somehow transcends all other dramas. I'm going cheat and go with two, Painter of the Wind and Return of Iljimae. Both older dramas yet both quite daring particularly in how they approach female roles and sexuality. The older dramas seem much more daring then the newer works. Both of these dramas when distilled are really about making/experiencing art which is why I think I am so partial to them. So many other great dramas have been mentioned including Chuno and Empress Ki. I'll add that Dong Yi has one of the most romantic scenes I have watched in all of dramaland. Just today I started a rewatch of Haechi because I was too tired to start a new drama---a very underwatched drama that has much depth. So many dramas to watch, so little time!!!
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wonhwa
May 3, 2023 at 9:37 AM
I adore both Painter of the Wind and Return of Iljimae, and agree that they are both criminally underrated and incredibly daring in their depictions of gender and sexuality. Also, they're both gorgeously filmed and radically depart from standard tropes.
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16 velvetstuff
May 2, 2023 at 7:20 PM
It hurts my heart to choose! But nothing can beat Six Flying Dragons. The moment the people lifted up Sambong and started to sing, I knew it would be a favorite. I was so moved, and it was such a powerful scene.
The actors did such a fantastic job, and every performance stood out. Every character was interesting >> Gil Tae Mi and Cheok Sa Gwang!!
And then the production! 50 episodes, more than twenty weeks of tuning in, and I never got bored. Every episode was well crafted. I think there was one episode in the middle that dragged, but that's all. Unbelievable quality!!
Runner Ups: Seven Day Queen! 100 Days My Prince. And among fusion, Mr Queen and Sungkyunkwan Scandal (though I can never rewatch it again).
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velvetstuff
May 2, 2023 at 7:34 PM
Reading everyone's posts, there's so many I missed! And so many I still need to watch (Princess Man, I've wanted to watch it for so long, but I can't anymore bc of ML)
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velvetstuff
May 2, 2023 at 7:36 PM
Tale of Nokdu, Red Sleeve Cuff.
I loved Goddess of Fire as well!
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wheguhreh
May 4, 2023 at 2:29 PM
Goddess of Fire was indeed so good!
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Linarrick
May 2, 2023 at 7:48 PM
Seven Day Queen! Another of my favourites!
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bbstl 🧹
May 3, 2023 at 4:33 PM
Gil Tae Mi pushes SFD over the edge into my Favorite! Gotta love a sageuk with not one but TWO “best swordsman in the country”. And, of course, the eye shadow. Plus, as you say, the singing. Oh, and Byun Yo Han doing anything 😍 swoon.
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17 beffels
May 2, 2023 at 7:55 PM
If we’re talking straight up sageuk and not fusion then I can only pick Six Flying Dragons because….
It is the only one I have watched 😅 and even then not to completion because it left Netflix and became inconvenient to access. But the first half that I did see, I really enjoyed.
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18 Bunny Sonaki
May 2, 2023 at 8:13 PM
Sageuks is my favorite genre so this one is pretty hard. I got a lot of recommendations from the comments and I think I might be watching them soon as I am totally in the mood for watching a new Sageuk.
I will choose the one that kept me on the edge of my seat, Queen Love and War. Runner up is Bossam Steal the fate.
Other dramas I totally love
The King's Affection
Red Sleeve Cuff
Bloody Heart
Under The Queen's Umbrella
Empress Ki
Gu Family Book (if it counts)
Jang Ok-jung living in love
Moon Lovers
Hwarang
100 Days My Prince
Mr Sunshine
Nokdu Flower (It gave me a depression)
Flower Crew Joseon Marriage Agency (underrated)
Mr Queen
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Ally
May 2, 2023 at 9:26 PM
I loved Bossam as well. I have so many I love, it’s hard to choose a favorite!
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Bunny Sonaki
May 2, 2023 at 10:13 PM
Yeah. How can we choose only one when there are too many amazing stories be it true history mixed with fiction or fusion sageuk? I feel like I get enchanted by hanboks, hairpins, ornaments, and political scheming of that era that I can't help but start watching any sageuk drama I stumble across.
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bbstl 🧹
May 3, 2023 at 4:35 PM
Thank you, I am also highly distracted by hair ornaments, hanbok, fabrics and the embroidery!
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19 sailorgirl
May 2, 2023 at 8:16 PM
The Red Sleeve Cuff is such an easy pick for me and one of my favourite dramas all around.
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Lonestar Girl
May 3, 2023 at 10:12 AM
The Red Sleeve Cuff is my second favorite.
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20 Midnight
May 2, 2023 at 8:39 PM
DAE JANG GEUM
NOKDU FLOWER
THE PRINCESS'S MAN
FAITH
THE THREE MUSKETEERS
And my recent favorite SECRET ROYAL INSPECTOR AND JOYI
Can't choose, sorry. I like that the prompt pick only one spurs me to look through my list more carefully and become more biased toward those I have loved 😆
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sailorgirl
May 2, 2023 at 9:13 PM
Faith is so good!!
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Suzeso
May 3, 2023 at 1:10 AM
Secret Royal Inspector currently sitting in my watch list. I think I will give this one a go.
Thanks
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Diana Hansen
May 3, 2023 at 8:43 AM
Dae Jang Geum is such a classic! And one of the first saeguks that had me entralled with start to finish!
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21 Britney
May 2, 2023 at 8:48 PM
I don't really like sageuks so when I watch them it's not strictly historical. Does Alchemy of Souls count? I'm torn between that and Gu Family Book. Leaning slightly more towards Alchemy of Souls though.
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parkchuna 🍉
May 3, 2023 at 8:05 AM
Wow AoS didn’t even cross my mind for this! I know it was deemed as fusion sageuk here but it honestly just felt like a fantasy drama in traditional costumes 😆
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ar_arguably romantic
May 3, 2023 at 4:27 PM
I feel like AoS shouldn't count since it had zero ties to any real historical dynasty. It took place in a fictional country. Gu Family Book may be able to count if they've mentioned Joseon or Korea at least once.
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22 pickleddragon
May 2, 2023 at 9:12 PM
This is a post that's giving me serious FOMO. My sageuk allergy (*ducks from all pitchforks*) has meant that I've hardly watched any, and enjoyed even less. I guess I will have to try some of these again.
That said, I must mention BLOODY HEART from 2022 (and was - surprisingly - my kdrama of the year), which I enjoyed from start to finish, for Kang Hanna and Hang Hyuk (will ignore Lee Joon because he shouldn't have been there).
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Bunny Sonaki
May 2, 2023 at 10:11 PM
Yeah, it was a game of go between Kang Hanna and Jang Hyuk where we could simply go without the king.
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23 WaterBottle
May 2, 2023 at 9:49 PM
Warrior Baek Dong-Soo.
The plot was a hot mess, but the rest of it was so great that I don't even care.
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Snow Flower
May 3, 2023 at 10:23 AM
Yes!!! The music is great too! I pretend that the last episode does not exist.
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cherkell
May 7, 2023 at 8:18 AM
EFFFFFFF YOUUUUUU CHO RIP!!!!! 🤬
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24 Samdong
May 2, 2023 at 9:56 PM
my username might give it away, but logging in just to drop The Moon Embracing The Sun as one of the best
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Bunny Sonaki
May 2, 2023 at 10:09 PM
I loved it too. And Lyn back in time OST is mesmerizing.
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25 winkydink
May 2, 2023 at 10:22 PM
I've watched a lot of sageuks and I don't generally like Chinese dramas but the 70 episode Chinese historical drama The Legend of Yanxi Palace and the 87 episode Ruyi's Royal life in the Palace are my favorites. Both tell the story of a different Empress married to the same Emperor, Qianlong. They are both on Viki and both share great acting, cinematography, attention to historical accuracy, and story telling. Yanxi Palace is more comedic, Ruyi's Royal life more touching. Give either a chance -- you won't regret a single episode.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 2, 2023 at 10:31 PM
I agree Ruyi's Royal life is an epic drama in the truest sense. The poor woman was subjected to so many things during her time in the palace and the emperor really betrayed her love for him once too often by listening to others when he should have listened and trusted her more. I think it was quite sweet in parts but also a sad tale.
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velvetstuff
May 3, 2023 at 12:44 AM
Ru Yi's Royal Love is just impeccable. So heart-wrenching and the quality was outstanding
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26 tabong is ironing the crosswalk
May 2, 2023 at 10:47 PM
I haven't watched that many sageuks tbh, so for me there's nothing more powerful than the "muyiya" scene in Six Flying Dragons. Just iconic.
But Rookie Historian, Rebel and Mr Queen (don't know if we can call it a sageuk tho), are also favorites.
PS. I wonder what's my mom favorite sageuk. She's always talking about Dae Jang Geum and Faith, so one of those most be it. 🤔
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velvetstuff
May 3, 2023 at 12:44 AM
Rookie Historian! I completely forgot about it! Such a sweet drama
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tabong is ironing the crosswalk
May 3, 2023 at 11:35 AM
IKR? It was a lovely show.
Love it.
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27 Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 2, 2023 at 11:09 PM
There is a beanie who plans their year’s watch list by sageuk release dates and I picture them with a league table with key points of interest; the era and accuracy, story telling etc. I don’t think they have commented yet and I don’t know if that’s because they are rocking in a chair somewhere because of the stress of choosing just one.
I dislike sageuks because I hate tension inducing scenes (aka what makes a drama a drama) and sageuks seem to be palace politics personified 90% of the air time. I also hate betrayal, attacking the weak and second female leads who can’t read the room and just walk away gracefully. So that leaves me with the much lighter sageuks Mr Queen because the humour outweighs all the things I hate and has the squad going on a mission to find the King, Love in the moonlight because Bogummy 😊 Rookie historian strong female, 100 days my prince childhood connection that works.
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Qingdao: likes scented candles
May 3, 2023 at 3:49 PM
Ah...."Bogummy"......missing him on my screen
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 3, 2023 at 11:26 PM
He is going to be back very soon and with IU, I can’t wait. My only hope is that the early years part of the drama is the main story so we get to see him properly.🥰
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28 Kurama
May 3, 2023 at 12:54 AM
Why only one >_< We all know that it's not possible !
I like sageuk but I have kinda issue with the length from the classic ones aka the authentic ones. There are a lot of characters too. But I always loved the part with the kids, those children actors are really great. I think it's why I really like the faction or fusion ones, they're shorter. I would be happy to get an authentic sageuk with 25 episodes and not 50. I really liked Six Flying Dragons or Nokdu Flower.
In faction sageuk, I really liked My Country.
In fusion sageuk, there are many but I will choose The King's Affection.
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29 Isa is always time travelling
May 3, 2023 at 12:57 AM
First of all I have to say that I have only watched these sageuks, all of them in 2022:
_ Rookie Historian (the first one I watched).
_ Queen Seon Deok.
_ The Nokdu Flower.
And there are other dramas I watched which are not pure sageuks as Live Up to your name, Rooftop Prince, My only love song or Splash Splash Love.
Now I'm halfway of Six Flying Dragons, Saimdang and finishing Secret Romantic Guesthouse (on air).
So... I pick Queen Seon Deok. I watched this on YouTube, segmented in lots of parts (few minutes each part), with subtitles a little bit delayed... And however I loved it to pieces and I finished its 62 episodes in three-four weeks.
Good acting, wonderful music, clever script (I had to take notes of my favorite dialogues and speeches)... and Bidam (Kim Nam Gil), who made me laugh, and cry, and get desperate, and admire him, and get mad with him, and definitely swoon over him. One of my favorite male characters in dramaland. Maybe the number 1.
Runner Up: The Nokdu Flower. So so good!! Another masterpiece.
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Snow Flower
May 3, 2023 at 10:50 AM
Lady Mishil and Bidam are some of the greatest characters in kdrama land. Have you watched Chuno (The Slave Hunters)? Jang Hyuk delivers an unforgettable performance.
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Isa is always time travelling
May 3, 2023 at 11:19 AM
I haven't watched Chuno yet. There are so many good sageuks to watch! I'll add it to my list :)
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30 Suzeso
May 3, 2023 at 1:01 AM
I loved the Kings Affection. So much so I watched it twice. It was my very first Kdrama and I’ve been a mad consumer ever since. I sometimes get tired of the palace politics and the portrayal of helpless females in these types of dramas. I love seeing the everyday day stuff. How they grew things, sold things, the family dynamics what sort of buildings they lived in. How intelligent women survived these times without being poisoned or dealing with difficult marriages, high mortality rates and creating relationships with men who they have limited interactions with before marriage.
I also enjoyed the following so much that I’ve also watched twice:
100 days My Prince
Bossam Steal the fate
Faith the great doctor
Love in the moonlight
The Crowned Clown
My Sassy Girl
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31 mimilavender
May 3, 2023 at 2:41 AM
If you are talking about traditional sageuks, or better, straight up sageuks, then without question Six Flying Dragons. It is just superior in terms of script in my opinion, as it deals with profound themes, namely politics and philosophy, in a very nuanced and intelligent way. Add to that production quality and acting.
Second to me is Nokdu Flower. I learned a lot about that period of Korean history, which is not often depicted.
I haven't yet seen Dae Jang Geum ( Jewel in the Palace), which is on Viki but not available in my region. I have a feeling it would be on the top 3.
There are others I like for the crack factor, but among those tbh, none of them really stand out in terms of consistency or higher level of quality.
An often overlooked sageuk I really enjoyed was The return of Iljimae. It had a consistent melancholic tone, quite particular in fact, and a fantastic score and cinematography. And my favourite Jung Il Woo role to date (but I haven't watched Bossam). That said, I haven't re-watched it in a long time, so not sure how it holds up now - it's from 2009. I don't think it's easily available unfortunately.
Another overlooked sageuk and a personal favourite is an old daily (!), The King's Daughter, Soo Baek Hyang (2013). Centering on Baekje kingdom, I just loved the journey of Seo Hyun Jin's main female character.
Lastly, I quite liked was My country; although I hated the love story I fell for the tragic bromance.
Now I suppose I need to see The Red Sleeve...
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amfalulawatching
May 3, 2023 at 7:02 AM
I watched Return of Iljimae around 2017/2018 and didn't find it dated at all. I think historical dramas benefit by not having modern technology and fashions that can give a dated feel. Some of the older historicals were filmed in a way that does look older----has the video feel. But, Return of Iljimae did not feel that way to me. It is a very modern story as well with very free-thinking independent female characters that live outside of traditional society and roles. Jung Il Woo was mesmerizing in it. There are some great character actors giving very quirky and interesting performances including the actor who plays number 1 in Squid Game. He plays a monk in this one. I think those quirky characters turn off some viewers, but I like quirky.
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Isa is always time travelling
May 3, 2023 at 7:20 AM
That actor played a monk in Queen Seon Deok too! I had watched him in Squid Game and of course I recognized him.
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amfalulawatching
May 3, 2023 at 7:40 AM
Wow, well another reason to get Queen Soon Deok on my list---there is something very interesting about his characters. If only I wasn't so scared of pressing play on long dramas on Viki.
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Isa is always time travelling
May 3, 2023 at 8:00 AM
Queen Seon Deok is not on Viki. At least not in my zone. But it is on YouTube (MBC Channel).
It's a great drama :)
wonhwa
May 3, 2023 at 5:17 PM
I think he mentioned in an interview that he was always cast as monks - I believe I've seen him play one at least three different times.
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amfalulawatching
May 3, 2023 at 7:16 PM
What a great late in life success story!
Diana Hansen
May 3, 2023 at 8:41 AM
I loved this one and actually re watched it and still loved it. Could be the lead actor taking some credit there too. Jung il-woo is the best!
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amfalulawatching
May 3, 2023 at 9:28 AM
I agree! And, he brings something special to Sageuk Dramas!
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wonhwa
May 3, 2023 at 9:43 AM
Jung Il-Woo was luminous in this drama - it's still one of my favorite performances of his (I also loved the actress who played his mother).
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32 drawde2000
May 3, 2023 at 3:43 AM
When it comes to sageuk, my answer will always be @Kiara. 😊 Kiara knows what's up when sageuk is on the line.
After Kiara, then it will be Six Flying Dragons. Tree with Deep Roots is up there as well.
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kiara
May 3, 2023 at 7:32 AM
Aw, you are too kind @drawde2000. Thank you!
I love love love sageuks!!! I've learned so much about Korean culture and its history. It's always fascinating to learn about different cultures and their unique traditions.
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bong-soo
May 3, 2023 at 4:19 PM
I second your answer. In the past I have referred to my three DramaBeans Saguek Sages: @kiara, @wishfultoki and @pakalanapikake (who to our great loss has stopped posting).
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bbstl 🧹
May 3, 2023 at 4:43 PM
@pakalanapikake is greatly missed. I’ve worried for some time that we lost her to Covid 😭
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bong-soo
May 3, 2023 at 5:36 PM
God forbid! I just have the feeling that for her own reasons she needed to pull back.
When I think of @pakalanapikake I fondly think of the sageuk GRAND PRINCE (2018) Viki US). GP was an early sageuk (4th) for me and my introduction to Yoon Shi-yoon. How could I forget it lol. Made me a YSY fan for life. It was during a rough stretch for DramaBeans and those of us who wanted to comment had to resort to hijacking an early news post. It was fun but I am glad those days are over.
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Isa is always time travelling
May 4, 2023 at 1:25 AM
I was not around here in those times. I totally understand your concerns. I hope she is well.
Grand Prince is one of the sageuks in my "Plan to watch" list. As a hardcore fan of Yoon Shi Yoon, I'm trying to watch everything he has worked in. He has been in three sageuks and I have only watched the excellent Nokdu Flower so far.
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bong-soo
May 4, 2023 at 8:16 AM
@isagc, thanks for the reminder that Yoon Shi-yoon has appeared in three sageuks. For the record:
1. JTBC’s SECRET HEALER (2016) (20 eps)
(available on VIKI US under the title MIRROR OF THE WITCH),
2. TV CHOSUN’s GRAND PRINCE (2018) (20 eps) ((Viki US), and
3. SBS’s NOKDU FLOWER (2019) (24 eps) (Viki US).
A few thoughts:
1. I have not seen No. 1 so now I have an incentive. SECRET HEALER (though fictional) also takes place in a specific historical time fame which is great for learning;
2. Re GRAND PRINCE: If you would like to view something pre-pandemic sweet, go to my fan wall and scroll down to the ninth post. You will see a video from May 9, 2018 of GP’s 3 leads: YSY, Jin Se-yeon and Joo Sang-wook after the final episode at a ‘hug session’ in downtown Seoul to fulfill a ratings pledge they had made. The three were good sports and looked great. I am assuming (with Covid etc.) there will never be another one;
3. The Yoon Shi-yoon one encounters in his sageuks is very different from what one usually expects from him, his vivacity for example is usually suppressed. In NOKDU FLOWER (imo) he was cast totally against type and gave a fantastic performance; and
4. Good luck on your quest to watch all his work. Have you finished his recent 50 episode weekender KBS’s IT’S BEAUTIFUL NOW? I didn’t attempt 50 episodes.
Isa is always time travelling
May 4, 2023 at 8:29 AM
@bongsoon
I agree Yoon Shi Yoon was great in Nokdu Flower. I think he was nominated to some award for this role.
One thing I find interesting is that Yoon Shi Yoon's character in Mirror of the Witch (I'll watch it soon) is a famous medicine man from Joseon. Just as Kim Nam Gil in Live up to your name. So it's funny my favorite actors played this kind of characters. In fact, is Yoon Shi Yoon's character the same medicine man that Uhm Hyo Sub (Heo Jun) played in Live up to your name? I think he is.
About It's Beautiful Now I have only watched 13 episodes so far. I'll finish it but I think I will skip some parts because there is so much filler content...
kiara
May 3, 2023 at 7:35 PM
@marcusnyc20, bong-soo
I'm not worthy 🙇♀️. Toki and Paka are the sages.
I'm with you. @pakalanapikake and her wisdoms is a great loss. I do hope that she is doing well.💓🙏
Thank you for keeping us up to date with the upcoming sageuks. I really appreciate it!
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WishfulToki
May 7, 2023 at 7:05 PM
Aw, I'd say it's a joint effort. I've learned so much from you and Paka, and I would definitely not be hanging around DB anymore if the sageuk beanies went missing.
By the way, the question of this thread is pure torture. How am I supposed to choose one sageuk? But I'm going with my first love: JUMONG.
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bong-soo
May 8, 2023 at 6:54 AM
Hi Toki. I am glad you are on the record with your selection of MBC’s JUMONG (2006/07) which finished its run at 81 episodes (originally scheduled for 60 episodes).
For its run it had a 40.98% average rating.
Those were the days.
It would be great if MBC made again available.
kiara
May 8, 2023 at 8:27 AM
Good times!!! Likewise Toki. I wouldn't trade those years and the sageuk/history club for anything. Come back when you have time. We are still here:).
I know Paka was having issues with her vision, and I was also worried during Covid, like @bbstl. I should have asked for a way to contact her. I just thought she'd always be here when we needed to talk to her.
JUMONG is still among my faves and worth the re-watch. I can't believe it's been 17 years.
33 Unaspirated
May 3, 2023 at 5:14 AM
For a long time it was 100 Days My Prince for me - it was the first sageuk I watched, and only my second kdrama ever. Plus, DO’s eyebrows. And I really haven’t watched that many of them over the course of my drama career so far, but I was so captured by Our Blooming Youth recently. I can’t even explain what it is about that show, but there was something so addictive about it. I loved that the FL stood up to the ML (even though he’s the crown prince) immediately, repeatedly, and they both drew out the best in each other. I loved the crown prince’s trust issues, and how they were slowly broken down by the steady people around him. I loved the refusal by the show and the characters to accept superstitious explanations for things (even if the actual explanations got shaky toward the end). I loved the emphasis that history is easy to rewrite in favor of powerful people and the attempts to correct that. I loved the ambiguity of all the villagers who had been lied to, led astray, and exploited in their desperation, and the difficult emotions and conversations the other characters had regarding them. And I loved the slow-burn (and forbidden) romance that was sweet and sad and aching. It was my first Park Hyungsik drama, but it won’t be my last.
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Diana Hansen
May 3, 2023 at 8:38 AM
And I love your comment! OH I second Park Hyung sik! Do watch more of him.
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May 3, 2023 at 7:30 AM
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35 AsianDramaniac
May 3, 2023 at 7:32 AM
I am not a big fan of sageuks in general, since they are a bit too heavy for my taste. Sungkyunkwan Scandal, relatively lighthearted, was the one that really got me into this genre. The Moon Embracing the Sun was also a very good watch.
Time travel dramas are my thing though. Not sure they court here, but my favourite is Queen Inhyun's Man. Honourable mentions: Splash Splash Love (cute !) and Live up to your name.
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Diana Hansen
May 3, 2023 at 8:36 AM
love every one you mentioned! Live up to Your Name is one of a few I rewatch.
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36 parkchuna 🍉
May 3, 2023 at 7:58 AM
Never would’ve thought that out of all the You Could Only Pick One, the Sageuk edition would be the easiest to answer! But i guess it makes sense cos it’s not my favorite genre so i haven’t watched a lot of it..
So my No 1 pick, without a doubt: Under The Queen’s Umbrella!
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37 Diana Hansen
May 3, 2023 at 8:35 AM
Another impossible choice to make. I love saeguks. Makes sense that I can't choose just one. Six Flying Dragons gets a lot of stars as does 100 Days My Prince. ( did I say I love D.O.?) I will just hands up all the comments and fail this task! Saeguks forever!
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38 kiara
May 3, 2023 at 8:41 AM
I absolutely love this genre! It offers me so much more than just entertainment. I've seen over a hundred sageuks, and I must say, it's hard to choose a favorite. Nonetheless, I want to thank you @quirkycase for showing NOKDU FLOWER (2019) some love! We all have different tastes when it comes to sageuks, but for me, this one takes the cake - at least among the ones that came out after 2019.
Honorable mentions: (2019-2023)
HAECHI
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amfalulawatching
May 3, 2023 at 9:39 AM
I'm always surprised that Haechi rarely gets mentioned. An excellent watch! Really gripping with nuanced characters and actors.
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kiara
May 3, 2023 at 10:44 AM
This is one of Kim Yi-young best sageuks. Unfortunately, the timing didn't work in its favor. It was competing with "Crowned Clown" which was already airing a month ahead.
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Kurama
May 3, 2023 at 1:45 PM
I'm waiting for her last drama Celebrity when Netflix will be willing to release it...
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bong-soo
May 3, 2023 at 5:10 PM
For now I am going to take the easy way out and hang in to your coattails @kiara.
I have been traveling for over a week (in NYC) so I just returned home and am a bit beat and this post caught me by surprise. Maybe I will have some further thoughts later.
My kdrama time frame starts with 2016. For overall quality I don’t think 2019 can be beat. A great ‘vintage’ year for sageuks. The four that I watched that year were (imo) terrific: THE CROWNED CLOWN, HAECHI, NOKDU FLOWER and MY COUNTRY.
For the record I choose as my favorite sageuk: HAECHI (24 eps) (Viki US). It was Jung Il-woo’s first post military drama and my first JIW drama. I became a fan for life. It was a total package: writing, acting and directing. Side bar: Jung Moon-sung (recently playing nice guys) gave an incredible performance as the evil Prince Tan (nasty personified).
If I had to choose favorite sageuk episode(s) it may be in the same year episodes 7 and 8 of THE CROWNED CLOWN (16 eps) (Viki US). Yeo Jin-goo in those episodes (playing the cray king) gave the best performance I have seen him give (in the dramas I have seen him in). Outstanding performance. I am still in awe of it.
Apologies for rambling.
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kiara
May 3, 2023 at 8:04 PM
@marcusnyc20, bong-soo
We are all late to this party. 😃 I hope you had a wonderful time in NYC.
I agree. 2019 was a great year with memorable sageuks with great casts. Jung Moon-sung is talented. We've been so blessed with musical and stage actors making their marks in dramaland. I wish this was the trend with casting, especially in sageuks.
Don't apologize for sharing your thoughts on dramas. It's much appreciated.
Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 3, 2023 at 11:50 PM
I knew there was a reason for the tumbleweed when it was your chance to shine. Take your time recovering and if you feel the need to add to the story at a later point on your fan wall or here it will be seen on the beanie page if you time it right. Even someone like me who does not enjoy sageuks looks forward to reading your comments about them. It would be good if you did a guest post about them one day.
bong-soo
May 4, 2023 at 8:45 AM
Thanks @kiara and @reply1988.
(@reply1988, compared to many here my sageuk knowledge is rather limited. A quick scan of my log tells me (not including films) I have watched 25-30 sageuks since 2016. The first time I saw anything sageuk ‘like’ was the Joseon (historical) scenes in THE LEGEND OF THE BLUE SEA (2016/17) (Viki US). Lee Min-ho looked great lol. Some sageuk aficionados would consider my first live watched saeuk a rather inauspicious introduction: HWARANG (2016/17) but I enjoyed it, was introduced to the Park brothers (Hyung-sik (hyung) and Seo-joon) and a bunch of other actors and decided that I liked the genre and carried on from there. Thanks for letting me go down memory lane.)
wonhwa
May 3, 2023 at 9:45 AM
Nokdu Flower is definitely the best sageuk I've seen since 2019 - I will have to check out Haechi, as that one flew under my radar.
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Firewife5
May 3, 2023 at 12:16 PM
Nokdu Flower has been on my watchlist for a while now, but I can tell it's going to rip my heart out, so I'm afraid to start, lol.
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39 ar_arguably romantic
May 3, 2023 at 8:48 AM
It's more sageuk fantasy epic, but Legend: Tae Wang Sa Sin Gi. It takes during the Goguryeo era. I haven't rewatched it, but it's one that had made the most impression on me. There hasn't been anything like it. I guess there probably shouldn't be anything like it because despite great ratings, the cost had put the PD into debt. Also the childhood section in that drama were played by Yoo Seung-ho (who was already impressive), Shim Eun kyung, and Park Eun-bin.
Rookie Historian also made a good impression on being not like other sageuks. It's serious, but chill at the same time. I would recommend this to folks who are tired of sageuks. Palace politics were refreshingly delivered.
I've also been very impressed by Hwang Jini. It was so enthrallingly beautiful and really centered on women and the gisaeng world. To be a gisaeng was really to become a master craftsman.
Six Flying Dragons has been on my list forever. I should really get to it!
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kiara
May 3, 2023 at 12:37 PM
I absolutely adore Shim Eun-kyung as a child actor. Her performances were simply delightful, especially in sageuk dramas. Whenever the adult actors take over, I can't help but feel a little bit sad.
I loved her in both Legend and Hwang Jini.
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nokdudu
May 3, 2023 at 5:06 PM
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40 Islander north
May 3, 2023 at 9:01 AM
The C-drama, "Nirvana In Fire"...no equal.
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kiara
May 3, 2023 at 10:54 AM
I'm looking forward to Nirvana 3. I loved the first one and liked the 2nd.
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OldLawyer
May 5, 2023 at 12:05 PM
NIRVANA IN FIRE is indeed great and my wife enjoyed NIRVANA IN FIRE 2 as well.
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41 bogumlips
May 3, 2023 at 9:02 AM
The moon that embraces the sun.
That was my first sageuk and it recked me! I had tears and was screaming at my pc lol. I was a wreck for weeks. Great cast.
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42 wonhwa
May 3, 2023 at 9:28 AM
Oooh, sageuks are what brought me to k-dramas in the first place so there are many I love, but the one show to rule them all is Six Flying Dragons. Others have already mentioned this, but what I loved was its refusal to be "easy". It never whitewashes the brutality of the history, but it also shows exactly why the characters make the choices that they do. It's one of the few works I've seen that dares to grapple honestly with both the benefits and costs of revolution, and it does it while juggling seven protagonists and a gazillion secondary characters. I could go on and on about the craft of the show - the way it slips in set ups that pay off hours down the line, the extraordinary ensemble cast, the music, the fight choregraphy - but it's ultimately its willingness to fully emotionally engage with both the hope and the horror of the characters and their choices that impressed me most. It also has some of the most amazing individual episodes I've ever seen (ep. 18, 25, 49 - and yes, I still remember the episode numbers 8 years later).
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wonhwa
May 3, 2023 at 9:50 AM
Other favorites - Queen Seondeok, Jumong, Tree with Deep Roots, Return of Iljimae, Painter of the Wind, Nokdu Flower, The Great King Sejong . . . did I mention that I love sageuks?
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kiara
May 3, 2023 at 1:25 PM
Moon Geun-young's performance in "Painter of the Wind" left a lasting impression on me. That was her successful transition from child actor to adult through this unique role.
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wonhwa
May 3, 2023 at 5:22 PM
She was amazing, and one of the only times a female actor convinced me she was actually male. Plus a legit queer love story, featuring two women (or a woman and a trans man)? Sign me up!
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kiara
May 3, 2023 at 8:23 PM
Moonie's cross-dressing was the best, most believable in any sageuks.
The two Moons had great chemistry. They won best OTP like YAI and Song Joong-ki in Sungkyunkwan Scandal IIRC.
kiara
May 3, 2023 at 1:12 PM
Sageuks got me hooked on K-dramas and movies - that's the main reason I love them so much! I actually watched "Jeong Do-jeon" before SFD, and even though I was skeptical at first since it was a more historical version of that era by Jung Hyun-min (Nokdu Flower), I ended up really enjoying it. I've also recommended The Great King Sejong to fans who wanted to continue with Taejong's story, and watching Tree of Deep Roots beforehand helped me connect with the non-historical parts of the plot. I have to admit, I was a total Moo-hyul fangirl after TWDR!
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wonhwa
May 3, 2023 at 5:24 PM
I keep hoping Jeong Do-jeon will pop up on a legal service someday, as I don't really want to stream a 50 episode show on a sketchy site (although I'm not sure I could really root for Jo Jae Hyun at this point).
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bong-soo
May 3, 2023 at 5:48 PM
I am with you. I was through episode 41 when I decided I could no longer go ‘dark’. I would love to be able to watch the last 9 episodes on a legal site.
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kiara
May 3, 2023 at 8:39 PM
I totally understand, I dont think I can re-watch any Jo Jae Hyun show.
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bong-soo
May 4, 2023 at 8:23 AM
I am so far into JDJ that I would suck it up and finish. Probably will never happen.
43 Tizzy
May 3, 2023 at 9:40 AM
How do you define Sageuk? Does Mr Sunshine count? For me, that's daebak!
Others I love:
Red Sleeve
Love in the Moonlight
King's Affection,
Moon Embracing the Sun
Princess Man.
You can't ask for just one! I also loved Tales of Nokdu and 100 Days My Prince
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technicat
May 3, 2023 at 8:44 PM
I just checked wikipedia, and which defines saguek as historical dramas and has a list including Mr. Sunshine. But it doesn't list Gaksital.
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Tizzy
May 4, 2023 at 9:16 AM
Great! Mr Sunshine was set in the early 1900's. My assumption was a Sageuk is set during the Joseon or Goryeo periods.
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technicat
May 4, 2023 at 2:15 PM
Me, too, I alway visualize the clothing!
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44 Snow Flower
May 3, 2023 at 10:17 AM
Only one? Sageuks are my favorite genre, so picking only one is agonizing.
Chuno (The Slave Hunters)
Six Flying Dragons
Jumong
Queen Seondeok
Damo
Conspiracy in the Court (Seoul's Sad Song)
Tamra the Island
Mr. Sunshine
Nokdu Flower
Sungkyunkwan Scandal
My Country
Rebel- Thief Who Stole the People
Under the Queen's Umbrella (have not finished it yet)
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Snow Flower
May 3, 2023 at 10:19 AM
Tree with Deep Roots
Jejungwon
The Painter of the Wind
Hwang Jin Yi
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Snow Flower
May 3, 2023 at 10:33 AM
Bossam
The Tale of Nokdu
The Crowned Clown
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Firewife5
May 3, 2023 at 12:20 PM
You've listed some great ones here! Damo stayed with me for weeks after I watched it, so did Conspiracy in the Court. I can still feel a hit to my heart today just remembering them.
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Snow Flower
May 3, 2023 at 2:19 PM
Same for me. The ending of Damo is one of the best scenes in all kdramas. Just the wind and the poem...
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45 Becky
May 3, 2023 at 12:25 PM
Nokdu Flower.
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46 Miky
May 3, 2023 at 12:59 PM
Cant choose just one so i won't but mention some that strike me in this moment i write :Empress Ki,Six Flying Dragons, Queen Seondeok,Haechi,The King's Affection,Queen For Seven Days,My Queen,The Red Sleeve,My Country,Rookie Historian Goo Hae Ryung,Moonshine...
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47 Qingdao: likes scented candles
May 3, 2023 at 2:29 PM
ONLY ONE = A Jewel in the Palace also known as Dae Jang Geum.
It was very difficult to choose just one from my top favorites: The Red Sleeve Cuff, The Princess' Man, The Crowned Clown, Slave Hunters.
Sageuk LITE:
--Romance=100 Days My Prince, Tale of Nokdu, Love in the Moonlight, Moonlight Lovers , Sungkyunkwan Scandal
--Time-travel=Mr. Queen, Moon Lovers Scarlet Hear Ryeo, Queen In-Huyn's Man
Does it bother anyone else that the costumes for sagueks seem to come from the same wardrobe closet? Usually, the fashions and set are the same, no matter time which historical period the drama takes place, from Three Kingdoms -Silla (42-936BC), Goryeo (936-1338BC) to Joseon (1338-1896BC).
LOTS more on my list....thanks for the suggestions fellow Beanies!
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
May 5, 2023 at 5:38 PM
They're not though. I don't know what dramas you're watching, but if a 3K or Goryeo Sageuk has the same hanbok as a Joseon Hanbok, something has gone terribly wrong in the costuming department lmao.
There are key differences in the different eras of Korean Hanboks and I have found them to be pretty well defined in style between them, for costuming at least, even if they're not always as accurate to true period dress. (I would say Joseon is most accurate, has the most written history and remaining artifacts to work with, and is the cheapest to acquire, then working backwards).
There are similarities, because fashion was heavily influenced by China, and historical shifts in fashion are often gradual rather than all at once, and it can blur for background characters for many reasons too, but they are there.
I am not sure what sageuks you have been watching that made you think this. Can you give me examples?
Sets are harder, due to like, what is available to shoot at, and also what is still standing, but also architecture styles didn't actually change drastically between the three major eras.
Bulguksa Temple and Anapji in what is now Gyeongju (then Seorabeol, Ancient Capital of Silla) are good examples of this.
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48 larelle79
May 3, 2023 at 3:40 PM
My Country.
Just a all around great drama and a cast that made it all work.
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49 Mandy
May 3, 2023 at 3:56 PM
This one’s pretty easy and it’s not even remotely close. For me, it’ll always be The Princess Man. Nothing before or since has ever made me feel the way that drama did. I lived and breathed that drama. It was so epic on so many levels and there were certain scenes I still remember every second of until today. Don’t even care that one of the lead is a crap person - I’m tempted to go ahead and rewatch it right now lol. The drama does such a brilliant job of making anyone believe that these characters were real.
JB and GF wrote a fantastic review for this drama. Not sure if it’s still here but everything they wrote about it was so spot on.
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50 ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
May 3, 2023 at 3:58 PM
Adding yet another vote to the Six Flying Dragons brigade. It's stellar, 50-episodes of perfectly tailor-made television for me. I don't think I've seen another sageuk yet that's quite captured my attention quite like it. Just phenomenal.
Also yes, more non-Joseon sageuks!
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ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
May 3, 2023 at 3:59 PM
Picking one was agonizing. Thanks for the pain guys!
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