Are You Human Too: Episodes 27-28
by LollyPip
They say you are your own worst enemy, and for Nam Shin-III and Shin, that phrase takes on a whole new meaning. Nothing can placate Shin’s fury over a robot daring to live his life, and as his anger grows, he’s becoming the single most dangerous threat to Nam Shin-III’s survival. It’s starting to look like there’s truly only room in the world for one Nam Shin, but which one will come out of this unscathed still remains to be seen.
EPISODE 27 RECAP
We see a flashback of little Shin telling his mother that he wants to live with his grandfather. In voice-over, Shin tells us that this was the first lie he ever told, but it was okay because it was for Mom.
When he was older, he’d seen Young-hoon get hit by his grandfather when Shin got in trouble, but Young-hoon had lied that he was fine. Shin had tried to run away that night, only to find himself surrounded by Chairman Nam and his men. Chairman Nam had told him to go if he wanted, but had reminded him that his mother’s safety depended on his staying.
Right then, Shin had vowed that he would stay, but only until Chairman Nam died. He had cultivated a fake playboy persona, probably so that nobody would take him seriously. At one point, Chairman Nam and Jong-gil had discussed the fact that Jong-gil was recognized by a nurse, who somehow knew that Jung-woo, Shin’s father, didn’t commit suicide.
Chairman Nam told Jong-gil to keep his voice down, but Shin had already overheard them. He’d confronted his grandfather, smirking that something fun would happen soon, then had staged the scene that allowed him to slip onto a plane to the Czech Republic, determined to find his mother and learn the truth about his father’s death.
To himself, despite what he told Ro-ra, he admits that he also wanted to see his mother. But when he’d seen Nam Shin-III on the street, he’d thought to himself, “Did you leave me and make that robot? Without any thought about how I’ve lived?”
So after waking and finding out that that robot was living his life, he’s furious enough to attack him with a wrench, gouging two deep gashes into Nam Shin-III’s face. Nam Shin-III turns to So-bong and smiles, as if reassuring her that he’s okay.
Ro-ra runs in, aghast to see what’s happened, and Shin is furious that Nam Shin-III turns around when she calls out, “Shin-ah!” He grabs Nam Shin-III, screaming that he’s the real Shin.
Chairman Nam reveals to Young-hoon that he knows about Nam Shin-III, and that in fact, he created a foundation to sponsor his upgrades when he first learned she made a robot that looked like Shin. Young-hoon goes into damage control mode, apologizing for bringing the robot in to replace Shin, insisting that Shin knew nothing about the plan.
The chairman says it’s okay, because he was always afraid another company would pass PK Group, so he saw the human-like robot as a way of cementing PK Group’s position. But he adds that when he met Nam Shin-III, he started thinking about the best person to succeed him.
Young-hoon reminds him that Shin is awake and almost fully recovered, and asks how he can compare him with a robot. The chairman asks if he’s never thought that Nam Shin-III is better than humans, and Young-hoon can’t honestly say that he hasn’t.
So-bong waits anxiously while Ro-ra fixes Nam Shin-III’s damaged face. He reassures her that he’s fine, but she still leaves crying. He gives Ro-ra a tiny smile, and she gets back to work.
Ye-na tries to placate Shin, insisting that he didn’t scare her with his outburst and saying that he must have been very stressed to do that. He tells her to stop moping at him, and he calls Young-hoon to say that he can’t stand Nam Shin-III and wants to take his life back. To his surprise, Young-hoon agrees, but he says they’ll have to take turns since Shin isn’t completely recovered.
Once Nam Shin-III is fixed, he finds So-bong, and they go for a walk hand-in-hand. Ro-ra sees them leaving and goes back inside to Shin, who snaps at her, asking if she’s mad he broke her son. She tells him to break Nam Shin-III even more if it makes him feel better, explaining that she only made Nam Shin-III because she missed him.
He tells her to drop the act, because he knows she’s doing all this for Nam Shin-III. Ro-ra asks tearfully what she can do to get closer to him, but he just snarls that if she wants him to feel better, she can wait another twenty years for him, like he did for her.
Nam Shin-III wonders to So-bong if Shin might feel better if they had different names. So-bong argues that he may have been made to look like Shin, but he’s had the name Nam Shin for twenty years. She asks if he would change his face, too, and reaches up to touch the spot where Shin damaged him. She says that even with the same face and name, he’s nothing like that jerk Shin.
She meets with Young-hoon, who tells her that the chairman knows Nam Shin-III is a robot. He says that he’s known all along, so this won’t negatively affect Nam Shin-III. But he adds that he can’t tell what Chairman Nam is thinking, and he’s worried Chairman Nam won’t let Nam Shin-III go even after Shin resumes his life.
He tells her of his plan to alternate Shin and Nam Shin-III, to get Shin back to work as soon as possible. He asks So-bong to protect Shin on his days at the office, and in return, Young-hoon will help her protect Nam Shin-III.
The following morning, Young-hoon tells Nam Shin-III that Shin is going to work today. Nam Shin-III worries that Shin will hate what he’s done in his place, and Young-hoon admits that this will be difficult. He thanks Nam Shin-III for what he’s done for them, and Nam Shin-III congratulates Young-hoon on his apparent success.
Little Hee-dong goes to his grandfather’s rooms all on his own, saying that he should greet his grandfather even if he’s scared. Chairman Nam smiles like an indulgent grandpa, then he suddenly snarls angrily and grabs Hee-dong, calling him “Shin” and asking if he’s been crying for his mommy again.
Hee-dong wails that he’s not Shin and flees from the room. Chairman Nam looks confused for a moment, and at the sound of Hee-dong’s tears, he cringes. Hee-dong runs to Nam Shin-III and tells him what happened, and Nam Shin-III says that if he comes to his room later, he’ll give him a gift that will protect him.
Nam Shin-III confronts Chairman Nam, asking if he’s pretending to have dementia again and scaring Hee-dong. Chairman Nam says wearily that yes, he was pretending, but Nam Shin-III grabs his hand and knows immediately that he’s lying. The chairman orders him out, warning him not to say anything.
Instead, Nam Shin-III tells Chairman Nam to calm down, because getting upset is bad for his health. Chairman Nam takes deep breaths as he’s told, and Nam Shin-III promises not to tell anyone in exchange for Chairman Nam’s promise to see a doctor.
Shin isn’t happy to see So-bong waiting for him at the office. He complies with Young-hoon’s plan, though he tells Young-hoon in advance to pay her well so she doesn’t complain about how he’ll treat her. She takes a call from Nam Shin-III, who’s spending the day at her dad’s gym and already missing her. Dad notices that Nam Shin-III dressed down today, and mentions that he learned the real heir has returned, seeming a bit less irritated by Nam Shin-III’s presence today.
Things are much more tense at the office, where everything seems to make Shin angry. Even the nameplate on his desk reminds him that a robot is using his identity. He dismisses So-bong and goes through the books on his shelves, clearly looking for something. Young-hoon brings him the specs on the M-car, seeming to suspect Shin is up to something.
Dad dresses Nam Shin-III in a velour tracksuit, and Joint and Robocop marvel that he still manages to look like a supermodel. Dad grumbles that it’s because he’s not human, then backpedals and is all It’s just that he’s got long legs!
He tells Nam Shin-III that he’ll have to earn his keep since he’s not a chaebol anymore, and directs him to start cleaning. Joint and Robocop wonder how Nam Shin-III will manage all that cleaning alone, and plan to go out and help him after taking a break. But Nam Shin-III comes in and says he’s finished already, and they run to see the entire gym sparkling like a diamond.
NC3 cheerfully offers to take care of any other chores, but Robocop complains that that would be a human rights violation. Dad counters, “What human rights?! It’s robot rights.”
At the office, Shin is annoyed when a team meeting starts late because everyone is so relaxed around him. They’re optimistic about getting a permit to make the new and improved M-car, and Shin is surprised to hear that he personally handled the hacking situation. They assume that he’s going to pay for lunch again, but he snaps that they seem to be here to play.
The suspicious programmer notes that his personality has changed again, and he bravely asks if Shin has a split personality. Shin stands to give him a piece of his mind, but he stumbles and grabs his head, shoving So-bong away when she tries to help him.
EPISODE 28 RECAP
Shin goes back to his office and starts flipping through books again. Eventually he finds a business card, but the number written on the back is disconnected. Shin staggers again, dropping the card and grimacing in pain.
So-bong finds him, and she says she’ll take him to Ro-ra, but he says he wants to go home. She says he can’t go there yet and tries to call Young-hoon for backup, but Shin tells her to do her job — getting him back in his own life.
They run into Jong-gil on their way to the car, and Jong-gil notices that Shin is sweating and welcomes the “real Shin” back. He asks if Shin is rushing his return because of what he said about Nam Shin-III being better than him, and Shin confirms that he wanted to see if it’s true.
After Shin leaves, Jong-gil drops his meek demeanor and brags to Toady that Shin took his bait. He says he hasn’t changed at all, still emotional and predictable like his father.
Meanwhile, Nam Shin-III is called to the chairman’s office, and learns that Chairman Nam saw a doctor and almost certainly has dementia. The chairman says wryly that this is punishment for living a messy life. Nam Shin-III says that he didn’t tell anyone as promised, then asks how the chairman was aware he knew of his dementia.
Nam Shin-III asks if Chairman Nam knows the truth about him, and whether Ro-ra told him, but Chairman Nam says that Ro-ra doesn’t know. Nam Shin-III extrapolates that if the chairman knows he’s a robot, then he also knows Shin was in a coma, and asks why he didn’t visit him.
The chairman says that he’s more interested in Nam Shin-III, and Nam Shin-III says that Shin would be hurt to hear that. Chairman Nam asks if NC3 wants to stay here with So-bong and his mother, because if he does, then he can have it all. Nam Shin-III says that robots have no ambition, especially for taking things from others.
Young-hoon finds Shin’s office in a shambles and notices the business card that Shin dropped, which is for a long-term care hospital.
When Hee-dong goes to Shin’s room as Nam Shin-III told him, he finds a huge replica of his favorite robot waiting for him. He’s thrilled, and he gives Shin a huge hug when he walks in, only for Shin to shove him away.
At least he tells Hee-dong to keep the robot, but the rejection makes the boy cry. Once Hee-dong and Ho-yeon are gone, So-bong tells Shin that he can’t seem to change too drastically, but Shin objects to the idea of acting like ”that thing.”
Nam Shin-III takes Chairman Nam home and tucks him into bed, and Chairman Nam tells him again not to tell anyone about his dementia, not even Shin. NC3 says he’ll follow the rule not to break a promise, and Chairman Nam says that this is why he likes him — he’s close to being the perfect human being he’s always imagined.
Nam Shin-III runs into Shin on his way out, and Shin hides him around a corner when Ho-yeon approaches to yell at him for how he treated Hee-dong. He gets mean when she tries to pass him to see her father, and lucky for Nam Shin-III, she leaves in disgust.
Shin asks Nam Shin-III why he’s still staying in his room when he told him not to, but Nam Shin-III politely refuses to say. He says that this was his home too, and tells Shin not to be mean to Hee-dong again.
Just to get at Nam Shin-III, Shin says that So-bong is with him today, and that people should be with people. It works, and Nam Shin-III is stunned silent. Shin says he should pretend to be Nam Shin-III just to mess with her, threatening to hold her hand and kiss her.
Oh no, he went too far. Nam Shin-III’s expression goes cold and he steps towards Shin menacingly, but So-bong shows up in time to stop anything else from happening. Nam Shin-III flashes her that sweet smile, making Shin scoff in annoyance.
So-bong and Nam Shin-III only get a few minutes alone, but they’re happy to see each other. So-bong tells Nam Shin-III to go on home ahead of her, needing to stay to help Shin adjust quickly. She asks Nam Shin-III to go on a date with her tomorrow, and he eagerly accepts.
Young-hoon goes by the long-term care facility and learns that nobody there uses the number written on the back of the business card. He asks for the numbers of former employees and leaves is card, and the attendant says he’s the second person from PK Group to show up that day. Young-hoon shows him a picture of Shin and confirms that he was there.
Standing on the patio, So-bong remembers losing her locket in the pool and Nam Shin-III finding it for her. Shin catches her grinning and correctly guesses who she’s thinking about. He asks why she’s the only one who doesn’t confuse them, and when she says she can tell them apart by looking, he snorts sarcastically that it’s the power of love.
She asks why he hates and harasses Nam Shin-III, who always puts Shin first. Shin asks how she would like it if something showed up with her face, wearing her clothes, then acted like her and stole her father, and if everyone even said that thing was better than her.
A short while later, Young-hoon finds Shin throwing away any of his clothing that Nam Shin-III wore. He takes over, telling Shin to rest, which suddenly makes Shin feel bad. Young-hoon admits that he didn’t think about how Shin would feel when he woke up, and tells him that everything he’s feeling towards Nam Shin-III is because of him.
Instead of responding, Shin notices an empty shelf, and Young-hoon says that’s where Nam Shin-III’s batteries were kept. Shin asks about Nam Shin-III’s manual mode, saying he’s just curious, but Young-hoon doesn’t seem to believe him. He advises Shin not to try and bear everything alone, because he still has him.
In the morning, Young-hoon gets a call from David that Ro-ra is very ill. He tells Shin he should go see her after work, but Shin just snorts and tosses his briefcase to So-bong. Again Young-hoon thanks her in advance for what she’ll put up with today.
Shin excludes So-bong from today’s meeting, snapping that a mere bodyguard doesn’t belong there. He notes that the M-car team looks uncomfortable and asks sarcastically if they can’t work without So-bong. The meeting is about the M-car’s safety test, and its ability to switch to auto-drive when its driver experiences a medical emergency.
Nam Shin-III does go to see Ro-ra, and he watches over her while David muses that he’s a better son than Shin. Ro-ra mutters Shin’s name in her sleep, and David says that the Shin who cares about her is here.
Nam Shin-III pulls David aside to tell him that Chairman Nam revealed that he knows he’s a robot. He asks what his relationship is to Chairman Nam and why he lied to Ro-ra, so David explains that they needed money to make him. But Nam Shin-III accuses him of lying to him and Ro-ra for money. He tells David to stop saying he gave birth to him with his heart: “I don’t need a dad who lies to his family.”
Neither of them is aware that Shin is nearby, and heard their conversation. He knows now that his grandfather knew Nam Shin-III was impersonating him while he was in a coma.
So-bong waits for Nam Shin-III for their date, having gotten all girl’d up in makeup and a dress. Hilariously, Nam Shin-III walks right past her, pretending not to recognize her, but at her pout he grabs her hand with a giant grin. So-bong drags Nam Shin-III to a fortune teller, who says that Nam Shin-III doesn’t have a living person’s fortune, but instead is full of metallic energy.
They stop to listen to a man playing a piano on the sidewalk, and So-bong asks Nam Shin-III if he plays. He notes her disappointment when he says he doesn’t, so he quickly scans his database for several instructional videos on how to play the piano, then steps up to the instrument and plays a song for So-bong.
So-bong gets lost in the romance of the moment, but then she notices that there’s a crowd gathering, and several people are recording Nam Shin-III’s song. She stops him and asks him to take her to a movie. He buys some popcorn and tries it, but says he can’t taste it. He feeds some to her, and when she says it’s sweet, he asks, “Because you’re with me?” Ha, So-bong pretends to gag at the corny line.
The movie is a sad one, but despite it being Nam Shin-III’s first time in a theater, he spends the entire time watching So-bong, fascinated by her emotional reaction to the film. When she cries during a sad scene, he whispers that her tears are sparkling as they fall.
He steps out for napkins to dry her face, and as the movie continues, So-bong is shocked to see tears welling up in his eyes. Oh no, it’s Shin.
Shin turns to So-bong, and in a perfectly calm voice, says, “You said you’d never confuse us.” We see Nam Shin-III sitting unresponsive in Shin’s car, his watch battery missing from his wrist.
COMMENTS
Okay, let’s be fair… So-bong didn’t get them confused! Based on their clothes, it was Nam Shin-III who was with So-bong until he stepped out to get napkins, and as soon as Shin came back, it only took So-bong a minute to realize they’d been switched (and in a dark theater!). I don’t really understand why Shin is so bound and determined to prove that Nam Shin-III isn’t him, because everyone who’s important already knows that Nam Shin-III was only pretending to be him in order to protect him. Shin has gone way beyond grumpy coma patient and is now well into villain territory for me, because anyone with a tiny bit of sense and emotional maturity would be able to see that Nam Shin-III was never (and still isn’t) trying to steal his life. Shin is just being a petulant child and lashing out for no good reason. That doesn’t mean he’s not dangerous — he’s extremely dangerous, and I’m scared for what he could do to Nam Shin-III.
That said, I actually loved the plan to have So-bong hang out with whichever Shin is at the office that day, mostly because it let Nam Shin-III spend time with her dad, and their interactions are never not hilarious. Dad is such a grump about Nam Shin-III’s very existence, not to mention his worry about how So-bong might suffer because of her feelings for him, and Nam Shin-III is just so unrelentingly cheerful, which makes their scenes so cute to watch. It’s great because Nam Shin-III never gets annoying, he’s just always so happy to be doing whatever he’s doing at any given time, even if it’s cleaning the entire gym in a matter of seconds. I hope we get to see some more of that.
I’m very concerned that Chairman Nam seems to actually be showing signs of dementia, even more so than I was when we first thought he was losing his memory. Now that we know Chairman Nam has secretly been NC3’s sponsor, his involvement is much more critical, because without his money, Nam Shin-III will be in trouble if he suffers any more damage or needs future upgrades. Chairman Nam isn’t a good person by any stretch of the imagination — let’s not forget he was involved in his own son’s apparent death, his grandson’s kidnapping, and probably Snake’s death as well — but Nam Shin-III, David, and Ro-ra need him to be of sound mind at least until he sets up some sort of inheritance, or something similar, for Nam Shin-III.
But speaking of Chairman Nam, I have to wonder… is it possible that Shin’s father is still alive? Putting together the clues in this episode, it looks as though Shin overheard a conversation about Jong-gil being recognized by a nurse, which had something to do with Jung-woo, and that he learned something that sent him to seek out his mother for answers. The card for the long-term care facility makes me think that Jung-woo didn’t truly die, but somehow ended up either physically or mentally damaged and was sent away, while everyone was told he died. I did think it was strange that Ro-ra wasn’t told anything until after her husband was supposedly dead and cremated, so there was no body for her to identify. I won’t be surprised at all if Jung-woo isn’t dead after all.
I appreciate how much Nam Shin-III stood up for himself in this episode — So-bong told him to stop being a slave and make his own decisions, and he’s really taken that to heart. He doesn’t ask if he’s doing the right things anymore and just does them, and he doesn’t look for approval for what he says and does. He didn’t even back down when Shin got mad about Nam Shin-III being in his room, but pointed out that it was his room for a while, too. I even liked his confrontation with David where he told him that he doesn’t need a father who’s a liar… he’s starting to set boundaries for the people he lets in his life, and determining for himself what kind of people he wants to surround himself with, rather than just liking anyone who gives him attention. He’s gaining a lot of confidence, and while I miss his wide-eyed, innocent expression that only So-bong gets to see these days, I do love that Nam Shin-III has stopped trying to be what he thinks others want him to be, and started becoming his own person.
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1 dany
July 27, 2018 at 4:05 AM
Thank you for the recap. It is all about Nam shin this episode. Love it!
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Onyx
July 27, 2018 at 9:38 AM
For a while I thought it was Shin who went on a date with So Bong but I guess he can't pull it off like that. We love RoboShin for his perfection but when Human Shin came back to life, I can't deny that he's kinda hot,haha.. Well, actually just tepid coz he's a major jerk and even if he'll turn out to be good in the end, I'm kinda scared of his violent tendencies. Hitting the robot in the face with a heavy wrench(really, they just have that lying around?) and what he did to So Bong at the start was a bit extreme even just for a show. He seems to attack people or objects that he knows can't strike him back for the consequences. So typical.
I was really hoping for the theory that Human Shin will never wake up but his body is functioning well so the Robot brain will be implanted to Human Shin so he will be perfect and TLHEA, you know..
for the 10 billion Won budget for this drama, I'd say it's worth it all for Seo Kang Joon alone, he really gave his best here, c'mon. If he doesn't win anything for this, I will really be sad.
We still have two more weeks and along with Life on Mars, this is on top of my list.
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transient
July 30, 2018 at 11:38 PM
Hitting the robot in the face with a heavy wrench(really, they just have that lying around?)
Of course, he was in the lab when Rora creates/fix NS3, remember? So it is logical for a wrench to be there
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2 dany
July 27, 2018 at 4:17 AM
I loved this episode a lot because I saw human Shin's side of the story and indeed he suffered a lot. Still I hope he can snap out of his current hate for everyone around him ( even/ especially the good people around him) Fingers crossed for a happy ending.
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missjb
July 27, 2018 at 7:13 AM
His epilog in the first 5 min of this episode. "Mom threw me away and make a robot." Uffff my heart is just break for him.
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mysterious
July 27, 2018 at 10:36 AM
-Let me start off by saying, I knew that was Shin before he started crying. When "NS3" returned and smiled, the smile didn't reach his eyes and it wasn't a warm smile; a tell-tale sign that it's Shin.
-I also liked seeing Shin's side of the story. And it seems to me that he still had a heart up through adulthood because he still wanted to find his mom and even had tears in his eyes when Young-hoon got hit because of him. His cruelty seemed to be just an act to survive.
-But once he saw NS3 and then later woke up to find him in his place, it's like he snapped and BECAME the monster he only pretended to be before. He must have felt that the mother he sacrificed so much for and was desperately searching for had just forgotten him, so I can understand his initial rage.
-That being said, he is taking it way too far. His anger isn't directed at any one thing/person, he's spewing rage like a volcano.
-I also think Shin's father is alive. As I watched the show, that's what I was starting to suspect.
-I'm really getting tired of people shutting down NS3 (except So-bong who did it out of concern and her dad who did it because he didn't know). Ye-na and now Shin. Stop treating him like an object. He's a person, not flesh and blood, but a sentient being just the same.
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Yaya
August 1, 2018 at 7:09 PM
News flash honey he's a robot
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3 CHARLIE
July 27, 2018 at 4:19 AM
Thanks for the quick recap!
I have already said my piece about Nam Shin so skipping that here.
About Shin's dad: I am sure that there is a lot more to that story. The map of relationships for the show has 2 different names associated with the character so either he is living incognito somewhere or he has his own replica... Neither option completely makes logical sense but hopefully more info will come in next ep and make sense of it all.
No idea what's going to happen next and how the writer will resolve all the different conflicts. The preview made me very scared and depressed about the immediate future. The quality of the writing so far keeps me a tiny bit hopeful that a meaningful resolution is still possible.
Depending on what happens next week I will either profess my undying love for Jo Jung-joo, or hate him for ever and ever.
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goldenaddiction
July 27, 2018 at 7:46 AM
Ack! That makes me so nervous! I never see any previews for this show because then I wouldn't be able to function for a week biting my nails (like I don't already do that, but still...)
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4 zitless
July 27, 2018 at 4:20 AM
Been waiting for this.
Let me just say as much as feel pity for Orishinal there is a limit to which one can excuse him. This week he proved he is a ticking time bomb. He might not know it but he has in some ways become like his grandfather. Grandpa his greedy with wealth and he is greedy with emotions.
He fears being seen as less and people not loving him enough as seen with how he feels betrayed by his mother's 'supposed' lack of care. What he needs to know is that people react to things differently and in his head everybody has to feel the same thing he is, that is what is fair to him but what he has to know is that his self entitlement is what it is not everyone will like you.
He can also be manipulative which he learned from his grandfather too and this episode just shows how spoilt he is.
I mean Nam Shin III is not fighting for the affection of others with him but no, he has to take the one person he can't have. Just shows how greedy he is too.
Hope they redeem him in a most believable way because I will call foul if he hurts my shinnamon again.
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mysterious
July 27, 2018 at 10:42 AM
I agree he is very dangerous. He has been hurt very badly and at such a young age, but I feel like it's time for Shin to grow up and realize your past doesn't have to define your future. He needs to realize he can be more than just a victim and start to actively move past the trauma.
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5 mindy
July 27, 2018 at 4:22 AM
I know everyone and their mother is going to focus on the Shins this episode (understandably), but my brain is mush and I can’t put into words what I feel about everything going on with them... so I figured I’d write a little bit about my girl So-bong, who is definitely entering my top favorite heroines list.
I’m not going to lie, the ending of the previous episode scared me a bit. I wasn’t sure where the writer was going to go with the scene--what would So-bong’s reaction be? It seemed to me that they were trying to get us to think that seeing Shinnamon’s “injury” and the metal beneath would plant a new seed of doubt in her mind, and I was very happy to see that she was unwavering in her love and treatment towards him in this episode. Despite the fact that Shinnamon might not have emotions, I think her words are reaffirming to him. He clearly cares about her and their relationship, and it warms my heart whenever she reminds him of his worth as an individual.
Also, Gong Seung-yeon is knocking it out of the park. I just love the tenderness she displays when she’s around Shinnamon. She’s so warm and inviting with the people she cares about, but she still has that fire in her when dealing with people she doesn’t like or trust, like Human Shin.
I’m curious to see where So-bong’s relationship with Human Shin will go from here--likely not to warm, fuzzy friends after that ending and that preview. So-bong has already gone through a lot of growth in this series, but I hope that her character does not lose her three dimensionality in the coming episodes. It’s clear that Human Shin is going to use her in the upcoming episode(s), and I hope the writer doesn’t drop the ball on her writing. I have faith.
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🍭 liquidsoap | Two Nam Shins
July 27, 2018 at 5:42 AM
I could watch an entire drama about Sobong just showing Shinnamon around, teaching him what she knows about emotions and being a hot-shot philosopher who punches people (basically an even hotter Plato).
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 6:16 AM
Is it bad that I low-key ship human Shin and So Bong? If he can be vulnerable with her, then there's a bleak sort of hope, right?
Why am I even doing this to myself?
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🍭 liquidsoap | Two Nam Shins
July 27, 2018 at 7:03 AM
If I didn't ship YH/Shin and Shinnabong so vehemently, I would have agreed. But they didn't have enough scenes together, Shin and Sobong, and also... Shin already has a bodyguard 💖
Shinnabong is such an unproblematic pairing that I see why people might be getting bored with it.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 7:42 AM
No it's just - even though I loveLOVELOOOOVE Sunshine Boy Shinnamon, he's still a robot! HOW will they ever make it work? I'm So Bong's Dad right now.
Which is why I'm attracted to the concept of SB and HumanSHIN sharing a special bond that might draw them together because it'll basically be the same aesthetic, right? Or not. :D
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 7:21 AM
I low key ship them too! I want to see her reply after nam shin asked her " what would you feel if someone replaced you and took your dad" or something like that.
So bong delivers meaningful words and maybe this one she would deliver a good one too to human shin. He somehow opened up to her, somehow shows his vulnerable side
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 7:44 AM
Oh me too, ME TOO! I want her to say something that'll finally hit home with HumanShin and maybe she did and maybe that's why he'll do that manual mode thing on Shinnamon later because he didn't like what she said to him then?
Maybe I'm projecting too much of my fantasy on the show here...sigh.
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 8:02 AM
Maybe she did say something that human shin took it in the wrong way. He is angry and quite narrow minded. He forgot that they all did that for him. That nam shin 3 would be out of the picture once he recoves but at the twist of events, granpa nam loved nam shin 3 more than the human one.
Nope you're not projecting too much fantasy :)
zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 8:14 AM
Aw, man. I just feel so emotionally drained and simply cannot wait for Monday. :D
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 8:16 AM
Me too! Can't wait to live stream this despite not understanding lol
larelle79
July 27, 2018 at 12:51 PM
Yes.
This is the same dude who hit her and it was seen by all of the Korean media and possibly the world with no problem. I know the show addressed it once NSIII was in the picture, but no, she and Human Shin should be nowhere near each other romantically.
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
July 27, 2018 at 10:12 PM
Amen to that.
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Jojo
July 29, 2018 at 9:00 AM
Hello, first time writing any comments on dramabeans .
I love this show a lot n SKJ is gorgeous. And yes.. i ship human NS with SB. I want to see her tame the wild human NS.. tee hee did i ask too much? Its just that he had a rough life living with no mother n receive no love during his early life. Yeah.. i actually want human NS to receive love from SB. Thats all he needs..😘
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laladaisical
July 27, 2018 at 6:59 AM
The wrench scene emphasized SB’s acceptance of NS3 and also showed Shin that he’ll have to change tactics ‘cause Sis isn’t delusional.
That’s my concern too, that SB will slip into the dreaded Inert Damsel mode for the remainder of AYHT, but the preview has given me hope.
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 7:22 AM
That's why i love our girl so much 😁😁😁 she is a tough one and remained tough throughout the whole show.
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goldenaddiction
July 27, 2018 at 7:50 AM
Exactly! Major props to the writer for making pretty much every character so multi-faceted: especially the women!
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 8:16 AM
So Bong's so great. I worried that she might flinch seeing Shinnamon's robot face, too, but she was only worried for him.
On one side, it's not that I'd blame her if she DID flinch a little, and maybe people (not me, for the record) would not have their hearts swayed toward conflict with a different pairing? On the other, though, NS 3 has nothing else. He's already been dejected in the rain and the pool and what's next, is he going to walk into the ocean? He isn't getting loyalty anywhere else. I love that she's tough about being loyal, that she's unwavering, at the same time that it makes me nervous.
I don't want NS physically harmed, since I'm concerned for his health already, but at the same time... So Bong deserves to express her extreme displeasure at how badly she's being treated. Like the satisfaction of seeing NS 3, way back when, mouth 'LIAR!' at So Bong.
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6 liar song #PuppyNotPuppyLeeJaeWookIsBack
July 27, 2018 at 4:24 AM
I honestly didn't expect this but we finally got a Shin-centered episode!
This episode is so intense as there are so many important things that took place for the plot and for the fluff. Here are some notable scenes:
1. OriShin's sort-of backstory and motives are finally revealed. He knew that his father might be alive and he was on his way to find out the truth but his world fell apart when he saw our RoboShin and had the accident. Shin could've been a lovable person if only he wasn't exposed to the environment he is in since he was a child. This boy needs all the love he can get but he wasn't able to receive those from the people around him (except from his bro Young-hoon).
2. Grandpa's dementia had me shocked but what was more shocking was the fact that Granpa and RoboShin's relationship seemed interesting (to me). They are both honest with each other's motives and gramps has the upper hand on our robot's future.
3. Anything with RoboShin and So-bong's father is hilarious and cute. Maybe having a robot son-in-law isn't all that bad unlike what So-bong's dad is thinking.
4. RoboShin and So-bong's date is all sorts of cute, funny, and sweet. I'm living for jealous RoboShin moments so he had me (and everyone else) swooning when he played that piano. His pick-up line is corny as hell, but who wouldn't swoon at that?
5. OriShin suddenly being interested at our RoboShin's manual mode and ruining the date of our puppies had me feeling all sorts of fear for our puppies next episode. Oh no.
I'm loving how the show is progressing (plot-wise) now that Nam Shin's motives are shown and some secrets are revealed not only to us but to most of the characters, but I'm also scared by RoboShin's future. What will happen to him now that Nam Shin's mind is set to make the robot everyone loves into someone less human and more like the Orginal Shin?
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goldenaddiction
July 27, 2018 at 7:54 AM
Loved all of the points you listed :)
I'm so happy the way our beautiful Shinnamon is portrayed as an amazing individual with a sassy personality--look at that grump/jealous face when SB was looking at the pianist! So cute! It goes to show that NS3 is just a good being, not just a bland, driven by rules to be good. He is AI: trained to be good which makes him so real. Just loving this show all around :D
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 8:18 AM
I love NS 3's sense of humour too. The way he makes these little jokes to himself, and tries to amuse others with varying levels of success, is such a key and endearing part of him.
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mysterious
July 27, 2018 at 10:47 AM
My first thought was: Who told Shin about Manual Mode?!!! Bad idea! I know he could hear when he was in a coma, but they didn't discuss that in his room did they? I thought they were in the living room.
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JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 6:44 PM
I assumed Yena told him. I mean he was wearing it on her wedding day...Lets see if that gets address in the next episode!
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DoubleFault
July 27, 2018 at 11:28 PM
Re. RoboShin's manual mode being controlled by HumanShin: Based from an ealier episode, when RoboShin found out that Sobong was in danger and thus left his fake wedding to go save her, we saw him "voluntarily" removing the watch that was put by Rora to manually control him. I'm curious to see if we could see this happening again, with the jealous and out on a vengeance HumanShin now in control.
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JanJan
July 28, 2018 at 12:34 AM
Someone mentioned that RoboShin may override Human Shin's control and I kind of agree.
I think there is a reason we see the meetings human Shin has with the M Team, especially the part where the Programmer explains about the auto drive. He said that if anything happens to the driver, the car will shift into auto drive, as to protect the driver from danger...or something along that line. I couldn't help but saw the relation between the car + driver and RoboShin + human Shin...
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7 🍭 liquidsoap | Two Nam Shins
July 27, 2018 at 4:41 AM
I thought the last episode was a ride, but this one was a car crash. In a blockbuster kinda way. I'm still screaming, is what I'm trying to say. And I'm mostly screaming about Shin, our very much human Nam Shin Zero. Anyway, here's my love letter.
In e13 we've seen many instances of people lying to him (with good or not so good intentions) and confirming his every fear, one by one. And in return, I believe he doesn't utter a single truthful line.
So it's a surprise that this episode begins with Shin acknowledging this - he lies. All the time, since early childhood. YH is his constant companion and it's somehow even harder to look at the way the man uses his incredibly strong will to shrink himself as he suffers through one of Shin's many lessons in dishonesty: he has to hide his desires, habits, needs and thoughts. They both do if they want to survive.
Like Shinnamon, Shin adapts by wearing a mask: his eyes lose the innocent softness, his posture and body language change into something I'd describe as studied flamboyancy. Where YH cowers and lowers his head, Shin stands tall and provocatively looks everyone in the eye. This is something we've seen many kdrama chaebols do, and I first took it as a side effect of growing up in luxury. But it's truly a defense mechanism, as valid as the one YH uses to cope with the constant abuse.
Shin provokes emotional response in others through seemingly reckless actions, dagger-sharp words and a dash of manipulation. He isn't as good at the last as one he thinks he is, and it's honestly so entertaining to see him lose his footing every time he's pleasantly surprised by people, and that only ever happens when they're being straightforward with him. But he doesn't know what to do when that happens, so he lashes out. I think deep down he's scared of things going according to his plan, because he's just... destructive, to the point of self-sabotage. He wants to be proven wrong cause he always assumes the worst. Every time he lies, he wants to be called out on it.
Shin's acts of love are smaller than Shinnamon's - he doesn't destroy a car with his bare hands or save people from the fire. But he can persevere through telling falsehoods about himself. And that's how he protected his mother. And that's how he protected YH. And that's how he failed to protect himself from losing his innocence, his humanity. "My home," he says with furious resignation, "is here." And that was one of the lies he never believed in, but now, at his lowest point, embodies. He's fighting for his position and becoming his abuser.
So that's kinda lame.
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🍭 liquidsoap | Two Nam Shins
July 27, 2018 at 4:54 AM
Anyway this comment is kinda high-effort to me and I want to vomit just thinking about y'all reading this but just a few more points re: lying. I got the impression that gramps was the brain behind the lie-blink mechanic, which is fitting since he's pretty paranoid.
I found it interesting that Shin clearly expresses his actual fears exclusively to So-bong. Apparently only our Best Girl, who shares a lot of his traits while being his polar opposite, can have an honest conversation with him. He's pretty fixated on the idea of being different from his robot-brother no matter the cost and when he looked at her asking how she does it, my heart broke.
The best scene of this episode was YH calling Shin his and I'm kinda. Still. Screaming about it.
Kill me.
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chokyu
July 28, 2018 at 3:22 AM
I must have been too busy staring at their handsome face so I missed it but where did he call Shin "his" please tell me so I can watch that scene a hundred thousand times haha
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 6:12 AM
I loved this! This is such an accurate analysis of Shin's character. He's such a gummy bear marshmallow witha burnt outside - but I firmly believe the inside is soft and sweet and gooey.
Show, you have 4 episodes to primp this boy for ultimate happiness or I will never forgive you!
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tsutsuloo
July 27, 2018 at 6:23 AM
@vivanesca—I never imagined that this show would end being so tight and gripping. As you brilliantly say, it's not just a ride but a car wash. (I've submitted three Subway sandwiches to the K-drama gods—do not let this show go off the rails!)
Your comparison of Shin's vs. Young-hoon's masks and survival methods are apt and fit my own framework for understanding these two characters. At the show's beginning, it was so easy to dismiss Shin as the typical entitled chaebol heir. It was traumatic enough to lose his father and be kidnapped but the scenes of his emotional abuse were beyond the pale. His Grandfather monstrously used Shin's love for his mother against him! Toxic stress affects children differently, depending on their individual circumstances. Our culture is only now beginning to catch up to what scientists understand about child development. Toxic stress physically alters the architecture of children's brains—affecting all aspects of development (emotional, intellectual, physical). From age 13ish-25ish—when human brains are furiously whittling and adapting—toxic stress forces brains to over-edit their neural pathways.
Questions: Did Shin's happy early childhood and (bought) friendship with Young-hoon help inoculate him a little bit? Did Shin get a college degree from an online school?
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🍭 liquidsoap | Two Nam Shins
July 27, 2018 at 6:53 AM
The fact that Shin and YH managed to form an emotional connection at all is a miracle. I feel like gramps did literally anything he could to prevent that from happening by pitting them against each other. It's honestly a masterful deal: YH is being used as a shield and should resent the boy who causes him to get hurt, but he's also one of the ways Shin is controlled, one of the bars in his cage. Shin knows he's there to spy on him and prevent him from doing what he wants, but gramps also clearly expresses that to him, YH is more valuable as a person.
And instead of becoming a glass and a spider, they form a team, an alliance. Shin canonically hangs out in YH's room when he wants to escape. In e13, during their fight, it doesn't occur to Shin that he could FIRE YH once he's a chairman, so YH plotting behind his back to help him get there is seen as an act of betrayal. Their relationship is far from bought; they had to, at some point begun trusting each other in an environment where trust can be lethal.
I'm rambling I'm sorry I just... I just
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 8:34 AM
I loooove that Shin never thinks of firing Young Hoon as even a possibility. Nope, it's the gravy train for YH for life--but at the same time, he'd clearly read YH quitting as not 'I will leave this terrible job where everyone slaps me and yells at me' but as emotional betrayal. Their relationship, whether it be bromance or romance, is super fascinating. I'm so curious about how it developed, and it's so indicative of both of them having good hearts, deep down. (In NS's case... deeper down.)
Like, did NS take a huge fancy to YH when he was his tutor, and Grandpa took advantage of that fondness and warped it? Or did Grandpa throw a companion at NS, and NS was like 'fine, I know what's going on and I am lonely, but I won't actually get attached because I know the awful truth... oh noooo, I am attached! Why am I attached! I bet he's not attached to me!'
I was really proud of Young Hoon for reaching out and apologising to NS, and NS was taken aback by his clearly expressed care. (Though I do think YH is partially motivated, as is Ro Ra, by concern for NS 3. And that's fine, why shouldn't they be... except NS is so messed up, he'll read divided love as no love.) And I was so upset for both of them in the flashback, having NS see YH slapped. NS was so horrorstruck, as NS 3 was, but he was also wounded that Grandpa would do that. And YH's face is super strained and angry when Grandpa hits him, but it immediately softens and smooths out when he sees NS's distress--which I read as concern for NS's distress, but NS might have read as being fake. It's very indicative, again, of goodness deep down that care for YH inspired NS to flee, and only care for his mother made him stay.
It also makes one think of NS 3 seeing YH slapped: was it YH knowing NS 3 was kind already? (Maybe, they had already bonded a little over NS 3 being happy to see YH smile.) Was it, a bit YH's knowledge that had NS been a robot with no weakness, NS would've come down on Grandpa like the robot wrath of God? Probably as with all things, it was complicated.
And it is terribly sad to think that NS is probably thinking that YoungHoon's (mega cute) bromance with NS 3 is more real than his own relationship with YH. Since after all, YH is paid to be NS's friend, but he didn't have to be NS 3's. Still, LISTEN to him, NS. He said 'you have me.' (He said it in the closet.)
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JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 6:57 PM
I agree with a lot of the points you mentioned here.
That reminds me, do you happen to know which episode it was when NS3 witnessed YH being slapped for the first time?
I want to rewatch it and compare NS3's reactions to that of NS's. I think there was a shift in YH and NS3's relationship after that slap but I can't quite remember clearly....
🍭 liquidsoap | Two Nam Shins
July 27, 2018 at 7:29 PM
@janjan18 COUGH 3 (5/6). not that I'm obsessive,
DoubleFault
July 27, 2018 at 11:39 PM
I also think HumanShin is very much annoyed that there have been instances wherein YH could be preferring RoboShin over him, which is why he was also heartbroken over Rora's fondness for his robo counterpart. HumanShin went through alot to finally be reunited with his mom and endured emotional abuse from his grandpa for her and YH, probably the two people that he considers the most important to him, and thus feels betrayed when he sees both seemingly preferring the more caring and considerate RoboShin over him.
JanJan
July 28, 2018 at 6:10 PM
@vivanesca
Omg, thank you!!! I rewatched it (and bit of ep 7. Had to stop or I'll never... lol) and OMG, the overlaps to this episode...just wow! Guess I'll just quickly point things out:
1) Lies: the way NS3 handles others' lies is very different from NS. We see that NS distrusts the other whereas NS3 tries to earn their trust. NS3 sees lies as a coverup of truths; NS sees it as a tool of manipulation
2) Slap scene: NS3 apologized and offered to take the beating for YH. NS3 saw YH as a person and was proactive in expressing care; didn't assign guilt vs NS who internalized the guilt and ran away cuz that's how he learned to deal with lies
3) Dementia: So Bong called it first saying Shin must have dementia (seriously her lines are foreshadows!) cuz the new personality makes no sense
4) Grandpa + Jung Woo and Shin: Grandpa mistakes Shin for Jung Woo, saying where's his scar. Overlaps in this ep: Grandpa mistakes Hee Dong for Shin cuz he cries for his mom
5) Sons: RoRa says she has two sons in episode 5-6
6) Growth of RoboShin: Difference is huge! In ep 5-6 RoboShin feels like a child. In recent episodes, he feels like he's reaching adulthood. Will he reach it by the end of the series?
7) Hero: RoboShin says he's the hero (protagonist) in the fire scene and not Shin; asserts his identity. Once human Shin wakes, he asserts his identity. He's now the protagonist (going against everyone lol) and not RoboShin
8) Disaster Mode: I still haven't had this figure out but now I see overlaps to the auto drive in M Car.
Overall, I'm just impressed!!! Will definitely need to rewatch it again once the series ends lol
Jamie Opso
August 5, 2018 at 6:30 PM
"He said 'you have me.' (He said it in the closet.)"
TRUTH.
8 Yuki
July 27, 2018 at 4:42 AM
Thanks Lollypip for the recap! I agree that suddenly it feels that there is no room for the two Nam Shins and it's becoming super-stressful. They made us care about the two of them since we have seen enough of their lives to sympathize with them. And now that one of them is dead set to eliminate the other, I just can't handle the tension and the emotions. If I have to choose, I'm siding with NS3, but I don't really want to choose. Damn I hope human Nam Shin comes to his senses soon because I don't want to hate him. But the way he kidnapped NS3 and killed their date was horrible, I was flipping tables and so angry at him when he did it. How dare he to interrupt that cute perfection that was NS3 and So Bong dating and flirting?? My poor baby NS3 went out for napkins and never came back 😭
All in all, it was another great episode. I like how this show keeps posing deep questions and making us think. It nice how it shows that the more love you receive, the more love you are able to give, which is NS3's case. And the opposite is also true, for Nam Shin. So human Nam Shin is in a sort of catch-22 situation. Only receiving some love will stop him from being so destructive, but how can he receive love if he's out there hurting everyone that dares to approach him?
Whatever. I'm bracing myself because next week it's going to be painful. I don't want to see my babies NS3 and So Bong suffering, I'm super scared for sweet NS3, and I'd also suffer if human Nam Shin gets badly hurt, even if he's being an idiot. How can we ignore him after seeing how much pain he has gone through? The scene where he fought with Mom had me crying, when he told her to wait 20 years for him, I don't know who was more hurt, Nam Shin, Mom or me, LOL. So much heartbreak 😢 I hope we are compensated with a good happy ending later.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 6:09 AM
"It nice how it shows that the more love you receive, the more love you are able to give, which is NS3's case. And the opposite is also true, for Nam Shin. So human Nam Shin is in a sort of catch-22 situation. Only receiving some love will stop him from being so destructive, but how can he receive love if he's out there hurting everyone that dares to approach him?"
Yes, 1000000% agree. Let 'em in HumanShin! They all love you! All you need to do is crack your heart open a little!
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 8:08 AM
NS 3 happily feeding his lady a soda. Oh why, she is ALL HE HAS!
And yet, the tragedy of Ro Ra, trying to reach out desperately but doing so in a terrible way, and the tragedy of NS, who wants her love but can't reach back or believe in her.
So much heartbreak, as you say.
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DoubleFault
July 27, 2018 at 11:51 PM
Like you, as much as I do not want to choose, I find myself more drawn to RoboShin's story and his development. I like that his existence and his interactions with the other characters seem to make everyone question what it means to be a human being, what it means to be a better person. So, yeah, I'm curious to see how this love story between RoboShin and Sobong pans out. (RoboShin better stock up on a lot of Kleenexes for me to cry on.)
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9 RenOIshi
July 27, 2018 at 4:47 AM
CANT HATE HSHIN! Poor kid tried to run away so many times :( He is just a victim of circumstance.
They all need a hug. HShin, Shinnamon, So Bongie, Dr Ye and even Ye Na *sending virtual hugs*
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10 LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
July 27, 2018 at 4:47 AM
Honestly, when they told me Grandpa was lying about the dementia I got super annoyed because he'd clearly shown signs of real dementia. And while it seems a bit convenient that he was pretending to have a condition he actually had, it makes far more sense based on earlier scenes that his dementia is real.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 6:06 AM
Karma, thy name is b!tch. :D
I bet grandpa can see the irony...
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awsomesauce23
July 27, 2018 at 6:26 PM
lol yeah he does. he said as much himself to shin 3 about his diagnosis " That's what I get for living such a messy life" I wholeheartedly agree chairman.
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WishfulToki
July 27, 2018 at 1:51 PM
Karma, dude. I'm becoming both more and less human watching this drama... I went "serves you right Gramps, you liar" ... which in my right mind I'd never wish on anyone.
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
July 27, 2018 at 1:57 PM
Dementia is the perfect illness because it decimates his "strength" obsession.
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11 Meep
July 27, 2018 at 4:48 AM
This drama continues to give me everything I could want and then some.
But for me this week's episodes showed that Nam Shin is very far gone and any redemption he might have is going to take some serious work on his part.
I understand that his childhood was not an easy one and his grandpa almost definitely emotionally abusive to him. That doesn't excuse anything he does right now though. Yes he is angry and not undeservedly so, but his continuous manipulation and lashing out is hurting many people including those who aren't even involved in this whole mess. Hell even Ye-Na was fed up with his manipulation of her this week and she was always in his corner before.
And his gotcha-moment with So-Bong felt hollow to me as well, because she was watching a movie in a darkened theatre and not really paying attention to NS(III). I mean I am curious as to what the fallout to this will be and if that could somehow shake So-Bong's feelings (and NS3's once he realises that's what he has :D). I hope not. They are so cute together and so supportive and I love that So-Bong stands up for NS3 so much and tells him not to give anything up to NS, not even his name or face.
(Props to SKJ tho, who could have thought he could pull off this role. Not me, that's for sure xD)
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 6:05 AM
ALL THESE FEELS! NO OUTLET! OTTOKEE!
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12 Kaleidoscopic
July 27, 2018 at 4:59 AM
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librarianerin
July 27, 2018 at 5:18 AM
Seo Kang Joon's performance reminds me of Ji Sung's in Kill Me Heal Me. You always knew which personality was present, even if they were pretending to be the main.
I'm happy SKJ is coming into his own. You could see the potential early on, but he's capitalized on it now.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 6:04 AM
Exactly yes! Shin Se Gi and Cha Do Hyun are kinda like Shinnamon and DogShin! Nice Dramaland parallel! :D
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empressblue
July 28, 2018 at 9:08 AM
I suddenly missed Shin Se Gi's guy-liners
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Chokyu
July 27, 2018 at 5:34 AM
People are not really thinking lol tbh it's not just his past that's making human Shin pitiful it's his present as well. They aren't trying to look from his perspective. I thought his dialogues with Sobong by the pool and his monologue at the start will help people in understanding his point but guess even that didn't help them stop hating on human shin. I would HATE to see a better version of myself as well.
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Kaleidoscopic
July 27, 2018 at 6:11 AM
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Chokyu
July 27, 2018 at 7:26 AM
Lol I know I know I was just agreeing with your points :D
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 6:03 AM
YES Shinnamon did get credit for it. HumanShin may seem like a total porcupine, but he's got this soft underbelly and I want him to have the world. Props to SKJ! <3
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 8:04 AM
I do love that both of them went to her, and thought NS would--and yet it's sad nobody knows NS did! (Though really, David thinking NS 3 is better matters little, as NS 3 and I are mad at David!) The limits of everybody's knowledge is tragic and believable. Seeing both boys rush to their mother did fan the flames of my tiny little hope they could be brothers one day.
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Kaleidoscopic
July 27, 2018 at 8:14 AM
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 8:36 AM
It's such a great look into the way abuse makes people just FRACTURE, even people who are trying their best and really love each other. It also puts the viewers at their wits' end too. ;)
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 8:08 AM
I love reading your comments!
Kang joon nailed this show! I remember some people said that my girl Seung Yeon will outshine him but noooo they both nailed their roles! Especially Kang joon.
And and am i the only who thought that the scene where Nam shin joked around Sobong that he did not recognize her and she walked ahead of him but he took her hand is so natural? Ahh my ship is sailing. Like both actors are enjoying their scenes for real ♡♡♡ i want to shower them with loves.
Now where are those people who said that Kang Joon can't act? This is my first time seeing him acting though
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July 27, 2018 at 8:15 AM
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 8:32 AM
It was a mixture of shock-denial-disbelief-disgust-incredulity-disgust-consternation-trauma and vulnerability at not being able to do anything about it! :(
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Kaleidoscopic
July 27, 2018 at 8:34 AM
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM
Relax. Cal your mind. Just look at the pretty - appreciate it! Stare at it! :D Rewatch it! No need to flip tables.
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 8:57 AM
Lol i love your reactions XD I flipped the table too when I first saw it.
Oh have you seen the string attached to Kang Joon atthe end of the video?
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July 27, 2018 at 9:09 AM
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July 27, 2018 at 9:18 AM
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 9:23 AM
I am shipping these two so hard XD especially for this video. Lol he really is a flirt. I thought I am just delusional xD
Oh yoj have a point. But I think he is really Nam Shin 3 he has the manual watch on but hey they could confuse us all over again 😱😱
I was not able to tag you awhile ago 🙈🙈
I am flipping like a dolphin here lol @christina41218
zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 9:31 AM
Wow I never got past the face - MUST REWATCH NOWWWW!
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 8:16 AM
Replying to your comment here coz there's no reply link on the original one:
I think HumanShin swapped in a dark place because he's genuinely not confident that he'd be able to pull it off in a well-lit area. So he cheated but right now SB doesn't know that he cheated so what's gonna happen now?
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 8:19 AM
Kwaaaa me too! I want monday to come sooner but that means the show will have few more episodes left 😢😢😭😭
Oh oh have you seen the behind the scenes of this episode? I am worried about nam shin 3 because of that 😣😣
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 8:20 AM
Noooo! Share the link please - I wanna see and torture myself some more!
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 8:29 AM
@zgs1994 and @kaleidoscopic
Here ^-^
Ps my heart is exploding
https://m.vlive.tv/video/81984
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 8:33 AM
@kaleidoscopic granpa shin really know who is nam shin's vulnerability 😣😣😣😣
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 8:39 AM
I can say now that Seo Kang Joon is the God of wink lol
His wink makes my heart flutter
zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 8:41 AM
RIGHT IN THE FEELS WITH ALL THAT SKJ PRETTY!
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JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 7:10 PM
Did you also notice that when NS3 met NS for the first time, that NS was in the shadows and NS3 was in the light?
I think the lighting is intentional and can be a metaphor of their present state of being...
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 7:20 PM
Wow! I did not noticed that one to think that is a metaphor 😲😲😲😲
no i want to give human shin a big hug.
13 Chokyu
July 27, 2018 at 5:29 AM
Well to be fair , so Bong DID get confused between the two as well. It was only his expressions and teary eyes that made her realize it's not the one.
My heart is not prepared for the next episode I don't want to see two shins fighting with each other.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 5:54 AM
I believe they need to duke it out for HumanShin to feel better tho
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Chokyu
July 27, 2018 at 7:28 AM
Lol true, I don't know why he thought so bong can't get confused between the two when he never tried to fool her before. Like he did to YH.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 7:39 AM
Yeah! I think he just gets pissy because the rest of them - including Mom and YH - have conflicted feelings about the 2 Shins, whereas So Bong is totally confident in her ability to tell them apart and it bothers him because if his MOM and HYUNG can be conflicted then WHY isn't SHE? I think that's his 3rd grade logic. :D
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Chokyu
July 27, 2018 at 7:48 AM
Lol true. He needs a hug, a candy and lots and lots of therapies
GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 8:12 AM
She did realize that it was human shin. She was quite ... err how should I say this? She was quite reluctant after that tear wiping scene. She repeatedly turn to look at him, like she was suspecting it and she finally caught up. It was the human one.
For me though, nam shin cheated... becuase he did the swap in the cinema. He should have done it in a sunny place and that's when he will prove that she can't or can tell them apart.
Lol our human shin is obsessed in making those two love birds suffer. But I understand him
Chokyu
July 27, 2018 at 7:42 AM
Also the glass breaking part even so bong couldn't tell it was human shin so I don't know why he said in last episode that only she doesn't get confused who is who.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 7:46 AM
Yes, but she immediately (in a span of 3 seconds) realized that nope, this is the real NS and booked it out of there while the rest of them just stood there gaping and maybe that grates a little on his nerves as well?
MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 8:01 AM
He is such a drama queen, I think he was probably like 'wut' when she just left in the middle of his big scene!
14 Caityg99
July 27, 2018 at 5:39 AM
I would love to see what So Bong said after her convo with human shin on the balcony, first time they really spoke without insulting eachother or arguing haha.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 5:54 AM
Me as well. It'd be such a wasted opportunity if she'd said nothing...
I also suspect that might be the opening scene of next episode.
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Caityg99
July 27, 2018 at 6:23 AM
@kaleidoscopic ahhh yeah i do see your point actually. Hopefully they can have another moment soon thats not rushed.
GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 8:14 AM
They both realate to each other in some ways. Sobong need to teach human shin how to accept nam shin 3.
Nam shin 3 isn't trying to steal everyone away from the original.
I love the way they give human shin and sobong some moments maybe after some few more scenes she would sympathize with him.
zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 6:20 AM
I just want a nice emotional healing for my baby oriSHIN.
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Caityg99
July 27, 2018 at 6:20 AM
Yes even though they absolutely despise eachother i feel like so bong (with help from young hoon of course) can actually get through to him that he is loved and hes going about everything in the wrong way.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 6:28 AM
I low-key ship it. I'd want it to become canon.
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laladaisical
July 27, 2018 at 7:18 AM
It would be interesting to see if she did say something, because she can relate to his disgust, but she can tell him why that changed, and it has to do with NS3 caring. That’s their fundamental difference. Maybe Shin will grasp that soon.
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 7:59 AM
Yes, I'd love it if she extended some empathy and that made NS empathize with her too. (Not that he deserves empathy from her, So Bong owes him nothing, but sometimes grace is getting stuff even when you don't deserve it.) I do think NS opened up to her because he's perceiving her as the one being honest with him in this very messed-up situation. If she was like 'Lord I would hate that, and be super creeped out! And I was super creeped out when I found out he was a robot too! But also, you must have noticed how people are terrible to each other, and imagine my longing for someone to be gentle and kind to me, and the overwhelming relief when someone finally was, and the wish to be close to that warmth!'
... I mean, maybe that's too much vulnerability for So Bong around the guy who hit her and said he should've hit her harder, and obviously even if she did say something it didn't work since he went and messed up their date (or... did she say something that INSPIRED him to mess up their date?). But it did feel like an opportunity.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 8:19 AM
replying here 'coz no reply link in original comment:
YES, humanSHIN is so freaking EXTRA! I love that about him. :D
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 8:44 AM
I really love that about him, too. The very demonstrative character is always super fun.
But! My heart also always breaks for the nobly restrained character, so NS and NS 3 have me coming AND going. NS 3 reminds me of the quote from A Farewell to Arms: 'You are so brave and quiet I forget you are suffering.' It saddens me, to think of Ro Ra, Young Hoon or anyone else overlooking NS 3. And it saddens me to think of NS acting out for love. It is all so sad.
GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 8:42 AM
MAYBE! Nam Shin is a genius lol like his mother. He thinks of many ways to mess up the lives of Sobong and Nam Shin 3 🙈🙈🙈
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July 27, 2018 at 5:52 AM
Homeboy HumanShin is such a complex baby. Despite his a$$y behavior I still find myself rooting for him. He's so magnetic and full of flaws and has such a human response to everything - he's a creature of emotion and I appreciate that about him the most.
On the other hand, I am honestly afraid of what will happen to my Sunshine Boy Shinnamon. As much as I want him to be happy, I also can't help but think twice about HOW his relationship with SB will work in reality.
Unpopular opinion: my heart is low-key shipping SB and HumanShin now. What is UP with my radar these days...
We have 4 more episodes to go - I wonder how it'll all end.
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Mehgann
July 27, 2018 at 6:31 AM
I, for one, completely agree with you. What happens if SoBong stays in a relationship forever with someone who, let's face it, is definitely NOT going to become a "real boy"? No sex forever? Or worse...a very high priced sex toy? Kdramas would love to convince us (in many cases) that sex doesn't happen in Korea, but c'mon!!!! How does that work?
Also, the line when Shin asked how she might feel if someone tried to kill her, and then she woke up to an electronic replica that everyone thought was better than her...well, I know how I'd feel, and I'd be pretty upset by that. It's not that they weren't trying to help him, because of course they were. But, as the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I think their whole premise was wrong. I think Umma's whole premise for making a robot version of her son so she wouldn't miss him was wrong. Expend that energy and brilliant brain to get your kid out of the hell house, lady!!! WTH??!?!?!
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 7:49 AM
I love ShinnaBong but how will it ever work? I'm SB's Dad right now - resigned to see daughter face certain doom in the relationship department.
Exactly! Mom had the wrong idea to begin with and now she has these 2 sons that she doesn't know what to do with because one of them hates/resents her (rightfully so because ABANDONMENT ISSUES LADY) and the other one loves her too much.
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🍭 liquidsoap | Two Nam Shins
July 27, 2018 at 10:25 AM
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Mehgann
July 27, 2018 at 6:34 AM
That's not to say that I don't love our little shinnamon, just like everyone else, because I do. It's just that humans NEED the touch of other humans.
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July 27, 2018 at 7:17 AM
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 7:50 AM
Yes, which is funny because HumanShin said those same words (maybe with a bit of a bite, but not untrue). Ultimately, SB would feel like she's missing out because no matter how adorable and pure Shinnamon Roll is, he's just...a robot (and it PAINS me to say this!).
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 7:53 AM
I mean, in reality, sure, because we don't have robots like NS 3. But in this drama, where NS 3 is a person, and So Bong wants him to be the one to touch her, I don't see a problem with it. He's not a sex toy, because there's a person there.
Like, if a human body didn't have an animating spirit... it would be... uh... necrophilia. We're in a dark place! Sorry about that. I assume nobody is in for that.
Of course, we all debate how far NS 3 is a person (to my mind, he's very much one though with key differences to humans). But these are my 2 cents: I believe he is one, and that So Bong wants what she says she wants, and it's why I want them together. Though in another comment I was advocating for NS to kiss her, so it's not like I don't enjoy romantic complications. ;)
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 7:57 AM
I have zero idea how this will all end and it's making me both giddy and anxious because WHAT IF THE WRITER SCREWS THIS UP?
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July 27, 2018 at 8:07 AM
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 8:11 AM
I will emotionally die and be rebirthed in a whole new Shipping Hell. :D
GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 8:47 AM
if that happens I will die! Lol
This show foreshadows a lot and my brain hurts XD
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 9:02 AM
I imagined it too 😍😍😍 We need to see that! I really want to see that (okay I sound like a pervert)
I am just clinging on to what he told Nam shin 3.
"Should I mess with her?" "Should I hold her hand and kiss her?"
THAT GOT ME FLIPPING EVERYTHING AROUND ME lol I'm going crazy XD
zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 9:33 AM
MUST YOU MAKE ME THINK THAT? NOW I CANNOT GET IT OUT OF MY HEAD!!!! :D
Yuki
July 27, 2018 at 2:58 PM
Agree with everything but not really with Nam Shin starting a love triangle. I know, Nam Shin is hot, and if you think about it, he has sex in his DNA which NS3 lacks, that makes him attractive in comparison. But he hates So Bong and he's only messing with NS3 and her. So it wouldn't feel right for me if he kisses her, and I'm sure she wouldn't like it. So Bong wants NS3's love and it doesn't seem she thinks she is missing anything. The girl is putting her life on the line for NS3, she luffffs him. I'm sure that they can find a way to make it work, LOL. The same way NS3 is enjoying holding hands and dates with her, he can learn to enjoy other kind of ways to show affection, haha!! So, if we consider things in the frame of this fantasy world where NS3 exists, I can only support So Bong and cheer for the cute couple. :)
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 4:37 PM
You're right, you're totally right, I should not wish any ill on So Bong, and am rooting for her love. Given NS3's delighted response to all positive feedback, I am not worried about her relationship satisfaction.
JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM
Your comment reminds me of the first time NS3 kissed So Bong. At the time, she didn't like it at all and well he only kissed her because it was a means to something (refusal to Yena's marriage proposal).
I feel like if NS kisses her, it would be a means to something as well but I'm not sure what it could be right now... The probability of a NS kissing So Bong...could happen.
Mehgann
July 28, 2018 at 9:40 PM
I think you can make a case for NS3 being sentient, but he’s certainly not HUMAN. I undertand suspending realism to enjoy a drama. In all honesty, I much prefer shows with a clear fantasy element because why bother with shows that are realistic when you can just go outside? But there’s just something in my mind that cannot help but think of (and I’m sorry to be graphic here, but it’s just what I think EVERY TIME) a silicon vibrator in his pants or something like that. Wow, I sound like a perv (I swear, I’m not!!!)
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July 27, 2018 at 6:47 AM
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 7:46 AM
I'm not worried about the projects or about the battery qua the battery, but I am worried for NS 3 and So Bong's feelings. Having his watch taken is an insult to NS 3, as Ro Ra said. So Bong (who NS knows is human and has feelings!) doesn't deserve to have her emotions so drastically messed with, and NS 3 looked genuinely stricken when NS said that people should be with people. 'If I can't trust humans, who can I trust?' Same question for caring, or companionship. People are all he has. So Bong is all he has.
So I agree with you that he'll be fine and that the drama will make him evolve further, but I am worried too.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 7:55 AM
I just want redemption for HumanShin with a side dose of happiness because after all the cr@p that's been dished at him, he deserves some genuine happiness. He just needs to overcome the negativity.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 8:10 AM
Yikes. But I guess that rollercoaster of emotions is what I'm here for anyway. :D
zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 7:54 AM
Wow. You've been thinking a lot about this, haven't you? Well, I'm not gonna predict anything - just hope for the best and prepare for the worst but if they hurt my baby boy humanSHIN I will legit try to DESTROY someone (or maybe send hate mail or something!)
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 8:13 AM
NS is so magnetic he's overshadowing the sweet Shinnamon Roll. I now feel only a tenth of what I initially felt for Shinnamon because my heart is now invested in humanSHIN.
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July 27, 2018 at 7:34 AM
Thanks for the great recap, Lollypip!
I'm so glad you think as I do re the clothes change, as I have seen speculation the Shins somehow switched earlier/NS 3 was on manual, and it has me stressed when I was sure before. This does make NS's triumph hilarious, but that is sort of his way. Yes, congratulations, you fooled her for all of two seconds in a darkened cinema, and part of your devilish plan was to burst into tears. Boy, you are a mess. I figure he's doing more with this sally, but this step was funny in a way--though also, maybe this is just me, I was hoping a little tiny bit that he would kiss her on this date. I don't want So Bong taken advantage of! And I don't want them together romantically! But I guess I am a sucker for drama. It would be such a bad thing for him to do! So Bong would be really happy for a moment and then try to twist his head off! This doesn't mean I'm not mad the poor cuties, who have so little, didn't just get their date with NS 3's constantly evolving playful flirting and joking.
The details of the two characters remain awesome. Of course NS puts his feet up in the cinema and NS 3 would never.
I will say, the grandfather having super ironic dementia doesn't work for me. Like the revelation the kill switch would explode NS 3, it comes off as a bit funny when it shouldn't. There were ways to make both work--Ro Ra clarifying from the start that the kill switch would explode him because she had to destroy the technology, Grandpa not having dementia (so the lie detector test still works) but having another condition that makes him confused, and covering (in his control freak way) via pretend dementia, but as it stands, no.
Grandpa as an abuser, however, is right on. He breaks people and despises them for being broken: he likes our Shinnamon Crumble because he sees him as not having human weaknesses, and yet he keeps trying to exploit them because NS 3 *does* clearly have wants, and the grandpa can see them. He offers Ro Ra and So Bong as incentives to NS 3. But Grandpa doesn't understand exactly why NS 3 is refusing, and NS 3's weaknesses don't display in the same way as a human's. I'm hoping Grandpa won't find a way into NS 3's head but the fear is there! This one powerful person did poison so many lives, and everyone had to twist into terrible shapes to survive.
Obviously, NS's opener was heartbreaking. It was all stuff I kind of figured anyway, but it's good to have it confirmed. Going to a hotel with a lady so he doesn't have to sleep in that house/his prison, awful stuff! (Is he not sleeping with ANY of them? Surely one or two, unless the NS/YH ship is coming in...) The waiting for his mom 20 years, and the fact he and Ro Ra were both kept apart by being explicitly threatened with the other's safety, is terribly sad. I do wonder how it would have been, if he hadn't been hit by the truck, and Ro Ra had run to him with embraces. I mean, there still would've been an epic...
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 7:35 AM
(I'm doing it again...) I mean, there still would've been an epic tantrum over the robot! But maybe it would've gone better.
I feel like So Bong would have answered Original Sin's (very relatable) question about how she'd feel if she was replaced by a robot--which also indicated interestingly that Original Sin knows So Bong's family circumstances (just having her dad). I'm hoping we flash back and get to see her answer in the next episode. I'm also hoping for So Bong to get a V/O next episode. We have only 4 episodes to go and that means only 4 PoVs! Please don't waste one on Jongil, show.
For an episode starting with Human NS's PoV, it sure did break my heart for poor angel Shinnabeleagured. I am ruined for him. Maybe the saddest thing for me was hearing him say, amiably smiling, to So Bong's dad that he had nowhere else to go. He really doesn't. Imagine being 20, raised in seclusion, taught you have no feelings yet are responsible for caretaking others' emotions, agreeing instantly to go do a massive task for your mother because she was sad, being hurled into a whole new environment with masses of people super different to you, and trying your best. Asking to go home, and being put off, until you understand that there isn't going to be any home, or any more affection--that you're being discarded. I know he doesn't feel exactly as humans do, but he feels enough, and as someone who wept over Toy Story 3 I am distraught for him. If it wasn't for a very new connection that he's formed all on his own, he'd have been sunk.
And yet NS 3, who has so little, emphatically rejects David when he finds out about David's betrayal. (And how sweet is his continuous care, that he also considered that Ro Ra--again, someone who's tossing him away--would be OK because she had David.) I do believe David loves NS 3 and he was driven by scientific passion, but it is such a betrayal, colluding with the kidnapper of Ro Ra's child. It made David's judgement of Ro Ra sit very ill with me, even while I didn't want any talk of a kill switch either. I loved seeing NS 3 call him out. And it made me remember again that in episode 1, at the very start, Shinnamon was already notably more stand-offish with David than his mother. NS 3 is our moral compass in a lot of ways: I do think he loves David, but I also think he sensed something was off, while he's able to see sincerity in Ro Ra and So Bong despite their mistakes. This also gives me more hope for NS. NS 3 still continually empathizes with NS, asking if NS would be happier if NS 3 changed his name, telling Grandpa NS would be sad Grandpa doesn't care, saying he doesn't want to take what belongs to NS.
Empathy is the name of the game this episode, with Young Hoon also trying to empathize with NS (Poor Young Hoon, who says he knows he's lacking! In a sweet emotional scene! In a... closet, huh, OK show), with So Bong and NS both crying in the cinema, with NS asking So Bong for...
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 7:38 AM
(and again, oh me!) ... with NS asking So Bong for empathy. But NS has to start displaying some himself--he hasn't so far. He has certainly been encouraged not to develop any--for instance, I fully understand him pushing away Hee Dong: we see what Grandpa does to Young Hoon, a grown man, and how he threatens Ro Ra. Getting attached to a helpless child would be very dangerous around Grandpa. Yet at the same time, NS's lack of empathy is destroying all the possible good relationships in his life and will isolate him and hurt him further. Whether NS can demonstrate empathy or not is going to show us whether he's going to walk down the path of villainy--in horribly becoming Grandpa, someone he hates--or not.
I also understand why NS would find NS 3's goodness maddening, especially as he can't know how far NS 3 is a person. I've seen people say he's programmed to be perfect--indeed, Ro Ra said that angrily. Ironically, it's when she was asking him why he'd changed and was being imperfect. (I remain impressed by the way the show gets the audience to think Ro Ra's way sometimes, long after she's thought that way.) NS 3 been able to break out of his programming in all sorts of ways, we've seen that he's chosen to do so--but so far, when making his choices, Shinnamon has always chosen to be kind. It would be horrific to see that choice to be kind taken away from him.
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 8:55 AM
I love how you emphasized the relationship of Nam Shin and sobong.I want to see more of them maybe while spending time with her, he would see the light in this cruel world. Because she too suffered, but was able to see the goodness in someone because of Nam shin 3. I was about to ask, why her of all people? He could have asked Young hoon but yeah, she striaght forward and honest. Maybe that's why he is attracted? To her? I can't say attracted as of now. Maybe the right word is curious. Nam shin 3 changed sobong and Sobong changed nam shin3. Maybe they can do the same to the original
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 9:13 AM
I think it's a combo of things.
1) Her confession to him, which both piqued his interest as he knew it was to a robot, and how had this robot managed this? and also which I think did strike him as genuine and was explicitly not motivated by the desire for anything but his company--which is a powerful thing for NS, raised as he has been, to hear someone say. Almost to him. But not quite.
2) Young Hoon and Ro Ra are in this messed up situation with him, both of them played by Grandpa. So Bong has never been forced into being Grandpa's puppet (yet... he may have his eye on her, as he knows she's important to NS 3). [Oh my God, Grandpa, don't have the gym demolished to bully NS 3!] They're in the trap with NS: they're used by Grandpa to bait the trap.
3) Sadly, Ro Ra and Young Hoon, with all the love in the world, are saying what NS wants to hear 'the robot doesn't matter, we love you.' But he's been trained to distrust love, and he is right they're not being quite truthful, and they do care about the robot. While So Bong is not just being 100% truthful, but reinforcing NS's fear. So of course she seems to him like she's the one whose word can be counted on. He's so messed up, he tells himself the thing he can't have (not So Bong, but So Bong saying he's better than the robot) would convince him and make him feel better.
I tragically wish that this would end like Robot Sassy Go Go, with NS 3 and So Bong together, but everybody happy joking friends. I know it will not be. :(((
GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 9:36 AM
You're absolutely correct! She was not driven by anything else to love Roboshin but love.
mom and Young hoon seems to really confused since they are both attached to human and Robot shin
Oh if IF granpashin would dare to try to hurt or even touch the gym peope I don't know what Nam Shin 3 would do. He is kind because he chose to be kind. we all saw how he is if someone bad mouthed SoBong.
Oh what would Nam shin 3 do when he found out that Nm Shin approached sobong and all. He gave him two warnings already.
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 9:42 AM
Sometimes I fear what NS 3 may do, and sometimes I consider how much he has already patiently borne, and I for one embrace our new robot overlord. Go off, Shinnamon Glaze!
awsomesauce23
July 28, 2018 at 2:50 PM
lol when I saw him in the car with his battery nowhere to be found I was like oooooh he's gonna be so mad when he wakes up. Not to mention what so bong's going to do to shin.
JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 7:51 PM
I believe empathy is going to save NS. He hates sympathy /pity which is what Yena shows but denies.
I don't know who exactly will show him the empathy he needs but I'm hoping that it'll be NS3 just because he pretended to Shin and is trying to understand him in this episode...I believe NS3 will come to know NS the best.
Or... his dad will show up and tell him to stop his self-destructive way or he'll end up "dead" like him too? Jong-Gil did say NS was like his father... XD
Guess we'll see...
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Jamie Opso
August 5, 2018 at 6:56 PM
"And it made me remember again that in episode 1, at the very start, Shinnamon was already notably more stand-offish with David than his mother. NS 3 is our moral compass in a lot of ways: I do think he loves David, but I also think he sensed something was off..."
I interpreted that (in episode 1) as kind of Oedipal jealousy? I mean, NSIII was aalllll about his mother, and David was flirtatious with his mom.
Still, I am glad NSIII called David out for his shady and disloyal dealings with Grandfather. Not cool, David - especially with the added santimoniousness and hypocrisy of judging Ro Ra for being a bad mom.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 8:04 AM
That last paragraph hit me in the Feels. That poor boy - pretending to be a phildanderer just so he could get away from Grandpa for a few hours. Breaks my heart.
Yes, Grandpa's Irony Dementia is kinda funny but it serves him right! HOW dare he emotionally abuse my poor baby HumanSHIN! He's a horrible human being who deserves all the bad karma in the universe!
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 9:19 AM
I am super curious about both Young Hoon and NS's romantic experience. We know So Bong and NS 3 don't have any. NS could be a huge playboy, could not have any because he's been living in this glittering pain aquarium his whole life, could be somewhere in between. He could be into YH or have a first crush on SB or love Ye Na but never have shown it because Grandpa would be on it like a bonnet. YH could be into NS or could be not interested in romance or...? He did say he'd been lonely all his life so I presume no steady girlfriend (or boyfriend).
YH and NS are both very handsome dudes who I assume (well, we know in NS's case) have had a lot of opportunities! What is going on, my guys? NS 3 was out of the Czech castle compound five minutes before a florist tried to bang him like a screen door, and now he basically has a girlfriend, y'all. Well, we'll never know because it's a kdrama, but the fake philandering sure is thought-provoking.
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Yuki
July 27, 2018 at 3:10 PM
Yeah, I guess it's not the writers intention but all this is coming out in a suspicious way. NS and YH seem to be lovers more than friends sometimes, haha!! And when YH said "my Shin" the other day, I was laughing because I'm sure they only want to show that NS is all YH has. But these two are so hot, single and only caring for each other in such sweet way (at least from YH's side)...it's unavoidable that one would wonder what's going on there.
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 4:29 PM
Just seems like SOMEONE should be noticing YH is handsome. ;)
JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 7:44 PM
Did you see the behind the scene in the part where Yena takes RoboShin to her party and in the BTS, SKJ loops his arm with Lee Joon Hyuk (YH)? lol I thought it was cute.
Jamie Opso
August 5, 2018 at 7:04 PM
"That poor boy - pretending to be a phildanderer just so he could get away from Grandpa for a few hours."
Or, you know...so no one will know he's gay, possibly?
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17 lemoncello
July 27, 2018 at 7:35 AM
oh my... they're watching "The Classic"....
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WishfulToki
July 27, 2018 at 4:33 PM
Can you explain a bit? I haven't watched that movie. There seemed to be a necklace, and a lot of crying. I was wondering if it has any meaning for AYHT.
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JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 7:57 PM
I've seen it but I watched it so long ago...I can't remember.
Here's the summary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Classic
Hm...having refreshed myself, I think there could actually be some meaning for AYHT!!! Especially in reference to the necklace...Is it foreshadowing an ending like Goblin?
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lemoncello
July 27, 2018 at 7:59 PM
Jo Seung-woo (Joon-ha) & Son Yejin's (Joo-hee) characters were star-crossed lovers. Joo-hee gave Joon-ha a necklace to remember their time together, but then the couple separated because of their guilt. Joo-ha then lost his sight while retrieving the necklace Joo-hee gave him during the Vietnam War. After he got back and met her again, he hid his blindness and lied her that he's married so she can move with her life.
Pretty sad story isn't it?
Nah, the fact that SB gave NS3 her heart necklace, it got me thinking, is it a pre-ominous? :(
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PakalanaPikake
July 27, 2018 at 10:43 PM
@wishfultoki,
THE CLASSIC is one of my favorite Korean films. It is a tearjerker, and in turn echoes the short story "Sonagi" ("Rain Shower"), which itself is tragic. An English translation is available online.
You might want to watch it to see how it relates to ARE YOU HUMAN TOO. I'm not sure if we're going to see Noble Idiocy in the drama, but there is a strong theme of self-sacrifice in the movie. While love evades the OTP in the parental generation in the movie, their children's path comes full circle.
The music in this movie is terrific. I suspect that this number from the OST, with it's imagery of tears, is right on the money for the scene in the cinema. It is very apropos for HumanShin, who has been exposed to nothing but pain. The same could be said for Young-hoon, too.
Too Painful a Love Was Not Love, Kim Kwang Seok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Kz4-1081g
If we are in love, then...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8g-MyS_nO4
folk dance setting of "You to Me, Me to You"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ucjiJoVUsQ
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WishfulToki
July 28, 2018 at 3:51 PM
@pakalanapikake and @lemoncello thank you, I did my homework actually and watched the film today. I do think that the necklace is foreboding... The drama showed snippets of 2 scenes:
1) So Bong cried watching the bit where the guy leaves the necklace she gave him behind, signalling that he's giving up on their love for the sake of his best friend. We see the necklace hanging on the door, then cut to So Bong crying. Ominous if you ask me.
2) Nam Shin cried at the reunion many years later when the guy said that "I have so many things to say but I can't seem to remember it now", as a cloak for hiding the pain he is in, which makes him unable to talk to those he loves. Noble idiocy if you like, but it wasn't worthless because their children got a turn at happiness.
Anyway, I loved the film, and seeing those historical glimpses of 1970s Korea was cool and heart-wrenching. The OST is beautiful. :)
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WishfulToki
July 28, 2018 at 3:55 PM
Also, regarding 2) I think Nam Shin's real redemption is not finding romance, but mending his relationship with his mother. They clearly got along well 20 years ago, but now that they have met again under twisted circumstances he can't say he missed her and lies instead.
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PakalanaPikake
July 28, 2018 at 4:35 PM
@wishfultoki,
I like your interpretation. In a way it mirrors the situation with Chil-sung and his mother in GREASY MELO. A romance wasn't what the gangster with a heart of gold needed. He needed to mend fences with the mother who abandoned him. That dire childhood wound disrupted Chil-sung's life -- and the same is true for Nam Shin. Until you can love yourself, you cannot love anyone else. Paradoxically, being loved unconditionally by our parents (or other significant people) gives us the capacity to love ourselves and others.
Shin's having to lie to survive (because of Evil Grandpa's threats) royally screwed him up as a child. But he's no longer a vulnerable and defenseless little kid. He's got people who have been rooting for him all along. He just has to let them in.
PakalanaPikake
July 28, 2018 at 4:24 PM
@wishfultoki,
I'm so glad you enjoyed the movie and its music. "Me to You, You to Me" is one of my all-time favorite Korean songs.
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18 laladaisical
July 27, 2018 at 7:39 AM
While seeing Shin’s perspective added nuance to his present behavior, I am not convinced it is a valid excuse. In order to survive, he built a disaffected, aggro persona in which to hide his true self. YH is correct, Shin is highly introspective, but he has lost sight of himself, and more importantly, in what he wants to accomplish.
His anger towards Ro-ra and the conflagration that is coming for Chairman Nam are understandable, even deserved. But his rage towards NS3, and the danger it invites, is beyond feeling slighted and beyond acceptable. Not once since Shin regained consciousness has he exhibited an ounce of genuine care for anyone. Not even towards YH. He wonders why he is compared to a robot and is downvoted in favor of said robot? Because he hasn’t treated anyone with decency and respect, let alone with love. He only does what is expected of him, and that is to play on the persona he created to avoid expectations.
Shin is enacting the same drama that triggered his initial lie to Ro-ra with SB and NS3. The difference here is that SB isn’t cowardly like his mother, and NS3 has the strength and the will to act as Shin should act.
Being that this is a kdrama, Shin will be redeemed. But at whose expense? That’s my biggest worry for this show.
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laladaisical
July 27, 2018 at 8:03 AM
(Cont’d because I have thoughts!)
Chairman Nam and NS3’s relationship is interesting. He saw NS3 as a another tool to keep PK Group at the top, but he is beginning to humanize him, asking him questions about his desire, asking if he wants to live as his grandson. It’s all steeped in regret and guilt, mind, but it is so intriguing to see what’s a stock Chairman villain grow into one of the best chances for the Hero’s survival and continual happiness.
About SB: as she is the human catalyst, she will be the One to humanize Shin. Not in a romantic way. Not here for that. There’s just no way that’s possible unless there’s a massive time jump or they mindwipe me and implant false memories of episodes where Shin isn’t an absolute dog to her and she grows to be friends with him, then she comes to terms with NS3 no longer being in existence, then she tentatively accepts looking at Shin in a positive, romantic light. Those are the only two paths to making a SB/Shin romance plausible.
Unlike a lot of people here and elsewhere, I see nothing wrong with NS3 and SB being together in a long, loving relationship. Will it be difficult? Of course. But it’s not impossible. Also, this is coming from the woman who wanted the ghost to end up with the guy in Oh My Ghostess, so I’m all about difficult love stories.
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DoubleFault
July 28, 2018 at 12:21 AM
Amen on everything. There are people who can live with companionship, minus the sexual aspect. It is not common but I've met a few people who can live with just that. It's why I think that a relationship with Sobong and RoboShin is possible, but with a steady supply of batteries, and regular visits to Rora and David. As one beanie has commented, it is indeed a love story for the ages.
Speaking of difficult love stories, AYHT in a way reminds me of You Who Came From the Star. Now that they've put in The Classic also, I'm wondering if the ending of AYHT will be as bittersweet.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 8:06 AM
Wow, I never thought he'd be redeemed at someone's expense, but now I'm genuinely scared for Sunshine Shinnamon Crumble because (what if...?)...
Nope. No no no. Let's not go there!
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MaryBee
July 27, 2018 at 8:52 AM
I am terribly afraid for my Shinnamon Toast Crunch. He has already paid and paid, and he has done nothing wrong, but hearts of gold often get rewarded with pain. *sobs* He is so brave and quiet people forget he is suffering.
NS, on task! I know your feelings are hurt but somebody hit you with a truck. Everybody needs to be trying to neutralize the actual threat. Tsk, tsk. This is how abusers get you, making you fight each other rather than the root cause of all the pain.
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JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 8:02 PM
"Being that this is a kdrama, Shin will be redeemed. But at whose expense? "
I hope it's at the Grandfather's expense...>_>
Or could it be his dad?
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19 Fatcat007 (Kitty 💜)
July 27, 2018 at 7:57 AM
Thank you for the recap Lollypip & i completely agree with your views in the first paragraph , you said exactly what was on my mind.
Human Shin needs to understand that NS3 is NOT taking his place so he doesn't have to do all this. He's almost back to full health so just let NS3 go.
But yes, one thing that might support his weird behavior in today's ep (only) is that he discovered about his scheming grampa sponsoring & stuff. In that case I think he can feel threatened if grampa wants to permanently substitute ns3 fir the human shin.
But apart from that, Shin should leave shinnabong alone, I mean just don't bother with them is all I'm saying.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 8:08 AM
I think just when he's a smidge away from dipping in the good side of his humanity, something horrible happens and he goes like - nope, no no no, never gonna be vulnerable again.
In this episode, it was the whole Grandpa Debacle, plus Seo and Toady goading him.
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20 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
July 27, 2018 at 8:10 AM
It's a kdrama. We should have been expecting that from the beginning.
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zgs1994
July 27, 2018 at 8:21 AM
I know, right.
No body means Dad is alive if not quite in Mint Condition. :D
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PakalanaPikake
July 27, 2018 at 10:53 PM
If dad Jung-woo really is still alive, then we have son Shin in a like-father-like-son parallel, but for a shorter duration.
It's interesting, and more than a little creepy.
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21 GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 8:25 AM
I love this episode! Starting from Nam Shin's back story to the plot twist that got us on the edge of our seats!
This won't be long ^-^
Nam shin is angry about having being replaced. He needed someone to makenhim realize things that that person would not lash out at him. Considering on how he acts right now, that is very unlikely. Young hoon seems to be tired of him. His grandpa doesn't care about him. And he is pushing away his mom.
I don't know you guys would agree but I think sobong would be able to help him heal, since they both encountered NS3. Human Shin keeps on proving NS3, I hope he would see the good side of Ns3. Just like Sobong.
Plus Nam Shin had the most realistic reaction of all. Being replaced by a robot whom everyone loves after you recovered from coma is a realistic reaction from him.
Lastly, I am afraid for nam shin III because of that BTS
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JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 8:03 PM
"Lastly, I am afraid for nam shin III because of that BTS"
You mean the scene at the very end? T^T
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 9:08 PM
😢😢😢😭😭😭 yes 😭😭😭 I am afriad for him... I hope something eould happen that would save ouram shin 3
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22 guest
July 27, 2018 at 8:51 AM
It's so funny to me that human Nam Shin cried because of a sad movie when he wasn't even able to watch it in full. Or was he just acting? Anyway, one of my predictions was human Shin pretending to be Shin III during a date with Sobong and Sobong would know she's being deceived by seeing Shin cry. I just can't believe the show will do it in such a corny way. The theater's dark and he's been there for only a short time...
Aww Shin cares for his mom! He pretended to not care when Younghoon told him to visit her because she's sick, but he actually went to her house. Too bad he's the king of overhearing important conversations in this drama, and he learned about Grandpa's place in the creation of Shin III instead. I can't believe he's now my favorite character despite being only here for a few episodes. He actually made me look forward to the company politics, which I used to find boring but necessary in providing conflict to the show. He may seem pathetic to most for being petty and lashing out, but he actually has utterly realistic and believable reactions to waking up to see a doppelganger replacing him and being better at running his life: incredulity, a sense of insecurity and inferiority, and lots and lots of anger. Probably fear too. It's probably a nightmare scenario for him (and that after living a hellish existence in his grandpa's house for most of his life), and he's justified in wanting to destroy his impostor robot. And for him, there's no ethical or moral dilemma in wanting to destroy Shin III. There shouldn't be (except maybe in destroying another's property). As adorable and loveable his personality is, Shin III is literally just a programmable metal doll created by Shin's mother to replace him when he was taken away for her. In fact, this is why I was never angry at Rora for installing the kill switch. As a scientist, she has the right to do as she pleases with her creation, even if it's to destroy it. In this drama, AI technology is not advanced (except for Nam Shin III) or widespread enough to even discuss “robot rights”. It's not like this is W where the webtoon artist was trying to kill his character who became an actual breathing and living human. Anyway, that was a fantasy drama and this one is scifi. I might be projecting a lot because the idea of doppelgangers scare me, and I'm happy that a future with highly advanced AI who looks like humans is too far off from my lifetime. I think that if I were in Shin's shoes, I would have already activated that kill switch. And destroyed that server room before it’s used to create an army of Nam Shin III’s.
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guest
July 27, 2018 at 8:55 AM
I'm not sure if redemption is possible for human Shin. I sure hope there will be one. I just want him to be alive in the end; maybe living a peaceful life alone in a cabin in the woods away from most technology. And reading why the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Or writing his own manifesto about the AI revolution. Just kidding.
As for the other characters, I’m quite disappointed in Younghoon's characterization because he's the only character who is consistently likable in the drama. Every other major character had or has flaws that make them unlikable at some point - Sobong and her mercenary ways in the beginning, Rora's turning on Nam Shin III (which I was fine with but viewers clearly didn't like that), Yena's purpose in life, David secretly collaborating with Grandpa, etc. His only flaw seems to be constantly making decisions for Nam Shin without the latter's input, but that comes from his admirable loyalty to Shin and his life of being a shadow doing everything for Shin's interest. I kind of want him to betray Shin at some point (and I feel that the writer is good enough to do it well), but that's too much conflict for a show with only 4 episodes left. As for Yena, I don't want her to end up with Shin, but not because I dislike her character. In fact, I never disliked her. I just want her to snap out of her lifelong obsession to be with Shin, and have a life not only focused on him. Maybe find her own friends to.
Wow I wrote too much, and I haven’t even talked about the Nam Shin III-Sobong romance (which to be honest, I have lots of complaints about lol).
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Kafiyah Bello
July 27, 2018 at 3:39 PM
Thank you, thank you. I thought I was the only one who finds NS to be perfectly reasonable. NSIII is a robot, no amount of learning makes him less that. Sigh, thank you for articulating my feelings.
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JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 8:17 PM
The movie in the theater is called, "The Classic". It was made in 2003 and it was a big hit in Korea. "The Classic" is considered legendary in terms of the romance genre and there has been many references to it in many shows and movies. In What's Wrong With Secretary Kim, there is a reference to it too!! lol
Anyways, I assumed NS already saw the movie and cried because he knows the story. I don't believe he was acting.
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23 Amy
July 27, 2018 at 10:31 AM
@12345abc I am mentioning you here because there was no replying option in the other comment.
"Lol i love your reactions XD I flipped the table too when I first saw it.
Oh have you seen the string attached to Kang Joon at the end of the video?"
What you mean by the string? Actually I am not watching it just catching up through the recaps but I watched this ep but didn't noticed anything like that.
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 6:57 PM
Oh it is from the behind the scenes of this episode. They have shown a sneak peek in the making for the coming episode on monday and tuesday where Seo Kang joon is standing on on the edge of a building with a string or rope attached to his back. 😣😣😣
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24 pickledplumtree
July 27, 2018 at 12:23 PM
I'm late to this party but so happy to be here! I am an all or nothing type of gal. I was werkin' to the point of sleeping a few hours a night in June. Who'd believe I'm a kinder teacher and not some big-wig occupation?! In July I've been trying to put everything else in my life back in place. I was nervous to come back to my beloved dramas because I want to still be productive this summer outside of work and appointments. I so...so...slowly started this drama. It took me about 5 start ups to get past the opening sequence. And then I marathoned straight through to this ep. 😂 😭 We can't change our essence, can we?!
After episode (3-4) with the whole fire craziness I thought the overdramatics of this show made Dae Jang Geum's take on soybean paste trivial. But then things chilled out. I'm so into this drama!
After reading the synopsis, I thought the scenario was going to be that something happened that caused human Nam Shin to go away, and his family just made a robot to replace him for chaebol.company purposes, and he returned and reclaimed his place in a fantastic fury. Boy was I wrong!
I feel like the show isn't really exploring the angle of "Hey, it's kinda weird/borderline creepy that you have romantic feelings for an object," or even the idea that others might think that. It's more like, "You're crazy gurl, you'll only get hurt!" But at the same time...we're right there with you So Bong, Nam Shin III makes our heart skip tooooo!
He is just such a lovable...I'll say it...cinnamon roll (I'm sure it's been said already!) and yes LollyPip! Human Nam Shin is beyond grumpy and I was almost surprised (and definitely delighted) to see I'm not the only one who's got some issues with the fella!
Now I'm just waiting for the show to explore the fact that Robo Nam Shin has definitely had some human emotions going on from the beginning. Missing his mom, looking at those pool photos, wanting to go back home, missing So Bong (program error my foot!), and of course we're getting into the jealousy now. Gosh we are rooting for you, Nam Shin III!
Lastly, the triple trick with gramps now actually having dementia kinda annoyed me. That's all for now!
I'm lovin' it!
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25 Kurama
July 27, 2018 at 1:47 PM
I don't think that Nam Shin III saved Nam Shin. They could have brought him back with the help of the grandfather and treated him in Korea. Even if he's a jerk, he wouldn't have wanted Jong Gil to win. All they did was about the society : his place, his money, the power war.
I don't like the fact that Nam Shin III is so free. He keeps important informations for him like the dementia of the grandfather or the fact that he sponsored the research to build him. Again Nam Shin discovered this by chance... Why Nam Shin III is "protecting" the grandfather ? He cares about how Nam Shin is with Bong So but he doesn't see where the danger is...
In general way, if I love how Nam Shin III is cute, kind, smart ==> perfect, I don't like the idea of a robot that looks like a human. What is the purpose ?
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HappyBana
July 28, 2018 at 5:18 PM
Yeah agree with you.
Helping Human Shin like that is not what Shin really need and want. But the war of power is really needed for drama hahaha.
But I think Shin III is not up to the war yet. Keeping grandfather secret is based on his basic rules: keep promises. Then about knowing how the grandfather has been founding his development.. not really sure. Maybe he is just not done making judgement how to act to that information beside confronting David. We can see what Shin III will do for all of this mess next episodes. Aaah so excited~ i don't think the manual mode can really completely bend our dear roboboy.
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26 suk
July 27, 2018 at 1:59 PM
NS3 is becoming his own person! This drama shows how an AI is being shaped and influenced by the people around him on his journey in finding an identity, and I think this really well-written storyline teaches so much to us about being self-dependent and self-loving.
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JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 8:11 PM
Yes! I agree with your comment and Lollypip's observation that he's becoming his own person! Love watching the progress :)
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27 WishfulToki
July 27, 2018 at 2:20 PM
I think this drama has released my inner Loki. I'm loving this messed up situation:
A) Grandpa has dementia. PWAHAHA. Sorry but it's perfect that the one who lied about his health in order to manipulate people has got it for real now.
B) Ro-Ra is lying on ComaShin's bed. PFFFFT. Maybe she's finally realised she shouldn't have made a robot son in the first place (of course, we'd have no story, but her reason for doing it was utterly selfish).
C) "Young-hoon goes into damage control mode". The poor guy has an automatic damage control mode and is less free than the actual robot. Young-Hoon, I can write your resignation letter. Just get out of there! *sob*. Oh wait. He won't leave.. because...
D) Nam Shin: "I'm a tough cookie and I don't want nobody's pity, but this movie is so sad so I'm crying, yeah geddit".
Does anybody know which movie it is? It might give us a clue about what is happening to make him cry...
And in case you think I've lost all appreciation for anything good that happens:
E) RoboShin is making So-Bong's dad chill a bit. He was always very grumpy to So-Bong, so much that she didn't think he cared for her (remember the hospital scene? She thought Jong-Gil was a better dad!) Now he's finally having conversations with his daughter showing her that he really does care, instead of just hitting her when she complains.
I really think that's the whole point of the show: that Nam Shin 3 making the characters as well as viewers reflect if they are acting as humans should... I'm just not sure if Nam Shin 3 will survive once he's completed this mission. Bah humbug. Do robots have to be useful to have a reason to exist? He may decide that he doesn't have to serve anybody and goes off to travel the world with So-Bong at the end.
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28 RLD
July 27, 2018 at 2:43 PM
Has anybody admitted that a huge portion of how we as "humans" react to situations is LEARNED. We come out a blank slate that has to be taught, and learns from experiences. This robo is "LEARNING" what is expected of him and how he is supposed to respond to situations. He is being taught and learning the rules of society, just as we were and are. It's ever evolving. He is behind the curve on learning to read threatening behavior, except when he perceives someone, or thing, will come btwn him and his "friend". However, threats to his own existence he still needs to be taught, or learn, how to recognize.
Sex toy....really? That was a demeaning descriptor. Does anybody recall how he researched playing the piano? There are video's and lit available a plenty for him to research. Lucky her, he won't feel the overwhelming need to fall asleep afterwards, and, he'll cuddle and talk, post-coitus, if she wants to.
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JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 8:19 PM
"However, threats to his own existence he still needs to be taught, or learn, how to recognize."
So true! He hasn't learn self-preservation like NS yet...
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29 zitless
July 27, 2018 at 3:46 PM
ikr, but the point is that he should not take it out on NS3 and So Bong. His infatuation with her is that of a greedy kid who is eyeing the toy of a Kid he is jealous of.
I actually don't mind him destroying the company but leave the Loveable bot alone. He also wants to live in peace...with So Bong and her family.
My anger towards him just dialed up to 11 again. 😢😡😡
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30 Linda Palapala
July 27, 2018 at 3:59 PM
I was waiting for the episode that would start us to feel sympathy to the human Shin. And it started out that way...
Frankly, I'd be jealous too, so I can understand where Shin is coming from. Sad to admit to such a human trait (fault). I disagree with your comment "anyone with a tiny bit of sense and emotional maturity..."
I just don't see how this is going to end well for anybody.
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31 awsomesauce23
July 27, 2018 at 6:52 PM
what I find interesting is how sobong found out for sure that it wasn't shin 3 beside her. Nam shin actually cried over the show they were watching. I don't think he was faking those tears either. That pleasantly surprised me .
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32 Robotss
July 27, 2018 at 7:33 PM
I can understand that Shin has had a traumatic childhood and the frustration he faces being treated the way he is, but I can't symphathise with him for the way he chooses to behave and react. I mean, he even chooses to be mean to a young child because he can be a )*UROIJE!@JKL! ass, and masquerading as someone else's boyfriend is just...the trailers show him getting his just deserts next episode, so I'm looking forward to it.
Also, if the person who loves you the most (Young Hoon) feels so disappointed by you, then I don't know what to say. I get his discomfort with being face to face with his robo look alike but I dislike the method he is using to resolve it. Call me when he does something I can actually root for his improvement as a human being, because otherwise...well I mean Real NS is getting love here anyway, so I'm just gonna continue going on my Shinnabong way.
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33 HappyBana
July 27, 2018 at 7:48 PM
First time commenting here. Hello all~
Lets all prepare for all the possible endings, whether it will be sad or happy or maybe open ending (but oh no just no for an open ending). So far the drama has been very exciting and full of good twists. I'll just put my faith in the writers how they gonna end this. Then also I'll just enjoy the amazing performances from all the actors especially our favorite leads Seo Kang Joon and Gong Seungyeon. They are all sooooo good so i'm looking forward for their next projects!
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empressblue
July 28, 2018 at 6:41 PM
Yes, I'm ok with any ending, (whether sad, open, or happy (more on happy) as long as it is satisfying, with enough context why it lead to that ending.
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34 larelle79
July 27, 2018 at 8:18 PM
I can't believe all of this love Human Shin is getting here. He had a entire group of people who were working to make sure he stayed the heir and preparing to go up against Chairman Nan. So his answer is to be a douche canoe and a violent one at that.
The one person he claims to trust, Ya-Na, has explicitly said what he is doing is getting out of hand and his answer is again to be a douche.
When he finds out that his Grandfather not only knew about NSIII but paid for his creation, what does he do, not go to anyone to come together in the fight, no, he takes NSIII battery out to mess with So-bong.
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missjb
July 27, 2018 at 10:29 PM
Agree... I dislike NS character so much in this episode. He is to the point has already crossing the line for me. But still, i can sympathize with him. That's why the hero is our NS3 and not NS. He is the one we are rooting for to win the fight.
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35 JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 8:32 PM
I have so much to say but when I did that on ep 25-26, half my post disappeared! I've been traumatized..D: So I'll just point out some stuff I noticed.
1) NS and NS3 are actually more alike than they are different. The essential difference? Emotions. NS has too much; NS3 has too little/none. This gives me hope that NS can be redeemed.
2) Ironically, when they both pretend to be one another, it's this difference that reveals who they are or limits their ability to fool. NS3 is too rational to be NS (ie: sides with Jong-Gil and not RoRa about manufacting chip) and NS is too emotional to be NS3 (ie: cries during movie).
3) Importance of tears... The episode starts with NS's tears and ends with his tears. Reminds me of NS3's first appearance: sees, tears? Give a hug. Is it a foreshadowing that NS3 will hug/comfort NS?
4) Sweat, blood and tears, all of which NS shows...is this a biblical allusion? I'm not Christian so I googled it. BTS' MV showed up lol but what I did find was the reference to Jesus in how the took on the suffering and pain of man. Doesn't Shin name mean God in Korean?
I guess that's it... If I miss anything, I'll come back and post. lol
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JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 8:36 PM
Ah! Here's one:
5) Significance of deception and lies...again, is this another biblical allusion? When I learned about Jesus through Google, they mentioned Satan being full of deception and lies. Is Grandfather Satan in this case? Who will be NS's savior? NS himself or NS3?
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PakalanaPikake
July 28, 2018 at 3:35 PM
Among other names for Satan, there is "the father of lies."
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A44&version=NIV
He is also called the Prince of Darkness.
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WishfulToki
July 28, 2018 at 3:43 PM
Eeek, does that take Nam Shin into villain territory?
I remember that in the original news post DB translated Nam-Shin as "Swindler God".
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JanJan
July 28, 2018 at 4:07 PM
Hm...I think there could be so much biblical interpretations.
In some ways, I thought of it as NS could be an angel but probably a fallen one?
PakalanaPikake
July 28, 2018 at 4:20 PM
@wishfultoki,
Wow! That's interesting. I may have missed the original article. I was just wondering to myself what Nam Shin's name means.
@janjan18,
IIRC, Lucifer, the angelic being known as the Light Bearer, fell because of pride and rebelling against God. I may, however, be confusing Milton's poem "Paradise Lost" with the Biblical account. How embarrassing.
JanJan
July 28, 2018 at 4:04 PM
Fascinating!!!
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JanJan
July 27, 2018 at 9:12 PM
Okay here are more...XD
6) NS3's weakness: being a robot. His strength: being a robot...
7) I want to see Seo Kang Joon play a piano version of, "Love" and the "The Longing". Will this ever be possible? *_*
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36 bong-soo
July 27, 2018 at 8:35 PM
Once again I am amazed at the performance of a child actor.
Seo Eun-yool has given a wonderful performance as little Hee-dong.
His "Grandfather! I'm not Shin, I'm Hee Dong! Hee Dong!" was heartbreaking. I hope little Eun-yool is getting a lot of hugs after his scenes.
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mindy
July 27, 2018 at 8:51 PM
He’s so cute! He’s much better than the poor little boy who played little Shin... who was, quite frankly, a bit awful.
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GSY_SKJ
July 27, 2018 at 11:22 PM
That little boy is absolutely adorable especially when he said " I am so happy i could die " I am hoping though that Grandpa shin and human shin won't harm him. He is the most innocent of all
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37 PakalanaPikake
July 27, 2018 at 11:28 PM
Thank you for your recap and comments, LollyPip!
If Jung-woo is actually still alive, I can imagine another possible use for Nam Shin 3: as a host for uploading a human consciousness from an irreparably-compromised physical body. It's possible that the NS3 we all know and love could continue to exist by time-sharing his hardware with a second consciousness. Partition his disk, install more RAM, update his BIOS, and reboot...
It wouldn't surprise me if Chairman Nam has already considered this possibility. Why else would he fund Dr. Oh's AI/robotics research for 20 years? Forget the Mcar... Medi-NamShin4 would render it moot.
https://whatistranshumanism.org/
NS3's interactions with Evil Grandpa when he realized the latter really does have dementia made me think that he would make a great personal attendant for folks with dementia and Alzheimer's. As someone whose mom had the latter for 15 years, all I can say is not having emotions, coupled with bottomless patience and zero need for sleep, would be just dandy in an assistant / respite caregiver.
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JanJan
July 28, 2018 at 12:59 AM
That transmission of consciousness...That transhumanism...:O I'm mind blown! Personally, I'd think the Grandpa would want to do that and not do it for his son (but it's too late right now due his dementia). There has been references to Jung Woo said by Grandpa that implied he didn't like Jung-Woo...But who knows if what he said was the truth?
"he would make a great personal attendant for folks with dementia and Alzheimer's."
Totally agree! When RoboShin came up with the idea of the MediCar, I thought it was a reflection of who he is, his actual being. So for some reason, I just thought it was strange that RoboShin was making other machines similar to him...
That leads me to another thought. Also I don't know why but before MaiBo came into the picture, I was actually think that RoboShin's "conscious" was going to transfer to the M-Car if writers took the route to kill him but after Maibo's appearance, I thought it'll go to MaiBo instead because if he was capable of coming up with the MediCar, doesn't that mean he was capable of building his own robot too and could possibly save himself this way? Yeah, weird... I know it makes no sense...XD
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PakalanaPikake
July 28, 2018 at 4:01 PM
@janjan18,
I've been thinking that NS3 should be able to make other robots, and may actually be capable of repairing himself. Maybe he just lets Mom do it so she has a use of her own...
As for Transhumanism, it has been around for a while. Some people foresee cloning replacement flesh-and-blood bodies, others envision bionic alternatives, and some prefer going solid state and residing on a computer chip/system. Yes, it's mind-boggling.
A related field, cryonics, envisions putting a person in stasis at very low temperature (that of liquid nitrogen) in a kind of "lifeboat" until medical technology has advanced to the point at which the illness or condition that ended their life can be cured. Vitrification is a practical outgrowth of cryonics research that is has application in organ transplantation.
Grandpa Nam is the kind of megalomaniac who would love cryonics and uploading. But if he loses all his memories before he can upload to a new, healthy body, he's toast.
Memories and consciousness as defining characteristics of personhood are one thing, but what about the soul and spirit? Or the ch'i for that matter? The non-corporeal parts of human beings are hard to deal with in this context.
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JanJan
July 28, 2018 at 4:15 PM
Yes, I thought of cryonics when you mentioned transhumanism because I think that's the closest most possible and realistic form we can achieve with our current understanding of science and our technology...
And yes! Totally agree about the non-corporeal parts of human beings...I think maybe in my life time I will not know the answer to that, again, due to our limited knowledge of science and well, the universe...
Oh gosh this going into the topic of the unknown which is a little frightening! lol
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Yuki
July 28, 2018 at 2:30 AM
But why don't they just build another robot with that purpose then? They have the technology. Sorry but I don't want my precious NS3 to be discarded that way. He has become his own person and merging him or making his body host a human conciousness would be killing him. 😢
Anyway, I don't think they will go that route. I suspect that it would be either finding him a job to do (likely in PK cars or in Dad's gym) or he will sacrifice himself in the end to save So Bong. I hope it's not the latter.
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38 empressblue
July 28, 2018 at 7:04 PM
Notes/comments during the entire episode:
- If I were So Bong I would have called off the deal Young Hoon after this incident. Be with him at all times and install my own GPS too on Nam Shin 3. I'd sign up to be an apprentice to RoRa too.
- After ruining a beautiful confession, you ruin a perfect date, Nam Shin, It's going to be hard to be friends with you. Please tend to Ye Na instead if you have so much free time.
- Me during the dating scene: Re-enacting So Bong's scene in episode 7, (after the swimming pool scene) "Stop beating (heart), will you?"
- Conclusion: Bring your own napkin, tissue, or handkerchief at all times.
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Sam
July 30, 2018 at 11:48 AM
Truthfully, I think Nam Shin is simply using Ye Na and this one thing is keeping me from really feeling for him. It's one thing to lash out at everyone like a maniac and completely different matter to use a person. And to think I still have hope that he'll see our Shinnamon Roll for the amazing person that he is and at the very least leave him alone!
Also, the conclusion- bang on!
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39 Mich
July 29, 2018 at 11:47 AM
late! but If anyone is interested!
Are You Human Too? filming locations - ep 13 (25/26)
- Osaek Chanyeon: Human Shin confronts Young-hoon and grandfather
- Vegebox: Human Shin comes face to face with Roboshin (http://bit.ly/kdl-vegebox)
Are You Human Too? filming locations - ep 14 (27/28)
- NC Cube Canal Walk: out on a date (http://bit.ly/kdl-nccubecanalwalk)
- Conrad Hotel Seoul: being secretly warded (http://bit.ly/kdl-conradhotelseoul)
More Are You Human Too? locations on koreandramaland.com :) (https://koreandramaland.com/jobs/?search_keywords=Are+You+Human?&submit= )
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40 Sam
July 30, 2018 at 11:41 AM
I don't know if this crossed someone's mind or whether I'm the only crazy one here- did anyone else read NC3 in the recap as Nam Chin 3 instead of Nam Shin 3? Sorry @LollyPip but I think I've watched too many kdrama rom coms recently and frankly, imagining SKJ as Nam Chin while reading was so much more awesome than Nam Shin 3 😂😂
Ok, off to sleep. Don't wanna act crazy in the opposite spectrum of "real" (not at all, never) Nam Shin.
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41 Sam
July 30, 2018 at 12:26 PM
Ok, I gotta do this!
I love this guy- RoboShin is love! It's always awesome seeing the layers peel off as he's evolving. And that smile! 😍 he played the piano and my heart danced along (oh no, that's not me) plus, it's become one of my favourite osts! Why can't he be real already?! It should be illegal for a real Nam Shin 3 to NOT exist!
Nam Shin is plain ol' weird wicked! But I saw him back off with a flicker of fear (?) when NS3 moved towards him (the scene at the home where So Bong intervenes). I am so looking forward to the day when RoboShin actually breaks his rule of not hurting humans by taking a punch at the rude jerk! Frankly speaking, I don't think I'd have made it through the week without the duber cute date (yes, even with the jerk hijacking the wowsome). I have a feeling that Ro Ra is being downplayed in the past few episodes but someone, anyone must bring Nam Shin to the world of normal soon or I'll break my lappy for sure! It's really not helping that Ye Na has gone back to the second lead who is practically played/used by the arrogant chaebol - I thought she was smarter than that (on a side note- I love her hair!) Moreover, is it just me or has the show been turned on its head recently? Earlier, everyone was lying to each other without knowing what the others are lying for or about; now everyone knows everyone's secrets (besides Jung Woo's death) and nothing is happening anyways! Well, we still have a few episodes to clear out the company drama and find out whether Nam Shin's craziness/evilness is redeemable or not 😁 until then... 😇
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42 transient
July 30, 2018 at 11:41 PM
The writer did well in this drama. Last episode I was 100% sure that I hate Shin, but with just his prologue at the opening of this episode, I root for him. At the end of the episode, the writer once again made me think that Shin is the main villain of the drama. Good job, writer, for putting me in a emotional roller coaster.
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43 Dorotka
August 1, 2018 at 4:13 AM
"She tells him to break Nam Shin-III even more if it makes him feel better, explaining that she only made Nam Shin-III because she missed him."
Oh Rora, this is again bad parenting.
I love my toddler girls, but braking things and hurting somebody in anger is a big NO, even if I have full understanding for their emotions.
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44 Kitun
August 1, 2018 at 6:36 AM
Hah! Reading your comment made me wonder again what if Shin's father is afterall alive??? 😱 Though I've seen what realy happened to his dad in the latest episod ☺... what if his dad actually alive BUT he's in a coma??? Having Nam shin III made is the reason the grandpa do what he did????
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45 jclaustridium
April 24, 2019 at 6:10 PM
What’s the title of the song played by Seo kang joon on the piano? Thanks 🙂
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46 kdramaislife
November 8, 2020 at 9:58 PM
I did not expect that twist at the end! Whoa! This show is really keeping me on my toes because we still don’t know what’s going to happen next.
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