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Dear Hyeri: Episodes 9-10 (Drama Hangout)

Welcome to the Drama Hangout for ENA’s Dear Hyeri where offbeat heroine Shin Hye-sun lives two very different lives.

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So episode 9…beanies where are you all we need to talk😮.

Ten years living in a mountain with no interaction with others and they don’t call in social workers to carry out an assessment of her needs like they did in Castaway Diva? Wouldn’t they follow up with the sister to see if she is able to support her. The mountain is so big that no one has seen her in all that time, she somehow found a tent/cabin and her clothes are not rotten, hair matted/dishevelled, teeth, skin all ok and she is not malnourished... no one finds this odd? The marks are in the wrong place and too new for her to be claiming to be the sister which Hyeri’s boyfriend will pick up on. Also if she is claiming to be the original sister can they can do DNA, check medical records. She won’t recognise either boyfriend and she should talk in a strange way having started to speak for the first time in 10 years. Either way she won’t be talking like the Hyeri we saw working in the parking lot.

In other news what is with the multiplication of annoying female colleagues in the one drama literally all playing the same character but spread between the two different stations why?

9 p.m. anchor plays an idiot anytime he is not on camera what is the point of that character?

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I think the annoying female colleague is fun and also ... canyou be really irritating and charming at the same time? I think she is.
I hope there's a spare man for her when our sisters have found their man/men (And I am still rooting for Kang Hoon).

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I don’t find her charming she invades his space ALL the time, case in point; the meeting with their manager she walked in uninvited having overheard the conversation (poor soundproofing) and no one had an issue with it.

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She is obviously super annoying and in real life, I would not like her ... then again, she is so over the top, and rarely unfriendly, just crazily (increasingly so) offering herself up as a solution to any hole in his life there might be or any little slot of loneliness where she might fit in.
It may be helped by me liking the character of that actress in "My Demon" so much. She was a jealous and obtrusive 2FL there, too, but stern in a cool way ... I guess that's what they call duende in Flamenco.
So the character here gets a longer leash from me, maybe.

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" annoying female colleagues in the one drama literally all playing the same character but spread between the two different stations why?"
😮 Maybe it's the same person with two different bodies! Two bodies with a personality split between them!

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I immediately thought that that’s Enu-ho, who went camping as Hyeri. Why would the police assume it’s Hye-ri? The wounds are too fresh to belong to the younger sister. Plus she didn’t look as a homeless person, and if you’re an American you know how homeless people living in tents look like (do better, America.) and how long it’s been? 10 years?? It’s Eun-ho, 💯 but there’s still something that’s not mashing here.

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My guess is that she told them that she was Hyeri, so they called her sister.

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She is Eun Ho and I was so disappointed with that! For a brief moment I really thought they had found the real Hyeri but when she was shown it was clear she was Eun Ho.
So the polices simply believed she was Hyeri because she told them she was Hyeri. They didn't check anything (not even a photo).

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It's been ten years, so considering they wouldn't expect anyone to claim being Hye-ri for no reason, they will be more willing to go "Yup, found her!"
At least unless her sister came and said it wasn't her.

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Yes, the point of the super annoying (twin?) brother returned home is ... If his brother was extra stiff and correct, I would imagine he had taken it upon him to be the vent of all unwelcome feelings in his family, but his brother seems pretty normal.
But he is really skillfully annoying, like, he is childish and messy, but does not have the chaotic charm of e.g. parking lot Hye-ri or even the very pretty chatty and obtrusive coworker, because he is also mean, in an infantile way.

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Plus they already issued a death cert for Hye ri so.. this drama so annoying me now..

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To me the person they found in the woods is Eun Ho as Hye Ri. The cuts are still fresh, the hair is cut in the same way, and I feel like it's the same jeans she had when she got hit by the mini-truck.
The first minutes were so beautiful yet so hard to watch. The scenes in the forest were breathtaking.

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It was clearly Eun-Ho-Hye-ri.

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Agreed beautiful scenes although I was on edge the whole time expecting a killer or sinking sand!

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I was not.
I think we have seen her already, but even if not, I expect her to be alive.

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Wow, great theory but where will she be living? If she was in a care home or small village/town with no ability to explain her condition how come no one did a search of missing women. How can she survive with no ID?

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He went to mountain liker her sister to find happiness and she might have stuck there with severe mental situation.

Personally I want to her HYERI little bit more with second lead and enjoy the life.l hopefully she don't go back to person who left her four year ago. I feel, people who hurt you should be forgiven but it doesn't mean you should go beck to them. they will hurt you again since they know you well.

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I expressed previously in episode 7-8 hangout how much I loved that forest scenes. I think the PD should have cut down on the fireflies but overall that “deathly aura” surrounding our heroine was so haunting and beautiful.

I’m glad they revisited this scene and as much as I hope hyeri is alive, it would be a poignant moment if Eun-Ho comes back once again as herself (EH) to find closure. She got lost as a person and her sister got lost physically and I hope both of them find themselves (or each other) and the way out of that beautiful mystical (metaphorical?) forest.

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Yes, Dante can find a forest and get lost anywhere on earth.
"Midway upon the journey of our life
I found myself within a forest dark,
For the straightforward pathway had been lost.

Ah me! how hard a thing it is to say
What was this forest savage, rough, and stern,
Which in the very thought renews the fear.

So bitter is it, death is little more;
But of the good to treat, which there I found,
Speak will I of the other things I saw there."

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Oh wow, this is an amazing allusion. The protagonist is experiencing hell on earth. Also she's surrounded by people who are also damned to suffer by the trauma of their pasts. Also the translation that I read (under the influence of another friend) made the forest seem beautiful--Hyeri in the opening of this episode gets lost because of the beauty of the woods and the fireflies. Great.

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I love when we all watch the kdrama and a beanie is inspired to quote an insightful literature. I remember how we all dived into the ancient chinese poems in Captivating the King, and I hope this tradition continues.

This forest scenes is ALSO a strange one. We associate getting lost in the forest with a fear and calamity (hostile environment and predatory animals and humans with bad intentions) but here the forest that swallowed Hyeri physically and Eun-ho mentally was so enticing, so magical and so beautiful like it was their desire to, perhaps, get lost? Perhaps, when faced with struggles we search escape in fantasy, like Hyeri was searching a respite from friends she couldn’t connect with and Eun-Ho was searching for solution to her sisters disappearance providing her with never ending comfort of a false hope? But along the way the sisters went too deep, too far, chasing the light of non-existent promises, to never come back. Will they find their way out? Will they close their eyes to this beautiful nature light show, take the hands of their loved ones (Jo-yeong and Hyun-oh) and allowed to be led to scorching sun of reality and easily navigable barren land? As Dante says, the forest is not just fear and death but something more worth speaking about and exploring.

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The forest sequence was beautiful and almost oneiric.

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Super oneiric! More than almost.
(I can say that, now that I have looked up the word).
Though I imagined the fireflies to actually be there, Hye-ri seemed like one to get lost in her interest of small things. It's the slow, intense but also actually existing version of the much-laughed-of "Look! A squirrel!"
(Maybe not actual to the degree of a teenager going into the woods alone at night and disappearing, but she could fall behind, or definitely could fail to hear somebody talking to her IRL).
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I think Hye-ri came out of the woods and has lived with a job like the parking lot one, or even simpler; being of help and making a small living out of that. I don't know how she has lived without being found, I don't know how well that works in South Korea. She may have lived in the forest for some months during summer or early fall, and when she came out, the search was less intense. And maybe she had amnesia, which happens ALL THE TIME, as we all know, or even more likely she just thought her sister would be happy to be rid of her.

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I think the real Hyeri is my favorite character in this show. I totally empathized with her and understand why she didn't want to go on that trip. Eun Ho's intentions were good but terribly wrong. It was very sad to see Hyeri writing on the window that she wanted to be at home.
She is a textbook introvert. And her wishes and goals were unambitious, she just wanted to live a simple life and be happy working in a parking lot.

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I was all: "Give it to him, Kang Hoon! Don't hold back!"
I don't know why I am making a reverse internet audience (Norm: Demand perfection from FL, forgive ML anything. Me: Gets angry everytime ML turns up on screen, forgives FL for being impertinent, clingy, pretend-dumb, - everything!). I don't know why, but I really do not want Hye-ri or Eun-ho to end up with him. Or, I know why, I guess. Brushing her off ice-coldly like he did really gets my blood boiling - I have talked about before how if you pretend to never have liked someone, you are gaslighting their sense of love - for other people, too. They won't be able to trust their feelings. It's so bad! And rejoicing because she needs help ... Forcing her into relationshipof depency .... Urgh!!!

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"if you pretend to never have liked someone, you are gaslighting their sense of love - for other people, too. They won't be able to trust their feelings. It's so bad!"
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💯👏👏

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Another great episode. The hurt and raw emotions of our male leads was hard to watch. I don't think the real Hyeri has been found yet. I hope our three main characters can receive the counseling they desperately need. I loved that the manager misses having Eun Ho's energy around the office. (I still don't understand why we're seeing so much of that meddlesome 9pm anchor.)

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Episode 9:

-I did not expect Kang Hoon asking all the logical and obvious questions in this episode. Like, I was smacking my forehead saying, “That’s right, my man, ask these questions! Why is Hyun-oh not wondering about her well-being? What the hell is going on here?”

-When Hyun-oh sat down at the psychiatrist chair, I was like, finally! Finally, this man is getting some therapy.

-Hyun-oh’s sobbing at his bed was heartbreaking. I suspect his monumental case of noble idiotism has turned around and bit him. He was probably breaking up with her NOT to hurt her by sharing his life with him (though that’s quite an iffy motive) but by breaking up with her he inflicted an insurmountable pain and suffering on her. Twisted case of karma.

-Glad to see a capable psychiatrist in kdrama. I liked how she told Hyun-oh that Eun-ho case if off limits due to privacy issues but she invited him to discuss his feelings about what happened to him. She was very calm and non-judgmental.

-Disappointed about (luckily, non-fatal) truck of doom. Couldn’t she just stumble into the announcer and scraped her arm in a more realistic way??

-A bit disappointed about the absence of the main heroine for the entire episode. But. Looking back at it, I appreciate the build-up of suspense and mystery that un-reveled in the end.

-Still can’t figure out what’s that role of that Amazon Kids tablet touting 9 o’clock character who has a weird obsession about “dead sister” Hyeri.

-Still not sure what that grandma’s runaway lover adds to overall story. What’s his deal.

As always beautifully shot episode with dialogue that tugs at your heartstrings and characters that you can identify with. Hooked.

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I wondered if that runaway lover who had some crazy experiences may have run into the real Hyeri?

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I was also wondering why the ex was absent for so long. If he was worried about being accused of the murder he could have checked in randomly a year or two later to ask if the police investigation was done and if he was still at risk of being a considered a suspect. I didn’t think she was the same age as the other women and she presents as capable and calm so I wasn’t sure why the pressure was put on a child to be a carer when she had no intentions of leaving the group.

The amazon kids tablet touting 9 p.m. anchor is another
example of K-dramaland presenting a special needs condition. The spectacularly bad social and communication skills when unscripted and yet 100% on point when given a script and clear expectations seems to imply no one has registered that he needs social stories to know how to operate at work. The emphasis on his need for the exceptionally flat carpark, the ‘game playing’ as a strategy to fit in and make friends, the slightly off appearance and speech pattern and the inappropriate object that no one comments on are just scattered into the background information on the character with no explanation. I thought he was a schemer who put on act to climb the ladder but now I think he is like Eunho’s DID a range of symptoms thrown in that have elements of a real condition but are missing the essential elements that would be expected in real life.

The psychiatrist dropping in confidentiality was a first in K-dramaland. I was also so glad to see him in that seat.

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I agree. She isn't a granny and she can leave at anytime, unlike Hyun-oh who is bound by his debt.

I wonder if Jae-yong has known about Eun-ho's condition for a while and if he introduced her to the psychiatrist. He seems ok with her being Hye-ri and not Eun-ho at the parking job,

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I think Eun-ho has started with the therapist on her own, while she was better - when she was first in the wilderness (metaphorically) from missing her sister and being broken up with. Her first attempt of healing by living as her sister seemed completely conscious, arranging matters and getting permission to "work" for free at the parking lot.

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Hyun-oh isn't actually bound by his debt. The reason Grandma Loan Shark did that was to keep him with her. He's an adult and she feels sorry that he isn't married with his own household. The younger siblings he brought there are there because of bonds of love.

At least, this is what I think.

I see that he can't tell that people might care about him for himself. The trauma of having his mom just leave him was huge. It was kind of suspicious when Granny made that bargain with him in the first place. It was a contract to be her child and help her have a family. He takes it extremely seriously. But the grandma actually loves him.

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The funny thing is Eun-ho would actually fit in the Grandma Loan Shark et al family very well, but Hyunoh doesn't think any woman would accept his living arrangements. I think Eun"ho would.

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Whoa! What a keen and careful observation! -> “ The spectacularly bad social and communication skills when unscripted and yet 100% on point when given a script and clear expectations seems to imply no one has registered that he needs social stories to know how to operate at work. The emphasis on his need for the exceptionally flat carpark, the ‘game playing’ as a strategy to fit in and make friends, the slightly off appearance and speech pattern and the inappropriate object that no one comments on are just scattered into the background information on the character with no explanation.”

Yes, I wondered myself if this special needs character is somehow connected to Hyeri because they are, perhaps, both on a spectrum. But glimpses of Hyeri and Eunho as children provide little suggestion that they were autistic or developmentally delayed, however the Hyeri other personality did come across as developmentally delayed. Interesting! I still have zero theories about him!

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Yes I forgot that all those parking in the car park have to interact with an attendant at some point so he may have spoken to Eunho but how did he know Hyeri was Eunho’s sister? Hyeri told everyone she was an only child. I wondered if Eunho changed her speech pattern because of him because she didn’t speak like that initially.

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He knew hyeri was eunho sister because someone told him in the first episodes but I don’t remember who. Since then he’s been wondering about because he overheard at that drunken dinner that eunho’s sister is dead, so he keeps asking that question. Hmm, but that thought, that he might have interacted with hyeri at the parking lot is quite intriguing. What these two people might have talked about or knew?

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What kind of mental illness would it imply? Or, some of it would be like some kind of neurodiversity, but like you said, all in a K-drama version where there are signs of it mixed with sheer plot nonsense.

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Yes neurodiversity, memory loss, face blindness and Alzheimer’s are the conditions wheeled out ALL the time.

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TBF We are apparently like 5% diagnosable with the most common kinds of neurodiversity. That's enough to be in a lot of dramas.

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And about a fifth of people are disposed to get Alzheimer, though many die before it strikes.
Still - it seems to often occur very plot-convenient.

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@bomibeans "Still can’t figure out what’s that role of that Amazon Kids tablet touting 9 o’clock character who has a weird obsession about “dead sister” Hyeri." This kind of got in my head and I started wondering about it!
In episode 3, 40 minutes in Kim Sin Jung (the announcer department leader Eun-ho and Hyun-oh call “sunbae”) and Jeon Jae Yong (weirdo disloyal announcer guy) talk on the escalator about Jae Yong seeing Hyeri at her job in the parking lot. Sunbae says, “She’s not a twin. Sisters look alike you know.”

Fifty-two minutes into episode 3 Jae-yong encounters Eun-ho by the elevators. He just says her name right next to her ear, no hello or honorific, not even “ssi”. (Remarkable because he called Kim Sin Jung “hyungnim”!) It also struck me that when she says he startled her, he says it right back--he has a little echolalia?
He tells her, “I saw a woman who looks exactly like you. She is at the Media N Seoul parking lot. I hear that woman is your (younger) sister.” (See, I finally learned the word “dongseng”! Though not how to transliterate it, sorry. ) Eun-ho says “so” (and he echoes that too!) he replies, “Your sister is dead,“ and "If I remember correctly you said so at a staff dinner once. Not to me directly, but still.” Then he tells her he got goosebumps because he thought he saw a ghost. She says back, “My sister is not dead,” and “Who are you to kill someone with your words, don’t cross the line.”
Then we have the flashback to her learning that Hyeri is missing, finding her sister’s box with the journal, and deciding to try acting out Hyeri’s dream at the parking office. I think this scene is the first time Eun-ho gets a clue that her missing time is connected to that.

At the very beginning of episode 4, we get a flashback to the staff dinner where Sun-ho is very quietly confiding in her boyfriend Hyun-oh, who seems to have passed out drunk, that she FEARS Hyeri might be dead. This is what Jae Yong overheard.

Jae Yong might well be on the autism spectrum, but he's also a sexist schmuck. Which is real, in my experience. Autistic people have agency and individuality, just like anyone. The character can be disabled, and also brilliant at his job, but also an amoral jerk who is kind of mean.

Also. Eun-ho and Hyun-oh did give each other a lot of hints about their trauma, including that first scene of their relationship with the lost necklace. Yet they also both held back a lot. Telling your boyfriend how much you are hurting is great. Waiting until he's passed out to do it? Maybe not the most effective thing.

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Thanks for sharing these reminders and thoughts.

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One thing I considered last week that still would make sense this week: Hyeri is the surviving sister who has been playing Eun-ho all this time.

Or not. It's the scars, you know? The scars. Not the new ones: the ones that Ju-yeon noticed in the photograph online.

How come Ju-yeon is so quick on the uptake and Hyun-oh is so slow? Why does he think this girl from his chosen family wants to marry him? It's like he doesn't realize a woman who knows him well might love him in a romantic way. They're both really traumatized characters, but somehow Ju-yeon has emotional intelligence that Hyun-oh lacks. Or are they both cute airheads?

I thought that playing that love song in the background while Hyun-oh cried in his room and was comforted by Granny Loan Shark was a big mistake. That was a well-realized and well-photographed scene. It did not need cheesy music with lyrics to tell you that the character was feeling regret.

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K-dramaland does it all the time, the terrible parent with regrets, the second lead building their own fairytale romance all get a soundtrack and it takes me out every time. This time reading the lyrics I kept thinking is this a K drama where the female dies?
I have a query re the new scars healing so nicely how come they are not infected?

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The scars aren't flat. They look like they were cauterized. Of course it's just makeup. Maybe they are supposed to look raised.

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About OSTs, the songs rarely annoy me, but I agree the lyrics give several clues.
In this episode a new song was introduced in the scene where Ju Yeon is watching Eun Ho on the screen. So I think that song is about him.

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Btw, the new song name is Coming to you, by Paul Blanco.
And the image for the single is (false) Hyeri and Ju Yeon.

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It's not that the song annoys me! It's when to play them. I think we had a similar song (or maybe the same one?) in the background in another scene and it was fine or maybe even added something. Because at this point I am used to k-dramas using songs this way. I just wish they had let this one be. It might have even been good not to hear the sobbing. Although perhaps they tried that and I'm really wrong! 🤪

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TIL fireflies in Korea are green. That is cool.

Well, it seems like Hye-ri has really taken over. Putting her in the care of Hyun-oh seems like a mistake because he seems to be the person she wants to avoid the most. I guess after living as Hye-ri for 4 years, she has enough to realize that she would rather be an unpaid parking attendant than a black sheep in a new company, especially if everyone thinks that you were dumped by a guy who pretended like he wasn't going to marry.

It's really interesting how PPS has a sabbatical program. Jae-Yong graduated from the sabbatical program. Eun-ho seems to be entering the sabbatical program. So, there are success stories for this.

Maybe Korea is different, but I have never met women as persistent as the women in this drama. If the men had reciprocated any interest, but to constantly chase after someone who says I'm not into you, SMH.

Cho-rong is a bit of an exception. Hyun-oh says that he was mildly interested, rejected her and then acted nice. Bro, you are 40. If you want to reject a woman, you say you are not interested at all and then you act cold. But, it seems consistent with his nice guy/selfish personality. I hope the writer isn't actually advocating for this.

Finally, I still think Cho-rong is the real Hye-ri.

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Whaaaaat? Cho-rong is the real Hye-ri? I didn't notice you said that right away because I got distracted about the fireflies! All the fireflies I've ever seen have been that color of yellowish green. I think because I also live in a temperate zone?
I have of course seen people of all genders be super persistent over the course of my life. To me the persistence of the women calling male announcers "oppa" was more an indication that they think the men are playing emotional games. They don't trust their yeses or noes because they are not trustworthy. Hyun-oh has to tell his dongseng how to make a woman believe that he doesn't want to be called "oppa." He has to fake annoyance! This is why the girls don't believe the boys.

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At least in Texas, they are more yellow or white.

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Was Hye-ri the champion swimmer? I thought it was Eun-ho. But, the internet article said Hye-ri. Does anyone remember?

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Hye-ri was the one sitting at the pool, at least.
I didn't get the thing with the champion swimmer at all. But they wouldn't put that in there if they're not going to use it at some point, would they? Like, she will be found because she swims amazingly well, or she was somewhere they didn't look back then because they didn't think she could swim that far?

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the way this drama wants to make this ML romantic lol I'm so done

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I disagree that we're supposed to think he's romantic. They've done a great job showing how messed up he is: he's been hurtful, arrogant, passive aggressive, dismissive, self centered, etc. I won't be surprised if they end up separating from each other, and I'll find that an okay ending. But. I can also except that his flaws stem from a very troubled childhood. If Eun Ho decides to forgive him. I'll support that decision too. Episode 10 convinced me it could go either way.

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I cannot support if she forgives him. I am not forgiving him, ever.
I can support if he wizens up and becomes a better partner for someone new. I suppose, since she has loved him for so long, that they will make a couple of them in the end ... but I still hope they won't.
I get so, so angry when I see him. I have right now only seen 9 minutes of ep. 10, and I feel angry and a deep set Schadenfreude at any pain he may experience at this point. Even if the pain depends on him having a heart.
Realistically, a guy who had been that mean would not suddenly be sad that he had hurt her.
He would still use her pain to massage his ego, like he has done all the time, and he would feel he was a really good guy for taking care of her now.

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I love this argument. It makes me very happy that the audience can't agree, this late in the show, who should be the ML. Here's my thinking (I admit I've just watched episode 10, but we have another week of this!) A person with DID has had a lot of trauma and is going to be a lot to handle. The younger guy (well, guys, if you count Moon Ji On, but I don't think the writers do!) understand Eun-ho better, and also have some trauma, but they are significantly less messed up. Let's say that the story is going to place Eun-ho with the guy who is the most messed up because that's what has to match here! Not age, beauty or achievement, not even history together--the same terrible level of mental health from trauma.

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her being alone is my dream. she needs to find her own happiness without being related to anyone else. a man or her lost sister. but unfortunately this drama doesnt give me this message at all. its more like this one mont apart healed her, she finished the hyeri chapter and now its ready to live his dependent love with this guy that she cant move on. she doesnt have a single friend bcs the only other female person she cna confide in she doesnt remember (poor ticket booth girl who just lost a colleague she cared a lot).

I think you are giving too much credit to this drama to be honest, but I'm happy that someone can still see nunace in this writing because I don't. this guy never listen to her, its the type to just do whatever he feels like it bcs she's 100% emotionally attached to him and he knows it.

good luck to those still watching, I'm out.

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On the other hand, the horrible way that he treats her is very convincingly shown with many details. It's just the conclusion they draw that is ... "Okay, Tina, stay with Ike. It's so romantic."🤬🤢
I have expressed my feelings in a gif on my fan wall.

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But maybe it is better than that. Maybe they are just showing that his behavior doesn't come out of the blue, or ineherent evilness.
Though I think it must be in the department of potential psychopathy or something like it; They say that you can have the psychopathic genes but be a nice person if you are lucky to grow up with parents that are 1) kind AND 2) smart.
So they know how to guide you and are not dependant on your empathy, for example.

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Oh, and I don't think the old ladies have been very smart in their way of bringing him up. And especially the leading old gangsta lady has done her best to never let him feel any actual kindness she felt towards him.
So he is not an example of the kind of nice person I mentioned above.

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I have seen 9 minutes of ep. 10 and I didn't think I would end up hating him even more than I already did, but lo and behold!

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Episode 10: I watched it because I'm having a bad day. I must say that I am disappointed that we are continuing to insist that a person who has DID has only two (2) personalities, maximum. Here's a person whose parents died in an accident, who was adopted by a grandmother she was predisposed not to trust (we still don't know why) and whose sister disappeared. The grandmother then died, which must have cost her some guilt. Didn't she get some personalities from these other losses?

We got some deep insight and healing from the absolute emotional idiot Hyun-oh. Somehow, he figures out that leaving a sad person who is orphaned is kind of mean and might hurt their feelings. He also realizes that, whoa, maybe he should actually stay with the person he wants to be with instead of playing all these stupid games. Great, he has insight. The only insight she seems to have collected is that her illness is out of her control! Has she reintegrated the Hyeri personality? Who knows? How and when did this all start? Who knows?

Also, yeah, OK, good for Hyun-oh that he figured out that the one girlfriend he's ever had is the person for him. But Eun-ho learned that she could have two or three boyfriends! Because the thing that makes her happy is loving the other person! So why is she stuck with this dude? I theorized that the reason is, he's the one of her potential boyfriends who is as traumatized as she is. Ugh. Bleh.

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Episode 10 is so frustrating.
I think I have never had such a big SMLS as now.
What's even worse is the writernim is playing with our feelings A LOT.
I wonder what she will think if she reads the comments here or anywhere else.

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I really can't rationalize any redemption for the ML. It looks like every single thing he did for the FL was to feel good for himself. Somehow I fail to see love. He does not deserve her. I felt uneasy how he wished she was sick and then the show handed him her helpless and lost.
Deeply disappointed :(.

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Oh, I don't think it's bad that everything he did for her was to feel good for himself. How is that bad? Lovers are supposed to feel better when the other one is happy. He's a fine person. It's not that he doesn't deserve her. She doesn't deserve the problems that come with him! He's all worried about his obligation to his grannies but the built in family is an asset, not a liability. Hyun-oh is a problematic boyfriend because of his inability to discern other people's emotional states over the sound of his own distress. Because of his total lack of any sense of others caring about him. Because he has trauma that's as bad as hers. She could do better with either of the two younger guys who like her because they are more in touch with their own feelings. He deserves redemption--she just deserves a better guy than the writers want to give her.

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Very well said.
I still do question Hyun-Oh's love. In my opinion, he broke up with her then lingered around her and passively hindering the process of Eun-Ho's getting over. I guess one could say well, he loves her that's why. It is really hard for me to buy that as love. It reminded me of that song called "You keep me hanging on" by Kim Wilde.
I also should give the writer kudos for making me worked up with this story.

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Oh, I agree with you that the writer (or team of writers) is amazing on this! So many angry comments about this scene!

As the audience, we know he does love her and that his actions come from a place of trauma. I don't think he's a bad person. I just don't think he's the right person for her.

Do you ever find this in real life? Sometimes people you know are really good in their other relationships treat their romantic partners in ways that are really bad for them. These are two people who are lovable and need love, but it would be a lot better for both of them if they could find it with someone else.

Even from the start of the relationship! They couldn't communicate with each other that they both wanted to date, and spent months apart because he was upset that she didn't know what he wanted. You might think "what a controlling jerk," but honestly, it didn't look like that. It looked like an emotional traffic accident. They need a mature breakup where they don't have to cut contact (because they both lost parents suddenly!) but they each find love with someone else.

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I think the writer has done a good job of giving is glimpses of their 8 year relationship. They seemed to have been a couple who were equally needy and who liked to test boundaries. They also seemed very happy. They broke up because she wanted marriage and he didn't. What should he have done? He wanted her to move on if she wanted marriage. The breakup was hard on him too, as we've seen.

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After having seen epsiode 10 with those glimpses of early in their relationship, I'll say she was just normal awkwards teen-ish, while he was going gaslighting psychopat already there.
With the way he treated her, her constant begging for reassurance becomes much less strange.
It's brilliantly made so far as that her first breakdown where he helped her get through the News already reminded me of a famous masterpiece of a film, Cassavete's "A Woman Under Influence", where the cheerful chaos in a home has a menacing drone underneath it that becomes clearer throughout the story, without ever being put clearly in the center and labeled, as far as I recall.

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I never hoped that FL would end up with SML, SML is too broken for that and I always felt his relationship with Hye-ri was inappropriate because Hye-ri seemed too much like a child. I was also bothered by his extreme dependence on Hye-ri, it didn't seem healthy. And his declaration that he doesn't care whether FL is Eun-ho or Hye-ri and that he would follow her into the forest emphasises this once again. He doesn't know Eun-ho and Eun-ho is not Hye-ri, yet he desperately seeks her closeness. So I was happy to see their relationship come to an end. The poor boy desperately needs therapy and I hope that in the end he will be happy.

That doesn't mean that the relationship with ML is healthier, at least not at the moment, but maybe it will change later. That's why it wasn't understandable why they got back together. ML may not be the monster that some viewers on Reddit make him out to be, but he has many flaws, some of which have led to FL being where she is now. He also needs to urgently work on himself and change his behaviour pattern.

To be honest, I don't really understand the makers and their intentions. On the one hand, it's shown several times how complicated the relationship between FL and ML is, with all its problems and communication errors, and then a short time later we see a super romantic scene of the two of them getting back together. It's perfectly okay to show what's wrong between a couple, but then the tenor should actually be different later on.

The best thing for FL right now would probably be if she's not in a relationship and is fully focussed on getting better. I think Hye-yeon could be a great friend to support her.

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"The best thing for FL right now would probably be if she's not in a relationship and is fully focussed on getting better." Amen. And also agree for both male leads needing the same. But that's not where we're heading, I think.

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For a show so cinematic and complex, that closing scene of the ML running thru the streets after his emotional "breakthrough" into the arms of FL was a bit cringey. At least it wasn't to catch her leaving at the airport. Ha! I'm heartless.

Also, I don't get his breakthrough. He always loved her. And she always told him how much she loved and needed him (unhealthily so). What clicked with him now? Is it the knowledge that she became so sick without him? Is he just adding to his collection of dependent creatures?

Also, the grannies are still around, sick as ever. They seem to know about her but does she know about them now? How does he think she'll handle them? Or was it the healthy FL he didn't want to foist that on, but it's fine for the sick one? I'm skimming through the show. I might have missed something.

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Oops. I think I worked out part of the answer (jealousy with 2ML followed by reassurances from 3ML of her love) on @CecilieDK fanwall (featuring a brilliant gif). Not the best reason to be sure. But human.

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This is a good point. Maybe this isn't the endgame for the relationships? It's not the end of the show.

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Please let it be the end of that relationship. Maybe after she has visited his home and he has found out she would be like a fish in water with those old ladies.
And then she will go, preferably for some sincere reason that accidentally has some of the same cruelty he has exposed her to all the time.
Outspoken noble idiocy. "You deserve better. I make you uncomfortable. I don't think it will work, you have too much on your plate. I think it will be hard for you to know that I have kissed this other guy. For him, I am fresh and he will not feel I have been unfaithful. But I think, deep down, you will feel that. This is best for you. Buh-bye".

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Oh, yeah, it's possible that he might react badly to her fitting into the family he bought for himself. (Originally, he bought it for himself by letting Grandma Loan Shark beat him, don't forget that! I know you don't want to feel sorry for him, but he's a sad hurt guy.)

The other fellow, for all that he's also a totally effed up example of how trauma is bad for you, shared his mom with her right away. It's gotta feel hard for him already that Hyeri liked the other guy's mom.

There's just no way this is going to work out, is there? This is going to be like the end of My Liberation Notes, where you think OK, yeah, he deserves redemption but NOT LIKE THIS OK?

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I feel sorry for Moon Woo-jin, that poor responsible teenager. It's obvious that he has been hurt into metamorphosing into the arsehole we have met as Eun-ho's ex.
I don't even think it was that slap on the head, undeserved as it was. It was the whole transactional thing - grandma wouldn't even admit that she liked the boy, as anybody would. She has probably been used herself more than enough in her life. Anyway, everything was transactions, and he even had to argue that to starving preschool kids would be a good investment before he could be allowed to give them food.
But that just doesn't make it alright, the way he has used Eun-ho to massage his ego. It took a loan shark and an environment of drunks and what Terry Pratchett in his books call "ladies of negotiable affection" to ruin the boy, but he managed to do that very well all by himself to Eun-ho.

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(Oh, and I am not saying that Ladies of Negotiable Affection are bad people. But "Negotiable Affection" hurts those who are negotiating).

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@ceciliedk Ah, I disagree with your analysis here. The "ladies of negotiable affection" are not the ones who screwed up Hyun-oh (no matter who is playing him!) The parents are to blame. The mother who left him with a necklace and ran away, the father who sent him to pay his debts and exploited him however he could, and the fire that killed his father--they all came before the actually loving family. The problem is the traumas that came before Grandma Loan Shark adopted him. I thought that scene where she beats him and he tells her that he paid her by being beaten... she looks shaken up by that. Because she's also an emotionally damaged person, but not as bad as he is.

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He realized she was not better off without him. He also realized that he missed her so much that he was sad (mostly jealous). But, I think the major breakthrough was that he realized that she picked him up when he was having a breakdown. The necklace picture reminded him that she did that for him. And, that neither he nor she could run away from the truth that they really loved each other.

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Through many years, she picked him up all the time by accepting the status beneath him that he assigned her.
She allowed him to feel smart by putting her down. She was pushed away and drawn back in and made him look desirable. She became ill, and he felt strong by helping her and shield her from other people.

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It's core PUA.

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I just finished episode 10 and boy was that painful. But, I cannot disagree more with the comments. What has been drum rolled for the last two weeks finally paid off in the most kdrama way possible. And, it was obvious what was happening and I am mostly satisfied with Eun-ho's arc. It turns out that Eun-ho tried to run away from the life that was making her miserable, which is a physical parallel with her psychological disorder.

Her job sucks. Apparently, Jae-yong is not supposed to be a fairy godmother type person but an example of why her job sucks. He basically bumbles his way into stardom while she tries so hard and always fails.

Seeing her ex at her work sucks. She is really in love with this guy and he doesn't even give her the courtesy of giving her space and avoiding her.

So, she runs away into a fantasy of her little sister. But, instead of living a happy life as a broken mirror, she realizes in a cabin in the woods that she is a broken mirror and chooses (or is forced to choose) to live her truth: she was happy once. She was happy when she was with Hyun-oh. So, even if it sucks being reminded of the relationship she used to have, she has to own it.

It seems many commenters would rather she run away from her problems into the easy solution that is Joo-yeon. But, that is actually co-dependent. Her happiness would be based on her living a lie that he would enable her to create. This is different from the real but unhappy life with Hyun-oh. Also, writers love for their characters to choose the hard way with extra suffering.

What sucks about this resolution. Hyun-oh hurts her very deeply to the point where I don't know if realistically he can recover. And, even if he could recover, it shows that Eun-ho put their relationship on an unrealistic pedestal, which is not healthy.

Hyun-oh never takes responsibility for his actions or his words. From his 6 month break to constantly running away from her, which I am sure will be explained next week, he is constantly doing stuff to hurt her. He gives her expectations based on his actions and then fails to live up to those expectations. He is not an anti-social psychopath. But, this part of their past is never resolved before they get back together.

(As a side note, I find the comments that praise the secondary female characters but hate on Hyun-oh inconsistent. They are the same. Whether it is philandering with a person in a relationship or going after a guy when you are already in a relationship, it is the same as Hyun-oh because neither of them are taking responsibility for their actions.)

Hyun-oh still doesn't like himself and keeps running away from his own poor self-image. This is still unresolved. But, they still get back together. It seems like a bit of cart before the horse.

Ji-on really loves Eun-ho. It is weird to fall in love with your brother's ex. Where is the bro code? But, at the very least, if some guy hurt the...

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But, at the very least, if some guy hurt the girl I liked, I would knock him out and this is the most deserved beat down in kdrama history. Unfortunately, the writers do not like violence? I guess child abuse is ok for this drama, but men fights are off-limits.

Still, I am happy for Eun-ho and satisfied with her arc. I expect next week to be the resolution week for Hyun-oh.

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The 2FL is not in a relationship. She just sleeps with some guy, occaionally.

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What's mind-boggling to me is that I know a LOT of men like Hyun-oh. They run away, disappear, for a simple need to avoid taking responsibility for their actions or words. I often wonder if this is particularly sensitive issue for men. I've seen so many of them having these acute inner battles when it comes to women, this black-and-white thinking, that either I take responsibility for that woman (like we are children) or not. I've seen some of these men justify such avoidant attitudes and insist on perfection from themselves or from others ("blame everyone else but me"), which all are very unhealthy attitudes. One cannot achieve perfection, and as such, neither expect perfection from others.

I'm looking froward to see how they resolve Hyun-oh's arc.

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The second FL absolutely takes responsibility for her actions. She's not an immoral person. She's a dolt! She said out loud that she was having a FWB relationship with a guy who has another girlfriend. She doesn't realize that he's cheating with her and also that he's exploiting her. She's doing "ethical non-monogamy" but she's in South Korea so that's not really a thing. Or that was my read. I still like her.

I also don't really blame Hyun-oh for being so bad for Eun-ho. For example, I don't think it makes sense for his friend to hit him! (He's not his biological bro, but they are childhood friends who are now part of the same adoptive/foster family.) I don't think he's intentionally doing these mean things to his girlfriend--but he is doing them. "getting him back" is not a resolution for Eun-ho. Figuring out her DID is a resolution.

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No one in their right mind would try to seduce someone while also admitting to sleeping with a co-worker casually, who is also in a relationship with another co-worker. That is a hard no to any self-respecting person. But, she pretends like it's not an issue. How is that taking responsibility? She acts like her behavior is devoid of consequence.

Regarding your second point, I guess I am more protective of the people I care for. The intent doesn't really matter. He was being terrible to her and caused her a lot of pain. I would be enraged if I cared for her.

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Yeh, SFL was cringe in this scene. People don't do that at work. And put the other dude into embarassement.

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The other dude deserved to be embarrassed.

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Neither Hyun-oh (ML) or Hye-yoon (2nd FL) is being presented as a role model. Each has a distorted understanding of how others perceive them and of the rules others have for how to have romantic and sexual relationships. The reason people are mad only at the ML is that his behavior hurts the protagonist, whom he loves. Hye-yoon's behavior makes her a victim of unscrupulous men. It also hurts the other women around her because it damages their reputation by extension, and I'm betting the girlfriend of the FWB coworker would be really mad at her!

Remember the older woman who makes Hye-yoon pay for her own separate hotel room--where she entertains her despondent coworker, Joo-yeon? There was that scene where that female sunbae acknowledges that Hye-yoon didn't throw her under the bus. Which, of course she didn't, because she's actually a kind girl.

In the scene where she tells everyone in the whole office (!!) that she's been sleeping with this guy in an FWB arrangement, she seems to be presenting this as normal. Because she doesn't realize he's been taking advantage of her!

This is why Joo-yeon is protective of her but isn't at all interested in her. Hye-yoon is pretty, she's smart, she's kind, she cares about him, and she's a walking red flag. I do not agree that she's a bad or irresponsible person--but she's not a potential girlfriend.

Whereas Hyeri is suffering from DID but still managed to make him feel like he was important and it was good for him to be alive! She's the one who is actually mentally ill but she's also the person who met him where he was. (Keeping in mind that a good portion of the audience on Viki commented that Hyeri's first impulsive kiss of Joo-yeon was assault.)

I want to argue that the same is true of Hyun-oh. I don't think he's a pick-up artist (that's what PUA stands for, above.) I think he's a deeply confused, traumatized guy. His heart is pure, his intentions are good, OK OK, but--as the kids say, intentions aren't magic. They don't make everything OK.

The reason Ji-on felt free to try to start dating his hyung's ex was that Hyun-oh made it seem like, after four years, they were actually through. The scene where Ji-on confronts him is an appropriate level of frustration. I don't think it's right for him to beat up a guy who basically saved his life, who took care of him when he was a child and Hyun-oh was a teenager. But he and his sister have each been trying to unravel what the heck is going on with their hyung and his ex. Ji-on's crush on Hyun-oh doesn't take away from caring about Hyun-oh. (You could argue that such conflicted feelings would make him more rather than less likely to hit Hyun-oh, but maybe a big strong guy like that holds himself in a lot! )

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Whoops! I wrote too much. Here's the rest if you want:

I don't really feel like anyone is a villain here, but I also do not think Eun-ho's arc is resolved. Getting back together with this guy the way he is--not good.

Honestly, I just want to know what happened to Eun-ho to make her dissociate, more than what we've seen on the screen. I want to know more about her grandmother and her parents. I get that we have all this backstory on Hyun-oh to make him more sympathetic, but I also don't like the focus on him. The script is privileging his good intentions over his bad actions toward Eun-ho. Which, OK, fine, whatever, but the story is basically replicating her sexist work experiences.

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You have a sens for details, and thanks to that, I think you resumed the situation, as I can see it too. It's a point when they realised their wrongs and problems, so there is a way for main couple to solve that and be happy. Let's see what comes next.

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After the slow recent episodes, Ep10 made it about dramatic moments and twists. But it's also a strange sensation that the drama could end at this episode. Now, I wonder what will it be about. I expect, or hope, there will be a clarification about why he could never tell her about the grandmas.

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My least favorite trope in kdramas is that love heals all trauma. And now this show even dares to say that spending a month in a cabin, alone, with no provisions is all the shock therapy you need, then just follow it up by "true love" and you are healed!. What a dangerous message!.

Thus show will redeem itself to me if nobody ends up with anybody. Everyone here needs to be in therapy first and learn to love themselves before entering or continuing a co-dependent relationship. FL needs to love herself first!.

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Late on commenting, but Apple doesn't support my mini iPad any longer and it is as s-l-o-w as molasses or just plain doesn't work. So, on my laptop . . .
After ep 10, my brother said, "Eun-ho has resolved who she is, who she loves, and who she can't be with as Hye-ri and has let him (Ju-yeon) go. So basically the K-drama is over." And I said, "Nooooo, because there are two more episodes and some things are not resolved. I don't think it will be a predictable ending." He said, "We'll see."
So, I do not think Hye-ri will show up, mainly because actress Shin Hae-sun plays both in the Asianwiki list of characters. I also think Eun-ho will end up in the Grandma Loan Shark family, even though Hyun-oh said no woman would accept his family situation. 99.99% might not, but Eun-ho would - she would have been accepting and would have been accepted all along, but the situation of introducing her to his unusual family was something Hyun-oh avoided to the point of breaking up with Eun-ho after 8 years together. That was SO unfortunate and the root of much of their unresolved issues. The fact that Eun-ho has no family means she wouldn't have to deal with the hurdle of Hyun-oh's family situation. Hyun-oh didn't think of that? And so he kept his unusual family from her all those years for nothing . . .
I hope Eun-ho gets to meet Grandma Loan Shark et al - it would have saved everyone so much grief if they had met while Eun-ho dated Hyun-oh.

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It will be interesting to see how they end this one. What I have noticed on Asian Wiki is they don't reveal all the characters until they are shown on screen so the real Hyeri may appear. It's unlikely due to the fact its been so long and the really is no explanation for her disappearance unless she lost her memory and got on random transport to some town miles away and started a new life for herself.

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HYe-ri starting a new life seems out of character for her though because she was such a homebody and her life was so simple. It is rather mysterious, though, what became of her.

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The actress who plays the real Hyeri is Kim Si Eun. I hope real Hyeri is alive, that would be the best thing which could happen in this show, after the dissapointment of episode 10.

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I agree it would be great if she was living some simple life with a found family and something triggers her to remember something so she is able to find her sister again but can now live as an independent adult.

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It's nice that you can watch with your brother. But, even if she is no longer disassociating, she is still depressed. That should be resolved this week, unless he thinks it's not a problem that she is basically unemployed and people hate her at work and she is miserable?

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We sometimes watch a drama together, although I watch 20x more by myself!

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28. October ... Shouldn't ep. 11 of Dear Hye-ri be up now? Does anyone know anything?

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FOund it. Sorry.

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