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[Drama Chat] Remember when…

As everyone in the room knows, dramaland is — and has been — changing at a fast and furious pace. Streaming services not only made dramas more accessible, but put them under a mainstream spotlight they’d never seen before.

We could argue about the good and bad of that, but this chat is for the opposite: the old days of dramas. (And honestly, you don’t have to be a kid that grew up watching them with your mom — the landscape has shifted so fast that the dramascape from even ten years ago feels vastly different.)

For me, one of the biggest shifts in my viewing experience has been in subtitling and the quality of the translations. Sure, we still have issues in this department (hi Netflix), but over a decade ago when I started watching, subtitle translations were done so literally that they were actually hard to understand. “I’m leaving first.” “How is your body?” I can appreciate the literalness of these translations now that I have a better command of the language, but then, it was somewhat strange. And now I really miss it.

What are some OG drama fan “remember when…” moments you now look back on wistfully?

 
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Remember when it was so hard to watch dramas due to accessibility? I sure don’t miss those times!

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To be honest.. i also miss the tsundere leads in romcoms. There may still be some but i feel like they don’t make them like the old days anymore? Granted some of the old ones are legit actual jerks, but oh the angst of 2010s..they were delicious..

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Yeah, I started starting my first full k-drama via DVDs from Netflix, and then about 10 episodes in, the DVDs suddenly became unavailable. Good times.

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I was just thinking about this! Like, remember when the dark side was the only place online for international fans??

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Well, unless you trek down Chinatown and fork out the price of an arm and a leg to get the fancy schmancy box set of the drama— but it was still questionable because the place of purchase was in Chinatown 😂

*Disclaimer:
For those ready to come at me lol-ing at purchasing things in Chinatown, don’t. Full stop. I’m not having a crisis nor am I having a moment of internalized racism being Chinese and getting questionable things from Chinatown. I am embracing it— it’s all a part of my beautiful K-drama journey and I wouldn’t trade it for anything else ❤️

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Remember when all dramas were on Dramafever?

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As an European, I have never known this happiness.

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It lasted 6 years for me....

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At least, I have never known the hole it let in American's hearts after its shutdown!

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I miss Dramafever...

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Even though Dramafever had its issues, especially in how it treated some members of the fan-subbing community, I will forever bear a grudge against Warner Bros. for acquiring it and then ruthlessly eliminating it.

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Me too. I hope HBO Max goes bankrupt.

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I am still kicking myself for not watching Sandglass while It was on Dramafever.

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RIP Dramafever! I remember they were one of the most reliable ways to watch cable shows, I believe it was TVn that almost always had their shows on DF. Such a bad day when it happened.

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(MY DREAM) is that if I was Bill Gates, DramaFever 2 would be up and running now. No original programming just licensing of dramas with a paid subtitling division that would put the UN translation service to shame. Just saying. A guy can dream, right?
DramaFever (2009-2018) RIP.

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Yes, a streaming service for older classic dramas would be great. We can dream, can't we?

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It was a sad day when Dramafever ceased to exist! October 16, 2018😔

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I remember! I was watching 100 Days My Prince and stopped in the middle of the episode to do something. When I tried to resume, everything was gone. I still don't know how the drama ended...

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I still have a Dramafever T-shirt that I won in one of their caption contests. A real relic from the good ol' days.

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I have one too! And I love it! My DF t-shirt reads "Seize the Oppa-tunity" 😉

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Haha that's great!

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Aww! That's a great one! Mine features cartoon versions of the characters from the drama 49 Days

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Still really miss them! That site.

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Viki was well-established before DF came along. We had a close-knit K-drama community with many blogs and streaming sites like Mysoju. Some existed as early as 2002. It was free for all back then, but when DF started buying licenses for many K-dramas, they shut down Mysoju and other streaming sites that didn't have licenses for the dramas they purchased. They even threatened to shut down fan blogs for posting screenshots from those dramas. I know Vault had to shut down and create a new blog for members only. It was all fine until they messed with DB.
https://www.dramabeans.com/2013/03/announcement-level-7-civil-servant-recaps-now-with-less-joo-won/
Before they existed, they had come and asked JB for our support. Most of us went to their site and created a membership to support them, and a few years later, they did this.
Sorry, not sorry.

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Totally remember this, we had to submit hand drawn scenes from L7CS to weecap. Pulled it off, we did! Dramabeans has deep staying power, fighting! 👊

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Watching one episode in 6 different parts, while watching the first one trying to open the next part to let it load, to finally realize it didn't work and you still have to wait...

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Oh my god Yasss! Or when you can’t find one of the parts, oh the frustration…

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Why they weren't listed in the correct order on dailymotion 😭

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I remember that but with some Western shows that I had to download because they hadn't been released in Spain (or were released in private channels).

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LMAO this was a nightmare!!

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OMG, yesssss. Also, checking ahead of time that they had all the parts or hoping the user you found has all the episodes!

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Oh my, THIS. Yes 🥰

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City Hunter, 49 Days, yep~

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Remember when MySoju.com still existed?

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Those were the days!

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My go-to site, honestly!! I watched so many Kdramas on there

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Yes!!

OMG - just reading this thread is seriously like Throwback Thursdays.

Trigger cues:
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I still remember having loads of DVDs and boxsets for epic saga sageuks (cos they run into 70 eps), even for my J-doramas (Long Vacation, Sleeping Forest, World of Ice anyone?) I even have actual translated novel sets (Autumn in my Heart, 2000) gifted by gfs.

I am East Asian myself and have been watching K-drama for 24 years since I was a kid. Living in Asia and being schooled in at least 2 of the 3 main East Asian languages (Chinese & Japanese) really helped in my enjoyment and understanding of K-dramas and its culture (which is close enough to my own).

Kudos to all my American and European Beanies who had to jump through hoops to lay their hands on parts of episodes from various sites! A labour of love indeed.

One thing I really missed as a communal experience is sitting together with the family in front of a telly to watch it on prime time national television (FTA channels) and doing live commentary and bitching. We don't really escalate to throw bean sprouts or kimchi at the screen, but sometimes, close enuff

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If there is one thing I miss in the subtitles of yore, it's leaving „hyung(nim)“, and „noona“ as they were. Nowadays in 90% of cases they write the character's name instead, as an easy localization tactic aimed at non-East Asian audiences, but I myself am a translator and a subtitler, and I don't like this new practice even from the professional standpoint. It totally takes away the nuance and the charm that these word convey, not to mention the comic or emotional ring they often bear. I mean, just looking at the head screenshot here brings tears to my eyes – What would You're Beautiful's subs be without Go Mi Nam's constant „Hyung-nim!s“? *Sigh*

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This!

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I agree. For a new watcher unfamiliar w the language, they might wonder why someone is addressing their halmuni as Ms ABC.. like wth Netflix? 😅

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I agree. They shouldve kept that in the subs because there is no way an Asian would call an elder by their name.

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I also hate this trend, since so much of the nuance gets lost. I don't think it's that hard for non-native speakers to pick up a few "untranslatable" terms from other languages.

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Omo, yes!
And usually they were translator notes for all those type of honorific and other cultural references.
I think at least half of what I know about Korean culture was thanks to the hardworking translators that cared to explain every little thing.
Especially for sageuks.

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True, those translator's notes were my favourite thing, despite the fact they are often counter-productive in instances where you cannot pause and rewind what your'e watching, lol. My first ever K-drama was Sungkyunkwan Scandal, and I remember how funny I found some scenes only after I'd read the meticulous explanations of the Confucian ways in the subs. And then I'd watch it later with my Mum or friends, and they'd also laugh after I explained those nuances to them. Netflix can go to the back of the class and face the wall.

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Yes - I really appreciate good fan subs, some of whom even leave translator notes under the subs to explain the puns or cultural references.

I also find that languages like Chinese (cos the Korean hanja script originated from the Chinese Hanzi script) lend themselves much better to dubbing or subtitling as compared to English.

Case in point: my viewing experience for Secret Garden in 2010 when it first premiered was very different from my Netflix re-watch 10 years later in 2020.

It just wasn't as funny on Netflix with the English subs, whereas my OG viewing experience was in Chinese dubs, and English subs with dual sound option in original Korean. It was hilarious cos the languages are so close they captured most of the humor, wordplay and wit. With English it was "lost in translation".

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‘Hyung’-him’ should just be ‘hyung-him’, full stop!

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Not him, but nim. I hate auto-correct!!

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Also aigoo and aiesch (sp?) expressions

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I'll read other beanies memories and experiences from the sidelines, because I started watching k-dramas in November'21 🥲

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Me too! 😂 My "way back when" only goes to 2018...

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Me three! 🥰 2019. But watched Chinese, Filipino and Mexican shows since birth 😂

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In Spain, when I was a child, series which aired on TV were mainly from USA or latin soap operas (telenovelas). And Japanese animes, lots of them.
The first time a Korean drama was released in a free TV channel in a traditional way (I mean it wasn't a streaming plataform) was at the beginning of 2023, and the chosen drama was Saimdang (two episodes a day at 11pm). It was a failure. People who usually watch that TV channel were angry because they were waiting for a famous Turkish series to be released.
As far as I know, no other Asian drama has been released in Spain since then.

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Ha, the people of Spain have no idea what they are missing 🤭 I find it funny how resistant we can be to something 'different' only to discover how much we enjoy it when we do give it a try.
We had a similar childhood. American influence. And telenovelas!! How incredibly dramatic were they?! 😂 I miss them. I've had very little anime in my life despite my admiration for the artwork.

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@sunnyboo
I have watched many telenovelas. When I was a child my mother and my grandparents used to watch them (mainly from Venezuela, Columbia and Mexico).
Later when I was a pre-teen, I started watching some of them on my own. I admit they were usually bad but hooking. Being a teenager and in my early twenties I watched some from Peru, Chile, Argentina... (Luz Maria or Ugly Betty were some of my favorites).
But then I suddenly stopped. My interest changed, I prefered series from USA as Lost, 24h, Battlestar Galactica, Friends, Fraser or Fringe.

About Japanese animes, I have watched them since I was a baby because my father loved them too. Fortunately, lots of great animes were aired in Spain and you could spend hours sat in front of the TV watching one after another 😅
I have never stopped watching animes, but not so many as in my childhood.

I wish Korean and Chinese dramas had been aired in Spain in my teenage years. I'm sure I would have watched them instead of Latin telenovelas. And the male leads are undoubtly much more attractive too (at least to my eyes 😅).

Now k-dramas are getting more popular here in Spain thanks to Netflix. But people who usually watch free traditional TV are hooked to Turkish series (I have never watched them, and I'm not interested, to be honest).

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Same here -- I'm a covid convert. But I love the screenshot from "You're Beautiful" at the top of this article. I was introduced to that delightful show by some friends from Nepal. I'm glad I missed the anguish of slow downloads and disappearing websites, though.

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Remember fansubs?

It was so difficult to get access to dramas and anime back then. But jumping through hoops was worth it in the end.

The dramas were much better back then despite the lower prodction budgets, the new stuff feels so generic and paint-by-numbers in comparison (this true for Cdramas and Dramas too). Its like a home cooked meal thats been replaced with McDonalds.

I guess thats one of the negative side effects that streaming, social media and globalisation have had to dramaland.

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Keeping track of the various fan translation groups and websites! Finally managing to join a private tracker group so I could download all the dramas and ost's. Learning how to re-time subs when the subs I downloaded didn't match the specific version of the episode I downloaded. Making sure I had a good antivirus and ad blocker on my laptop because of the sketchy websites used to host the raws and subs. Using Drama Wiki to find dramas I'd missed and keep up with what was airing and upcoming. Convincing a teacher friend to watch Mei-chan no Shitsuji and Hana Kimi, and later having a marathon party at her house after she moved away (Queen In-hyun's Man).

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Remember the rain of sagueks from '00s to '10s. Now we can only pray for a proper solid saguek these days.

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And the fact they'd get 30 and 40% ratings. I miss those days as well.

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Yes, and when they hit 50% in the domestic ratings in SK they are conferred the god-tier title of "national dramas".
Some hallowed examples are Jewel in the palace, my name is Kim san-soon, and moon embracing the sun

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Remember when every Kdrama had a character with cancer (mostly leukemia) or other terminal illnesses, which was the reason I detached myself from Kdramas for almost a decade and a half? I don’t miss those days.

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That's a powerful reason. I would have detached or watched very few dramas during those years too (if I had already known Dramaland then).

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Cancer that started with a nosebleed. Ah, yes 😭 and the gallons of tears and swollen eyelids.

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You got it down pat. It always starts with a nosebleed

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Nailed it. almost certainly leukemia. My first ever k-drama had leukemia, birth secret, swopped identities, faux-incest, and of course, everyone dying in the end

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Cancer and amnesia!

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Remember when we have to wait not just days - weeks and even months - to get subs for the show? And even that by often entirely unconventional and legally shady means because there was simply NO OTHER OPTION...

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Remember when amnesia was as rampant as common cold?

Remember when dramas ran for 24 episodes?

Remember when dramas aired on all the weekly timeslots in all the public broadcast channels?

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Oh the dreaded 24 episodes. If the drama is good I wouldnt mind it. But they usually have unnecessary scenes and roundabout storyline to get that 24 eps.

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Checks own username … nods … yes. I do remember.

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I dont miss waiting hours or days for subs to be available. Also needing to go to the dark side to watch my faves.

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Remember the ML/SML hairstyle and fashion. Maybe I do not remember some hairstyle wistfully since the actors are better looking now 😅

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- Remember when Joseon Exorcist (SBS) became the first-ever cancelled K-drama in 2021?
- Remember when 1995's Sandglass became one of the early most successful Kdramas?
- Remember when some Kdramas had a lead roles died at the end of the series?
- Remember when before singer-actor Rain achieved fame in Full House, his first-ever Kdrama was 2003 KBS K-drama Sang-doo! Let's Go to School! where he played the eponymous role Cha Sang-doo?
-Remember when Gong Yoo had acting debut on Kdrama with the fourth season of KBS' School in 2001 after he started as one of Mnet video jockeys?

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Sang-doo is a classics for many reasons!

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As much as I love Dramabeans, I miss the really active drama blog-o-sphere that flourished between approximately 2007 and 2015. As a new drama watcher during that era, I enjoyed the incredible range of knowledge and opinions and I'm sorry so many of them are no longer around.

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I learned so much about K-dramas and Korean culture because of the active and knowledgeable db community even though I began watching a bit later that the dates you mentioned.

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I can't relate to this because I started watching in a committed way starting August 2020. But I agree that drama land feels much different from before in terms of shorter episode count and easy access. Also as fellow beanies mentioned, there came a time when sageuks were flooding in but now it is a rare experience.

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All the downloading and bit torrents, still don’t know what those were, and chasing episodes around sketchy websites! I still have stacks of dvds from those days. Before streaming, having to choose between spending $60 for the dvd set from YesAsia (legit approved version w approved subs and often with nice add-ons) or taking a chance on the Malaysian copies for $20. Watching dramas on YouTube which had a 9-minute limit per video at the beginning. Seeing all the VHS tapes of series at the Korean grocer but not being able to use them because they didn’t have subs 😩
Also, drama episodes that were 45 minutes long and not the length of a movie 🙄

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I watched Queen Seon Deok (62 episodes) on YouTube in 2022. There were videos which lasted 5 minutes 😅
But I was enjoying it so much that it was worth it.

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In my house we even had a kind of competition: "who can find that drama?"

I remember that one of our computers lost all its info, so we lost all the downloaded dramas and we couldn't find Love Story in Harvard again. But I made it my missing to get the show and I did!

Unfortunately, all our dvds were dubbed. Downloads were the only options for subs, but sometimes we only could find them in English (we speak Spanish) so my siblings had to translate. LOL

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Sketchy websites for sure with sketchy pop-ups

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Technology has changed. Logitech had a keyboard that allowed you to access apps like Viki and DramaFever , way before Roku or other devices. Logitech dropped support for it . We were having problems with it. There were files associated with it and I was browsing and selected a setup file for Viki.
Lo and behold, I was able to watch a J drama series and finished it, but then it disappeared. I contacted Viki , asking where the drama went. They said I should not have been able to watch it. The set up file was for a different region. 😂

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Oh yeah, this reminds me that I forgot having to buy DVD players that would play all Regions!

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Still have one of those to watch my old boxsets of old dramas! Love all these comments and reminders of days gone by. I do miss the old days sometimes.

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Despite all the difficulties in actually watching them.

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Me too, my Region 3 dvd players are still hooked up! 🫣

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I miss OCN. It brought us some great gritty crime dramas. You knew what you were getting, and they were a nice contrast to romcoms. I don't mind crime dramas when they aren’t embedded in rom-coms

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I miss OCN too. 🥺

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I miss OCN too 🙁

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OCN shows were great

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i miss it too! remember god's quiz. i loved all the seasons of it. now i want to rewatch it

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Remember all the time traveling doctors? Or is that still a thing?

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The time traveling doctors were cool.

This makes me remember when medical dramas that were about medicine were a thing.

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Oh yeah! I have a soft spot for Golden Time and Surgeon Bong Dal-hee. I guess Thank You counts, too, there sure were a lot of medical emergencies on that island.

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I like Surgeon Bong Dal-hee and Thank You is an all time favorite!

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The time travelling doctor with he brain portrayed by Mr. Hand Towel 🤭

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as a newbie who has only been around for about 18 months, i'm enjoying everyone's nostalgia vicariously :)

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when I started watching dramas, the only way was to download them from torrent sites and it took around 4 to 9 hours to download an episode.

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Remember when we had to wait for subs and a beanie (kimbapnoona) would live sub on voice, while we group watched the raw episode.
And then we would rewatch it with subs. I don’t miss those days but I miss some of the wonderful beanies.

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@missvictrix pertinent to what you said about translations, some were so bad that it felt like I was doing simultaneous English-to-English translations in my head, what a weird feeling it was to have to do that! My copy of Fashion 70s was sometimes unintelligible 🤦🏼‍♀️

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I remember watching a copy of Delightful Girl Choon Hyang with subs that covered the whole screen! The subbers hadn't bothered breaking and timing long sentences, they just put a whole screen of text every few sentences! I had to constantly stop, rewind, replay, either to finish reading or to squint between the text to see what was going on! I still rewatched that drama tens of times! 😂

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Oh I forgot to add, and they were as bad as you said too! Constant English to English translation!

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Oh no, you rewatched it? Gosh, the stuff we do for dramas! 🥰
Now I’m tempted to stick in Fashion 70s just to find some good examples to show you all. I do recall my off-brand set of Winter Sonata referred to Bae Yong Joon as “spoony”, my friends and I still call oppas “spoony” 🥄

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🤣🥄🤣

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OMG that is hilarious!
I think everyone should dig out their most ancient and most atrocious versions of subs -- and post the screenshots on fan wall.

We can run a straw poll and vote for the it's-so-bad-it's-good translation. It will be a hoot!

spoony! oh my days.

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When I first started watching K-dramas, my family lived in a rural area that hadn't upgraded from dial-up to high-speed internet. So when I went home after my freshman year of college, the only way for me to get my K-drama fix was to buy bootleg DVDs from eBay. The subtitles were atrocious, but I still have my bootleg copies of Full House and Coffee Prince. 😂

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Yessssssss, still have them both!

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Remember when LSK was slowly establishing himself in the industry. Pasta was my first ever K-drama in 2010, and Coffee Prince my second. I remain bitter about how it all went down.
I do not mean to rain on the nostalgia parade… but couldn’t not mention my favourite K-drama actor who is no more.

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It's sad for me, too, I always want to mention him during favorites threads but it feels like a downer. I still love seeing him on-screen (Parasite keeps showing up on the movie channels), and I'll watch My Ahjussi until the cows come home.

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LSK will be missed. Its terrible what happened to him. I liked his character in Coffee Prince.

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Yes, his was the only character I liked in the whole drama but his girlfriend was a massive source of irritation he really deserved better.

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Well, there was the ex-girlfriend chef AND the artist girlfriend, both were irritating!

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Yes the gf could've been better

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In tbe very beginning on my K-drama viewing, Pasta and Coffee Prince were somehow accessible and I must have watched them a dizen times each before I discovered such dramas were a bigger thing! Of course, it was years later that I happened upon db, a new and exciting source for all things K-drama. And I am still here!

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I kinda miss the age of exploration and finding different drama types. Through international cable channels, I was once into Italian/French crime dramas, then Scandinavian murder-mysteries because they were different than US TV fare. Then one day I stumbled on a high number channel in Korean with subtitles. I would learn that this was a different kind of drama, dealing with a cultural taboo subject (divorce, even though very accepted in the US). The dialog was very natural and episodes were very realistic as the couple dealt with their personal issues, the reason for their break up, and their resolution. I would learn that Korean dramas were better at conveying emotions than cookie-cutter Western dramas. It led to researching and learning more about Korean history and culture to help grasp the subtle cues in K-dramas.

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I like Scandinavian noir, too. I saw the US remakes of The Killing and The Bridge first, but I think k-drama made me more open to viewing foreign shows.

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https://www.dramabeans.com/2010/06/dramabeans-giveaway-tell-us-your-drama-addiction-stories/

Reading these comments reminded me of this most hilarious, most amazing post on DB!
I guess it's more than fair to share it here for all to enjoy/re-enjoy!

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I was thinking about this too - they are indeed the most hilarious account about kdrama fans devotion. A ‘must read’ for the newer beanies. I think we had two or three rounds of the fan sharings.

Thanks for digging it out, @midnight.

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I only remembered the winner story so I searched for the key words from that story on google 😂 I couldn't believe how quickly I found it!

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This brings back so much memory!

Mysoju - yes, it’s still in my bookmark list. I never delete those ‘precious sites’ though they’ve long gone.

So are the kdrama bloggers’ links - still there. For example, Thundie’s Prattle (RIP), Dahee’s Castle, Ripgal’ Haven and the more recent ones like Couch Kimchi. They have high keepsake value especially the drama reviews and occasionally drama debates!

A lot of the earlier fans downloaded subs to watch dramas. I’ve never managed to learn this though spending a lot in buying pirate DVDs. @bebeswtz - the problem is not Chinatown but ‘copied in China’. Nothing angered me more than getting a DVD with Google-translate-sub from ep 1 to 16!!!!! Totally not watchable.

Live watching in those days was another problem. When you are so into it, it really doesn’t matter that you don’t understand any single word. While there were MBC On-Air and so on with a small vox screen on a main screen, you just had to endure the absolutely not reliable transmission, images cutting off any minute to watch the latest episode.

Incredible devotion indeed!

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Remember when viki was free and was the only legit place to watch kdramas but you had to wait and wait and waaait for subtitles to come? The dark web was also a good option for kdramas as dramas weren’t accessible for international fans on much legit places…I sure miss those days but only because they don’t make kdramas like those anymore…

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Remember all the wrist grabs? I used to wonder how no one ended up with a dislocated shoulder.

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Oh those wristgrabs 😅 glad it is gone

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I miss the daily and weekend dramas that went on forever. Nothing beats the feeling of finding a good long drama with a fine ML and FL ^^ for example, Gangnam Scandal and The Promise. Or when you develop a crush on Lee Jun-Hyuk after watching Dark Hole and the sheer joy of finding long dramas on his filmography such as House of Bluebird where you can ogle him in suits for 50 episodes. But sadly I heard that the past few years some channels have discontinued these longer dramas. Another thing I also miss is seeing traditional Korean foods being cooked in dramas. Especially when you have a multigenerational household, the daily tables piled with dishes is delightful. It seems like most foods featured in dramas these days are fried chicken.

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Oh my cat, yes!
I miss when weekenders were good. 😭 And I'm sad they're making them shorter.

And traditional food used to have more relevance in family dramas and sageuks too.

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RE: "Especially when you have a multigenerational household, the daily tables piled with dishes is delightful. It seems like most foods featured in dramas these days are fried chicken."

This is so true! But I guess it's cos those are the daily and weekend dramas that go on forever (read: soap/makjang /slice of life) I recall a lot of homecooked food on screen when I watched these k-dramas as a kid with my family.

The fried-chicken-&-beer/grilled meat joints/soju shows: are our current 12/16-eps K-dramas, esp the ones featuring younger set of actors/idols.

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remember when you discovered this new, completely addictive thing called kdramas and then watched a drama you were completely obsessed with (Faith). And the you watched it over 4 parts on a sketchy internet connection. And then scoured the internet looking for anyone who might have views on it and found (drumroll) Dramabeans!!!!

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