The Impossible Heir: Episodes 3-4
by missvictrix
Another time jump, and our heroes’ game is finally afoot. But with so many games, it’s easy to get lost, and hard to know who to trust. Just when our two heroes might have hit their first snag, the sky clears and an impossible heir appears on the scene.
EPISODES 3-4
This week I am reminded that the problem with deploying lots of time jumps to tell an elaborate story is that you sacrifice all the rich context a viewer craves in order to get further along in your story. That’s exactly the weakness of The Impossible Heir this week. We endure the umpteenth time jump of the story bringing us to the present day (ish), and while I appreciate the “unfurling of the chess game” effect this creates, it also exacerbates the disconnect with our characters.
So what did our three heroes do for the last five years of this time jump? Well, they mostly set the stage for the future plays they have in mind. But for Episode 3, In-ha and Hye-won exist only in the background as vaguely dating-for-marriage and participating in The Master Plan — and it’s Tae-oh who takes the lead.
After the five-year time jump, Tae-oh is now the right-hand man of all right-hand men to Chairman Kang. It required him showing all his cards to Chairman Kang (viz., his real name and his family’s murder situation, which seems a bit more convoluted than we first realized)(that is, if you can believe anything Tae-oh says at this point), and passing all of the chairman’s loyalty and mind game tests.
Chairman Kang warns Tae-oh: “If you want to work for me you have to hide your true self” — i.e., your weaknesses — and it doesn’t seem like anything will break that resolve in Tae-oh. Yet? Despite the total lack of character development, we know that somewhere deep down he loves Hye-won (right?), and there’s a mess around his parentage (right?). Either one of these might break him down later, but for now, he’s steely-eyed and determined. (I’m glad Lee Jae-wook is here, because he makes me like Tae-oh even though he’s about as expressive and interesting as a Storm Trooper right now.)
While Tae-oh’s become a trusted ally to the chairman, the rest of the Kang family hates him and sees him as a threat — well, except Hee-joo who wants to marry him, and is very likely going to make a rather big mess at some point. For now, though she’s on the sidelines, she’s still the extraordinarily entitled — yet principled — Hee-joo we knew as a high schooler.
As for Hye-won, she and her almost-love line with Tae-oh have all but drifted into the background this week, outside of a few awkward rooftop conversations with Tae-oh. And while I think I’m okay with her disappearing (she’s underused and unnecessary as a character this week), I’m not okay with In-ha disappearing. And yet we only see him in passing in these episodes… until Chairman Kang’s health begins to fail.
What I realized this week is that I actually like the scenes between Chairman Kang and Tae-oh the most right now. The two play off of each other quite well, and it’s fun to see the fake-outs and plays they come up with. Chairman Kang might be a ruthless bastard, but is he all bad? I am enjoying the nuance of his character here, especially as compared to his throne-stealing wife (Kim Ho-jung), who isn’t exactly bringing anything new to the storytelling table. This week she’s all about manipulating circumstances to pave the way for her son KANG SUNG-JOO (Lee Ji-hoon) to steal the throne from the eldest son KANG IN-JOO (Han Sang-jin). The brothers get on like cats and dogs, but it’s Lee Ji-hoon who’s stealing the show here for me, as he’s excellent at toeing the line between being suave and simpering, powerful and petulant.
I will not attempt to deny that the politicking around Kangoh bored me nearly to tears in Episode 3 — so I’ll save you the long version and give you the short: Chairman Kang has his preferred political puppet who will help pave the way for his vision project Royal Road (referencing our drama’s Korean title), while his wife and second son have their own opposing puppet. Things don’t go our chairman’s way… but don’t worry, there are many things you can do to out-play your own conniving family. First, listen to some good music to get your blood pressure under control (great, now I share a favorite composer with Evil Chairman!). Second, pretend to be deathly ill to get everyone’s guard down.
The drama starts to play with some convenient cut-backs at this point, sometimes showing us the tail end of conversations we didn’t hear all of, so in a way, we fall for the chairman’s fake illness plot too. While he’s having a heart attack, his blackmailing wife watches mercilessly as he collapses to the floor, unable to reach his meds. Then she walks out. Then Tae-oh walks in, and there’s the smallest moment of hesitation before he calls an ambulance. But this is part of how the drama is playing its game: we only learn later that the chairman is in perfect health, and this on-his-deathbed thing is a ploy. While everyone thinks he’s comatose, he’s actually eating steak and drinking wine after they leave his VIP bedside. It’s rather hilarious. It’s also hard not to somehow love his collab with Tae-oh, but that’s about to reach a whole new level.
As our episodes this week reach their zenith, finally we have In-ha officially on the scene. When he thought his father was dying, In-ha actually confronted Tae-oh, and in a very charged beach scene, Tae-oh swears to In-ha that, “The reason I exist is you. The reason I exist is to make you chairman.” (Way to come on a little too strong, Tae-oh!)
Now, Tae-oh is not only “impossible” to read but he’s “impossible” (for me) to believe at this point. Even though his Master Plan with In-ha reaches back further than his current plan with the chairman, Tae-oh’s made equally bold statements of loyalty to both of them, and I don’t know which plan is the real plan. Or better yet, I suspect a Master-Master Plan that extends beyond all of this, but we’ll have to see about that…
In the meantime, Tae-oh presents his Revenge Against Backstabbing Wife mission to Chairman Kang, and he bites. The plan, of course, is to bring Son #3 on the scene and start shaking things up. And, as our episodes end, that’s exactly what we see begin.
Thank goodness things started to pick up in Episode 4, because for all the constant plot motion, everything was starting to feel quite stagnant. While I remain a little dismayed over the lack of insight on our characters — and the lack of emotion in this drama overall — it is setting up several cool themes, which I am here for.
The first, mentioned above, was about having to hide your inner self in order to rise/rule in the Kangoh world. But the second is an even more interesting twist on that, delivered to Hye-won of all people: the fact that even when people are trying to hide their true selves, they each have a gap that can be made visible. Theoretically, we saw this happen with Tae-oh when the chairman called out his hidden backstory. And interestingly, Hye-won is positioned as the rare person without said vulnerability (which, no wonder why she seems like a lifeless robot). Then, contrast Hye-won to In-ha, whose vulnerabilities (insecurity, doubt, hotheadedness) we saw glimmers of again this week. There are certainly a lot of interesting characters to play against each other here — I just wish the drama did as good a job of making me emotionally invested in their victories and their failures.
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1 WaterBottle
March 7, 2024 at 9:36 PM
I agree with you that the time jump created a disconnect. The thing I'm most interested in is the relationship between our three leads (yes, including Hye-won, I like her) and I really wanted to see the initial phase of Hye-won and In-Ha dating play out. How did they form a stable relationsip? How did Tae-ho get used to it? When did they start to include Hye-won in their schemes? These are all important moments.
Also, I wonder if In-ha is just playing Hye-won. He overheard her talking about is sister as a means to an end, so he should at least be suspicious of Hye-won's intentions.
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OAsia
March 8, 2024 at 11:09 AM
Maybe In Ha had always seen her as, apart from her beauty, someone who was ideally suited to be the wife of a member of the Kang family. With plans to be the chariman, he could have chosen Hye Won as his wife based on her suitability. The chairman needs a wife because it improves his image in the eyes of the supervisory board, shareholders, etc., that he has a "clean image". His path to becoming the chariman is not typical, because his father never supported him, but he has the genius Tae Oh on his side, so he does not have to look for a rich heiress in the families of other chaebels. But he would need an intelligent, educated, beautiful wife who understands business, by his side, from whom he doesn't have to keep any secrets and can be an ally in all kinds of conglomerate games.
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Seoully
March 12, 2024 at 3:56 PM
I agree on the time skip. With the chairman in the hospital, out of the hospital, sleeping, hanging out on the couch only to find out that there were time skips in there? That made my head hurt haha. I had to pause and try to piece the timeline together myself in my head.
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2 bomibeans
March 7, 2024 at 10:29 PM
All those GORGEOUS faces and young budding talents wasted on such a boring plot! SIGH. It’s so wasteful, it’s criminal.
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3 spazmo
March 7, 2024 at 10:41 PM
thank god it wasn't just me being bored.... i want so very much to like and enjoy this drama, but 3 and 4......
*sighs sadly*
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4 SooHa
March 7, 2024 at 10:41 PM
I'm not satisfied with the time jumping. Hye-won looks like useless characters here, why we need her? Even though we still don't know Hee-joo role, at least her character is so live and strong that I root her with Tae-oh
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5 smurfett820
March 7, 2024 at 10:55 PM
Oh yes! You’ve put in words what I couldn’t put my fingers on.
I LOVE chess like type of dramas and this one hints at one. But I wish LJW would be a bit more expressive so I’m in on his game even when none of the other characters are. Then I would be more invested in his success.
Isn’t this drama 12 episodes? Maybe it’ll do better as 16 episodes so the characters relationships are more fleshed out!
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6 Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
March 7, 2024 at 10:57 PM
Thanks for the weecap @missvictrix
My face recognition skills are beyond bad so a minor character popping up usually causes problems for me. Can someone tell me if we have seen the hacker character before e.g. is he is from their school or university days? I thought these three were fairly isolated once they became the three musketeers so I wondered how they found a trusted fourth to join the plan.
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indyfan
March 7, 2024 at 11:27 PM
The way they hid the hacker’s face before its big reveal, I was sure it was going to be some shocker. But I also just went, huh? I think you’re right, tho it must be some earlier connection.
These three are so tight, I am surprised the chairman didn’t uncover that connection in his background check on Tae-oh. But that might be a plot twist that comes later in the game.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
March 8, 2024 at 4:20 AM
Yeah. I thought the hacker reveal was supposed to mean something but no I don’t recollect seeing this chap before. I just assumed he is some kpop star making a debut, hence the build up. 😅
And what next in dramas - hackers can also read the mind. They treat hacking like a joke and use it so conveniently to solve all plot problems.
Yes, chairman found out about his parents but not about him being friends with In Ha. How is that possible. May be the chairman does know and is letting in In Ha knowingly?
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Kafiyah Bello
March 8, 2024 at 4:25 AM
Nope, he just popped up. I literally said out loud, who the hell is he? They skipped a lot in the time jump.
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miso
March 8, 2024 at 7:03 AM
I think we're supposed to either just take it as a given that Tae-oh has built his own 'underground network' of sorts or we'll get details in flashbacks later. Like the hacker (who incidentally spoke with a North Korean accent in the beginning) or the Café (that was labelled closed but were serving Tae-oh).
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
March 8, 2024 at 11:18 AM
Ooooooh I like this idea. Looking forward to seeing whether this is shown in the next batch of episodes🔎
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bomibeans
March 8, 2024 at 6:53 PM
Me too! I’m looking forward to seeing more shares miraculously appearing in rich people pockets and indulging in the fantasies of my own. Do you magic, hacker! The address of my pockets is somewhere in Illinois *wink*wink*
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
March 8, 2024 at 9:40 PM
That was such a genius move🤣
Kafiyah Bello
March 8, 2024 at 11:24 AM
OOO insight, didn't realize he spoke in N.K. accent.
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7 Mrs Buckwheat
March 7, 2024 at 11:01 PM
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8 Mrs Buckwheat
March 7, 2024 at 11:05 PM
Thanks for the recap missvictrix. I really needed it this week as the quick, successive time jumps at the start of the episodes lost me a little bit.
There was certainly a lot of plot development but I found I wasn't as emotionally invested in the characters in these two episodes because the focus changed from the individual to the revenge schemes/politics.
In- ha hardly appeared over the two hours and the ML leads didn't spend enough screen time together. They are where my interest lies and also where the show excels.
There is no chemistry between In ha and the FL which makes it hard to believe they have any kind of relationship.
The wedding proposal ? was lacklustre and unconvincing. There was zero physical intimacy, they were lying on a couch together with a marked gap between them. Surely after a proposal any normal couple would kiss or romantically touch one another but all we got was a tepid holding of the hands a few moments after the event.
It's hard to believe after the time jumps Tae oh is still pining for the FL and there is any love triangle.
I struggle to see what both the ML's see in her as she has no chemistry with either and her .
The FL's character is underdeveloped and the actor doesn't have the experience to match with the leads. Is she supposed to be a femme fatale type character?
Also I personally don't think the actor playing the patriarch father has the charisma or nuance for this role. It doesn't help with the shirts/jackets they make him wear.
Kudos to the actress playing In - ha's step sister though as she is doing a really good job being an unlikeable, spoiled, rich brat.
The leads are doing a good job but I just don't know.
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Scottie
March 8, 2024 at 2:31 AM
Yes, I am also puzzled by the playboy outfits of the chairman. He is certainly different, not a man in a grey suit, but he is not as flamboyant as the shirts suggest.
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Mrs Buckwheat
March 8, 2024 at 3:23 AM
While I appreciate it’s not the normal, bland suit wearing patriarch, the clothing doesn’t match the character’s personality at all. If they wanted flamboyant, I think they should of picked a different actor.
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
March 8, 2024 at 10:26 PM
Yes - I always know exactly what to expect from Choi Jin-ho. Only the upholstery differentiates this character from many previous ones so far. I wonder if he gets bored?
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9 indyfan
March 7, 2024 at 11:07 PM
I’m reminded of plotting by bullet points, jumping from event to event. You can write a decent airport thriller like that. And I surprised myself by finding *some* of the chaebol scheming interesting even if far too glossy, far too improbable. But if you don’t give the plot points room to breathe, deepen the story with texture, add emotional depth to the characters, I’m afraid you’ll leave this reader, err, watcher, cold.
Add to this some rather one-note characters, lack of chemistry between most characters, and some flat acting, it’s all adding up to a disappointing experience. I understood Tae-oh took the chairman’s memo not to show emotion to heart, but there’s a lot of ways to play that, robot is not my preferred method.
Sigh. I had such hopes. Perhaps they’ll course correct in the next episodes. I did enjoy some of the twisty plot, the chemistry between the chairman and Tae-oh, and some wonderful outfits. I’ll hang on for a bit longer to see.
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LaurenSophie
March 8, 2024 at 6:37 AM
When the chairman told Tae-oh to never show his emotions again, I was like "NO!" and "When has he ever showed them before?" and "Come on, the last thing this drama needs is for LJW to show us nothing!" In short, I was struck by how little awareness people creating this drama had when it comes to creating a story that viewers would find at all engaging. They seem to be doing the exact opposite of what they should, and this was just one of many examples of that clueless contrariness.
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indyfan
March 8, 2024 at 8:38 AM
IKR? He was completely expressionless already but he did clench his fists—the most common way the traumatized men of dramaland emote apparently. 😅 How I want to gift them a book on emotional tells for characters.
But I guess that’s the least of their problems, which you and I and the whole of Beaniedom is yelling at them to fix. I’ll keep watching but I’m not getting my hopes up.
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bomibeans
March 8, 2024 at 6:59 PM
Y’all, in his defense, The Plot Chart in the Apartment is a rather temperamental girlfriend. She rarely speaks or comforts him and he might just never had a normal relationship to know anything better. Let’s give their relationship a bit more time to develop, shall we? We might just see his character to warm a bit by the end of the series, let’s hope.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
March 8, 2024 at 11:23 PM
On a side note now you bring it up, I don’t get the massive in your face plot charts characters have in dramas that leave them so exposed when they are discovered. He knows the chairman did a background check is he not scared his apartment will have a break in? Surely in this day and age it would be on an encrypted device?
bomibeans
March 11, 2024 at 8:31 PM
@reply1988 I think this drama doesn’t even have to worry about plot holes. To worry about plot holes, you need to have a plot to begin with. 🤣
Seoully
March 12, 2024 at 3:59 PM
@bomibeans oh my gosh your comment on the plot holes has me dying laughing.
10 Mrs Buckwheat
March 7, 2024 at 11:10 PM
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11 peiyeelai
March 7, 2024 at 11:15 PM
I wish the actors are a bit more expressive. Just going to hang in there and watch the chess game.
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12 Kurama
March 8, 2024 at 12:20 AM
Does the writer really think that we are interested to see rich people without moral compass fight each other? Because I'm really not...
The only interesting part was the 3 of them climbing the social scale and fighting against all the villains. But instead we got Tae-Ho becoming the man of the Chairman and the last 2 disapeared. Their reunions on the rooftop are not really interesting because it's Tae-Ho who speaks and the other who listen. I have no idea what HYe-Won's place is in this plan... She's useless and she can't thing by herself because her first reaction is to ask help from Tae-Ho. It's sad they made her like this. She chose In-Ha over Tae-Ho because it was better for her, but they could let her having pride and respect at least.
The fact Tae-Ho hide the truth about the Chairman from In-Ha was pretty mean.
Hee-joo was disapointing...
They can't write good female characters.
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Flix_Crusin
March 9, 2024 at 2:37 AM
Agree with most of your points, except, tbh, I AM intrested in seeing rich people without moral compass foghting each other.
To be fair - the drama was advertised as an underdog rising to the top story, and the execution of what we did get is very flat.
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Kurama
March 9, 2024 at 2:53 AM
Yes, but for now the underdog is helping one of the villain.
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Seoully
March 12, 2024 at 3:42 PM
I agree. I'm not a fan of Hyewon but it feels like the drama is just now Taeoh Taeoh Taeoh. I want more of Inha and his background which we got a glimpse of in ep 4.
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13 Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
March 8, 2024 at 12:26 AM
I liked episode 3 a whole lot less than the first two. After the time jumps, everyone is grim, glum, ponderous, and pretentious - except the FL, who is merely a dud. Are we really supposed to believe that she's an intelligent, scheming, active member of their long-term conspiracy? There isn't nearly enough of Jun and what there is doesn't have nearly enough of the volatility and charisma he showed before. Episode 4 was a little better, partly because everyone is finally in the present time and same place - but we missed a lot in those time jumps, especially anything that would invest us in the main characters. Even In-ha seems joyless and mostly just going through the motions again. I can’t see what he sees in Hye-won.
What I did like: um, the clothes? The chaebol women’s fashions with the meter-wide shoulders make me laugh even if nothing else does. Wearing lace gloves to hack meaningfully at the roses is definitely a look. The suits are sharp. One of the chairman’s shirts even matched the upholstery on his living room chairs. The wheelchair is no ToD, but it does have a certain presence.
There are some nice drama memories in the apartment that nasty big brother In-ju offers Tae-oh as a bribe - it’s the same one where the leads share a steamy night in Business Proposal ep. 11. They’ve changed out the sofa cushions, but everything else is the same, right down to the potted plants. Did I rewatch that scene in BP and forget to go back to TIH? Possibly.
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bomibeans
March 8, 2024 at 12:49 AM
Oh.my.god. I realized now WHY I’m watching this utterly dull attempt at drama — to read comments like YOURS. Worth every fast-forwarded second of my life. CONTINUE, PLEASE! 👏
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Gum Shoe
March 8, 2024 at 3:03 AM
The Stiletto also had an exciting impact.
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Kafiyah Bello
March 8, 2024 at 4:28 AM
Lol, 🥰😛😏😏
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OAsia
March 8, 2024 at 6:25 AM
I honestly suspect that the drama has a contract to advertise these clothes.
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14 Scottie
March 8, 2024 at 2:46 AM
I am pleased that I was not the only one to be 'bored to tears' by ep 3. I was scratching my head about what director and writer are trying to do with this good cast.
The story looks more and more like one of these makjang dramas that are tough to comprehend based on common sense and the moral standards of a normal people: The greedy chairman, his evil wife, the son hitting his secretary with a baseball stick and asking if it hurt, the spoilt daughter forced into marrying an equally spoilt chaebol and I am sure there is a birth secret as well! Without the two leading actors (both can do so much more!) this would be a straight drop for me, I will give it another week.
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15 Gum Shoe
March 8, 2024 at 2:56 AM
All plot, no heart. Yes, this is like watching a chess game, but it's like watching AI play against each other. The viewer is not a player in the game, so there is no investment or interest in the game itself. But the show doesn't give us anything to be invested in the players--not enough back story, not enough connection between the players--what if Queen's Gambit showed you the matches without showing anything to care about who wins or who loses?
Sure, LJW is a compelling actor. However, in this show, I haven't been given anything to care why he is playing the long game. His stated raison d'être, making Inha Chairman of Kangoh, is just that--stated. We have no idea why this is so important, just that it is. It feels like the show is using Tae Oh plot chart in his apartment as the driving force, but it forgot to put in how Tae Oh is connected in any meaningful way. The show should have put in scenes showing the relationship over the years between In Ha and Tae Oh to give depth, nuance or complication to the "I Iive solely to make you Chairman" plot line. But no, all we got were just time skips and a declarative statement at the beach.
The most interesting people in the show are the people who have shown some vulnerability. In Ha, even if I am not convinced he wants to Chairman position, I did believe that he wanted to be invited into the big house, have a seat at that dreary dinner table, and be acknowledged as the Chairman's son. As to why he trusts Tae Oh and doesn't question why Tae Oh only lives for him, the show gives us nothing other than Tae Oh is good at the chess game. Hui Joo also gives us something to care or be interested in--she was the only one who made Tae Oh deviate at all from his precision plot march forward when he came back to put on her car pounding stiletto. I don't know if that is enough for a relationship, and I don't know if I ship them, but at least it was some type of emotional moment.
There is too much hand acting (how many shots of slowly clenching fists can a show have?) and not enough heart in this show. It's so boring. Someone let me know who wins at the end--a box score will suffice since the characters and relationships don't seem to matter.
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candilane
March 8, 2024 at 3:22 AM
Honestly, I noticed that all of Chairman Kangs children are rather passionate and hot blooded with temper issues..
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OAsia
March 8, 2024 at 6:18 AM
"All plot, no heart"
Because the characters in the drama sold their hearts for money and power. The only person who wears her heart on her sleeve and fights for so-called love is In Ha's half-sister. But even she is the true daughter of the rich, enjoying luxuries and not caring about others. She destroyed Tae Oh's cars and didn't care about the cost. She acted like a spoiled brat. Even the chauffeur of the eldest son of the Kand family sold his dignity. He must be receiving a lot of money from his employer to allow himself to be abused. This drama presents a world of people who are rather disgusting, if measured by the usual standards of who is a good person and who is a bad person. But I like it in a drama, because if, for example, all the main characters die in the finale or go to prison for their crimes, it will be deserved.
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indyfan
March 8, 2024 at 6:18 AM
“ how many shots of slowly clenching fists can a show have?”
Thank you pointing this out! Were there enough clenches for a drinking game? I hope the show has an occupational therapist on call.
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bomibeans
March 8, 2024 at 9:08 AM
I liked The Plot Chart In The Apartment, it's cool, highly motivated, organized, and it plans stuff. I'm looking forward to what The Plot Chart in The Apartment is going to do next. Bring it on, Show! 🍿
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Gum Shoe
March 8, 2024 at 9:41 AM
The Plot Chart in the Apartment (PCITA) may be Tae Oh’s most meaningful and best developed relationship. What I would love to see unfold:
Ep. 5: PCITA is exhausted after a long hard day of plotting and falls asleep. Tae Ho is moved by PCITA’s hard work and gently reaches out to almost touch PCITA’s beautiful brows, but then pulls back when PCITA is awakened.
EP 6: PCITA falls over on Tae Oh accidentally and the two share an awkward, but wide eyed, heart fluttering lip touch.
EP 7: Tae Oh has a bad day when his plot ploy goes awry. He breaks down in his apartment and PCITA embraces him (it’s hard to imagine Tae Oh initiating a hug) while Tae Oh receives it with arms straight by his side because he is not ready to take it to the next level and hug back.
EP 8: PCITA brings Tae Oh an umbrella when he is unexpectedly caught in a downpour after a bad day.
EP 9: After everyone betrayed him, Tae Oh runs home to PCITA realizing that PCITA is the only one who’s had ever truly seen him for what he is and still loved him.
EP 10: It’s too late. PCITA has left in order to save Tae Oh for his own good and decides to go a quiet life in the countryside as a park sign,
EP 12: PCITA and Tae Oh reconcile after an episode apart and share a meaningful look with a slight smile on both faces. The ambiguous ending leaves viewers decided, but the two know the truth.
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bomibeans
March 8, 2024 at 10:45 AM
Oh the chemistry I envision on your telling, the feels, the tenderness, the micro expressions I can just see on PCITA's face! (It's quite tropey though but who cares, at least, it's not boring!) Everyone needs someone like PCITA in their lives *crossit* their apartments! 🥺
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indyfan
March 8, 2024 at 5:44 PM
Oh my. The anthropomorphization and love story of a plot chart. 😂😂😂 You’re right. Ain’t nothing gonna cracks Tae-oh’s shell except his revenge plans. LOL.
Bomibeans, you’re right. Beanies are bringing their A game to this recap. Shame about the show, tho.
bomibeans
March 8, 2024 at 6:16 PM
Episode 4 still gave me hope that it’s going to rise to a level of a very, very, very bad makjang. But the way they keep hacking the screaming and crying scenes — like The Angry Director got a machete all of a sudden — does not inspire any hope in me. On a brighter side, the drama is so bad, it’s borderline hilarious, and I’m not quitting it just yet. You know, you know, I see it now, it might just have a potential to be the worst drama of the year, I’m here for it! 🍿🥤
Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
March 8, 2024 at 10:40 PM
@bomibeans @indyfan So far it's Numbers without the self-awareness, exaggerated emoting, sly humor, swagger, dagger brooches, elevator confrontations, or eyebrow action. In other words, without everything that makes a corporate makjang enjoyable, except some pretty faces and nice suits. Even a literal car crash would be a welcome diversion at this point.
bomibeans
March 11, 2024 at 8:39 PM
@elinor Numbers was like a high-school play, and IH is like a kindergarten play. No one does arched brows in this play cause the kiddos don’t know how to do eyebrows action yet. All they do is scream at each other, “I hate you!” and hit each other once in a while.
Seoully
March 12, 2024 at 4:03 PM
Wait wouldn't PCITA in ep 8 get upset with Tae Oh about the umbrella since he already did that to Hye Won? Scandal!
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bomibeans
March 12, 2024 at 8:10 PM
The Beanie’s plot now thickens… I hope IH writers read our comments and take notes. We want PCITA, we want scandals, we WANT *gasp* the actual plot! 🙌
16 candilane
March 8, 2024 at 2:58 AM
Thank you for the review. I am slightly disappointed that you didnt mention Kang Huiji in the article and her character arc. Huiji and Tae Ho have amazing chemistry together and I think her marriage will be important in the upcoming episodes. Personally, I enjoy the conversations between Huiji and Tae ho the most because its the only time we actually get a REACTION out of Han Tae ho. When looking at the Kang family so far, I am definitly seeing that they are people with hot tempers ( the Chairman and all his children can been seen losing their tempers) this is quite opposite to the cool and collected Han Tae ho or the robot Hyewoon.
Now, As for Hyewoon and Tae ho, I just dont see it happening. Even if there is feelings its 100% situation where that ship has sailed and they missed their golden opportunity. I dont see them together at all, I mean she was with his BEST FRIEND for like 10 years for Pete's sake. Them getting together now would seem out of place and gross. So I cant see them getting together at all. Now, on the other hand Huiji and Tae Ho make alot of sense.. Not because of her genuine feelings for him ( and she expresses it, unlike Hyewon). Its because we are starting to see Inha unravel a bit, meaning he may not have the mental stability to see this plan through which is what I think Tae Ho might be banking on. Tae ho STUDIES people and I am thinking that if Inha fails him, he will take the throne for himself. I think Tae Ho is the Impossible Heir ( not Inha), Inha may be just a means to an end. I hope that is not the case because I love their bromance but I wouldnt be surprised and if he marries Huiji that would actually give Tae Ho a level of legitimacy to take the throne. Remember what the brother said about him being Kang Tae Ho rather than Han Tae Ho.. I dont think these little jewels are being dropped for no reason. I also think that Tae ho is NOT as immune to Huiji and her antics as he pretends to be. Why was he staring at her like that in the hospital? Now, I am not saying it will be a happy ending for those two ( this is not a romance drama) but I really want them to have a happy ending TBH. However, I have a inkling that these two will be together for business reasons, for love, who knows but it just makes more sense overall to the story line.
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OAsia
March 8, 2024 at 6:23 AM
"Huiji and Tae Ho have amazing chemistry together and I think her marriage will be important in the upcoming episodes. "
I wonder what her unwanted fiancé did in the US, what kind of "trouble"? Was he involved in drugs? Does he have an illegitimate child there? Was he accused of something, e.g. rape, and his lawyers saved him from going to prison? It must have been something serious if rumors spread about it.
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Warrior Ajumma
March 8, 2024 at 6:25 AM
I also thought this. He is not related, but becomes the Heir through the back door as son-in-law. No one sees it coming.
As to why he is trying to make others powerful, is that he is planning a big favor that needs someone to get him off the hook. My theory is that he wants to kill his step-dad to free his mom, and anticipates needing help in either covering it up, or getting a reduced sentence. His goal is big power, by either proxy or possibly in the end, by taking the throne himself.
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Warrior Ajumma
March 8, 2024 at 7:36 AM
Actually, I was just reminded that he apparently framed his step-dad for his mom’s murder, so he fears his step-dad’s retribution? And needs influence to save him from consequences?
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LaurenSophie
March 8, 2024 at 7:24 AM
At the beginning of the show, I was hoping for exactly this progression: that Huiji would grow up to be a force and Tae-ho would eventually fall for and find in her his true partner. But she's a one-note, entitled brat. One with chemistry with Tae-ho, but not someone I can really root for, either. I also don't think the show is going there.
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candilane
March 8, 2024 at 9:11 AM
hmm lets agree to disagree, I dont think she is more or less one note than any of the other characters. How is she an entitled brat? I mean she is spoiled but she seems to have a good heart and a geninune interest in the Tae ho and unlike the FL who is playing with fire with friends, we can see that Huiji has only had eyes for Tae ho. What is wrong with Huiji? I mean all of the characters are one dimensional so far... The mean mother, the greedy brothers, the insecure third son and quiet and yet scheming female lead and the Tsundere Han Tae Ho.. I mean I dont think Huiji is worse than any of their character arcs..
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LaurenSophie
March 8, 2024 at 9:30 AM
I agree that she's no worse than the other characters, but that's not really saying anything to her credit. I thought initially she might have more complexity, but she doesn't. She might not be an entirely awful person--I do agree that at times she shows herself to have about as much heart as any of the other characters--she still does act entitled in the way she communicates with pretty much everyone around her, expecting them to comply with her wishes. That's not really tempered by the fact that she's not an out-and-out amoral witch.
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candilane
March 8, 2024 at 3:11 PM
She is spoiled but she is still better than that female lead.. my goodness.. sketchy? Manipulate man to move you into his house.. CHECK, Secretly meet boyfriends best friend for rooftop sessions alone... CHECK...Tell boyfriend you will become his wife WHEN he takes the throne.. LOL.. CHECK... Yeah.. Huiji is practically a saint compared to the FL
bomibeans
March 8, 2024 at 6:24 PM
@laurensophie and @candiland
It’s interesting to read your discussion about who of these two female characters hold a higher moral ground. But I feel a bit of pity that your brilliant brain cells are getting wasted on a drama that is on track to be the worst drama of the year. Save them, our brain cells are soooo precious! 😅💗
candilane
March 10, 2024 at 1:53 AM
@bomibeans This is an open platform to have fun discussions on a show that we are watching. If you dont like what we are discussing that is indeed your pergoative but my brain cells arent being wasted and I dont remember asking for your pity or your opinion on this matter. I dont think its on track to being the worse drama of the year and if you do think in this matter, I am unsure of why you are on this platform discussing it. It surely seems like a waste of your brilliant brain cells to do so. I hope the show gets better for you so that you dont waste your time commenting on others post. Fighting!
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bomibeans
March 10, 2024 at 4:18 AM
“If you don’t like what we were discussing.” Actually, I did like it, lots of great points from you two. Again as I said yours is an interesting discussion and I joked (hopefully it came across as a joke), that these one-dimensional cardboards of characters did not deserve anyone’s time to discuss them. If the joke didn’t land it with you, oh well, I’m sorry and I’ll continue working on my jokes more laboriously and ardently to nail them better next time. And I agree, this is an open platform, and as such I’ll continue wasting my brain cells on this utterly hilariously bad drama because it makes me laugh. If the drama turns out to be (hopefully) better, then it’s even better, I’ll then be discussing the phenomenal job they did turning such awesome tripeness of this show into a semblance of watchability. I’m def sticking around to see how it’s going to turn around. 💗
17 miso
March 8, 2024 at 3:22 AM
Thanks for the recap @missvictrix. I too found the "The reason I exist is you" conversation way over-the-top. In fact it felt so bizarre I began to wonder if there's more to In-ha and Tae-oh's connection - something to do with their mothers? Or fathers?! Tae-oh did say the man in prison is not his biological father 👀.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
March 8, 2024 at 4:06 AM
I think @indyfan mentioned earlier that he may be the impossible heir and could be the ‘secret’ son of chairman 😅
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miso
March 8, 2024 at 4:57 AM
I've seen that theory floating around! But I'm more intrigued by how sincere he sounded. Reminded me of another chaebol 😂.
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indyfan
March 8, 2024 at 6:03 AM
Oh yes. Lots of us theorists! We have so many possibilities:
1) He’s another chaebol heir born out of wedlock and—
Variant A: He knows it and is thus resistant to the charms of the half sister. Feels kinda icky.
Variant B: He doesn’t know it and this is really icky.
2) He’s not the chairman’s son but will eventually takeover the company. This may or may not involve marrying the daughter.
(Note: Why do we not consider the daughter? Is that truly the most impossible heir in our times still? Refer to Wedding Impossible for supporting evidence.)
3) The impossible heir is who the show is already telling us. This will both be surprising and a letdown.
I don’t think they’re going for ick so now I’m leaning toward 2 or 3.
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miso
March 8, 2024 at 6:58 AM
I think 2 would be an interesting outcome because it'd be against both the people Tae-oh is supporting (or so they think). But the very first scene of the first episode suggests that the actual outcome might be much more tragic for Tae-oh.
miso
March 8, 2024 at 6:59 AM
Oh also I agree about the daughters! Esp. the one in Wedding Impossible seems pretty competent!
18 Blue (@mayhemf)
March 8, 2024 at 4:03 AM
Thanks for the recap @missvictrix, I rofl-ed at the ‘impossible to believe’. At that point my eyeroll worked very hard.
I wish the show spent more time on the friendship between the leads and their interactions. It really felt so jarring that In Ha throws a tantrum and Tae oh comforts him with ‘my existence is to make you chairman’ really? This is the core of their connection? I wanted more. More heart. More at stake.
I wish the show had embraced a makjang tone rather than trying to appear smart. Because it is not.
Best part of the these episodes
- LJW
- LJW’s suits
- LJW’s side profile
- in ha and sister smiling at the dinner table
- Tae Oh putting her shoes for her even after those tantrums.
Why are they still in the rooftop? Is he renting it out for nostalgia sake or did he never level up after 5 years????
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Kafiyah Bello
March 8, 2024 at 4:31 AM
Accurate!!
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indyfan
March 8, 2024 at 6:08 AM
I do like LJW and really do believe he has range, but your comment on his beautiful profiles made me think he is so glossy in this, so stiff, I feel I’m watching one of those life-sized cutouts. I don’t even see his lips move sometimes.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
March 8, 2024 at 7:10 AM
Yes. I do feel this is probably LJW’s weakest role so far. Him being ‘unreadable’ should have been with just the chairman. That’s why we needed more scenes with the friends. A little more depth. He looks like he is just reciting lines even when he is talking to In ho, who is supposed to be his friend for more than 10 years now!
And the rooftop conversation with Hye Won is the blandest scene in the entire drama.
May be the whole plot is about him deceiving everyone around him and we see his true colors later??
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candilane
March 8, 2024 at 9:15 AM
I would have to say the Chairmans Shirts are some of my favorite, the chairman and Tae ho scenes and Always Tae Ho and Huiji scenes..
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19 Kafiyah Bello
March 8, 2024 at 4:35 AM
The time jumps were weird. Tae Ho's reason for living being In Ha was weirder. Hye Won's non relationship with In Ha( she obviously doesn't like him) the weirdest. Huija still liking Tae Ho and Tae Ho being affected by her, interesting. The rest is just pretending intelligence, but I will still watch.
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20 Unit
March 8, 2024 at 4:42 AM
Tae-ho: The reason I exist is you!
In-ha:
Me: Now kiss. 🤷♀️
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miso
March 8, 2024 at 4:53 AM
🤝
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Seon-ha
March 8, 2024 at 5:41 AM
I think that would put us in the “Star Wars” paradox, though… https://youtu.be/-AOU0NwIV9c
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Minnie🫘👩🏻🚀Pioneer and Teacher 👩🏻🏫🌱🏹
March 8, 2024 at 8:21 AM
I am here for comments like this LOL! First 30 minutes had me convinced I could not sit through this drama but I so love the comments.
You remind me of the Viki commentators who go 'kiss kiss after every three seconds of OTP being together haha!
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bomibeans
March 8, 2024 at 10:20 AM
It's all for comments, I'm watching it, all for comments! 🍿
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Kafiyah Bello
March 8, 2024 at 11:26 AM
I HOLLLERED, this reminds me of watching a drama and reading Viki comments. 😂😂😂
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21 Seon-ha
March 8, 2024 at 5:50 AM
The appearance of Officer Orabeoni from The Matchmakers was, hands-down, the best part of the episodes this week.
Well, that and In-ha showing distrust of Tae-oh. I liked seeing the twisty-turns between the two of them start.
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DancingEmma
March 8, 2024 at 9:54 AM
@attiton: Seon-ha, I’m a tiny bit nostalgic that you flipped back.
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22 OAsia
March 8, 2024 at 5:52 AM
In this scene between Tae Oh and the chairman, I wondered if this was Tae Oh's real reaction? Was he really surprised at that moment that the chairman had checked his background? For someone like the chairman, finding such information is not difficult. Perhaps Tae Oh's reaction was intentional to make the chairman think he had information he could use against him. In this way, Tae Oh gained the chairman's trust. From the scene with Hye Won at her job, we saw that being a person without weak points is not welcomed, because such a person cannot be seen through and possibly blackmailed. A person who is difficult to see through is dangerous because that person can do anything and is out of control without knowing their weak points. I think this is one of the reasons why Hye Won's character is poorly received by viewers. All the other characters have weak points, but we don't know her weak points. Even Tae Oh doesn't know what really drives her. Even he, a "chess master", can't figure out Hye Won. This is an interesting element of this drama. The relationship between Tae Oh and In Ha somehow reminds me of the relationship between the "fake king" and the minister in "The Crowned Clown". For now, I'm watching the drama with the thought that Tae Oh really sincerely wants In Ha to become the chairman. Maybe it's because whenever I doubt his intentions, I remember the scene from the first episode where Tae Oh was looking at the Kang family residence and saw In Ha alone in the window. The two were watching the birthday party of the Kang family's eldest son. They were both not part of it, but could only watch it from afar. That scene seems important, as if at that moment Tae Oh decided to link his fate with In Ha's fate.
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23 OAsia
March 8, 2024 at 6:01 AM
I'm wondering about the cassette of music that Tae Oh often listens to. I feel like I know this song. Is this something from the 70's or 80's? It's as if I'd heard this song in some other drama with a plot set in those times.
And I wonder if Tae Oh listens to this song because it relaxes him or because it reminds him of his goal, that he cannot stray from his path.
And I wonder if the sea for Tae Oh is something that really relaxes him or reminds him of his mother's death and that he has to get back at the Kang family for it.
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Warrior Ajumma
March 8, 2024 at 7:31 AM
His mother was alive when he was in high school. He told her to run.
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OAsia
March 8, 2024 at 10:54 AM
I mixed up the names in the last paragraph. There should be: In Ha. In H and the sea. His mother killed herself. Perhaps he and his mother went to the seaside together sometimes. That's why the sea is important to him. Maybe the sea reminds him to get back at the Kang family for her death. Maybe the sea is not something that calms him down, but rather gives him motivation to stick to his plan.
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24 LaurenSophie
March 8, 2024 at 6:32 AM
I guess I'm glad to read that episode four is better, because after episode three completely bored and frustrated me, I thought this might be the end for me and "Impossible Heir." But I might be compelled to give it one more shot. I'm not sure why, honestly, but maybe it's the fact that all the wasted potential here makes me hope for some kind of miraculous turnaround.
For now, I can't help but feel that this show is extremely mediocre at best, and utterly pointless at worst. There is almost zero characterization (who are these people and why are they doing what they're doing beyond because the plot dictates that they do so? I don't know!) which means no one feels like a genuine human being with human reactions, impulses, and desires. Everything and everybody looks good and every scene is filmed as if Extremely Important and Thematically Profound Things Are Happening, but there's no there there.
I'll try not to rag on the FL because she's not the only one who seems like a robot, but how, how, HOW is it possible that she has no chemistry at all with either Jun or LJW?
I'm disappointed. The show is even too boring to enjoy on a train wreck level.
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bomibeans
March 8, 2024 at 10:35 AM
"Everything and everybody looks good and every scene is filmed as if Extremely Important and Thematically Profound Things Are Happening, but there's no there there."
I'm here for comments like these. 👏🍿
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bomibeans
March 8, 2024 at 6:35 PM
Also, LaurenSophie, let’s continue watching it! After barely squeezing the will to watch the last 15 minutes of episode 4, I had a marvelous epiphany! This show is HAILAIRIOUS! I think it has a potential to be a decent train wreck, like the show that thinks, it’s smart and deep and important but is actually a pure unintentional comedic gold. Let’s hope? Maybe? Crossing fingers??
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LaurenSophie
March 11, 2024 at 7:27 PM
Just for you, I did watch episode 4, and decided that if Pretentious Makjang was a genre, IH would be Exhibit A. It takes itself sooooo seriously, but is also incredibly shallow, so moments that should be deeply earnest and profound fall flat. I do wish, as with PMR, that the writers and producers had embraced the high comedy of it all and reveled in humor, because then it would be a lot more amusing. As it stands, I vacillate between annoyance and boredom--with the characters, the sheer dearth of characterization, and the banal dialogue--and I'm not sure how long I'm in for that.
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Dylan [Suffering from Judge from Hell brainrot]
March 11, 2024 at 5:18 PM
'Everything and everybody looks good and every scene is filmed as if Extremely Important and Thematically Profound Things Are Happening, but there's no there there' .... what an amazing way to sum up this drama.
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25 cjoyce17
March 8, 2024 at 4:05 PM
obviously I haven't read all the comments since it is already a lot but based on what I read this show is bad or at least the FL acting and the "Timeskip"? I am still trying to finish episode 2. And everyone's praising the chemistry with the 2nd FL and Taeho but nah I can't see it. Although her acting is better than the FL. I am not hating the FL that much, her acting is not great but it is not that bad although yeah it would been better if it was another actress instead. So I am wondering if episode 3 and 4 is better than the first two. Is it worth to continue watching this?
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bomibeans
March 8, 2024 at 6:40 PM
YES! If you squuuiiiint your eyes hard enough, you’ll see what I finally saw crawling to a finish line of episode 4. It’s actually a quite, quite funny show. Nowhere you’ll see such zingers as bats slapping on buttocks, heels scratching the hoods of expensive cars, and Plot Charts In The Apartment serving as our hero’s true love and bed companion! Don’t give up! It becomes funnier if watched together, trust me!
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Dylan [Suffering from Judge from Hell brainrot]
March 11, 2024 at 5:16 PM
also, did he not find *anywhere* else but the window for his Plot-Relevant Chart?
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bomibeans
March 11, 2024 at 8:25 PM
Omg. 🤣🤣🤣 Poor Plot Chart in the Apartment. Revealing all the secrets to anyone who merely raises up eyes to check out the rooftop apartment of our hero. Too bad it still didn’t reveal any semblance of an actual plot for us. 🤣
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26 Dylan [Suffering from Judge from Hell brainrot]
March 11, 2024 at 5:15 PM
I'll keep it real, I have no idea what is going on with this drama and why. I'm just vibing with LJW and the lady playing Kang Hui-ju. they are the only reasons I haven't dropped this so far.
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LaurenSophie
March 11, 2024 at 7:34 PM
They both are very attractive and there's some natural chemistry between them, but my god, that scene in the garage was so terribly written. Best Worst Example: "Just you wait and see if we get married or not!" Um, ok. First, this makes no sense (he's going to wait around and see if one day he wakes up and is married to her? Huh?). Second, she thinks she's in love with him, and he just told her that although it's ok for her to feel that way, forcing herself on him or forcing him to love her back is a crime. So why is her retort that he should wait and see if he's her husband? And I don't blame the character, although she's ridiculous and entitled (her whole belief system is that because she wants something or someone, she should get to have it/them); it's the writing that's to blame here. Even allowing for translation errors or omissions, this whole scene was jaw-droppingly inane.
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Dylan [Suffering from Judge from Hell brainrot]
March 12, 2024 at 4:48 AM
That last we saw her crying after coldly saying he was just her servant and could never really dream of even dating her. Like 10 years later, somehow she's still in love with him and even wants to marry him?
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27 Seoully
March 12, 2024 at 3:55 PM
Look, I'm going to try to write this review without spoilers (because someone - not you guys - didn't have adult in them on a review I left elsewhere - dude the spoilers were covered like you asked!) anyways... but I want more of Inha. I get it, Taeoh is supposed to be like the main focus. But he's becoming too much of a main focus, like he's the only one we should like and we should just feel sorry for Inha. I mean, imagine what Inha is going through. The scene on the beach just had to confuse him even more.
And I hope this isn't considered a spoiler but when he raised a fist to hit someone again, he actually showed a little depth in his emotions in the way he held himself back. That looked like an inner struggle.
I want to see more of his background. What he saw in ep 4 was heartbreaking and made me want more of his past, something we haven't gotten yet. So far all we've known is that he's the illegitimate son of Kangoh's chairman. That's it. We know more of Taeoh and Hyewon (who of course I don't really like). Hyewon feels forced when she's on screen for even as little as she has. Like they bring her in trying to make her seem so important and it just fizzles like a cringey pick up line (seriously, that's what her parts make me think of. Hello, the roof scene? Ugh).
Overall I'm really worried that the writers are going to make Inha become an antagonist which in all honesty is one of the oldest tropes in the book. If that happens, I'm not watching anymore. It would just make it seem again like Taeoh is the highest of all characters and Inha couldn't handle it. I want to see him stronger, surprising Taeoh even.
On a side note, can I just say after the last few episodes I kinda feel bad for Seongju? Not in a good way but in a sad way. The guy is too hooked on his psycho witch mom that it's oddly disturbing. I don't think he can think for himself.
Last but not least Huiju. I like her. I like what the actress has brought to the field and I can't wait to see more of her. I'm not one for picking ships/relationships (except Hyewon - I really don't want to see her with either ML) but she has a lot of tenacity and strong will that I want to see where she goes with it.
Anyway, that's my review of episodes 3-4. If there's a spoiler in there somewhere you don't like, please have the decency to message me privately and I'll edit it. :-P That was a luxury the other place didn't give me! LOL.
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Seoully
March 12, 2024 at 4:15 PM
I forgot to mention I hate the way Taeoh talked to the chairman about bringing Inha in. I get that Taeoh isn't supposed to show that he knows Inha outside of knowing OF him and that Taeoh is supposed to show no emotion but man that hurt.
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bomibeans
March 12, 2024 at 8:21 PM
The rule is once the recap is out you can discuss everything happening in that series, literally like everything. No worries.
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indyfan
March 12, 2024 at 8:50 PM
Yes, everything in the recap up to that point, but not the preview or any other sneak peeks you may have seen about coming episodes.* In my early days, I got a slap on my wrist for that. I forgot which show, but my wrist is still stinging so I thought I'd save someone some minor, e-pain. :-)
Outside the recaps it gets murky...
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bomibeans
March 13, 2024 at 8:45 AM
If someone is so antsy about spoilers that they *go to recaps of those episodes* and *read comments* and *scold* people for revealing too much to their liking, shouldn't they just take a tiny bit of responsibility for their own viewing experience?? Nah, I have no patience for such entitled people. I will discuss the previews and everything happening in those recaps and speculate as to what might happen because this is the PLACE for doing that. If those people are so antsy to the point of scolding others, maybe they should just stay away from comments.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
March 13, 2024 at 9:34 AM
I believe this was part of commenting policy. To not discuss anything beyond what the recaps talk about. To me that
Includes previews. The recapper doesn’t discuss previews.
As someone who hates spoilers I stay away from fan wall until I watch the episode. But I don’t expect recaps
Discussion to have preview details. Theories are always welcome and discussed.
Some kind beanies include spoiler note when discussing previews.
Call me entitled. But I don’t plan on staying away from recaps or db. But knowing which beanies will post preview spoiler is helpful so I can avoid the comments in future.
bomibeans
March 13, 2024 at 9:57 AM
@mayhemf
I respect your point of view and I endeavor to treat all Beanies with courtesy and decency. I DO discuss the previews in the comments and I DO speculate extensively on all the possible scenarios involving the plot discussed in the recaps. Unless DB suspends me for violating the rules, I will continue doing so because the episodes and previews are OUT IN THE PUBLIC and they are fair game for discussion. Whether individuals have not yet watched the episodes (then why are they coming to read the comments and complain about spoilers?) or whether it’s individual’s common practice of not watching the previews or not indulging in speculations about possible scenarios, then it’s there responsibility to be careful in the place that is designed precisely for this — a discussion of *what happened* in the complete run of the episode and what that means, which often involves a deep analysis of characters and possible scenarios. It’s a very fair game for a discussion if the episodes are all out in the public is all I’m saying.
Kurama
March 13, 2024 at 10:28 AM
@mayhemf is right.
It's forbidden to talk about the previews of the next episode in the recap because a lot of people don't watch them. It's considered as a spoiler.
bomibeans
March 13, 2024 at 10:33 AM
@db-staff @kurama
Can I please have a link to “previews”as being forbidden to discuss?
Kurama
March 13, 2024 at 10:39 AM
NO SPOILERS. This means anything that has happened in a series beyond the recap in which you are posting. If you post spoilers, they will be deleted, you will grow warts on your toes, and javabeans will learn how to make voodoo dolls to stick you in effigy. Don’t make her come after you.
It doesn't specify previews, but they did it in a recap one in my memory.
https://www.dramabeans.com/about-old/commenting-policy/
bomibeans
March 13, 2024 at 10:47 AM
@kurama
Alright then, the discussion of “previews” is allowed because there’s no specific policy forbidding them, and the current policy does not specify that “previews” are by definition considered “spoilers.” Of course, as a privately-run blog business, @db-staff has a complete right to suspend any account for whatever reason they want.
I will continue then discussing the “previews” in the comments to the recaps because they were a part of the entire run of episodes. Thanks for clarification.
Kurama
March 13, 2024 at 10:59 AM
This means anything that has happened in a series beyond the recap in which you are posting. It's kinda the definition of the preview too.
The preview is elements that didn't happen in the recapped episod and the staff won't mention them in their recap.
Not every episode has a preview. For this drama for example, they post them on youtube but they're not following the episode (not on the version I watch anyway). So it's not a part of the episode!
panshel
March 13, 2024 at 11:17 AM
Previews are specifically mentioned here
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 13, 2024 at 11:30 AM
I had no idea, I always thought that previews were fair game since are part of the recaped episode.
I do not mind spoilers myself but it will be helpful to know more about the spoiler policy here since it's murky outside of recaps, as indyfan stated.
bomibeans
March 13, 2024 at 1:45 PM
@panshel
This quote is a part of Itaewon Class's recap, not part of a commenting policy. I don't want to be pedantic here (or a jerk, depending on someone's view of my willingness to discuss "previews" in the comments) but it's still murky, unless "previews" are mentioned in the policy.
Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
March 13, 2024 at 3:53 PM
Like @indyfan, I've gotten slapped down - I discussed a preview in a comment on a recap thread and had it promptly edited out by staff. I've seen lots and lots of comments with references to previews edited out and replaced with the [SPOILER] text by staff - there are examples in the Alchemy of Souls threads. Possibly some recappers are more diligent than others in doing this, and maybe there are judgement calls based on just how spoilery the preview reference is. Nonetheless, it's clear from repeated DB staff action over a long period of time that previews aren't considered part of the episode being recapped and should not be discussed in recap comments. @panshel's quote from that Itaewon recap links directly to the comment policy on spoilers. It really isn't murky at all.
Previews are fair game anywhere else, like fanwalls or Open Threads. Speculation based on what happened in an episode is a different thing and is half the fun.
bomibeans
March 13, 2024 at 3:57 PM
@elinor
"I've gotten slapped down."
WOW.
panshel
March 13, 2024 at 4:07 PM
Here's a quote from Javabeans
Seoully
March 13, 2024 at 3:20 PM
Okay so after the whole comment chain, I have to know...did my comment have spoilers? I can't tell if anyone was complaining or not! :-D
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panshel
March 13, 2024 at 4:04 PM
You're good, @Seoully! No spoilers! 😊
I want to see more of In-ha too and zero of Hye-won. I won't stop watching, but since the beginning, I had assumed we were headed down that path of making In-ha the antagonist. He's definitely going to turn against Tae-oh, and I'll weep for our adorable bromance. I love Sung-joo (mostly because he's played by Lee Ji-hoon), and I don't think that he's done anything bad for us to hate him. I subscribe to the theory that Tae-oh is Chairman Kang's (other) illegitimate son, so he and Hee-joo can't be together, though I like her.
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bomibeans
March 13, 2024 at 4:05 PM
Sorry, I can't answer your question. I am a Queen of Policies (it's my profession) and it's clear to me that the Policy is NOT clear in regards to what constitutes a spoiler, in particular, "previews". (And saying something and directing a link to the policy does not constitute a policy for whatever was said.) But the consensus among Beanies is that the policy is quite clear. I personally don't see anything objectionable in your comment, but be prepared (as I should, I guess) to get "slapped down" if you make a spoiler misstep.
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