Destined With You: Episodes 7-8
by Unit
Our show reaches its halfway mark this week, with no concrete resolution as of yet in the romance department. But why focus on romance when we can have jealousy, affairs, stalkers, and black magic, right?
EPISODES 7-8
After Shin-yu’s declaration of love for Hong-jo, Jae-kyung remains unfazed and both men resume their bickering. Hong-jo is forced to tell Jae-kyung the truth about the love spell, but he doesn’t believe in spells. “Aren’t you guys old enough to tell reality and fantasy apart?” Jae-kyung chides them. And he’s right, because Shin-yu has reverted to his default “I’m in love with Hong-jo because I’m under her spell” setting. Tsk. Jae-kyung calls Shin-yu out on his use of the spell as an excuse for the interest he has always had in Hong-jo. And once again, Jae-kyung is right but I don’t like his tone.
To prove the efficacy of spells, Hong-jo uses the Fair Skin spell on herself, but there’s no difference between before and after, and that’s all the confirmation that Jae-kyung needs to disprove their theory. Since the spell theory has been proven to be false, Jae-kyung tells Shin-yu to stop messing with Hong-jo — and this time, he’s not speaking as Hong-jo’s neighbor or a colleague, he’s speaking as the man who regrets turning her down. Nevertheless, both men put their rivalry aside for a minute to inform Hong-jo that Joong-beom (a.k.a. Garden Man) has been spotted hanging around the neighborhood. Hmmm.
Now that Shin-yu no longer has the spell excuse for his feelings, he does the next best thing: seek medical opinion. The doctor tells him what he wants to hear: his feelings are a result of neural coupling — a condition where the brain hears a story, and reacts in the same patterns as the speaker’s brain. In Shin-yu’s case, this story is about the generational curse in his family and the spell book, and the speaker is the owner of the spell book (Hong-jo). Pfft. Shin-yu will really say and do anything except accept the fact that he’s genuinely in love with Hong-jo.
Meanwhile Hong-jo has gone further and tells Jae-kyung about Shin-yu’s illness. And when Shin-yu confronts her, she says she did it to protect his pride because it sounds better if he believes in spells due to his illness rather than because of love. But that’s not your call, sis. You just made Shin-yu appear even more pathetic to Jae-kyung.
Anyway, Shin-yu isn’t one to back down, and he puts Jae-kyung in his place with a “Don’t act like you’re anything to Hong-jo.” Jae-kyung replies with a “I think I might become one.” But you aren’t at the moment, so stop thinking rubbish thoughts.
Word soon travels around City Hall about Na-yeon and Shin-yu’s relationship, and Hong-jo’s colleagues take her out for sympathy drinks. Hong-jo runs into Shin-yu in her drunken state, and I lol-ed at the way Shin-yu saved her number on his phone: Civil servant (haunted house). This is exactly how I save people’s numbers!
A worried Shin-yu buys Hong-jo a hangover drink, and Hong-jo finds the gesture absurd. Why would he worry about her? Is it because he’s under a spell or because of neural coupling? What’s his excuse this time? She tells him not to confuse her any further, and then notes that he no longer calls her. “You told me not to,” Shin-yu replies, sadly. And I’d give him a comforting hug, but I’m not about to join his harem.
Na-yeon, on the other hand, has conspired with Shin-yu’s dad to fix their wedding date, and her prospective groom is the last to find out about his upcoming wedding. But Na-yeon’s happy bubble bursts when she receives several suggestive pictures of Shin-yu and Hong-jo from a burner phone. Lawyer Shin-yu is more concerned about the anonymous sender of the stalker-like photos, but all Na-yeon sees is her fiancé and her “friend” about to lock lips in the picture.
Na-yeon heads to Hong-jo’s to register her displeasure with a slap, and Hong-jo maintains that there’s nothing going on between her and Shin-yu. “Don’t get the wrong idea, it’s not that there’s nothing going on. You’re nothing,” Na-yeon retorts, and it’s her hypocrisy for me. The nerve of her to be upset about her fiancé’s affair when she’s having an affair of her own with Hyun-seo. Ha! I was kidding last week, but it looks like Hyun-seo won’t mind being the mayor’s son-in-law after all.
Na-yeon’s slap is the final straw, and Hong-jo returns the wooden box to Shin-yu. As the king of excuses, he should have come up with an excuse to his girlfriend. Why would he admit to being swayed by her? “Because it’s true,” Shin-yu replies. “You swayed me and are still swaying me.” Gah! Is it the raw honesty in his words or the pining in his eyes? This moved me more than any of his previous confessions. But I wish I could say the same thing about the subsequent kiss.
Our OTP is nowhere near having a rewarding kiss, and I’m glad that Hong-jo pulled away. It’s so hard to root for these two with Na-yeon’s shadow hanging over them. “What about you? Can you say you never wavered when you saw me?” Shin-yu asks Hong-jo. But that’s not the point, you frustrating pillar of handsomeness! For all of Shin-yu’s reluctance to push through with the wedding, I don’t see him firmly putting his foot down with his dad and Na-yeon. Instead, he’s in this emotional affair with Hong-jo, and that’s why I cannot wholeheartedly support their romance.
The wooden box goes back to shaman Eun-wol, and she tells Shin-yu that the only way to properly end things is to bury the box in the exact place it was found. Cue: our OTP on a hiking trip to the demolished haunted shrine. Hong-jo trips and loses her hold on the box, and it breaks to reveal a secret compartment where a black magic spell book is hidden. Alone in the mountains with a book of black magic? This is the part where I’d have abandoned the mission and ran for my dear life. But our OTP carries on to the ruins of the shrine.
Like in every good horror movie, an eerie sound comes first. Next, they see a straw doll wearing the pajamas that were stolen from Hong-jo’s house last week — and there’s a paper with Shin-yu’s name on it nailed to the chest area. (Are those bloody letters?) Damn! Garden Man, is that you? Have you graduated from stalking them to cursing with black magic now?
Garden Man is also our OTP’s number one suspect because he’s no longer trying to hide his creepiness. After unnecessary skinship, Hong-jo had to report him to Eun-young, and as City Hall’s legal representative, Shin-yu paid a warning visit to the man’s greenhouse. But it looks like someone didn’t get the memo to back off, and things have taken a more serious turn.
As a result of the unexpected events on the mountain, the wooden box lives to see another day in the sun. Shin-yu equips Hong-jo with pepper spray and a stun gun, and nags about the poor security of her house. He even tries to get permission from Jae-kyung to install a CCTV in front of the house, but Jae-kyung insists on taking charge of the installation. *Rolls eyes* It’s not the time to flex overly protective muscles, bro. Your neighbor is in danger for goodness sake!
In the meantime, Shin-yu and Hong-jo follow the How to Lure Out Your Stalker manual: they go on a fake date — the dress up, fancy lunch, and spending the whole day together type of date. Cute. At the end of a fun day, Shin-yu confesses that he doesn’t want to believe in temporary feelings, but he can’t control himself when he looks at Hong-jo. In reply, Hong-jo says she doesn’t want to steal someone else’s boyfriend. “Let’s just stay as colleagues. Let’s not get any closer.” Honey, y’all are way past that point, but okay. For what it’s worth, it’s another full moon.
Their stalker doesn’t show up on the date, but Shin-yu visits Garden Man’s greenhouse anyway, and he sees some straw scattered on the floor. By the way, the fearlessness of K-drama male leads should be studied, because why is Shin-yu visiting a suspicious man’s place at night to interrogate him without backup? Garden Man shows up looking more menacing than ever with his garden shears, and next thing you know, Shin-yu is on sick leave. What the hell happened to him?
The Park Maintenance Team prepares for an upcoming festival, and of all times to check out the location, Hong-jo chooses to go at night. The lights suddenly go out, and an unknown number calls her phone. A hooded shadowy figure trails after her as she hastily makes to leave, and as the shadow grows closer, ominous music plays… sigh. I have no words. I absolutely refuse to be worried about an OTP that has zero regard for their safety! *Panics*
While our main romance is yet to have a breakthrough, romance is blooming for our side characters and new relationships are being formed. Mr. Gong has an upcoming blind date, but for some reason, Eun-young is not as enthusiastic about it. Jae-kyung has been more upfront about his intentions towards Hong-jo, but his dead jokes have already sunk that ship.
Finally, there’s the iffy case of Shin-yu’s mom and his best friend KIM WOOK (Lee Tae-ri). First, Wook was Mom’s almost-divorce lawyer, and now they’re stargazing together? That whole “I’m full of love, but there’s nobody to receive my love” and “I want to receive lots of love, but nobody gives it to me,” exchange made me feel super uncomfortable, but I want to trust that the show won’t go beyond a mom-son relationship when it comes to them. Because if I see one more affair in this drama, I will riot.
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1 Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 3:01 PM
I'm enjoying this drama so very much. Perhaps too much. Magical love-drug spells and potions don't bug me, nor do two-timing/cheating situations. I truly get why they bother others, they just don't bother me to see on screen. For me, this drama is about what it means to "be swayed" in the context of a pretty-low-stakes forbidden love.
Here's my issue, though. I've started to really care for Hong-jo, and when I start really caring for the FL (*cough* HeartBeat *cough*), I know that I'm in (too) deep. Yes, that's right, this show now has the delightful opportunity to punch me in the gut as bad as HB did. I'm invested.
Now that it’s got me where it wants me, I have some questions for the show:
1. Where'd the Red Hand go, and when will it be back? It will be very disappointing if it doesn't come back, but I bet it will, what with the past life stuff coming.
2. Tell me more about Jae-Kyung's crappy relationship with his father. Do we already know his father?? Are he and Shin-yu half-brothers or something? That'd be creepy and wonderful. I doubt it, but still.
3. Does Na-yeon actually care for that chaebol jerk? If so, why? If not, what is she trying to work out by keeping him? The show still has a shot at not making her a caricature. I'd like to see it do so.
4. I do wish to know what forces are keeping Shin-yu from breaking it off (again) with Na-yeon. I'm assuming they center around his father--which would make a nice parallel, perhaps to Jae-kyung's situation if they ever delve into it--but whatever it is, I bet all of us would like to know more about why Shin-yu is behaving like he needs to stay committed to her (so far as he is).
PS: When Jae-kyung laughed so adorably at his own "I'm disappointed my magic spell/poem didn't actually turn you into a flower" joke, well, let's just say it confirmed my suspicion that this show has my whole heart. It melted an unsympathetic me like it melted an unsympathetic Hong-jo.
PPS: I'm also not sure who broke character more, Rowoon in the scene with that dog last week, or Ha Joon in the scenes this week at “FL/2ML House” (in the garden and then in Hong-jo's apartment—kicking that stool away from Rowoon, ha!). Both of them seemed to be unable to stop themselves from cracking up, and I loved every minute of it.
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jerrykuvira
September 15, 2023 at 4:37 PM
Your PPS = comedy gold. I had so much fun and laughter watching them both outdo themselves or get under each other's skin in the scene that preceded the PPS.
Kicking that stool has to be it cause that one where one of them which happens to be Ha Joon is winning two in a row. That's was so unfair to Sin-yu.
It is really cool that they're enjoying themselves.
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Enigmah
September 15, 2023 at 4:40 PM
Ikr…I watched them both smiling, but I felt Dog scene kinda lesser distraction than Hajoo’s one…again I thought it was only visible for me since I am watching the same eps for 3rd or 4th time..
The two timing of ML in this scenario where super natural elements or scientific reason doesn’t bother me too..dramas will be boring if things need to be politically correct even when fantasy is involved…
I am glad to see someone on same page as me!
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 5:07 PM
Oh, I don’t even know what “politically correct” means. Two-timing simply doesn’t bug me. It bothers plenty of other people, though, as clear from below! It’s also just cause for divorce in many societies…as we might be seeing directly in Shin-yu’s parents’ arc.
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Enigmah
September 15, 2023 at 5:25 PM
Two timing triggers me a lot, but this supernatural spell stuff everyone is vulnerable so I am not fan of hasty decision because things of control, so glad they are taking their own sweet time to figure out stuff.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 4:30 AM
Something can be shitty without it having anything to do with Political Correctness, neither pro nor contra.
And as a person who sometimes have a really hard time tangling myself out of expectations I cannot fulfill, I see Shin-yu as a victim in that relationship, not the perpetrator.
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Enigmah
September 16, 2023 at 5:08 AM
Agree, he is victim aswell…so that is the reason I give a pass in his two timing as he is struggling and also he is aware that he is mess!
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 4:32 AM
Actually, the beautiful gif Seonha made ... Shin-yu being dragged up the hill - would be a perfect picture for how actively he is persuing a relationship he already ended. He just don't have the energy to end it *again*, and make everybody angry, when there isn't a single person cheering him on.
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Seon-ha
September 16, 2023 at 4:56 AM
What a sensitive and amazingly generous insight, Cecilie. It can be super easy, especially in the context of (so-called) light and breezy rom-coms to expect all of the characters—especially the men—to be their best all the time. In this case, Shin-yu should not only be able to know exactly what his societal obligations are, but act on them properly with little or no failure because of reticence or doubt.
I’m with you, though. His mess is pretty glorious. OOH, what if it happens that he and Jae-kyung have their own “enemies-to-lovers” thing and become friends by the end of this. I’d love that too.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 5:08 AM
To me, his mess is obvious. It's sad and also ... Honestly, though his fine features are not my style of "attractive", his mess is sexy.
As for Jae-Kyung, ... I find his lack of humour funny and kind of adorable, too, but apart from that, I am appalled at what a terrible person he is. I wrote up a whole thing about it but I am not sure where the right place to put it is.
But in short, he was amazingly terrible towards Hong-jo when they first talked. He lies to her. He is not attracted to her. And he is probably ungenerous
Seon-ha
September 16, 2023 at 5:11 AM
FAN WALL. I wanna read. I’ll have Jae-kyung gifs today too :)
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 5:40 AM
I have written a bit here and there about Jae-kyung, but I will gather my skirts and make something fan-wall-ish. I will just finish my rewatch first.
@attiton
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 18, 2023 at 2:36 AM
I wrote the Jae-kyung thing I promised. It ended up being in three parts.
It's here:
https://www.dramabeans.com/members/CecilieDK/activity/1456003/
vienibenmio
September 15, 2023 at 6:23 PM
I totally agree. I know that I should care that he's technically cheating, but, like... I don't.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 5:02 AM
Because it's only technically. He has broken up. He has not said "yes" to marrying her. He gave her a hug, and he should have been clearer, but I think he was just kind of comforting her, and also himself too a bit, in his unhappiness. He is not into her, and she is not into her, though sometimes she seems convincingly so. She is lying, cheating, and scheming, and she is planning the marriage without even bringing him into it ... how should we feel bad about him not living up to that Ken Doll Case she and their families have ready for him?
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Seon-ha
September 16, 2023 at 5:09 AM
I hear you, Cecilie. I really do. But even if he’s not agreed verbally, he doesn’t contradict her in public when she calls him her fiancé and also, he tacitly agrees, at least, that there IS a wedding date when alone with his family. That is, he wonders why he was not consulted on timing…he doesn’t push back that he wasn’t consulted on its existence.
I agree he doesn’t want to do it AT ALL and has not agreed in his heart, but he’s not externally made that happen at all—and that’s pretty cowardly at this point, I agree, even if that cowardice comes from his sense of family responsibility.
We’re discussing below how this sort of behavior makes “more” sense in the Joseon context, but when transposed to the 21st century…it doesn’t work at all. I’d like to think that this is something that the writers are playing with rather than something sloppy—but either way it’s been fun to think about.
What DOES responsibility to your family in marriage look like in 2023? What does it mean to follow the romantic ideal of “love first” in 2023 when you are also stuck in old-fashioned obligations?
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 5:55 AM
I don't know how Real Life is on this point, but if any K-dramas is something to go by, marriage between rich people have near-Joseon standards. The general practice of blind dates also in lower classes (like, middle class) and of parents being *very* engaged in the process, leaves me with a feeling that it is not *very* easy to break out of.
In his case, I am not so much thinking about family *duty*, as much as that it takes a lot of emotional energy to break up (even for us normal ones) and he already did, and is being ignored. Most of the times, he seems something like depressed - i.e. with hardly the energy to walk.
Hong-jo has - untill her last protest here, after the kiss - continually told him she did not want him. So he has been told that if he correctly and valiantly goes against his energetic cheating girlfriend and both their families, he will be left with ... no one. No one will be waiting at the finish line, but everybody will be angry.
It's a new developement that Hong-jo has said that if it weren't for SFL, ... but even then she said that she didn't want to be the homewrecker. Still, I think it will make a different, ... when he has escaped his present kidnapper, as I suppose?
It will make even more difference if they happen at some point to compare notes and see that SFL is neither anyone's best friends, nor fiancé.
Seon-ha
September 16, 2023 at 6:04 AM
Again with your amazing interpretations, @cecilieDK. This is such an apt justification for why he keeps asking her if she cares for him—it looks cowardly (and, in part, it is), but he has a lot on the line here, if he really is as committed as we might be led to believe about his family obligations.
Being left alone is a frightening thing indeed.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 6:32 AM
Also
I once visited a friend who had his to boys, aged toddler and pre-school , with him, and they decided to play indians, and I was tied to the totem chair, while they danced around me. I would like to make the kids happy, but I was feeling strangely under the weather. Turned out, I was having a fever. Their dad finally freed me.
But ehm, this story is a bit about being Shin-yu in this whole engagement business. There needs to be a real reason for him to break out and make his girlfriend "sad", as she had managed to make everybody believe, and everybody else mad. And he is dead-tired to begin with. And he thinks he is probably, maybe, going to die soon anyway. Remember that. He doesn't know if he is actually freed from that terminal disease. My allegory even have overwhelming and long-lasting infatuation and sleepless, tear-filled nights in it, but let's keep that in the margins.
ar_arguably romantic
September 16, 2023 at 8:50 AM
That is what bugs me. I think Shin-yu is not well-characterized enough to make his behavior understandable. I never felt like he was under his parents' thumb and constant nagging. His mom seems like she would be in his corner if he decides to break it off with Nayeon. He isn't under any sort of pressure from guilt. Like did Nayeon pay for his law degree or something? He's a successful lawyer who would rather quit a highpaying law firm position than bow down to an unprincipled client.
Not the best example, but in The Real has Come, the ML intended to go through with the arranged wedding due to feeling like going through with it would make it easier for his mom who had raised him for 15+ years as a single mom until she married into this stuffy family that distains him. He was used to being bullied.
🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 16, 2023 at 12:00 PM
@asianromance
@asianromance
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"Shin-yu is not well-characterized enough to make his behavior understandable".
Absolute perfection 👌 the way you have cut through the clutter and pinpointed the exact issue bothering us.
The Real Has Come! example is also spot on. A well qualified, professional, independent doctor - we are able to perfectly understand his motivations and intentions for going along with the arranged marriage plans.
Jang Shin-yu - as a K-drama ML has been inexplicably opaque in his motivations and intentions. We actually are never shown why he works in a certain manner - inner workings of a lead being non-existent (for now) is mind-boggling.
We are not provided with any hints or interactions which let us know:
- how he got (or let himself be) attracted to Hong-jo,
- why did he interrupt Hong-jo and SFL in their initial conversation where SFL was (fake) apologizing and make rude remarks to Hong-jo,
- why he keeps asking her if she's swayed,
- why he's not breaking up with SFL,
- is he now "cured" or believes himself to be so,
- if he believes that spells don't work, he's still ill and may die young, why has he agreed to the arranged marriage and why is he pursuing (is he) Hong-jo.
Perhaps all will be revealed but there do not seem to be even breadcrumbs suggesting any hidden inner motivation.
This lack of inner dialogue makes it very difficult to relate to any character and is probably fatal for a lead.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 18, 2023 at 2:54 AM
@asianromance About being sufficiently well-characterized to make Shin-yu's behaviour understandable.
What I am trying to demonstrate is not my huge potential for understanding people who cheat, or anything like that.
To me, his inaction feels immediately recognizable, and even if I would love to know more about what made him see ice in a glass and a bloody hand crawling up his chin, for example, I don't need that to fully understand that he, in his hopelessness does not act to stop the relationship and the wedding plans, as he ought to.
I know the feeling of being ill and not have the power to protest. I know the feeling of having tried to protest and being overheard (as in: ignored) and just "... phew ... What now? Nothing matters, nothing I do works out, anyway. No one listens."
And if at least Hong-jo said: "Break up with her, and I'll be there for you." But she doesn't. So he is being what he hate, even if he tried to break up. And as I said before, 2FL is vigorously interpreting him as well as Hong-jo; Without apologizing for bullying Hong-jo so that she had to leave school, she says she is sorry about her dad. And when Hong-jo says: "I was very upset, but mu dad didn't die because of you", 2FL interprets it as Hong-jo having forgiven her, and presents her as her "best friend in High School" (or college or what is was).
When Hong-jo hands her a napkin for tears that aren't really there, she promptly declares to Shin-yu: "She made me cry!"
Like wise every gesture from Shin-yu and, we can imagine, anyone else in her life, is twisted and interpreted in her favour, and Shin-yu, too, is coaxed from having been kind to be her fiancé.
She is fly paper, she is quicksand.
And Shin-yu has nothing and no one to help him get out.
pumpkinattack
September 16, 2023 at 12:07 PM
Yeah, I think, also, that we're supposed to be okay with it because his fiancée is also cheating...on a different level. I know this is subjective.
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
September 16, 2023 at 8:06 PM
Ya know, I think I’m enjoying this because I’m not terribly invested in it. I don’t much care about the two-timing for somewhat contradictory reasons: real life is messy, so dramas get to be, too. It’s just a drama, not real life. It’s a drama, so there will be some (probably nonsensical) justification why it’s not really two-timing or it doesn’t count. The drama identifies it as two-timing and doesn’t pretend it’s not happening. (I still suspect she's blackmailing him.)
It all comes back to it being a show I can’t and don’t take seriously. There are parts I really enjoy: the OTP alternately snarking and gazing moonily at each other, the clownshow rivalry between the MLs, the shaman, the backstory hints, the SML’s deadpan jokes, the clothes because I’m shallow like that. There are parts I just sit through: SFL, stalker, parents, coworkers, mayor. Overall, it’s entertaining enough for this moment, for me, and the beanie commentary is inspired, which counts for a lot.
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Seon-ha
September 16, 2023 at 8:21 PM
Wait, what, you’re enjoying it? For like all the reasons I do?
Squee. Just squee.
You get more gifs.
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 2:37 AM
Yes please!!
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 4:14 AM
👏👏👏👏👏
I think you just saved my life!
“I think I’m enjoying this because I’m not terribly invested in it.”
2 mins into episode 8 when it was confirmed the he didn’t break up I was screaming at Jang Shin-yu along with @enriquequierecagar
I was able to calm down only thanks to @attiton and her carefully curated gifs.
Then I remembered what our meditation teacher told us - you don’t have to agree with all the teachings just take what serves you well for now.
These days where all K-dramas are - in the words of @lordcobol - “Trying to out-Heartbeat Heartbeat”, the only way to still be able to enjoy K-dramas is to enjoy what you like, otp, clothes, scenery, tropes and ffwd or ignore the rest.
The Beanies comments are 🔥 and are always up for writing a better drama!
Thank you all for your inspired comments, insights and analysis. I will be firm in my one and only resolve to watch K-dramas for FUN!!
👍
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Seon-ha
September 17, 2023 at 4:23 AM
Yes, yes, zen, yes, zen. I’m emotionally invested in DWY like dukkha is going out of style.
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 4:33 AM
That really made me laugh out loud ... and made my co-passengers try to take a peek of my screen!!
vienibenmio
September 18, 2023 at 6:38 AM
I'm enjoying it a lot too, and I agree with what you said. I don't watch dramas for morality lessons, lol.
She HAS to be blackmailing him, right?
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2 Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
September 15, 2023 at 3:20 PM
@unit Thanks for the perfect guide to how to enjoy this drama. I am following your playbook here and watching while continuously telling the characters what not to do and what they should be doing instead.
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 3:48 PM
So, not gonna join the harem like @unit says?
Unit, this really made me laugh, ‘cause this stance of yours is simply polite. This self-knowledge is gonna leave room for all the other people who would gladly join! 🤣
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Unit
September 16, 2023 at 3:44 AM
I'll be cheering y'all on from the outside. 😄
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RenOIshi
September 15, 2023 at 6:11 PM
Oh I patronise them all the time! ‘Just break up already’ ‘turn the freaking torch on’ ‘what are you doing?’ ‘Don’t touch her you creep!’
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3 Blue (@mayhemf)
September 15, 2023 at 3:22 PM
Never thought an episode 8 kiss will make me drop a drama. This is it for me.
The drama plot is meandering and so far I have no idea about what to make of the spells and curses. Did he get cured of red hand, if so, why are they doubting the spells. It’s almost like everyone forgot about red hand, writers included. Characters are not likable and are inconsistent. The whole 2FL affair was just terrible writing.
I am ok with messy situations and even flawed leads but atleast give us something in the plot to make us continue. The show had a chance to undo the spell and make Shin Yu realize his love for Hong Jo and suffer. There is nothing wrong in a male lead falling in love with another woman or realizing what love is. It’s how he handles it that matters. In this show he is not suffering but just two timing or unwilling to break up unless he is sure Hong Jo has feelings.
Also, better written second leads and side characters could have elevated this show. The 2ML is boring and entitled who won’t ask the FL out but will act like her boyfriend. The 2FL for random reason is sleeping with someone. The office ladies are caricatures.
It doesn’t help we have this random parentless boy appearing out of nowhere every few episodes. It’s good and funny in parts but the moment I hit the stop button, it’s all forgotten.
My only take away these episodes was that Ro-woon has pretty fingers.
Until the next rom com.
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
September 15, 2023 at 3:51 PM
I actually like that Jae-gyeong is such a plodder - his dead flat delivery amuses me - but agree that the two-faced yet one-note SFL and her sister Furies at the office are seriously disappointing. Park Kyung-hye could play that character in her sleep. It's lazy writing; the writer obviously couldn't be bothered to create even minimally original or differentiated secondary characters so she just pulled some ready-made ones off the shelf. The kid was OK as pint-sized Greek chorus but I cringed when they introduced the icky (and equally unoriginal) childhood-romance talk.
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 3:56 PM
I know! @mayhemf and @elinor isn’t all of this just amazing??? I mean, if the writer isn’t going to try to be original, MAYBE THE ENDING WILL NOT CRASH AND BURN. 😉
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
September 15, 2023 at 4:05 PM
LOL, experience has beaten us down so hard that our expectations are pitiful, broken little things. 😂
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 16, 2023 at 1:10 AM
🙌
All hail the master of expression.
This is exactly how we feel but are unable to verbalise.
Blue (@mayhemf)
September 15, 2023 at 5:00 PM
I would have liked Jae-gyeong if he wasn’t part of the love triangle. He is funny by himself pelting out dad jokes.
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Cay_sbtgoG
September 15, 2023 at 5:18 PM
Seonding you on Jae Kyeong. If not for his intiall response followed by his overbearing attitude, I would've like him more.
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pumpkinattack
September 16, 2023 at 12:09 PM
I agree! It would be great if he were just a friend like in Dal Ja's Spring.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 5:28 AM
Saw that Jae-kyung was recapped in episode 2 as having “politely but firmly” turned her down. Saw that. Politely My Behind! If someone blushes in front of you, it is not polite to ask why, unless you hope to be the reason or you are a close friend. If they say they only do that in front of people they like and “This maybe sounded like a love confession”, and you are NOT interested, you politely but firmly say that of course you understand that wasn’t what was meant, that some people blush easily, and it is nice to have people at the workplace whom you feel at ease with, but by the way, it’s getting late, and see you sometime around.
You do not ask them to confirm that it was a declaration of love, and the say “I like you, too” before rejecting them. Only mean people do that! He is not a nice person. I had forgotten exactly how terrible that scene was, but rewatching it (it’s because of @attition she started it!) I was just aghast at all the opportunities he had for avoiding putting her in an awkward(-er) situation, and instead led her on, like an eel’s ruse (the eels can get easily in and difficultly out, and for every attempt to escape, they are more caught).
@cayong03
Furthermore, I suspect him of only being interested in Hong-jo because the secretary said he ought to be. Several things seem to point at him not being into women at all, starting of course with his total lack of sexual tension towards ... anything, but also implied in the food, that Hong-jo kept smelling oyster and eggplant in, while he insisted there was only eggplant. Nudge, nudge.
He said he lived alone for two years, but he arrived while having an argument with presumably someone he had just left, "The deposit is my last gift for you!".
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 16, 2023 at 7:18 AM
I like where this rabbit hole is going ... but shall I follow ...
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Kafiyah Bello
September 15, 2023 at 3:57 PM
I miss the hand, it was the most interesting part of the pilot.
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 4:04 PM
Oh, I bet you money that it’l be back. The question I have to add to this is—will its justification be lame or not?
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redfox
September 16, 2023 at 2:59 PM
if I had to rehash the drama then
the hand is actually the hand of an editor who found some raw footage that doesn= t make sense and at first puts together a stereotypical romance fantasy and we see it on @this side@ of the fourth wall looking puzzled and trying to ask advice. then it tries a suspense thriller but the dark park makes it realise the footage belongs to a sci fi and the park plan is actually a map and a sign and then aliens some and kidnap everyonebut wait, the hand finds more footage, so maybe this is not it_ but what to do they are already in a different solar system! oh no! and this with the annoying fiance left behind who tries to treat the hand as a chihuahua. then aliens bring Shin Ju back cause he started kissing them and the captain had a mental breakdown, and Hong Jo turned the control panel into a topiary sculpture so the ship is stranded on moon, which is why there was so much about the full moon.
the hand get a mental breakdown and quits, but the notes, spellbook and storyboard end up in the national museum where the hands greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgrandchild wipes dust from the glass.
the aliens are still on the moon.
the end.
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DancingEmma
September 15, 2023 at 4:03 PM
Exactly. Who is this child? Is he a tiny little God (probably not as he enjoyed that Subway sandwich a bit too much)? I bet his last name is Shin.
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 4:18 PM
Lessee! It would appear that his name is Oh U-ram and he seems to have some relationship to someone at Onju City Hall? I mean good to know? Maybe that’ll become clear one day!
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
September 15, 2023 at 4:29 PM
Hmmm, more Goblin references are becoming visible through the fog: Shin, Subway, youthful god ... I'm sure that kid will show up if we ever make it back to Joseon.
Does anyone know what the name Shin-yu means?
Oh yeah, the poem is "The Flower" by Kim Chun-soo.
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DancingEmma
September 15, 2023 at 4:47 PM
It would depend on how it is spelt in the Hanja letters as I understand but without that info and individually ‘shin’ means faith (as well as god) and what sounds like ‘u’ could also be ‘yoo’ has been mentioned to mean friend or courage. Of course, the combo might mean something else entirely.
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DancingEmma
September 15, 2023 at 5:10 PM
I should have said “Hanja characters’!
Kurama
September 16, 2023 at 1:28 AM
As I don't know nothing about Korean characters, I remember just when they were asked about that, Jo Boa answered Big for Shin-Yu and redness for her face for Hong-Ju. But in the episode, she said big (hong) and morning (Jo). Maybe the writer chose name with double sense :p
DancingEmma
September 16, 2023 at 2:03 AM
@kurama: Interesting.
Hanja characters are the Chinese ones and since the majority of the contemporary Korean names are of Chinese origin, parents register the names using Hanja and then write them in Korean. My Korean teacher said that a minority of pure Korean names are also in use such the unisex name Haneul which means sky.
DancingEmma
September 15, 2023 at 5:06 PM
It would be interesting if his name means “the courage (to have) faith”. In this context, that he could free himself from the bonds of illness and the ennui that he has felt by maintaining faith (but in what is the Qn?).
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mindy
September 15, 2023 at 4:57 PM
Perfectly said, Blue!
I’m not super into romance so I usually don’t have much to say one way or the other after kisses other than “that was nice!”, but I don’t think I’ve ever been so put off by a main couple kiss before in a show like this. It was so NOT romantic! Am I still supposed to root for them?
Like, I can understand that happening in a show that is less of a traditional romcom and more on the melodrama side, but this is such a tropey supernatural romcom drama and this whole cheating storyline is not something most people are signing up for when they click play. I am one of those people.
I dunno. If you’re gonna have one of your leads technically two-timing, at least let the character have the decency to not KISS someone before they’ve actually officially broken it off with their SO. It’s disrespectful to both parties. Sure, Na-yeon is also a cheater, but he doesn’t know that, and Hong-jo definitely doesn’t deserve this. They got me shipping her more with the second male lead after that despite how annoying he has been as well, lol.
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RenOIshi
September 15, 2023 at 6:13 PM
You and I think alike. I haven’t dropped it though. I am hoping it will go back to the enjoyable fun ride we all enjoyed a few episodes ago!
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 16, 2023 at 7:10 AM
I decided that I will use my time wisely and catch up on Moving.
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4 Jezz
September 15, 2023 at 3:26 PM
@Unit, why didn't put the word cliffhanger? I was not afraid that Destined with You might turned into unexpected genre horror soon after this cliffhanger (and that ends of first half). Also, for the second half (eps 9-16), I need the sageuk scenes, I don't want to have a disappoint ending and I need to stop preempting/not airing this Kdrama for the Chuseok period, show!
As for TV ratings, I saw the ratings on this Kdrama's Wikipedia page that it was a highest rating (2.9%) for episode 8 and I prayed for 3% and above... promise me.
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5 Kafiyah Bello
September 15, 2023 at 3:55 PM
So I came back, my fellows beanies wore me down. I am still not sure why he likes her. They haven't fully explained it, but I am a FULL on sucker for a ML saying he is swayed. There is something about this phrasing that gets me all in, so I am rooting for the OTP. That being said I love 2ML, I find him insanely delightful. He is so earnest in his bad jokes, so it fully endears me to him. Now I also don't understand why Na Yeon isn't just with the weirdo Chaebol psycho out in the open. What does it accomplish to just have him for sexy times. Maybe the show will answer that, but it seems unlikely. SIGH.
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 3:59 PM
YAY! But also boo. Sad that you felt “worn down!!” I am with you on all of the points that have drawn you back into the drama…”swaying” and the dorky 2ML…
I really would like Na-yeon to get more of a full-on character, although I don’t hold out much hope. I know plenty of women who behave like she’s behaving, but wouldn’t it be nice to know some motivation for it and what she’s hoping to get out of it (and probably is NOT getting out of it)…
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Kafiyah Bello
September 16, 2023 at 4:47 AM
"worn down" isn't a bad thing, if I really hated the drama nothing would have brought me back. As for Na Yeon, the only way to justify his two timing is to make her worse. So putting her very very familiarly with psycho slimeball chaebol is the only way. I don't except any dimension, lol.
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Seon-ha
September 16, 2023 at 5:15 AM
Could I wear you down to hope for some? Maybe your karma’s better than mine and you can sway the Zen flow in the direction of giving this 2ML some motivation in her drive to live her best life?
Pleeze? 제발?
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Kafiyah Bello
September 16, 2023 at 5:26 PM
Lol, I hope they show some dimension for you, but honestly I'm not hopeful, but Heartbeat has given me doubt for my predictions.
Seon-ha
September 17, 2023 at 4:32 AM
@kafiyah-bello To this I say, https://imgur.io/rONTeTu
(Safe to click, I promise)
Kafiyah Bello
September 17, 2023 at 9:06 AM
@attiton, sending hugs, love, and luck. lol
indyfan
September 15, 2023 at 7:38 PM
Yes! When he said “swayed” it was so poetic. I’m a sucker for a good word. And I forgave his inconstant heart… Oof, I did it again. It’s his cheating, two-timing heart. Break that spell Indy… Nope, he’s got me. I’m swayed.
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mom2kidsdog
September 16, 2023 at 9:15 AM
"Now I also don't understand why Na Yeon isn't just with the weirdo Chaebol psycho out in the open. What does it accomplish to just have him for sexy times. Maybe the show will answer that, but it seems unlikely."
There's something going on btw Haum chaebol-bad guy (forgot his name), the Mayor, and Mayor's daughter, NaYeon. I recall in prior episode Mayor had SinYu come in to meeting with Haum chaebol, and thereafter, SinYu indicates to secretary that Haum will pay 3.8billion won to compensate for use of road (?) in exchange for development rights. NaYeon is somehow in on the dirty dealings with Mayor I think.
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ar_arguably romantic
September 16, 2023 at 9:15 AM
I find the 2ML delightful too! I also don't get why Na-yeon just doesn't go out with the rich ceo guy, since his wealth and social status is probably higher than Shin-yu's. It actually makes more sense to me to be openly dating the CEO and having a handsome city lawyer as the sex buddy.
I usually find "swayed" a bit romantic, but here I find it the opposite since Shin-yu's still dating Nayeon and he's reluctant to like Hong-jo..so it almost feels like he's implying Hong-jo is some sort of seductress, using witchy powers to lure him into cheating - even though the Fair Skin spell failing implies that the love spell didn't work.
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Kafiyah Bello
September 16, 2023 at 11:26 AM
I guess I don't really see it as two timing her. Not only because she has clearly been cheating on him from the beginning, but because he broke up with her and then his parents insisted they were getting married. So I get your reticence since he hasn't objected per se to the marriage, but it is obvious he doesn't want to marry her.
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6 DancingEmma
September 15, 2023 at 3:59 PM
I don’t like 2M1F love triangles as it seems that inevitably they devolve into a dick measuring contest. Here it has been slowly but surely occurring and consequentially Hongjo’s agency has been undermined in a number of ways. I would tolerate it if the writing was better and wasn’t so sloppy. Drama, stick to your strength which is the pay-dirt you’ve struck: The inexplicably great chemistry between Hongjo and Shinyu. Almost everything else is bad to mediocre except Jaekyung’s occasional self-consciously delivered jokes.
One more thing: Hongjo, seriously uncool to violate the privacy of Shinyu by revealing his illness. Not on.
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 4:12 PM
So messy. So, so messy.
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DancingEmma
September 15, 2023 at 4:20 PM
Yeah. Bad mess sucks and good mess could enliven a mediocre story. Here we have a bad mess which is edging ever closer to upending the passionate chaos our 2 leads are navigating.
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 4:22 PM
I love the mess. I love how bad it is. I love how this show actually has me feeling like I feel when I, personally, am in a mess—but here, it’s not actually my mess(!), so I can just swim in it, seeing how it works out for someone else (not ME) this time 🙃
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DancingEmma
September 15, 2023 at 4:27 PM
I get it but a bad mess is psychologically destabilising both in RL and here so I wish you a good mess if you have to encounter one again. Here, the bad mess is threatening to undermine my enjoyment of the chemistry which is the only reason I am sticking with this.
Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 4:29 PM
Oh @dncingemma it’s always a mess Chez Seon-ha.
jerrykuvira
September 15, 2023 at 4:53 PM
I wasn't really as pissed at Hong-joo at the reveal as the rest of you beanies. But what's pissing me off in it is that I don't know what she told him that warranted Jae-kyung calling Sin-yu something along the lines of desperate and hiding behind an illness. The guy was truly ill and it seemed the disease cure spell worked. I was expecting to see Jae-kyung to once again put aside his tussle with Sin-yu and inquire about his welfare. You know, as colleagues. Also, the obvious more than colleagues inquiry.
Jae-kyung's words has me wondering what the hell Hong-joo said as an excuse for Sin-yu's actions, more than being totally pissed at her violating his privacy. I hope it's Jae-kyung speaking independent of himself cause if it's as a result of Hong-joo's explanation, that is her rubbing salt to his violation.
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 5:01 PM
I wasn’t upset when she did that at all, because when she started saying it, I thought, “She’s trying to get in good with Jae-kyung…this tactic will work.” Those were just her priorities. Shin-yu hadn’t really given her reason to stay “loyal” to his secrets, now, had he? Then, she had a CYA moment when he called her on it—and look, in the end, no one ended up too mad about it.
Love is a dog-eat-dog world in DWY! White magic, black magic! Male egos. Women looking out after their own needs (in some cases “well enough” [Na-yeon, especially, perhaps] in other cases to a “meets-minimum” standard…)
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ar_arguably romantic
September 16, 2023 at 9:34 AM
I agree that she had no reason to stay loyal to his secrets. I think she was trying to defend Shin-yu when she revealed his illness. Jae-kyung was questioning why the man who has everything would believe in dumb stuff like spells. An implication that Shin-yu's some shallow, rich dude who plays around. So Hong-jo is explaining that Shin-yu isn't like that at all and his belief in the magic spell comes from needing to resolve an all too real illness.
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RenOIshi
September 15, 2023 at 6:17 PM
I hated that breach of trust. She had no right to reveal his illness to the 2ML. I understand why she told the 2FL though.
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DancingEmma
September 15, 2023 at 6:23 PM
Did she tell the 2FL about his illness too? I blanked that!
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RenOIshi
September 15, 2023 at 7:26 PM
Yes after the slap and kiss incident. The next day.
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DancingEmma
September 15, 2023 at 7:36 PM
Yikes. I completely missed that.
Kurama
September 16, 2023 at 3:00 AM
The 2FL was told by his father. She told him she knew about it when she asked him to marry her.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 17, 2023 at 4:45 PM
I didn't like it either, but TBF I saw it as her trying to defend him. SML was all "He has everything", and she was like "You don't know about the depth of his suffering. He is a real person with real feelings."
(Even if some of them are really hard for him to admit, we can easily agree).
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 4:44 AM
About Jae-kyung ...
Remember the "Housewarming Party for Two"? He had been advised by secretary to date Hong-jo.
She said it smelled like eggplants and oyster. He kept insisting there was no oyster. What I'm thinking is ... Is he like, using her as a beard?
Also, he practically described the condo he had lived in as a closet, seeing nothing but the blinds for years, while he lived there. And that he wanted a garden. He also said he lived alone for a long time, but when Hong-jo first saw him at her house, he was arguing with someone on the phone that the deposit for the apartment was his last gift for them. Did he leave a lover behind, suddenly?
(And then they sat down to watch the garden wall and the rain).
And while I am most inclined to consider the Evil Garden Man as the "Flower" to be prevented in the "accidental" (destined) disaster spell, I *could* be the flower interested 2ML?
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DancingEmma
September 16, 2023 at 4:59 AM
It’s interesting that you wrote this as you’ve collated some interesting points! On the other hand, without much justification, I’ve started harbouring some misgivings about the 2ML like how did he end up being the downstairs tenant in a big city like Seoul? ‘’Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine” kind of a disbelief.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 5:11 AM
The secretary had said he should date Hong-jo. So maybe he thought that was a good idea.
He also could be interested in someone else frequenting that place, just saying.
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ar_arguably romantic
September 16, 2023 at 9:39 AM
Just like how there is always just one coffee shop in all of kdramaland Seoul that everyone goes to!
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panshel
September 16, 2023 at 12:23 PM
He cooked oyster sauce eggplant. She smelled oyster because the sauce is made from oyster, but there was no actual oyster in the dish.
He was arguing with his father on the phone. Netflix didn't translate it, but he said, "That was my final present for you, abeoji." His father is a grifter.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 12:40 PM
So the
"There's oyster and eggplant"
"No, there is ONLY eggplant" (repeat ad nauseam)
-dialogue was simply and only a discussion of ingredients and not like, a metaphor or anything? Sure! 😉
Interesting about his father.
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panshel
September 16, 2023 at 3:54 PM
My only takeaway from that scene is our heroine is dumb. He corrected her once already, yet she made the same mistake again.
There has been no indication that Jae-kyung is gay. On the contrary, I believe that he has liked Hong-jo ever since he posted a compliment for her. He was just pushing her away due to his dysfunctional family. He told her as much when he rejected her, "I'm very cold to my family... If I weren't who I was, when you confessed your feelings for me, I would've been happy."
DancingEmma
September 16, 2023 at 4:22 PM
@panshel: A tad harsh to conclude that she is dumb on this basis as she could have been nervous. It could and has happened to the best of us.
You don’t like the 2SL much, do you?😉
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panshel
September 16, 2023 at 5:37 PM
He's dumb too -- he forgot to press the rice cooker button. I understand why you all don't like him, but I don't believe that he's the evil stalker.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 17, 2023 at 12:36 AM
It's more like it's a strange thing for the scriptwriters to use the ingredients' list to demonstrate, for som reason, the stupidity of the heroin.
Since we are looking at scripted dialogue, it's fair to assume it's not arbitrary.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 18, 2023 at 2:33 AM
I have expanded on my idea on my fan wall, quoting you, panshel, so I thought I'd let you know.
😊
You are welcome to engage, if you want to.
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Lalla32
October 6, 2023 at 4:10 AM
"a dick measuring contest"... AMEN! I hate that. Especially when the girl just stads there watching while the two stupid males decide what is best for her.
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7 Miju
September 15, 2023 at 4:07 PM
I'm still enjoying this drama for what it is inside my head : my weekly shut off my brain and serve unrealistic story with romance sprinkled in as I relax with dinner. And so far its serving its intended purpose. Hence why I don't mind (too much) the iffy two-timing situation as much as I would in other dramas or reality (where this would be a dealbreaker I realise). For now I too continue to be swayed by the story and the characters. Hong Joo more than everyone else but Rowoon's eyes do be beckoning at times.
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8 jerrykuvira
September 15, 2023 at 4:18 PM
I'll sum up my thoughts in bullet points so I don't go raving on about some secondary characters who are doing a perfect job of pissing me off.
•I don't know how you guys didn't laugh unless your fanwall reactions were for another Destined With You but, I had a swell time watching episode 7. I choked on my food while watching.
• Na-yeon just gives me more reasons to solidify my dislike for her. Her slapping Hong-joo... unacceptable.
• I wasn't exactly giving a thumbs down reaction to Sin-yu's father's regard for his wife in the past few weeks. I saw it, didn't like it and moved past it. This week got me really pissed. And it wasn't because he ghosted their outing. It was his slap on the wrist reaction to his wife's emotions and voice when she returned home and found him sleeping... sleeping 🤯🤯? I thought he ghosting would be the height of it that I never expected him to top it up with something more appalling. There's no way I'm moving last this one.
• I hope there's no romance cooking between Sin-yu's mom and the young lawyer. I like the fountain of youth he's making Sin-yu omma feel but that's it for me.
• That episode 7 ending kiss should have been followed with a strong reaction, not a flustered one. Especially when it clearly wasn't consensual at the beginning. I wasn't expecting that Hong-joo would be replaying the event in the privacy of her apartment and thoughts and not be pissed at the invasion. She freaking just got slapped, by your fiance, and one of the things on your mind was to pull in for a kiss? Dunno, it got me giving the 😒 and 🙄.
• I'm already on the SL ship waiting to be burnt but I'd really like Jae-kyung to not be protective when Hong-joo is involved, especially when Sin-yu is in the situation. It's not it. Let's not appear as what we are trying not to be.
Is Bong-sil a popular dog name in South Korea. I betted my next spoon of food that she'll name the dog Bong-sil and she did just so few secs later.
• And, I want to see them interact outside of Hong-joo. Sin-yu is a lawyer and Jae-kyung is the City Hall's PR amongst his other work capacities. Let us see the result of the reason why Jae-kyung went to such lengths to scout/hire/poach Sin-yu out of his previous employment. They're two men who are well established professionals in their craft and already have enough things to cause interactions between themselves so it's really absurd that the only thing that happens to cause them to have a constant conversation is Hong-joo.
• Did I put up Eun-young and Mr. Gong in the last beanie rec for platonic relationships? I'm willing to take their names out of that list and watch them morph into a different kind of friendship.
• I've not been a fan of how defeated Hong-joo presents herself to Na-yeon. I was really glad to see Na-yeon flinch at Hong-joo picking up that glass of water. I wanted it splattered on her...
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jerrykuvira
September 15, 2023 at 4:22 PM
...face, but found myself agreeing with Hong-joo decision calling her bluff and sus instead and showing herself the bigger person, never one to descend so low into Na-yeon's game. Somehow it was more satisfying and for the first time, I'm giving Hong-joo a very big thumbs up for paying Na-yeon in kind in the most appropriate measure.
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Kathryn51
September 15, 2023 at 7:48 PM
"Let us see the result of the reason why Jae-kyung went to such lengths to scout/hire/poach Sin-yu out of his previous employment. "
In a show all about destiny, Jae Kyung is just one of several individuals who are important to bringing SY and HJ together. She gets transferred to City Hall. W/in a couple of days (apparently) he takes a new job at City Hall immediately after she opened the box and said "Please, can you come". Yeah, she was thinking of Jae Kyung, but it was Shin-yu that CAME.
I also think Jae kyung must know Na-yeon well - he has worked for her father for years and definitely knew that she was in a steady dating relationship with Shin-yu. JK is jealouse of Shin-yu ("He has everything" or something similar).
In the past, was he good guy? bad guy? heck, we don't even know if SY was a good guy since he apparently (if writers aren't playing games with us) dismembered Aeng-cho who was, again "apparently" Hong-jo's ancestor.
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jerrykuvira
September 16, 2023 at 2:23 AM
That's stating the obvious. I still stand by the thought that nonetheless, they are professionals in their fields. Destined With You can do better even if it is a show about destiny.
All the time spent repeating the same cycle of cliches and lines from ep 3 to 8 can be spent doing something else. Imagine if FLAW aired as a drama centered on meteorology and there was no story centering the main characters around the weather and how going about their jobs also provided avenues for them to interact.
They have a unique job description and office setting here. They are also getting paid for their jobs. Let me see them interacting as much as possible via work and not simply meeting thanks to being entangled in a triangle. They could have just written them as teenagers if they don't know how to write an interactive office story for the four main leads.
I've seen silly office romcoms in the past years. And they've done way better than DwY in this regard.
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ar_arguably romantic
September 16, 2023 at 9:48 AM
I think when it comes to office rom-coms, many kdramas have trouble marrying the rom-com to the work aspect. They've gotten the general office culture, but nothing much about the ins and outs of particular professions in a particular industry. Also, the parks department seems overstaffed while the law department seems understaffed.
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9 Mrs Buckwheat
September 15, 2023 at 4:21 PM
Sir, could you please respect yourself and show some common decency for the two females you are toying with and desist your behaviour.
The FL has repeatedly told you to stop but you do not listen.
Fix your own house before making any pledges of love.
If this was just an everyday, run of the mill guy who was behaving in this manner to a close friend we would have no hesitation to tell them to stay the h@ll away from this dude.
If the show expects this behaviour to be viewed as romantic, cast an actor who is capable of delivering a nuanced portrayal of a man torn, in love. The perfect example of this would be Namkoong Min from My Dearest. His character is pretty shady and has treated the female lead appalling at times but he still has all of us behind him hoping he gets a happily ever after.
Each episode is repetitive, follows the same formula and the characters remain static (except the 2FL who is now having an affair)- ML tells FL he doesn't want to but he likes/ loves her, FL tells him to leave her alone. He/she goes away to think. They then get put in a situation where they have to spend time together. Insert office colleagues, weird family dynamics of the ML's and a sprinkling of 2nd leads.
This is a drop for me.
Thanks for the recaps unit.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 4:47 AM
He is not toying with 2FL. She is toying with him.
He ahs no say in the matter. He tried to, but was ignored. Now, he is just being dragged along. Miserable and resigned.
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10 Enigmah
September 15, 2023 at 4:30 PM
I am loving this drama more with each episode …I was so excited to see that we have black magic now…and cliffhanger of what happened to both leads
having watched many dramas, there is still element of freshness along with old soul of my fav dramas…there is no goody shoes characters and that makes drama real for me…
yes, I am frustrated why ML isn’t running to FL , but listening to his thoughts in ep 8 confirmed my notion that it’s not simple to break up a long relationship when in confusion…my heart broke during their conversation under that skywalk..I literally got butterflies when Shin-yu fixed HongJo hair, such details and fighting to hold their feelings together is more romantic for me…the angst is worthy!
yes few characters are blueprint, like SFL , but I am hoping that they utilize in a way that makes sense in the prev life…
I can’t wait for next week, I am so waiting for Wednesday every Thursday morning after I finish watching second ep of week…lol…
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 4:45 PM
YES! The black magic book. So excited. Seriously, what we need are more plot points. How’s it gonna work? Can only Hong-Jo cast a spell from there too?
As @ceciliedk said over on the Fan Wall (I’m paraphrasing), “there’s probably no more obvious metaphor for any OTP’s relationship than ‘she’s the only one who can open (your) box,’” and inside his “box” are a set of good things/spells and set of bad things/spells. Squee. So simple. So unoriginal (in a good way)! Let’s do this.
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Enigmah
September 15, 2023 at 4:53 PM
Yes, I am hoping to see who has access to the black magic aswell, since they already started black magic which is curse to dispel longing between Shinyu and HongJo as per sharp netizens who investigated screenshot of the book..there is so much to story beyond this two timing and it’s my kinda story of super natural things lol…
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 15, 2023 at 5:24 PM
Remember how, to make the love potion, you needed to place a red rose in goat's milk?
Well, if you cut off the head of a black-coloured rose so that is falls into a glass of water and seems to be drowning ... what then do you think happens? Because Evil Garden Guy did that. While talking about ... something about women having to do what they were told, or something. Saying it to ML.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 15, 2023 at 5:31 PM
Maybe this whole thing of love spells and evil curses ends up with him needing his own heart to tip the scales in the right - and real - direction.
Like in Good Omens. (I am talking about the book, and the first season, which is a filming of that book).
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Enigmah
September 15, 2023 at 5:38 PM
I read a nice write up in tumblr about this spell vs curse…they mentioned that they key might be in accepting their destiny..I am not sure if external links are allowed here…
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 5:41 PM
He might be moving at a snail’s pace—but Shin-yu is indeed coming to terms with the fact that these are his feelings. He, too, is out of excuses. He’s not doing to many good things with this realization yet, as many have noted, though…
It would be so awesome if he were to end up doing right by everyone because that was the actually way to cure his disease, though, wouldn’t it? He, himself, was causing his own trauma through self-absorption and selfish behavior.
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Enigmah
September 15, 2023 at 6:20 PM
There is very interesting write up, shared online: https://www.tumblr.com/kalena-henden/728514188714098688/is-magic-real-are-curses-real-are-spells-real
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 5:34 AM
I am quite sure that his inability to love and his illness were connected, at least. Magic or nor not. Or magic as metaphor, most definitely.
11 Olivedreams
September 15, 2023 at 4:36 PM
So I am going to give this drama 2 more episodes…it was going well until episode 8 which was all over the place.
I am beyond officially over the love square and it’s reading ick even though the fiancé is not a good person and a two timer to boot. Now they’ve added a stalker and coma storyline…this story is looking to go off the rails. I don’t understand why k drama producers can’t tell a tight romantic story (in about 10 to 12 episodes) without introducing all kinds of unnecessary storylines that exactly no one asked for.
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12 lapislazulii
September 15, 2023 at 5:02 PM
Okay alright so lol a lot happened but here’s the overall sentiment from me; although I was frustrated and yelling at a number of plot points - most specifically at Jang Shin-yu just looking forlorn like he couldn’t do anything - when the dust settled I realised that I wasn’t frustrated in a really angry, ‘urgh I’m going to drop this’ sense but more like in a passionate, ‘omg what are you guys DOING but also what’s the next scene going to be 👀’ kind of way. I’d compare it to watching Gossip Girl or something, strangely addictive despite the plot throwing everything including the kitchen sink as @indyfan put it. The mess and sheer unpredictable-ness is strangely addictive, and I think I’d credit the cast for being a major reason as to why. They’re doing something and it’s working for me.
SO some thoughts:
- This was the first time I was fully, wholeheartedly able to understand, empathise and be on Hong-jo’s side. I really felt for her, especially because Shin-yu is being a jerk with his whiplash-y actions and words
- Jae-kyung was really cute this week!! He loosened up a little and I started liking him a whole lot more, even his jokes were funny - I was surprised when I laughed! He also took the spell thing far better than I would’ve in his situation, he didn’t even look at them like they were truly insane even after it was ‘proven’ it didn’t work
- Na-yeon thing is annoying as from a plot point of view, the reason why they decided to do that is so glaringly obvious but whatever, I hope we do away with her character now and not have her cause unnecessary trouble
- Shin-yu’s dad is really annoying me with his lack of care or attention towards his wife 😡
- I hate that Shin-yu is still with Na-yeon and the fake date idea was dumb BUT BUT BUT there were lots of cute moments for the OTP this week. I was angry watching with love hearts in my eyes hahaha
- I have no idea what to say about the doll (or many other plot points to be honest lol
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Enigmah
September 15, 2023 at 5:14 PM
Like ML says everything is a mess and he knows he is trash…lol..
I am loving all the eye talking they are doing, aswell as some confirmation from dialogues just in case lol…
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 5:17 PM
I’m so very much with you, @lapislazulii. For me, it’s like I not only can’t but also find I don’t want to look away. I’d be OK with Na-yeon leaving the story—but better yet from my POV would be to find out what her deal is and let her also get her own life. She clearly doesn’t actually care for Shin-yu, and given how annoyed she was when chaebol dude hugged her in bed, I don’t think he’s the one either. So, she’s tending to her sexual needs…great! But why this way? Given that the show will almost inevitably be about how great monogamy is—what’s her character have to offer us? I mean it just could be so great. I’m going to make it great in my head. Maybe I’ll channel @minniegupta1 and try my hand at fanfic eventually. Probably not, but I should be so lucky to have Minnie’s drive!!
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Gikata
September 15, 2023 at 5:49 PM
I wonder if NY's affair with jerk chaebol is supposed to mean that SY has little to no sexual attraction to her along with the obvious lack of romantic one. It's actually not the first time this idea pops us - Wook has been asking SY about that earlier, worrying that his friend's illness might be impacting negatively THAT aspect of his life as well... I actually wouldn't put it past SY to use his health as an excuse to minimize the skinship lmao. Even before HJ and the love-spell-or-maybe-not chaos he seemed awfully uninterested in any intimacy with his "Goddess" girlfriend. Now the question is why NY keeps putting up with him then? Because he's a better catch image-wise than her side guy?
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 5:55 PM
Yes to this. Given that convo at dinner in episode 1 or 2, it seems to me that she (or more likely, her mayor dad) is in this to marry up, that is, into a family written into the Joseon records (or however they put that). Chaebol dude is clearly not of that class.
But why Shin-yu’s (happily to me) nameless dad wants him to marry her is still beyond me—it seems to be about their children?? Do you have thoughts on that, @gikata?
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Gikata
September 15, 2023 at 6:45 PM
Good one! Haven't thought about mayor's family being not all that compared to THE Jangs, but of course. Now it makes even more sense why NY is trying to speed up the wedding despite knowing SY is very sick AND fell for another woman... She wants to get his name, even if it's gonna be the last thing he gives her.
I feel like it all is one big karmic recreation of their Joseon tragedy - he's engaged to a woman he's not supposed to break up with easily even if he truly wants to be with a woman of lower status (HJ) - as if fate FORCES our players in the same situation again to see whether any of them learned their lesson and will make different choices this time around. That's for supernatural aspect.
As for why daddy dearest insists on wedding so much - well, I'll be the cynical one and say that dad believes SY ain't gonna make it, but since their precious bloodline needs to be continued... It's all but spelled out loud here - SY MUST marry and produce some kids to keep the clan going before he's gone. That's what Jang men did for generations since the curse started. No wonder the boy isn't very excited about fulfilling his breeding horse role... In a slightly different drama I could've even theorize that dad is afraid of becoming curse's target again if SY was to die before passing the torch to his own son, but I don't think the man is THIS heartless. Yet. Who knows? WE also shouldn't forget that dude knows NOTHING about his son's current love life mess and may be genuinely convinced that SY only pushes NY (perfect woman in everyone's eyes) away due to noble idiocy reasons.
Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 7:43 PM
@gikata Oh, I take your sageuk-type point about who has to marry whom and why (and then the continuation of the bloodline thing)…with then the present being a reincarnated “what were the lessons learned” situation. I fear that might end up being tedious. I’m gonna hope for the best because at least there are two spell books now… :)
I really want the success of this OTP to hinge on Shin-yu authentically wanting to treat people better not being “past-lived” into it.
indyfan
September 15, 2023 at 7:45 PM
“I feel like it all is one big karmic recreation of their Joseon tragedy - he's engaged to a woman he's not supposed to break up with easily even if he truly wants to be with a woman of lower status (HJ)”
I’m 💯 with you. It’s just the parallel doesn’t work as well when you’re no longer in a restrictive society such as Joseon. The cost of his breakup in the modern era just doesn’t match up.
Gikata
September 15, 2023 at 8:36 PM
@indyfan , yep, he only has to realize this important difference and pack his bags out of this marriage asap. But I feel like there's going to be some nasty consequences anyway - both him and HJ technically work for NY's dad... Will she end up jobless for loving him? Well, still better than dismembered, I'd say)))
Gikata
September 15, 2023 at 8:43 PM
Ouch, that's one thing reincarnation romances can never deliver))) But we'll see how well (or not) drama goes around that... Plus we have plenty of characters who I suspect won't have any past life memories and thus will operate independently (sort of). Btw, it's possible that SY remains the only one with "flashbacks". HJ is yet to have any so far, right?
indyfan
September 15, 2023 at 9:22 PM
@gikata That sounds right for the moral/ending. Pls no tragedy for this lightweight show. Losing your jobs is awful. Tho less so when the boy is Richie Rich? I still feel modern romances can't show doomed love with quite the same weight as historical ones. *Cough* My Dearest. *Cough*Cough.*
sonai
September 16, 2023 at 12:30 AM
Considering why the dad wants this marriage so desperately: doesn’t the „curse“ seem to be passed down in the Jang family? I had the feeling that the dad was pretty much aware of this „problem“ that he passed on to his son. (The whole “our family owns a shrine and the youngest son is in charge of it” situation, too.) Somehow marriage seemed like a way to „do it all away“, which is why he married quickly („and look how it went for me“ initially seemed sweet as his parents gave of adorable, normal vibes, but kinda leaves a bitter aftertaste now). And if it’s only that the father is cured once he has a son, LOL! That seems pretty outrageous (if you decide to have kids because of it), but his father does seem pretty egoistic, too… 😅
Both parents literally jumped at the news that solving a riddle could “lift a curse”… 🤔
Gikata
September 16, 2023 at 1:00 AM
@indyfan , yeah, that's my main problem with modern romances - stakes are often unnaturally high for the sake of angst, which feels fake. Sageuks are better in that regard with their endless stifling rules and draconian laws.
My biggest ray of hope is that tragedy already happened to them - in past lives, so we're sorta done with that and can move the plot somewhere else. And lol, losing your job to date the guy THIS loaded doesn't sound very bad indeed. Plus mayor isn't a lifelong occupation as far as I'm concerned...
@sonai , oh, I'm sure parents know, at least dad! The actual rules of curse's inheritance are unclear so far, but I've seen two big theories online - that you're safe once you pass it down to your son, as you said, and that the key is marrying for love (or at least there being one-sided feelings). SY's dad has a loving wife (who may or not may endangering his life with that divorce threat lol) and overcame his illness somehow, grandpa is still alive and kicking as well, tho we don't know much about his marital life. The only thing that's clear is that there IS some loophole, but none of Jangs unfortunately know what it is. We've also been lowkey told that HJ can end the curse once and for all... but again, how?
Seon-ha
September 16, 2023 at 4:58 AM
@gikata Yes, up to this point Hong-jo has only had that one vision of Jae-kyung in her modern house—no other visions that I can remember.
Also, don’t say “Ouch, you’ll never get what you want from this show.” LET ME DOWN EASY. I’m fragile. :)
Seon-ha
September 16, 2023 at 5:03 AM
@sonai Yes, we’d like more “curse rules,” plz. Although HeartBeat has taught me that Korean “television” is more than willing just to change all the rules mid-stream and betray expectations.
So, I want TWO things. I want there to be clearer curse rules at this time, and I want them to be consistent. Thx.
You wouldn’t happen to have any sway over the DWY show runners, would you?
PS: I got the impression, although, I may be mis-remembering that the father’s curse was lifted after SY was born—at very least, I am 100% positive that he claimed that his was “curable,” whereas SY’s is not…
sonai
September 16, 2023 at 5:48 AM
@attiton “You wouldn’t happen to have any sway over the DWY show runners, would you?”
Ummm suuure, let me quickly don my white dress, grab my foldable table and shaman suitcase. 😂 The “Get a grip, show makers” spell seems just right for this occasion!
But you are right, it was mentioned Shinyu’s illness is “incurable”. 🧐 But there is still hoping that Hongjo holds the key to that! So let’s see how this plays out. Anything can happen at this point!
panshel
September 15, 2023 at 10:20 PM
Re: cute moments for the OTP this week
My heart fluttered so bad when Shin-yu blocked the sun for Hong-jo with his hand on the rooftop that I forgot to read the subtitles and had to replay it to hear what he said.
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sonai
September 16, 2023 at 12:32 AM
Yes! That was so adorable.
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Gikata
September 16, 2023 at 12:42 AM
And how he jumped to shield-hug HJ in the forest so she doesn't see the hanged cursed doll/dummy. Quite the progress from hiding behind her from the dog))) Boy's got his instincts in the right place. Now if only he managed to solve the conflict between them and his unhelpful rational thinking...
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lapislazulii
September 16, 2023 at 2:12 AM
Right!!!! Same! And especially he did it so swiftly like it was reflex and didn't break conversation omg 😍
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Kafiyah Bello
September 16, 2023 at 4:56 AM
Yesss, lol, they both acted like it was perfectly natural too, lol.
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Seon-ha
September 16, 2023 at 5:45 AM
Calls to mind Woo-joo’s deepest desire in Call It Love. If only these two were the only people left…in the entire world.
@sonai @gikata @lapislazulii @kafiyah-bello
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13 panshel
September 15, 2023 at 5:10 PM
If the show wanted to vilify Na-yeon and victimize Shin-yu, then it ought to have revealed her affair earlier because when she kissed Sleazy CEO, I cheered. Her boyfriend's cheating on her too, so why not cheat on him back (even though I know she was cheating on him first)?
Hong-jo deserved that slap for closing her eyes during their kiss. Shin-yu is such a coward. How hard is it to break up with your girlfriend?Then he can pine over Hong-jo all he wants.
Timing is everything. Beanies had said that Hong-jo turns into a fangirl around Jae-kyung, while she acts like herself with Shin-yu, but now she even feels comfortable with Jae-kyung from drinking beer together on their rooftop to sharing things about themselves, but that ship has sailed. When he said, "I want to give you butterflies," I yelled, "You had your chance! She's already moved on to going on fake dates with a man with a girlfriend."
Every character in this drama is a walking red flag, but the biggest immorality has got to be Wook and Mom. Who dates their best friend's mom?! Where are your boundaries?
I'll forgive Hong-jo for not turning on her phone's flashlight as long as she maces the shadow next week. I loled when Hong-jo found the typo in their festival pamphlet, and Team Leader Gong said, "Maybe because her eyes are big."
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mindy
September 15, 2023 at 5:18 PM
I honestly thought the show was being totally innocent with Wook and Mom, but now with everything else happening I'm not so sure anymore lmao!
I've dropped it, but I'll be skimming the fan walls to see where that storyline ends up out of morbid curiosity.
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 5:20 PM
Part of me would love it if they totally crossed the line on this one…but the other knows that the writer couldn’t take that kind of blowback. Worse might end up being that Shin-yu’s parents end up “learning their lesson” and ending up “happily ever after.” Gawd.
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sonai
September 16, 2023 at 9:16 AM
Ugh, I am also on board with this one. Adorable mom deserves a respectful, sweet and kind partner. If he’s younger - who cares? Good for her! At this point, her husband totally does not care what she does. Should either divorce her or open up the marriage so she can go enjoy herself (but I’m pretty sure that the writers won’t go there, either…). 😬
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Seon-ha
September 16, 2023 at 8:50 PM
+1 @sonai
Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 5:18 PM
Looollll.
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indyfan
September 15, 2023 at 7:31 PM
Best line. 😂😂😂
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Enigmah
September 15, 2023 at 5:20 PM
Date between Mom and sons friend? I am not sure why I am not seeing it beyond just friendship… rewatched that scene again, but I never saw them stepping out of boundary till now…it would be same vibe if it was same gender too
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Gikata
September 15, 2023 at 7:33 PM
This plotline is written and filmed very ambiguously - all hints and no solid signs of the two actually heading there yet. Clever, show!
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Enigmah
September 15, 2023 at 7:55 PM
I saw it very differently, it is implying me something that is yet to come..
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Gikata
September 15, 2023 at 8:29 PM
It's implying, but never clearly shows or promises anything narratively, meaning it can go multiple ways from here.
vienibenmio
September 15, 2023 at 6:27 PM
2ML is making me mad, too. You had your chance!
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 7:44 PM
But he’s so cuuuute and sweet! So what if his jokes are dumb and he is a bit full of himself. ;)
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Gikata
September 15, 2023 at 8:27 PM
Treating FL as a possession he can refuse or accept whenever he feels like it is NOT cute. Forget him being all aggressively territorial with SY - he has no qualms at being loudly mean to HER if she doesn't do what he wants her to atm either.
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14 Cay_sbtgoG
September 15, 2023 at 5:47 PM
As for this week, it has become official that this show is a TOTAL mess all around.
Acting wise, while I've made peace with Rowoon' acting, I still couldn't shake this feeling that his character could've played better. I watched I am Not a Robot last night, and Yoo Seung Hoo was believable at portraying a conflicted about his feelings toward the FL.
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15 DancingEmma
September 15, 2023 at 5:54 PM
Off-topic but I just noticed that my region’s Viki has listed the “Matchmaker” with Cho Yihyun and Rowoon under “the Coming Soon” section. I hope this will be good. And, another chance to hopefully see Rowoon in beautiful hanboks!
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DancingEmma
September 15, 2023 at 5:58 PM
In 45 days so on 25/26 October.
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16 RenOIshi
September 15, 2023 at 6:07 PM
I thought too many unnecessary things happened in these two episodes. First was that cheating 2FL storyline. Did they insert it so that we don’t feel SY is a cheater? Yes. Then the sudden change of the dad from being a supportive funny guy to a quintessential ‘chaebol’ dad who arranges weddings for their adult children without notifying them. And don’t you even start with that mum/wookie road! What is happening there? Stop!
And then there was that kiss. I know he has the habit of contradicting himself so saying I won’t take a step towards you to forcing a kiss on her the next moment was perhaps characteristic but that doesn’t mean I support it. I also understand why he is not breaking up with the 2FL and again just because I know doesn’t mean I understand.
Worst is this stalker/stealer of nightgowns extravaganza! Completely unnecessary except to give SY the chance to fake stick around with HJ.
2ML is boring to me. He has his charms but fizzling out in my eyes.
And wow the neural coupling. Where is that red hand? No spell more red hand correct? No?
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indyfan
September 15, 2023 at 7:29 PM
“First was that cheating 2FL storyline. Did they insert it so that we don’t feel SY is a cheater?”
Well, he is. But it doesn’t matter as much cos his gf is an even bigger cheater. Or something like that. Poorly done.
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RenOIshi
September 15, 2023 at 7:43 PM
Very poorly done.
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DancingEmma
September 15, 2023 at 9:19 PM
I normally don’t like cheating, not from a moral tsk tsk tsk perspective but because it is dishonest. Here, however, I see an applicable scale which makes me be less disdainful of Shinyu given his circumstances. We still don’t really know what is going on. Have the spells worked or were merely illusory? Is he still sick or not? I would think he still is as the red hand was just the visual representation of this ticking bomb inside of him which has had a vise-like grip on his mind and body and the fact that it no longer appears is arguably only an indication that he is in love and enlivened by the possibility of a different joyful future.
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indyfan
September 16, 2023 at 12:07 AM
Oh there’s a good case to be made for why he was pulled toward HJ. It’s why he’s still waffling around that’s harder to accept I think. I wish they’d made a stronger case for his staying with his GF because watching Rowoon sway is a beautiful thing for me. I think we might get it in the Joseon timeline.
But I think the 2FL cheating was made really only to make his waffling more acceptable to viewers. That’s what I don’t like as much. I also just don’t like the scheming slapping stereotypical 2FLs so much.
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Gikata
September 16, 2023 at 1:14 AM
At least this particular jealous SFL doesn't have resources to commit a whole ass genocide just to get the guy (xianxia trauma #134874 speaking). Talk about low bar))) I'd bet a coin on her past self being heavily involved in FL's demise in Joseon era though. Thankfully, in modern times it's significantly harder to go this far.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 4:54 AM
She might have commited a genocide in her past life, though. Or she has been the actual cause in dismembering and skinning the shaman of then and thence.
I thought about whether the hand was of Hong-jo's Joseon soul, the Shaman that was killed, and if the soul found peace now that Shin-yu is at Hong-jo's disposal, but the sould couldn't be in the hand and in Hong-yu at the same time, right? So I don't know, but there is definitely a connection.
Gikata
September 16, 2023 at 9:34 AM
@ceciliedk , while I'm almost sure that FL's nasty death in past life was WAY more complicated than what's written in history books and SFL could potentially have a bloody (har!) hand in that, but that was probably more or less all to it. Compared to a certain xianxia lady who massacred like 10K living creatures over petty love rivalry that was ALL in her head since she never stood the change to begin with... Sageuks are certainly milder, evil SFLs there usually have some practical (if not logical) limits to their craziness. Which is for the better - even I can only tolerate this much bitchiness!
We're led to believe that Red Hand belongs to HJ (her shaman past self), but there might be a twist to it as well. I don't think it's necessarily a soul, more like a visual representation of the curse. Some folks here doubt Red Hand was even real and not just SY hallucinating it because of his illness, but I disagree. It must be real, just as spells from the book are. Writing simply tricks us and leads into thinking they are not - for now.
17 vienibenmio
September 15, 2023 at 6:28 PM
I love this drama but the romance can't properly progress until Sin-yu dumps his gf and I'm getting frustrated waiting for it
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 2:56 PM
Isn't it break-up time yet!
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 2:57 PM
Or maybe break o' clock
... may or may not have been inspired by SML's "jokes".
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18 Dylan [Suffering from Judge from Hell brainrot]
September 15, 2023 at 7:04 PM
I wake up early every morning just to be a Jae-kyung hater. I have, like, the opposite of SLS. I really wish they’d stop trying to make Jae-kyung x Hongjoo happen, no amount of sappy music or cute moments is gonna sway *me*.
How did they not break down laughing when filming? The run up the stairs, getting stuck at the door, the pettiness 💀💀had me dying
I just know the creepy ajusshi is the one who sent the photos to Nayeon too, who else be stalking Hong-jo other than him... and Sinyu ig. Someone should send that ajusshi to jail ASAP, esp since he’s taking screen time away from more important things. Like our missing queen, Ms. Red Hand.
Also, Sinyu, I can't keep defending you... If you like her so much, why get married to another woman? On the other hand, every time I try to like Hongjoo, she does something like... leak someone else's terminal illness just bc she has a crush? ma'am, what? Is there a likeable person in this entire show?
They should call this drama In Vino Veritas, bc the only time these people are upfront with their feelings is when they're drunk as the proverbial skunk.
I feel like SFL got caught and exposed their relationship on purpose. It would track with her character. Like, the gall of this woman... slapping Hong-jo... WHILE CHEATING ON SINYU WITH THE WORST POSSIBLE PERSON EVER??? THE SEXUAL PREDATOR... THE CAPITALIST PIG?? 🤢 Hongjo 100% should have hurled that water on her, but you know what, we stan a sustainability queen. ♻️
anyways, Nayeon’s actress seems kinda typecast, how did she get the same plotline in two separate dramas??
I assumed he would get slapped for the kiss. And you know what, good for Hongjo, she's doing the opposite of everyone else and not willing to be an affair partner. Bc everyone in this show is either engaging in some light infidelity or about to. In his mom’s case, I don’t even mind. Like, ma'am, he may be your son's friend but pls divorce this nerd and hook up with that hot young lawyer. How do you get married to a kind, beautiful wife and fumble the bag that hard?
We all know that evil spell book will become relevant soon 😭 more chaos on the way
I thought the date was all a dream sequence but good for Sinyu. I also related so hard with him - those are the most terrifying stairs I've ever seen.
Not her casually holding his arm like it's a real date 🥺
the whole convo was intense, he acted his heart out frfr... and the way he just turned completely red 🍎.
This week’s episodes… were def episodes; I feel like nothing much really happened except more angst bc they keep pushing each other away as usual. Oh and occasional detours into sheer horror movie moments.
Ig either she's gonna accept his love BC of past life flashbacks next week - which feels like a copout to me tbh - or they really are gonna get together in EP. 15 or something.
P.S. Who named one of the OST songs "Permeating on Me"? 💀💀
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indyfan
September 15, 2023 at 7:24 PM
The beginning of #7 was funny. And they kinda forgot to have fun for the rest of the show.
I liked Hong Jo when she stood up for herself. She should have also told 2FL to put the blame on her BF. Really, you only have a say in his behavior.
But you’re right. Then HJ goes ahead and does other crappy stuff. Oh well. It’s a start.
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sonai
September 16, 2023 at 2:04 AM
Yup, the “cliffhanger” at the end of ep 7 how that kiss would be received on Hongjo’s end had me hold my breath - SO happy she stood up for herself there (even though she did enjoy it *a bit*, what I cannot be mad about either. All the feelings here!!!). Bravo!
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indyfan
September 16, 2023 at 4:15 AM
Honestly, I'd have mixed feelings too if Rowoon was swayed by me. 😂
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DancingEmma
September 16, 2023 at 5:32 AM
@indyfan: Have more faith in yourself Indy. We are all living in a/the Matrix anyway so what the heck.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 16, 2023 at 4:57 AM
She was very honest about that. She totally enjoyed it, but she knew it just left her in a mess. She totally should steal 2FLs boyfriend, though, not regrets.
Apart from that, being drawn in by someone desirable but he is in a relationship, ... it makes perfect sense for her to enjoy it and ask him to stop.
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Gikata
September 15, 2023 at 7:46 PM
We could form a club of SML's haters, I cannot stand the guy too! Do his empathy cells only work on stray dogs? Because he surely doesn't give a damn about the feelings and pain of people around him. Like ZERO. Even SFL seemed somewhat genuinely shaken to know that SY is dying, but he only used the fact to mock his love rival into stepping away...
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Kathryn51
September 15, 2023 at 7:58 PM
Yes, but Ha Joon is the main reason this drama even came onto my radar and he has the most endearing smile. He's jealous of SY - has been since law school when he, as someone who was not wealthy, studied hard but of course had no opportunity at a big mega-firm because no connections.
Good thing Ha Joon will now be on a weekender for the next 25 weeks or so.
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Gikata
September 15, 2023 at 8:21 PM
I'm usually all for charming jerks, but damn, this character of his has NONE. Maybe I should try some other show with him because my dislike for the role is blindingly strong for now. Any recs?
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Kathryn51
September 15, 2023 at 8:53 PM
Although I was badly traumatized by my first ever weekender "The Real Has Come", I'm dipping my toe into "Live Your Own Life" where Ha Joon plays the male romantic lead.
The teaser/trailers/BTS look like the cast is having fun, Ha Joon plays the apparent "cold" lead but he's back in Korea looking for his grandmother (awwwww).
🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 2:53 PM
I though Ha Joon was annoying in Crazy Love. When he went to meet his father and he said where is my daughter, I thought he was the daughter who had become the son ... crazy, right! I am assured that weekender is Uee's story all the way so ML is a prop at best.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 17, 2023 at 3:57 PM
That would have been a cool plot twist!
Gikata
September 17, 2023 at 11:22 PM
Omg, that was him?! Damn, I'm really bad with face recognition - thought that dude looked familiar, but didn't try hard to remember where I could've seen him...
🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 2:49 PM
"club of SML's haters"
.. please count me in.
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vienibenmio
September 16, 2023 at 7:08 AM
I hate the 2ML too!
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 2:46 PM
🍷🍷🍷
"In Vino Veritas"
😃 🤣 😂
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19 indyfan
September 15, 2023 at 7:11 PM
When I was young, toddler young, I’m told I liked to play in the mud. Eat some too. There might have been some nutritional deficiency or such. But knowing me it was probably cos I enjoyed it. It’s probably why I didn’t mind some of the moral muckety muck in this show as long as I was enjoying the show. (Yes, this is a nonsensical parallel but so is this show.)
But now that it’s focusing on its makjangy hexagon and its hodgepodge of plotlines (and we’ve yet to begun past lives), while much of the comedy and wackiness has disappeared, I’ll say much less so.
My other issue is that while Rowoon is still swaying me (sad puppy!), he is not convincing me why he is swaying. It could be the acting as MrsB said, but I think it’s the show that hasn’t given enough attn to his caring for the 2FL, his family and societal expectations. In fact, Rowoon has played exactly the kind of guy who doesn’t care two hoots about all that, so what up show?
(Tho even if the drama had skillfully shown a man deeply torn between expectations, obligations and his true desire—and god do I love a romantic melo plot line—I don’t think I really wanted it in this fun rom-com.)
I also find his back and forth getting a bit repetitive. By the Ep 8 date I was tired. And boredom is the real killer for me. So I hope we see the plot progress next week. Pretty please show. I’m rooting for you to get a grip.
Also, I bet the neural coupling nonsense will be disproved. I’m sure it was the spells, past lives or something…. I still don’t get why he’d be so quickly, instantly, attracted to Hong Jo without it. But, we’ve beaten that horse to death so I’ll stop now.
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Kurama
September 16, 2023 at 3:24 AM
I don't think Shin-Yu's feelings balance between Na-Yeon and Hong-Jo and it's why he's swaying. But it's more about he's loosing control of his own life, feelings. He said it, he never was a mess, his job is to take care of the mess of others.
Na-Yeon was his choice in his very controled life and Hong-Jo is an uncontrollable force he can't fight.
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vienibenmio
September 16, 2023 at 7:09 AM
It's not neural coupling, no way. I'd bet money
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 2:37 PM
Your mud eating parallel is 🤌 also 🤣 but makes perfect sense in the context.
Hopefully Joseon story will give some answers instead of more loose ends.
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20 Gikata
September 15, 2023 at 7:28 PM
There was nearly not enough hilarious cringy pickup lines from our bewitched ML this week. Get a grip, Jang Shin Yu! Romcom is where show's main forte lies, heavy dose of melo in latest episodes kinda soured my impression a bit.
Is the drama trying to make a point that it's not worth it to continue the loveless relationship? And how destructive it is to not only both parties but also everyone around them to insist on keeping those going. We have a lot of couples here and all of them are visibly miserable together due to lack of strong mutual feelings. SY's parents marriage isn't even a disaster I thought it was last week - that union is more dead than inhabitants of nearest graveyard! Does it even count for cheating if mom outright tells dad she wants a divorce and he's like "OK, just leave me alone"? Now I REALLY want her to end it asap and find the love she wants and deserves elsewhere. Boss Ma also admittedly ignored some warning signs in her failed marriage because she was in love and they (apparently) had a kid together... SY and NY - no comments. None of the two are in it for the right reasons. Didn't see NY's affair with jerk chaebol coming, but good for them, they deserve each other, let the ship sail!
SY's waffling came to an annoying point, that I admit. You could do better, boy, tsk-tsk! Him basically begging HJ for some encouragement to not give up got me anyway (unlike that lame kiss, but I get why it was done like that narrative-wise). Both him and HJ are afraid of betting on whatever they have without any guarantees from the other first... How true to life lol. Someone give them a
kickpush to finally go for it properly! Among them HJ is the one who usually follows her heart fearlessly, so SY still being technically taken is the only valid reason to keep OTP apart and angst going. She already likes him, no matter how hard she tries to resist! JK keeps being an eyesore, I'm so done with his entitled approach to HJ and her affections. Not even sure he likes HER as much as he seemingly likes COMPETITION over her with SY...Spell book volume 2 got me excited, pls do some curses too! Stalker thriller is less fun, but I'll take it over dragged love polygon melo anytime. Am I the only one who suspects shaman granny? She seems determined to make the ship sail by any means due to heavens' will. Gardener's still a creep tho. Gimme bloody Joseon backstory to fill the gaps!
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Seon-ha
September 15, 2023 at 7:54 PM
Yes. Trying to think of a couple who is happy and in love. No, what we have is a cast of characters all of whom are looking for love in the wrong places (our workplace women), or who have failed in their relationships to maintain monogamous love (lots of cheating past and present), or who have loveless marriages/relationships. Even Mr. Gong is “forever alone” (for now).
I’m down with this line of interpretation. I mean, that would be the foundation of the most basic romantic plot, right? That there should be no relationship not based on true love. But in this context it also means that you should divorce someone you married for the wrong reason…or leave them. That’s a bit more controversial, wouldn’t you think?
I bet you could easily talk me out of this corner I’m in—especially given our Joseon fate backstory we’re hatching up-thread (that is, it’s not enough to marry for the prestige of your family or for having children alone). Only stay in a relationship for love…but no matter the consequences?
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Gikata
September 15, 2023 at 8:17 PM
Not staying in relationship purely out of obligation is a very controversial idea for SK for sure. Is drama/writer getting any flack for it from knetz? Maybe the sudden addition of NY's affair plotline is there for that - to smooth the edges of leads clearly going the forbidden route. Anyway, love or not, personally I do not believe in marriages without PARTNERSHIP and mutual interest, whatever the basis for those may be. This is also something none of the couples presented have even a bit. As for consequences of blindly following one's heart... I feel like the final thesis of the drama is gonna be "we're not in Joseon era anymore, class and duty shouldn't outweigh one's happiness" or something along the lines.
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 2:32 PM
What a catch ... there is not one happy couple in an alleged rom-com.
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Gikata
September 15, 2023 at 8:06 PM
For got to mention two points:
- SY's telling wardrobe. Whenever he warms up to HJ he abandons his
funeralall black style, but once they fight again - hello, grim reaper SY, rinse and repeat. As if she's the only thing in his life that brings colors with her... Also interesting that HJ wore his trademark all black to their fake date - unusual for her and for romantic date in general, but perhaps it was meant to show that she's more into him than she lets on?- the date in question was very nice for a fake one. Him clinging to her because he's scared of heights, awww! That THING they were on looked equally pretty and terrifying, damn. How this is called? And then fixing her hair all seductively... I almost expected him to try to perform a goodbye kiss for the audience (stalker), but our conflicted two timer boy is bigger than that apparently. Boo)))
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Kurama
September 16, 2023 at 3:13 AM
It was pretty high, if you add he's very tall and the security fence shouldn't make feel him as secure as it is for other people.
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Gikata
September 16, 2023 at 3:19 AM
Right, he's a giant with inhumanly long legs. I rolled when he assured HJ they aren't followed atm because he can see very far from his height)))
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Gikata
September 16, 2023 at 3:25 AM
Oh, MDL crowd to the rescue, as usual. Crazy stairs thingy is apparently SpaceWalk from Hwanho park in Pohang:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-10648905/Pictured-SpaceWalk-80ft-high-staircase-South-Korea-thats-shaped-like-ROLLER-COASTER.html
So pretty AND terrifying, I'd love-hate to try that even tho I'd probably regret it big time)))
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 2:40 PM
👍
MDL is a great resource.
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sonai
September 16, 2023 at 7:01 AM
Yes! I noticed the outfits, too. I’m not against his all black suits 😆 But also found their „style swap“ for the date interesting! Good catch it might imply her feelings for him being deeper than what she might want to admit…
A kiss at the end of that date would have felt „more natural“ than what we got before, but after her telling him „to stay only colleagues“ it wouldn’t have been right, either. Sigh. Waiting for the perfect setup then!
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Gikata
September 16, 2023 at 7:44 AM
He looks great in black, but the way it was shown directly related to his pessimistic moods is not it, let the boy happily wear some colors! At least he's more often seen in normal clothes around her instead of being packed into suits and his office persona.
Kiss or even a hug... I'd like to see the latter, actually. There was a scene in earlier episode where she ran into his arms because someone creepy (our stalker?) followed her and it looked so good somehow, I was like "wow, this guy is pretty huggable"))) Idk why it felt special, I'm usually not into big height difference.
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SP2022
September 16, 2023 at 2:20 PM
I noticed (and loved) and style swap on the date, but hadn't picked up on the mood and outfit connection. I love those kinds of details in shows, and k dramas do them so well. Now I kind of want to go back, just to focus on this - any excuse for a rewatch while I wait for Wednesday...
🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 2:29 PM
Rowoon is most definitely the best-est teddy bear to hug. Yes a date ending with a hug would have been nice. Maybe also a kiss on top of her head.
🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 2:25 PM
I like your analysis of Shin-yu's wardrobe choices.
❤
"the only thing in his life that brings colors"
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 2:22 PM
I'm with you on all points here!
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21 tabong
September 15, 2023 at 8:26 PM
Two weeks ago I was talking with Sicarius about this show and it's lazy writing and she said: I'm pretty sure the second I start thinking "where is this story going?" I'm gonna drop the show.
Well. This week I started to think "where is this story going?". Hahaha.
I knew this show wasn't going to be great, I just stayed for the characters but they ruined them.
So I started to think too much and now I'm done. LOL
1. The main problem: Jang Shin Yu, aka. The guy who couldn't get a grip.
He makes no sense. AT ALL.
With or without love potion. This guy is just... *sigh*
A love potion is supposed to make you FEEL something, not DO something. So stalking and kissing Hong Jo were all his choices.
And he really believes that you have to stay loyal to your long-term partner.He wouldn't have done any of that. He could've just suffer the one sided love on his own. In the darkness of his apartment.
And if the spells don't work... LOL he's just the biggest jerk of the year.
This guy doesn't want to take responsibility for his actions or feelings. He literally does wtv he wants and lets the other two girls deal with the consequences. Especially Hong Jo that got slapped and insulted.
2. The other big problem: The story. This show is going nowhere, it says nothing, and it feels empty. What are we supposed to gain from it? And entertaining story with cool fantasy elements? NOPE. A heartwarming but sad love story about destined souls meeting each other in a second lifetime? NOPE. Just a cute and lovely OTP? NOPE. Nice character development/growth? DEFINITELY NOT.
So...
3. Side characters.
I have some questions about them.
3.1. Why is everyone so shallow?
The girls from the office always talking about Shin Yu and his gf, for example. Wanna know why you're 30-something and still single? You really wanna know the answer girls?
3.2. Why did SY's mom marry that Gu-Jun-Pyo-before-Jang-Di boy? There's no way he could hid his personality, and he acts like a 10yo brat, so WHY woman? Why?
3.3. Why are the SLs such a cliche?? Why?? A cheater? An obnoxious jerk?
Well, at least the SFL seems to have a life besides being Shin Yu's fiance. Maybe she's planning something bad and crazy with her lover. That guy is weird af, so it wouldn't surprise me.
But the SML is just there to ruin the OTP and he's really bad at it. Just like any other typical SL.
They have zero charisma or presence. There's no real reason to watch their scenes, they're so plain and predictable you can skip them and it won't affecting anything else.
My highlight of the week was Hong Jo and the little kid. That's it.
🎵 I just wanna tell you that I had enough. It may sound crazy but it ain't no lie, baby BYE BYE BYE. 🎶
Good luck, beanies. Peace out.
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indyfan
September 15, 2023 at 8:58 PM
Well, didn't you just kimchi-slap the show and slam the door shut on your way out? 🤣 I hear you tho. Some valid critiques in there. But I'm still hanging in there.
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tabong
September 16, 2023 at 1:21 AM
Hahahaha. Since it's my last time here, I just wanted to get everything out of my system and move on to the next show.
I hope you enjoy it till the end, gook luck!
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 2:18 PM
Hanging on by a thin thread here!
Inspired by seniors to not be too invested and just enjoy the pretty.
Let's see how this goes.
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22 ScreenName
September 15, 2023 at 9:18 PM
I’m getting tired of HJ’s timidity. She just stands there after being slapped by NY. Stand up for yourself, woman.
Yet again a ML grabs and restrains a FL in a kdrama. Apparently it’s okay for women to be slapped, grabbed and forcibly kissed in a decidedly unromantic way. It’s a terrible trope that should be dropped.
Are Ms. Ma and Mr. Hong going to get romantic or just stay close friends? Is Jae-kyung into HJ? Does he think he might be into HJ? Is SY ever going to tell NY that it’s over? He’s hinted at it more than once. Be a grownup and face your issues head on. So if HJ and SY and JK think the spell book is ineffective why is SY still healthy? Where is the bloody hand? Is NY ever going to get her comeuppance for treating HJ like a slave and physically and verbally abusing her?
Too many loose threads. Too many unanswered questions. Too many unresolved issues.
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 2:14 PM
All valid points!
- no unromantic touching of FL please. This trope is totally due for retirement without pension.
- I like Ms.
Ma. Platonic or couple with Mr. Jang - don't know, don't care.
- SML / SFL - uninteresting tropes - same treatment as above. Prefer engaging secondary couples with their own issues and love stories.
However, since they are in this drama, mildly interested in what they did to the otp in Joseon.
- very aptly said there are too many loose ends which are also very random.
Stalker
PJ thief
Vodoo doll
Random kid eating with Hong-jo
... got more but just can't be bothered to list them all out.
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23 hacja
September 15, 2023 at 9:27 PM
Great comments, everyone, led by @unit who in my opinion has set exactly the right tone in recaps. As usual, well done.
So here is my take--recognizing the validity of all the others. I'm with @attiton on this one: enjoy it BECAUSE of the flaws. (Except if it makes the evil stalker gay. Then drop it immediately! I am serious about this.)
First a couple of you have expressed concern about the bloody hand, understandably so. What has happened to it? Has it been hit by a white truck? Well, I might be wrong, but I think I could be reassuring: The bloody hand will be back,baby! Which episode, I don't know, but I guarantee you that you and all of us bloody hand stans will be totally satisfied.
Second, about the 2FL affair. I could see it coming a mile away. Its true, that most 2fL are guilty of nothing but absurd clinging to the ML, so they get annoying because they don't have the smarts to see that even though they are stunningly beautiful, brilliant in other ways and and talented, the ML is just not into them. But this one engaged in BULLYING IN HIGH SCHOOL. As we know, in Kdramas that means for sure she is having sex with the most evil guy in the show, because BULLYING IN HIGH SCHOOL is the ultimate sin, and you should be put in jail for life.
Third, the heroine: here I'm really going to have to disagree with some of you. I think she is great. The love spell was a moment of weakness, but she's paid for that multiple times. She has no trouble telling the ML off for his his semi-two timing, and calling it as it is, he's a coward. Also, she has realized her crush is not the ideal guy that she hoped.
As for that 2ML--he's getting way too much credit in these comments for his bad sense of humor. Don't be fooled! I have the ability to tell jokes badly as well, and no one (except, fortunately, my wife) imagines that I'd be attractive as a partner. In fact, I'm sure this guy, even if he is not the stalker, is going to become even more controlling, as is typical of 2ML
Finally, let me just say something about Rowoon. He has now reached the stage of the show where his character should be showing great emotion. Luckily for him, the show's action seems like it will be moving to the Joseon era, so he has to wear a gat. No one can show any emotion wearing a gat, so he'll be safe. We can look forward to a stirring ending from him, whether it will be happy or bittersweet!
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Gikata
September 16, 2023 at 1:24 AM
You're overestimating the power of gats, their stoic magic isn't that foolproof)))
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Seon-ha
September 16, 2023 at 5:57 AM
You know, I’ve heard from both of you people (@gikata and @hacja) the word bittersweet in this thread a few times, and I’d like you to know that I would like you to cut that out. If this ending is bittersweet, I…well…I…*catches breath* well…I’ll be real sad.
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Gikata
September 16, 2023 at 7:50 AM
Wait, what? Are you sure you're not confusing me with someone else? I rarely use the word altogether, let alone while discussing dramas because I don't really believe in the conflicting emotions it represents. Most of my reactions to shows endings recently range from "sad and angry" to "VERY sad and angry" with occasional cases of "so bad I don't even care anymore". Bitter what again?)))
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Seon-ha
September 16, 2023 at 8:11 AM
Ha. I may have. My apologies :)
🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 1:46 PM
Bittersweet gives me Game of Thrones nightmares. Please don't let us use this word.
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Seon-ha
September 16, 2023 at 5:59 AM
I’ve developed a new name for this rhetorical styling of yours, @hacja. “Sarcastic Inside-Baseball.” I love it. It turns on having a deep knowledge of the tropes, but also a deep cynicism towards their exaggeration. Deeply delightful to read :)
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24 Beebop
September 15, 2023 at 9:27 PM
Yeah I wasn’t feeling this drama before the blatant cheating/two timing - call it what you want and now we’re firmly into this territory I’m firmly in the dislike drama camp. I don’t find either lead likeable and I’m not swayed by the swaying going on - I wish I was enamoured of the pairing because I can forgive ALOT when I am (see KTL). 2ML is ok and I needn’t mention 2FL. This is sad - I was determined to stick this out for the Joseon backstory because we’re promised Ro-woon in hanbok…
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 1:42 PM
We seem to be going to Joseon now ... tighten your girdles and gather your skirts ... we seem to be getting Rowoon in a hanbok this week.
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25 Nefret
September 15, 2023 at 11:22 PM
While watching the last episodes, I was convinced several times that I had missed a few important scenes. There was no other way I could explain what I had seen. First I was sure that Shin-ju hadn't got back together with his ex, then I was convinced that he must have broken up with her again. Each time I was proved wrong.
I miss the Shin-ju who thought he was under the influence of a love portion. Alternatively, I wish for the RED HAND back. The main thing is that this mess will end soon.
Fortunately, I am not emotionally attached to any of the characters, so it is with a certain masochistic pleasure that I stand by and await the trainwreck we are heading for.
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September 18, 2023 at 7:19 AM
The writing does seem disjointed as if we skipped ten steps ahead.
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26 Kurama
September 16, 2023 at 12:11 AM
Spell or no spell ?
I think the spell was effective :
- The location of the wooden box in the shrine of Jang Family ;
- The Shaman seems a real one and not a scammer ;
- When Hong-Jo went into the shrine, Shaman’s voice said : What took you so long to come here?
- The box was magic, it didn’t open mechanically ;
- The parallel scenes when Hong-Jo did the Love potion and the car accident. It was the last time we saw the red hand. I don’t think it’s a coincidence, she/it was stronger than usual, trying to kill Shin-Yu. I’m pretty sure it’s connected to Hong-Jo ;
- He doesn’t have issues with his right hand anymore ;
- The curse in the red book was using a straw doll like the straw doll with Shin-Yu’s name on it.
There are other magic elements, so it would be weird that the spells don't work.
Maybe the spell improves something already existing. And she didn’t need a fair skin spell. I mean in the past, it could have been useful but now, they get the famous Korean Beauty products!
The feelings of the heroes were vey confused during those episode, but more because they both were trying to deny them than really wondering if it's love. I liked the parallel with the scene of Shin-Yu who didn't remember because he passed out and Hong-Jo thinking to the kiss.
Hong-Jo doesn't react to Jae-Kyung, the guy missed the timing. I like him, so I'm kinda sad for him. But Hong-Jo lets her real personality get out when she's with Shin-Yu. She's funny, brave, caring and not shy. I'm impressed by her. She became a civil servant when the exam in Korea is very difficult without any help of her family and having left highschool. I really like how both of them like their job and are very competent and we can still see them working.
Shin-Yu’s couple looks more a family thing than a real couple. They don’t really do things together alone since the visit of the Palace. I would like to see Shin-Yu less passive with Na-Yeon. But I think he just doesn't want to go against his father at the moment. He's confuse and his father doesn't listen to him. The Mayor is kinda his boss too. It's not just a simple break-up. But he should decide very fast. After all, she slapped Hong-Jo!
I liked the scenes between our leads. I was sad for Hong-Jo when she read her name on his phone. She gave him one with meaning and he didn't even try to think about one. Whenever they're trying to be cold with each other or they care about each other, they have a lot of chemistry. Stop beating the bush!
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Kurama
September 16, 2023 at 3:07 AM
Oh I found funny to hear the poem The Flower by Kim Chun-Su.
In Extraordinary You, the FL, Danoh, gave his name to the ML. He was just Number 13 but she called him Haru (Day), thanks to him she could change her fate day by day.
In class, they studied this poem and the importance to give a name and I liked the parallel with their relationship flourishing too.
Extraordinary You had so many nice lessons!
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
September 16, 2023 at 1:11 PM
Aha! Great catch. I recognized the poem but couldn't remember where I'd see it before. EY is so much fun and so clever. I keep meaning to rewatch (with all my abundant free time, LOL).
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vienibenmio
September 16, 2023 at 7:13 AM
Her disappointment at the contact name thing was great angst and I loooved it
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Kurama
September 16, 2023 at 7:19 AM
He knew she will be disapointed and tried to hide it.
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Gikata
September 16, 2023 at 8:48 AM
I'm looking forward to see how he eventually changes it. Pls be sweet AND creative, name+heart emoji is so lame, gimme that trademark cheesy cringe back!
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Kurama
September 16, 2023 at 12:14 PM
Yeah, because at first, she put his name and she changed after. So he could make an effort. But for the 2ML, she put his name and a heart, so if Shin-Yu does it, she won't be able to complain :p
27 Tocannat
September 16, 2023 at 1:42 AM
I haven’t read all the comments, however the only person that knew they were going to the shrine to bury the box was the shaman. Perhaps there is a bigger plot twist to come of age old family rivalries with the shaman involved?!
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Gikata
September 16, 2023 at 3:30 AM
I believe shaman is playing some kind of twisted in methods Cupid here. She "serves the deity" aka doing whatever her divine patron orders her to... and leads are fated together, so her role is to ensure that, whatever it takes.
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Enigmah
September 16, 2023 at 5:14 AM
I have my questions on shaman too..black magic has already been started to remove longing between Shin-yu and HongJo , since she knows about existence of spells, she knows about black magic too..either she is doing or knows the one doing it.
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 9:54 PM
Shaman Lady though seemingly jovial is definitely sus ... again waiting for Joseon story to reveal her motivations.
At halfway point all plot points are open ... do we trust the writer to be able to resolve or even address all issues... or will we be left hanging on various random issues that were thrown in - never to be mentioned again.
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28 Mina00
September 16, 2023 at 7:30 AM
I can't believe it is only half of the drama! Love it! buttt this week's episodes were kind of seemed to have a different writing and directing! The scenery, the mood of the drama has been changed. I liked first 3 weeks beter 😁I skip his mom's and the friend's part I hope there will be no onather love story at that side.
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 9:43 PM
Upcoming Joseon era story is likely to be darker ... let's see how far they take it.
Not a fan of the mother - sunbae dynamic either.
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29 Xococo
September 16, 2023 at 8:41 AM
Am I the only one who thinks it’s a red flag that SML moved into Hong Jo’s building? Isn’t that the ultimates stalker move, though? As much as I want to like the SML I think he might be the stalker, not Garden Creep. (By the way, stop depicting gardeners as creepy or desperate, k-dramas.)
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 8:05 PM
Interesting spin if SML turns out to be the stalker ... perhaps Joseon era would reveal his motivations. Till now we have no information about him and these sudden "jokes" with Hong-jo seem to uncalled for, especially when he called her put on her feelings and then hurtful turned her down.
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30 ar_arguably romantic
September 16, 2023 at 10:17 AM
I feel protective of Hong-jo and still can't warm up to Shin-yu as being a worthy suitor for Hong-jo. I don't think he has her back, especially when he didn't warn Hong-jo about the pictures Nayeon had. He is opening Hong-jo up to ridicule. I have the odd, icky feeling that the drama is trying to say that it's okay that Shin-yu is still romantic-hero-worthy lead while cheating because his gf is cheating on him with a terrible jerk. If he can't draw the line, it doesn't bode well for his future relationship with Hong-jo after the final episode. They could end up having issues like the secondary couple in Fight My Way.
I'm also not feeling him pretty much laying the responsibility on Hong-jo by saying he was swayed, especially after it was proven that the spells didn't work (I'm still confused about this...so he almost pissed in his pants because the spell made him want to be close to her, but the spell wasn't real in the first place?) Take responsibility for your feelings, Shin-yu. I'm not feeling the low-key implication from the characters that Hong-jo is some sort of flirtatious seductress - which is what I'm guessing people accused witches of doing. I'm not sure if the writer is trying to make some commentary about discrimination against witches/shamans or if this was just some bad writing.
I want Hong-jo to be loved wholeheartedly. I don't want Shin Yu to feel drawn to her against his will. *cue Lizzie Bennett's rejection reply to Mr.Darcy's proposal*
And I want Shin-yu's mom to be loved too. I feel for her. Her husband is uncaring and Shin-yu doesn't seem the type to be affectionate to his mom. And if seeking her bliss means getting with her son's friend....i'm like "go get it!!". They look good together too. Though I think the drama is playing a bit coy with that relationship. Could just be a good platonic friendship.
That said - for the most part, I love the banter and dialogue in this drama. It's just got that rom-com rhythm that keeps me immersed and smiling. A lot of the individual scenes are pretty good too. I think we just needed someone to help with the big picture.
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 7:57 PM
The parts which are good are excellent - otp, her reaction to him the moment she opened her eyes in the haunted house, Hong-jo feels like a better version of herself with Shin-yu, more open and brighter somehow.
All those loose odds and ends of plot threads are distracting and not interesting at all - SLs, Stalker, PJ thief, co-workers (except Ms Ma), even Shin-yu's assistant in City Hall (usually an excellent drama trope) ... so meh.
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31 SP2022
September 16, 2023 at 11:07 AM
A random detail I really liked was the wardrobe choices for the fake date - instead of going for matching colours/tones that k dramas often us, it seemed like HJ was in the colour SY usually wears (all black) and SY was in the tones HJ has been wearing a lot (brown/neutrals).
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 7:33 PM
Not "random" at all. Painstakingly inserted by creative and duly noted by drama fans!
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 17, 2023 at 9:57 PM
Also the pink purse added a fun pop of color to the black outfit.
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32 Annie
September 16, 2023 at 6:25 PM
So here is what I don't understand:
1. what happened to the Red Hand? They don't know if the love he feels for her is because of the spell, but she also made a spell for his curse (while misspelling the Chinese word). Does he feel better now, so the spell was effective anyway, which means the love spell might be effective too? Does the Red Hand still trouble him, so the spell failed, and then it's clear the love spell failed too? We haven't seen it since the beginning. They talk a lot about the love spell but say nothing about the illness spell, which started it all.
2. Also, if it's a curse in the family, and at the ceremony before demolishing the temple there was his grandpa, I think, who was 70 years old, and was the only one to have survived the curse and reach such an age - what about his dad? Why isn't his dad suffering and getting worried that his time might come? Or is it from his mom side of the family and I missed it somehow? And even so, his parents should be more worried, since they probably know about the curse...
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indyfan
September 16, 2023 at 8:15 PM
I think we're all wondering and hoping the writers didn't forget about the Red Hand and the curse. But we're about to head back to Joseon so...
Others will remember better, but early on I think the father mentioned it manifests differently in each generation. So the father was also ill but it was treatable. I could remember wrong tho. What seems off to me is that the mother doesn't seem to know. But then the father doesn't seem to share much with the mother.
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33 The prolific Adesam
September 17, 2023 at 1:36 AM
It's the "the fearlessness of K-drama male leads should be studied" for me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
September 17, 2023 at 1:48 AM
🥳welcome to the DB comments section we hope you will have fun here and find other dramas you want to comment on too. Sorry, I missed your initial comment I wasn’t watching that drama.
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34 🌸 Seeker 🌸
September 18, 2023 at 12:14 AM
Spells - Do they work?
1.Love potion
I say half and half. Shin-yu was already intrigued by Hong-jo and his feelings were amplified by the love potion. No clue as to why he was so lovelorn one minute and then not...? He definitely has feelings but is now able to control them better? Btw not a fan of inexplicable past life attraction so there's that.
2. Cure Disease Spell
Seems to have worked 100% - only discomfort seems to be his racing heart on seeing Hong-jo 😀
3. Disaster Nullification Spell
This has also worked 100%!! The straw doll curse to dispel longing between Shin-yu and Hong-jo has been nullified by Hong-jo's flower mistake. Yeah ... that's me calling you out show!!
Shin-yu's feelings don't seem to be diminished (cannot condone the kiss), he is however managing it better (?) but his longing gazes towards Hong-jo have intensified.
4. Fair SkinSpell
Again half and half as a Beanie pointed out Shin-yu and Jae-kyung don't find any difference but her co-workers and the secretary do!
So out of the four spells we have seen, two seem to have worked out 50% and two have worked out 100%.
I think spells only work 50% and the secret sauce to make them work 100% is the parties' intention.
QED
■ Spell efficacy 50% | Parties intention 50%
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 18, 2023 at 6:46 AM
Fair skin does not prevent blushing - on the contrary! So though I can see nothing but a thick layer of makeup, I side with the co-workers, who do not have anything at stake in that game.
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brimmingover
September 18, 2023 at 7:49 AM
I think Jae-kyung was prepared to say the spell didn’t work, no matter what.
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35 DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 18, 2023 at 4:48 AM
I wrote a post ... more like three posts, it continues in the comments, twice, ... about Jae-kyung. You are welcome to get an overview, and to disagree, agree, or even better, elaborate.
https://www.dramabeans.com/members/CecilieDK/activity/1456003/
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36 brimmingover
September 18, 2023 at 6:56 AM
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37 brimmingover
September 18, 2023 at 7:05 AM
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38 brimmingover
September 18, 2023 at 7:19 AM
I’m losing patience with this drama. It’s definitely my own fault. I have a strict (weird) rule about only watching dramas that are complete. That way, I choose my stopping point, and have the option to keep going and going. It makes for a better experience, for me.
I often read the last episode recap on Dramabeans before investing in a drama just to make sure that the ending is relatively happy.
I don’t do this with books or movies, just dramas.🧐🤪
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39 brimmingover
September 18, 2023 at 7:46 AM
Confession#2- the situation with Na-yeon barely registers as cheating to me. Shin-yu initially expresses doubts about dating Na-Hein, later breaks up with her then pops up in photos showing him having a romantic interlude with Hong-jo! How does Shin-you respond to the evidence of his perfidy?! He is honest and admits that he has feelings for Hong-jo. If Na-yeon was acting in good faith, she would have suggested that they take a break or do counseling etc. Her decision to barrel through shows that there is something she wants from the marriage that has nothing to mutual love and respect for a lifetime.
One more thing. Na-yeon knows a wedding date is set and doesn’t tell Shin-you. She watches the dad announce it. How awful to contemplate marriage to someone who doesn’t have your back at all.
I agree with those who point out that Shin-you is a victim in the engagement scenario.
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40 SooHa
September 18, 2023 at 10:40 PM
I really can't ship the OTP because he doesn't break off with his jerk girlfriend as much as his confession always swayed me.
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41 Vladdles
September 18, 2023 at 11:12 PM
A quick observation: I think the spells have actually worked, the love spell initially triggered Shin-yu's overt behaviour towards Hong-Ju however he was obviously drawn to her beforehand and now that he does sincerely care for her the spell has become irrelevant. The fair skin spell has also worked as others have commented on Hong-ju's appearance however the change goes undetected by both Shin-yu and Jae-gyeong as they already see her as beautiful.
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42 ScreenName
September 20, 2023 at 5:43 PM
I’m getting worried I won’t be able to chat with you guys. It’s taking multiple unsuccessful attempts to log into dramabeans before I somehow finally squeeze in. Thought I’d comment on the chance I might not be able to get in again!
Episode #9
[SPOILER]
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
September 20, 2023 at 6:23 PM
There have been some significant issues on the site see the memes on the fan wall over the last few days🤣 Multiple logins have occurred for me too recently but on the whole it is returning to normal. We will all be here when you get things working consistently again😊
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ScreenName
September 20, 2023 at 6:43 PM
Think my response got eaten by yet another glitch. Thanks so much for letting me know others are having the same issue!
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43 DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
September 22, 2023 at 4:24 AM
While waiting for the 9-10 recap, if anyone wants to discuss what just happened, there's like a beautiful Gifmorama at @attiton 's fan wall, a friendly feud on the personality of Jae-kyung on her fan wall as well as mine, and I would like to hear your opinion on bracken and on frost, specifically.
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44 Lalla32
October 6, 2023 at 1:51 PM
I am slowly catching up. What I really don't understand here is why the FL is interested in Shin Yu. I mean, I can see why Shin Yu is interested in her. She is kind, nice and passionate and so on... but Shin Yu is very unpleasant. He says nice things about her every now and then because he has no power over his feelings for her. But apart from that and his personal interest, he has never been particularly kind, nice or funny. He treats her like an inferior who doesn't deserve his attention. He is often rude, imposing and very contradictory. In fact, if it wasn't for Rowoon beautiful face and my affection for him, I would find the character very detestable. Is she falling for him because its destiny or because of his perfect face? Or because he is very ready to declare his love? I'm not able to really care for them as a couple...
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