Call It Love: Episodes 11-12
by Dramaddictally
Our heroine is in a bind. Caught between duty to her family, a life-changing love, and the guilt of her small acts of revenge, she bides her time through more lies of omission. But now that Mom is in town, the pressure is rising and it won’t be long before the truth comes spewing out. In the interim, our ever-likable leading lady decides to follow her heart — right to the doorstep of our hero.
EPISODES 11-12
They did it! Is it too petty to start with that information? The thing is, it’s a big milestone for our leads to feel so close to each other. And when they finally get around to kissing (etc.!), all that emotional closeness gets captured on camera. The eleven episodes of buildup did their job, making for a super hot impactful scene.
Surrounding this lovely moment (which I swear I only watched four or five times), the episodes are chock full of reasons why Dong-jin should be named boyfriend of the year — from showing up with a surprise birthday cake for Woo-joo to not caring if everyone at the office knows they’re a couple. And Miss Woo-joo is the epitome of adorable herself, texting Dong-jin to let him know she won’t be at work… in case he gets worried. These two have entered top-OTP-of-all-time territory.
A lot of events this week revolve around Mom, also known as KIM HYUN-JOO (Kim Hee-jung). When she appeared at the close of last week’s episodes, I got very nervous watching the Shim siblings cower in front of her. Just how scary was she going to be? One thing this drama does well (out of many) is that it knows how to set up expectations and then demolish them.
So far, Hyun-joo hasn’t presented much of an obstacle at all. In fact, I’ve only known her for about two hours but I like her already — a lot, actually. The kids lay one piece of disappointing news in front of her after another, but once she’s had time to be upset and process it, she comes back clear and wise. And she knows her kids, especially Woo-joo, very well.
Hyun-joo is staying at Joon’s house with the rest of the family and Woo-joo opens up to her quite a bit more than I expected. She tells her mom that Hee-ja is living in their old house, and then confides in her about what she did at her father’s funeral. She thought she’d get a funny story out of it, but since that day she’s had a heavy heart and feels sorry. Both women cry — and Lee Sung-kyung gives a knock-out performance, restrainedly breaking down before our eyes.
Woo-joo takes Mom to see Ji-gu at the noraebang where he works. Immediately, Ji-gu hauls Woo-joo to a private room and warns her that Dong-jin is there with the aforementioned birthday cake. He knows that Dong-jin and Hyun-joo shouldn’t meet — because of Dong-jin’s mom.
Woo-joo gets nervous at first, but Ji-gu is not entirely correct in what he knows. He remembers that Dong-jin’s mom was a friend of their mother’s, but he thinks the two moms fought over money a long time ago and that’s why they’re not friends anymore. He doesn’t get that Dong-jin’s mom is the woman their dad left them for.
When they come out of the room, it’s too late. Dong-jin and Hyun-joo are sitting together, happily chatting away. Hyun-joo has already fallen for Dong-jin (because, who wouldn’t?) and sends him and Woo-joo off for birthday celebrations while she and Ji-gu go home. She tells Ji-gu that Dong-jin seems like such a decent guy, which is rare to find.
Woo-joo and Dong-jin go for dinner, where Woo-joo learns that Dong-jin likes Hyun-joo as much as she likes him. He says Hyun-joo was down to earth and didn’t ask the profiling, judgmental questions that most moms would. Instead, she just wanted to know: “What do you like about my cold daughter?” She continued by saying that Woo-joo acts cold out of fear because she’s actually so warm-hearted that when she cares about someone, she pours her whole heart into them. Dong-jin replied that he likes Woo-joo because she’s not so sweet — and says he liked her first. (He wins all the points.)
On the night that Woo-joo goes to Dong-jin’s apartment to “collect Ji-gu’s things” (a.k.a., to sleep over), Dong-jin opens up about his mom. “My mother is my weakness,” he says. “A weakness I want to hide.” Because of that, he tried to be nice to everyone, but he often got used in the process. He’s telling Woo-joo this so he doesn’t make the same mistake he made with Min-young — he wants it to work this time. Woo-joo, for better or worse, does not use this as an opportunity to tell the truth about who she is or how she knows his mother.
Woo-joo “just wants to be with him right now” and calls Hye-sung to cover for the fact that she’s not coming home. (Although, as it turns out, Mom knows exactly where Woo-joo is and she’s cool with it.) Woo-joo tells Dong-jin how much she likes him — so much she wishes everyone else in the world would disappear. That — as you can imagine — leads to the first kiss. And these kisses are not squee material — they’re more like “I can’t even breathe” material.
While all this is happening, Woo-joo is under a lot of pressure to tell Dong-jin the truth. No longer is it a matter of trying to end things with him (we’re way past that) or even just protect her family. The bigger issue is that Sun-woo has learned about Woo-joo’s involvement in trying to ruin Best Fairs. When he confronts Woo-joo, she admits to it and Sun-woo wants her to tell Dong-jin herself. She agrees, but says she’ll wait until her contract is up. So, the poor thing is terrified of what’s going to happen when Dong-jin finds out, and she’s trying to spend as much time with him as possible before that.
On the home front, Hyun-joo doesn’t believe that the kids’ father would leave their house to Hee-ja (and we’ve been getting clues that she’s correct). While she’s seeking information, she hears that Woo-joo already knows Hee-ja’s son — since he left his business card for her. Hyun-joo is angry that Woo-joo didn’t convey this information and asks for the full story.
Woo-joo tells her mom and brother a version of events that seem to be what she would like to have happened. She says that Hee-ja’s son had nothing to do with the house. She met him and he apologized to her sincerely. He looked like he had suffered as much from his mom as they did from their dad, and she forgave him. But, when Hyun-joo asks if there’s anything else she’s hiding, Woo-joo says no. (And I feel like she’s getting Dong-jin in trouble with Mom here as much as herself.)
Jumping tracks for a sec, I can’t leave out Hye-sung’s confession to Joon this week. After she cries in his arms about her (now ex-) boyfriend, Joon tries to console her by telling her to fill her prescriptions with him from now on — he’ll take care of those things for her. Hye-sung’s heart flutters and Joon holds her wrist to check her pulse. But when she says it’s fluttering because of him, he practically flings her arm away and leaves without a word.
Later, they have a confrontation at his pharmacy, where he snaps that it’s not okay for her to like him — he’s not some guy off the street that she can break up with at any time. Much later, Joon ends up apologizing and admits that he was upset because he feels uncomfortable in so many areas of his life — he doesn’t want to feel uncomfortable around her too.
We close this week with a seemingly happy scene at the noraebang, where the family and Joon have gathered to finally hear Ji-gu sing. Dong-jin arrives, looking for Woo-joo, and joins the group as well (which makes Mom happy). Ji-gu sings and the camera pans around the room, all smiles except Woo-joo — who’s worried.
You know, when I look around the room during that last scene, I feel like, why can’t they all just be a happy family? Dong-jin is looking for a reason to cut his mother out of his life. He’d definitely do it for Woo-joo (and now that he’s found out Hee-ja was harassing Min-young for money I feel like it’s coming no matter what).
Is it possible the problem is mostly in Woo-joo’s head? I mean Mom has been so cool about most things up to this point once she has a chance to process and calm down. She already loves Dong-jin. Maybe she’ll find out the truth and just get over it. Who wouldn’t want that pretty face as a son-in-law?
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1 westberlin
April 1, 2023 at 10:31 AM
Okay, but that kiss was so hot, it was raw and beautiful. All the emotions shone through.
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2 DancingEmma
April 1, 2023 at 10:47 AM
They did it, and then they DID it! Don’t bury the lede!😂
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FiyaShady
April 1, 2023 at 11:02 AM
🤣
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3 Blue (@mayhemf)
April 1, 2023 at 11:07 AM
I see what took @dramaddictally so long to post recaps. Someone has been busy rewatching certain scenes. 😅
Yes! They did it.
No need to guess.
The phone conversation between the sisters was lovely. It summarizes Woo Joo. When unni asked ‘why do you say it like you are dying?’ we get to know exactly how much Woo joo worries over matters. I like to believe it will be a non issue for Dong Jin. Knowing she fell for him in spite of his weakness/mother will only give him more reasons to love her. I mean she is a victim of his mothers actions and yet she loves him and wants to be with him.
KYK is hot 😍. Time to free his forehead and unleash the sexiness in its entirety.
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FiyaShady
April 1, 2023 at 11:13 AM
Right? He so smexy in the Singles Magazine photoshoot. Glad that he was pairing with LSK, they are both damn gorgeous in those pictorial.
I know it is a thing in SK to have bangs down on forehead but most of male actors are super hot when they have their hairs up (remind me of line in Kill Me Heal Me: SSG up, CDH down 😅)- like why hiding those beautiful forehead 🤭
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Sifimoyo
April 1, 2023 at 1:10 PM
I hate the pudding-bowl cut as well, with the actors eyebrows and half their eyes invisible. Eyebrows add so much to expression! I prefer the ML in his previous drama Secret Life of my Secretary, he has eyebrows and forehead showing and he is GORGEOUS!
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PYC
April 1, 2023 at 8:54 PM
Well, my observation is that the bowl cut is typically used for male characters who are yet to come out whatever ho hum they are in.
The only exception is Hyun Bin’s character in Kim Sam Soon. He started as an ultra alpha ML with trendy haircut but when he finally admitted to his own feeling, he rocked up Hallasan with a bowl cut to confess to Sam Soon. That boyish look really wows after him being a jerk for almost the entire time.
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pickleddragon
April 1, 2023 at 8:56 PM
KYK with freed forehead in the flashbacks! That's the KYK I want on screen now. :/
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4 FiyaShady
April 1, 2023 at 11:08 AM
Why it has to be 16 eps? 🤧🤧🤧 (me rolling on the bed when just found out it wasn't finish series yet 🤦🏻♀️)...
So far, the writing part still strong. Cross finger it will ended well.
Seems both of OTP losing weight kind of alot when filming this drama.
Aaahhĥhh, when you are so invested and determined to finish in one sit but you are totally mislead 🙃🙃🙃 (spank on my wrist for clicking the play button!)
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Qingdao: likes scented candles
February 2, 2024 at 10:30 AM
Oh, that kiss and the completion.....
The karaoke room could have been a happy ending...almost. The pacing on this drama is exquisite.
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5 Kafiyah Bello
April 1, 2023 at 12:18 PM
A well well earned kissed. WOOOOO. These were lovely episodes. My only hope and prayer is that the last 4 episodes don't disappoint. It has been nearly perfect up until this point. Don't ruin us show.
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6 Ally
April 1, 2023 at 12:20 PM
Who else is having an anxiety attack the longer Woojoo doesn’t tell the whole truth! Too many people have connected the dots and there’s almost no way Dong-Jin doesn’t already know why she’s at his company. Right? He already knows, right? And he loves her anyway, right?
But omg, I just died when she said she’d stay over. Finally, a female lead that says what we all want her to do. 😂 Because dang if I wouldn’t have jumped KYK’s bones right then and there!
And I also laughed at the absurdity of the family meeting at the norabang. But it ended up so sweet. This writer is talented, will definitely look forward to their future dramas.
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LaurenSophie
April 1, 2023 at 1:14 PM
You know, I really believed all along that Dong-jin had figured it out before, and it's only in the last two episodes that I've wavered, because the show clearly wants us to think he is ignorant of Woo-joo's full identity. Now that's either because he really doesn't know, or the writers are again going to subvert our expectations and take a different path with the reveal--i.e. he already knows, but he has a secret that shakes everything up.
Still, even in these episodes, we had Dong-jin admitting to Sun-woo that he knew it was Woo-joo's birthday because he had seen and memorized the date on her resume. But he didn't note her last name, google her, or connect the dots starting with her rant in the supermarket about the truth behind why she lost her house? I don't know. It seems preposterous that he wouldn't have figured out that her father was married to his mother a long time ago.
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sana1800
April 1, 2023 at 3:34 PM
Me too!!! I thought he already knew who she was and it was just a question of how much he knows. He doesn't know about her talking to the ex employee but about his mom he has to have figured it our right? That supermarket rant and her hating his guts at the beginning and the realtor lady there were plenty of clues. He's so quietly observant especially when it's anything about her that her that it would be a surprise if this all comes as a shock to him. I figured he was just being his quiet un-imposing self and letting her talk about it when he's ready. BUT these last two episodes is making me question that theory. Would he be that relaxed talking with Woojoo's mum is he knew who she is? This is the guy who did his best to track down the siblings to formally apologize for something that is not his fault at all. I guess he'd be wracked with guilt when he finally met the wife of the man his mom had an affair with.
Anyway I wanna congratulate the show for making me sympathize with Minyoung ( I hate cheaters so this is surprising). And Suho is another character that could have been used as only a plot device but he was handled really well. The only person without any redeeming qualities is DJ's mom. I love the siblings and the ML and Jun. Please let them all be happy dear drama gods. The ML's mum on the other hand can disappear for all I care.
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SEDH
April 2, 2023 at 8:22 AM
We didn't actually hear the conversation between Dong-jin and Woo-joo's mom so maybe she recognized him as her former-friend's son? She clearly didn't know that Heeja was living in their old house but maybe she knows that he is entirely different from his mother. Maybe that's why she thinks he's so decent and keeps asking Woo-jin if she's hiding anything else?
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Qingdao: likes scented candles
February 2, 2024 at 10:33 AM
Since they were friends, did Woo-joo's mom know that Dong-Jin takes after his father, perhaps?
pickleddragon
April 1, 2023 at 9:17 PM
I'm sticking with Dong-jin knowing about Woo-joo's backstory already, or at least some of it. I felt that his statements (about his mom etc) in ep11-12 were an invitation of sorts to her to reveal the truth, but she chose not to. Given how this drama has been, I will not be surprised if we're told later that DJ does know, and when either Woojoo or Sunwoo do eventually try to tell him the truth, he shrugs it away as if it's no big deal.
Or, let's put it this - I'd like that this is how the rest of the story unfolds. That would be the one way to get to a reasonable resolution to this whole miserableness Woojoo has locked herself in. Otherwise, I can't see an HE at this point. Maybe an open ending in a best case scenario.
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SEDH
April 2, 2023 at 8:18 AM
There was also the scene in episode one where they are both at the same restaurant (she with jun) and she learns that her father has died. They even exchanged words regarding who ordered bottles of Soju. And, we know from Jigu that their mothers were friends at one point, so maybe they even met as kids? I think he knows and is waiting for her to open up to him.
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7 LaurenSophie
April 1, 2023 at 1:08 PM
So. Many. Thoughts.
First, this may sound weird, but the thing I liked most about the kisses (besides the fact that they were perfectly timed at this point in our story) is that we could hear the actual sounds their mouths made when they met. Usually in kiss scenes, we get swelling music, or a close-up of one character's wide-eyed stare of surprise, or their lips fuse together with no air between them. But as with so much about this drama, the kiss/love scene was very natural looking and feeling, and as a result, both vicariously thrilling and very moving. Well done, PD and actors!
I admit that I struggled a bit to understand Woo-joo in these episodes. As Dramaaddictally said, it's probably true that Woo-joo's main impulse right now is simply to spend as much time as she can with Dong-jin before she leaves the job and tells him the truth (roughly at the same time), because that will then be the end of the relationship. I can't tell, though, if she thinks she can't be with him because of her family, or because it would hurt him to be with a woman with this kind of relationship to his mother. I can tell she wants to spare everyone else pain and intends to ignore her own, but Dong-jin is so deserving of love that she really shouldn't let him think she's as all in as he is. I can tell he's already married to her in his mind, so it's hard for me not to hate her just a little bit for not just sleeping with him, but also letting Dong-jin believe she is equally committed to him. He is so wonderful with her in every way, and so desperate for love, that I just want her to hold onto him tight--not destroy his heart or tell him lies or push him away.
I do love the transformation we've seen with Dong-jin from slouchy, melancholic misanthrope to devoted, honest, and incredibly loving boyfriend. And I can see that Woo-joo has changed, too--she's softer in both speech and reactions, and she doesn't hide her obvious love for Dong-jin whenever their eyes meet. But because she's holding back the truth, and is miserable about it, we haven't had the chance to see her truly happy. I would really like to before the drama is over.
I am also enjoying whatever is going on with Hae-sung and Jun. I can't even say if I think they should date or remain friends, because I'm not sure what would be best for them at this point. Is Jun's basic nature that much like his father's (so he should be free to avoid romantic attachments if they make him deeply uncomfortable) or is his trauma from his childhood preventing him from taking a chance on something his heart truly desires? For her part, Hae-sung has dated enough that may need to learn to be comfortable being alone. Or is it simply that she's dated the wrong men, and so being with the right guy--Jun--is what would make her happiest and the most fulfilled? Either way, I trust this show to convince me that the answer they come up with is the right one for these characters.
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DancingEmma
April 1, 2023 at 1:45 PM
Why would you hate her even a little but for sleeping with him? Sex should be normalised and it took them considerably long time in narrative terms to get there. She shouldn’t be blamed for it in any way. Marriage isn’t the happy end game for everyone. They should be free to be with each other and if they want to get married, so be it.
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LaurenSophie
April 1, 2023 at 2:07 PM
I'm so sorry I wasn't clear. I do not hate her for sleeping with him. I agree with you: sex is a normal, healthy expression of love and intimacy. What I meant to express is that by sleeping with him and confessing her feelings she is simultaneously giving him every reason to think they are both committed to being together for the longterm, and in her head, planning to tell him a truth that she believes will devastate him, and then leave him. That makes me feel protective of Dong-jin, even though I understand that Woo-joo is torn, a beautifully complex and flawed character, and a sexual being who should have sex with anyone she wants.
I hope that makes sense.
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DancingEmma
April 1, 2023 at 2:30 PM
I hear you. You are always so eloquent and nuanced. I could’ve given you the benefit of the doubt but I was irritated by something else entirely unrelated to this so am sorry too.
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LaurenSophie
April 1, 2023 at 2:36 PM
No worries--I've been there, too.
I'm glad you posted because I would never want to give the impression that I was attacking any character for having (consensual) sex.
MikeyD signed up
April 1, 2023 at 3:40 PM
Its become apparent that Woo-joo, for all her toughness and bravado, is a fragile person. 3/4 of her scenes this past week she's seemed on the verge of spontaneously shattering if touched. She's got it in her head that the relationship is ultimately doomed for family reasons and is negotiating with the universe for one day more, just one day more.
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SEDH
April 2, 2023 at 8:24 AM
Yes, exactly! I"m in awe of Lee Sung Kyung's acting here - she has so much emotion in her eyes and posture, so much unsaid, just barely held back.
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ixion
April 1, 2023 at 3:43 PM
You bring up such a great point about the kiss scene. The sounds of their mouths as they kissed shocked me because I also was expecting a swell of music. It made the scene so much more intimate and perfectly encapsulated their introverted love.
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PYC
April 1, 2023 at 9:04 PM
I think a female director (and female writers) know what they are looking for in an intimate scene like this. Very well done and touched our heartstrings to max - so tender and so intimate.
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pickleddragon
April 1, 2023 at 9:42 PM
Some of the directorial and cinematographic decisions have been absolutely fantastic in this show. I'm definitely going to be watching more by this team!
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SEDH
April 2, 2023 at 8:27 AM
Agreed - I did have a chuckle, though when Hulu's inserted the subtitle (smooching) during that scene, which was almost as good as the subtitle (munching) during every eating scene.
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8 lapislazulii
April 1, 2023 at 2:55 PM
I still haven't processed THAT scene and am still in the replaying over and over again mode, so I have nothing of use or coherency to add to that conversation for now 😂
But a moment for Suho. I, like a lot of people I presume, didn't think Suho was going to get this nuanced role. I thought he'd be the typical young jerk used for brief scenes to highlight Hyesung's struggle and act as the catalyst for her change. And whilst he did spurr her to change (arguably Jun also had a part to play with it too), I didn't see that 'why won't you argue with me or make me take accountability' conversation coming at all. I was weirdly equally heartbroken for him as well, especially when you could tell that he was suffering over it. And whilst he made some uncalled-for comments, you could tell he was lashing out because he was hurt (which isn't excusing him but it's human, it happens). I've sat there and wanted to say those excact same things to people before - Why won't you argue with me? Why won't you fight for us? - and I've also been on Hyesung's end of things where I've just come to the realisation that a relationship stopped working a long time ago and I'm tired of trying to keep up the charade. So maybe it's because of projection but I found that scene quite moving, I felt equally sad for both of them, and also impactful - sometimes media makes you believe that breakups need some kind of big ticket disaster or betrayal to trigger them but we don't have enough scenes in media where a relationship does just fizzle out, there's just incompatibility or what each person wants out of the relationship isn't aligned anymore.
Anyways, I'm praying on my knees that our couple get through all the reveals in tact next week for a happy ending 🙏
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Kathykat
April 1, 2023 at 3:05 PM
I agree. I thought that scene was really well done too.
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indyfan
April 1, 2023 at 7:19 PM
That scene really surprised me as well. I didn't expect to feel sad for Suho at all, but I did. I totally understood Hyesung's hurt when she overhead him before. But it was such a mature response on Suho's part. The writers did well to capture someone transitioning from the callowness of youth to the more mature man he might become.
I feel the writers have overall done a great job in capturing the mother's complex character too. In fact, so many others as well. It does make Heeja's one-note villainy stand out tho.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
April 1, 2023 at 8:44 PM
Every character is quite nuanced. No one is written for plot conveniences, not that I can think of.
Hee-ja- I felt like the writers were drawing a parallel here. Both she and Hyesung are people who cannot be alone. One serial married while other serial dated.
Doesn’t excuse HJ’s greed and callousness towards others feelings (including her own son).
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lapislazulii
April 1, 2023 at 10:02 PM
That's such an interesting parallel that I didn't think of but I see what you mean!!!
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pickleddragon
April 1, 2023 at 9:21 PM
Heeja is grating me. She, her boyfriend and the hairdresser aunt. For a show that's done so well with side characters, this central bunch of characters is done all wrong.
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lapislazulii
April 1, 2023 at 10:01 PM
Yes couldn't agree more, I had the exact same thought - the fact that almost everyone's character is written with depth really does make Heeja's villainy stand out. Which makes me think, was it intentional? There's so much thought that you can tell has gone into every aspect of this drama, so why make the mum so 'one-dimensional' seeming?
But in saying that I guess at least her villain-y does operate within a certain scope and it's pretty consistent if that makes sense. And there is a sense of some depth to her character in that we see she's struggling for cash, has a history of failed relationships and is just a pathetically pitiful character most of the time because we can see through her facade almost all the time. It's a bit different from other villains in dramas who are Evil, Rich, Chaebols that are evil 'just because'.
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indyfan
April 2, 2023 at 12:59 AM
I see what you mean. We can definitely see her ordinary struggles, her growing desperation. Still, she's played like some evil mistress in some old school makjang drama...so far. But four episodes left to make it more interesting.
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9 MikeyD signed up
April 1, 2023 at 3:29 PM
I'm not convinced that was the first time they 'did it'. The show was as circumspect about their sleeping together in the tent the previous week was as a Henry James novel, but I got the impression *something* had changed in their relationship, giving a possible break-up higher stakes.
I must say this drama is some of the best work from our leads, especially Lee Sung Kyung. Kim Young-kwang less so only because he's been so VERY good in so many other dramas.
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Dramaddictally
April 2, 2023 at 4:01 PM
totally agree. Even if all they did was cuddle up that night at the campground, the experience of going there (cooking together, talking, staying the night) was intimate enough to change the relationship.
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10 MikeyD signed up
April 1, 2023 at 3:55 PM
From the start I humorously referred to this drama as 'My Mister, but with the leads able to date'. I meant is as a compliment.
A minor shout-out to the second female lead, the actress Hani who I'd previously seen in more roles than I had realized. She's surprisingly well suited to playing tragic roles.
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11 jerrykuvira
April 1, 2023 at 4:33 PM
First off, I look forward to next week with trepidation. I don't want this beautiful love story to undergo any hiatus or space.
I give Hyun-joo every credit for her appearance this week. She's strong and resilient, also scary. She's a strong mother. I particularly liked the scene where she made breakfast, told the kids to come eat, balked them start eating immediately, told them to leave the dishes, and did the dishes herself. That was a really natural response, a true natural one. And it was well done.
Woo-joo highlighted something that gave me a pause. She worried about her siblings to the point that she does not even know what to worry about her own self. I like her self-sacrifice. And yes, any of them could have stepped up to do it, or none of them could have. I wished she could just put down the backpack, disappear into a camping ground, feel the air, whether or not the world burns. Someone like Dong-jin or her mom to give her a pat on the back and say ' Woo-joo, you've done well ', and she takes the complement in with all piece of mind, devoid of worry.
That kiss scene was hawt. Under the sheets didn't disappoint either. The 11-week buildup was worth it.
But please keep it that way. Or don't let things descend the way I'm fearing.
And just like most of us, I'm praying that Dong-jin knows her full identity, even if not her full story.
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jerrykuvira
April 1, 2023 at 4:42 PM
I forgot Hye-sung and Joon. In the midst of everything that went down this week between this two individuals who I am also rooting for amongst others, I loved that Joon was the first person she picked an argument with over a relationship even though they haven't started one yet. I liked it when she blew her fuse at him, with all the fumes filling up the chimney. It's rare for a lovers tiff of their nature to be a signal for clicking together, this is one of those rare situations.
And for Joon, I want this to work out. If this sweet guy loses the 'air' that disturbs his boring peace, it is going to hurt real bad. Which is why if they ever become a couple, it has to work. This sounds desperate. Still, I want them to work, but not out of desperation. Put in the work.
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DancingEmma
April 1, 2023 at 6:06 PM
@jerrykuvira: As much as I have to come to like the interactions between Hyesung and Joon, a love affair is not worth risking their deepening friendship and trust. Hyesung needs to stop needing men - at least for a while - to validate her worth and place in the world. She needs to become comfortable in being alone. So far, she has learned that she can be deeply lonely in an intimate relationship that doesn’t work.
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jerrykuvira
April 1, 2023 at 6:11 PM
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DancingEmma
April 1, 2023 at 6:15 PM
Why did you delete your comment?😱😊
jerrykuvira
April 1, 2023 at 6:18 PM
@dncingemma my fingers unintentionally clicked on the send button while I was typing the second paragraph down there. My fingers thought I was done replying :)
jerrykuvira
April 1, 2023 at 6:14 PM
Yeah @dncingemma . I'm worried for them both. And I'm worried for Joon more. Can I safely say Hye-sung has a community she can lean on if they break up but Joon will have none. Which is why I want them both to make it work if they ever venture in.
But then, since Joon is in the let's-be-clear-on-why-I'm-not-doing-this stage, she'll be working on finding her worth as an single human.
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DancingEmma
April 1, 2023 at 6:21 PM
@jerrykuvira: I appreciate your concern for Joon. The 3 sibs love and respect him and even though they outnumber him, I hope the blood ties don’t ever take unreasonable precedence over caring for him as a member of their found family. It would be horrendous if the close bonds of this quartet gets frayed one day.
indyfan
April 1, 2023 at 7:24 PM
I also don't want an immediate relationship between Hyesung and Joon. I liked the scene of Hyesung eating alone. Let her get thru the initial discomfort of being single. Let her learn to love herself alone. Don't crowd Joon, let him work through his challenges at his pace as well.
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jajaskia
April 4, 2023 at 6:45 AM
On a side note, it really impressed me how nuanced every character in this show is, even Hyesung's friends at the bank. At first I think they're just some typical side characters who are envious of or get annoyed by Hyesung for no reason, but my perception changed after this episode when they try really hard to refrain themselves into inviting Hyesung for lunch, because they root for Hyesung's character development as much as we did. Maybe they subtly hated Hyesung's pretentious happy-go-lucky vibes because it is pretentious, they just wanted to shred that fake facade so she can be comfortably herself alone (or around them).
PYC
April 1, 2023 at 9:13 PM
@jerrykuvira and @dncingemma - so agreed with your take. You both can have a career in relationship counselling if not already in it :)
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pickleddragon
April 1, 2023 at 9:27 PM
Absolutely! Getting Jun and Hyesung together at this stage doesn't make sense. And for that reason, I really liked Jun's character arc this episode, because he went through the range of emotions and dialogue that you'd expect of someone in his position, instead of just giving in and becoming noona's #x.
Alongside this, though, it would have been nice if Jun's relationship with Woojoo had been explored more. He's the only one she's confided in completely, and who knows the whole story from start to finish (going to the funeral, revenge plans, Dongjin's real identity...). The story should have used this better. There's 4 eps to go yet.
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DancingEmma
April 1, 2023 at 9:36 PM
@pickleddragon: You made a good point about Joon’s under-utilisation as the original Woojoo confidante. Maybe, there is more to come on this as you said.
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
April 2, 2023 at 1:26 AM
Woojoo was deliberately avoiding Jun in these two episodes because she knows that he'll tell her that she's doing the wrong thing and needs to stop.
I actually loved the scene where she's at Dongjin's house and calls her sister instead of Jun. She wants to speak to Jun because he's the one who knows what's happening but also she doesn't want to speak to Jun because he'll tell her to get out of there. So she pretends to call Jun by calling her sister and then is resigned when he isn't there to tell her to come home instead.
In fact through these two episodes she carefully curated who she did and didn't speak to about who and what. I wanted Jun to pin her down (he was a bit distracted with the Noona Incident) because he's the one who knows what's really going on and will tell her to stop.
DancingEmma
April 2, 2023 at 1:44 AM
@leetennant: Your use of the verb “to curate” is really apt here. That’s exactly what she did. She is not a manipulative and sly person by nature but definitely has been planning to avoid/avoiding Joon. Hyesung was loving, supportive and empowering in their usual bickering way, and arguably what she needed and wanted at that point.
12 indyfan
April 1, 2023 at 6:51 PM
If you were delayed writing the recaps @dramaddictally while replaying these episodes, know you weren't alone! Those first kiss/first time scenes encapsulated some of the best aspects of kdrama romance (emotional resonance, restraint, etc) without its worst (fishbowl kisses, overwrought music, etc) and added some maturity (naturalness, mutual desire, etc).
I love how the character roles have reversed. Our ML is smiling away (in his muted way), taking charge of his emotions, declaring his feelings for all to see. Heck, he might even push back his bangs. On the other hand, FL has finally allowed herself to become emotionally vulnerable--and we feel her! It's all going to come crashing down.
The writers have done a great job in ratcheting up the anxiety. Danger is all around: her mother, her brother, Sun Woo, even Hee Ja coming back to live with her son. The next two episodes promise heartbreak. Weirdly, I can't wait.
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indyfan
April 1, 2023 at 7:07 PM
Also, some minor questions:
When the mother is taking the son to see the aunt, did she imply the aunt was lesser for having only two daughters? I surprised myself by really liking her multifaceted character. I hope I misread that.
I loved the morning-after breakfast scene where the ML eats while the PD layers a flashback of FL cooking breakfast for him earlier. Also appreciated the symmetry of both cooking for each other (and no one makes a big deal of the man cooking; it's just what we do for each other). However, how did he not wake up while she cooked up a feast? He was that tired? Now, I really wanted to see more of before. :)
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pickleddragon
April 1, 2023 at 9:29 PM
ya mom+son going to aunt had me wondering along the same lines too. I don't have an alternate answer.
those superimposed scenes are really done well! There's another where Minyoung and ML's mom are shown in their respective apartments as well, which was interesting too. These compositions are what I'm going to remember the show for, in no small measure.
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April 1, 2023 at 11:10 PM
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velvetstuff
April 4, 2023 at 1:12 PM
The son thing was probably just a "this is what I have that you don't." Like a "Look I have an expensive bag, and you don't. I have a daughter, and you don't." Not in the sense that sons are better than daughters. Just an immature desire to one-up her in something/anything.
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DancingEmma
April 1, 2023 at 7:39 PM
@indyfan: Your point about the reversal is really lovely. I second all you said.
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13 PYC
April 1, 2023 at 9:21 PM
It’s clear that everyone has been waiting eagerly for this recap - but what a great job you’ve done in filtering these two episodes dense with feelings and undercurrent @dramaddictally! THANK YOU!!
And so many incisive commentaries here. Please allow me to be shallow. I just want all heartaches to be done with in Ep 13 - 15. Pretty please for the last episode be one of bliss for everyone.
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DancingEmma
April 1, 2023 at 9:51 PM
@epyc2010: There is nothing shallow about what you wrote. In fact, it is a grace note.
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14 pickleddragon
April 1, 2023 at 9:41 PM
Thank you @dramadictally for the recap. We all understand why you took time :D
I've already wrung myself dry on my fanwall with my essays on these eps. TL;DR: I really like this drama, except that I liked these eps a little less than the rest. Unless the writer's going to pull something out of a hat, I'm getting ready to be burned.
Some other thoughts -
If Dongjin-Sunwoo's company is doing badly, why the heck don't they economise? the first thing I'd have done is get rid of that giant office floor and save on funds.
There's too much left for the last 4 eps, I feel it's going to be super rushed and am nervous already. E.g.,
- Dongjin has to learn the truth (if he doesn't know already);
- Woojoo's family has to also, and her mom has to be dealt with;
- Jigu and Suho and Hyesung have to figure out their connections;
- Heeja's current bf has to be sorted out;
- Hyesung-Jun have to sort themselves out;
- heck, Jun and Woojoo have to sort themselves out too;
- the house, what happens to the house?;
- are sunwoo and minyoung going to be left hanging (although that OTP makes me feel nothing);
- the darned fair has to be held at some point!
- Is Director Shin being let off just like that?
I'm sure there's more I've missed out on. That's a lot of stuff yet to happen. It's going to be messy, no?
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indyfan
April 2, 2023 at 1:12 AM
When you put it like that, uh, yeah, a lot needs to be sorted out (and I could think of a few points more). I hope it's not all rushed in the last four episodes; it won't match the pace of the series at all. (Or, you know, they could have cut out some of the slow walking earlier :)
>> If Dongjin-Sunwoo's company is doing badly, why the heck don't they economise? the first thing I'd have done is get rid of that giant office floor and save on funds.
They might be locked into a lease that's expensive to break. And they might be hoping if the exhibition goes well, then they'll fill it back up.
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
April 2, 2023 at 1:34 AM
As we've discussed, I'm closer to you on these issues than to others. I really wanted in particular the "revelation" of Woojoo's relationship to Dongjin's mother to be revealed long before he told her that she's his weakness. I know that Woojoo was planning to make sure he and his business were now okay before bugging out but things have gone way past that. What was a relatively small issue has now become a much bigger issue entirely due to her refusal to tell him. And, honestly, I'm not happy about it. It's this kind of angst that I wanted this drama to avoid. It's not necessary to tell this story and I was quite angry at her for pursuing this knowing that she's planning to pull the ripcord in the end. The idea he's going to be less hurt by her disappearing on him after all this than finding out that she did something momentarily stupid in anger is an inexplicable position for her to have at this stage.
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
April 2, 2023 at 1:37 AM
Also this is the first time I've felt this show's stunning production values were hiding poor plotting. I enjoyed the experience of watching these episodes despite my growing discomfort with what I'm increasingly seeing as the female lead's selfishness.
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indyfan
April 2, 2023 at 3:48 AM
I don't know what other discussion I'm stepping into, but I see WJ as someone deeply imperfect, stunted in her emotional growth. Someone more mature surely would have not entered this relationship in the first place, or at least owned up to the truth before going this deep. (Listen to your wise friends people!). But someone wiser would not have pursued such a poorly thought out revenge scheme as well. Instead, she slid, ever so slowly, down that slippery slope with DJ until she's drowning in the deep end. And she's been so emotionally walled off that once the dam has burst, she's just not able to steady herself amid these intense feelings. And it's clear, as much as she wanted it, she's now miserable with what she'd done and falling apart thinking of the consequences. Pretty consistent with both the actions and results her reckless character (car accident, the funeral, etc).
Is she planning on pulling the ripcord on the relationship? I missed that. I thought she knows that's inevitable, but somehow, stupidly, she might be able to salvage something. Hope, love, wishful thinking...
Maybe my different take is because the drama has made me sympathize with her, understand how she arrived at this terrible juncture, seen her suffer from the consequences even tho it is the result of her own reckless behavior.
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Rhena
April 2, 2023 at 4:24 AM
Exactly 💯
This is also my take, this drama is character driven so I think it invites us to try and see things from the characters' perspective. I personally feel she would have told him everything the day she went over to his house to collect jigu's things but how was she supposed to know he would pour out his heart to her that night and all,she might have been confused on where to start from plus her mom's presence is actually complicating everything. It seems like she just wants to enjoy his presence without feeling any angst at all and just begging the universe for one more day.
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Rhena
April 2, 2023 at 4:35 AM
I had to reply again because I love your nuanced and well articulated review , you are very good at emotional analysis.
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SEDH
April 2, 2023 at 8:44 AM
Fully agree - I don't see her actions as selfish so much as the actions of a deeply emotionally damaged person, a person who was abandoned and physically injured by her beloved father who left without a backwards glance. She has no map for how to handle these feelings other than dread and fear that Dong-jin too will leave her alone. Woo-joo's comments to her sister that she will regret staying but she just really wanted to be there; her statement to Dong-jin that if she was a kind person, she would have left, in fact her mind was yelling at her to leave but her body just wouldn't comply - she knows she shouldn't take then next step but she can't help herself, just as she couldn't help falling in love and caring deeply for her so-called enemy.
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Rhena
April 2, 2023 at 4:18 AM
I think we have to understand that this show isn't exactly "plot driven" but "character driven" so we can't just expect the characters to do what we want. Instead we are watching from the point of view of trying to understand each of the characters thought process,so I don't think it's exactly "bad plotting" because the writer did point the fact that two people ( jun and dong jin's best friend) are angry at her decision and can't seem to understand her , like we the viewers.
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indyfan
April 2, 2023 at 7:50 AM
Yes, that's it. If you follow WJ's point of view, her thought process, then many of the mini decisions taking her toward a relationship make sense. And mostly, she was enacting her revenge, then trying to undo the damage. She wasn't trying to seduce DJ. Yet, as he explained, it was precisely her brusque nature combined with her strength/support that made DJ fall for him, triggering her in turn.
However, objectively viewers can see (and as her BF warned) that her actions were leading to disaster. I also wanted to call her out at a couple points, such as when she agreed to go camping or when she did not confess when DJ said his mother was his weakness. She even calls herself out, but by then I think she's in too deep. In a clumsy way, she does explain she's always lived for others, her life dictated by her father's abandonment. But in that heady moment, she wished she could make the mess around her disappear and she can just love.
Of course, we all know that's not the way it works. She'll wake up to family, the consequences of her deceit, including on DJ. Yeah, she was completely reckless, but I understood, empathized how she got there even if I did not always agree.
Oh gosh, I need to stop commenting on this show. I'm just not that engaged by any other current drama. Watching a few in a desultory fashion, definitely not interested enough to comment on them. Thank god tomorrow is Monday!
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15 lapislazulii
April 1, 2023 at 10:11 PM
Back with another thought that popped up as I was reading through everyones brilliant commentary, analysis, and observations - I, until this very point, always considered the 'Love' in the title to be referring to romantic love but I've just realised that this show actually, very poignantly, explores love in so many different contexts and relationships. There's the exploration of not only romantic love, but also sibling love, the love between a mother and her children/child, the love between spouses (well past tense I suppose), the love between two friends, love lost/love fading between now exes, one-sided love, and the love between found family (like Dongjin and his 'uncle).
And I find it absolutely fascinating how this show is exploring all types of love in all of its forms and at different stages - whether it's just blooming, has been strengthened over time for a while, or is slowly fading away. Gosh though - you know it's art when really makes you want to write essays, despite not being confident you know the exact words to express everything you want to express.
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16 Anne18
April 1, 2023 at 10:39 PM
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MikeyD signed up
April 2, 2023 at 9:10 AM
The physical intimacy ups the stakes. she's not just at risk of losing someone she pities and has an innocent crush on. Also, there's the longstanding K-drama trope that the couple gets to consummate their drawn-out romance *once* before it all blows up in their faces. Happened in Business Proposal the same way.
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Rhena
April 2, 2023 at 9:18 AM
I personally feel that,with chemistry as thick as that (IMO),the ambience and tension between them that came with woojoo's confession , I'm sure a whole new wave of feelings came rushing through both of them and they just couldn't help it, so it's not surprising that they expressed those deep rush of emotions physically 🤷
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Anne18
April 2, 2023 at 10:17 AM
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Rhena
April 2, 2023 at 10:46 AM
Yess!
I second that too👍
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17 lexyk
April 2, 2023 at 2:56 PM
I hated that Woo-Joo had so many occasions to tell DJ the truth and didn't. The tension and angst were too much! They are just so cute, I want them to be free, especially Woo-Joo. But one could feel her burden and her struggles in finally telling him who she was (absolutely great acting here from LSK). I really do hope for no noble idiocy in the next weeks from Woo-Joo, i.e., I hope she won't just disappear like so make k-dramas like to do (side-eyeing you Interest of love 👀). I hope DJ won't take it as a betrayal but see her hesitation as evidence of her love for him.
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18 Anne18
April 2, 2023 at 10:06 PM
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