A show with so much potential that didn’t get delivered. Anyway it did have some memorable scenes. I would recommend rewatching your favorite cuts on Youtube instead of the whole show ^^
I have heard so much about it (and the bromance off screen) that I wish some magic person on the internet would edit the show to include only the best, in a chronological manner.
im mostly talking about Hae-ryung and Rim and her (non?)noble-idiocy rejection. I don’t understand why she’s rejecting him now…it seems like she’s been leading him on, in a way, if she always knew she didn’t like him enough to give everything up for him (i am NOT judging her for that…she should get to choose the life she wants, seriously. i commend this show for making that an option…but i don’t understand the timing, and i don’t understand really if she knows what she wants.) On @larelle79‘s wall someone says maybe she will realize what she really wants when its taken from her (based on previews for new episodes.) Maybe that’s what’s going on?
That being said, the crown prince and sa-hui is SUPER fascinating, for sure. I cannot wait to see what happens there. (Pro-tip to Councillor Min, though…why not just have Sa-hui marry JIN? get yourself a lot more power that way, and she’s less likely to fight against that. As a feminist, I reject that solution, but as a manipulative court official, I’m telling you, it’s the way to go.)
Chancellor Min’s first bet was his own daughter as Crown Princess, and Historian Song is his second bet, at taking over the royal family. He only has lust for power in mind; people are just game pieces to be used for his ends.
@larelle79
I meant aiming Historian Song at Rim… Either way, he gets his fingers into the royal family.
I thought how the Crown Prince chose to try and block Historian Song’s candidacy was interesting, because it potentially make *any* future marriage for her difficult for those times. That discussion must have been something else. What a way to give her the freedom to choose!
As I noted else where, GHR already told the prince that she did not want marriage and the inevitable cancellation of all her other hopes and dreams for herself. The prince was just not hearing GHR. This theme is replicated in Historian Song’s reaction on being put on the candidate brides list. She also sees marriage, especially to a prince, to be the end of her self.
It will be really interesting to see what *choices* these two women end up making in the end; I hope they both find happiness…but however their stories go, I hope that their choices are seen to matter, that they don’t end up being carried along by the maneuvers of the powerful.
Spoilers ahead⚠️️
When prince Yi Rim said he has no regrets because he tried his best in ep 33 the look on GHR’s face said otherwise so i guess she is also thinking about her rejection and how unfair it is to Yi Rim. She is practically in a rock and hard place.
4) Once upon a time there was a Renaissance man named Ho-dam. In addition to being a skilled scientist who ran a school called Seorowan, a father to a young girl who would grow up to be a female historian, and a member of the royal court, he was also a skilled novelist. He wrote a novel that exposed the wrongdoings of the current king (that told a story about a king taking the throne from someone else… alluding to someone closely connected to Rim? How does he fit into all this?), and so the king decided Ho-dam had to be silenced. Everything related to him and his school was destroyed and forbidden from being mentioned ever again. But there were a lot of great discoveries made in that school, and the Dowager Queen relied on one of the female doctor/scientists there…so she saved her and helped her hide. And of course, one of the Seorowan scholars saved Ho-dam\’s daughter, and raised her as his own sister, Gu Hae-ryung.
With all the loose threads Rookie Historian has lying around, there are so many insane theories you could come up with (assuming you are as insane as I am)…I apologize in advance, beanies. I am so sorry.
1) Once upon a time, there was a prince named Ho-dam. He was next in line for the throne, and his best friend was in line after him (I know nothing about the throne laws, so suspend lots of disbelief here). Anyway. Ho-dam was also in love with this best friend\’s wife, and they had an affair, and she got pregnant. The best friend was so infuriated that he killed Ho-dam and took the throne from him. But he didn\’t want to admit that his wife had had an affair, so he raised the boy as his own prince–a prince named Rim.
2) Once upon a time there was a court official named Ho-dam who had a school called Seorowan. He had a daughter there, but his wife had died many years ago. The queen, lonely because she was married to a horrible king, sometimes came to Seorowan to learn and be distracted from life. Gradually, the queen and Ho-dam fell in love. They had an affair, and the queen became pregnant. When she had the baby, she presented him as the king\’s own. But the truth will out. The truth will out, my friends, and tragedy will follow. When the king learned about his queen\’s affair, he destroyed Ho-dam, Seorowan, and everything related to them. He didn\’t realize that one of the Seorowan scholars had snuck Ho-dam\’s daughter out, and that she would grow up to be a rookie historian—who would then fall in love with her own half brother. Ew. Moving on.
3) Once upon a time there was a novelist named Ho-dam. He wrote a story, a novel, about two princes, one who didn\’t want to be king and one who did. The one who did not want to be king was, of course, heir to the throne, but he had no interest in court affairs. He spent all his time \”out in the field\” taking care of the people, and the younger prince realized that everyone loved him all the more for that. Blinded with jealousy, rage, amibition, and slight astigmatism, the younger prince killed the older brother and took the throne. — Thus ended Ho-dam\’s tragic novel. When the real-life king read this novel, he was furious. It was too close to the truth. What he didn\’t realize was that the queen loved Ho-dam\’s novel so much that she fell in love with Ho-dam and had an affair with him. She became pregnant with Ho-dam\’s child. The king, outraged but also sort of stuck between a rock and hard place, agreed to raise Ho-dam\’s son as his own, in exchange for the queen\’s and Ho-dam\’s silence forever.
I have to agree.. you are insane..lol.
But i have to be even more insane having nothing better to do but read my fellow beanie’s insane ramblings..while waiting for today’s episode.
Ugh I need Netflix to accidentally leak all the remaining episodes of Rookie Historian right now! It’s not even a super angsty show (for me), but there’s so many dangling threads–I don’t think I can wait two more weeks to see how everything plays out!
Going into this week’s episodes of Rookie Historian, here’s all (some of) the questions I have–in no particular order–and some overall thoughts about them.
Questions
1) Why was Seorowan shut down?
2) What is The Story of Ho-dam, and why is it important that it not be told? (Also–is it true, or is it a novel? Does anyone know?)
3) Is The Story of Ho-dam connected to Seorowan?
4) Why does the eunuch seem to want to make Rim aware of The Story of Ho-dam (he staged that dream, right?)?
5) Who are Rim’s parents?
6) Who is Hae-ryung’s father?
7) What does Mo-hwa (and the Dowager Queen) have to do with it all?
Thoughts
A soompi recap says this: “The Story of Ho Dam…appears to be a little too similar to an undisclosed incident from the king’s past that seems to have something to do with the line of succession…but we’ll have to wait a little longer to find out more about that.” That’s interesting to me. I had been assuming the story was related to Seorowan, but maybe it’s a separate issue?
If The Story of Ho-dam is related to the line of succession, then maybe that’s why the eunuch wants Rim to know about it. But why? Unless the current king is totally not supposed to be the king and IT SHOULD BE RIM?!?!? Hm. I stand by my theory that Rim’s mother is the queen (http://www.dramabeans.com/members/thetinyl/activity/862416/#acomment-862603), but who is his father? Is it (DUM DUM DUM DUM DUM) Ho-dam?
Hae-ryung’s father appears to be the man in charge of Seorowan, but how does he fit into all this? Who is he? Is it (DUM DUM DUM DUM DUM) Ho-dam, too?????????? hehehe
So many questions, so many secrets. Hello, Wednesday!
Those are good questions. I thought it was just me who didn’t get what HoDam is, I assumed I’d missed that early on. Great! Now I can learn it with everyone else.
I’m in the middle of it now (for the first time) and i love it. I actually had low expectations going in (and it’s not like my new favorite or anything…it does have its shortcomings), but I am really really enjoying it. Definitely going to miss it when I finish. Hopefully that’ll be right around when Joseon Marriage Agency (or whatever its called) starts 😉
I’ve only watched 1: Splish Splash Love.
After hearing how much Beanies love Rookie Historian, I decided to give it a try last night.(Ep.1) So far, so good.
Not been around much lately (and been lurking when i am around), not been watching much, lately, either…mostly buried by Real Life. but anyway, emerging just a little to say hello and that, funny/cheesy/awkward as it may seem, i really have missed you, beanies ♥♥♥
Beanies! I need help remembering a drama…I literally JUST saw it…like within the past few months, I think. The scene I\’m trying to place is in a coffee shop, a cute one, with a big table by a window. And the male lead buys the table for the female lead. I think he puts a plaque on it with her name on it, too. basically any time she is there, she can sit at that table and look out that window; other people have to move for her. it\’s her table, etc. Does this ring a bell? I can\’t believe I can\’t remember, because I feel like I *JUST* saw this show.
Final Thoughts about HPL (Spoilers)
– I’m happy with the ending. It was cute. It’s not the best ending I’ve ever seen, and it didn’t quite leave me with all the feelings I wanted (or even nearly as many feelings as most of the episodes), but I’m happy with it. It was fine. It wrapped things up well enough and followed 15 episodes I really enjoyed (fine yes even you Ep8. I give you your status back.)
– I wasn’t sure who Eun-gi would really end up, but I knew it’d have to be Choi Da-in or Cindy…I’m glad it was Cindy, honestly. Would watch that spin-off in a heartbeat. Her character is one I disliked at first but really came to enjoy. Wish we had gotten more of her AND HER MOM <3. And I know a lot of people didn't care for Eun-gi, but I liked him throughout, so…
– The dad and his rocks. I love it. I love it so much. In the middle of Ep15 there is a shot of him caring for rocks, and I wondered if they were contrasting it with caring for someone who can be hurt. But I was even more pleased with the story about Deok-soo's hand. I cried at this, I'm not going to lie.
– The Deok-soo connection came out of nowhere (and it felt a little too intense for the rest of the show) but then, it did for Deok-mi, too, so….And honestly, I am happy that the rest of the show was more about our couple than Deok-soo and their childhoods, so no complaints from this memeber of the audience. (A more critical viewer could complain, and i'd have to respect that, though. I know there's room for it.)
– Themes I loved in this show: hands (holding them, healing them, creating with them, etc), mothers (and by extension family and friends…what determines who we are to one another, etc), art, people, how we show affection, the "objects" of our affections (emphasis on object; pun intended).
– Now just waiting around for the report that KJW and PMY are together for real, don't hate at me—i love my little fantasy world (sorry JCW i will find you someone new).
– Annyeong. Still one of my favorite moments in a drama ever. <3
For PMY’s sake I hope there’s no scandal 😭 – the last one really seemed to take a toll on her emotionally based on her interviews, and also K-netz are gonna jump on her for having two dating rumors in a row after her drama ends
I do think they’d be so cute together thoughhhh <3 KJW is a dream
KJW is a dream indeed!
By that logic, I hope there’s no scandal too… but I’m also just gonna imagine they’re “secretly” dating IRL without the public’s knowledge. huhuhu
I don’t really ship people IRL, but their chemistry is amazing!
I know it wasn’t perfect, but I loved it. He’s wonderful in this and there was no noble idiocy. Yay! I don’t ship anyone in real life. I want them to find the right person for them, who ever that might be.
I honestly really liked HPL15…well, the very beginning was a little too sweet, but the rest of the episode worked really well for me. That being said, I know there\’s room for critique, but I\’m just going to tune it out for now and be happy about it. *guilty sheepish grin*
Dont feel guilty. I liked it too and I’m glad it hasn’t been cut down to less eps. I’d rather they’d focus on her fangirling over his brother instead of all these lost boys, but…..🤷♀️
I don’t know if you’re familiar with a website called “The Wayback Machine,” (https://archive.org/web/), but it’s a website that basically keeps an archive of what the internet looks like at random intervals. (It takes a screenshot, sort of, and stores it.) You can go through the wayback machine’s calendar and see what a particular webpage looked like, “way back when,” as it were.
I tell you this because one of the archived pages I found in the wayback machine was…the original list of beanie levels that DB had posted. The definitive list. The whole enchilada.
Pics are below, but before you scroll down, decide for yourself if you want to see all the levels; I don’t want to destroy the suspense if you are loving it. (Many thanks to @modernflapper for providing me with the exact link!!!!) (cc: @sicarius@greenfields@ally-le@neener@nightmoon)
(I have to admit, I was a little sad to see that the list sort of has an ending…I wanted it to keep going forever! Although, given how long it’s taking me to get out of Errand Boyhood, maybe it does go on forever, in essence. Heh. And who knows, maybe they have it set up so they can add more!) Anyway, without further ado:
I tried to make the pics bigger but could not; does db automatically resize images? were they too big originally or something? if its unreadable, let me know. xx
Depend. I’ve noticed that if you try upload a larger image off your device onto dB it often downsizes it’s immediate viewing size (you can click on it for an enlargement tho).
I often bypass this, if I want to share it big automatically, by uploading it onto Pinterest, and then sharing it via its Pinterest link onto dB. It’s a bit more complicated but seems to share it larger. I don’t know why this is though.
Thank you 😀 I forgot there was an Universe’s Big Star level, the one writen in hangeul. Kim Heechul obviously comes to mind 😂
Universe’s Big Star Kim Heechul~ Milky skin Kim Heechul~
I seen to remember that Rebel Who Stole The People was airing about the time this list was available to peruse. So maybe, maybe there are more now since there are more dramas out.
I assume the Brain Fetus is a Doctor Jin reference (?). Does that show really rate a spot?
And if each level gets harder and takes longer, and so many of us are spending a year as Errand Boy (yesterday was my 1-year anniversary) how many of us want to spend at least a decade commemorating that show? I guess the good news is most of us won’t live that long.
And we don’t need to worry about the list having an ending because none of us mere mortals will ever see it. Maybe DB Staff….
😂😂😂 yup. I think those pages are enough. Unless a revelation in biotech suddenly allows us to live 1000s of years, we’re never making it to the last few levels.
@lordcobol,
ROFLMAO! Jinja, the Brain Fetus level?!? Yep, that’s from DR. JIN for sure. Now that I think of it, that must have been a rare Joseon PPL for mutant Gummi Bears.
Another consideration that Mr. P pointed out: As time goes by, there will presumably be new levels added continuously. So just like Beanies’ Kdrama to-watch lists, we’ll never be able to reach the top rank. It will be an ever-evolving target, complete with “level dilation.” The closer you get to reaching the top level, the more difficult it will become.
yeah, i clicked some of the links, and a page opened, but it had no content. It looks like maybe they intended to write something for each level but then never did?
I do wonder if they’ve updated this list or if it is still the same. Are there even MORE levels now??? Have any been changed? Do we have to pass down our dB account to our offering in order to ever keep leveling up? *Is now picturing a post apocalyptic world where the only source of joy is trying to level up on Dramabeans lol)
i am totally hoping there are new levels since this….especially ones that fall somewhere in the middle of these…now that i have the list, i also want to be surprised.
*really regretting having offended the queen now that i also picture this post-ap world…. 😉
So I have some thoughts on Her Private Life, but they are all disjointed, and if any beanies have some similar insights or can help bring some sense to all this, I would absolutely love to hear it.
Overall it seems like the show is trying to say something about the line between art and people, objects and humanity, and the feelings we have for each and both.
• Deok-mi\’s fangirling isn\’t of the violent/abusive kind, but it\’s still an objectification of Si-an. My favorite evidence of this is the fact that you can look at him but not touch, hehehe, like he\’s a painting in her museum. But also, she\’s made tons of pieces of art of him. She\’s literally turned the boy into art.
• That pairs well with the fact that she\’s also an art curator—a person who collects marvelous objects for others to admire and appreciate. (I appreciate so much that the show avoids the \”loves art but can\’t relate to people\” trope. This isn\’t a show trying to draw a line in the sand; it\’s not even making a hard-and-fast rule. She has great relationships with her BFF and family and with her fan-friends.)
• Another beanie pointed out that as Deok-mi\’s relationship with Ryan develops, we see less of her fangirling over Si-an and more of her adoring Ryan. Some of that is just because the show\’s a romance, of course, but I think there\’s a message in it, too. (Interestingly enough, Ryan teases Deok-mi, saying how he wants to be her fanboy, which would imply seeing her more objectively, but I think that\’s just a cute line, not to be taken too philosophically.)
• Si-an has his own arc, too; he starts out as an idol to Deok-mi and a means-to-and-end (the paintings) for Ryan, but he forcibly makes himself more human to Ryan, coming over unexpectedly, chatting genially, etc. As the arc progresses, he becomes pretty much as close a human to Ryan as another human can be (brothers). Deok-mi may still be his fan, but she\’s also now his cohort (helping with the show, helping to reconcile Ryan and the mom). Si-an completes his arc (up through ep 14 at least) by reaching full personhood to both Ryan and Deok-mi, I think. I like that Si-an is, in effect, a rebellious piece of art lol.
• The paintings themselves: First, the fact that they were painted by an unknown person…they are art without a person, in a way. But the show revolves around the search for that person. The person behind the art. And when that person is found, these objects end up humanizing Lee Sol to Ryan and allowing him to connect to her. (I like very much that some of these paintings have to be restored.)
• Something should be said about the late photographer and his last picture; the anneyong photo. That\’s a piece in this puzzle, for sure, somewhere…
Am I making any sense at all?? Well, anyway, just some thoughts. If you made it this far, then thank you!
All of the art pieces (and I include the people in this) begin as 2 dimensional objects. Admired for how they look, their shine, their color. But now we’ve reached the point where we see the depth and dimension in the art. The photos were a foreshadowing of this: there is always more than just what we see.
For many episodes, I’ve been talking to the screen and asking them when they were going to look at the reflections in the bubbles. The clues were there, just distorted.
Also, am I the only one to think that Ryan’s apartment is almost as if he is living inside a bubble? All those blues and with the gold accents. The way the light hits him, and other objects. Just me?
Even Deok-mi’s father’s rocks. To some (and I would be included in this) they are just big old rocks, but as we learned when he talked about them with Ryan, they are much more.
Her mother’s knitting is another form of art in the drama. Yes, its’s a bit kitschy, but it also provides warmth and color to their home. And, as we saw when she gifted the sweater she was knitting to Cindy, it is an expression of acceptance and protection.
(a mere like isn’t enough to show you & anothernicole how much I appreciate your takes and analysis on the show, the two of you brought out beauty that I hadn’t noticed. Thanks.)
yes! this is it! i knew there was some sort of key i was missing, and i feel like you’ve hit it. thank you thank you!
so, then, to continue digging into this, would it be fair to say that the show overall is a commentary on our role in art—and relationships? the responsibility(?) we have to humanize both. when we humanize art, we ourselves are enriched. the same with human relationships. (i’m suddenly reminded of seon-joo’s story: her husband who does love her, momentarily uses her as just an object–for his art, even—forgetting their humanity, and that threatens their relationship.)
I think what it may be trying to tell us is that art is something to be admired, but not necessarily in a reverential manner, but rather to embrace it as a something that is alive. We should live with the art. Not just see it, but feel it, try to understand the humanity beneath the surface of it. Art is more than the object. There is always something living and breathing beyond it. I mean, we may not understand or like it, but it’s there.
Even Cindy’s little project is making the art something tactile that the museum patrons will literally be able to touch, arrange, and make it something of their own.
Seon-joo and her husband are an interesting pair, and I think you’re onto something there. By commodifying her as an object for his own art in a grab for the sake of professional ambition, he forgot both his wife’s true value, and what he values in his own creativity. And I think in a way, the show is giving us three stages of a relationship. Deok-mi and Ryan’s glossy newness, Seon-joo and Seung-min in a crossroads that many couples find themselves in after a time, and Deok-mi’s parents, who appear to have little in common, and we probably wonder if they are together only out of habit.
Now that I think of it, the drama itself is also humanizing Kim Jae-wook in a manner that I don’t remember seeing him before. There is no denying the utter aesthetic beauty of the man, but we are now seeing him for a funny, cuddly, and downright more real person than I’ve seen before.
also YES TO THE BUBBLES. i was so frustrated trying to get closer looks to see what was in them. i just assumed there was some message or clues in them.
sidebar: deok-mi’s dad and mom, with their respective hobbies, are the undertold story in this drama. there is a wealth of richness there that could be explored and im always disappointed when they end up just as a grumpy-married-couple trope. i have secret high hopes that the orphaned little boy is some sort of key to their relationship’s trajectory for some reason, too. and their respective obsessions.
I was really hoping they would dig more into Deok-mi’s parent’s hobbies, which are to be frank (and I say this as someone who has done fiber crafts/arts for decades now), seen as low-brow, and not really art with the capital A. But they are passionate and creative in their creations too. They express love just as the photos and paintings do. They also, much like the photos in the early episode, as well as the bubble paintings, are expression of love that are, in a way, both reflection and deflection. If that makes any sense. All of the arts here, both separate the artists from their family/loves and yet are expressions of their feelings for them. I may be over thinking this.
not overthinking it at all (or if you are, i am too <3). i think their hobbies are deliberately chosen for the reasons you say. knitting can be seen as sort of "an old woman's craft" and stands in contrast to the highbrow art of the gallery. but as you say, textiles are passionate and creative and as old as painting, too, i would think.
the rock collecting is my favorite though. He obsesses over rocks and his daughter obsesses over a rock star. i'm dead. i think its a tongue-in-cheek reminder that rock stars are not rocks, that they are people (unlike rocks). but there is another level, too, and that's that rock collecting is a legit hobby too–with passion and creativity, and for all that rocks are not human, the way the dad feels about them is part of what makes him one.
(human, that is. even though the mom kinda treats him like a rock. oh halp. rabbit hole.)
ps. is it too much to say that rocks are also sort of the opposite of bubbles in a way? i don't know how significant that is; just a thought.
i haven’t seen it, either, but the gifs are always so good (and there are just SO MANY). and that sounds like exactly the perfect design for an errand boy card!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 7, 2019 at 7:08 PM
How am I doing? Well, I just caught myself genuinely, seriously thinking about watching Hwarang again, but fine, fine, doing fine. How are you? 😉
purplefall
September 7, 2019 at 11:46 PM
A show with so much potential that didn’t get delivered. Anyway it did have some memorable scenes. I would recommend rewatching your favorite cuts on Youtube instead of the whole show ^^
happiness
September 8, 2019 at 3:15 AM
so true, really wish they focused on the bromance rather than the boring romance and politics
Esther
September 8, 2019 at 5:07 PM
Seriously!
The only thing worth rewatching in this show is the bromance
KSKalways
September 9, 2019 at 8:26 AM
I have heard so much about it (and the bromance off screen) that I wish some magic person on the internet would edit the show to include only the best, in a chronological manner.
*sigh*
Alas.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 8, 2019 at 6:54 AM
i agree with this so much!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 10, 2019 at 5:54 AM
@purplefall i took your advice and had a lot of fun 😉 also way less angst than i had watching the show. hehe! thanks to you and youtube!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 6, 2019 at 8:59 AM
sooooooo…my work website is down, but dramabeans is working just fine….
suk
September 6, 2019 at 10:07 AM
I love that gif!!! Missing that drama :’)
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 6, 2019 at 10:19 AM
hehehe! mee too!!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 6, 2019 at 6:17 AM
Re-watching Her Private Life to cope with all the angst Rookie Historian left me with (and all the angst from not getting new eps for two weeks)
Hasi®
September 20, 2019 at 2:48 AM
I did the exact same thing except it was my first time watching HPL.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 20, 2019 at 5:46 AM
yaaay!! <3 <3 <3
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 5, 2019 at 12:12 PM
WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WHY????? So help me if this turns into Pretty Rookie Historian Who Buys Me Food
#RHGHR15 😡😡😡
FlyingTool
September 5, 2019 at 12:17 PM
Which what? So many moving parts…
Crown Prince and Historian Song – what a pair!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 5, 2019 at 12:28 PM
im mostly talking about Hae-ryung and Rim and her (non?)noble-idiocy rejection. I don’t understand why she’s rejecting him now…it seems like she’s been leading him on, in a way, if she always knew she didn’t like him enough to give everything up for him (i am NOT judging her for that…she should get to choose the life she wants, seriously. i commend this show for making that an option…but i don’t understand the timing, and i don’t understand really if she knows what she wants.) On @larelle79‘s wall someone says maybe she will realize what she really wants when its taken from her (based on previews for new episodes.) Maybe that’s what’s going on?
That being said, the crown prince and sa-hui is SUPER fascinating, for sure. I cannot wait to see what happens there. (Pro-tip to Councillor Min, though…why not just have Sa-hui marry JIN? get yourself a lot more power that way, and she’s less likely to fight against that. As a feminist, I reject that solution, but as a manipulative court official, I’m telling you, it’s the way to go.)
larelle79
September 5, 2019 at 12:35 PM
Chancellor Min’s wants a heir to continue to royal blood line. I don’t think the Crown Princess brought that up on her own.
FlyingTool
September 5, 2019 at 1:06 PM
Chancellor Min’s first bet was his own daughter as Crown Princess, and Historian Song is his second bet, at taking over the royal family. He only has lust for power in mind; people are just game pieces to be used for his ends.
larelle79
September 5, 2019 at 1:13 PM
But is divorce even an option. The only way another marriage can happen for the Crown Prince would be if his wife dies, right?
Would Min go that far? Well, that man did say he did not have many friends because of his all around demeanor so he very well could.
FlyingTool
September 5, 2019 at 1:24 PM
@larelle79
I meant aiming Historian Song at Rim… Either way, he gets his fingers into the royal family.
I thought how the Crown Prince chose to try and block Historian Song’s candidacy was interesting, because it potentially make *any* future marriage for her difficult for those times. That discussion must have been something else. What a way to give her the freedom to choose!
FlyingTool
September 5, 2019 at 1:02 PM
As I noted else where, GHR already told the prince that she did not want marriage and the inevitable cancellation of all her other hopes and dreams for herself. The prince was just not hearing GHR. This theme is replicated in Historian Song’s reaction on being put on the candidate brides list. She also sees marriage, especially to a prince, to be the end of her self.
It will be really interesting to see what *choices* these two women end up making in the end; I hope they both find happiness…but however their stories go, I hope that their choices are seen to matter, that they don’t end up being carried along by the maneuvers of the powerful.
Hasi®
September 20, 2019 at 2:31 AM
Spoilers ahead⚠️️
When prince Yi Rim said he has no regrets because he tried his best in ep 33 the look on GHR’s face said otherwise so i guess she is also thinking about her rejection and how unfair it is to Yi Rim. She is practically in a rock and hard place.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 20, 2019 at 6:00 AM
she is 😭😭😭
larelle79
September 5, 2019 at 12:19 PM
“Pretty Rookie Historian Who Buys Me Food”
HAHAHA !!!!
Honestly, I would watch the hell out of this show.
Blue (@mayhemf)
September 5, 2019 at 12:24 PM
They didn’t hold back this episode, didn’t they. It came one after the other.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 5, 2019 at 12:30 PM
right????? grrrr.
Nat
September 5, 2019 at 3:10 PM
WWW flashbacks anyone?
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 5, 2019 at 7:51 AM
I am excited about Melting Me Softly for many reasons, not least of all which is this:
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 4, 2019 at 3:12 PM
4) Once upon a time there was a Renaissance man named Ho-dam. In addition to being a skilled scientist who ran a school called Seorowan, a father to a young girl who would grow up to be a female historian, and a member of the royal court, he was also a skilled novelist. He wrote a novel that exposed the wrongdoings of the current king (that told a story about a king taking the throne from someone else… alluding to someone closely connected to Rim? How does he fit into all this?), and so the king decided Ho-dam had to be silenced. Everything related to him and his school was destroyed and forbidden from being mentioned ever again. But there were a lot of great discoveries made in that school, and the Dowager Queen relied on one of the female doctor/scientists there…so she saved her and helped her hide. And of course, one of the Seorowan scholars saved Ho-dam\’s daughter, and raised her as his own sister, Gu Hae-ryung.
RenOIshi
September 4, 2019 at 5:34 PM
Like it. But what about the mystery surrounding Dowon? Who is he? Hmm..
FlyingTool
September 4, 2019 at 5:59 PM
The show won’t go there, but…it would be a real twist if one of our leads was a child of the dead Frenchman.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 4, 2019 at 6:11 PM
I LOVE IT! ahem
5) Once upon a time… 😉
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 4, 2019 at 10:57 AM
With all the loose threads Rookie Historian has lying around, there are so many insane theories you could come up with (assuming you are as insane as I am)…I apologize in advance, beanies. I am so sorry.
1) Once upon a time, there was a prince named Ho-dam. He was next in line for the throne, and his best friend was in line after him (I know nothing about the throne laws, so suspend lots of disbelief here). Anyway. Ho-dam was also in love with this best friend\’s wife, and they had an affair, and she got pregnant. The best friend was so infuriated that he killed Ho-dam and took the throne from him. But he didn\’t want to admit that his wife had had an affair, so he raised the boy as his own prince–a prince named Rim.
2) Once upon a time there was a court official named Ho-dam who had a school called Seorowan. He had a daughter there, but his wife had died many years ago. The queen, lonely because she was married to a horrible king, sometimes came to Seorowan to learn and be distracted from life. Gradually, the queen and Ho-dam fell in love. They had an affair, and the queen became pregnant. When she had the baby, she presented him as the king\’s own. But the truth will out. The truth will out, my friends, and tragedy will follow. When the king learned about his queen\’s affair, he destroyed Ho-dam, Seorowan, and everything related to them. He didn\’t realize that one of the Seorowan scholars had snuck Ho-dam\’s daughter out, and that she would grow up to be a rookie historian—who would then fall in love with her own half brother. Ew. Moving on.
3) Once upon a time there was a novelist named Ho-dam. He wrote a story, a novel, about two princes, one who didn\’t want to be king and one who did. The one who did not want to be king was, of course, heir to the throne, but he had no interest in court affairs. He spent all his time \”out in the field\” taking care of the people, and the younger prince realized that everyone loved him all the more for that. Blinded with jealousy, rage, amibition, and slight astigmatism, the younger prince killed the older brother and took the throne. — Thus ended Ho-dam\’s tragic novel. When the real-life king read this novel, he was furious. It was too close to the truth. What he didn\’t realize was that the queen loved Ho-dam\’s novel so much that she fell in love with Ho-dam and had an affair with him. She became pregnant with Ho-dam\’s child. The king, outraged but also sort of stuck between a rock and hard place, agreed to raise Ho-dam\’s son as his own, in exchange for the queen\’s and Ho-dam\’s silence forever.
bbstl 🧹
September 4, 2019 at 11:16 AM
Your imagination is great! I was totally with you on #2 until that last sentence 🤣
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 4, 2019 at 11:44 AM
hehehehe :p
Ayan
September 4, 2019 at 11:28 AM
Hoping it is not the half brother situation. But I love these theories 😁
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 4, 2019 at 11:44 AM
hehehe thanks!
Hasi®
September 19, 2019 at 4:06 AM
I have to agree.. you are insane..lol.
But i have to be even more insane having nothing better to do but read my fellow beanie’s insane ramblings..while waiting for today’s episode.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 19, 2019 at 6:05 AM
hehehehehe <3
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 4, 2019 at 9:16 AM
Ugh I need Netflix to accidentally leak all the remaining episodes of Rookie Historian right now! It’s not even a super angsty show (for me), but there’s so many dangling threads–I don’t think I can wait two more weeks to see how everything plays out!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 4, 2019 at 6:45 AM
Going into this week’s episodes of Rookie Historian, here’s all (some of) the questions I have–in no particular order–and some overall thoughts about them.
Questions
1) Why was Seorowan shut down?
2) What is The Story of Ho-dam, and why is it important that it not be told? (Also–is it true, or is it a novel? Does anyone know?)
3) Is The Story of Ho-dam connected to Seorowan?
4) Why does the eunuch seem to want to make Rim aware of The Story of Ho-dam (he staged that dream, right?)?
5) Who are Rim’s parents?
6) Who is Hae-ryung’s father?
7) What does Mo-hwa (and the Dowager Queen) have to do with it all?
Thoughts
A soompi recap says this: “The Story of Ho Dam…appears to be a little too similar to an undisclosed incident from the king’s past that seems to have something to do with the line of succession…but we’ll have to wait a little longer to find out more about that.” That’s interesting to me. I had been assuming the story was related to Seorowan, but maybe it’s a separate issue?
If The Story of Ho-dam is related to the line of succession, then maybe that’s why the eunuch wants Rim to know about it. But why? Unless the current king is totally not supposed to be the king and IT SHOULD BE RIM?!?!? Hm. I stand by my theory that Rim’s mother is the queen (http://www.dramabeans.com/members/thetinyl/activity/862416/#acomment-862603), but who is his father? Is it (DUM DUM DUM DUM DUM) Ho-dam?
Hae-ryung’s father appears to be the man in charge of Seorowan, but how does he fit into all this? Who is he? Is it (DUM DUM DUM DUM DUM) Ho-dam, too?????????? hehehe
So many questions, so many secrets. Hello, Wednesday!
bbstl 🧹
September 4, 2019 at 7:35 AM
Those are good questions. I thought it was just me who didn’t get what HoDam is, I assumed I’d missed that early on. Great! Now I can learn it with everyone else.
RenOIshi
September 4, 2019 at 2:56 PM
All I hope is that they are not half siblings. Oh dear god no!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 3, 2019 at 11:52 AM
with @midnight in mind.
Midnight
September 3, 2019 at 12:46 PM
Hahaha thanks! I don’t know why but the tongs make this so much funnier!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 3, 2019 at 12:53 PM
right? lololol
Katrina
September 4, 2019 at 11:17 AM
Makes me want to run my fingers through Cho seung-woos hair
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 3, 2019 at 10:43 AM
larelle79
September 3, 2019 at 10:45 AM
One of my favorite duos ever. It will hurt my soul if Bae Doona does not return.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 3, 2019 at 10:46 AM
mine, too. so much. *fingers crossed so hard*
strawberry
September 3, 2019 at 3:21 PM
Ahh yes! My OTP of 2017 🧡 Cannot wait for season 2 with hope that Bae Doona returns!
zette
September 3, 2019 at 5:01 PM
Bae Doo Na, please sign back up! 🙏
another woodalchi nicole recruit
August 29, 2019 at 11:21 AM
(it’s not my favorite music video, but i love the song so much)
another woodalchi nicole recruit
August 28, 2019 at 7:10 AM
Currently obsessed with light/fluffy/cheeky sageuks (Moonlight, Rookie Historian, My Sassy Girl 2017). Mixed-up identities. Court drama nonsense. Feisty eunuchs. Spunky heroines. Gimme gimme gimme.
Ally
August 28, 2019 at 7:16 AM
Three of these are my favorites! But I still need to see My Sassy Girl!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
August 28, 2019 at 7:19 AM
I’m in the middle of it now (for the first time) and i love it. I actually had low expectations going in (and it’s not like my new favorite or anything…it does have its shortcomings), but I am really really enjoying it. Definitely going to miss it when I finish. Hopefully that’ll be right around when Joseon Marriage Agency (or whatever its called) starts 😉
KSKalways
August 29, 2019 at 6:59 AM
I’ve only watched 1: Splish Splash Love.
After hearing how much Beanies love Rookie Historian, I decided to give it a try last night.(Ep.1) So far, so good.
Hasi®
September 20, 2019 at 2:06 AM
I love fluffy saeguks too..and i especially love these 3.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
July 2, 2019 at 6:04 PM
Not been around much lately (and been lurking when i am around), not been watching much, lately, either…mostly buried by Real Life. but anyway, emerging just a little to say hello and that, funny/cheesy/awkward as it may seem, i really have missed you, beanies ♥♥♥
outofthisworld 不愧是我 🏍
July 2, 2019 at 6:06 PM
Awww sweetie, see you around!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
July 3, 2019 at 7:01 AM
👋💗
RaOnAh loves Jay B 💚
July 2, 2019 at 6:14 PM
Hiii 💕💕💕
another woodalchi nicole recruit
July 3, 2019 at 7:01 AM
Hiiiiii Raonah!!❤️❤️
Ally
July 2, 2019 at 7:08 PM
I’ve missed you too!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
July 3, 2019 at 7:02 AM
thanks, ally! hoping to be back more soon ❤️❤️
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
July 2, 2019 at 7:58 PM
Missed you!! X
another woodalchi nicole recruit
July 3, 2019 at 7:02 AM
you honor me, my queen ❤️😆❤️😆❤️
korfan
July 3, 2019 at 12:41 AM
Good to see you!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
July 3, 2019 at 7:03 AM
you, too, korfan! ❤️❤️
ship-happens
July 3, 2019 at 3:49 PM
Hello! It’s nice to meet you~!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
July 3, 2019 at 6:43 PM
hello 👋👋👋 nice to meet you too!!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 31, 2019 at 11:56 AM
Beanies! I need help remembering a drama…I literally JUST saw it…like within the past few months, I think. The scene I\’m trying to place is in a coffee shop, a cute one, with a big table by a window. And the male lead buys the table for the female lead. I think he puts a plaque on it with her name on it, too. basically any time she is there, she can sit at that table and look out that window; other people have to move for her. it\’s her table, etc. Does this ring a bell? I can\’t believe I can\’t remember, because I feel like I *JUST* saw this show.
Jrr 🌈
May 31, 2019 at 12:04 PM
devilish joy?
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 31, 2019 at 12:13 PM
@llljr @egads OH! maybe! i did watch this recently! that sounds right. ack. thank you. <3
egads aka Dame Maggie
May 31, 2019 at 12:04 PM
Devilish Joy?
KS stuck on 🥰 Aegiya KHAAJA🥰
May 31, 2019 at 12:16 PM
yes that’s Devilish Joy…
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 31, 2019 at 10:33 AM
Final Thoughts about HPL (Spoilers)
– I’m happy with the ending. It was cute. It’s not the best ending I’ve ever seen, and it didn’t quite leave me with all the feelings I wanted (or even nearly as many feelings as most of the episodes), but I’m happy with it. It was fine. It wrapped things up well enough and followed 15 episodes I really enjoyed (fine yes even you Ep8. I give you your status back.)
– I wasn’t sure who Eun-gi would really end up, but I knew it’d have to be Choi Da-in or Cindy…I’m glad it was Cindy, honestly. Would watch that spin-off in a heartbeat. Her character is one I disliked at first but really came to enjoy. Wish we had gotten more of her AND HER MOM <3. And I know a lot of people didn't care for Eun-gi, but I liked him throughout, so…
– The dad and his rocks. I love it. I love it so much. In the middle of Ep15 there is a shot of him caring for rocks, and I wondered if they were contrasting it with caring for someone who can be hurt. But I was even more pleased with the story about Deok-soo's hand. I cried at this, I'm not going to lie.
– The Deok-soo connection came out of nowhere (and it felt a little too intense for the rest of the show) but then, it did for Deok-mi, too, so….And honestly, I am happy that the rest of the show was more about our couple than Deok-soo and their childhoods, so no complaints from this memeber of the audience. (A more critical viewer could complain, and i'd have to respect that, though. I know there's room for it.)
– Themes I loved in this show: hands (holding them, healing them, creating with them, etc), mothers (and by extension family and friends…what determines who we are to one another, etc), art, people, how we show affection, the "objects" of our affections (emphasis on object; pun intended).
– Now just waiting around for the report that KJW and PMY are together for real, don't hate at me—i love my little fantasy world (sorry JCW i will find you someone new).
– Annyeong. Still one of my favorite moments in a drama ever. <3
dopedramacongratz
May 31, 2019 at 11:37 AM
For PMY’s sake I hope there’s no scandal 😭 – the last one really seemed to take a toll on her emotionally based on her interviews, and also K-netz are gonna jump on her for having two dating rumors in a row after her drama ends
I do think they’d be so cute together thoughhhh <3 KJW is a dream
Yuyuu, The Drama Queen
May 31, 2019 at 2:11 PM
KJW is a dream indeed!
By that logic, I hope there’s no scandal too… but I’m also just gonna imagine they’re “secretly” dating IRL without the public’s knowledge. huhuhu
I don’t really ship people IRL, but their chemistry is amazing!
dopedramacongratz
May 31, 2019 at 5:09 PM
Your dp is my face literally
mugyuljoie is preciousss
May 31, 2019 at 6:53 PM
I know it wasn’t perfect, but I loved it. He’s wonderful in this and there was no noble idiocy. Yay! I don’t ship anyone in real life. I want them to find the right person for them, who ever that might be.
Hasi®
September 20, 2019 at 2:08 AM
Her private life made my hear flutter and gave me a stomach full of butterflies so many times..
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 20, 2019 at 5:59 AM
yessss 🥰🥰🥰🥰
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 30, 2019 at 12:22 PM
I honestly really liked HPL15…well, the very beginning was a little too sweet, but the rest of the episode worked really well for me. That being said, I know there\’s room for critique, but I\’m just going to tune it out for now and be happy about it. *guilty sheepish grin*
Beverly
May 30, 2019 at 1:10 PM
Dont feel guilty. I liked it too and I’m glad it hasn’t been cut down to less eps. I’d rather they’d focus on her fangirling over his brother instead of all these lost boys, but…..🤷♀️
I loved that bday scene and wish we’d get more.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 29, 2019 at 7:18 AM
I don’t know if you’re familiar with a website called “The Wayback Machine,” (https://archive.org/web/), but it’s a website that basically keeps an archive of what the internet looks like at random intervals. (It takes a screenshot, sort of, and stores it.) You can go through the wayback machine’s calendar and see what a particular webpage looked like, “way back when,” as it were.
I tell you this because one of the archived pages I found in the wayback machine was…the original list of beanie levels that DB had posted. The definitive list. The whole enchilada.
Pics are below, but before you scroll down, decide for yourself if you want to see all the levels; I don’t want to destroy the suspense if you are loving it. (Many thanks to @modernflapper for providing me with the exact link!!!!) (cc: @sicarius @greenfields @ally-le @neener @nightmoon)
(I have to admit, I was a little sad to see that the list sort of has an ending…I wanted it to keep going forever! Although, given how long it’s taking me to get out of Errand Boyhood, maybe it does go on forever, in essence. Heh. And who knows, maybe they have it set up so they can add more!) Anyway, without further ado:
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 29, 2019 at 7:19 AM
I tried to make the pics bigger but could not; does db automatically resize images? were they too big originally or something? if its unreadable, let me know. xx
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
May 29, 2019 at 3:03 PM
Depend. I’ve noticed that if you try upload a larger image off your device onto dB it often downsizes it’s immediate viewing size (you can click on it for an enlargement tho).
I often bypass this, if I want to share it big automatically, by uploading it onto Pinterest, and then sharing it via its Pinterest link onto dB. It’s a bit more complicated but seems to share it larger. I don’t know why this is though.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 29, 2019 at 4:30 PM
ooo super helpful. thanks!
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
May 29, 2019 at 5:49 PM
Not a problem!!
PakalanaPikake
May 31, 2019 at 10:04 AM
Thanks for the plug for the Wayback Machine @anothernicole! It’s a great resource that everyone should know about.
Midnight
May 29, 2019 at 7:24 AM
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Midnight
May 29, 2019 at 7:25 AM
OK, I want to reach level Chep NOW!
Beverly
May 29, 2019 at 7:29 AM
What is that?
Midnight
May 29, 2019 at 7:33 AM
Koreans pronounce Chef as Chep. It has been used in many dramas. For me it reminds me of two of my most favorites, Jo Jung Suk and Junho.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 29, 2019 at 7:37 AM
omo. i love this.
UmbrellaMan
May 29, 2019 at 8:15 AM
All I can think of is how cute Park Bo Young was whenever she said “Chep”
PakalanaPikake
May 31, 2019 at 10:03 AM
And don’t forget Chep Yang Se-jong in TEMPERATURE OF LOVE. 😉
Midnight
May 31, 2019 at 11:57 AM
Haven’t seen that one.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 29, 2019 at 7:30 AM
yeah, what is that???
Beverly
May 29, 2019 at 7:26 AM
This is amazing.
mango
May 29, 2019 at 7:32 AM
Thank you 😀 I forgot there was an Universe’s Big Star level, the one writen in hangeul. Kim Heechul obviously comes to mind 😂
Universe’s Big Star Kim Heechul~ Milky skin Kim Heechul~
UmbrellaMan
May 29, 2019 at 8:11 AM
I was going to ask what that one said
WishfulToki
May 29, 2019 at 7:53 AM
Thank you! Aww… “Rebel Who Stole The People” is the highest level 😍
I love my rooftop room but I’d like a sparkly tracksuit at some point 😂
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
May 29, 2019 at 2:57 PM
I seen to remember that Rebel Who Stole The People was airing about the time this list was available to peruse. So maybe, maybe there are more now since there are more dramas out.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 29, 2019 at 4:31 PM
i was wondering about that!!
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
May 29, 2019 at 5:50 PM
There’s been some fairly big dramas since then too! So much goodness to go off!
Carolina
May 29, 2019 at 7:56 AM
So many levels. I’m still on page one.
UmbrellaMan
May 29, 2019 at 8:10 AM
😳😱😅 I will be 100 by the time I reach the last level…
UmbrellaMan
May 29, 2019 at 8:15 AM
Is there a particular drama “lawyer who works at Subway” is referencing?
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 29, 2019 at 8:21 AM
i wondered this too!
Midnight
May 29, 2019 at 8:33 AM
I remember a male lead working at a laptop in Subway but can’t remember his face or the show’s name…
mugyuljoie is preciousss
May 29, 2019 at 9:10 AM
Yoo Ah In in Chicago Typewriter? But he was an author not a lawyer.
Midnight
May 29, 2019 at 10:29 AM
The one I remember was quite modern but I don’t know if he was a lawyer either.
mugyuljoie is preciousss
May 29, 2019 at 11:15 AM
He wrote in Subway before he was a published novelist in the modern day portion of the drama.
Midnight
May 29, 2019 at 11:37 AM
OH! OH! Right! That’s it! Does it show that I had completely forgotten that show had a modern timeline??
Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
May 29, 2019 at 8:43 AM
I assume the Brain Fetus is a Doctor Jin reference (?). Does that show really rate a spot?
And if each level gets harder and takes longer, and so many of us are spending a year as Errand Boy (yesterday was my 1-year anniversary) how many of us want to spend at least a decade commemorating that show? I guess the good news is most of us won’t live that long.
And we don’t need to worry about the list having an ending because none of us mere mortals will ever see it. Maybe DB Staff….
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 29, 2019 at 9:01 AM
right????? (happy 1 year EB anni! maybe we should start celebrating those!)
i also wondered about the brain fetus thing.
greenfields
May 29, 2019 at 10:33 AM
😂😂😂 yup. I think those pages are enough. Unless a revelation in biotech suddenly allows us to live 1000s of years, we’re never making it to the last few levels.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 29, 2019 at 11:00 AM
truth! (but i have faith in @pakalanapikake, though!)
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
May 29, 2019 at 2:58 PM
Your queen is mildly offended 😉
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 29, 2019 at 4:29 PM
bahahahaha!!! touche
PakalanaPikake
May 31, 2019 at 7:29 AM
Thanks for the vote of confidence, @anothernicole, but I’m not a spring chicken. Unless I become a zomBeanie… 😉
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 31, 2019 at 7:44 AM
zomBeanie 😂😂😂
PakalanaPikake
May 31, 2019 at 10:00 AM
@lordcobol,
ROFLMAO! Jinja, the Brain Fetus level?!? Yep, that’s from DR. JIN for sure. Now that I think of it, that must have been a rare Joseon PPL for mutant Gummi Bears.
Another consideration that Mr. P pointed out: As time goes by, there will presumably be new levels added continuously. So just like Beanies’ Kdrama to-watch lists, we’ll never be able to reach the top rank. It will be an ever-evolving target, complete with “level dilation.” The closer you get to reaching the top level, the more difficult it will become.
Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
May 31, 2019 at 10:04 AM
I vote for the new top level being “Person Without Childhood Trauma”.
PakalanaPikake
May 31, 2019 at 10:06 AM
Is that with or without Birth Secret?!
Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
May 31, 2019 at 10:22 AM
Without. Most Birth Secrets also involve Childhood Trauma.
greenfields
May 29, 2019 at 10:34 AM
Was there supposed to be a page om each level? How fun.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 29, 2019 at 10:59 AM
yeah, i clicked some of the links, and a page opened, but it had no content. It looks like maybe they intended to write something for each level but then never did?
Ally
May 29, 2019 at 10:47 AM
I really want to be a flower scholar!!!
mugyuljoie is preciousss
May 29, 2019 at 11:22 AM
Your going to have to step up your game or live a long long time.
mugyuljoie is preciousss
May 29, 2019 at 12:45 PM
You’re. I so need an edit button.
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
May 29, 2019 at 2:59 PM
Meh. Embrace the typo.
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
May 29, 2019 at 3:05 PM
I do wonder if they’ve updated this list or if it is still the same. Are there even MORE levels now??? Have any been changed? Do we have to pass down our dB account to our offering in order to ever keep leveling up? *Is now picturing a post apocalyptic world where the only source of joy is trying to level up on Dramabeans lol)
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 29, 2019 at 4:30 PM
i am totally hoping there are new levels since this….especially ones that fall somewhere in the middle of these…now that i have the list, i also want to be surprised.
*really regretting having offended the queen now that i also picture this post-ap world…. 😉
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
May 30, 2019 at 2:43 AM
Guess you’re sticking round for a while then huh. 😁
*Pfahahahaha! Yes… However will you survive… Hehehe ;)*
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 30, 2019 at 10:18 AM
hehehe
neener ~ Inside the Magic Shop ~
May 29, 2019 at 6:39 PM
This is AWESOME!!!! May we live to see the Beanie that reaches the top!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 30, 2019 at 10:17 AM
iiiiiii WISH this for us!!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 24, 2019 at 10:08 AM
So I have some thoughts on Her Private Life, but they are all disjointed, and if any beanies have some similar insights or can help bring some sense to all this, I would absolutely love to hear it.
Overall it seems like the show is trying to say something about the line between art and people, objects and humanity, and the feelings we have for each and both.
• Deok-mi\’s fangirling isn\’t of the violent/abusive kind, but it\’s still an objectification of Si-an. My favorite evidence of this is the fact that you can look at him but not touch, hehehe, like he\’s a painting in her museum. But also, she\’s made tons of pieces of art of him. She\’s literally turned the boy into art.
• That pairs well with the fact that she\’s also an art curator—a person who collects marvelous objects for others to admire and appreciate. (I appreciate so much that the show avoids the \”loves art but can\’t relate to people\” trope. This isn\’t a show trying to draw a line in the sand; it\’s not even making a hard-and-fast rule. She has great relationships with her BFF and family and with her fan-friends.)
• Another beanie pointed out that as Deok-mi\’s relationship with Ryan develops, we see less of her fangirling over Si-an and more of her adoring Ryan. Some of that is just because the show\’s a romance, of course, but I think there\’s a message in it, too. (Interestingly enough, Ryan teases Deok-mi, saying how he wants to be her fanboy, which would imply seeing her more objectively, but I think that\’s just a cute line, not to be taken too philosophically.)
• Si-an has his own arc, too; he starts out as an idol to Deok-mi and a means-to-and-end (the paintings) for Ryan, but he forcibly makes himself more human to Ryan, coming over unexpectedly, chatting genially, etc. As the arc progresses, he becomes pretty much as close a human to Ryan as another human can be (brothers). Deok-mi may still be his fan, but she\’s also now his cohort (helping with the show, helping to reconcile Ryan and the mom). Si-an completes his arc (up through ep 14 at least) by reaching full personhood to both Ryan and Deok-mi, I think. I like that Si-an is, in effect, a rebellious piece of art lol.
• The paintings themselves: First, the fact that they were painted by an unknown person…they are art without a person, in a way. But the show revolves around the search for that person. The person behind the art. And when that person is found, these objects end up humanizing Lee Sol to Ryan and allowing him to connect to her. (I like very much that some of these paintings have to be restored.)
• Something should be said about the late photographer and his last picture; the anneyong photo. That\’s a piece in this puzzle, for sure, somewhere…
Am I making any sense at all?? Well, anyway, just some thoughts. If you made it this far, then thank you!
KSKalways
May 24, 2019 at 10:23 AM
great analysis and well-written!
(yes, it all made sense)
🙂
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 24, 2019 at 10:31 AM
aw thanks! <3 <3 <3
egads aka Dame Maggie
May 24, 2019 at 7:14 PM
All of the art pieces (and I include the people in this) begin as 2 dimensional objects. Admired for how they look, their shine, their color. But now we’ve reached the point where we see the depth and dimension in the art. The photos were a foreshadowing of this: there is always more than just what we see.
For many episodes, I’ve been talking to the screen and asking them when they were going to look at the reflections in the bubbles. The clues were there, just distorted.
Also, am I the only one to think that Ryan’s apartment is almost as if he is living inside a bubble? All those blues and with the gold accents. The way the light hits him, and other objects. Just me?
Even Deok-mi’s father’s rocks. To some (and I would be included in this) they are just big old rocks, but as we learned when he talked about them with Ryan, they are much more.
Her mother’s knitting is another form of art in the drama. Yes, its’s a bit kitschy, but it also provides warmth and color to their home. And, as we saw when she gifted the sweater she was knitting to Cindy, it is an expression of acceptance and protection.
greenfields
May 24, 2019 at 11:30 PM
(a mere like isn’t enough to show you & anothernicole how much I appreciate your takes and analysis on the show, the two of you brought out beauty that I hadn’t noticed. Thanks.)
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 25, 2019 at 4:57 PM
yes! this is it! i knew there was some sort of key i was missing, and i feel like you’ve hit it. thank you thank you!
so, then, to continue digging into this, would it be fair to say that the show overall is a commentary on our role in art—and relationships? the responsibility(?) we have to humanize both. when we humanize art, we ourselves are enriched. the same with human relationships. (i’m suddenly reminded of seon-joo’s story: her husband who does love her, momentarily uses her as just an object–for his art, even—forgetting their humanity, and that threatens their relationship.)
Am I taking it too far?
egads aka Dame Maggie
May 25, 2019 at 5:31 PM
I think what it may be trying to tell us is that art is something to be admired, but not necessarily in a reverential manner, but rather to embrace it as a something that is alive. We should live with the art. Not just see it, but feel it, try to understand the humanity beneath the surface of it. Art is more than the object. There is always something living and breathing beyond it. I mean, we may not understand or like it, but it’s there.
Even Cindy’s little project is making the art something tactile that the museum patrons will literally be able to touch, arrange, and make it something of their own.
Seon-joo and her husband are an interesting pair, and I think you’re onto something there. By commodifying her as an object for his own art in a grab for the sake of professional ambition, he forgot both his wife’s true value, and what he values in his own creativity. And I think in a way, the show is giving us three stages of a relationship. Deok-mi and Ryan’s glossy newness, Seon-joo and Seung-min in a crossroads that many couples find themselves in after a time, and Deok-mi’s parents, who appear to have little in common, and we probably wonder if they are together only out of habit.
Now that I think of it, the drama itself is also humanizing Kim Jae-wook in a manner that I don’t remember seeing him before. There is no denying the utter aesthetic beauty of the man, but we are now seeing him for a funny, cuddly, and downright more real person than I’ve seen before.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 25, 2019 at 5:03 PM
also YES TO THE BUBBLES. i was so frustrated trying to get closer looks to see what was in them. i just assumed there was some message or clues in them.
sidebar: deok-mi’s dad and mom, with their respective hobbies, are the undertold story in this drama. there is a wealth of richness there that could be explored and im always disappointed when they end up just as a grumpy-married-couple trope. i have secret high hopes that the orphaned little boy is some sort of key to their relationship’s trajectory for some reason, too. and their respective obsessions.
egads aka Dame Maggie
May 25, 2019 at 5:13 PM
I was really hoping they would dig more into Deok-mi’s parent’s hobbies, which are to be frank (and I say this as someone who has done fiber crafts/arts for decades now), seen as low-brow, and not really art with the capital A. But they are passionate and creative in their creations too. They express love just as the photos and paintings do. They also, much like the photos in the early episode, as well as the bubble paintings, are expression of love that are, in a way, both reflection and deflection. If that makes any sense. All of the arts here, both separate the artists from their family/loves and yet are expressions of their feelings for them. I may be over thinking this.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 25, 2019 at 5:27 PM
not overthinking it at all (or if you are, i am too <3). i think their hobbies are deliberately chosen for the reasons you say. knitting can be seen as sort of "an old woman's craft" and stands in contrast to the highbrow art of the gallery. but as you say, textiles are passionate and creative and as old as painting, too, i would think.
the rock collecting is my favorite though. He obsesses over rocks and his daughter obsesses over a rock star. i'm dead. i think its a tongue-in-cheek reminder that rock stars are not rocks, that they are people (unlike rocks). but there is another level, too, and that's that rock collecting is a legit hobby too–with passion and creativity, and for all that rocks are not human, the way the dad feels about them is part of what makes him one.
(human, that is. even though the mom kinda treats him like a rock. oh halp. rabbit hole.)
ps. is it too much to say that rocks are also sort of the opposite of bubbles in a way? i don't know how significant that is; just a thought.
egads aka Dame Maggie
May 25, 2019 at 5:37 PM
Rocks, rock stars, I’m also dead. LOL.
I think we’ll learn more when we find out exactly what the childhood connection is.
egads aka Dame Maggie
May 25, 2019 at 5:33 PM
Good grief, I just realized Deok-mi’s parents are literally using sticks and stones as shields.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 27, 2019 at 5:32 PM
waaaat!!!!!!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 24, 2019 at 9:15 AM
still an errand boy…forever an errand boy.
hannaehh
May 24, 2019 at 9:45 AM
Tell me about it, I’ve been errand boy for almost 2 years 😂
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 24, 2019 at 10:08 AM
waaahhhhhhh!
SnarkyJellyfish
May 24, 2019 at 10:16 AM
We need to start a club. Or at least unionize.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 24, 2019 at 10:29 AM
yessssss!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 24, 2019 at 10:30 AM
that’s supposed to be a “card-carrying member” of errand boys, because we’re like, oh help i’m explaining my own attempt at a joke.
SnarkyJellyfish
May 24, 2019 at 10:49 AM
I could not for the life of me finish Goblin (it was fine, it just got too draggy and bloated for me) but that was legit one of the best gags ever.
But now I kind of want to design an “Errand Boy” card? It would obviously be matte black with shiny black writing on it.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 24, 2019 at 11:08 AM
i haven’t seen it, either, but the gifs are always so good (and there are just SO MANY). and that sounds like exactly the perfect design for an errand boy card!
Ally
May 24, 2019 at 4:03 PM
+1000 for the Goblin GIF!
mugyuljoie is preciousss
May 25, 2019 at 5:35 AM
Yes to a union!
mango
May 24, 2019 at 10:31 AM
Be strong! I thought I would not level up but it happened recently. Cheer up long-term Errand Boys!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 24, 2019 at 10:33 AM
hope from the other side!!!!!! thank you mango <3 <3 <3
Yuyuu, The Drama Queen
May 24, 2019 at 11:50 AM
*sigh*
Same here 😭😭😭