Iron Family: Episodes 15-16 (Drama Hangout)
by DB Staff
Welcome to the Drama Hangout for KBS weekender Iron Family, starring Kim Jung-hyun and Geum Sae-rok.
This is your place to chat about the drama as you watch.
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1 GySgt213
November 16, 2024 at 7:07 PM
Cha Rim sure is delusional.
Did you date? No.
Did you kiss or something? No.
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PYC
November 16, 2024 at 11:29 PM
Grandma has the best line!!
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Dorotka
November 16, 2024 at 11:49 PM
Haraboji was also like No, no, then it is not dating. 😄
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Blue (@mayhemf)
November 17, 2024 at 3:34 PM
They were so funny!!
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 18, 2024 at 10:19 AM
They were always very close to being a couple. So though it sounds delusional, it's not really.
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2 tabong is ironing the crosswalk
November 16, 2024 at 8:30 PM
EP15
Brilliant.
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GySgt213
November 16, 2024 at 9:13 PM
What are your thoughts on the MBA Film School scandal?
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Nquintela
November 16, 2024 at 10:27 PM
Ridiculous!
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OldLawyer
November 16, 2024 at 10:45 PM
Our Chairman totally mishandled this situation.
This is a fashion company- they shoot commercials and other promotional materials all the time and it is only logical to have an executive who is fully versed in the field. An executive who has this additional education should be publicly announced with great fanfare- and noting that he did it on his own initiative and his own dime while also getting his MBA would enhance his reputation as an executive and make him look like someone who is highly capable [as underscored by the fact that he received a prize], dedicated and well-rounded to the point of picking up additional useful skills.
Our Chairman has a bad habit of letting his emotions get the better of him.
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Dorotka
November 16, 2024 at 11:06 PM
That's a very good point.
I was thinking that maybe if Kangju is kicked out of the company, it could be a good thing for him and his dream of being a film director. Unfortunately his relationship with Chairman would suffer. Now I see he could have had both if Chairman was more flexible and used Kangju's talent well within the company.
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PYC
November 16, 2024 at 11:31 PM
Spot on @oldawye! That film degree is absolutely value-adding to the company’s core business. The Chairman tends to see what he can see but not beyond.
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nerdy
November 17, 2024 at 1:10 AM
I would disagree. For the fashion company that most likely delegates the task of shooting the promotional materials to marketing companies, the executive having a film degree is at best marginally useful. If anything, it looks like the guy wanted to be a film director but due to the family's pressure, chose to do an MBA.
If he were to actually want to pick an additional skill for his work, getting in a fashion school would have been a more logical choice.
The chairman feels betrayed, because he once again is reminded how much fragile his relationship with his son is. Had Crosswalk felt comfortable around his father, he would have pursued film directing (and everyone would have been much happier).
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Dorotka
November 17, 2024 at 2:28 AM
I think it depends how you look at it. Given the situation, I think that as a businessman, Chairman SHOULD have tried to sell the second degree as a plus point. And he also should have seen Kangju's talent as a movie director and use it for his company well. Then Kangju would thrive and he would also get the recognition from his Stepdad he wants so much.
(Though I still think the best would be if Chairman let Kangju do what he wanted - study movie directing - and recognise and praise him for that. But then we wouldn't have any drama. 😁)
nerdy
November 17, 2024 at 2:36 AM
@dorotka Oh definitely! Just letting the guy do directing and giving him an assignment to shoot the commercial time to time, would have been more than enough. Actually, I skip a lot of their scenes. Did the dad actually force him into business or at least discouraged him to do directing? I had the impression that Crosswalk adopted the "I want to be like you" mindset all by himself and did MBA to get brownie points from his dad.
Dorotka
November 17, 2024 at 3:42 AM
@nerdy
If I remember correctly, there was indeed a suggestion of some promises that Kangju dropped his dream. Thus I think there is both, Chairman disregarding movie directing as a career (and wanting a successor) and Kangju wanting to be a dutiful son.
DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 4:35 AM
I don't think you can call it brownie points in this case.
More like a dog treat. He so, so wants to be loved, and his (step) dad is so screwed up.
His holiness is pretending to keep his private life away from business, and scoffing at his son suggesting he cancel a meeting, but he was so fazed he couldn't even speak right before. He is imagining himself so be some patriarchal perfectness, but he is so unloving to everyone.
That boy so needed something steady in his life that he is willing to ignore his own passion and talent, though he really sucks at business. Maybe he has never been asked to do that, maybe he could have talked to his (step)dad about what he was good at, but I doubt it.
The director has his head up his own *rse when it comes to judging merit and values.
Imagine you find out a girl you have been dating for ... was it three years? ... has been a half-prostitute at the same time. That would maybe make you feel betrayed, but wouldn't you worry about her too? And I know "I will kill you" is usually said in anger, but he seemed like he actually meant it. And imagine to feel above taking any kind of care of that son ... She didn't get pregnant by IVF, did she?
GySgt213
November 17, 2024 at 6:21 AM
I think the biggest problem is not the degree but that someone has made an issue out of it. So they have a PR crisis on their hands.
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OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 11:18 AM
Which is actually what makes my point: When you get a lemon, make lemonade.
A Fashion company can really use this knowledge. Even if Crosswalk never directs an add or films any other sort of promotional material it has to be of value to the company in having someone who can distinguish good filming from bad- the company can definitely benefit from this by avoiding advertisers who do not do good work. Perhaps they could even experiment with inhouse production and actually have Crosswalk direct such a production (studios can be rented and the needed skills supplied by freelancers- no major investment is required).
This is why the Chairman is mishandling the PR situation so badly- he should be treating this as a feature in Crosswalk, not a bug. He is letting his insecurities override his judgment: Someone as capable as our Chairman is should have taken this approach immediately.
Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
November 17, 2024 at 7:51 AM
Because of the big deception of his 1st love, every lack of transparency is treated as a betrayal.
Kangju has been true his step-father and the company, from what I can see. The Chairman made an emotional decision that does not reflect the subtleties needed for a CEO position. There were other choices.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 18, 2024 at 10:20 AM
Or his lack of emotions, sort of. Most of the time, he is either horrible or completely horrible.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 4:25 AM
Seems Tae Wong has inherited his business talent as well as his holy self-righteous *ssholeness from his biological dad.
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
November 17, 2024 at 7:44 AM
I think that is the appearance but I am not fully convinced by the DNA test yet. That straw moved around an awful lot before it was tested.
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OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 11:23 AM
I am- DNA is far too specific and unique for that sort of mistake.
Unless the DNA showed a relationship the lab would have simply said "no relationship". You can only get a match when it is actually there- it is not possible to get an accidental match.
The only effect of the straw moving around would have been a sample that was too contaminated to test- and the lab would have said so if that were the case.
DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 11:32 AM
Buuuut since it was thrown out and picked up again, it might have been swapped at some point. The cleaning lady might have been asked for it while we weren't looking and just gone: [shrug] What's the fuss? Whatever. Kangju left this straw here, I'll just put that in a zip bag and place it between the papers on the Chairman's desk".
DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 19, 2024 at 4:09 AM
Then again, since we know his mother (I thought until recently he had been living as an orphan, so I thought he didn't know who his mother was) but since we know that, then the chairman is probably his father. If she has actually cheated on that account, I will be very disappointed in the writers.
Dorotka
November 16, 2024 at 10:55 PM
I'm again loving EVERYTHING!!
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3 Dorotka
November 16, 2024 at 10:53 PM
I have to admit I'm not getting much why is it such a problem that Kangju studied two schools in the States, especially when he paid for the film academy. I can understand if Chairman feels betrayed, but that should not be reflected on Kangju's work position.
What I do understand is Chaerim's anger at Taeswoong (he is swoony when he cleans up and puts a suit on. 😊 Again, like father, like son. 😊) Chaerim has been always clear, she was attracted to him, but couldn't date him, because she needed financial stability. That's actually a sensible approach. But Taeswoong? He concealed exactly this important information about himself (and this is not about telling his exact account ballance, none has right on that and he can do whatever he wants with his wealth) and Chaerim rightly feels being betrayed.
(Oh, I can't wait when they meet again. 🙃)
The most touching moment for me this episode: Chaerim hugging Aunt and congratulating her on her divorce.
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OldLawyer
November 16, 2024 at 11:03 PM
I also fully understand her frustration with our 2ML. She has been upfront with him about how she sees him and what was stopping her. It would be one thing if he actually did not desire her and care about her.
I am wondering if it was really pride that made him hold back or an unwillingness to acknowledge what he really feels.
Maybe the reality is that he is just as insecure as she is.
It was indeed really neat to see her hugging her aunt and telling her she did the right thing.
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Dorotka
November 16, 2024 at 11:20 PM
Probably both. Though with the recent blind date incident I think he now knows how he feels. 🙂
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 5:20 AM
He should have spoken up when she asked him.
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OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 11:27 AM
You are absolutely right about that. Our 2ML has a c bit of a cowardly streak in him.
OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 11:26 AM
Yes, I think that was the whole dramatic purpose of the blind date in this story. The fact that she did ask him also shows us where she is as well. It really served to clarify the situation for the audience.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 5:20 AM
The aunt being scolded for leaving that horrible man was so unfair. We are not allowed to have a single saint in this show, even grandma is being unfair.
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
November 17, 2024 at 7:32 AM
And this is one of the reasons I like this show.
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
November 17, 2024 at 7:33 AM
That all the characters have flaws and, at the very least, glimpses of admirable qualities.
DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 9:49 AM
Though it may not sound like it, I like it, too.
OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 11:28 AM
I could not agree more. We can love our characters precisely because they are not saints.
OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 11:32 AM
This is just the initial reaction of the grandparents who were left completely in the dark by their daughter right up to the moment when she announced the divorce. That initial reaction is understandable. They will see things differently once the whole truth comes out. That is when they will pull up the mattress to get her a good lawyer (I hope) because clearly she needs one.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 11:43 AM
Maybe. Or maybe she really thinks that it is spoiled and egoistic to leave a man in any circumstances, unless they are at least life threatening.
I have heard that my grandma (one of them, the other one would *never* have said that) once said to my aunt, her daughter-in-law, that "Men are so wild" and by that she was implying something like the content of the "Stand By Your Man" lyrics.
Well, there were no divorces or anything, but I am pretty sure my aunt didn't think that it should be shrugged off and put up with as just "boys will be boys" (including grown men).
nerdy
November 17, 2024 at 1:27 AM
This episode, I actually felt like the show was slightly cruel in its depiction of Cha Rim. Her need to find a financially stable guy as not to struggle like her mother was perfectly reasonable. After finding out that the guy she liked forever lied to her and essentially treated her as a gold digger who could be repaired, I expected her to be hurt and angry and for the show to treat it respectfully. Instead, Cha Rim screaming on the rooftop in frustration was so comical and the phrase "it is unfair" sounded so irrelevant to the situation, it seemed like she betted on the wrong horse on the horserace.
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Dorotka
November 17, 2024 at 2:13 AM
I understood it that Chaerim felt played on all accounts.
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OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 11:40 AM
Yes, our SBOO probably does not see it that way, but she really was. Now her anger at his callous approach has become the big roadblock on the path to their future happiness.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 4:41 AM
To be fair, she never said "financial stability" but always "a rich man" etc.
If she had said "I need to see that you worry enough about money for a family of more than just us two to live. (and since it's Korea, also: ) And when we have children and I will need to go half-time or no-time, I need to not worry about ending on the street, I don't want my child to be found in a laundry box,"
then he might have thought differently about it.
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OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 11:45 AM
There are highly logical and analytical women who could have done that, but Cha-rim is not one of them.
Putting things in those terms was actually a defense mechanism: She was working more to convince herself as she much as she was pushing him away. She was trying not to give in to temptation as it were.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 1:03 PM
You are right. And maybe hoping to tease him into richdom.
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OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 1:18 PM
That too- she knows him well enough to suspect that he has the talent- and she has even seen him looking at a stock's candle-stick chart. The surprise is that he has actually achieved his full potential rather than just sort of playing at it.
GySgt213
November 17, 2024 at 4:59 AM
Secrets are what put the drama in K-dramas. Almost always someone finds out and exposes them before the ones keeping them are ready to disclose them sometimes causing more problems than the secret. Now the family feels lied to.
I am waiting for Tae Ung's explanation as to why he kept his wealth a secret from the family.
I guess I will remain in the minority on Cha Rim. Her desire to marry a rich guy is her issue and Tae Ung is not under any obligation to solve that for her.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 6:11 AM
His whole thing has probably been to not be chosen for his wealth. Or, when he met them it will have been to cling to the wealth because poverty was frightening ... or something.
Of course, he definitely bought all those houses to keep the neighbourhood like he knew and loved it. To , not have a whole gang of slackers, but also to let their work be enough to keep them in their houses etc.
WIthout them, maybe the rent would have gone up to a level that would have left them on the street. And by now, a lot of people will expect him to be their free lunch.
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OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 11:47 AM
That is also a part of what is going on.
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kdramakat
November 19, 2024 at 4:13 AM
I initially thought Tae Ung kept his wealth a secret was because he wanted Cha Rim to accept him for himself, and not whether he had money. I now feel that his secrecy was because he wanted to stay in their family, especially with his adoptive mom, and did not want his wealth to change their attitudes towards him. I'm agree with you about Cha Rim. Even though I understand where she's coming from I just can't muster up any sympathy, and I was petty enough to feel smug about her comeuppance.
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abalyn
November 20, 2024 at 12:11 PM
I am with you! Just because you have a defense mechanism to not say what you mean and hurt those around you doesn’t mean that it is okay to do that. Cha Rim doesn’t seem to care about what he is going through at all.
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GySgt213
November 20, 2024 at 7:19 PM
She doesn't have to keep putting it crudely. It's like she was rubbing the fact she always assumed he was poor in his face. Therefore you can't have me.
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
November 17, 2024 at 7:40 AM
I loved seeing the connection between Cha-Rim and Aunt. A much needed perspective. I feel like we're seeing a multi-generational reaction to the divorce - women keeping other women in-line, etc.
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
November 17, 2024 at 7:59 AM
And the Aunt cleaning the windows - Ha! I need a gif of that
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OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 11:50 AM
It does serve the dramatic purpose of showing s that she will be helping out at the laundry- and this in proximity to Bom and Bom's dad. Baby steps.
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4 OldLawyer
November 16, 2024 at 10:53 PM
Our SBOO's baby momma is manipulating events and the Chairman. I wonder if she is really sick. I suspect that she is not and that is what our 2ML found out in New York.
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Dorotka
November 16, 2024 at 11:10 PM
Ooooh, that's a twist I totally didn't think about!
And here I was having a pity on her during that phone call fit of Airhead Mom...
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OldLawyer
November 16, 2024 at 11:13 PM
Of course, I could be wrong
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Dorotka
November 16, 2024 at 11:23 PM
...or not 🙂
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PYC
November 16, 2024 at 11:41 PM
I think you’re right but her son may carry the blame (as the misunderstood person).
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OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 10:55 AM
That is quite possible- and also simply as the bearer of the news.
Blue (@mayhemf)
November 17, 2024 at 3:37 PM
And flew in economy and flew back in business class. I wonder what cooked in NY!
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PYC
November 18, 2024 at 4:04 AM
That’s intriguing - and the camera zooming into the ticket that fell off the table.
Another question I have of Ep 16 is “the only inheritance I can give you” that the the bio mom told UT. Does she mean the NYFS diploma?
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OldLawyer
November 18, 2024 at 6:29 PM
Yes, she does
DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 4:46 AM
There's an obvious reason that police woman/mother in law is so hooked on status. She's clinging to it.
And she is probably afraid that the chairman will kill her if he finds out where she is.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 6:15 AM
I don't think she is simply a villain. But she might have said she was sick to get her son out of the way and get a chance of ... whatever.
I'm not wrong that it is police-mother-in-law, am I? Or am I falling in the "they all look alike" drench? I don't think so, because it makes so much sense that 1) she would long for the opposite of being a hostess and 2) that she would be annoyingly concerned with status. And maybe even that 3) she would want to have laundry mother's son in her house as ... retribution? apology? some kind of symmetry, at least.
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
November 17, 2024 at 8:05 AM
I had not thought of that at all.
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
November 17, 2024 at 8:06 AM
Has there been any mention of Kangju's bio father? Have I missed that?
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 8:49 AM
It would be so fun if his stepfather was actually his father. Though the boy deserves better.
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wapz
November 18, 2024 at 6:30 AM
I think you are confusing Tae Woong's biological mom and Mu rim's police mother in law as the same person. They are not. They simply have similar hair styles. They are different women.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 18, 2024 at 7:07 AM
Yes, thank you, I have checked that they are different actresses now. And I apologise to anyone involved.
But I am not convinced that their similar hairstyles are coincidential.
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Crone_Heart
November 18, 2024 at 12:47 PM
Police mother-in-law is not Tae Woong's birth mom.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 18, 2024 at 1:00 PM
No, I admit it's pretty obvious now. When I made my theory, I had only seen the college version, and it seems obvious to me that police-mum has something she is covering up with all that policeness. I don't mean "Being a gangster" but some shame, or former poverty, or the like.
To me, the two women reminded me of each other, and I thought it had been made less clear because it would be a surprise for us later. I am a bit disappointed, actually.
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GySgt213
November 17, 2024 at 2:56 PM
I think she is really sick and she is the one that spilled the tea on ML. Set up her son within the company.
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OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 3:37 PM
That is also a possibility.
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5 nerdy
November 17, 2024 at 1:41 AM
- Loved that Tae Woong has bought half of the neighborhood. It just shows that it was the whole community he cared about.
- Yeah. The Chairman getting slapped was well deserved. With how quick Chairman was to dismiss Tae Woong, I genuinely believe he might have abandoned him had he learnt of his birth early on.
- The show talks simultaneously about how bad the poverty is and how shallow the women who want to get out of the situation are. The conversation in the beginning on how "low" it is to date a bar girl and how the woman's clothes were too exposing, was uncomfortable to hear; So was, seeing Cha Rim's hurt at Tae Woong's lie painted as a joke.
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Dorotka
November 17, 2024 at 2:48 AM
Airhead Mom has very simple views, typical. On the other hand... Bio Mom has been living in the lie for 3 years?? That's a bit too long.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 4:52 AM
I was surprised at the three years, too.
But imagine she fell more in love with the Ahole all the while, desperate to achieve a status where she could leave the professionel cheerful drinking behind her and not have to lie anymore about how she could afford her neat clothes and food. Plus probably, she has been providing for her family in that time, too.
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nerdy
November 17, 2024 at 6:13 AM
Imagine the dedication for going to university for three years and not even getting a degree out of it.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 6:19 AM
Oh, but she has just walked around pretending to study. She has only literally been going - or walking, rather - to univiersity, physically.
But maybe, in the meanwhile, she got made enough to be able to attend polics school.
Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
November 17, 2024 at 7:55 AM
I LOVED her this episode. The phone rant was everything. The indigination, the vulnerablity mixed with her baseline crazy - she did it so well.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 5:09 AM
If there had been an orderly qeue to slap him, I definitely would have gotten in line. He wasn't slapped nearly enough.
But the best slapping would be a truth bomb, puncturing his holier-than-though position.
I think what would really be a slap in the face for him was to be called out on his coldheartedness and hypocrisy.
He could ask himself why he let laundry girl behind just because a pretty girl was carrying some sheet music. Wasn't it disloyal? Or was it even love or did he just want the status that followed along?
He can ask himself what right he had at getting angry in that way with her. If she had told him, would he have provided for her and her family?
He can ask himself how he would treat his stepson if he actually loved him. And if he does love him, why he has never shown it.
He could ask himself what his biological son has done to him, since he feels he must even bother him to tell him he doesn't want him.
He could ask himself why he hasn't been approached to pay alimony or anything. Didn't he participate at the boy's conception? So how is it none of his business?
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WHat he did to his stepson after the discovery was unjust, but I suppose he did it, not because he would have done the same to any other employee, but because he obviously would be accused of nepotism, so it hurt the company's reputation more.
But the rumour that spread did not include the fact that the boy actually studied in his spare time. If the chairman had taken a deep breath, he could have announced that, and *then* pushed the boy in the direction of his actual talents.
I am beginning to wonder if airhead mum has maybe at some time been a more reasonable person that has been driven to desparation by that horrible man.
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OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 11:55 AM
Airhead mom has always been an airhead. You have to have a real talent to be that airheaded.
But your points about our irrational Charman all stand.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 17, 2024 at 5:18 AM
I agree that the perspective on women who do not want to be poor or even who do not want to starve is distasteful. And always with the slutshaming.
But maybe this was a part of the thing that goes around, exposing the flaws of every person - laundry mum is of course not objective in this matter. As I recall, what'shername was fairly neatly dressed?
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6 N
November 17, 2024 at 7:06 AM
I feel that Tae Wong is behind what happened to Kang Ju. I think it serves two purposes, to humiliate Kang Ju, but also to corner and hurt the father. He’ll probably threaten the father to hire him and recognize him or expose him publicly for abandoning him. The guy is out for revenge at any cost and he’s just starting. The father is so into appearance and looking good that he’ll probably go for it, for the time being anyway.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 18, 2024 at 11:59 PM
I don't think Tae Wong wants to be hired by his stepdad. He would rather make his company go down.
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7 Dorotka
November 17, 2024 at 3:47 PM
Oh my, Aunt's and Bom's Appa's love line has started! 😍 What a gentlemanly beginning... with a kdrama forced proximity. 😊 I love it. 🙂
SBO Oppa was in such a rush to meet his dying birth mom... and then instead of a hug and reconciliation he had to listen to some scheming 😪 (No Aeri, you highly disappointed me!)
What a stark difference with the worries and welcome of his adoptive family.
Btw, I don't believe SBO Oppa has anything to do with the current Kangju's scandal.
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OldLawyer
November 17, 2024 at 11:23 PM
What a lovely foreshadowing moment for Aunt when we saw her nestling into the chest of Bom's dad to avoid being spotted by her Unni. She is going to be lot happier with such a real gentleman.
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Dorotka
November 18, 2024 at 1:40 PM
And after her experience with her rich flashy but trashy ex, Aunt will now appreciate the calm love of Bom's Appa. She now knows what really matters. And Bom's Appa seems to be a hidden gem.
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OldLawyer
November 18, 2024 at 6:34 PM
Bom is a pretty special kid- who is being raised by our widower father by himself. That is a pretty good clue by itself as to just what a gem he may be. As you said, maybe she is now has the perspective to truly appreciate a man like him.
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OldLawyer
November 18, 2024 at 6:36 PM
Pardon the really bad grammar. I should not be in such a hurry to press send.
PYC
November 18, 2024 at 4:15 AM
The first close encounter of the aunt and Bom’s dad is certainly a pleasant surprise - how gentlemanly it is!! I approve.
I thought the bio mom was behind the film degree exposure - until TW said to DR that “I got crooked”. If he was the one, then it’s an act of revenge rather than a takeover.
Love, love the heart-to-heart talk between TW and DR’s mom. If anyone deserves the best, it’s this woman whose generosity and kindness is with no bound.
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TwoCentsWorth
November 18, 2024 at 4:40 AM
Oh, that'd be quite a twist! I too had thought the bio-mom, and in the preview TW might just be taking the blame out of frustration. That scene btwn TW and adoptive Mom was so heartbreaking. Loved mom, and my heart also went out to him as he wept. But if he got Crosswalk into trouble...
Crosswalk was so adorable. When he called Da-rim a little bird and fed her. 😍
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OldLawyer
November 18, 2024 at 6:45 AM
The email was sent from New York at the time that Tae Ung was in SK or on the plane to New York. It is his Bio mom - and he was not pleased with her when she handed him the envelope and said this is your inheritance- his response was simply to say "Stay out of my life". But it appears that he will take the credit for it because he is really mad right now- at his bio-father.
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OldLawyer
November 18, 2024 at 6:52 AM
I should have said that Tae-ung is also jealous of Cross Walk as well- and he does not want him around our FL. He is not trying to take Crosswalk's place but damage to Crosswalk is no doubt a bonus.
But the root problem here is that our Chairman failed to handle this properly because of his trauma caused by Tae Ung's mom.
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Dorotka
November 18, 2024 at 1:56 PM
I'm not sure it is jealously, he just doesn't trust him with Darim and is overprotective. And because Crosswalk belongs to Chairman's family and business, it is dialed up.
I completely agree about Chairman.
Dorotka
November 18, 2024 at 1:45 PM
They were absolutely squishable during their kimbap date. 😍
Darim is still blind in her love life. 😄
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OldLawyer
November 18, 2024 at 6:38 PM
She is indeed 'blind' in her love life but somehow finding the right path forward anyway.
DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 18, 2024 at 11:54 PM
You don't have to be blind to love him, even if he is not reasonable all the time. THen again, as for flaws, she is extremely flirty with oppa.
I mean, I am usually frustrated with the very cautious hugs people give each other - or even don't - in kdrama. Hug so that it's felt, for God's sake! But then ...
Sitting spread-legged on the lap of a young man ... ehm. More than I would consider appropriate even with my non-puritan, non-South-Korean eyes.
8 pickleddragon
November 18, 2024 at 8:18 AM
Halfway through the series, it feels like so many secrets are out, but so much more is still to happen! Unbelievable! We're at ep 16 already, and this could go on for a while. Such impressive storytelling!
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Dorotka
November 18, 2024 at 2:10 PM
I absolutely love the storytelling!
(I think I say it every week 😄)
I usually talk about the good balance of humour and serious moments. This time I want to mention the beauty of the small moments - this week for example, I loved how we didn't need any dramatic music, just chairs outside on the street and Haraboji and Halmoni with Bom sitting there and nagging and writing messages to Taeung. And you knew that underneath they were anxious and waiting for Taeung to return.
Or Aunt sitting on the street... being lonely... and Bom's Appa coming out of the grill restau and noticing her... I just love these little moments.
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OldLawyer
November 18, 2024 at 6:40 PM
These are the details that tell us that we have a good director. Such details really make a difference.
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PYC
November 19, 2024 at 2:44 AM
The aesthetics!!!! I love them all.
The neighbourhood set may be seen as a low budget construct but the thoughts and details don’t go unnoticed. I like the stone wall design opposite the laundry shop (when they could have just a plain wall). I like that it’s a meandering street that makes it more interesting. And the Tiffany blue they use for the newly renovated laundry.
Another thing that impressed me is the company’s triangular staircase where the sisters met up for chats and the ML couple eating kimbap. It also reminds me one of the most important scenes in Seo Writernim’s Jealousy Incarnate.
On storytelling, despite the numerous twists and turns in the past 16 episodes. I never feel it makjiang - not once.
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OldLawyer
November 19, 2024 at 2:22 PM
I agree with you about the set design. Low budget does not have to be sloppy, and the set designers have done very well on a limited budget.
And you are right about the lack of makjang (so far). There has been limited suspense, but the show's description says 'thriller' as well as family and romance so at some point we may have to buckle up for the ride.
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Dorotka
November 20, 2024 at 6:23 AM
The funny thing is, it actually is a very makjang setup - secret money stolen from a former loan shark, a poor girl going blind miraculously saved, a biological son suddenly turning up and possibly threatening the built up empire, a poor orphan being secretly rich... but... the drama chose to be a comedy and a warm human family drama. At least so far.
PYC
November 22, 2024 at 5:09 AM
Yes, so many twist and turns in a light-hearted way that you just ride along without felt being pushed - ‘sublimed makjang’.
OldLawyer
November 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM
Makjang Comedy? perhaps we have a new subgenre.
9 Crone_Heart
November 18, 2024 at 9:35 AM
Ugh. I've only made it through E15 so far, but seriously, the Chairman is a flaming a**. For someone who prides himself on being the ultimate "businessman," his decisionmaking is overly emotional and reactive. Seems to me that he is almost looking for a reason to kick Kang Joo to the curb. I'm guessing that it is slimy ex-hostess posting on the internet in an effort to distance the Chairman from Kang Joo and position Tae Woong to step into the breach.
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OldLawyer
November 18, 2024 at 6:43 PM
Which is exactly what she meant by this being her only "inheritance" from her- but Tae-ung does not want this.
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Jeremygirl
November 20, 2024 at 9:49 AM
i think we are going to see the Chairman really just wanting Kang Ju to do what makes him happy, and if that is film, to follow his heart. He commented on how Kang Ju won an award! He is upset now but i really do think his heart is in the right place. I am optimistic anyway.
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Nat
November 20, 2024 at 6:36 PM
This is my thought as well. The chairman maybe using this opportunity to set Kang Ju free to follow his dreams. Non the less, the chairman is so cold. I wasn’t too sure if he was sarcastic when he said that about winning an award.
I don’t understand or missed something, but did Kang Ju get fired? Why is he still going to office to sit in the hallway doing nothing? Is this so a kind of public shaming? It doesn’t seem humane if this is factual.
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Crone_Heart
December 9, 2024 at 2:48 PM
Yes, a public shaming. Apparently, that's a think in corporate SK as the same hazing technique was used in The Good Manager. It's awful.
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10 OldLawyer
November 18, 2024 at 7:09 PM
Things are turning darker as episode 16 ends. Our FL’s Oppa is back from his honeymoon and starting to ask questions about all that wedding money. Our 2ML is unable to get over his abandonment issues or his jealousy of our ML whose need to be accepted by his stepfather in turn clouds his perceptions and decisions. Said stepfather was so traumatized by his First Love that he has become irrational and hurt our 2ML needlessly once his paternity of 2ML was revealed- because his buttons were pushed in the worst possible way. Which in turn only pushes our 2 ML’s buttons in the worst possible way. So, all three men have become totally irrational: We see our ML literally bashing his head on the table, our 2ML stiff arms Chae-rim and our Chairman screws up handling a PR ‘problem’ that should have been treated as anything but a problem- and suspends our ML.
But one thing that we did get to see is that our ML has not been as useless as we thought- in his absence his team is actually helpless. It never occurred to our chairman that training in film direction might actually endow the student with excellent skills in ‘directing’ corporate business and staying on top of all the details that go with it: Something that your classic MBA does not really teach. It appears that what he lacks is only an appreciation for the creative side of his designers.
Meanwhile the secret of our 2ML’s riches has been revealed.
We also got to see the initial ‘meet cute’ of our FL’s aunt and Bom’s dad. This is a caring gentleman- which her ex definitely was not.
We are reaching the midpoint of our story. Some lovely things are happening but mostly we are likely to get a rough ride for a while.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 18, 2024 at 11:46 PM
I have zero respect for the chairman's trauma. I could understand that being lied to for three years is traumatic, but it is at one time obvious why someone would lie about being a hostess, ... and that would be for him to accept her, not because she was "cheating" with those men.
So while it is not nice to be lied to, the really hurt person in that situation is *obviously* her. And his "love" was shallow, conditioned by her not being in a hard situation. Or otherwise he thought that she was in love with the men she had to drink with? That's the fantasy of a john.
His reaction was to threaten to kill her, and after that, he has had the same arrogant disgust with everybody else.
When we meet her, as her son has travelled to see her, she seems kind of inauthentic, but if she is traumatised to be a superficial peoplepleaser, I can understand that better than him hardening to (wo)mankind.
ML has been irrational all the time in his love for his stepdad. But I guess, compared to his toddler mum, the stone-in-a-suit seems like someone he can rely on and look up to. Anyway, ML can't see that he shouldn't put up with this, because his stepdad has his undeserved admiration and loyalty.
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jerrykuvira
November 19, 2024 at 12:15 AM
But one thing that we did get to see is that our ML has not been as useless as we thought- in his absence his team is actually helpless.
I was so deeply glad that this happened. Everyone seems to think everything was handed to him on a platter. And, even if it was, we learn that he worked hard to measure up to what was given to him and he is still working. I was so surprised that he is also a wear designer that sells the market like crazy. I'm more surprised that his team members were shocked that he's been the one handling it. He isn't sitting pretty. And, it provides more reasons as to why he reacted the way he did to Cha Rim's actions last week.
Now I hope this disheveled state of their planning and production stage gets to the ears of Ji. I, for one, did not like how he handled things. Didn't even let him say a word. I was disappointed. Ji is making it all about him. I understand why he's so particular about people lying to him but he can't just shut people out like that. I didn't even like the way their chat in the sauna went. I don't think that was a chat at all. There was no difference between that and the conversation that occured when it was first revealed.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 19, 2024 at 4:06 AM
I am not disappointed in Ji because he is always making everything about him, so I did not expect this to be different.
I would assume that the show will be more on his side as to being the "tragic" hero of loving a half-prostitute, considering the slutshaming habit of K-dramas, but there's some hope it will not, considering, for example, how our daisy heroine starts out having sex very young with a guy who isn't even really her boyfriend, and then later definitely enjoys the body of her "oppa" more than... more than western-loose-morals-me finds appropriate for someone who is almost your sister's boyfriend and also somehow your big brother.
What I'm saying is that Tae-wong's mother's experience could be taken more into account, and maybe the script will also have an opinion on threatening death to someone because they are (almost) sexworkers. (Anyone who knows better than me can tell me what you call someone whose work it is to be sexy and cheerful and not get angry at improper conduct towards them but who are still allowed to keep their clothes on during working hours).
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Dorotka
November 20, 2024 at 6:28 AM
I'm glad that we could finally see also the competent side of Kangju! 🤸♀️
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Jeremygirl
November 20, 2024 at 10:21 AM
With so much going wrong for him, this development warmed my heart so much. It was good to see the writer giving us a character who really has so much depth - he doesn't have the Chairman's DNA and he does love film, but he took his job and position seriously and went above and beyond to make his team successful. i want only the best for this dork!
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11 kakuzeh
November 18, 2024 at 9:57 PM
Love the chemistry between the Da Rim and Kang Joo when they were sitting on the stairs eating kimbap!
My least favourite characters are Cha Rim and Tae Ung. Tae Ung's acting really irks me. He always has the same expression on his face.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 18, 2024 at 11:32 PM
I am pretty sure Tae Ung is supposed to have that kind of stoneface. He is stiffling all his feelings up in a mix of anger, pride, and self-righteousness, and that gives him one expression that only changes slightly, but definitely not have emotions flickering over it the way Kang Joo's face has.
When Tae Ung (or -wong) is angry, he looks stern. When he is hurt, he looks a little bit more stern. When he is aroused, he looks frightened for half a second ... then stern, with a little extra sternness.
It comes from being hurt, but he ends up being an inconsidereate A-hole, very much like his biological father.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
November 18, 2024 at 11:33 PM
And I think he plays that role well.
Of course I like Kang Joo better. He is lovely.
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Jeremygirl
November 20, 2024 at 10:23 AM
i love Tae Ung. He is loyal to his Laundry family; as Da Rim pointed out, he never treated her differently when she couldn't see and when she could, and hid his wealth so he could stay in his Laundry family's life. He isn't perfect but he is amazing.
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12 LaurenSophie
November 21, 2024 at 4:40 PM
This was not a great week for either Cha Rim or Tae Ung. In fact, both episodes showcased their worst qualities. I trust the writer of this show is going to get us to a good place with both of them, but right now, I find them to be extremely lacking. Plus, if I'm supposed to see this as a love story, a lot of work needs to be done because although I thought I got Cha Rim, she seemed incredibly shallow, self-involved, and fickle this week. Her dressing up for Tae Ung once she discovered that he's rich did not sit right with me. And Tae Ung scoffs a bit too much for my liking, and seems perpetually irritated and irritating. I wish we had seen more longing or a deeper connection between these two if they're ultimately going to be together. But again, I trust this writer and will see where this goes.
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