A Virtuous Business: Episodes 7-8
by quirkycase
Our extremely put-upon heroine struggles to deal with the aftermath of her traumatic experience, but she finds support in both expected and surprising places. Meanwhile, our hard working mom of four deals with her own crisis that threatens to add further financial and emotional burden to their already struggling household.
EPISODES 7-8
We pick up right where we left off last week with Jung-sook’s traumatic experience with yet another terrible man. Thankfully, Jung-sook wasn’t injured but she’s had enough of being the talk of the town, so she keeps the attempted assault a secret, even from her partners. Do-hyun promises to do the same and instructs the department to keep the victim anonymous, but a detective blabs to some ajummas, so the whole neighborhood rumor mill starts up again. That’s how the rest of the quartet hear about what happened to Jung-sook (who didn’t even take a break from work, although her PTSD makes it impossible for her to work as usual).
A cute conversation between Min-ho and Dong-woo about facing a bully makes Jung-sook realize she shouldn’t cower as the innocent party. The four saleswomen suit up – Ju-ri gives them a fierce makeover that includes winged eyeliner – and go to the police station. They’re there to counteract the neighborhood ajummas who are making a statement… except for once, the ajummas are on Jung-sook’s side. They testify in her favor and say that no matter how they feel about the adult products business, they know that Jung-sook is a good person. The man is most certainly guilty.
Having the support she needs, Jung-sook is able to face her attacker. She shocks the room by screaming at him and even hitting him on top of his head like she’s playing whack-a-mole. Do-hyun, and everyone else at the station, insists they saw nothing. Wink wink.
Things finally start looking up for Jung-sook who is promoted to Geumje’s branch manager for Fantasy Lingerie. Now that Jung-sook’s life starts to calm down, Young-bok’s life begins to get more complicated. She discovers she’s pregnant with her fifth child and worries how they’ll be able to afford another child while they’re barely getting by as it is. She’s planning to have an abortion.
The situation brings to light that her goofy husband PARK JONG-SUN (Im Chul-soo) is has an unexpected backstory. Apparently, he used to be a seasoned criminal who did heists! It’s not that Young-bok has to support them because he has no skills or can’t hold down a job – it’s that most places won’t hire ex-cons.
His old partner gets out of jail and tempts him with a job: being the getaway driver for a robbery worth millions of won. Jong-sun wants to stay on the straight and narrow like he promised Young-bok, but he hates not being able to contribute while they struggle in poverty. Watching him sweetly tuck his children in and quietly sob how sorry he is to Young-bok while they all sleep in their one room is heart wrenching.
Geum-hee learns of Young-bok’s struggles, and they get the chance to further bond. Geum-hee thoughtfully buys a box of cute hairclips for Young-bok’s daughters and encourages her not to give up hope. Although Geum-hee comes off as a woman who has it all, her life isn’t all she thought it would be. We get flashbacks that show her as a young woman, determined not to live a “normal” life. She told her now husband on their first blind date that she would never have kids and would live as a modern woman. He was adoring and promised much, but as often happens, he began taking her for granted. He does start to make more time for her, though, so maybe there’s hope for them too.
As for Ju-ri, she starts to pay more attention to Dae-geun after hearing his mother Young-ja telling him not to come to his grandma’s birthday celebration because his lack of education will make him say something embarrassing. That is cold.
Ju-ri and Dae-geun end up drinking together, and he’s painfully earnest which endears him to Ju-ri. He apologizes for his misunderstanding – he thought she liked him because she told him he looked like a celebrity. After he cries over not being able to be with his grandma, he and Ju-ri drunkenly make out. Dae-eun is then absolutely besotted with her, but it was his first kiss, so he vacillates between being ecstatic and worried.
Meanwhile, Jung-sook convinces Do-hyun to let her help him on his quest to find his birth parents. He doesn’t hold anything back and makes her a full investigative partner. He even lets her into his basement lair with all his investigation materials. As with everything, Jung-sook takes her job seriously and dives right in. She starts slipping casual questions in while chatting with her ajumma clients, hoping to gain some intel.
Do-hyun finally asks Caption Seo about the arson case and learns that all the parents whose children were taken left Geumje long ago. He sneaks a peak at Captain Seo’s notebook and learns where some of the families now live. One family owns a wedding hanbok shop, and Do-hyun struggles to focus while Jung-sook pretends to be his fiancée so they can look for clues. He really loses focus when she tries on a pretty hanbok.
Although the mother of the kidnapped baby is for sure not Do-hyun’s family, seeing him gives her hope that she might reunite with her own son one day. She assures him his own mother is certainly waiting for him too. Jung-sook breaks down sobbing, prompting the woman to ask Do-hyun, “Are you sure she’s not your lover?” HA.
I like that Jung-sook is getting the chance to help Do-hyun, even if it’s more in an emotional support way. He’s the actual detective and doesn’t need much help in that area, but he’s touched by how enthusiastic and determined she is to do everything in her power to help him. And she really does give it her all. But being around her so much flusters him to the point he starts avoiding her, which just makes her think she’s been a terrible investigation partner. It gets worse when he gets so flustered on the phone while she asks why he’s avoiding her that he accidentally hangs up on her.
Jung-sook takes it with her usual grace and returns his materials to him, apologizing for not being helpful. She takes her leave, but then immediately turns back to say, actually, she’s upset at all his mixed signals and feels backstabbed. Then she doubles back again to apologize for what she just said. Haha. Do-hyun finally uses his words and admits that he’s been avoiding her, but not for the reasons she thinks. Then, he hugs her.
While Do-hyun and Jung-sook are having a moment, across town, Jong-sun makes a panicked call from a phonebooth to an ambulance. He shakily tells the operator, “Someone is dead.” It looks like he decided to do that job after all.
Okay, I did not expect goofy Jong-sun to be a past career criminal – that was a solid character twist. It explains a lot about their family and dynamics. With all the questionable men in this drama, it’s lovely to see a man who adores and prioritizes his wife and kids. I’m dreading how bad things are about to get for them as a family with this latest development. Seeing someone so kind and trying so hard make a poor decision for good reasons with such dire consequences is tragic. Does no one just get to be happy in this town?
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1 welh
November 5, 2024 at 10:12 AM
The farmer’s assault and attempted rape basically ends on the local women re-stating their claims when his wife left 2 years ago. Everyone sides with Jeong-suk but she learns from her son to stand up for herself. The 4 ladies are slowly growing their inner circle to include more town’s women. What was the weakest part of the story in episode 7 was Dae-Geun’s. He cannot see his grandmother because he is unsuccessful? Really? He may be shy, awkward and not the brightest bulb, but he is still family. I guess the only one who sticks up for him is his sister. (I think pairing him with Ju-ri is too forced and strange.) But what bubbled to the drunken surface is a growing theme that Korean men are mostly introverted, perverted, clueless, socially awkward, inept, man-children and yet, aggressive. This theme seems to be targeted toward the growing number of current Korean women who are afraid of Korean men or find them basically useless. As such, Jong-sun appears to be at the edge of going back to a life of crime. Pharmacist Choi may be a jerk at times, but he is still a competent professional as he correctly diagnoses Young-Bok. I found another convenient “get together” when Do-Hyeon allows Jeong-suk to help him find his parents. Her note that surprised him the most was the possibility that his parents are still looking for their stolen child. He must have never thought of that . . . really, when the country has a national data base for foreign adoptees looking for their parents? (My theory is that the fires and stolen babies was part of a profitable foreign adoption business.)
Episode 8 has our obsessive detective losing concentration because of Jeong-su’s kindness and beauty. But the heart of this episode was the difference between Young-Bok and Geum-Hui’s marriages. Geum-Hui went on one blind date and laid down the law: she would be a modern woman who would not have children. In a conservative era, that was unknown. But a month later, Won-Bong comes back to propose - - he would accept her terms. But on her anniversary, Geum-Hui starts to feel regret with her decision as she is jealous of Young-Bok’s full house of children. Young-Bok’s difficult situation is all tied to her husband being an ex-convict. This is why he cannot get work. Young-Bok knows she cannot support another mouth to feed, but her husband does not want her to terminate. Later, she relents as she mends an infant’s clothes. This is why Jong-sun is desperate to provide for his family (to the point of this weekend’s cliffhanger). I thought last week Jeong-Suk would have to hit rock bottom in order to prosper, but it looks like Young-Bok will take that role.
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anon
November 6, 2024 at 1:05 AM
The British series had a good amount of humanized men by contrast but it dragged out the separation with main girl's husband being a good dad and husband(cheating aside) but created a frustrating love triangle. All the marriages felt organic and the youngest couple were very open and active. I wouldn't mind the men being gentle and goofy and incompetent(specifically the pharmacist, the househusband cat boss) because it can be positive and lovely. But theres also a sort of being too much of wet noodles with their women. The character description had said Geum Hee and her husband both didn't want children with him repeating how he hates noisy children but then it turns out he made this choice because he wanted to be with her more than not actively wanting any. I'm not sure how I feel about it. In the original they had wanted children but they were unable to have any because its implied he couldn't have any. The youngest couple in the original also had a growing miscommunication with her demands making him feel too pressured and he ends things for a while before he gets advice and then he communicates honestly and talks of his insecurities and established boundaries before committing going forward with marriage. From the beginning I kept feeling cat boss ex-con husband was overdoing it like he was overcompensating more than in the original where they were more normal.
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kd6606
November 6, 2024 at 10:25 AM
While I agree the men are not the shining stars in this drama, to me it seems like a comment on women's old traditional roles. I am not sure what era the drama takes place, but it is clear that it is one where women are supposed to be the homemakers and not the breadwinners. Where options for women employment are limited, and where men's needs take precedent. This is a nice slice of life drama about what that can actually mean when one's man doesn't actually have it together. Or, when, like the pharmacist, the man is a good breadwinner yet doesn't let his wife to be an equal partner. And how women figure ways to have power and take care of themselves within these constraints. This drama has a lot of heart
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Minni
November 6, 2024 at 11:52 AM
It is set in 1992 but in a rural part of Korea. The majority of the town's shops seem to be run by the women. Most of the families we see we understand both husbands and wives are working. Very few of the ones we see are housewives. Three of the main FLs were housewives of whom two took on part-time jobs over the years because their husbands were not earning. Only the pharmacist's wife used to be a teacher oncelong time ago in the past but is now only a housewife.
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2 tabong is ironing the crosswalk
November 5, 2024 at 10:21 AM
I love this show so much!!
1. I love how all the neighbors went there to testify in JS's favor. When they were calling her in the street, I had the feeling they were calling her to comfort her, and I'm glad that I was right.
And I'm glad hardware ahjumma knew that what her husband did was wrong and felt in debt with JS. I still don't feel all that comfortable with her, since she said many nasty things about Jeong Suk, but at least we know that she isn't just hateful for fun, and she does respect JS as a person.
2. This week was more focused on the couples and I'm totally fine with it. I love them all!
2.1. I'm so happy Jeong Suk has finally started to see how supportive and thoughtful Do Hyun is, and that she's feeling more close to him.
And him swooning everytime he interacts with her, to the point dude can't even speak on the phone properly. Awwwwwww. I love them so much.
And Jeong Suk helping him, getting more nervous than him, and even crying on his behalf, and him finding comfort in her words and actions... aww, they're so wonderful. I love them.
I hated the hug tho.
2.2. Ju Ri and the pharmacy dude are fun together. I wonder if her future MIL will be happy that someone's interested in her son or if she's going to make a fuss about Ju Ri being a single mom.
And I hope he gets to see his grandma soon. No one lives forever, he should cherish her all he wants while he can. No, but, why is he listening to his mom? Just go to your grandma boy!
2.3. Omo, Cat Boss really was a Cat Boss. That's why he can't find any job. Aigoo. Too bad there is no Deer company here.
Yong Bok and Cat Boss used to be the fun and color, but this time they made me cry. A lot.
I just wish them the best.
And I'm going to ignore what happened in that final scene, because why? Like, WHY? Having a ML detective doesn't turn this into a crime show. So, why?
2.4. It was so sweet to see Geum Hee and her husband remember the day of their marriage like it was yesterday. Even though their dynamic has changed, it's clear that they have always loved each other and they always will.
And it seems like Geum Hee doesn't want to live the modern life anymore...? But that is a lie obviously. If it was a simple change of heart she wouldn't look sad, but excited.
Oh! I loved how her husband literally ran to her after getting approval from his parents. And now he's running to get her a scarf, aww.
3. Oh, the strong makeup!! They looked so fierce! Loved it!
And Jeong Suki was looking beautiful in that hanbok too!
4. I loved how Geum Hee was comforting Young Bok. And I love that she didn't even question anything about her husband.
While Young Bok was scared of losing this friendship, Geum Hee was too busy buying things for her kids. She didn't doubt YB once.
I really love how supportive and understanding they are of each other. These little moments are everything.
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Aigoo-ka-choo
November 5, 2024 at 11:26 AM
Hard agree with this. The character layers in this drama are everything. The collection of beautifully observed moments are like charms on a bracelet.
To me the only bum note was also the 'hug'. The issue of consent in K-dramas is often a thorny one - but this felt wrong in the context of our heroine having just experienced an assault (and still clearly suffering the aftereffects).
Also, (this may be a translation thing) I'm not really into the idea that he wasn't sure how he felt about her, so he had to grab her and forcibly hug her to confirm it one way or the other....Um, dude, just work it out for yourself!
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tabong is ironing the crosswalk
November 5, 2024 at 11:58 AM
Exactly. I skipped those first ten minutes and still felt uncomfortable, so Idk why the guy who literally was there would think that force her in his embrace was a good idea.
And yep, pretty sure he can figure out that without her help.
It's a shame because I thought he was going to confess, and I was so excited to see her reaction. But that random hug is just ? I don't know what to do with that. "I don't know what I feel so let me hug you"? that's something I wasn't expecting from him.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
November 5, 2024 at 12:09 PM
I don't think he will confess so fast; she has just been divorced, it would be almost like stepping up at a funeral and saying: "Oh, and by the way, if your bed feels a bit empty now, just give me a call".
Okay, not quite, but you know what I mean.
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tabong is ironing the crosswalk
November 5, 2024 at 12:25 PM
Well, when they were talking about the fantasies she said she wanted to start having fun. Like you said, she's divorced now. She can do whatever she wants.
Plus, a confession doesn't mean that he's going to ask her to date him.
I would prefer an honest confession than all those misunderstandings she was creating in her head because of his lie, or or a forced hug.
He can just tell her that he's trying to keep his distance because he's starting to like her and that's "inappropriate", and then she can decide what to do (or not do) with that.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
November 5, 2024 at 4:29 PM
I so felt with her when she was listing all the reasons he was probably mad at her.
Rejection sensitivity: It's a real thing.
Aigoo-ka-choo
November 5, 2024 at 12:43 PM
Nobody's perfect but I think the 'I wasn't expecting [it] from him' is the part that makes it particularly disappointing.... He is such a great guy in other ways and has been very cute in his gentle interactions with her...this felt very jarring.
Also, if the hug is for him to see whether he likes her or not, then what's the negative scenario? "Oh, I just pressed my body against you without asking, and now I've decided I don't fancy you after all. Soz "...😬👀
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tabong is ironing the crosswalk
November 5, 2024 at 12:48 PM
Exactly, it's because it's him.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
November 5, 2024 at 4:12 PM
"Pressing my body against you" is a rather exaggerated way of describing a hug that doesn't turn sexual. It was closer than K-drama hugs mostly are, but I saw it as a man who was more or less dissolving; He didn't assert his dominion over her, he more like collapsed in her arms, not like someone who is physically hurt, but like someone who needs another human desperately. And he is obviously in love with her, but also, he keeps a distance from most people, among others his colleagues, so when he opens up to her and the closes down again, his loneliness becomes palpable.
But he is (again, obviously) caught up in falling for her versus the appropriateness of starting something with someone who has just come out of a year long marriage, and had not exchanged "I love you"s with him. So he is sending mixed signals from the mixed signals he is receiving from his sense of decorum and politeness on one hand and his loneliness, affection and
sproutingbudding feelings of love.***
And I know it was closer than the standard hug, but not far from a hug I would give someone I had had a good talk with after a good talk, even if we just met the same day.
Aigoo-ka-choo
November 5, 2024 at 8:59 PM
I think it's a great indication of how invested we all are in this couple (I am shipping them, anyway!) that this has sparked so much discussion 🤣
I would make a few quick points in response to @ceciliedk
1. My description is what it looks like when you hug someone who doesn't hug you back.😬 This was very much non-reciprocal, and as Hacja pointed out, it would have been obvious to him that she was non-responsive, so not sure why he continued. Her arms are tightly pinned by her side throughout.
2. I think it's quite likely that when we see the continuation of this scene next week, she may then respond, which is great.
But in the part we saw she seemed uncomfortable, which is what matters, whatever his intention was.
3. My issue isn't even really with the scene between them. She may have been surprised but I don't think she was freaked out. What I really don't like, I guess, is the modelling. It's a bad idea to be modelling that its OK to impose any kind of physical contact with someone who's only recently escaped a sexual assault.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
November 7, 2024 at 6:55 AM
You're right; the modelling of that old cliché "hold her/kiss her til wh begs for more" is something it would be really nice to be without looking forward.
I myself has had a continuing series about kisses and consent, because the FL's often show clear signals to not want a kiss and still, that kiss is depicted as "romantic".
I felt differently about this as for yet, maybe because I didn't see it as idealising as much as him just hugging her drunkenly as one last thing before letting go - contradicting his own attempt to ignore her.
But you are right: It is still not okay. Too many women are hugged (etc.!) by too many men who apparently cannot be expected to hold back. Even if you prefer a wordless hug, consent can be asked without words, and it would benefit all of us to expect that: Even if someone has a dream of being "taken" by their love while they are will-less in his strong arms, they will probably not enjoy it so much if its not him. So everybody, expect to be asked, one way or the other, and to answer what you mean, not some coy "oooh no!" if you mean "More! more!".
empressgirl
November 5, 2024 at 5:05 PM
The hug felt odd and rings a false (and cliched) note to this largely authentic story
I have a slightly different take about what the hug means though. At first, I thought he meant he wants to be "sure" (that he likes her, or she gives him the feels etc) but I think he is referring to a story beat that happened earlier
Remember he had a dream / nightmare? And in a half-conscious moment he thought he woke up and saw JS, then pulled her into his arms. All that "avoiding" and confusion pretty much started from this inciting incident (even before the pretty hanbok story beat).
He hugs her at the end cos he wants to know whether that whole hug was real, or his dream.
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empressgirl
November 5, 2024 at 5:06 PM
As in, IF he were hugging her at the end because he wants to confirm whether what happened earlier was merely a dream or something that really happened - THEN that hug made sense to me (and is perfectly in keeping with the story and tone)
Aigoo-ka-choo
November 5, 2024 at 9:02 PM
My only problem with that interpretation is that he literally checks and double checks that it wasn't real at the time... so he already knows this.👀
hacja
November 5, 2024 at 1:24 PM
I hated the ML being rude to the FL in an attempt to push her away, because he "liked" her. Why did he do that? She's divorced, he admires both her beauty and her character--just let things flow! No need for any action at this point. If you are shy or uncertain, don't confess, but no reason to try to repel her! Just see how the relationship develops!
I assume that because he is “only” in his mid-30s and he grew up in the U.S. in the 70s and 80s, he is afraid of feeling sexual attraction. Of course all men who respected women who grew up in the later twentieth century in the U.S. (e.g., YOURS TRULY) were so timid and shy we acted like 12 year olds afraid of girl's cooties when we reached our thirties. HA!
That's not even to mention what everyone says above that out of the blue he hugs her in the street and she goes rigid and he can't sense that, let her go and then at that point explain himself-- say “sorry I did that, but I really like you and I couldn't say it.”
I should mention that in the 1990s I was about the same age as this character supposedly was, also having grown up in the U.S., and I found his behavior, incomprehensible--unless like every other man in this show, he is so emotionally immature he doesn't deserve the FL, an assumption I am now making.
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Aigoo-ka-choo
November 5, 2024 at 1:54 PM
I appreciate your understandable rant 🤣
To use the modern parlance of semaphore 😬, this was a guy waving a lot of green flags (makes a pleasant change!) and then suddenly one big red one for no apparent reason!! grrrr.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
November 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM
Nobody in this show ... except for the hairdresser's son ... are really grown up. Our FL is almost grown up, and next to her, the friend with the lovely ex-con husband. The men (except the 8-year-olds) may be even more immature, but it's not like the gossipping women are like real grown-ups most of the time.
To feel good about that I suggest you watch My Sweet Mobster, because in comparison with the gangsters there, the grownups (even the men) in this town are all wisened old hermit philosophers. 😉🦉🧠👨🏻🦳👨🏻🦳🧔🏻♀️👨🏻🎓🧙🏻♂️
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
November 5, 2024 at 11:33 AM
I think she wants a mix - what she doesn't want to do is concentrating her whole life on hoping to impress the towns VIP's and get scolded by her husband for not being modern enough *and* for sticking out and having other hobbies than flower arranging.
Initially, to me she seemed to be someone who would be happy staying at home, if her husband would come home early and be happy to spend time with her. But that's not what he did. And she was so lonely she was trying to bribe our FL to stay a little extra with whatever excuse.
And I think she would love to have child ... I think she might end up either adopting or being a kind of bonus mum to Yong Bok and Cat Boss's children?
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tabong is ironing the crosswalk
November 5, 2024 at 12:14 PM
Ohh, that's interesting.
The toys business gave her the "modern life" (I don't really know what that means tho LOL) she wanted, with a job to enjoy and also some new friends to spend her time with, but maybe in the family department she wants something more classic with kids and more time with her husband.
And now that you mention it, it would be lovely to see her interact with Yong Bok's kids. She has all the qualities of the "favorite aunt", the aunt you know that is always thinking of you.
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welh
November 5, 2024 at 12:41 PM
My initial thought was Geum-Hui to have her Pharmacist husband hire Young-Bok's husband.
There still a real big missing piece in Geum-Hui's backstory. A "modern woman" to me meant that she would not be a housewife but have a career. What happened to that direction? Did the move to a rural village isolate her from her family, old friends and career prospects?
And I think she does have regrets, not about her marriage, but about her decision not to have a clear purpose.
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empressgirl
November 5, 2024 at 5:17 PM
Re: My initial thought was Geum-Hui to have her Pharmacist husband hire Young-Bok's husband.
Yes I wanted that too!
So our Shim-Shin star wannabe can also upgrade and go get his pharmacist degree and see his na-na!
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anon
November 5, 2024 at 10:35 PM
By coincidence the original Cat Boss too had a backstory of being a small-time thief before he was scouted by bulldog dad into the gang. Hes out of luck no matter if he chooses crime or normal life. He needs Vincenzo and a shopping arcade to save him and give him a job.
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anon
November 5, 2024 at 10:40 PM
The original British drama also had this ex-criminal husband who had it hard due to his prison record but had a temporary job at least which was about to be made permanent so his temptation by the devil to do a crime "for family" was more of a loss. It had nothing to do with the same policeman ML investigating so it was the most pointless piece of plot(even the ML being in the police was pointless because it was irrelevant to even his hunt for his biological parents). The accident itself had sole purpose of making Geum Hee get into this sales herself because her husband's shop started having cash problems and she was hard-pressed to sell her wedding ring. But the couple agonizing over his crime and keeping secrets while feeling guilty and getting blackmailed by the husband's friend went nowhere. The most suspense it created was when the two husbands meet in a wedding after months and he treats the man who left him to die by the side of the road as a drinking buddy who in turn looks guilty as hell. And then it ends in a 2 minute fight between the two wives with the Geum Hee feeling betrayed by the Young Bok before Young Bok gives birth in the middle of the grand ceremony they are hosting in the last episode and the new baby suddenly made everything okay. (I'm sorry I can't remember their names). He finally does confess his sins to the police(again not ML, who will solve this case in kdrama). But unlike Cat Boss, he didn't follow his initial human instinct of calling for help but drove away and wasn't shown calling after.
Also different is how while the husband in the original didn't want her to terminate from the start but she'd put her foot down. And this was before the doctor told her that with her age and bleeding she might miscarry by nature if she strains herself, which in original makes her scared of losing the baby and realising she didn't want an abortion after all while Young Bok rationalizes their situation with the same information. Cat Boss's palpable fear however becomes clear in their fight that what if something happens to his beloved wife during surgery. Having no money and no ability to help her makes his fears ten times worse than normal. Its not so much that he wants another kid than he is beset by fears.
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3 Kafiyah Bello
November 5, 2024 at 10:37 AM
I love how positively chaste the romances are in this drama. Between our husband and wife couples and our cop/top manager. Their fantasies were much sexier.
Also, I knew the butcher lady wouldn't bad mouth her. The towns folk are nosy as hell, but seem to be good people.
I hope our resident househusband/catwalker didn't do it. That would be sad, the man was trying so hard.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
November 5, 2024 at 11:36 AM
Whether he actually said yes to being the chauffeur or not, (I hope he didn't), I am sure he is not the one who killed that dead person. I feel so sad for him!
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empressgirl
November 5, 2024 at 5:19 PM
I don't think anyone died or will die.
But it does seem that house hubby may have done a hit-n-run by accident and got our pharmacist hubby all knocked up
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4 vienibenmio
November 5, 2024 at 11:40 AM
Did any other musical fans get Carousel vibes with this episode? "You can have fun with a son but you gotta be a father to a girl"
I'm sorry, but I just don't care enough about the male lead's mysterious backstory to have kept my interest during those scenes. That hanbok was GORGEOUS though. I just don't really get scenes where they do the "wow, look at her all dressed up" reveal when it's a character who's already known to be a hottie. Like, the pretty female lead, who we know has won beauty contests in the past, looks pretty in a hanbok? Gasp!
The village seemed less terrible this episode, but early on I was thinking the four women should move. I work with sexual assault survivors and the female lead's acute response was both realistic and upsetting (I was practically yelling at the TV, "Stop avoiding! Feel your feelings! Talk to supportive people!" )
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5 Kurama
November 5, 2024 at 11:49 AM
Do-hyun and Jung-sook: I love their relationship. They found each other at the good time (a good timing is so important). They both help each other in a differen way. Jung-sook sobbing in the shop was so funny. She's a pretty funny character without trying like when she was tipsy and made goings and comings to tell everything she needed to. Her honesty lets him opening to her.
Young-bok's story made things very serious between her unwanted pregnancy and her husband's past. How can they refuse to hire such a cute husband?
I was wondering why Geum-hee didn't have kids and I'm happy to know it was her decision.
These women never cease to amaze me!
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tabong is ironing the crosswalk
November 5, 2024 at 12:34 PM
She's funny in such an adorable way. I kept smiling every time she would come back to the camera frame to say something.
"How can they refuse to hire such a cute husband?" IKR? T.T
The scene of YB pretending to sleep while he was crying was so heartbreaking.
"These women never cease to amaze me!" x2.
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Aigoo-ka-choo
November 5, 2024 at 12:48 PM
Just to add to 'these women never cease to amaze me' - this writer never ceases to amaze us,💖 because all this incredible character complexity is in the script. The amazing cast are just bringing it to life...
(I haven't seen the UK series it's based on, so I don't know how much of it is from the original, but props to that writer as well) 👏
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6 Blue (@mayhemf)
November 5, 2024 at 12:51 PM
I love our ladies and the way they support each other. Just watching them bond makes me happy. I was so relieved that the townspeople came to support her. They may be gossipy but have decency.
I like the added story to each husband. It makes them more relatable.
I did feel the romance kinda didn’t work for me. May be I expected a slow burn. But I can see how these two work for each other.
I would have liked a few scenes with the ex-husband doing father duties like baby sitting but he completely disappeared. I wanted the child to spend time with his father with whom he did have a good bond.
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Aigoo-ka-choo
November 5, 2024 at 2:07 PM
I did a lecture once on gendered language and how it reinforces sexism (you know, the difference between 'spinster' (sad cat lady) and 'bachelor' (having the time of his life), the way 'slut' is only used to condemn women.... and 'gossip' is an interesting one...👀
All I would say, is that I thought it was fascinating that the only real 'gossip' in this week's eps was that annoying detective, who let the cat out of the bag about the assault. 😱(I find him intensely irritating - his petty jealousy, his incompetence, and now his bragging and taking credit for things that other people have done)... he will probably get a redemption arc, but for now I hate him as much as his outfits!🤣
I thought the twist with the local women was another way in which the writer defied our expectations nicely..
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empressgirl
November 5, 2024 at 5:24 PM
Yes to your last point.
I also thought the backstory about hiring discrimination this week also shows how discrimination affects employment across genders.
Earlier on, JS had doors closed on her too even though she is eminently qualified to do book-keeping because they didn't want to hire a married woman (they wanted a single and pretty girl). Then, followed by her own trouble-maker hubby who also hurt his job opportunities with his bad rep for getting into fights. and now, house hubby with his criminal track record.
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7 hacja
November 5, 2024 at 2:02 PM
I like this show fine, the women are great characters. I realize the main point of the show is the development of the four main characters and the female bonding that’s occurring. And I’m definitely enjoying that, but two things already mentioned keep me from loving the plot.
As @welh640 already alluded to, all the male characters, not to put to fine a point on it, are just stupid dolts, whether they are nice guys or not. (I'm not going to get into whether that is accurate in real life or not.) None, zero, are worthy partners for the women. The last straw for me was the MLs behavior last episode, as I mentioned above.
2. @kafiyah-bello calls this drama "chaste." I'm going to be a little harsher. This is a drama about the selling of sex toys, and yet, probably to reassure those who might be offended, there have only been two kissing scenes, both comic--the husband suddenly turned on by his wife in a negligee, and the young pharmacy assistant drunkenly mauling the equally drunk hairdresser. There were no scenes that even hinted how customers who bought the lingerie/products might have their relationships changed, or have increased physical intimacy because of them.
Abortion was suggested, but as ALWAYS, it won't happen.
The show, therefore, somewhat ironically represents the repudiation of sexual attitudes that supposedly its characters are fighting for, and that might be linked to their rights as women. The idea that sex isn't always dirty, and in fact is perfectly fine IF non-exploitative and linked to loving relationships or marriage would seem to me to be a logical theme for a show like this. But as always in kdramas, no matter how bold the women are, the men won't cooperate, either not having entered puberty yet in their 30s, or regarding sex as something that exists only to gratify male desire, loving marriage be damned.
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Aigoo-ka-choo
November 5, 2024 at 2:14 PM
surely you're forgetting the memorable in flagrante delicto sex scene with the husband and best friend!! (Yes, I am joking, but whilst we're on that - I remember wondering at the time if it was a deliberate ploy to make having affairs seem like a terrible idea, because that looked like the most passion-less sex imaginable)...
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empressgirl
November 5, 2024 at 5:29 PM
My pet theory: that best friend was using JS's hubby to get pregnant, that's all.
1. They couldn't have a baby after 8 years - it may be a strain on their marriage
2. this girl has a reputation for being a prude since back in school
3. She really didn't look like she was all that passionate in that scene
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hacja
November 5, 2024 at 9:28 PM
I agree with what you say here--I didn't forget it but I didn't even count it! I do wish there had been a reference to a couple of more positive experiences, though, again, I know that really isn't the point of the show.
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8 loveblossom🌸
November 5, 2024 at 3:56 PM
I really like how things are unfolding. I'm not frustrated by the plot and minor obstacles. The 90s time period definitely helps. Nice to see the drama delving into the stories of the other characters besides Jung Sook. There are bad people, but there are also good people around her. I knew the town ladies would have her back after she had that nightmare about them.
Jong Sun & Young Bok. T_T <3 These two were so cute and teasing before. Now they totally made me cry. Their separate dilemmas make their story more compelling and serious. I liked that the drama is bringing up realistic issues like the cost of childcare and living while they have low income. What options do they have including abortion.
Dae Geun's and Ju Ri's drunken making out was so real lol. Abrupt, awkward, passionate. XD I like that he hasn't gotten his haircut. I don't think she's fallen for him yet or as much as he has fallen for her.
Do Hyun looking all mesmerized by Jung Sook in her pretty wedding hanbok is one of the tropes I love! So sweet to see a hanbok version.
I adore Jung Sook. She has been consistently kind, strong, and hard-working. It was cute seeing how much she wanted to prepare and do well to help Do Hyun with his investigation.
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jillian
November 5, 2024 at 5:06 PM
I like Jung Sook's earnestness in everything. Its especially endearing and quite telling that she is going all out to help Do Hyeon. She may not realize it yet but she is on the road to falling for him.
Jeon Son and Yeong Bok 💕 I udnerstand their pain and challenges. I hope they will get theough this together. I understand why she is considering it but I hope she will keep her baby.
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empressgirl
November 5, 2024 at 6:56 PM
Re: I like Jung Sook's earnestness in everything
THIS!
And I like how it is also played for comedy:
"Left-handedness and moles are not genetic btw." 🤣
and how she recalls a whole string of her "missteps" and "bloopers" in helping his investigation, and was aghast! It was so endearingly comical
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jillian
November 6, 2024 at 4:32 AM
Endearingly comical is a good way to describe it. I feel sorta bad that her conclusion to him being cold was she did something wrong. She has not picked up on his attraction to her at all.
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I ♥️ bad dramas
November 6, 2024 at 9:57 PM
And it's is so in character for her to not pick up on his attraction and also to blame herself instead of looking for more reasons.
9 Lostpanda is celebrating My Ajusshi 💔
November 5, 2024 at 4:09 PM
This show was doing fine on it's own - it did not need a murder to advance the plot. sigh.
and yes, agreed 100% that all the men here are portrayed as prepubescent idiots.
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10 jillian
November 5, 2024 at 5:02 PM
I am happy Jung Seok gets to help our ML find his own birth parents. I have a feeling that we may already know who his mother is. There are a few candidates at the right age that are in town. I am leaning towards one in particular esp with the hints in the latest episode.
I hope Yeong Bok's husband will not be implicated further in that crime/murder. I would hate for him to go to jail again and be separated from the family he loves.
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ar_arguably romantic
November 6, 2024 at 4:33 PM
same! I have someone in mind too as to who the mother could be.
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jillian
November 7, 2024 at 11:23 AM
With only 4 episodes left. We may find out if our guess is right, as soon as next week.
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loveblossom🌸
November 7, 2024 at 11:28 AM
Ooh I haven't noticed who could be his mother! I need to take another look. XD
I feel the same about her husband. I hope maybe he was going to be the driver, but changed his mind last minute or arrived to the scene late with the intent to stop his old acquaintance.
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jillian
November 7, 2024 at 5:25 PM
I am hoping he has no hand at all at the crime. I am wishing the same as u that he was the first person to see the body. But because of his history, it may not be easy for him to remove police suspicion in his involvement.
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11 empressgirl
November 5, 2024 at 5:09 PM
Love this show btw - it's so gentle and thoughtful.
And the aesthetics, colours, art direction and production design: LURVE
I look forward to watching this every week
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12 9TailedVixen (formerly 9TailedFox)
November 5, 2024 at 5:49 PM
This show has a bean from me and is fast becoming one of my favourite dramas of 2024 - the actresses playing the 4 friends AND Writer-Nim all brought their A-Game to this.
So far, this drama has pushed back against:
1. Rape culture
2. The negative prejudices against single mothers
3. Street harassment
4. Victim-blaming
5. Slut-shaming
6. Domestic violence
And it has tackled:
1. Sexism
2. Misogyny
3. Toxic masculinity
4. Abortion
5. Menopause
It has also introduced one of the best MLs of the year.
I take my hat off to you, Writer-Nim. And I hope this drama sticks the landing.
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13 I ♥️ bad dramas
November 6, 2024 at 1:17 AM
The progression of Jeong-sook and Do-hyun's relationship this week made me squeeee so much!
She finally notices him as a person! Which makes her go all in to help him. While she's yet to look at him as a man, he's already there and doesn't quite know what to do with his ballooning feelings. His stunned look and her beauty in the hanbok store were everything.
For a person who's brusque and straightforward, watching him all befuddled and avoidant is quite funny. What's even funnier is Jeong-sook's innocent deductions trying to explain his unusual behaviour.
She made me want to hug her when she kept turning back to explain how his behaviour is affecting her. His expressions then were priceless, i was eagerly waiting to him explode with a confession. But alas, the hug left me a deflated balloon.
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14 ar_arguably romantic
November 6, 2024 at 4:51 PM
So glad the town's ladies stood up for Jeong-suk and satisfying to see her punch the rapist in the head.
I love the idea of tickets to the latest erotic movie as a way to promote their business. And I love the idea of all these women sitting in the theater watching the movie.
Not feeling the hug at the end. Part of me feels like it was inserted just because it was episode 8. I did love how Jeong-suk got Do-hyun to consider maybe his mom was looking for him too and the whole hanbok shop scene.
Geum-hee and her husband's back-story was such a surprise. It was sweeter than I expected and I'm glad the husband decided to celebrate their "national holiday".
Part of me wishes Yeong-bok would warn her husband to stay the eff away from his shady past associate. That dude reeks of bad news.
Yeong-bok's husband's scene when he returned from drinking was so heartbreaking. I hope he gets a vasectomy in the future. They already have 4 kids and the house is at overcapacity. I'm impressed with the oldest girl who is able to study through it all.
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15 late as always
November 7, 2024 at 5:54 AM
Here in the states, I've been hiding from the world for the past couple of days, and I thank this show for helping me to do that. A few of my favorite things:
1) Cat Boss as a (sort of) normal guy. I've seen Im Cheol-su in a bunch of things and he's almost always comic relief, which he's great at, but I really enjoy seeing him as a normal (ish) person in a family with a range of real emotions. I'm hopeful, verging on confident, that he actually did nothing wrong leading up to his panicked phone call, and that it will all be resolved fairly quickly and happily. On the other hand, I was hopeful going into our elections, too, so what do I know.
2) Do-hyeon: you know what I like best about him? He's not pale. His skin is dark and has a healthy glow, like he actually spends some time in the sun. I do wish, though, he would be more friendly with his colleagues. I actually have some sympathy for the cop with the mullet. He's annoying but not a bad person. Maybe if he wasn't rebuffed at every turn he'd calm down a little.
3) All three of the friends. Can't decide who I love the most. Probably Ju-ri, as I'm a sucker for a character who isn't apologetic about who they are. But Young-bok is a close second, and Geum-hee is pretty great too. Wonderful casting!
I'm hoping we will pick up some of our dropped threads, like Heo Yeong-ha and her cheating husband. I'd love to see her stand up for herself with him instead of taking out her unhappiness on her son and the women in her orbit. Also, I agree with whichever beanie said the "affair" between Seong-su and Mi-hwa was her last-ditch effort to make a baby. Even during the scene, I was struck by the resigned, almost pained look on her face. I'd like to see some kind of tentative beginning of a thaw between her and Jeong-suk. Not that what she did is in any way okay, but I can't help feeling a little sympathy for her unhappiness.
Weird that we haven't seen Seong-su at all for a few episodes. I thought he'd be popping up every time Jeong-suk and Do-hyeon are together, throwing around suspicion and jealousy. Waiting for that scene. I hope and expect that it will be Jeong-suk, not Do-hyeon, who puts him in his place.
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Kurama
November 7, 2024 at 6:06 AM
I'm really happy Yeon Woo-jin kept his dark skin ton and followed the trend to become whiter!
White shirt look good on him.
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late as always
November 7, 2024 at 7:05 PM
It really does....
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