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[Drama Chat] What the workplace is going on?

This week’s chat comes from an already-discussed hot topic, but was suggested by @babylilo as a subject that’s worth more debate (I agree). The issue? How dramaland portrays professions and professionals, and what we viewers are willing to squint and let pass versus what sets our brains on fire for its lack of, well, reality.

For instance, there are the questionable legal procedures we see in {insert nearly any legal drama title here} and even more so, the doctors of dramaland who so readily share patient information with anyone. I would sooner count the doctors who say, “I can’t share that information with you” than the ones who spill the beans.

But this workplace issue extends beyond law and medicine to portrayals of other careers as well.

So Beanies, what are you willing to put up with when it comes to K-drama career portrayals? Is there a point at which you draw a hard line (maybe because of personal knowledge), or do you find yourself more forgiving of this stuff, because Plot.

 
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I am looking forward to this discussion as I know dramas like DNA lover and The auditors were two prime examples of no link to the reality of the job roles.
Dr Slump poor soundproofing, immediate use of medication for depression and no conversation re the ‼️⛔️ re prescription meds and alcohol. This was an issue knowing how hard it is for Korean dramas to positively depict the appropriate use of psychological support for mental health conditions .
I can however turn a blind eye to DNA lover ridiculous theories because it is fantasy but not having work related material in the home which she then burns not for confidentiality reasons but because she is moving on to the next victim and needs to clear space.

Dear Hyrie comes under my ‘this is fantasy’ banner so it is fine to have ridiculous displays of mental health because it just happens to use a real life term.
Can’t accept active patient doctor relationships turned into personal relationships such as shown in Bad memory eraser and Kill me Heal me. This is an abuse of power with vulnerable people and is an ethical issue in all professions that leads to being struck off the register. Therefore it is the equivalent of showing Domestic abuse gaslighting as an appropriate relationship building approaches and even in fiction needs to be called out for what it is.

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I’m someone who works with genetics in my job and I’m not watching DNA Lover but I am reading the recaps. I agree the whole thing seems to be fantasy, but it still feels like a missed opportunity to me. Not that I expect kdramas to be champions of science communication, but I did hope that the person who is supposed to be a genetics researcher wouldn’t be so desperately bad at genetics and science in general (burning the research materials? Smh). That wasn’t the thing that turned me off the drama (reading the recaps I feel confident in my decision not to watch) but it certainly doesn’t make me feel like I’m missing anything.

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I dropped SOUL MECHANIC because of its repeated and open ethical breaches by the doctor towards his patient.

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Did you ever watch the Netflix short romance, Lovestruck in the City? I don't think this was meant to be typical, but a character goes to seek help for his excessive drinking at a mental health clinic. A friend from university who works in the clinic as a psychiatrist (!!) sees him at reception and assumes he's there to see him. He takes him out to get drunk together! It was absolutely hilarious to me. I don't know if we can consider it an indictment of such clinics or of psychiatric professionalism. He didn't even consider that his friend, who said he didn't know the psychiatrist worked there, might have come as a patient!

The drinking and smoking in k-dramas is always a little hard for me to take, but especially when it involves doctors. It might be realistic--sure, whatever, I have no idea--but it was weird for me even in Hospital Playlist where there was some acknowledgment of restricting drinking to times when the doctors couldn't be called on to do their jobs. (There were so many other things wrong with the practice of medicine in Dr. Cha that the whole medical staff from a team having a drinking party felt like a tiny drop in the bucket.)

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Despite the inaccurate portrayals of certain aspects of mental health treatment in Dr. Slump, I give the show loads of credit for destigmatizing mental illness and modeling how friends and family members can support a loved one who is suffering from depression, anxiety, or some other disorder. I was really touched by the way the FL's mother wasn't angry or ashamed about her daughter being depressed, but instead gave her unconditional support—going so far as to research foods that are helpful in combatting depression. Great job, Mom!

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I get turned off when doctors go against ethics and privacy. For example, as soon as I saw the synopsis of Bad Memory Eraser on Viki, it was gross to me. I can't remember if it's illegal but it's certainly unethical for a psychologist/psychiatrist to get romantically involved with their patients BECAUSE it's implicitly manipulative and a power imbalance.
I couldn't see any way that could be sexy or cute and based on the reception of that drama, it seems I was right.

In Perfect Marriage Revenge, a doctor (I don't remember the specialty) just offered up medical information to the female lead and I was like what the flim flam? There wasn't even a pause.
It was acknowledged in universe but it also wasn't treated with as much gravity as such a violation might deserve (because the doctor was a friend).

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Hum... I think it depends if it's really the main theme of the drama or if the job is just a part if the character.

For example, I remember that Ms. Hammurabi was written by an old judge (or someone in judicial system) but I was really surprised when the FL, a judge, gave flyers about a trial in progress. It was hard to take seriously this drama after that.

But in general, there are so many details that don't work, that I no longer pay attention to them. As long as the rest of the drama is good.

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I agree. I might get angry if the illegal/unethical act directly harms our leads but not otherwise. For me it is similar to a character spouting nonsense about how yeast affects dough! 😄 It's just a drama.

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Omo ... the drama about "how yeast affects dough"!! 👍🏻👌🏻🤣🤣🤣

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😁😁

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👨‍🍳🍞🤴

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Not yeast/dough, but in It's Beautiful Now, one of the female characters who was studying to be a baker whipped up a batch of cookies from a recipe that was written by someone who obviously flunked Baking 101. It wasn't important to the plot, so I found it funny rather than annoying.

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😁😁

For something illogical but the opposite of this post's theme, in Wok of Love there is a scene where the fl, a chaebol who hasn't touched a pan in her life, bakes a few fortune cookies, with no recipe, in someone else's kitchen, in literally minutes. That scene was way more unbelievable to me than the talking horse! 😂 It takes me out of the story on every rewatch. I keep trying to come up with an alternate scenario!

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In Baking King, it was important! The 3 mentees had to tell what was the most important ingredient to make bread. Then, they had to bake bread without it!

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It's actually quite possible to make bread without yeast. For example, Irish soda bread.

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I think it's easier to give a pass to professional portrayals that I know nothing about. For example, I know nothing about accountants or auditors so I don't know what leeway is being given for dramatic purposes.
Unless what's happening in it seems glaringly wrong, even to someone like me who knows NOTHING about it, it's easier (sometimes) to go with the flow.
One time there was an American show called Leverage and the creatives behind it said sometimes they mixed reality with fiction *because* the reality was stranger than fiction. Like how easy it was to get into certain rooms and meeting certain people. They were also playing up and expanding on real history or lore.

This reminds of shows like Taxi Driver which is based on real cases and yet is considered fantasy (by the actors) because of vigilante aspect. I know nothing about tech or running a foundation or a taxi business, so it's easier to believe how they can do everything they do.

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I think it's easier to give a pass to professional portrayals that I know nothing about.

This is exactly what I was going to write.

Actually the deaf female lead in Twinkling Watermelon reaching for the phone every time something happened took me out of the story a lot more than unethical professionals that I know nothing about! 😄

Of course again as you said, sometimes even we know what is happening is wrong. Those times I only smirk unless it is something that unfairly harms our leads. That makes me doubly angry.

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The most fantasical aspect of Taxi Driver for me is how the ML just kept fighting having those serious injuries on his body, and how he could use that medical staple gun to staple his stab wound on the shoulder, then went on saving the world 😅

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Stapling wounds happens alot in action projections. That and super gluing.
And sometimes I wonder if that's really a thing a spy or soldier would do haha

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I think I can let go of alot in an action project haha
Do Ki single handedly beating an entire prison of people? Even though they bloodied him up and he should be concussed? And *then* he has to have a final boss battle? Sure, it could totally happen cause of that Special Forces training haha

And I don't know why Taxi Driver isn't used as promotional material for guys to enlist for that specific branch during their service. "You too can be this badass" haha

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We have a friend who both has a job working with huge metal sheets, and loves camping. Yes, he swears by super glue.

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Forgot to add, I haven't seen super glue used in any drama so I don't know how they depict it, or how soon they move after, but our friend says you have to forcefully close and hold the wound over the glue until it is completely set.

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Indeed, sometimes knowing too much can be a bad thing. Case in point: Prison Playbook. As a lifelong baseball fan, I know that IRL, a pitcher undergoing arm surgery usually misses an entire season, if not longer. Rehab is very slow and gradual, as the player carefully builds back arm strength, pitch speed, and accuracy.

In PPB, the pitcher trying to make a comeback after surgery throws a couple of pitches wide of the mark, and the people looking on shake their heads as if to say his career is over. Then he decides to learn to throw with his other arm (never happens), and again concludes he's a failure after throwing a half-dozen pitches. The rest of the show was so good I managed to finish it, albeit with a sore scalp from constantly tearing my hair.

I also had problems with Hot Stove League, but the inaccuracies weren't quite as egregious.

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I usually just laugh at poor workplace portrayals. I watched a c-drama that treated trade conventions as some sort of invitation-only elite-only bastion of deals and networking. That was a huge laugh. (As was the thought that you could put together a booth on 12 hours and no budget)
And of course, using a drip as a panacea for all illnesses. That is pretty ridiculous.
But the dramas themselves are so fantastical anyway that I usually just let it go.
As other people have mentioned, Doctor/patient relationships are icky. But I find Boss/employee relationships significantly More icky, and they happen even more often in dramaland. I yell at the tv a bit, but usually keep watching.
Dramas have So Many unrealistic elements. If I am going to dump a drama for just one element, it has to be something that I would be real-life angry about. I guess something life threatening? If a drama doctor said that vaccines were bad, or a policeman advocated driving at high speeds while drunk, I might be disgusted enough to drop the drama.

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I also hate corruption stories in dramas. I really hate it so much. Like dramas where doctors prioritize non critical rich patients over critical non rich patients. It just makes me hate everyone involved and I can't get over it. I don't know how real to life that is which also disgusts and distracts me so those types of shows are things I can't get into.

Similarly the corruption in The Fiery Priest. I don't even know how darkly funny that show is because I dropped it because I hated the corruption so much. The only reason I know some of the characters get better is because it was covered in a recap.

That's also why I can't watch Black Out despite how good it apparently is.

It's a delicate balance for me on what I can tolerate haha.

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This is actually so interesting, because corruption stories are a cornerstone of kdramas & films. I personally find it cathartic, but I've also learned to tell when something is actually interested in exploring corruption (eg Stranger, Into the Ring) vs when it's just using it for sensationalism (eg Queen of Tears). Corruption stories are everywhere, so I'm curious, what dramas do you usually check out? 🙂

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Hmm, when you ask for an example, I don't know haha.

I've watched over 100 dramas and as you said that theme runs through alot of them but I think for me, the threshold is how much it is all reflective of reality and lowers my already low faith in humanity. As I mentioned, it's a balance haha

For example, (from what I remember of The Fiery Priest), the police wouldn't throughly investigate cases because they were in the pocket of whoever and the prosecutor would let violent criminals go because it was beneficial to her wallet. If I'm wrong, you can correct me. I don't remember the details, I just know I couldn't stand it. That feels VERY realistic to me so I can't find enjoyment in that. Especially when that kind of disregard has no consequences.

There are other shows when it's part of the backstory but not a main focus. I can handle that (even though I still hate the characters) such as Signal. There was a drama about a doctor whose superiors made him priortize a rich patient over a poorer patient and that was a deep shame for him and made him jaded I think. I don't remember what that drama was but again, hate the situation, not the entire show.

Black out would be one of those shows I can not stand because at every level there is corruption and scapegoating and victimizing and I am disgusted to know those exact types of people and situations exist. I can't just separate the reality from the fiction because of good performances in that scenario.

I also don't like sageuks for similar reasons. Most of the ones that I like or watch don't take place in the palace and/or have some fantastical, out of place elements (100 days My Prince, Knight Flower, The King's Affection, etc). Most of the time, if I watch stuff involving palace politics, I'm angered by the corrupt officials and I'm also baffled how anything ever gets done because people are always either trying to use or kill the royals.
Again, the politics feel extremely current and relevant so I don't enjoy it.

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Oh I see, it's like the realism puts you off it. Yeah, I get how you feel. I recently started Anna, with Bae Suzy, and the inciting incident is when the heroine is groomed by her teacher, essentially derailing her life. I found the situation a little too real, and I haven't been able to get past the first episode cos I get too angry 🫠 It hit a very raw nerve. One thing I like about Stranger is that our heroes catch the villains & reveal corruption in the system...but that doesn't change anything. The system still exists, the powerful men are only hurt, but not removed - but because the heroes have accomplished something, I felt a sense of satisfaction and "justice". But if you watch closely, nothing's changed at all. But I guess that sense of "justice" has to be there for these stories to keep having popular appeal.
I like sageuks, but I can't watch more than 2 a year. They piss me off too much 😭 like you said, all the scheming, backstabbing, all these big egos in one palace competing for power, it's too much haha

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I've never heard or Stranger or Into The Ring.

Yeah, a sense of justice is a nice way to put it haha.

Again My Life dealt with corruption and I watched most of that (and maybe the final episode?) and that followed the theme of there will always be people to fill the "bad guy" vacuum yet it's supposed to be optimistic because there will still be the ML (and his team) trying to fight those battles.

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@britney Stranger and Into the Ring are my personal faves, so I'm very biased 😅 I'd recommend them - they're about political institutions and can be very frustrating, but the heroes have so much integrity that it give you hope, if that makes sense.

I've never heard of Again My Life, but the premise sounds really fun.

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this is a very good point. a good screenwriter can take me through the deepest darkest material if they tell the story in a cathartic, thoughtful way and not a sensationalistic cheap thrills way. Examples of dramas I can handle thanks to the writing and acting: Black Out (corruption & SA), Dark Hole (zombies), High School Gangster (bullying). Examples where I felt the drama was sensationalistic and glorified violence: The Glory (bullying), All of Us Are Dead (zombies), Blind (SA).

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I feel the same way about the Glory! It was just so monotonous- like after a while, I got so bored watching the MC suffer and the rich villains be such one-note losers. I really can't respect that style of storytelling at all

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It definitely felt like the villains got way too much screentime.

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I can watch corruption in dramas IF the baddies get their comeuppance in the end. Not saying I like it though but watching them go down helps me keep watching and its better if they learn something along the way to make themselves better.

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I know corruption is very difficult to avoid in Dramaland, but I'm with you, I'm fed up with it.
Corruption and long business reunions around a huge table 😅

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Advice from someone who feels the same way about corruption in media: NEVER EVER WATCH VAGABOND!!!! It made me lose faith in humanity for a month or so.

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I know very little about all things computer-related, so I would love to be enlightened by some expert beanies about how realistic it is for a hacker to hack all those CCTV cameras in Kdramas.

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I watched Start-up with a Computer Engineer and he told me that drama was very accurate at least in that subject.

Many dramas are quite unrealistic.

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In that case it wasn't about CCTV cameras, but all the other "computer and programming" related things things they were doing 😅
I remember while watching a sequence he told me: "the screenwriter is well informed about how that process works".

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CCTV cameras, and similar smart home/ internet-of-things appliances are notoriously unreliable. They have poor security, and no security updates. The computer security experts I know won't have them in their homes/only have them if they are run thru a Linux box on a separate network.

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Coincidentally I'm reading The Art of Invisibility by Kevin Mitnick on security and surveillance, and the bottom line is anything networked or communicating wirelessly is vulnerable (Commander Adama was right!). There should be more plots involving snooping via baby monitors.

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yikes... good to know though. thanks for the info!

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I would imagine that scriptwriters would generally be more knowledgable about computer tech than about more specialized fields—or at least have easy access to people who are tech savvy.

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I can put up with a lot of workplace inaccuracy because I know it’s’ just entertainment. However, the one thing that drives me crazy is when I see characters spend more time not working than working, whether they are chit-chatting, napping, gossiping, etc. In my real life experience they would be reprimanded and eventually lose their jobs. I often wish I could have a drama land job for this reason.

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Oh yes, this bugs me too. The characters don’t spend much time on their job but somehow the job is alway briliantly done.

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I don't know anything about being an architect but when I watch Love Next Door, I'm like 🤔 is this what being an architect is like? Haha
Especially a "good/exceptional/award winning" one?

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The side characters who spend all their time loudly gossiping, bullying their coworkers, and online shopping drive me nuts, too. They're a dramaland staple (Cinderella at 2 AM, Destined With You, and A Good Day to Be a Dog had some particularly annoying recent examples) and they're a lazy way to introduce usually un-funny comedy. And in real life, as you say, they'd be disciplined and then fired - and probably shunned by their coworkers before that. I've seen that happen. I always cheer when a drama supervisor shows up and says "get back to work!" 😂

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A variation on that which I always find hard to believe are corporate chat boards, where gossip is apparently instantly flashed to all the office workers (often dramatically illustrated by texts flashing by in a shot of workers sitting at their computers. Is that really a thing at businesses in Korea? Maybe--I don't know corporate culture in Korea. But in the U.S. you are looking at lawsuit city!

At our university we had a "community" page, where faculty could post announcements, but they were really boring ones of upcoming department symposiums, or notifications of toner shortages for the copying machines.

In fact, from time to time I actually wished we had some juicy gossip on those pages, such as how the dead wood professor in World Languages was able to afford a Porsche (hat tip to @hopefulromantic, below) or if in fact the Dean was giving the school of music a new hire because he wanted to take piano lessons. Now there's a scandal for you!

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Come to think of it, how often do we see chaebols actually doing any work?

Which leads me to another example of Kdrama workplace idiocy: a younger chaebol sibling with absolutely no experience can take on the running of a bazillion-won mega-business.

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Hello everyone,
Personnally, I'm bothered by all the male CEO - poor/young female employee romances. Kdramas put a lot of efforts to romanticise and normalise something that in reality too many women suffer as sexual harassment, sexual coercion and worse.
Nothing is said or shown about the power imbalance between the 2 and how unethical it is for a CEO to be romantically interested in one of his female employee.

In an ideal world, yes they could love each other, once she does not work for him any longer and her living does not depend on keeping a job at his company. Otherwise, it is abuse of power.

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This is why I didn't really like WHAT'S WRONG WITH SECRETARY KIM? even though later in the drama the childhood connection trope comes into play.

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On the flip side, some Kdramas has super accurate portrayals.
My Ajusshi manages to portray the world of engineering in an excruciating accurate manner. The way they measure crack propagation, the use of finite element analysis on the building structure. Boring but accurate details that added to the slice of life realism.
It was refreshing change of pace from hollywoods laughably bad portrayal of scientists and engineers.

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I really enjoyed that part about My Ajusshi, and that was a great part about the character, he was a real engineer's engineer. I found the workplace politics realistic too, not all the spy and blackmailing stuff, but how there's always pressure from risk-ignorant dummies in management for engineers to make promises or assessments that make everyone happy.

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THIS. I loved this aspect of My Ajusshi. I was amazed the screenwriters took the time to get this level of accuracy. And because I love structural engineering I wasn't at all bored :)
By the same token I couldn't stand the nonsense of the FL's comments in Just Between Lovers. I stopped watching the first time soley because of that. I picked it up later, but even giving that part a pass I didn't enjoy the drama.

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I also did enjoy the work aspect of the drama. Another Miss Oh was written by the same writer and I thoroughly enjoyed film sound engineering as well.

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I loved the sound engineering aspect too. I don't remember much about the drama but that I remember well.

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The male lead and his job were the only parts of that show that I enjoyed too.

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The same but leaving out the ML. I think I only liked his job 😅
Oh, and a song: What is love, by Seo Hyun Jin and Yu Seung Woo.

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I suspect they hired a technical consultant to make sure they got all the engineering elements right. I wish more dramas lavished this amount of attention on the details. Getting the small details right can make a big difference.

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I would also put Misaeng in this category. Brilliantly-observed business drama.

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Yes it really was spot on. I wondered if it was PPL for recruiting and promoting the importance of that kind of business.

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I guess this fits the subject. What drives me nuttiest is legal dramas where judicial officers (judges, prosecutors) are personally connected to the case/defendant and nobody seems to know/care. I guess the word "recuse" isn't in the K-drama lexicon. I've gotten so used to it that even a scene like Song Joong-ki's interrogation by his prosecutor girlfriend in Reborn Rich doesn't faze me anymore. Much.

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I think that was a thing in Juvenile Justice. It was discovered the judge had personal connections to the case and they didn't disclose it which lead to them getting some kinds of consequences.

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This one's mine too. Like in Your Honor, how is Son Hyun-joo allowed to try the defendant who had raped his wife? Both the detective and prosecutor knew, yet nobody considered it would be a conflict of interest?

That's why I love Ko Jun in Black Out who is a stickler for rules and had the sense to take one of his detectives off the case because the suspect was the detective's father.

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I'm always careful about slamming courtroom scenes since I'm not all that familiar with the Korean justice system. Sometimes I think they got something wrong, then I look it up and discover it was correct. For example, I was surprised to see the prosecution appeal a case that was decided in favor of the defendant. (In the U.S., it rarely happens, under the principle that a person can't be tried more than once for the same crime.) I also hadn't known that the prosecution was actively involved in investigations. I still have a lot to learn before I can say with any certainly when a courtroom scene is unrealistic.

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Bars:
I have seen few dramas have these lovely bars with beautiful decor or having a nice vintage vibe. But it’s usually just the main characters who frequent the bar and get chatty with the bartender. You almost never see other customers or the bar get crowded. This feels so unreal given how all the bars I go to get super crowded at some point and you can barely hear the other person talking.

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This kind of bar is actually not uncommon in Asia. A few of the bars I've been to in Tokyo and Hong Kong have only a handful of patrons on the weekends and almost none during the week. The only difference with dramas is that these bars are quite small.

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Gasp!! Do you mind sharing some names in Tokyo. I will be visiting Japan in two weeks and would love to visit some quaint vintage looking bars. You can post on your wall and tag me if it’s easier. 🙏🏽

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You want a music/listening bar. The ones that cater toward visitors will be listed in places like Timeout or ask your hotel concierge. If it isn't there, your entire party will have to speak Japanese and look Japanese. TBH I wouldn't recommend. The popular ones have better drinks and food. You just need a reservation or wait in line. They are almost as quiet. Just don't go to an English Pub or rock bar.

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The reason for no one in bars or restaurants is filming during off hours or renting out the place to shoot the scene. Any background actors would have to be paid,

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I get that its about the money for the extras but having an empty bar every time they film a scene there when it is clearly meant to be peak hours just makes you wonder how the business makes any money. In Race they made a point of commenting on how empty it was and they were all shocked when it was packed one evening after it had been featured on social media.

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and acting natural in front of the camera, even as a background actor, is something that not everyone can do. if they just recruit some students, they might ruin a take with amateurish acting.

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I knew a film grad student who aspired to be a director, he was brilliant and witty and hilarious in person. But one time he played a role in a classmate's student project and he was pretty underwhelming as an actor I have to be honest :) the qualities he had in person were lost on camera. On camera, he was nervous and self-conscious. Completely unlike his real life self. So acting, even background acting, is a gift. Or requires serious training. Some people can do it, some can't. Not all directors can be actors and vice versa. To be natural and charismatic really is a gift that even sometimes training cannot provide. That spark and light and steadiness you have on screen is something God-given.

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I guess it's just easier and cheaper to film bar scenes without all that extra noise and background actors. As a viewer, I am super sensitive to bad acting and sometimes the fake laughing by other patrons in restaurant scenes can distract me lol. But yeah, I think it's just too much hassle involved. Although it does make the scenes seem less realistic, doesn't it? Sometimes we need some background noises too to make it seem more lively.

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also, while we're on this subject, one of my pet peeves is establishments that seem to cater only to the characters in the dramas. it's like they have no other patrons and can fully survive on the business of the leads (re: Midnight Romance in Hagwon) these unrealistic scenes make it seem like running a restaurant or bar is easy. unless the owner has a trust fund and can afford to run the bar as a hobby, I think most business owners are usually stressed out and exhausted from the day to day operations.

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Kdrama restaurants in general—except for the small mom-and-pop ones—rarely seem to have many customers. It's a wonder they stay in business.

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lol!

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I find it hilarious that professors are portrayed as minor celebrities, with their students hanging on their every word. Many of these characters - mostly in Arts and Humanities disciplines - also have fancy sports cars somehow. Granted, many of these profs are Gumihos or something of the like, so that takes a bit of the wind out of the sails of "unrealistic" 😂

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I get annoyed when dramas portray musicians who play from sheet music as unfeeling robots. Such characters are unfavorably compared to pure geniuses who "play what they feel, not what's on the page." The FL of "Naeil's Cantabile" would not be admitted to a prestigious conservatory in real life.

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I didn't watch the Korean version of Nodame Cantabile, but it was really clear she wasn't seen as a great pianist at the beginning. She had to work hard and train to become a better pianist and being able to join a competition.

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I am not familiar with the Japanese original, but such storyline makes a lot of sense.
The Korean version's FL was rather infantile. She just wanted to do play whatever she liked, but the drama was trying hard to convince me that she was a genius.

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In the Japanese version, she was a genius as a kid but had a really bad experience and decided to play piano like she wanted as a hobby. Then, she met Chiaki and fell in love with him. He's a genius too and will leave Japan to have his career (when he will be healed from his fear of flying). So she decided to work hard but the teacher must find a way to motivate her because his usual way didn't work with her. But her free spirit always is in competition with hard technics :p

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Wait. Is the Korean live version any good? I watched the anime. It was spectacular. But, the Japanese live was not my taste. I still listen to this soundtrack. It is so beautiful.

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Generally, the arts are ... well ... in dramas. Especially when someone is supposed to be a genius.
Sorry, I will talk about western experiences here:
ONe thing I have seen in Hollywood movies a lot is that the grown-ups are stiffs, and very haughty when a young, different person comes to ... rehearsal or whatever.
But when that young person then ... more or less adds a clap track to the classical music, those grown-ups find themselves tapping their feet or in other ways awkwardly giving in to the spontaneous young genious.
If you have seen Flash Dance - as I recall, she gets into a prestigious ballet school by doing a (very skilled!) modern erotic dance like the ones from the club in front of that panel of people who do not seem to like anything written after Beethoven died.
I can't list them, but I have seen something in that style so many time. And I like popular music (or some of it) but the way it is shown in these movies degrades any kind of music. As if adding a clap track would make classic music better 🤢 As if popular music was just like classical music, only ... "fresher". 😡 They are different and mostly, if you mix them, both classical and popular music become banale, vulgar, ... lose their special value. Unless you go all in and spend more energy composing a fusion than you would otherwise in one or the other main style (each including thousands of styles and genres) and is a good composer/musician/singer.

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My issue with the portrayal of classical music is that they make it seem like you can be born with natural genius and immediately shoot to the top. In reality, the performers at the very top of the classical music pyramid began studying at a very early age—as young as three or four—and practice as between three and eight hours a day, even after they've become famous. They are almost never self-taught.

As much as I adored Secret Love Affair, it made me crazy that the ML went from being a self-taught pianist in his 20s who didn't know anything about music history or theory—or even how to read music—to a serious competitor in a major international competition after studying for maybe a year. And he and his piano teacher spent more time making out than making music.

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I am always annoyed when the ability to read music is shown as an obstacle to true artistry. I have encountered this attitude in real life too.

I agree with you about Secret Love Affair. Regardless of the self-taught genius trope, I was very impressed by the acting, directing, and editing in this drama. To this day, this drama remains the most convincing portrayal of pianists by non-pianists.

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The ability to read music isn’t a requirement in a lot of genres. Jimi Hendrix, Elvis Presley, and Paul McCartney certainly did just fine without it. But you can’t make a career in classical music without being fluent in reading music. A few opera singers (most notably Luciano Pavarotti) have gotten by, but learning a role by listening to recordings of other singers is not ideal, as you can pick up their mistakes, idiosyncrasies, and personal interpretations.

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It's like being an actor without being able to read.

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@ceciliedk - Perfect analogy! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

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There are "levels" for me.
Some portrayals are just straight up ridiculous even if I don't know anything about the topic. So that makes the show feel more like some dumb fantasy drama.
Others are more on the frustrating side. And then there are the ones that are straight up gross.

The therapist turned lover trope will always make me go "eww".
The high school teacher turned lover is next in line. Just, ew.
I see that and my brain immediately goes "someone please call the cops".

Then, the typical "detectives" who jump to conclusions over nothing are more frustrating than gross or magical.
Oh, and I know the FL from What Comes After Love isn't really an interpreter, but she was killing me. The whole time I was like "please, stop omitting parts and paraphrasing so much".

And sometimes, the show just makes its own set of magical knowledge. There's like a while world building around it, because there's no way that you would understand what's going on otherwise.
Everything is extremely convenient for the plot. Like Dear Haeri or Tell Me What You Saw.

However, in some occasions dramas can make a satisfactory portrayal of competent workers and even teach us something new.

Maybe it's because dramas like You Are My Spring, Run On, Flowers in Sand or Flower Boy Next Door make the careers of the main characters a big part of the story, but they seemed very thoughtful on how they portrayed their jobs.

I appreciate translators, ssireum wrestlers, and editors more now. And YAMS was probably the first (and last) time a psychiatrist in kdramaland didn't make me cringe or feel sick.

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I haven't seen Run On (I've seen some clips) but I know it features a translator character and one of things I liked about the casting is they actually casted an actor who can speak english. That adds some realism to the role and portrayal (in my opinion)

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They were also super realistic about her bad sleeping habits and work-in-sleepwear praxis.
Less realistic that she looked up the word approach in Urban Dictionary 😂🤣

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I'm no professional translator but I really enjoyed Mijoo in Run On. I found myself relating to her character so much. It helped me with my translations as well.

Also, the Flowers in Sand shout out!! yay! I don't see people talking about this one. ;A;

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In Run On, they mixed translator and interpreter that are 2 different jobs.

I loved Kim Dong-Wook as a psy in YAMS! Not sure to marry your patient to make her feel better, it's the best thing 😅

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I think what irks me about dramas is when the drama takes a certain profession up as its main source of content but does a grossly horrible job at making it accurate. Like, if you’re making a medical drama and promoting it as such, you better be accurate in all of the medical procedures (at least, the admin stuff if the surgical stuff can’t be done accurately) and not throw in some stupid HIPAA-equivalent violations. If a drama is surrounding the topic of mental health, don’t romanticize nor downplay it— so on and so forth

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Speaking of medical dramas, I have some (rhetorical) questions:

Do people really wander around in their hospital pajamas, even outdoors? Shouldn't they at least wear a bathrobe?

By what magic can patients who have been in a coma for a year or longer suddenly wake up, rip out their IV, and leave the hospital?

But then why is it that patients who have broken an arm or a leg have to remain in the hospital for weeks? In the U.S., a patient will be sent home as soon as the broken limb is put in a cast. More serious fractures may require a hospital stay of a few days.

Why is it that even the biggest hospitals have only a single specialist surgeon on call? If they're tied up in surgery, are residents really allowed to conduct surgical procedures that they have seen but never performed?

Is it common for doctors performing difficult surgeries to panic and yell at each other if something goes wrong?

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Korean workplace dramas actually just leave me with a lot of questions.

Do people really gossip that much instead of minding their own business?
Does Korea have any labor laws about work hours or bosses?
How do they eat out for almost every meal? Are meals cheaper in Korea? Also how do they afford all those coffees, especially for their coworkers?
How does someone get hit by a truck in broad daylight in a crosswalk?

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I agree about the questions. I actually spent a bit of time looking up truck-of-doom stuff, and apparently Korea Does have a Real Problem with hit-and-run accidents. They don't spend enough resources finding perpetrators, so people don't stop, and get away with it.
Korea does have labour laws, but I suspect that the unemployment rates mean that it's hard to complain about how someone treats you.
I think going our for lunch is common, or going to the company cafeteria- The business resources I have seen say not to schedule meetings that overlap with lunch or dinner, because everyone will want to leave the office.
I assume the minimum wage is fairly low. This means meals are cheap, and also is why it is so hard to get a good flat/buy a house unless your family has money.

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I followed a Seoul foodie page online and they said that mom and pop restaurants are disappearing by the hundreds/thousands each year due to the cost of real estate/rent. They lose their shop due to developers. So the affordable and authentic Korean food spots are dwindling and the food spots that can afford to survive are chains, have lower quality/quantity of food, or switch to selling beverages instead of meals. for example, there's a reason why in Taiwan and around the world boba shops are opening all over the place. it's because the profit margin is high (you're basically serving water and sugar) so you can make a profit even with high rent. The downside is that there are less food options, especially healthy and affordable food options in places like Taiwan now. Rent is too high to run a traditional mom and pop eatery serving decent homestyle foods that take hours of labor and cooking.

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It depends on the neighborhood. When I was in Seoul last year, I stayed in Jung-gu and there were several streets with family restaurants from the 1970s in operation. I was more surprised by the closures of lots of global chains (McD, BK, Dominoes) that did not survive the pandemic (but lived on on Google maps).

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that sounds like the kind of neighborhood I want to stay in when I go to Seoul!

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When police violence is depicted as just and good, and civil rights infringement is depicted as the only sensible thing to do, ... I don't like that.
I have seen in several drama how the demands that you have something reasonable to go by before you bug a citizen, enter their home, or arrest them and hold them back, are shown as unreasonably preventing the police from doing good work.
Also, I see that specific crimes are chosen that no one can not condemn, like (I have just watched ... or skimmed ... first episode of Officer Black Belt, and the rapists there went for schoolgirls, and lots of them.
Of course, these things exist, but it just seems like more an excuse to praise police violence than to treat the subject in any serious way. "But it is for entertainment" ... Yes - first there's the kidnapping and almost-rapes, and then there's the police violence - all in one package.
As an important bonus, the innocent victims are all *extremely* innocent, and that means the most common kind of rapist - the type who rapes someone they know, or someone who initially liked them and maybe flirted with them or even considered maybe going further - that guy can pat his own shoulder and say: "But those girls asked for it. I am one of the good guy. The bad guys are like that one on my TV right now".
And after that, police violence.
In Nam-soon last year we saw the ML "hero" police officer stamping on the already broken leg of a man he had just arrested, and who was lying on the ground. The script didn't seem to think that made the ML a bad man in any way. He even promised to teach his future children how to avoid abuse of (super)power.
I don't know if the writers were extremely sarcastic or what ... they didn't show a clear shift of mood or the kinds of things we are used to receive as pointers that something is seriously wrong.
I don't know if all of this is unrealistic - the violence, and the rapes - but I know that focusing on them in these scenarios are what they call copaganda on Does The Dog Die.
Taking domestic abuse seriously like it was in Castaway Diva was sorely needed, especially with the added demonstration of why even the police has to follow rules and shouldn't just be allowed to e.g. share information with each other without a good reason.
Some policemen are nice (I still chose to believe) but the profession of course attracts people who like to have power and an excuse for beating up people. Officer Black Belt showcases some of the problematic depictions of police work.

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Officer Black Belt was a movie and the whole point was the probation officers were paired with martial artists in case of particularly violent offenders. The real villains were unrepentent violent criminals who targeted kids. I don't think many folks would be like "but their rights!" in that particular situation which was the point of making those kinds of criminals the big bads.

There was also the instance when the probation had the martial artist talk down the guy on probation. Giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think Officer Black Belt is supposed to be realistic.

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I agree that it's not supposed to be realistic ... but it sets the mood for e.g. how people feel when someone asks for better civil rights even for criminals. People will think of the worst of the worst and say "Why should they have the right to privacy?"

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The one that comes to mind immediately is Atelier In (Love Next Door)... Where are the interns, where are the moodboards, the renders and plans, the subcontractors going in and out, the material samples, the models, just the general bustle, in a supposedly award-winning architecture studio? The studio has almost no staff, and no clients! No matter how fancy/ stark the principal's office may be, the general workspace is always a beehive of activity.
I don't see anything here to tell me it's a working practice, and though the building is gorgeous, it just looks dead....unlike any architect's office I've worked with or visited!

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It's a thin excuse, but they are supposed to have trouble getting established.
But, yeah ...

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iT took me years to watch the Jisung drama about DID. I have never watched It is ok to not be ok. That's ok, It's Love was problematic.

It was a no brainer to not watch Memory Eraser.

So unethical activities like boundary violations presented as romance really do not sit well with me. Sensationalizing and romanticizing mental health disorders is a disservice to those who suffer with these issues. More realistic although still pretty dramatic presentations like Just between Lovers sit better with me.

I am disappointed with what I have read about Dear Hyeri. It sounds like a totally unrealistic depiction of DID. I might have watched it had it been framed as a fantasy. I might consider framing it as a fantasy for myself and then watching it.

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Today's episode of Dear Hyeri started to give another layer of information so it may be one to watch either when it has finished airing or after the first four episodes have dropped.

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I am having a more difficult time "accepting" blatant errors and outright misinformation of laws, business structure and medical information (diagnosis, prognosis, etc.) It is writer malpractice to not get basic, easily researched principles correct.

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There were number of shows I liked because of the workplace descriptions: My Mister, Another Miss Oh, On the verge of insanity etc.
A big put off for me medical and genetics aspects of dramas which almost never done well. It is really laughable that you wander in any hospital hallways/stairways and find very confidential information of your patient of interest, performing surgeries on your family members etc. You can pose as a guardian of anyone and get the information.
Genetic testing is really a whole another dimension :).

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I am glad you mentioned On the verge of insanity as that one seemed very realistic.

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Not to mention patients left completely unattended while villains sneak into their rooms to smother them with pillows or inject poison into their IV lines.

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Especially on VIP wards where you think they would security to keep the paparazzi, rivals , general low level staff etc out. I am sure in Hospital Playlist only designated staff could work there.

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There are two pet peeves I want to mention in particular:
1. The way detectives seem to have no other responsibilities except dedicating all their time and effort on helping the lead solve their case. How realistic is this? Re: Miss Night and Day, Black Out...etc
2. Dramas and movies highlighting certain careers over others: architect, writer, doctor, lawyer...etc. Especially the architect one lol. What it is with romantic movies and architects? Architects are the least romantic people in the world. They would be terrible partners because they're always critical and exacting (as they have to be in their profession or else people might die) I wish screenwriters didn't romanticize and glorify such a small set of careers. There are a lot of other satisfying and meaningful careers with better hours, quality of life, and salary!

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I don't begrudge dramas that show detectives, teachers, and nurses because they are so important in society and we really could use more good and capable people going into these fields.

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I assumed that writers would choose "dream" jobs that their viewers would like to see or experience.

A 2023 survey of Korean elementary and high school students found their top 3 dream jobs were athlete, teacher and medical profession.

However, another survey of 5 SE Asian countries found the most prestigious jobs were lawmakers, followed by pharmacists and artificial intelligence experts.

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LOLOL you described my uncle to a T!! 😆😆👌👌

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lolz oops!

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I am more forgiving on industries I know little about. But I also draw the line if its illogical and needs a great suspension of disbelief. Example on the most recent drama, The Auditors. Some of what they do is downright criminal so I know the writer was just doing it for entertainment.

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I've thought long and hard about my dealbreakers when it comes to workplace idiocy in Kdramas, but I'm struggling to come up with a hard-and-fast rule. My frustration cuts across different occupations (although I'd say medical drama wins the prize for overall lamest genre). I guess there's just a tipping point where the boneheaded depiction of the workplace undermines the show's credibility so much that I can't keep watching. For example:

Daily Dose of Sunshine - A young, inexperienced nurse who never trained in psychiatric medicine is transferred to work in the psych ward. She's left unsupervised to interact with patients, one of whom she triggers into a psychotic breakdown where people get hurt. She asks her doctor oppa to explain what bipolar means, and he defines it incorrectly. I couldn't make it through the first episode.
The Auditors - I quit after four episodes and so never found whether they actually got around to doing any auditing.
Detectives in Trouble, a.k.a. Crime Squad - The ML constantly does things that should get him fired or put in jail. The other police officers are totally clueless.
Mrs. Cop - Another police station staffed by total incompetents.
Partners for Justice - A prosecutor who is breathtakingly naive and unqualified.

I find I'm willing to overlook a lot when the show is really special. For example, unlike @oldawyer I didn't mind the questionable legal ethics of the FL in Hyena.

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I tend to avoid dramas with professions I know too much about.
Sometimes it works: I loved the portrayal of the author in "Be Melodramatic", where she is sitting at her laptop, typing like crazy and is all like "Yes! It just flows through my fingers! I'm so in the zone!" only to realize seconds later "It's all shit!", because that's real (unfortunately).
Most times it doesn't work and that takes me right out of the story. Sometimes I still wonder what the job discription of the FL in "Start Up" was - everybody else had a pretty defined job, yet she did … what, exactly? All day?
Bad Memory Eraser was so over the top with absolutely everything, there was no research in any of the topics they covered so I couldn't help watch on in horrified amusement to find out what utter bullshit they would come up with next.
"Midnight Romance in Hagwon" over-researched their topic and that bored me to death, because there is only so much dry information I can take.

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The fl in Start-up. Not only her job, but that whole group making process was weird. They chose leaders based on a few questions...? Ok? Then they sent them to recruit engineers/whatever as quickly as possible...? What? How does that work? How is that leader supposed to know anything about their start-up's specialty? And they wanted them to succeed immediately. That whole leader thing was weird and disfunctional.

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I think it was quite right. Nobody chose her, she had no experience and she only had a high school diploma, except the ML because he had feelings for her. Then, she had 2 genius to help her to the job.

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Yes but what about the other leaders? They were chosen only as leaders because of a few questions, based on no specialty or knowledge... Or maybe I got that part completely wrong.

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No, they had to answer some questions and were choosen like this. But people could see the resume of everybody.

The purpose was to reunite people who had some experience and ideas without any network or money.

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And choosing people as a team who had previously worked together as a team and got along well was actually one of her better decisions.

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It's been a while since I watched Start Up so my memory may be a little hazy.
First off, I work in the start up filed. I guess you can call me a expert in that particular field.
I remember parts of Start Up to be fairly accurate, and other parts, not so accurate. The part of choosing a non-technical lead to lead a technical start-up is actually incredibly accurate. The skill set and story telling that it takes to raise $$ from investors is something that is not usually within the capability of the technical leads. I actually thought the FL in Start-Up did a good job portraying what the CEO really does. The part that wasn't accurate was forcing engineers to work. They can quit at any time

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THANK YOU! This was amazing to read and understand!

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I know a lot of Beanies don't like SHOOTING STARS for valid reasons but as someone who has worked in PR for going on 7 years before moving careers, I can tell you that a lot of what the PR team at the celeb agency were faced with and how they handled it is spot on.

In fact, while I was watching the drama I was like: Good lord! Writer-nim must've worked at a PR agency at some point!

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Where to begin...

I notice a lot of inconsistencies and almost every single drama I've seen this far has a gaping hole I want to patch for the sake of accuracy. The scientist in me picks at the experiment details because the conclusion does not address the hypothesis. Realistically, I want to save my sanity. Hence, I let go.

My rational side has its own filter as a defense mechanism:
1. I am not from that country. What the hell do I know about their culture, customs and laws. I should not judge.

I remember the first K-drama I watched. The scene is set in the office where everyone is supposed to be professional. Yet, a subordinate made a mistake, the boss kicked the subordinate with full force on the shin, or hitting hard on the back of the head, in front of colleagues. I swear I had to pick my jaw from the floor. Disbelief, aghast, appalled doesn't even begin to describe how I felt. I then asked myself "Does this really happen in S. Korea?" There's got to be some truth in it otherwise, it wouldn't have made it into the script, right? The argument then of telling my kids to keep their limbs to themselves (absolutely no hitting) is moot if I choose to let this slide. Then I tell myself, "It's a freaking drama. No need to get worked-up." Yes, arguing with thyself is NOT HEALTHY. It's a headache either way. I take a deep breath and let it all go. On to the next...

2. I speak another language and not everything said in one language translates properly in English. Dramas, are subtitled in English and I believe sometimes the essence and true meaning of the statement is LOST IN TRANSLATION.

One of my pet peeves are the parental genetic tests. Does it really say "99.9% match"? Since half your DNA is from mom and the other half from dad how the hell are you a 99.9% match to one parent? The verbiage for the result is inaccurate and lacking. Genetic testing as such are probability tests. So the report is in the context of probability. Either a parent can be excluded or not be excluded as a biological parent of the child. The probability of paternity/maternity is 99.99999%. But I don't think this equates to being a "match". This gets to me every time a show writes in a genetic testing situation. This is NON-NEGOTIABLE unless someone can definitively tell me that the paternity/maternity result does not say "99.9% match" as the subtitle alludes.

3. It's a good story line.

Agreed! Until it falls off the cracks and is left in Never Never Land, never to be spoken of again. It started off so good that I'm hooked...until the 50th and last episode where that one issue was never truly addressed or resolved and you're left scratching your head, kicking yourself, feeling very unproductive due to the amount of time invested on a placebo. Situations like these make me want to jump off a cliff until that little voice in my head starts scolding me, "It's a freaking drama, no need to get all worked-up."

To sum it up, I am...

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Oops, I guess I wrote too much... just to finish the last thought.

To sum it up, I am more forgiving because I am not familiar with how things are in a different country although there are a lot of things I can't stand and will never support, I am hoping that it's written in just for the sake of plot development. Another reason is purpose. I really just watch the dramas to alleviate my mind off work stuff. It's like break-time for my brain. All I do is analyze at work. The dramas help keep my mind off work.

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