Love Next Door: Episodes 1-2
by missvictrix
Our childhood-friends-to-lovers tale is here, and Love Next Door comes banging in its first week with all the romance tropes you ever wanted, a messy and wonderfully relatable heroine, and a leading man that I’ll surely be dreaming about tonight.
EPISODES 1-2
My biggest fear going into Love Next Door was that it would lean too far into being charming and come off as a little forced (*waves at Hometown Cha-Cha-Cha*). Well, the first episode did struggle with that a bit, but happily the drama seems to find its footing by the end of Episode 2, and there’s enough pathos to dilute any feelings of the script being overwritten (well, it still might be, but we’ll see how that goes).
We open our drama not with our hero or our heroine, but with their mothers — in fact a whole crew of farting, bragging, hiking ajummas — and ngl this was not my favorite. But, the mothers play a central role in this drama, and how they relate to each other, and to their children, is part of the meat of the story we’ll dig into later. In the meantime, this introduction shows us how our main two moms are in a brag war over their kids: the daughter who works at a huge company in the U.S. — and no big deal, here are her wedding invites — and the son who’s a successful architect and general beacon of goodness (and hotness, but we’ll get to that later).
When we finally meet our heroine BAE SEOK-RYU (Jung So-min), she’s turned up back in Seoul unannounced. From the way she’s sitting on her suitcase with her chunky-heeled shoes, and the way she nightmares her way back home on the plane, we can tell this wild child has a story to tell, and that coming home is a bit… complicated.
Seok-ryu’s bestie — spunky paramedic JUNG MO-EUM (Kim Ji-eun in her most natural role yet) — comes to pick her up, but what becomes quickly apparent is that no one knows she’s back. And Seok-ryu literally spends the day ducking her family in the neighborhood — whether that’s hiding from her little brother BAE DONG-JIN (Lee Seung-hyub) behind a table, or literally under an empty box to hide from her parents.
That empty box just so happens to be in front of the newly-built office of architect CHOI SEUNG-HYO (Jung Hae-in). Pre-box hiding, Seok-ryu is checking out the new building when she comes face to face with Seung-hyo. The balloons she was holding drop from her grip and fly away as the two have a re-meet-cute. Seriously, it’s like time stops for a beat, and it’s the drama’s first (wonderful, glorious) hint that there’s something between these characters. But just as soon as we get to slurp that wonderful moment up, it disappears. Seok-ryu is at his throat, and as we see them interact — with the help of some childhood flashbacks, too — we see that our wild child has always mishandled him.
The contrast between these two characters is what makes it so much fun. They could never actually clash, like in an opposites-attract story, because they understand each other too much and know each other too well — but still, there’s a fun mess between them that the drama (rightly) leans on heavily.
Seung-hyo, for instance, seems like a steady man who’s deeply passionate about what he does, but also not pompous about his success. When we first meet him, he’s late for an award ceremony because he’s having a meaningful conversation about life and death with a funeral director (yay, Lee Bong-ryun cameo!), talking about a memorial space he’ll be designing. Similarly, at the award ceremony, he runs on and off the stage, not really thinking of himself at all, and barely noticing that the actress Roh Yoon-seo (cameoing as herself, hah!) keeps smiling at him.
If Seung-hyo is composed, secure, and keeps a lid on his struggles (after all, he is the perfect “mom’s friend’s son” of our drama’s Korean title), Seok-ryu is the exact opposite. Girl is basically a haphazard, heart-on-sleeve mess — and you can’t help but love her. This role was practically written for Jung So-min, who’s so great at balancing a wacky character with moments that make you see right inside of her and want to squeeze her. And that’s how I pretty much felt about Seok-ryu as we spend our first episode and a half following her and her emotional mayhem around.
At first, she avoids her family until she can’t put it off anymore. Padding herself up to protect herself from her mother’s incoming rage, Seok-ryu stands in front of her front door and asks Seung-hyo to stay with her — she’s joking but also desperate. Seung-hyo won’t do it until she answers what going on that she’s so afraid to face her mom, and when she finally shouts that she called off her wedding, who has walked up behind them but Mom (Park Ji-young), Dad (Jo Han-chul), and Seung-hyo’s mom (Jang Young-nam). Oh and his dad (Lee Seung-joon). And Seok-ryu’s brother Dong-jin. Basically everyone.
What unfolds is a crazy scene involving all of these characters, but primarily Seok-ryu trying to avoid getting hit by her mother and letting Seung-hyo take as many of the punches as possible. This is the first big ensemble scene of the drama, but there are other scenes that follow (like a later breakfast scene) where there are so many characters talking and moving and throwing jabs that it’s actually impressive to watch. It’s the same with this Seok-ryu and mom meetup, except I genuinely dislike the constant portrayal of K-drama moms as hardasses that will beat you up and care more about how your life sounds to her friends than the actual wellbeing of her children.
Well, the drama rides this trope for quite a while, because imagine Mom’s horror when she hears that in addition to calling off her wedding, Seok-ryu has also quit her job. Lest we forget, Seok-ryu is the amazingly successful daughter with a job in the U.S. at a famous company and a wedding in a month. But not anymore.
Seok-ryu leads everyone to believe that she it because she was bored at work, and called off her marriage because she cheated on her fiancé (cue more mom fury), but Seok-ryu is so flippant that it’s clear (at least to us) that she’s actually broken. Still, the drama makes us follow her and her lies around for the entire first episode and a half until we see in little flashes that the opposite is true. She was laid off from her job and humiliated. And she was the one who caught her fiancé cheating on her (at a trashy American pool party, naturally). In short, Seok-ryu came home for no other reason than that she’s hit rock bottom and has no place else to go.
Eventually, the fighting and silent treatment between Mom and Seok-ryu reaches a climax, and their honest fight finally breaks the tension between them. I loved the drama for doing this, and for breaking the stereotypes a bit by showing us Mom’s insecurity around her friends in a way that’s full of pathos. We might not agree with the pressure she’s put on her daughter, but we see that it’s out of embarrassment and compensation for her own “mediocre” life — and Seok-ryu, when she snaps, points this out to her mom.
Most of the pressure Seok-ryu puts herself under — and has been crushed under — is her mom’s expectations. When Mom realizes this, she finally sympathizes with her daughter, and instead of ignoring her and trying to ship her back to the U.S., has Seung-hyo redo her room and makes her special food. I’m sure we have more ground to cover between these women, but I love the start we’ve taken here, and it will be interesting to see how Mom reacts when she learns the truth of why her daughter is home. *Braces self*
Seok-ryu and her relationship with her mom is central, but so is her relationship with Seung-hyo. Because their families are so close, and all their friends are intertwined, and they’re all in the same neighborhood, they run into each other all the time. And the more I watched their dynamic and banter, the more I enjoyed it. It’s not exactly out of Trope Park yet, but our actors bring a sincerity to their performances that adds layers where layers are needed.
At first, Seok-ryu’s roughness towards Seung-hyo is really off putting, but the more we see into her — and their past — the more it’s clear she’s holding onto her role as crazy rough-housing girl because she doesn’t know how else to be around him. The script has a nice way of showing us two opposing points: that these two are comfortable and over-familiar around each other — and that there’s also an underlying tension of shallowly-buried attraction between then that glimmers every now and then. It’s super fun to watch this play out, the actors portray it brilliantly, and I hope the drama rides this wave for all its worth.
Two great scenes exemplify this: the rain scene where Seok-ryu is upset over her fight with her mom and Seung-hyo sits on the jungle gym with her and an umbrella, and the ending scene of Episode 2, where we see the two staring at each other from across their bedroom windows, their geographical closeness taking on all kinds of new meaning.
Because Seok-ryu is a complicated heroine whose perfectionism toward herself keeps her crazy walls up, it’s going to be an interesting journey between these two. While she’s all chaotic neutral (maybe chaotic good?), Seung-hyo is lawful good — he helps a halmeoni with her garbage collection, always turns up when Seok-ryu needs him, and shoulders his responsibility with maturity.
But like Seok-ryu, he’s got layers too, and we see that underneath his calm and sensible exterior (and his antagonized little boy persona), he’s actually deeply fond of Seok-ryu. We see hidden moments or tiny glimmers of this when he smiles over her return to Seoul when he’s alone, or his non-reaction-reaction to her canceled wedding, or the care he took to redecorate her childhood bedroom.
With all the tropes you ever wanted (or didn’t), and the echoes of dramas past (Hometown Cha-Cha-Cha + Welcome to Samdal-ri + Doctor Slump), I think the test for Love Next Door will be if it can do something different, have its own voice, and charm us in a way that’s distinct. At the end of the day, a romance drama is going to be as good as the compellingness between the OTP, and if the first week is any indication, we are in good shape here, because the drama really seems to enjoy the complexity of their interactions as much as I do.
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Tags: Jang Young-nam, Jeon Suk-ho, Jo Han-chul, Jung Hae-in, Jung So-min, Kim Ji-eun, Lee Seung-hyeop, Lee Seung-joon, Love Next Door, Park Ji-young, Yoon Ji-on
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1 misshoggy
August 19, 2024 at 11:33 PM
The drama may have started a little tropey, but I just loved it- the heart, the underlying flutters, and the complex nature of each relationship portrayed.
Seok-ryu’s Asian mum stereotype may seem overwritten, but boy, did it hit my heart in so many ways . That’s probably because it reflected my own relationship with my mum in some ways. Whatever it was, I was teary during that argument scene in Ep. 2.
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2 Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 19, 2024 at 11:37 PM
@missvictrix thank you for the recap.
I enjoyed the first two episodes and think this will be a keeper. I hope that it has an interesting main theme as Dr Slump had mental illness and Welcome to Samdalri had the island location and haenyeo and The good bad mother had the revenge long game.
I was struck by the focus on the oldest child being the exception in the family with both Dr Slump and Love next door and how the younger brothers in both were not expected and encouraged to shine in their own lane whatever the field.
I initially thought the dad fainting was a detraction strategy to save the daughter and wonder why, he who clearly knows his daughter best, did not call his wife to her senses sooner as ‘beat now, talk later’ parenting is never going to be an effective strategy to find out what led to such a dramatic change in the daughter’s circumstances.
I also cannot understand why any parent would call the person their daughter has ended a relationship with to get their view on the situation, it is NEVER going to be a helpful conversation.
The male lead’s parents relationship, oh gosh poor him growing up in that household.
On the whole I am interested in seeing what happens with the main couple, journalist and paramedic friendship group. I also really liked the discussion about the memorial building and wonder if we will see that by the end of the drama.
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tabong
August 20, 2024 at 1:26 AM
I feel so bad for the dad.
If my wife screams in the middle of the street that even tho I'm pathetic she didn't cheat on me, I'm calling Jang Na Ra ASAP! (why would she say that to their daughter... plus the entire neighborhood?!).
But later we see that he also thinks he isn't good enough for his family. I never expected him to blame himself for what happened to Seok Ryu. That was so sad.
Also, in the past I used to think that the parent that didn't do anything while they watched their kids be treated badly were as bad as the violent parent, but tbh those type of people and that kind of situations are really hard to control. What everyone tries to do is their best to not make the angry person explode even more.
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chibi8535
August 20, 2024 at 1:27 AM
I wonder if the ML's parent's relationship and him being kind of overly-sentimental about the memorial building is going to end up with the reveal of a dead (older or younger) sibling.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 20, 2024 at 4:20 AM
Interesting theory! I like it as it may explain why they left France and why ML was so timid when he was younger. I also wondered about why the dad was wanting to know why the mum was not travelling for work as maybe they use the absences to avoid thinking about the trauma and having to face each other?
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too_much_tv
August 20, 2024 at 5:43 AM
Oooh, that's good! Their relationship being terrible and the dad being absent are plot points I already noted.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
August 21, 2024 at 5:03 PM
I didn't think he was over-sentimental - just something like meticulous and careful.
But I too wonder what meaning that will have later - because it seemed like we were being brought in to witness that effort for a reason. Will there be dead mothers? I hope not, though I really did not those mothers were very kind to their off-spring.
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welh
August 22, 2024 at 7:24 AM
My gut reaction to ML's parent's short but chilly conversation is that Dad is having an affair, Mom knows about it but her pride and potential humiliation from her social circle keeps up the facade of married couple.
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
October 13, 2024 at 7:59 PM
I wondered the same. Or she is, or one of them did in the past and has not been forgiven.
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Mr Everything
August 20, 2024 at 5:47 PM
Marriage can be a little different in Korean culture. You are marrying the family not the individual in many cases. So, in that way, it makes sense that the mother is calling the ex-fiance. The father is also worried that the engagement broke up because their family isn't good enough. It is a cultural thing.
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hallyucinations
August 24, 2024 at 11:46 PM
This would be true in India also actually. In fact, in India it would be very unsurprising to even call the fiance's parents (the prospective in-laws).
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hallyucinations
August 21, 2024 at 7:29 PM
The family dynamic of the female lead fairly common in families where the parents struggled while raising their children or were not successful enough and placed the burden of making them feel successful on one or more children. Such children undergo parentification right from their childhood, do really well initially through consistent hardwork but undergo a breakdown later when things go out of their control (because thats what happens in life).
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9TailedVixen (formerly 9TailedFox)
August 23, 2024 at 12:37 AM
"I was struck by the focus on the oldest child being the exception in the family with both Dr Slump and Love next door and how the younger brothers in both were not expected and encouraged to shine in their own lane whatever the field."
I've only just started watching this and this aspect of the drama (like Dr Slump) will be a challenge for me because this is how it is for me - I'm the eldest daughter like both FLs and the expectations were and continue to be sky-high while my younger brother is allowed to be lazy and mediocre and have everything handed on a plate to him.
Stupid son preference...
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 23, 2024 at 12:47 AM
This kind of approach does a disservice for the son and their future family as they miss out on the skills training they need to reach their full potential.
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9TailedVixen (formerly 9TailedFox)
August 23, 2024 at 12:49 AM
Do NOT even get me started on the number of mediocre and useless men here because their families hand everything to them, don't have standards for their behaviour, and bail them out of everything.
Some even literally get away with murder because the family will cover it up for them.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 23, 2024 at 12:51 AM
😮 and then they wonder why women would rather stay single and sane.
Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 23, 2024 at 12:49 AM
Such a stress for you. In my family the expectation was for all of us to do well and my middle brother tried harder as he was always compared to me his studious older sister. He was way more disciplined and subsequently got the better grades.
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9TailedVixen (formerly 9TailedFox)
August 23, 2024 at 8:58 PM
Fair play to your family who expected the SAME of all the kids.
And fair play to your brother who worked hard for his achievements.
This is how it should be.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 23, 2024 at 8:31 AM
I've seen this dynamic replicated in my own extended family too
(to the point where I sincerely believe that the third greatest piece of good fortune I've had since birth is the fact that I don't have any brothers)
what's interesting is that in both Dr Slump and LND - and in my experience, irl too - the driving force behind the different burdens of expectations on daughter vs son is the mother, and specifically a mother who's either widowed/single or, if married, is the dominant personality between the parents.
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OldLawyer
August 23, 2024 at 4:59 PM
Yours is the much fairer point: The truth is that the idea of always handing things to the son on a silver plate does not dominate in Kdramas as a general rule. Sometimes the opposite is inflicted upon a son, particularly an oldest son. As an example, take the 2ML is the previous Weekender LIVE YOUR OWN LIFE. Of all the characters in that drama he is the one who never gets to have his own life but must simply soldier on in a life that he never wanted because from birth expectations were imposed upon him that he would essentially carry the weight of the family fortunes on his shoulder. If anything was truly wrong with that drama it was the writer's stubborn refusal to even recognize that there was a problem with this.
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9TailedVixen (formerly 9TailedFox)
August 23, 2024 at 9:00 PM
"(to the point where I sincerely believe that the third greatest piece of good fortune I've had since birth is the fact that I don't have any brothers)"
That really is good fortune when/if you're a daughter/granddaughter in a culture where son preference is very pronounced.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 24, 2024 at 4:08 AM
I actually am!
What a lot of people outside such cultures don't realise is that a family loving their daughters or being proud of them doesn't preclude the son preference - it can manifest as not literal sex-based foeticide, but a difference in treatment and expectations with the bar always being higher for the girls. As it clearly is for Seok-ryu and Dong-jin, which in its own way is unfair to both siblings in that scenario (though undoubtedly far more frustrating to be the elder sister there)
9TailedVixen (formerly 9TailedFox)
August 24, 2024 at 4:54 AM
Sexist double standards suck big time.
Daughters have to work 3 times as hard and achieve 3 times more in order to earn a smidgen of almost-praise.
Sons get praised for the tiniest thing which, if a daughter did, would either be ignored or she'd be told to "do better".
And parents keep saying: "We treat all of you the same."
I wish I was joking.
3 sonai
August 19, 2024 at 11:46 PM
I liked the first two episodes, even though I’m still a bit wary. The main couple is definitely selling it to me, no questions about it! Like their chaotic dynamic & banter, and their (already obvious) deep understanding for each other. It’s unclear to me whether the three friends stayed in contact while she was working in the US, but it kinda looks like it. That’s a plus! (Compared to Samdalri, where FL arrived home with lots of unreasonable expectations to her estranged group of friends - not here!)
Now, the dysfunctional relationship between both leads and their moms: oh my. Hard to look at. I’m wondering why FL even came home to her family - and didn’t just stay with her bestie to get the loving support she needs. 🫣 She fully expected it to be a rocky start with her mum, and their reunion was absolutely ugly. I don’t understand how mum’s behavior was somehow accepted by anyone there, and even worse: the show tried to make it seem a bit comedic, while the whole scene was just deeply hurtful. “Making it up” in the end with giving her a room (and food! I can’t even) doesn’t really cut it yet. They have lots of work to do. As does ML and his family… I’m sure we’ll get more into that dynamic later, as this was only hinted at so far.
I’m also not a big fan of the (mostly oversized) styling. 😵💫 Even though FL’s Steve-Jobs-like outfit in the first scene where she was introduced was kinda hilarious! 🤓
Looking forward to the next episodes though, and do hope the families will be able to work it all out (preferably without the help of more leek…). Less screaming, more swooning please! The ingredients are all there!🤞🤓
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Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
August 20, 2024 at 1:36 AM
Oh that oversized styling, from jackets to clunky boots, is my biggest gripe with new shows!
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tabong
August 20, 2024 at 1:41 AM
I'm curious about that too.
I feel like the friends were mostly updated by their mothers. They got the wedding invitations indirectly and didn't seem to know much about her fiance/marriage. Maybe they kept in touch once in a while...
"“Making it up” in the end with giving her a room (and food! I can’t even) doesn’t really cut it yet"
Yep. It's a bit sad that her apology translates to "not letting her daughter sleep on the street or starve to death". Yikes.
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Koalatown
August 21, 2024 at 6:54 AM
Seems like the two girls probably stayed in touch more but I sense more of a frenemy state for the ML and FL. Perhaps some kind of awkward misunderstanding in the past about “liking” each other in HS resulted in this bickering animosity at their initial meet. Clearly both do have (not very hidden) stronger affections which they seem hell bent on denying. Me think they do protest too much.
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tabong
August 21, 2024 at 10:22 AM
You're probably right.
At first sight they seem like the type of friends that would have a chaotic group chat, but now that I think about it again, everytime Mo Eum mentioned Seong Ho, Seok Ryu's answer was like "why would I call him?" "don't call him".
That's sus.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
August 21, 2024 at 5:08 PM
The cheerful jazz accompanying the violence was just 🎵🤡🤕🤔
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9TailedVixen (formerly 9TailedFox)
August 23, 2024 at 12:43 AM
"I don’t understand how mum’s behavior was somehow accepted by anyone there, and even worse: the show tried to make it seem a bit comedic, while the whole scene was just deeply hurtful."
This is very common in many ambitious and dysfunctional East Asian families. Failure is not accepted or tolerated by our parents (especially Tiger Moms like FL's mom).
It gets real ugly if you don't live up to expectations.
And parents using physical violence on their children is still a thing here.
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4 kay4625
August 19, 2024 at 11:51 PM
I liked these first two episodes, though I can't say I love it yet. It's all perfectly fine and enjoyable, mostly getting by because the leads have a great dynamic, and while there's nothing wrong with that, I'm not sure if that's enough to carry 16 episodes, and I'm even less sure if that's enough for me to stick around (case in point: I still have not finished Doctor Slump).
Still, the leads are great, and so are the secondary leads (and I'm already invested in the potential romance there, which is a huge plus). I can't say I'm that fond of anybody else yet, but hopefully that'll change (and this'll probably be a key factor that determines whether this keeps my interest or not, and this is exactly how Welcome to Samdal-ri managed to sway me, and I'm so glad it did).
You've got potential, Love Next Door, so please don't squander it.
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5 Kurama
August 19, 2024 at 11:53 PM
Yeah, @missvictrix is recapping this drama \o/
I really liked these 2 episodes!
Seok-Ryu : her mother has an issue with violence, clearly it's her first way to react. But I don't think it was portray only as a comedy, but showing it's a problem. She started drum and it's a good thing to change. And Seok-Ryu is the same, she knew how her mother will react and she tends to hit people too. So it will be interesting to see if both characters will change or not.
Seung-Hyo : He's a little bit mysterious for now. I wonder if he lost someone in his family because he has an deep interest in death with his office remindind a tomb and his next project. The fact he talks formaly with his parents but not with SR's parents shows he's more confortable with this family than his. His father seems not very involved in their family neither.
I loved every of their interactions! They were so funny. We could see they're very honest and confortable with each other even if they didn't see each other for years. Jung-Jung's chemistry is very good.
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tabong
August 20, 2024 at 1:46 AM
So far we know that his mom goes away often and that Seok Ryu's mom took care of him when his mom was away. So I feel like that may be the reason why he feels more familiar with that family, and also the reason why his mom seems jealous of that relationship.
But the dad did seem to have little interested in him and his mom.
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Miky
August 21, 2024 at 1:15 PM
I think her Mom caring for Seung-Hyo since young also shaped Seok Ryu as well and I;m curious to see how they will tackle their relationship considering that she deeply consideres him on a better place than her in her Mom's heart to say so...She even said it even if it was played lightly,that her Mom would prefer to have him as her eldest child rather than her and that might also be a reason why she was always going for the top in everything,to make her mom "see" her...So i think this state in highschool years more than sure put some dent in their relationship yet don't know if he is truly aware of her insecurities and how she feels...
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6 jerrykuvira
August 19, 2024 at 11:59 PM
I'll add this to my watched list before weekend. I've gotten the confirmation and clarity I needed.
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7 geminirat
August 20, 2024 at 12:04 AM
Thank you for the weecap, @missvictrix! I love it! These first 2 episodes didn't bore me and established the story in a really funny way. I love how the hiking moms came to Seok-ryu's mom's rescue when their old classmate made comments about her daughter. This is the kind of friendship that lasts thru years!
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8 Skiee
August 20, 2024 at 12:31 AM
I really liked the first episode. Everything is tropey but still liked it. The second episode felt like watching DoctorSlump all over again. Too much similar for me. So I'll watch next few episodes and hopefully it will be different, If continues to be same I may drop it otherwise will continue. Last but not least this is the first time I'm seeing Jung Hae in and I loved him. Maybe I'll watch it just for him😝😂
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Lalla32
August 21, 2024 at 6:53 AM
"Maybe I'll watch it just for him😝😂"
Seems a perfect reason to me.
I would suggest A Piece of your mind with him. It's a must <3
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Skiee
August 21, 2024 at 7:13 AM
Hahaha...yeah okay I'll definitely try it 🫶
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9 chibi8535
August 20, 2024 at 1:22 AM
So far, the drama is bringing in all the right fuzzy feelings for me. 'Eomma chingu adeul' is a phrase used in S. Korea for the perfect kid/ son in the neighborhood, the multi-talented, top-of-the-class high-achiever; basically a darling of all neighborhood Aunties. (We have a version of it in our country too!!) As someone working in the profession for more than half a decade, Architecture is surely not the first career path I had in mind for the supposed blue-eyed boy of the neighborhood. I love me some representation, and so far, they have got some of it *very* right... for ex. chasing clients for payments is a never-ending saga, that transcends geographical borders and even crosses-over to the land of fiction & rom-coms! Just like relatives and neighbors constantly asking you to remodel their space for free. xD
Fun-fact: I loved how correct they got 90% of JHI's professional struggles and dilemmas as a first-gen founder & principal (as opposed to say JCW's character arc as a 2nd gen architect in Lovestruck in the city.... the nuances, and the little details! :D ) but lemme tell you, he's entirely TOO free/jobless for a Principal of a Studio. And for an office space that big and well-designed, it's way too understaffed.
I must confess though, more than the lead pairing, I was excited for the collab between the 4 very well-known actors who play their parents! ^^ However, I wish the dynamic between the FL-her Mom and the ML wasn't *this* similar to Samdalri.... Why even to step into the realm of remote comparisons when Kim Mi Kyung is SO pitch perfect in these Tsundere Asian-Mom roles, an you cannot possibly top the non-romantic chemistry that actors bring from a previous collab (Healer & Ahjumma pairing is immortal!)
The show however got me in ep 2 with the cathartic meltdown. An Asian Mom who projects their unfulfilled dreams onto their daughter and the kid basically drowns under all that pressure till she cannot take it any more. Ooof, it cannot get any more real than that!! We are so much more than our grades & awards, our flashy jobs and trophy marriages as adults. I wish parents would realize what it costs their children in order for them to flaunt these shiny badges of honor. :'(
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Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
August 20, 2024 at 1:57 AM
Not an architect, but an interior designer... Design FTW! And god, it felt good to know that even top architects have renegade clients. I was a bit concerned that they seem to be quite lax with their contracts... Though I understand, after many years, that payment schedules are always a work in progress... Every client has me adding a new clause into my next legal agreements 😂
I'm very jealous of his gorgeous office though... A far cry from my messy, hole in the wall. I've yet to see a studio so devoid of samples and blueprints- it struck me as a bit odd. Hopefully, he'll get new clients soon (and me too LOL)
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chibi8535
August 20, 2024 at 8:41 AM
Heyyyyy fellow designer chingu! ^^
Setting up prayer-circles for more clients towards you and our Male-Lead here. It takes SO much guts to breakaway and have a practice of your own, so yes, hats off to the brave ones out there!!!
The office certainly needs to be not-so-pristine. The absence of client/ working models, the lack of rolls and rolls of drawings! Speaking of, LSITC with Ji Changwook had a more believable office...? Then there was this Vintage drama called Winter Sonata where the FL's office was a constant mess from a bunch of blueprints everywhere! Heheh!
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
August 21, 2024 at 5:16 PM
I hope at least your office space isn't built to resemble a mausoleum.❤️
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chibi8535
August 22, 2024 at 1:05 AM
Not even close enough to be in that league yet! That's the eventual goal though.... Principal of a studio that looks like a mausoleum, but finance-books are cooked af. [And then you perpetuate a toxic cycle of underpaid interns and junior architects to sustain the vanity].... Just Kidding! :P
SH, please don't do that, you're better! <3
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10 Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
August 20, 2024 at 1:44 AM
This show had my heart by the end of ep 2, when I was really scared in ep 1 that I'd have to drop it.
Like I wrote in my very long Premiere Watch comment, the mom's violence was repulsive to me, and they wrote it as comedy. It wasn't fun when it happened to me (not to this extent, but in typical S. Asian mother fashion) so I have a visceral reaction to the many depictions of abuse, physical, verbal, and emotional, shown so casually in Kdramas. I'm glad that she fought back finally, and that mom seems to be coming around. The FL seems to be carrying on the cycle with all the ML- hitting, and I hope she stops too.
I love the emotional beats that underlie the conversations though, esp when ML cuts to the chase and forces her to confront the truth, with herself and her family. His subtle reactions are everything, and there I can see my beloved Jung Hae In, the actor, in action.
The TvN website (which was linked to on another site) has detailed descriptions of all the characters, and it's really helpful to get their stories, so I understood them better.
Loved the realtor friend who told off FL's mum, and her dad with his little aside that showed his own insecurity about failure.
It does give off Dr Slump/Samdalri vibes, with both main characters, going through professional troubles, but I hope it does it better- less/ no drinking, and no aegyo, please! Looking forward to these families resolving their issues, and sweetness abounding!
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Lalla32
August 21, 2024 at 7:03 AM
Both Dr Slump and Samdalri were a disappointment for me. I watched one ep of Samdarli and left because of all the screaming and drinking. And even if I watched all Dr Slump I felt like it didn't have a script good enough to talk about mental health properly. With Love next door I was a bit worried during ep 1 but felt very reassured after ep 2. To me the writing has the solid quality of a good drama and the main couple seems just perfect, with the characters having real depth. Looking forward to know more about them <3
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11 Scottie
August 20, 2024 at 1:49 AM
This is another child born by the makers of Hometown Cha Cha, so I was forewarned. I will stay for the cast for now, but ep 1 had all the red flags that I dislike. Ep 2 got better and I really hope the two leads will pull the drama off.
There are too many mothers/parents in kdrama who cannot control their frustrations, never listen, but pummel their children, even if whatever misfortune happened affects the child much more than the parent. The list is long: Another Miss Oh, Our Blues etc. Only after they overcome their tantrums do they start to think and act as parents. I hope this is only drama, not reality.
The banter between the leads is good, but FL really needs to control her physical aggressiveness before she can enter a healthy relationship.
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Lalla32
August 21, 2024 at 7:05 AM
Oh God, what a delusion was Hometown Cha Cha for me. But I feel this one has a better script. So I'm quite hopeful after episode 2.
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bong-soo
August 21, 2024 at 5:58 PM
The “physical aggressiveness’ (really physical abuse) of Seok-ryu against Seung-ho was a total turn-off for me.
(That reminded me of the constant slaps that Baek-doo (Jang Dong-yoon) had to put up with from Oh Doo-sik (Lee Ju-myoung) in LIKE FLOWERS IN SAND. In both dramas we are talking about characters that are age 30+.
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bong-soo
August 21, 2024 at 6:03 PM
I lasted only four episodes into SAMDAL-RI before pulling the ripcord. At least we haven’t had the scene (yet) where the FL gets plastered and ML has to piggyback her home (oh, that was SUMMER STRIKE).
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12 Beanies206
August 20, 2024 at 1:55 AM
Its been a while since I eagerly waited for a drama. Was very excited with the MLs and the bestfriend to lovers trope.
First episode was boring and slow to pull us in. The way it glossed over the issues our FL had. It was triggering that everyone dismissed Seok-ryu's achievements (More than 10 years working overseas + full scholarship!) and reduced it to her being jobless and broken engagement.
However, the drama redeems itself on episode 2. We can see that it is going for the maximum impact. Hopefully, FL-mother conflict will be explore more in the next few episode.
Complaints aside, love Jung So Min & Jung Hae In! And Jung Seok Ho!
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tabong
August 20, 2024 at 2:27 AM
"It was triggering that everyone dismissed Seok-ryu's achievements (More than 10 years working overseas + full scholarship!) and reduced it to her being jobless and broken engagement."
Also, the facts that (a) NO ONE asked her if she was okay and they seemed more worried about getting the gossip, and (b) people treated her like she was extremely lazy after she only spent ONE day resting, were very concerning.
Someone give her a hug, please.
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Beanies206
August 20, 2024 at 10:29 PM
YES exactly. She literally just back for 1 day. And I want to give her a MASSIVE hug.
Anyway, I am giving this show a the benefit of the doubt where the PDs/Writers want to amp this up for the payoff at the end of episode 2. And/or they want to get to the meat of the storytelling which hopefully things will pick up from episode 3 onwards.
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9TailedVixen (formerly 9TailedFox)
August 24, 2024 at 12:55 AM
"It was triggering that everyone dismissed Seok-ryu's achievements (More than 10 years working overseas + full scholarship!) and reduced it to her being jobless and broken engagement."
Also, the facts that (a) NO ONE asked her if she was okay and they seemed more worried about getting the gossip, and (b) people treated her like she was extremely lazy after she only spent ONE day resting, were very concerning.
I am sad to say that Write-nim captured what happens in real life EXACTLY.
Many ambitious East Asian families are really *this* unforgiving of their children whom they expect to be overachievers and constantly overachieve right until the end of their lives for the "face" and glory of the family.
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tabong
August 24, 2024 at 1:38 PM
Dang. I hope the next generations are freed from that type of pressure and get more hugs instead.
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13 hallyucinations
August 20, 2024 at 1:58 AM
I see from the comments that the show resembles Doctor Slump quite closely but since I have not watched Doctor Slump, I was not displeased with the first two episodes at all. Quite the contrary actually! I really enjoyed it. The first half of 2024 has been quite boring Kdrama wise. I was really looking for something light but not completely vacuous and I have found it in this show. The fact that the leads are super goodlooking only makes everything better. Though I am still getting used to Jung Hae-in with a mullet but looks like mullets are here to stay so I better come around soon.
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tabong
August 20, 2024 at 2:30 AM
"Though I am still getting used to Jung Hae-in with a mullet but looks like mullets are here to stay so I better come around soon."
LOL same.
But I also feel like the mullet is the only reason why he looks more grown up, so I'm a little conflicted about it.
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hallyucinations
August 20, 2024 at 8:19 AM
lol, now that you mention it, even I feel it does make him look more mature. I am going to have to get on this mullet wagon very very reluctantly.
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9TailedVixen (formerly 9TailedFox)
August 24, 2024 at 12:56 AM
I didn't even realise it's a mullet. I just thought it's a normal haircut for someone working in a corporate setting LOL!
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hallyucinations
August 24, 2024 at 11:44 PM
Its a corporate mullet. :P There is sleek corporate mullet, sexy demon mullet (Song Kang in My demon) and rave party mullet (Andre Agassi in his tennis career peak). This is my list so far.
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14 redoy21
August 20, 2024 at 2:01 AM
Jung so min's character Seok ryu is the heart of the show, everybody lights up and everthing becomes chaotic when she is around 😅. As @missvictrix put it Jung So Min is perfect for this role. She can beautifully play wacky characters with heart. I was not completly sold on the chemistry between Jung so min and Jung hae in but I am glad to be proven wrong. Jung Hae in 's character is a perfect opposite balance to Seok Ryu. We see him be very composed and cool but we see his inner child when he is with her and he is probably most comfortable with her only albeit the frenemy vibes. Although I didnt dig the first few minutes of the first episodes with the mother bragging about their child , and thought i will not like the mothers. But the series goes into the depth of the dynamic between seok ryu and her mother especially in 2nd episode where we see that she is trying to make up for life through her daughter and she is called out for it , she realizes that and tries to make amends. And we can see that Seung hyo has a complicated family as well. So there are layers yet to be peeled off. I shouldnt judge something by just watching only 2 episodes but I am in for the ride. Its been a really long time I saw a kdrama and already regretting that why i didnt wait till the drama was finished so that i can marathon it.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 20, 2024 at 4:29 AM
👋🏾Welcome back to the comments and hope that you can continue to enjoy the live watch.
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15 empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 2:16 AM
Quick sense of what I like so far:
✔ the moms - very excited to see such heft and gravitas from these 2 veteran actresses (ML's mom - Jang Young-nam - just gives me the deja-vu chills like she's channeling her role from , while I half-wish to see a reprisal of Park Ji-Young doing her mum gig in where she fights Mi-Sook for the affections and custody of their daughter)
✔ The childhood flashbacks & "uri aegi": the child actress playing a young Seok-ryu -- her cute quotient is OFF the charts. Second only to the immensely talented (and cute) Park So-Yi. I predict a great future for her.
Love the flashbacks - very revealing indirect commentary on the underlying relational dynamics between the two friends / cuts through all the "noise" of their current older selves & personas. When in doubt, refer to their childhood template, it's all there.
✔ I get why all the comparisons to Samdal-ri / Dr Slump, but I hope this show will hold its own and shine. And the last scene? Our boy is so whipped. It's obvious he has always been holding a (very secret) torch for his alpha-girl-boss-frenemy-neighbour-surrogate-babysitter. I can't wait to see how this will play out 🤣🤣
✔ and welcome back Jung Soo-min. I missed you ❤❤
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empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 2:19 AM
erratum:
(ML's mom - Jang Young-nam - just gives me the deja-vu chills like she's channeling her role from "Crash Course in Romance", while I half-wish to see a reprisal of Park Ji-Young doing her mum gig in "Jealousy Incarnate" where she fights Mi-Sook for the affections and custody of their daughter)
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darwi
August 20, 2024 at 10:26 AM
I also though very strongly of Crash course in romance as I saw her mothering.
This drama calls a lot of other as references :)
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tabong
August 20, 2024 at 2:39 AM
"The childhood flashbacks & "uri aegi": the child actress playing a young Seok-ryu -- her cute quotient is OFF the charts."
YES. The flashbacks are definitely a highlight! Just like you, I can also see Park So Yi's bright future. She is killing it with cuteness and talent.
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16 panshel
August 20, 2024 at 2:30 AM
I love it. I love them. Their chemistry is through the roof. Seok-ryu is amazing. Jung So-min makes the best crazy facial expressions. I thought it was a great reason that she came back because she needed a reboot (albeit a bit like Doctor Slump), so I was sad to learn her fiancé cheated on her and she was fired from her job (à la Welcome to Samdal-ri). Did Seung-hyo not believe Seok-ryu since she asked him in the second episode, "Aren't you going to ask?" He knows her so well that he knew she was lying? Just like the rain scene where he knew she wanted to cry.
I suspected that he liked her when he half-heartedly congratulated her on her wedding, but Episode 2 leaves no doubt that he has definitely liked her all along. During Seok-ryu's storytime about raising Seung-hyo, I thought, "No WONDER he's liked her since he was little"... until we hilariously saw his side of the story. It's so fricking cute how she called him, "uri aegi." Shout-out to Seung-hyo's coworker Na-yoon for giving up her crush so quickly knowing she stands no chance. He definitely moved back home to live next door to Seok-ryu, as well as being closer to work, but I'm afraid that he can't afford his high-rise apartment due to his company not getting paid. Love Seok-ryu for offering to get Seung-hyo's money for him.
Seok-ryu's mom LOVES Seung-hyo -- and he knows it -- so I'm not worried about Imo disapproving of their relationship, but Seung-hyo's mom doesn't seem to like Seok-ryu, but why? Our girl's so smart! Seung-hyo's mom is definitely jealous of his close relationship with Imo, who goes to his house and stocks his fridge. He uses jondae with his parents but speaks in banmal to Seok-ryu's family.
Mo-eum is winsome, and I hope we see childhood flashbacks with all three of our friends together. Yoon Ji-on's character Dan-ho is cute too and has completely made me forget about his despicable character in Serendipity's Embrace.
The titles of the episodes are very creative ("Come Back Home" "Hate -> Love"). This show is everything I wanted and more. Thanks a million for the recap, @missvictrix!
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tabong
August 20, 2024 at 12:04 PM
"Yoon Ji-on's character Dan-ho is cute too and has completely made me forget about his despicable character in Serendipity's Embrace."
IKR? I thought I was going to have a hard time liking him, but nope. He's a ray of sunshine.
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17 empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 2:31 AM
P.S.
Best "read of the room" award goes to: Seung-hyo's female junior at architecture firm
Winning line: "Those two should just book kindergarten English class for their kids now."
I put my money on you 💰
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 20, 2024 at 4:46 AM
I loved that line too🤣 and the way the colleague started chatting about the costs rather than querying what she had said.
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darwi
August 20, 2024 at 6:09 AM
Yes ! I was so happy when she said that because she seemed interested in Seung-hyo and I do not want her to be a superfluous rival (with no chance at all).
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18 princesspreets
August 20, 2024 at 2:32 AM
I really had my doubts for this cos it’s indeed so/too similar to those 3 dramas u listed (Cha-Cha-Cha, Samdalri and Dr Slump), but ALL which fell very flat for me in the end. But there was a certain charm here in eps 1 & 2 which the other 3 largely lacked, so keeping fingers n toes crossed!
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Lalla32
August 21, 2024 at 7:12 AM
Totally agree with you. I feel like there is a different quality here. So I'm very hopeful they will do this kind of story justice this time :P
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ginkoVal
August 21, 2024 at 7:55 PM
Agree with you on those 3 dramas. I didn't connect with any of them. I finished HTCCC but didn't like it, and I couldn't even finish Samdalri and Dr. Slump.
A good healing drama I love is the C-drama Meet Yourself. I clicked with that drama right from the first episode. I feel the same way about Love Next Door during its pilot week, so fingers crossed that Kdrama does this trope justice this time.
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19 cjoyce17
August 20, 2024 at 2:35 AM
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20 ginkoVal
August 20, 2024 at 3:13 AM
@missvictrix, thank you for the recap. I really enjoy your thoughts and writing style.
I already love the drama after the first week and I hope it keeps up the momentum until the end of its run.
WARNING: Long write-up ahead because I've read on several sites that people are complaining about the violence and the mom's reaction.
It's actually super interesting to watch a drama from another culture and perspective. As an Asian woman who grew up in a country where filial duty is a big deal, it's funny how, even though I'm totally independent now and have lived abroad for years, whenever I go back home, I still see people acting just like the moms in these dramas. Even my parents, who are really understanding and would never hit me at this age, would probably still give me a verbal lashing if I were in a similar situation.
So yeah, when people ask why Asian parents are still the same these days, the answer is simple: some things never change. If you grew up in an Asian family but were raised in the US or Europe, or if you went to international schools in that Asian country and mostly hung out with people from similar backgrounds without mingling much with locals, you might not fully get it. You can't just impose your views on this situation. Honestly, every time I see questions on Reddit like, "Why are Asian parents like this?" I can't help but laugh. Those parents are just regular people living their lives in the same country and culture, and even if they travel abroad, it's usually only for a short time. Sure, a lot of people now study and work overseas, but they're not the majority. It'll take time for things to change, but who knows how long that'll take?
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ginkoVal
August 20, 2024 at 3:16 AM
About the violence in Episodes 1 and 2, I don't think it was meant to be funny—it was more about showing how angry the mom was. I don't agree with violence, but I think it's important to understand where it's coming from. This isn't the usual domestic violence where parents or spouses beat up their kids or partners for no reason. It's not like the mom was trying to kill her daughter. When she's frustrated, she vents her anger by beating the drums. What else is she supposed to do to release that frustration?
I was honestly shocked when I saw people criticizing the mom's way of apologizing to Seok-ryu and wondering why she went back home instead of staying with her best friend. Do you really think her family doesn't love her? If they didn't, she wouldn't be the lively, chaotic girl she is around her bestie. If they didn't care, would she have had the courage to go back home? The tagline of Episode 1 is from Seok-ryu "I need to return before my courage expires" . Her family is her support system, which is why she returns, despite the rough start when her mom hit her. Seok-ryu didn't take it too seriously and was only really hurt when she found out her mom was embarrassed and lied about her return. That's what led to their fallout, but once she let out her feelings, her mom understood and found a way to apologize.
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ginkoVal
August 20, 2024 at 3:22 AM
I think it was a beautiful way for her Mom to say sorry. She cooked her daughter's favorite meal, decorated her room, and wore the brooch her daughter gave her. If that's not motherly love, then what is? Asian parents of her generation don't need to say 'I love you' or 'I'm sorry' out loud. You can't expect everything to be expressed in words for it to be understood. This is just a difference in culture and perspective.
After the pilot week, I’m already liking 'Love Next Door' more than 'Hometown Cha-cha-cha.' I love how the mom and daughter sorted out their argument over a family breakfast in the first week.
Oh gosh, I haven't even started talking about the couple's interactions yet, and it's already a long discussion. Don’t get me started—it could turn into another essay. Just know that I love their subtle reactions to each other's presence. I can tell there's so much more to their background stories. Really intriguing!
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Midnight
August 20, 2024 at 5:13 AM
Thank you for so beautifully putting into words what I never managed to.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 20, 2024 at 4:44 AM
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts on the message that was underlying the explicit behaviour we saw in these episodes.
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empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 4:44 AM
Thank you for taking the time and effort to explain that (with so much patience lol)
I concur with you, and I speak as a 3rd-gen overseas Asian girl. Cultural context and perspective is everything.
On that note, I encourage non-Asian viewers to first check in with your Korean/Asian friends (IRL or online) to try and understand the 'why' behind the 'what' of certain behaviours or practices that you may find triggering or perplexing at first.
p.s. and that mother-daughter makeup scene? Resonant in a bone-deep way (Asian bones, that is lol) "Acts of service" as a love language is first invented by Asians I swear lol. And no, Asian parents mostly don't say sorry.
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chibi8535
August 20, 2024 at 7:04 AM
Asian mom 'apology':
-Says sorry ❌
-Cooks you a table full of your favorite dishes ✅
Asian mom 'I love you':
-Says the three words ❌
-Says 'eat a lot' & 'eat more/ eat to your heart's content' (cooked in step-1) ✅
-'take the leftovers back to your college/ home/ boarding etc.' [clearly NOT leftovers!]✅
Asian dad 'how are you?'
-Ask 'are you doing well?' ❌
-Ask gruffly 'do you have enough money?' ✅
-Ask 'have you been eating well?' if slightly more verbose ✅
Asian grandparent 'I love you':
-Says the three words ❌
-Hands you a envelope full of ungodly amount of money for simple snacks. 'buy yourself something good'✅
Asian close relative 'I have missed seeing you all these years':
-Says 'you were THIS little when I last saw you!'✅
Asian kid 'i love you' to their parents:
-Buys fancy stuff for their folks that they treasure deeply, and would not use because it was gifted by their child, and they are afraid of using it up or breaking it. ✅
I mean, we are a very emotionally repressed society. It's changing as the generations go by, but LND's portrayal is quite nostalgic and even relatable to most of us! :P
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ginkoVal
August 20, 2024 at 7:15 AM
OMG, this totally hits home.
I can relate to this scene so much.
Remember when Seok-ryu opened the drawer and saw it was full of unopened cosmetic boxes? Her mom treasures the gifts so much that she wouldn't use them, afraid of running out. I see my mom and me in there. Miss you, Mom.
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empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 7:29 PM
+1
I think this one every Asian daughter can relate to it. That scene is so damn real ❤❤
Midnight
August 20, 2024 at 7:35 AM
♥️♥️♥️♥️
So many of these have been subjects of so many discussions and arguments on DB recap comments. It is sometimes quite startling to realize what is normal and even nostalgic to you is so alien and even disgusting to someone else. So many cultural norms become wierd controversies when people around the world watch one thing together. I never had the words to write this down as beautifully as Beanies here have done 🫰🫰🫰
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ginkoVal
August 20, 2024 at 7:50 AM
And that's why we love hanging out at DB for our cultural exchange. I learn so much from everyone’s comments - it's always such an eye-opener. It’s all about agreeing to disagree and respecting each other’s viewpoints. Thanks a bunch, Beanies!
Blue (@mayhemf)
August 20, 2024 at 8:59 AM
This hits too close to home!! lol.
True story :)
Atleast my mom uses all the cosmetics and skin care products I get her. I remember telling her that they all expire in two years :) glad I did that.
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tabong
August 20, 2024 at 12:23 PM
Thank you for this beanies!
I think many of us needed this detailed POV. Not only for this show but for many others to come and some we've watched before.
You're helping us connect with and understand a little better what we love. 💚
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misshoggy
August 20, 2024 at 5:02 PM
Adding one more to
Asian mum apology:
✅ cut up copious amount of fruits, (expensive fruits) and leave them on a communal table or your study desk.
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empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 7:25 PM
@chibi8535: You got the "Affection Decoding" Asian Playbook edition down pat man!
If context is king, then subtext is King Kong.
It's all about subtext, none more profound and underrated than that ubiquitous phrase and Asian greeting: "Have you eaten?"
This one I learn much later in life after I become a working adult. A college senior & ex-colleague taught me the subtext to that innocuous phrase.
"Have you eaten?"
(a) The person may be hungry but can't afford a meal - you're checking if they are struggling financially
(b) The person may have means but has no appetite -- you're checking if they have emotional struggles / depression
(c) The person may have the appetite, the means and access to food, BUT cannot eat well (common to elderly folks) -- you're checking on their health condition
(d) The person may have the appetite, means and access to food and a great gut, BUT they are socially isolated and eating is no longer a priority nor offers any social incentive -- you're checking to make sure your friend has a dining companion and offer to be one
(e) they have all of the above, but no access to food even if they have the financial means (this is more rare, i.e. wartime, recession, or more recently in the pandemic lockdowns in the early days of supply chain disruption) - then you share your food pantry with them
So to us Asians, "Have you eaten?" is damn loaded. It's not mere lip service but an act of love and subtle diagnostic tool to check on the physical, social, emotional and financial wellbeing of your friend/family.
After that, I appreciated the phrase so much more.
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ginkoVal
August 20, 2024 at 7:39 AM
Glad we see it the same way.
I got a bit thrown off by the confused reactions to Mom's apology that wasn’t spoken but was clearly shown through her actions. Even though I get why Mom hit Seok-ryu (in the cultural context), it’s not something I like, and I can see why some people see it as violent. But dismissing Mom's apology is missing some cultural nuance.
I thought that scene was beautifully done. It shows so much about the dynamic in Seok-ryu’s family. It really shows that her home is a place of comfort, not just for Seok-ryu, but also for Seung-hyo and Mo-eum, the paramedic friend, all of them are really at ease around her family’s dining table.
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ememoonie
August 20, 2024 at 8:52 AM
Oh what a lovely way to put into words the nuances cultural context can mean to different people. Asians really don't use words, food is our love language, and I loved Seok-Ryu's mom breakfast / room redo apology. To me, that's a sorry and I love you right there 😅
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Mr Everything
August 20, 2024 at 6:03 PM
I tend to agree with the general sentiment expressed here, but my take is slightly different in this case. I think there is a lot of context to the violence for this particular family that explains a lot of the dynamics.
I also think that sometimes, people get triggered because of past abuse and injustices that they have experienced and are projecting onto the story. Although I agree, it can come off as a little judgy.
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21 Blue (@mayhemf)
August 20, 2024 at 3:18 AM
Firstly, Let me get this off my chest. I hate his hair. The length is weird, the gel is excessive. lol. And his suits. The brown one needs to be burnt.
Right off the bat, I loved the leads. No warm up required. I love Seok Ryu already. She uses jokes to cover up her inner turmoil and speak about her issues. And Seung-hyo doesn’t need to be told. There is such a comfortable rapport between the two which is such a joy to watch. (Can we go easy on the chokehold please. It’s just scary when it goes on for so long).
Mom was a big trigger for me. The physical violence and her selfishness was hard to watch. I am glad for their confrontation in ep 2. “Why should I be your pride and joy”. Yes!! You go girl.
What’s with all these younger brothers in dramas who get to live their life easy while girls are subject to a level of perfection that’s so suffocating. I really hope this is the end of mom issues. I want to see her be the support system Seok Ryu needs.
I love the girlfriends!! I loved that Mo Eum and reporter have a potential romance. He is so cute with those glasses.
The child actors are adorable. ‘Baby’ was hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.
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empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 3:57 AM
Re: Firstly, Let me get this off my chest. I hate his hair. The length is weird, the gel is excessive. lol.
+1! 🤣
That was the only note my gf wrote me after watching the eps. A very laconic: "I hate his hairstyle." And THEN I watched the eps, and concurred.
It's amazing how distracting and disruptive bad hair can be on audience immersion lol
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chibi8535
August 20, 2024 at 5:05 AM
Jung Haein is someone who's always looked better in short hair, when his contempiraries sported and rocked excessively fluffy do's with floppy bangs! Heck, even a buzzcut looks absolutely sexy on him... i wonder why the stylists chose this? Sigh.
As for the younger son vs older daughter thing... it's also the added expectation from Asian parents as their firstborn. Does not help she is batchmates/ classmates with the neighborhood prodigy that would have constantly brought up comparisons. I mean, the paramedic-friend's Mom practically thinks her daughter is a loser compared to the rest :/ I'm not entirely sure if our FL ended up the way she did because of her parents pressuring her. Some of it may have been self-perpetuated too :')
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Blue (@mayhemf)
August 20, 2024 at 5:50 AM
They did him dirty. It’s like they are going out of the way to reduce his handsomeness.
Yeah, as you say, it’s a combination of factors. She herself could be a perfectionist (which was implied), plus her parents expectations from her and the peer pressure etc could also be a factor. I get it, but it’s kinda hard to watch.
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darwi
August 20, 2024 at 11:11 AM
>Jung Haein is someone who's always looked better in short hair
I fully agree !
I mean I'm not a fan of long hair, and his do not really qualify as long but he is so much cuter and delicious in short hair..
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Blue (@mayhemf)
August 20, 2024 at 12:43 PM
I love a good mane of glory but only few can pull it off.
This is a length that begs for a haircut 😅
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empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 8:54 PM
Second that.
Heck, even a military crewcut would have spiked his appeal quotient over whatever follicle crime that mullet is currently committing. Just D.P. Jung Hae-in again! We will take that over the mullet.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
August 20, 2024 at 5:32 AM
I forgot to talk about this scene which I loved. The shot of them as children where they run while she is dragging him then cuts to them running as adults. At that moment he shifts the handhold, holds her tightly and he runs faster and slightly ahead of her taking the lead. That was a beautiful shot showing us the shift in dynamics. I swooned 🥰
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chibi8535
August 20, 2024 at 6:30 AM
Yesss, omg! I swooned so hard!😍 And I love how it got verbally acknowledged and summarized while the two were sitting on the Jungle-Gym in ep.2.
SH: You're makeup has melted off in the rain.
SR: *scowls* Doesn't matter. Because I don't have to look pretty for you!
SH: *mutters quietly along the lines of* yeah, because you do not see me as a man (only as your 'uri aegi').
Oh man, i love these hints at past issues! Also, just imagine HOW fun is it going to be watch her doll-up and be all shy and cutesy around him in their dating era!
I pray to drama-gods they don't keep us hanging till ep 15 for that. [Looks at you, 'I don't love you yet']
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ginkoVal
August 20, 2024 at 7:53 AM
This scene is so beautiful I swooned so hard. And yes, love the way they shift from her to him taking the lead.
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Lalla32
August 21, 2024 at 7:20 AM
"And his suits. The brown one needs to be burnt."
OMG, what was that!! When he turned his back looked like the one of a grandma wearing 10 outfits one over the other. I have no idea how they kept that scene without noticing it.
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22 Misky
August 20, 2024 at 4:18 AM
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23 Misky
August 20, 2024 at 4:19 AM
Am I the only one who replayed every single expression JHI had when he thought no one was looking in regards to JSMs character? Ugh! The feels they give me
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24 Kafiyah Bello
August 20, 2024 at 4:24 AM
I liked it a lot. Seung Hyo obviously is a little bit in love with her. His awareness of her is very clear. This is good, lol. It is always better when the ML likes the FL first. I appreciate that they are both successful, but not too successful. I like that his architecture firm has everyday issues. I will say I laughed when the "American" called her a something something "egoist." lol, no in the US speaks like that. Anyway, I look forward to the rest of the drama.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
August 20, 2024 at 4:46 AM
😂😂 good thing I don’t understand the English in kdramas. The subtitles stop and I suddenly don’t understand a word they say 🤣🤣
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Unaspirated
August 20, 2024 at 5:06 AM
I definitely had to rewind that part to understand it 😅
You’d think it wouldn’t be that hard to find a random person on the street who could speak English a little more clearly for a quick voiceover! It was hard to take their criticism of a “typical Korean” seriously when they have such a heavy Korean accent themselves 😂
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too_much_tv
August 20, 2024 at 5:52 AM
I will never understand why k-dramas do this weird thing with English. There are so many people in Korea who are native speakers of English! Or are Gong Yoo- style impeccable accent imitators. Why do they hire--French speakers? or whatever that was? to play American voices? (Of course I've also taken note of some bad sageuks where Europeans played Chinese diplomats.) I'm not sure what that's all about.
Also you're right that Americans don't typically use egoist or egotist as insults about a coworker. I couldn't tell whether she'd been fired or decided to quit because people were being horrible to her at work, but they were being horrible in a very K-drama way!
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Kafiyah Bello
August 20, 2024 at 6:15 AM
I couldn't tell either, but I think it was a combination of her boyfriend cheating and feeling lonely, so she quit. However, it really wasn't clear whether she was fired or not.
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chibi8535
August 20, 2024 at 8:28 AM
Those were probably the triggers, the incidents that happened with her fiancé and her office. I see it more as a combination of a burnout and a mid-life crisis. This kid has been out of her parents' house since 17+ on a scholarship in a foreign land, likely not having enough to spare for regular air tickets to fly back. A non-stop survival mode where you're fighting to stick around for 10 more years after graduation to maintain your work eligibility visa status which are handed out in a lottery. She is contractually obligated to work with Greip who is sponsoring her work-visa. This girl needed a break, and I'm GLAD she's taking it. The higher-ups talking sh*t behind her back must have been a rude shocker to her. You would end up questioning yourself.. is THIS what I've been literally giving my blood, soul and sweat for?
Aside from the accent miss, which would have been very glaring for native speakers here, it was a great scene imo. Reminded me very much of Pachinko, with Solomon vs his non-Asian bosses, and the whole angle about cultural differences in work-ethic.
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Kafiyah Bello
August 20, 2024 at 9:41 AM
Oh was it the higher-ups. I thought it was just her co-workers.
too_much_tv
August 20, 2024 at 11:04 AM
It's true, if she had an H1B visa she couldn't legally stay in the US if she wasn't employed by Greip! It's a good point.
fauna
August 23, 2024 at 9:38 PM
Incidentally, I think Greip is supposed to be Grape, as in the famous U.S. company that is not Apple. Ha!
Kathryn51
August 20, 2024 at 11:57 AM
I couldn't tell whether she'd been fired or decided to quit because people were being horrible to her at work, but they were being horrible in a very K-drama way!
My impression was that she was totally burned out, then heard people bad-mouthing/ridiculing her (for working too hard and/or showing off?), desperately wanted to talk to her boyfriend but finds him cheating on her - so . . . (my impression again). . she realized that her entire so-called wonderful life in the US was a total fraud. So, she quit everything - Every. Thing.
As for not telling her family immediately, she was still processing - it takes more than a 12 hour flight from the US to come to terms with the fact that the last few years of your life were meaningless.
I think her fiance (who was also Korean, I believe) will show up eventually - probably after the Ep. 8 quasi-accidental kiss. 🤣🤣🤣
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too_much_tv
August 20, 2024 at 1:04 PM
Your impression sounds right to me. I thought the darkness and weird focus of the flashback were supposed to convey her exhaustion.
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tmeck
August 25, 2024 at 1:13 PM
LOL, more than a little bit.
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25 Britney
August 20, 2024 at 4:32 AM
The competitiveness and the pressure of parents is always hard to watch. It just seems so stupidly toxic that I don't tend to first think of the logistics of internal and relatable feelings of self esteem and self worth issues and tend to respond emotionally such as "ugh, I hate the mom". It was performed really well, it was heart breaking but man, it was hard to watch. I'm glad that was resolved.
I did laugh and rewatch the scene multiple times when the mom was hitting the male lead with the vegatable. And then his mom having a moment of "oh yeah, why are you hitting *my* son and not *your* daughter?!"
Another funny moment was the reporter trying to be helpful and tripping over his own feet.
I was kinda side eyeing the fact that the room makeover idea and execution seemed to happen in two days when it seemed like multiple outfit changes happen plus the call happened before the mom and daughter fight.
I likes the different childhood perspectives.
I wonder how big of a deal it's gonna be that Seung Hyo seems to be closer to Seok Ryu's mom than his own.
I was wondering if the guy from Lovely Runner was always so broad/buff?
I'm liking this so far. Since we all know where this is going, I'm just interested in the how we get there. I hope it continues to make me laugh.
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chibi8535
August 20, 2024 at 4:55 AM
I'm also super invested into how we got here? A pair of childhood buddies who practically grew up right across each other's fence (not even the street), yet never dated and are still NOT dating. I'm sure there's a lot to unpack! I mean, both leads seem to have serious *issues*. The premise is ripe with potential, so I pray to drama-gods they don't squander it xD
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Blue (@mayhemf)
August 20, 2024 at 4:55 AM
Yes the room makeover was super fast!! I was like ‘where did they move all the junk from the room’!! I thought it was just one day.
It would have been interesting had they shown the sons room now looking like a store 😂
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empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 5:43 AM
Re: "It would have been interesting had they shown the sons room now looking like a store"
My thoughts too!! 🤣🤣🤣
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abalyn
August 20, 2024 at 3:59 PM
It's a special kind of tv magic, the house makeover or move and every object is impeccably designed and placed. Often accompanied by there's-no-way-they-could-afford-that on the purported income, also possible here. I've noticed this is a cross-cultural magic, in K, C dramas and Western shows.
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empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 8:21 PM
🤣🤣
Except in this case, I don't think Show is guilty of the "there's-no-way-they-could-afford-that" vibes.
Instead, I think it's revealing that when he shows his sketch to the vendors he said: "This is a somewhat old-fashioned design" and we belatedly realise (in Ep 2 last flashback) that he actually faithfully reproduced her entire room from the last time they met before their separation (when they were 17yo). He was effectively reproducing his very last memories of her.
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Unaspirated
August 20, 2024 at 5:02 AM
Lee Seung-hyub might have bulked up a bit, but in Sh**ting Stars he played a new actor who got an underwear ad sort of by accident, so it’s not totally new territory for him. They were definitely doing everything they could to emphasize it though.
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Kurama
August 20, 2024 at 5:07 AM
I don't think he became broader for this drama.
He works out a lot. I think for the legs, he needs it since his accident and operation. He didn't go to the army because of his leg and he puts a lot of energy into his concerts, running and jumping everywhere and after it hurts him.
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26 Nefret
August 20, 2024 at 4:33 AM
I had barely experienced the hype surrounding LND beforehand (only read about it) and only saw the trailer after the first two episodes, so I went into the first two episodes completely unbiased.
The similarities with DR. SLUMP cannot be denied. I just hope LND will be better, i.e. no adults acting like silly and immature teenagers. Also, please don't get them together too soon, then it gets boring for me quickly.
I liked the first two episodes best when FL and ML had a scene together. I'd say the chemistry is right between the two of them.
On the other hand, I could have done without almost all the interactions with the mother. I know it's a common cliché in KDramas that the parents react extremely over the top when the kids don't take the path intended for them, but I've grown tired of having to watch it.
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27 Unaspirated
August 20, 2024 at 4:57 AM
The only thing those chunky-heeled shoes indicated to me is how much money Doc Martens paid to have them in the first episode that many times 😅
I don’t mean to poke too much fun, I really enjoyed these episodes. Even though they focused a bit more on Seok-ryu and her situation, I like that they gave us indications that Seung-hyo’s life is not as perfect as it looks either. You can tell he cares so much more about the experiences people have in his structures than the success or awards, but also needs those things to make it all work. I love Jeon Seok-ho as the long-suffering business partner and am happy to see him back at it here!
The high parental expectations in a prestige-oriented culture are something that I’ve grown used to in dramas (even if this felt like an extreme example), but the pride Seok-ryu has that makes her avoid telling her family what really happened to her is something I’m still adjusting to. I get that it would have been hard, but as Seung-hyo said - it would be way easier to tell her up front than way later.
I’m excited to see more of our second leads! The reporter seems sweet and earnest (I loved his frank interview with Seung-hyo!) and our paramedic seems competent and cool. I think they’ll be a fun combo and I’m looking forward to next week!
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Relisher
August 20, 2024 at 6:29 AM
"the pride Seok-ryu has that makes her avoid telling her family what really happened to her is something I’m still adjusting to"
I was thinking about that too and I finally interpreted it as her being someone who's tried her hardest to be in control all her life and live up to a other and self inflicted standard of perfection, and those major things were completely out of her control and were done to her: workplace harassment, cheating fiance. And she wanted to have control back over her life, even if it meant other people thinking the worst. So she didn't get cheated on, she decided to leave the relationship on her own. She didn't get mistreated at work, she got bored of it. I hope her mother continues to realize her mistake and stays as a confidant to help her feel better now.
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Unaspirated
August 20, 2024 at 8:49 AM
Love this interpretation! Thanks for shining a more compassionate light on her motivations for me. It helps her be much more relatable - I love control too 😅
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empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 7:50 PM
Yes I think you are spot-on.
It's similar to why so many people suddenly took to cooking with a vengeance (and posting food videos) during the early days of the pandemic. A gf remarked to me that it's a human instinct to scramble for that measure of control during such a tumultuous period where nothing was certain -- even if it were over something as simple as cooking a meal where there is a clear start, middle, end and a dish to show for your efforts (tangible result).
She is desperately wrestling for control over her narrative and how she presents her life script at a time when everything is going down down down South.
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28 pliplipli
August 20, 2024 at 5:21 AM
friends-to-lovers is my favorite romance trope in general but I don't really like when kdramas do it in a childhood friends-to-lovers way because usually they are adults acting as if they are still two little kids bickering. this is annoying to watch and this is happening a lot in these two first episodes. it makes me hard to engage when they eventually fall in love too.
I understand their dynamic with all the bickering, but its a bit whiplash when they are acting the more childish way possible and suddenly the next line is a deep and realistic take on what the other is feeling. and then back to childish bickering again. I dont know. it's just not working for me. not feeling the chemistry either, which is a shame because I love both actors a lot.
probably unpopular opinion but I prefer haein doing melodrama than romcom for now lol
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Blue (@mayhemf)
August 20, 2024 at 5:53 AM
I got the feeling that she resorts to the ‘known’ behavior to eliminate the present awkwardness. I am looking forward to see how the show changes this dynamic.
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tabong
August 20, 2024 at 2:45 PM
"but its a bit whiplash when they are acting the more childish way possible and suddenly the next line is a deep and realistic take on what the other is feeling. and then back to childish bickering again."
Like you said, I think this mostly happened because of the "childhood" factor in their friendship, mixed with the fact that they haven't seen each other in ten years or more.
That kind of childish behavior is something that takes over you when you meet a dear person from your past (childhood/adolescence). Or at least that's my experience. And because of how comfortable they feel with each other is that they're able to switch from serious and sentimental one minute to playful bickering the next. Because that's what you used to do back then (as a kid).
With time they'll adjust to the adult versions of each other, but for now, they still see the person from 10 years ago.
And finally, there's the factor blue mentioned. In a way Seok Ryu is also using this childish behavior to hide her wounds. And Seong Ho is letting her. When she's ready to talk about it, I guess will see a change in the dynamic.
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empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 8:15 PM
Yes I agree.
And it's not just borne out in a body of anecdotal evidence, it's actually documented in social science research that people do tend to lapse back into the same relational dynamics that signpost a certain life stage when they are with those very same friends from said life stage.
So it's not only a realistic and accurate portrayal but I actually think it's a rich minefield of narrative possibilities to see how and where the script will bring us to as our present-day grown-ups toggle between their present and past selves. That is the delicious tension of growth that I want to see in them ❤❤
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pliplipli
August 21, 2024 at 4:57 AM
yeah, I agree that it's a personal experience for sure lol because I also have childhood friends with who I went years without being in close touch and we never behaved like we used to do. the first encounter in person was more adult awkward than going back to how we used to do. but yeah... personal experience influences how we feel about their dynamic. also, they were acting that way as teenagers too and I also can't relate to that.
if that's their thing, fine, maybe this drama romance is just not for me.
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welh
August 22, 2024 at 7:41 AM
Jung So Min has perfected the quirky, strong, rebellious young woman character in roms and/or coms. She is playing a similar role to her 30 DAYS character which starts to put her into a pigeon hole. As others have stated, I hope for something different to happen in this standard trope.
So far, Jung So Min is literally and figuratively pulling Jung Hae-In along. In these situations, he is relying on stronger FL actresses (SYJ in SITR and HJM in OSN) to carry the story line. To get anywhere, he needs to shed his meek personality and man-up.
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29 vienibenmio
August 20, 2024 at 5:46 AM
I only watched ep 1 and it just didn't grab me. Idk. It reminded me sooo much of Welcome to Samdal-ri and Doctor Slump. which both bitterly disappointed me. Which is not the drama's fault, but it's hard to invest 2 hrs/week when I'm just feeling meh about it. I also am tired of the male lead having been in love with the female lead all along in these childhood love romances. I fully admit that I like it when the female lead falls first, and I feel very underserved there lately, lol.
I am glad though that Korea is doing so many shows about burnout and the burden of parental expectations. I found out that the Korean title of this has a double meaning which refers to always constantly being compared to your mother's friend's children. Maybe it's also just really hard for me to relate to this story as a white American woman which, again, is on me and not on the show at all.
We'll see, maybe I'll give ep 2 a shot. I'm still debating if I'll watch Cinderella at 2 AM, which would give me less time to devote to other dramas.
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tabong
August 20, 2024 at 3:09 PM
I feel the same a little on the finding it hard to relate. For example the first scenes with the moms irked me a lot. My mom's friends are my family. If something good happens to one member of the family, we're all happy about it. And if something bad happens to one of them we're all sad about it. And there may be comparisons, but never competition.
I spent the whole time wondering if they were truly friends. It seems like they are, but their dynamic feels foreign.
By the title of the show I was expecting a Reply 88' kind of vibe in the neighborhood. So that aspect was a little disappointing.
But like you said, that's not the show's fault. So I'll just take what I can. 😖
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Mr Everything
August 20, 2024 at 6:20 PM
I really think they are setting it up for a reveal where she fell in love with him first but was too scared to confess tbh. And, then when she got a scholarship to study abroad, she buried her feelings. Isn't that always the case with an overly physical relationship between men and women in kdramas?
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pliplipli
August 21, 2024 at 4:58 AM
I think it's pretty obvious that she likes him lol
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Lalla32
August 21, 2024 at 7:28 AM
I think second ep was a lot better than the first one and set the mood properly. I think this is going to be better than Samdalri and Doc Slump. Maybe try the second ep :)
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30 Relisher
August 20, 2024 at 6:01 AM
I was super excited for this show and the first episode was not quite up to the mark but i loved the second episode so I'm back to staying positive and hopeful for the rest. The lead couple dynamics are absolutely perfect, I love their adult immature quibbling and deep knowledge of each other where the quibbling is also a kind of expression of love, whatever form of it that may be. The little versions of them are absolutely adorable and perfect, and the different pov flashbacks were one of the funniest things I've seen.
Seuk ryo is definitely the biggest shining part for me, So Min is so good with the highs and the lows of her scenes, but Hae In is a good foil for her too. Seung ho has clearly been in love with her for a while, but i love that it doesn't affect their bickering.
The mother daughter resolution in episode w was touching but i thought the start of it was too awful, almost didn't make me want to root for the mom to be someone she should be around, they went too far in the writing. But the resolution was nice, and i hope they tone it down with the type of clashes later. The parent only scenes are the weakest so far, which is unfortunate given how much i love all four supporting actors but i hope that's just beginning episode pains. Hoping for more of the good stuff and less of the bad.
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31 darwi
August 20, 2024 at 6:06 AM
I was cautiously expectative for this drama because of the hype. But when the leads are two of my favorites... I could not resist (and trying to dodge the spoiler was too difficult).
I'm in love with them and the rest of the cast, so it's harder to appraise the story itself but even the gratuitous physical violence did not put me off.
I don't know if there is enought story for 16eps, but it's fun to watch Jung Hae In already smitten with Jung So Min.
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32 too_much_tv
August 20, 2024 at 6:10 AM
A great recap of two rewarding episodes! I honestly liked that they started with the moms. I think everything in this show starts with the moms. They made Jang Young-nam's character seem like a snobby jerk at the start, but I immediately started to like her after that. She looks very pretty with her hair that color!
I want to say that Seok-ryu's relationship with her mom is very warm. Her mom figured out immediately that she didn't cheat on her boyfriend. Also, Seok-ryu's success isn't just to please her mom. It's to give to her mom. The flashback to the broach, which she gave when her part-time job was scrubbing the grills at a barbeque restaurant, and the drawerful of unopened high-end cosmetics, are the clue that she isn't just her mom's puppet.
As usual, food and cooking play a huge role. A Korean mom withholding RICE!?! What the heck was THAT scene! But then the next thing you know, it's abalone porridge. Wasn't that the dish? I might have to rewatch, which I anyway need to do to figure out what happened with the job at Greip. (<==bwa ha ha!) If redoing the room was to show her she had a place, the feeding scene was even more telling.
(I've spent most of my life trying to stop thinking that food is love. I still remember the moment I was watching Maangchi on Youtube and she said out loud, "You should make this for your family so they know you love them," or something like that! I was like, "Oh no, she can see my Id!" It's not just my hardcore love of reading subtitles and learning cool words that make me the fated lover of k-dramas that I am.)
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33 Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
August 20, 2024 at 7:10 AM
Just wanted to add- My favourite part of my viewing week is when the recap of a show I'm watching with interest finally goes up, and the recapper/ emcee says, "I now declare the Discussion Games open!" 😂
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 20, 2024 at 7:13 AM
I love that description of the fun in the recaps comments🥰
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34 LaurenSophie
August 20, 2024 at 7:58 AM
I'd rather overwritten than underwritten, and one of this drama's best features is the rapid-fire dialogue (especially between the leads), so I'm happy so far. As always, I cringed at the excessive scenes of Mom beating on her daughter both physically and verbally (that's not the way to parent your child at any age, but especially when they're in their thirties) but when it led to that powerful fight in which Seok-ryu articulately spoke for all of us in telling her Mom why her actions were unacceptable, it no longer felt gratuitous. Clearly, the Mom is going to have an arc here, too, where she grows from an easy target of her smug school friends to a woman who learns how to see her daughter as her own person and express her frustration with her in a more productive and loving way. Liked the drums thing, though!
But the best part of the drama is the relationship between the leads. I completely believed that these are two people who have known each other forever, and deeply care for one another. The familiarity felt natural and based on a lifetime of knowledge of what makes the other tick. For now, because she's more openly in crisis, the focus is on Seok-ryu, but it's just clear enough that there's plenty going on beneath the seemingly implacable surface protecting Seung-hyo from scrutiny. But I do like that Seung-hyo is clearly a good person without seeming one-note or the bland foil to Seok-ryu's chaotic energy.
As I said elsewhere, I've always liked JHI, but I'm excited that for the first time that I can recall, he's playing a character who looks like his real-life age, and I find him very appealing and believable as a man in his thirties. Obviously, he continues to be boyishly pretty, but there's an edge there that wasn't before, and I'm loving it. He's a good straight man as well, and I appreciate that neither he nor the director seem to be forcing him to try hard to be funny.
JSM is fantastic, too, and her broad embrace of the comedy works well so far. I was worried that I'd find Seok-ryu annoying with her perfect face, perfect hair, and perfect Elizabeth-Holmes/Steve Jobs black turtleneck, but JSM shows the fragility of her ego and ambition in a way that makes her very likeable.
Finally, shout-out to those kid actors! They are amazing, adorable, and perfectly in sync with their adult counterparts.
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hacja
August 20, 2024 at 10:05 AM
@laurensophie Seeing romantic chemistry is subjective, so I understand why you and I have different views of this, and I'm sure as the ML's words begin to match his behind the FL's back actions, revealing the true depth of his love, I'll be won over.
But I have to ask you, as someone whose opinion I respect, in what scene you heard this appealing rapid fire dialogue between the leads. Maybe its the case in Korean? But where did the ML say one thing that was funny, or even one thing that was not mainly derogatory? When you tease a long time friend, don't you do it with a certain affectionate manner, that I never sensed with the ML?
Obviously, he cares for her, but you saw that through his actions, not in any dialogue. I thought the dialogue between the leads (again in translation) was really the weakest part of these two episodes in terms of establishing the nature of their relationship. Instead it was childhood flashbacks and then of course showing the ML working to fix up the room that showed their relationship and his feelings.
Could you cite a scene that had the rapid fire dialogue that showed affectionate familiarity? I need some evidence, please!
(Joking, of course. You are under no obligation whatsoever to respond!)
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Alluvial_Fan
August 21, 2024 at 10:54 AM
Thinking about your challenge as I work in the garden. There was a bit of repartee after FL learned the ML was being stiffed in his work. Her first thought is to dress up like gangsters ("I should have gotten a scary tattoo") in animal-print clothes. The ML replies that "I never ever want to see you wearing leopard print clothes".
"Are you worried I'd look too hot for you?"
"No, you'd get shot and hunted down".
Okay, its not Dorothy Parker level banter but it was mildly amusing with hints of lowering the mutual hostilities.
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hacja
August 21, 2024 at 12:14 PM
Okay, that's a good one, and I missed it, so thanks for bringing it to my attention. But you know, more of that is what I would have loved to see, and if that was the general level of their discourse, that would have spared this comment section several long, decidedly unwitty posts from me!
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tabong
August 20, 2024 at 3:31 PM
"Obviously, he continues to be boyishly pretty, but there's an edge there that wasn't before, and I'm loving it."
It's the mullet.
#ThePowerOfHair
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too_much_tv
August 21, 2024 at 6:01 AM
Oho! 🤣
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35 hacja
August 20, 2024 at 9:17 AM
I had hopes for this one because of Jung so min who is one of the most beautiful and charming young women in kdramas. Unfortunately this does not seem, after 2 episodes, to be that great—just pretty standard and run of the mill.
This is the 3rd light romance that has the woman returning home after career disruption/failure. If I wasn’t convinced that its just lack of originality that explains why these themes are repeated (this is also a theme of Hallmark t.v. romances in the U.S. and has been for decades) I’d think there might be some sort of ideology at work here, like letting women know that careers aren’t fulfilling and they should go back home.
But speaking of cultural trends, this is yet one more rom-com where Moms are the figure of fun and the focus of blame, and yet one more where Asians are having to jump in to defend “their" culture against accusations from outsiders asking why “Asian moms” are like that, as if making fun of domineering Moms is not characteristic of many cultures. As a white U.S. man, its seems to me its not “Asian culture” at work, it’s a mother's place in a heavily patriarchal society, where a woman's one source of influence and power came through her children, and then of course men’s willingness to make jokes about it.
Are rom-com tropes reflective of real life behavior? Why of course! That’s why I urge romances shows to have happy ending marriages, to end Korea’s birthrate crisis!! That I personally love happy ending marriage stories has nothing to do with my preference—my concern is about real life Korea, I tell you!
My one real disappointment about this show, besides its total lack of originality, is that the interchanges between the leads aren’t particularly amusing and, as far as I’m concerned, showed no chemistry whatsoever between the leads. Of course, both of those could change, and also, I don’t speak Korean, so who knows, maybe the interchanges did reflect poorly translated “banter.” What I read on the screen, was the ML saying things like “get out” “leave” “you’re ugly and stupid” I half expected him to say, in the scene where the FL was really upset after getting kicked out by her Mom, “why don’t you just go kill yourself.” Instead, he took away the umbrella so she would get soaked, said “go ahead and cry” —not at all sympathetically, and then half smirked when she did. Yep, that’s some real chemistry right there!
The thing is, there have been a lot of Korean rom-coms that I’ve seen that do have genuine banter between the leads (most recently, Dreaming of Freeking Fairytale) and they are fun to watch. This wasn’t, really. There have also been a lot of romances that have genuinely funny or non-villainous Mom characters, rather than just stereotypes. It takes some talented and non-lazy writing, which so far this show lacks.
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vienibenmio
August 20, 2024 at 10:09 AM
Thank you for the validation! I'm glad I'm not alone.
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shinayame
August 20, 2024 at 12:44 PM
I love happy ending rom-coms too, more so if they come with banter and without any martyring or second lead shenanigans. I do think, however, that you may have taken the banter here literally, without considering the context within which the dialogues were said.
For example, the dialogue you mention where he closes the umbrella and tells her to cry: We've seen him multiple times over both episodes observing her when she thinks no one is looking. He's known her since they were children, so he presumably knows what she looks like when she's trying to hide her feelings. Plus when he finds her on the swings, she clearly wipes her eyes off before she puts up her walls, which means he's seen her cry before she notices him, and he sees her actively put up her mask to head off any questions about why she was crying. And clearly, he also knows she isn't being completely truthful about why she's back. So, because he knows she won't cry in front of him, and she starts laughing to cover up her tears, he gives her an out. And she takes it without hesitating, where maybe she would have soldiered on in front of her mother or other best friend.
So, I think there is chemistry between them, but it's just not overt yet because that's not where the characters are at this point in the story.
I have had this argument made to me before in the recaps for another show that if an audience has to assume many things about a story, then the screenplay isn't doing its job, but I think that contradicts show, not tell to a certain extent. This show specifically is a good example of show, not tell. You don't want the audience to have to hunt around for meaning, but spoon-feeding them everything doesn't work either, because it takes away their engagement in the show.
So, I do think context is important when judging the effectiveness of dialogue, in short.
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hacja
August 20, 2024 at 3:13 PM
Thanks for your response! You are right in everything you say that Seung-Hyo knows what's up, and furthermore, we've seen that he cares deeply with his actions when she is not around. I have no doubt that the show will pretty quickly transition to his openly loving her.
But for me, the relationship would ring more true, if it went a little further in actually establishing chemistry, rather than assuming that because we know its a romance and they are the leads, we will feel its there with "non-reaction reactions" to quote @missvictrix
For example, the park scene in question-- obviously Seung-hyo is not a banter type of guy (so why are people talking about the great banter? He's not going to say "Hey, when I said to cry, I didn't mean to cry that much!" in a kind of teasing but sympathetic way. But he could have leaned just slightly toward Seok-ryu (not much, just subtly) rather than turn away with an uncomfortable half smile on his face.
And then later in the scene "The rain washed away your makeup. You look horrible." In this emotional context, I don't think that's effective dialogue. It wasn't teasing--it just was kind of jarring. (I actually don't think Seok-ryu's later proffered wisdom "You have to love someone to hate them" is true either-but that at least was consoling.)
And then another context, and this is a line from the bedroom scene where she has called him to thanking him for redoing her room. "Could you keep the curtains closed-I don't want to see anything unpleasant when I look out the window." How is that line effective in establishing chemistry? To me it reads like a pretty lame attempt at establishing that the ML wants to deny his feelings.
But it seems that in most kdrama rom-coms, the ML wants to deny his feelings (its kind of a tired trope to me, but I realize I have to put up with it since its so commonplace), and its only effective if there's some crackling romantic chemistry, which I have not felt yet, despite the best efforts of Jung So Min!
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shinayame
August 21, 2024 at 8:03 AM
I think this difference in opinion is coming from a difference in perspective, probably, specifically in how we view interpersonal interactions. For my part, I didn't need any physical indications of closeness beyond what they showed on screen because a) this is just the beginning, so they will probably build up to it as they go along, b) the two characters haven't seen each other in years, and likely, haven't spoken very frequently either. If their network is anything like mine, most of the news they got about each other came from third-party sources like Mo Eum or their mothers. So, Seung Hyo's probably still figuring out how to act around her again. c) Trading jabs and insults is just a dynamic some close friends have. My mother used to question whether my best friend in school was actually my best friend because we couldn't speak a civil word to each other. Didn't make us any less friendly. So, considering the "mother's friend's kid" aspect, this might also be another reason for the general standoffishness.
For you, I assume, there is more of a need for clearer verbal and physical signs of intimacy to feel chemistry between characters, which for me will become more relevant further down the line when the feelings actually come into play.
This difference in perspective seems to be a predominant theme of this episode's discussion thread, and it's very interesting to me. I don't often see such a clear debate between culturally opposite points of view on DB.
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hacja
August 21, 2024 at 12:23 PM
I think also our disagreement stems from what we would view as an acceptable type of teasing. I just would never, ever make any joke about the physical appearance of a close woman friend--even a male one, for that matter; nor would I be so blunt in some things without any teasing tone. In any case, as I've said, I'm pretty sure any objection I have will be irrelevant in a few episodes, unless they continue to be standoffish and saying unfunny things to each other for 10 episodes. Then I'll be watching it for the secondary romance!
petrolia
August 21, 2024 at 10:28 PM
I share your fascination about seeing the different points of view on display here...
For me, the interactions between FL and ML didn't strike me as being off or derogatory on any part of them; one part is just it's their way of communicating and has always been, so they have to build it up from there now they're adults and neighbours again and both in seemingly dire straits.
The other part is that I thought that ML uses their way of talking rather effectively to give her space to cry, on the jungle gym. I liked what he said - you can only do one thing! If you have to cry, why are you making jokes? He saw right through her there. And yes, he folded up the umbrella, but then both of them got soaked, he as well as her. For me that meant something, too.
Before I watched the second ep I read about the ML being rough on the FL, and when I watched, I couldn't see that. If anything they were rough to each other. But that they value and respect each other a great deal shines through all the time, for me.
It's interesting that for others this is presenting very differently.
Midnight
August 21, 2024 at 1:03 PM
I didn't want to jump in because I'm not watching the show, but the more I read the more I feel compelled to reply.
What you have written, in my very humble unpopular opinion, and from the other shows I have seen of him, is Jung Hae In.
He is the one giving the vibe you are describing, not the writing or the character.
I always get this uncomfortable jarring conceited dare I say it nearly bullying sense from him. I really really liked him in The Three Musketeers, but then he turned me off completely in every single role after. I was hoping to watch this show and finally maybe like him again, but what you have written describes to a T exactly what I get from him in every drama. So I guess I should pass this one...
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hacja
August 21, 2024 at 2:24 PM
That's interesting! I'll have to pay more attention to him to see if that's the case. Its pretty hard to do when his costar is Jung so-min, though!
petrolia
August 21, 2024 at 10:32 PM
Fascinating! I don't see him like this at all. And I won't argue about why, because it seems to be all down on personal views. I've rarely read such a wide spread difference of opinions, impressions and views like in this thread.
Midnight
August 21, 2024 at 10:52 PM
@petrolia Definitely personal view. I have been really confused for years why I can't see him like other Beanies do. So I was quite surprised to see that hacja is saying exactly what I have always felt about him.
Mr Everything
August 20, 2024 at 6:35 PM
There definitely is a great level of intimacy in knowing what someone else is thinking at a particular moment.
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Kathryn51
August 20, 2024 at 6:10 PM
@hacja, you said: "this is also a theme of Hallmark t.v. romances in the U.S. and has been for decades" and that was one of my first thoughts after reading comments. It's a story as old of the ages (sometimes it's the guy returning to his roots), but there's a reason we humans watch and it's because we are drawn to stories about family, connection, resolving old pain, sacrifice (altho I really, really hope none of the family members ends up at the memorial home - that will be 1 less ⭐ from me if it happens).
I'm here for Jung So Min (no one could keep me away), will almost certainly stay for the stellar "senior/parent" cast of the parents and prepare to enjoy my first glimpse of Jung Hae-in.
All in all - a great start. Including Top 10 in Netflix USA - something fairly rare in Netflix USAdom.
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hacja
August 20, 2024 at 9:46 PM
Jung so min is a real pleasure to watch as an actress, that's for sure!
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Mr Everything
August 20, 2024 at 6:33 PM
I think the relationship here is implying a complicated past of failed attempts at confessing. I think the banter is supposed to be interesting because it is different. The FL is dorai and not demure. (sorry for that reference). But also, her aggressiveness is probably a mask for her unrequited feelings. And, his familiarity with her as a dorai probably partly explains the lack of tenderness he gives her. Maybe because he is showing her respect to make her own mistakes. But, also, maybe because he knows about her feelings but also that she is too afraid to make a move, so being too tender would make things weird.
Alternatively, there is probably something wrong with him and his family which might also explain his behavior.
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empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 8:58 PM
Nooooooo...it's so patently obvious that he is the one holding a secret torch for her! He is way too affected and conscious of every little thing she says or does whereas she seems oblivious to her effect on him.
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chibi8535
August 21, 2024 at 12:00 AM
But also, her aggressiveness is probably a mask for her unrequited feelings.
Most certainly. Along with a feeling of deep inadequacy. The Mom and Dad already have that chip on their shoulder (as shown individually in the first 2 eps) because of their socio-economic standing in the community as chicken-shop owners... something which they never fail to project onto their firstborn daughter (albeit subconsciously)... This gets compounded further if and when (in the past) she probably developed a crush on her best-bud who also happens to be the golden-boy of the school & neighborhood, and she would always be second-best to him in everything, and she'd get constantly reminded by the other Aunties and maybe even via her Mom's casual remarks of how she'd never be enough, and never be *good* enough for them.
All those defensive walls, her going away to US for her Uni studies, the acknowledgement towards her perfectionism, her tendency towards an 'all or nothing' style of living her life.. I have a feeling that's where it's headed.
She has decades worth of unresolved feelings to sort through, and clearing away the mess in her room was such a nice visual metaphor for what's going to come! She's finally out of her survival/ auto-pilot mode with some time on her hands...... ;D
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pliplipli
August 21, 2024 at 5:02 AM
I totally agree about complicated past of failed attempts to confess. but to me, this goes for both of them. they both liked each other in the past but never confessed. we might get different reasons for that - maybe misunderstanding for one, a family issue for another - but I think the drama will tell us that they both liked each other and since they were teenagers
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Kathryn51
August 21, 2024 at 10:58 AM
they both liked each other in the past but never confessed.
That's my guess as well - this is a 16 episode drama and presumably there will be much more "unpeeling the onion" of their childhood and adolescence. Missed opportunities? Perhaps one or the other confessed to having feelings for someone else?
And perhaps the translation was iffy, but at one point someone said that Seok-ryu "ran away" to the US. If she got a scholarship to the US, she could have received a scholarship in Korea, but something drove her away. I wonder if ML mom had something to do with it - time will tell.
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too_much_tv
August 21, 2024 at 5:59 AM
Oh, yes, the ML definitely has family issues. His parents don't get along. His dad doesn't show up for him. Her family is loud and his is too quiet. Her family, especially her mom, are very important to him emotionally. It would be a huge risk for him to try to transform their close relationship into something romantic.
I bet that dynamic has been going on for awhile and contributed to her decision to seek education in the US.
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36 LillyBee
August 20, 2024 at 11:25 AM
I was let down. But I'm still hanging on.
Like others have mentioned, it's pretty... basic so far. Something is not clicking for me, not checking all the boxes yet.
The decision to start the drama with that scene of the mothers was not a good one. Later, I got annoyed with the mothers, the gossiping, the female lead, the friend... I'm hoping they tone it down, and I'm hoping they grow up. Please no more abuse, no more hitting daughters or friends or siblings. It's also strange coming from a 30-year-old woman. To put your friend in a headlock and to be pulling people's hair.
I'm hoping the mother actually apologizes. Use words.
The best part of these episodes was that mom-daughter conflict coming to a head. "Don't live vicariously through me."
Also, lots of dramas talk about the burnout of working hard. But few talk about the moral/ethical conflicts that often occur at work. Especially at big corporations. Or how many sell their souls to be "successful."
I'm not sold on the romance yet. It's doing nothing for me.
I don't feel like I'm looking at childhood friends. I feel like I'm looking at actors playing childhood friends. Hopefully, it becomes more natural with time.
I do like that he's gentle with her and encourages her to feel her feelings. Her one friend was not doing that, so I'm hoping she has more emotional support (other than just him).
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vienibenmio
August 20, 2024 at 11:52 AM
Yeah, and there was a fart joke like... within the first five minutes, I think? Not the best way to win me over, lol
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LillyBee
August 20, 2024 at 4:11 PM
I cringed right away!
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cjoyce17
August 20, 2024 at 3:24 PM
I was so close to dropping because the first episode scene with the mothers is taking too long
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LillyBee
August 20, 2024 at 4:12 PM
I actually saw on Tumblr that someone dropped it because of that scene in that beginning. Hello and goodbye!
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37 Emily Hewett
August 20, 2024 at 12:37 PM
The first episode took it's time to settle in, but by the end of episode 2, it's safe to say I'm invested. I have high hopes for the OTP & I loved their dynamic so much. Hope it doesn't disappoint.
...his non-reaction-reaction to her canceled wedding, or the care he took to redecorate her childhood bedroom. That's why I adore Jung Hae In , he absolutely nails these kinda scenes.
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38 abalyn
August 20, 2024 at 3:47 PM
I love the chemistry between the two main leads! I think both actors have more nuance, strength, and depth in their acting than a lot of hyper popular actors. The shows they have honed their skills on weren't the big mainstream hits, but I think that makes them better actors. If this show makes them into hyper popular actors, they might get more such offers, which means better acted big shows!
I hate how the moms are acting, but I am glad the show let us see why in the first two shows, rather than just making them into caricatures until the end, or give them an undeserved last minute redemption arc. FL mom is trying to live the life she didn't have through her daughter, and ML mom is trying to cover up her loveless marriage with bragging about her son. I really hope that we see the moms grow and own their own lives instead of using their children to cover their regrets.
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Kathryn51
August 20, 2024 at 6:17 PM
@abalyn, you said "I think both actors have more nuance, strength, and depth in their acting than a lot of hyper popular actors."
I know nothing about the guy, but there are few actresses in kdramaland that can hold a candle to JSM's range of subtle communication with a simple raised eyebrow or micro glance. Plus. . . . she doesn't look like 75% of so many other actresses that I simply cannot tell apart in their photos - or their talent.
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abalyn
August 21, 2024 at 12:06 PM
A Piece of Your Mind is where I really appreciated JSM. It's a true melodrama--super sad, although the main romance is not.
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bong-soo
August 22, 2024 at 6:30 AM
Re: APOYM perhaps you mean Chae Soo-bin. It is my favorite CSB drama.
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39 JKim
August 20, 2024 at 4:15 PM
It's been a minute since I was semi-exited about a romcom on Netflix so I have been anticipating this one. It has all the elements of it being good. The chemistry seems to be there between the leads and I hope they take the slow burn route versus getting together quickly, breaking up, and then getting back together again.
One of the things I have been enjoying with shows as of late are the secondary leads. On my youtube account, it suddenly started to show clips from "The Beauty Inside" and it reminded me of how much I enjoyed watching the secondary couple on that show. I was hoping for that in this one but it was jarring to see Yoon Ji-on as Kang Dan-ho, the reporter. I'm too fresh off of "Serendipity's Embrace" where he was such an unlikable character. Kim Ji-eun as their friend Jeong Mo-eum seems like she is gonna be fun and integral in getting the leads together.
And Jo Han-chul as Seok-ryu’s father is also a comfort in knowing the show will be good. My lord... this man has to be the hardest working person in krama land. Is there anyone else that compares to him in being in successful shows?
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Emily Hewett
August 20, 2024 at 10:34 PM
100% manifesting for the slow burn route. 🤞
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40 Mr Everything
August 20, 2024 at 5:39 PM
The comment section here is really popping off. I would just like to add my 2 cents about the abusive mom debate. I actually think the mom in this show is quite different from all the shrill moms in other shows and the point of these two episodes is to show a different side of this dynamic. When the daughter comes home and suddenly reveals all of her wrongdoings, the mother is shocked and slaps her bff in a scene that is meant to be hilarious, because she is slapping him and not her daughter. Quite violent and unhinged.
I think from the daughter's perspective, her mom is simply pushing her away because she believes that her mother enjoys the reflected glory of having a successful daughter and the mother wants her to go back to restore her pride. But, I don't think this is an accurate portrayal of the actual motivations of the mother in this instance.
But, the real underlying issue seems to be poverty discrimination. Her father reveals that he is afraid that the engagement actually broke up because their family isn't good enough. Also, we see that the mother overhears people criticizing her family and her daughter in the bathroom. It is implied that the mother was trying to send their daughter away to protect her from all the shame of being poor. Because crapping on poor people seems to be the past time of all minor characters in kdramas. (Something that I hear is actually common in Seoul as well.)
But, the mother also demonstrates past and present personal growth. She plays drums when she is mad to blow off steam and not to bring criticism on her family by beating them in public. Growth. So, why did she beat her daughter in public this time? The implication is that the daughter had never done anything to elicit such a reaction in the past. So, the mother had an unexpected outburst. However, with regard to her brainless son and slacker husband, she picked up playing drums to relieve her continual stress from them (after buying them for her son who quickly gave up on them) because they are more routinely the cause of her frustration. And, she is now an expert drummer.
Also, when the daughter responds to the suggestion that she is tired and wants to come home, the mother realized that sending her away from her poor family is not the solution, so she makes a space for her in the house. Because being poor seems to be the better alternative to whatever the daughter was experiencing in the USA. More growth.
I think my interpretation is further supported by the MLs reaction to the FLs trouble. He is not trying to protect her from her mother because he thinks her mother is an unhinged violent lunatic. Rather he encourages her to talk it out with her mother because he knows that her mother is reasonable and just needs to hear it from the horse's mouth. In a way, this drama is trying to explain a complex relationship between the mother and daughter that on the surface may seem violent but actually has a lot of...
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Mr Everything
August 20, 2024 at 5:40 PM
deeper context involved. #firstTimeBeingCutOff!
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 20, 2024 at 9:18 PM
🥳Congrats on writing so much it cut off and bonus points for catching it straight away too.
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Kathryn51
August 20, 2024 at 6:42 PM
Enjoyed reading your post - sometimes those "late" to comment have more substance/analysis to share.
In a way, this drama is trying to explain a complex relationship between the mother and daughter that on the surface may seem violent but actually has a lot of...deeper context involved.
Agree. There was much to unpack in these 2 episodes and I need to re-watch because I want to see/watch/understand the various subtle cues director-nim is giving us. Perhaps I am wrong, but think that this drama may go down as a classic in terms of gentle development, Korean family dynamics. I don't want tragic, so could be wrong.
I have a personal interest - JSM is my favorite kdrama actress and I will be in Korea while this airs and I admit - I hope that I will not only be able to watch but also - perhaps??? - talk to English speaking Koreans and discover their opinions of this drama.
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Mr Everything
August 20, 2024 at 7:02 PM
I hope you have a great trip.
PS I don't live in Korea. I live in the US. I wonder if I can see a lot of the nuances of dramas because I am familiar with the culture, but far enough away from it that I can distance myself from the story. I would love to hear about your experience when you return.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 20, 2024 at 9:03 PM
How exciting to be in Korea while this is airing. I hope you get to have a DB type across the spectrum discussion as there will be multiple factors influencing the viewership and if this ends up with high ratings it would be good to know what leads to those numbers. For example I would love to know whether Queen of tears got the numbers from the actors’ fan clubs and nostalgia for the screenwriter’s other work rather than the content of the story.
As outsiders it makes little sense that weekenders which are a different quality to the average drama continue to get higher ratings than some excellently written and acted dramas but we know it is because weekenders appeal to a different demographic.
Hope you have a safe trip. It will be great to hear your experiences on your return.
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Mr Everything
August 20, 2024 at 9:10 PM
Isn't it also that shows on KBS have higher ratings because they are not on cable?
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 20, 2024 at 9:17 PM
Good point!
Scottie
August 21, 2024 at 4:45 AM
The mother clearly has many issues which were thankfully explored in the much better ep 2. The daughter has evidently learned from her parents that saving face is very important. She does not tell them that she was unpopular at work and that her fiancée cheated on her, both must be or will be seen as her own failings and cannot be admitted. Not even or maybe especially not to the parents which I find really sad.
The mother's tantrum is triggered by the embarrassment caused by the cancellation of the wedding for which invitations have already been sent out. The loss of face is felt so deeply that she is emotionally not able to find out the real reason, although deep down she is clearly worried. There is room for the mother to grow up!
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too_much_tv
August 21, 2024 at 5:52 AM
I'm not sure whether what we're seeing is growth, or a reveal of things the audience doesn't know about the characters. I do love character dynamism, but I think here we're too early to consider this a change. I think you're right that the ML wants the FL to talk with her mother.
They play the hitting (between parent and child, and between the FL and the ML) for laughs. Also the insults between the FL and ML are played for laughs. But I think the writers want us to know that they actually show their love for one another.
(I suddenly had an explosion of thoughts based on my own childhood with a mom who hit about the meaning of hitting and yelling. Hm.)
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PYC
August 21, 2024 at 11:06 AM
Thanks for pointing out the class difference thing, which puzzles and bothers me when watching these two episodes.
The two families are clearly ‘class’ apart though living next to each other. The interior set of the two households are world apart. One set of parents are diplomat and doctor, whereas the other couple are the normal working class family. It’s implied that the ML was looked after often by the FL’s family whilst young and during mom’s absence. It’s a convenience but what will happen if the two families were to become one.
It therefore takes heart to see ML’s mom defend the FL’s mom/family at one point when others criticise them. And the worry of FL’s dad about being looked down is real and probably based on things happened past.
A lot to unpack.
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empressgirl
August 21, 2024 at 9:31 PM
THIS!
I thought I was alone in my bewilderment and wondered if I read it wrong.
Two things that bothered me:
(a) "Mum's friend's son": I get that this phrase/idiom sets SH up to be the yardstick & high bar for comparison. BUT I can only concede this as the one-upmanship and mums-bragging spilled over from the previous gen.
b) I don't get the sense that the childhood friends are embroiled in any form of toxic/unhealthy rivalry.
c) More importantly if I compare their achievements apple-to-apple, I actually feel that SR is more illustrious on the academic and career fronts, until SH opens his own firm (being your own boss trumps working for someone else) so I don't get the overall sentiment from viewers that he is the high bar she is trying to live up to.
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2) Their class disparity: SO, personal achievements aside, that means the only thing that SR loses out to SH in is -- family pedigree (class). And this is where it bugs me in the same way it did you -- I was like, wait, they live NEXT DOOR (did the urban planners like screw up zoning or what?) How much of a class disparity are we talking about here?
If they want to do class disparity (like real chasm-so-wide-you-drop-into-ravine type) you need to do those chaebol live-in housekeeper's daughter (see: The Inheritors) to technically have a sharp social class chasm whilst living in close proximity.
So I am still trying to see where they are going with this
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Mr Everything
August 21, 2024 at 9:45 PM
Yes, class isn't about personal achievements or wealth. It is about the family you come from. You can be poor and upper class and well-off and lower class. I suspect the implication is that FL is supporting the family whereas ML is able to quit his cushy job and take all his savings to start his own firm. Being a business owner is a big deal. Even if you make less money than a supervisor at Starbucks in the United States.
To get the happy ending that the audience wants, we will have some fantasy social rule breaking. Hopefully, they will have a secret relationship that they have to hide from co-workers, friends and family. This is my favorite trope.
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chibi8535
August 22, 2024 at 12:35 AM
Excellent points! I was hoping somebody would bring them up for further discussion because my comment rambling about the show title and architecture as a profession got way too long!
(c) Absolutely. If comparing apples to apples, SR 'wins' on the academic front (full scholarship in US in a tech background?), the career front (a major consultancy firm in the US) as well as the marriage front (assuming to be some fancy hotshot Mom likes to frequently boast about, likely in the same circles as SR in the US).... compare that to SH (Hankuk Univ? Architecture- not as prestigious as STEM fields, top guy at the top architecture firm of the country. I mean, the Gensler guy is never winning against the Goldman Sachs guy... sorry! and finally no fiancee). 😭
I wonder if all of this is a result of a overcompensating on SR's end? Am I short-changing her?
(2.) Also, the Aunties will always have a bigger bias towards SH's achievements because a.) he's a boy. b.) his parents work in creme-de-la-creme of all professions. a diplomat + medicine prof? dang, you can't top that! c.) background as a national athlete. he was probably also getting better grades at school.
Yeah, that kind of an initial bias is NEVER getting revised. Not even if you decide to open a new studio!
The zoning thing is a great point! The interesting thing is, SR lives on a corner plot, whereas SH's house is 2nd in the row. SH also moved into the neighborhood in 1995 from France, right before the AFC, whereas SR's family already occupied their said piece of land. If my understanding of the trajectory of real estate prices is correct, there is no way SR's family is able to afford such a premium piece of land as a fresh purchase in the early 90's as well as pulling through the AFC without liquidating the equity tied up in the home. (Which I suspect, SH has done with his city apartment, to keep his studio afloat, hence moved back with his parents). Which brings me to the point that SR's house is likely an ancestral home passed down, and because the family is not THAT well off financially, they have not bothered to renovate either the exterior or the interior of the 70's? 80's style house!
But yes, chicken shop owners (falling on hard times perhaps and running the shop as a compulsion)... are no match to a diplomat + medicine prof combo. You do not need to have an extreme pairing like a chaebol and a housekeeper's daughter to make the mismatch obvious. And I also do not find them sharing a fence unbelievable. This is literally how the socio-economic demographics of a neighborhood changes over time. :')
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empressgirl
August 22, 2024 at 6:34 AM
Quick thoughts:
a) Corner unit: Yes I noted that too! (corner units are premium though...) so I am inclined to think it is either an inherited ancestral home like you said, or the father used to be well-off (then fell into hard times).
b) Another possibility is ML's posh family downsized (to be cash-rich; assets-poor) cos the parents' jobs and lifestyles require them to be away often anyway. Plus it is easier for the rich to downgrade than for the poor to upgrade.
c) But tbh, we would really never know with just 2 data points. We may need a 3rd (neighbour) to triangulate, then we can better gauge if the story is set in a posh district code, a humble hood, or a mixed-income community lol
It would be really interesting to delve into neighbourhood typologies and the presenting patterns of income diversity or economic exclusion, but I am really not the expert here!
welh
August 22, 2024 at 8:07 AM
Korean development and zoning laws are relatively new compared to western countries like the US. Having wandered both rich and poor neighborhoods in Seoul, older, mixed use blocks are the most common (residential and commercial side by side.) Even in Gangnam, there are alleyways that connect to older 1970s residences that pale compared to nearby modern villas. Unless the city condemns a large parcel for redevelopment, new construction or rehab is done on a building by building basis. Ironically, the more development restrictions has led to more land speculation.
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41 ememoonie
August 20, 2024 at 8:47 PM
thank you for the recap @missvictrix! I was ready to watch for Jung So Min and the promos I see everywhere got me excited. Ep1 was a little tropey and seems to be finding its footing, felt a little off to me but ep2 has got me officially hooked.
I always love family dynamics and casts that interact with everyone, not just 1 character, it's always more natural that relationships overlap. This drama looks like it's gonna be messy, complicated, and warm, Seok-ryu's family will be the heart and core of the relationships and I'm here for it.
(SPOILER ALERT) The tension between Seok-ryu and her mom was stretching to breaking point and I was glad there was a confrontation. I think it hurt more when Seok-ryu showed up with the brooch but her mom actually didn't want her there and the lies was the last straw, it was painful and embarrassing because I think everyone knew it was all lies, and I hurt for Seok-ryu. So I wasn't surprised by the exchange after, words needed to be said and the truth hurts. Both actresses were greattttt I hurt for them both T.T I hope Seok-ryu's mom realised that she cannot be living through her daughter and the breakfast /room redo is a sign she can improve, please this is already a sorry and I love you.
I knew I was drawn in when Seok-ryu opened her mom's drawer and saw the expired cosmetics. It felt like deja vu because I had this exact moment with my mom, there was just a ball of complicated feelings then which I relate completely with Seok-ryu.
I've never really connected with Jung Hae In before this but he's gonna be Mcdreamy in this isn't he. The stolen glances, little smiles, and the bedroom redo, hellooo, it's definitely a sign of his lingering crush. I'm excited for what's to come, bring it on Show!
Shoutout to Seok-ryu's mom (Park Ji Young) who's fabulous! It's so easy to hate her for her attitude but the way she's playing the character got me feeling sorry for her. The scene when the brooch fell out and she put it on got my heart all twisted.
I related a lot to the Asian stereotype that resorts to violence to express all sorts of feelings and then regret it immediately. Words are a type of violence too and the realization of the truth in Seok-ryu's words for Seok-ryu's mom was heart-wrenching.
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42 empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 10:39 PM
On Time, Timing & Shifting Dynamics
Some quick impressions:
a) As mentioned by some Beanies, the shift in their dynamics is foreshadowed and signposted in who is leading whom in the 'grab-hand-and-run-for-your-life' scene as the partners in crime made their escape from mom's fury
b) Whether in the blossoming of love or even in making a successful love confession, both time & space are KEY.
TIMING: That's why I thought it notable that the meteor shower that was already foreshadowed (in the TV day news report ignored by Seung-hyo) but was missed the first time by ML.
Yet he did get a 2nd chance when the another shooting star whizzed past them (this time jointly witnessed by both childhood friends in the same time/space) and they hastily made a wish.
It tells me that SH has missed his chance at either a love confession / romance with SR before, but this is his 2nd shot.
b) SPACE: This is key too -- and we see it signposted in both visual leitmotifs and geographical locations.
-- Of Love l hate & satellites:
SH observes that a change of position (space) i.e. as when a satellite goes into retrograde orbit changes the alignment and dynamics to Earth, just as love can change to hate (or vice versa)
-- Parallel commentary: when the shining shooting "star" (SR) falls from grace (retrograde trajectory) and has to "come back home" (title of pilot) from U.S., her change of space/position (back to Korea, back to the house next door) is actually what makes it possible for a romance to blossom between these childhood friends again.
-- and the other object (SH) likewise recognised that planetary / satellite shift and swiftly moved right back home (opposite her bedroom too). Our homeboy is finally getting his ducks in a row here
--- P.S. even the fact that he chose the plot of the former sauna where they used to bathe together for his current architecture firm, AND that the dialogue of how they used to go to the bathroom together so she could help him pee was revealed in that very same space (office) is significant.
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empressgirl
August 20, 2024 at 11:38 PM
Of Ceiling, Stars, and the Heavens:
Related but a digression -- I am intrigued by the parallel ceilings (and by extension, worldviews and sense of time) that are associated with the ML and FL.
Hers: glow-in-the-dark ceiling stickers recreating the constellations and starry night skies
Symbolised: her dreams, hopes, aspirations, the future ("I thought when I grow up, I will be tall enough to touch the sky")
Her view of life is expansive, the sky's the limit
His: Goguryeo tombs inspired stepped ceiling (see link)
https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/14/12/1455
Symbolised: Architecturally it is restrictive as the progressive layers of stone slabs decrease in dimensions the higher they rise towards the ceiling of the tomb. It is meant to construct heaven or their view of the afterlife.
In SH's case, you can see his worldview as restricted compared to the expansive thrust of SR's starry night skies, and his orientation towards the far future (the afterlife) or perhaps the past (a hinted death in the family he never got over?)
I do wish to see that beyond just a rom-com, it will evolve into a healing drama of their past and their respective family dynamics and wounds.
"Love Next Door": if love is truly next door, it is not just a person but a whole other family to love. Let's love ourselves and one another back to wholeness.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 20, 2024 at 11:59 PM
Thanks so much for sharing the link and your ideas that this is a drama that can be watched on many levels☺️
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Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
August 21, 2024 at 12:08 AM
I really like your interpretation of her vs his worldviews, as seen through the skyviews! It is so intriguing, and sheds so much light on their depicted personalities. Thank you.
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too_much_tv
August 21, 2024 at 6:12 AM
Wow, I love this! It also changes the scene with the umbrella on the jungle gym.
He is about creating shelter. He's an architect! You just pointed out, he is interested in the worldview of the past as expressed in ceilings.
He brings an umbrella when they are getting rained on, because she's insisted that they climb to the top of a structure--the outside of the structure, an open structure. Then he has the realization that he has to take the umbrella off of her for her to feel her feelings. (Like in that cheesy song I nevertheless really like: "feel the rain on your skin, no one else can feel it for you.")
Also the graves and burial thing...Yeah, you are on to something here.
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empressgirl
August 21, 2024 at 9:07 PM
That's a great observation about the jungle gym and umbrella scene!
Also, it is only *after* he puts down the brolly and they both weather the rain in the open skies that they next witness the shooting stars / meteor shower that allowed them to make their wishes (she is slowly but surely drawing him into her worldview, her skies and towards a zest for life...)
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too_much_tv
August 21, 2024 at 9:43 PM
We are going to have some fun with this show! ♥
ginkoVal
August 21, 2024 at 8:16 PM
Wow, what a beautifully intriguing observation. Thank you so much for sharing the link to the Goguryeo tomb with the stepped ceiling. When I saw that structure, I knew it must mean something, but I didn't dig deeper into it.
I really love your interpretation of her vs. his worldviews, especially about the past and possibly hinting at a death in the family. It's rather strange that memorial architecture or something related to death keeps popping up in the first two episodes, so there must have been something that happened in SH's family.
And OMG, I love your observation about the second chance from the meteor shower.
Now I can see this drama is already deep on many levels. Thank you.
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empressgirl
August 21, 2024 at 9:14 PM
Glad you enjoyed the article, I did! 🧡
1) Yes, ML does have a morbid preoccupation with the topic of death and funereal matters. Intrigued to see how it will unfold from here.
2) I bet my money this boy has blew his chances at confession to her before!!! 🤣
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ginkoVal
August 22, 2024 at 12:06 AM
I can't wait to see how their backstories unfold.
One little trivia tidbit I'm not sure if others notice—Seok-ryu's name in Korean means pomegranate, took after her mom’s contraceptive dream of a pomegranate. In East Asian culture, pomegranates are considered auspicious fruits, symbolizing fertility, bountiful offspring, abundance, posterity, and luck. Traditional weddings have pomegranates embroidered on the red fabric to symbolize the hope of numerous offspring, blessed family.
Seok-ryu’s gift to SH’s new opening was ‘herself,’ as she joked - the pomegranate, which for now remains a leafless bonsai. I’m excited to watch the plant blossom and nurture its bounty.
empressgirl
August 22, 2024 at 1:48 AM
Re: SR's name means pomegranate
That makes it all the more meaningful when she gifted him a pomegranate tree at his firm's opening then!
Yes indeed, pomegranates have all those allusions not just to abundance but also marital fertility! 😍😍
Initially I just thought she picked a rather austere and barren-looking sapling as pathetic fallacy -- to reflect her own withered sense of self, but I like your take that in some way she is gifting 'herself' to him in entrustment (because of her name) -- as script foreshadows him nurturing her back to full bloom again.
I also like how her cavalier threat operates at a more emotionally symbolic level ("Every leaf that drops off will mean your business is withering") to signal that their mutual fates are bound together and loving her well is in reality loving himself well 🧡🧡
ginkoVal
August 27, 2024 at 9:18 PM
*conception dream.
Just realize my mistake.
petrolia
August 21, 2024 at 10:41 PM
And maybe it's very telling that we saw him first being late for an award show because he was having a talk with a funeral director about how to design a space for keepsakes of passed loved ones. Tbh I'd loved him for staying there and listening to more of their conversation...
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pineapplegongzhu
August 26, 2024 at 3:49 PM
@joanna - thanks for sharing your observations and analysis of the different environmental and contextual elements which reflect the internal operations of our leads! Those were really insightful and intriguing!
One thing I noticed (and wondered what your thoughts were) was in episode 1. It was when Seok-Ryu was in Seung-Hyo's office and when she rightly guesses the historical tombs that inspired his office ceiling window. He said (sadly all I know is the translation from Netflix) "It holds the principles of 'the sky is round and the earth is square'."
He is quoting a common and ancient Chinese belief that the earth is square whereas the sky is a round dome surrounding it. But, I wonder if the writers were also hinting at Seok-Ryu's and Seung-Hyo's opposing but complementary personalities, which indicate their compatiabilities (despite apparent contradictions - round vs square). She is the sky and he is the earth.
I wondered this as well since (in episode 3) Seung-Hyo is described as a bear in his cave (not unlike a tomb) after his accident, and only Seok-Ryu is able to reach him - by climbing in from the outside (underneath the sky) into his room (the cave/tomb).
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empressgirl
August 27, 2024 at 1:06 AM
1. Yes, for sure. Cos that is a Chinese belief (天圆地方: literally the sky is round the earth is square) rooted in Taoism about chaos, Ying & Yang (which is our childhood friends' energies in a nutshell).
2. What I also find interesting is how those same architectural theories are practically manifested in the Chinese Beijing Olympic Bird's Nest (circle) and the Water Cube (square); the former is the National Stadium, the latter the Aquatic Centre.
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/life/2008-08/29/content_11569491.htm
Why is that important? Cos the Bird's Nest and the Water Cube were built specifically for the 2008 Beijing Olympics (YES, the very same one that Seung-Hyo failed to compete in because of his car crash in 2007 right after qualifying as an Olympic athlete candidate).
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pineapplegongzhu
August 27, 2024 at 10:14 AM
@joanna - YES, that's right (re: 2008 Olympics)! I love the consistent motif of Seung-Hyo as square/earth with the Water Cube. Perfect symbolic writing.
Indeed, the Ying/Yang dynamic runs throughout the show.
empressgirl
August 27, 2024 at 1:14 AM
His sporting dreams are metaphorically dead and buried. So when she failed twice at the door, it's significant she succeeded on the 3rd try from the outside in, through the window (brandishing an axe like a proper tomb raider 🤣)
Also, remember at their first meet-reunion, the bookshelf toppled and she hastily crawled out to safety whilst leaving him to hold the fort (with SH giving her a stink-eye) and she sheepishly explained: "I have a strong attachment to life."
SR clings to LIFE, whilst SH clings to SR. and that's how she pulls him relentlessly towards life as well (in spite of all the heavy death motifs)
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43 Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
August 21, 2024 at 12:03 AM
Seems I've lots to say about this show hahah
That all brown suit, coupled with his partner's all green one... Uff they looked like they would break out into a choreographed comedy- dance routine. I don't know why, but they kinda reminded me of Jim Carrey's zoot suits in The Mask lol. He did look like nice in that Thom Browne (?) sweater though, and I wish he'd dress biz-casual like that more.
And since I'm on my fave topic, (I love analysing drama fashion, and hope the mods will pick it up as a post topic someday if there's enough interest- either best or worst. And Houses/ Interiors, too!)...
Did anyone else feel her suitcase was curiously empty for someone who's come back indefinitely? :p
I mean, as a chronic overpacker myself, apart from the puffer jackets, I didn't see any sign of actual clothes (or her supply of huuuge Doc Martens). Unless she wore what she'd left behind a decade ago, because some outfits sure looked styled that way- the dress over jeans, the white lace one under the lumberjack shirt- all gave me retro nightmares. If she did bring it all back, there's a person here who wants to know where they got that magical Harry Potter, all you can pack, suitcase from, if you please!!
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sonai
August 21, 2024 at 10:36 PM
The dance routine! 😂😂😂
That brown suit. Ah, well. Looked kinda 70s to me! (That big lapel. Weren’t the trousers even flared? Looked like it a bit when he was shown on the playground, but not 100% certain.) That’s why I immediately thought it would also be highly flammable and very uncomfortable to wear, lol! 🤪 The pinstripe suit wasn’t better, either. 🫣
(Apropos that mullet: maybe he has a sageuk lined up next and wanted to grow out his hair? It has been done before… 😆)
I guess the suitcase must be magical. In the same way that rooftop apartments are. Definitely no space whatsoever, but endless supplies of clothes. 😂
I liked her in the light yellow + red outfit! (She wore it when she delivered the rice cakes to his new offices.) The rest looks reminiscent of her time when she was still living home, I agree… 🤔
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chibi8535
August 21, 2024 at 11:46 PM
I half-looked away when Mom roughed up her limited edition Pink Rimowa trunk in a fit of Mom-anger. Istg, Aunty..... That thing costs more than your chicken shop groceries for 3 dang months. [looked it up: sold out, 1080 usd]. T_T That baby got treated worse than it would on an Air Asia baggage conveyor belt!! T_T
Moving on... I had a friend who had to move back on a very short notice from USA after their postgrad studies + 3 years of working when they did not get picked for the visa. The only thing they brought back were countless winter jackets (we don't get good quality ones, fashionable ones in our country even though it's 2024!!... heck we even have Parents who go visiting their kids in the states and come back with a suitcase full of winter jackets)... So istg, that got such a HUGE chuckle from me, for its accurate af portrayal!!!! 🤣
And nice catch, that she dresses in clothes that she probably left behind, i.e. stuff from 15 years back. I love how effortlessly she carries them off without the cringe. I could never! 🤣
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44 denwanai
August 21, 2024 at 10:22 AM
Damn, I love both the leads, but I found myself fastforwarding too often.
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45 FlourPower
August 21, 2024 at 11:01 AM
I am really not a fan of shows portraying physical violence as normal and okay, even if it's a woman doing the hitting and she's directing at her adult children. Other than that, I'm fully on board with this show and this cast though, and fairly confident it's going to be good.
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46 PYC
August 21, 2024 at 11:14 AM
I was worried that I’d drop this like Dr Slump and Welcome To Samda-ri….but no, I like these two episodes.
Have an inkling that it’s a stayer due to (1) the very natural and comfortable chemistry of the two leads (and they are meant for each other) and the chaotic parents of them (and the stellar cast give me faith and trust in them).
The drama delivers to me the long lost warm feel of weekend family dramas. Looking forward to the next two.
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47 Diana Hansen
August 21, 2024 at 11:24 AM
I'm hooked at the first episode. I like relationship type settings and how they all grow up (or not) is always a good story. Makes for good changing dynamics between charactors.
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48 DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
August 21, 2024 at 5:18 PM
" his non-reaction-reaction to her canceled wedding" ... Yes, that!
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49 Puffington Bear
August 21, 2024 at 9:07 PM
I hate the physical violence. Stop choking, hitting, kicking, etc … it’s disgusting.
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50 pineapplegongzhu
August 22, 2024 at 7:19 AM
HEY HEY HEY, Beanies! It’s been a long time! I resurrected K-Drama watching for Love Next Door. Thanks for the recap, @missvictrix! To be honest, I’m really only here for Jung So-Min and Jung Hae-In (well, except for the mullet, whoever made that character design decision needs to be fired).
I’m late to the comments party (as usual). First, I have never seen Hometown Cha-Cha-Cha, Doctor Slump, or Welcome to Samdal-ri, so I’m just happily ignorant and enjoying the ride without comparisons.
Secondly, Jung So-Min and Jung Hae-In really carry this drama. Their chemistry is fabulous, and I agree with @LaurenSophie that their bickering and bantering are well-written and well-executed to walk that fine line between overly-familiar childhood friends and just-under-the-surface-secret-attraction for one another.
Thirdly, I really love all the ensemble scenes - the neighbourhood confrontation at the end of Episode 1 and the family breakfasts in Episode 2. The drama really shines in these moments because it shows the interactions of the characters that perfectly reveal how much love and investment are in these neighborhood relationships.
Although Seok-Ryu and Seung-Hyo are our OTP, I’m also really invested in how the mother-daughter dynamics play out between Mi-sook and Seok-Ryu. They are actually very alike. I know a lot of people have a distaste for the common K-drama trope of mother-beating-child, but actually Seok-Ryu is quite the bully herself! Perhaps a learned behavior, but also one that I think leaves room for a good character arc for both mother and daughter. I love the small beats that show how much mother and daughter really love one another - the pearl and gold broach, the saved expired cosmetics, etc etc.
I liked how Mi-sook and Seok-Ryo’s confrontation cleared the air relatively quickly. I felt a lot of empathy for both Mi-sook and Seok-Ryu. Some have commented that redecorating Seok-Ryu’s room and cooking for her was an inadequate apology. The thing is, I don’t think it was MEANT to be an apology. Not exactly. From the confrontation it seemed that Seok-Ryu expressed the crushing weight of Mi-sook’s expectations, and the fact that she didn’t feel loved or welcomed as evidenced by (1) her room being used as a storage unit and (2) the refusal to let her join in at breakfast in an earlier scene.
But, it seems obvious to me that when Seok-Ryu CAME CLEAN to her mom that she was broken, her mother’s true heart was shown. What did she do? She welcomed her daughter back into the family: not just by emptying her old room of junk but asking Seung-Hyo to redecorate it well! Then she cooks for Seok-Ryu, too, not to apologize, but to say (in so many words) “I love you more than the prestige you bring to hide my shame. You mean more to me than what others think or say about us. If you are broken, you can come home, and I will feed you to make you stronger.” She DID choose her daughter’s...
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pineapplegongzhu
August 22, 2024 at 7:34 AM
As usual I write a book, and then get cut off:
She DID choose her daughter’s well-being, she DID put her daughter first when she fully realized the situation. She IS on her daughter’s side. That is what I got from the scene. Maybe this is just me projecting my own Chinese-American experience, but I know when I’m broken my mom (who HATES cooking) will cook for me because eating well is the building block of good health, and good health the springboard for coming back FIGHTING!
Thoughts on Bae Seok-Ryu
So, I guess Bae Seok-Ryu is considered a wild child, or as Seung-Hyo would put it: chaotic. But, she seems to have a lot of her mother in her - ambition, vision, diligence, determination, energy, grit and creativity. What Seung-Hyo considers crazy (like entertaining the idea of washing corpses for pocket money - HAHA), I think shows Seok-Ryu is able and willing to think outside the box. There were two allusions to her running away in Episode 2, and the comment that she remained in school even after running away from home. At least this signals to me that our girl’s got spunk in spades. This may be why I was so grieved on her behalf when she lost her job and found her fiancé cheating on her - it takes a lot for her to hit rock bottom, but rock bottom is where we find her.
Thoughts on Seung-Hyo
I also agree with @missvictrix that the childhood flashbacks show that Seok-Ryu has mishandled (and misunderstood) Seung-Hyo most of their lives. She calls him a fragile child who she tries to protect, but sometimes it looks like he needs protection from her. HA! Yet, underneath that cool, calm, and shy exterior there seems to be a man just as determined and strong as Seok-Ryu (just less vocal and overt). As much as he lets her boss him around, he can hold his own around her. I can’t wait until she can finally admit that she sees him “as a man”. He really is the perfect foil for her, she may be strong and loud, but he’s strong and still/quiet.
Best parts that made my squeal and rewind/repeat:
(1) Different flashbacks to their childhood relationship. Episode 1: when they were holding hands running away from Mi-sook and it cut to their childhood game of tag. I liked the transition (and anticipation) from childhood memory where Seok-Ryu was leading the chase to the present day when Seung-Hyo changes to take the lead in running away.
Nothing is funnier than in Episode 2 when Seok-Ryu and Seung-Hyo recounted their childhood memories together, but they were so totally different that it was obvious their personalities both clash and click beautifully.
(2) I love the ways in which Seung-Hyo can read Seok-Ryu in ways that other people take more time to figure out. Like when she came to his opening day, but he could tell she was uncomfortable and wary. He knew exactly where to find her after the cathartic methdown with her mom. At the playground when he called her out on trying to hide her tears through...
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pineapplegongzhu
August 22, 2024 at 7:36 AM
Aaaaaaand I got cut off again (tell me you're a PhD student without telling me you're a PhD student ROTFL):
At the playground when he called her out on trying to hide her tears through laughter. How he meticulously recreated her bedroom from when she was a teenager - only someone totally in love would remember such details 20+ years later.
I also love how completely deadpan he was in his “congratulations” for her wedding in Episode 1. If that didn’t say “the girl I’ve longed for is truly out of reach now”, I don’t know what does.
(3) I also love the ways that Seok-Ryu shows that she loves and trusts Seung-Hyo. He’s the only one she allows to see her crying (not out of anger or frustration) but out of genuine sorrow and vulnerability. He can chide her like no one else can. When she offered to get the money Seung-Hyo’s clients owe him — like the neighborhood thug that she is — “I’ll make them an offer they can’t refuse…” HAHAHA!!
OR when she insisted on looking at his injury after toppling that bookshelf (which he caught to protect her - <3) - there was definitely that overly-familiar childhood friend vibe, but given that they are not related, the boldness she used to look at his naked back - I was fanning myself “Like, GUUUUUURL, that’s a bit brazen and sexy.”
Speaking is sexy, I find it hilarious that Seok-Ryu keeps teasing Seung-Hyo about calling her a “doll”, which I assume means that she’s pretty. I love the layers in that because she’s obviously teasing him (as if just to point out that he’s calling her attractive unintentionally), but I think she must sense (deep down) that he is attracted to her. And he flicks the accusation away with a comeback, but he’s just uncomfortable enough that we know that he does (think she’s as pretty as a doll).
(3) Jung Hae-In with an umbrella - whether it was Pretty Noona Who Buys Me Food or Love Next Door - there is something special about Jung Hae In with an umbrella - although I preferred the red umbrella in Pretty Noona.
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