Defending the throne with Jeon Jong-seo as Queen Woo
by solstices
In a flurry of arrows and clashing swords, TVING’s Goguryeo sageuk Queen Woo further unveils the intrigue of its first teaser. Chronicling the political chaos that ensues after its eponymous heroine loses her husband to war, the drama pulls no punches with its bloodthirsty power struggle.
“All of a sudden, I found myself growing curious,” Jeon Jong-seo (Wedding Impossible) muses, as the titular queen Woo Hee. “If the king were to die, who would take the throne next?” Alas, her hypothetical becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The king Go Nam-mu — played by Ji Chang-wook (Welcome to Samdalri) — perishes on the battlefield, and a devastated Woo Hee sinks to her knees by his corpse.
There’s no time to be wasted upon grieving, however. “The king’s death will soon be akin to that of the Woo clan,” says the family head, while Jung Yumi (Celebrity) furrows her brows in anxiety as the queen’s sister Woo Sun. “Is there no other path?” Woo Hee asks the prime minister Eul Pa-so, played by Kim Mu-yeol (No Way Out: The Roulette), but the grim look on his face says it all.
Owing to Go Nam-mu’s death, his younger brothers are out to stake claim on both his status and spouse. There’s the ruthless third prince Go Bal-ki, played by Lee Soo-hyuk (Tomorrow), who has no qualms resorting to violence and underhanded means. Next to him is Kang Young-seok (Welcome to Samdalri) as the fourth prince Go Yeon-woo, alongside the armor-clad fifth prince Go Gye-soo, played by Jung Jae-kwang (Connection).
“I will proceed with a levirate marriage,” Woo Hee proclaims, in a bid to maintain her status. Before the king’s death is announced the following morning, she must return with Bal-ki, but she disagrees with the plan: “I cannot entrust the throne to someone like him.” Vicious and volatile, Bal-ki has set his eyes on the crown, and he hires a fur-cloaked mercenary to hunt Woo Hee down.
They aren’t the only ones in pursuit of her, however. Many seek to have the queen in the palm of their hands, scheming to corner her with breakneck chases and brutal ambushes. As her late husband once advised, it’s time for Woo Hee to protect herself. She must survive, with any means necessary. Her allies aren’t spared from the onslaught, either, and Eul Pa-so fends off his attackers with a dagger in hand. Elsewhere, Woo Hee draws her bowstring: “Now, I shall show you what I’m capable of.”
Helmed by PD Jung Se-gyo, alongside scriptwriter Lee Byung-hak, Queen Woo will release Part 1 of its narrative on August 29, with Part 2 coming September 12.
Via Edaily
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Tags: Jeon Jong-seo, Ji Chang-wook, Jung Yumi (2), Kim Mu-yeol, Lee Soo-hyuk, Park Ji-hwan, Queen Woo
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1 🌸 Seeker 🌸
August 11, 2024 at 11:15 AM
I legit got shivers watching the teaser. 😨
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2 Kurama
August 11, 2024 at 11:42 AM
I'm so excited to watch it! I need a dark and epic sageuk!
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3 Kitsune Moon
August 11, 2024 at 1:47 PM
GOOD GOLLY
I am not a fan of facial hair AT ALL (it's actually a turnoff for me) but Lee So-hyuk looks fantabulous OMOOOOOOO
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4 Minnie🫘👩🏻🚀Pioneer and Teacher 👩🏻🏫🌱🏹
August 11, 2024 at 3:37 PM
I...like it! A lot. No a fan of CJW dying but....Lee So-hyuk is killing it.
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5 too_much_tv
August 11, 2024 at 3:52 PM
Wait. They had levirate marriage in Korea? Really? Where are the sageuk historicity inspector Beanies?
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OldLawyer
August 11, 2024 at 4:10 PM
It would not have been possible in Joseon but this is a Pre-Joseon Sageuk- so who knows? Definitely not me.
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too_much_tv
August 11, 2024 at 4:26 PM
I have been learning Talmud and actually attempted to tackle the tractate about levirate marriage. It's complicated and also exceedingly squicky. But...this is Korea??
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OldLawyer
August 11, 2024 at 4:54 PM
My hat is off to you for tackling such a daunting subject.
This story is set in Goguryeo, a time when the status of women in Korea was much higher than in the rest of Asia or even the rest of the world. South of Goguryeo was Silla, which during its history actually had three ruling Queens (see 2009's THE GREAT QUEEN SEONDEOK for the story of the greatest of these queens). Whatever the rules were that were in effect then have to have been different from the Neo-Confucian nonsense imported into Korea during the Joseon and almost certainly also different from the Buddhist dominated society that prevailed during the Goryeo dynasty. Further- Goguryeo at its greatest extent was a big country, actually a true empire the majority of whose subjects were not Korean. This is why it is quite possible that a much different set of principles prevailed there.
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too_much_tv
August 11, 2024 at 6:18 PM
@oldawyer I do not want to take too much credit for the Talmud study. My friend talked me into doing the 7.5 year page a day reading project and for whatever reason I'm trying to stick with it.
In Jewish law the idea is that the widow only marries her husband's brother in the case that the husband had no children. It's based on Genesis 38. Even by the period of the Mishnah, the rabbis discouraged people from actually doing the levirate marriage. Instead they encouraged people with the obligation to do levirate marriage to perform a ceremony of repudiation with a sandal. Anyway, I'm very curious about Korean levirate marriage. I wanted to watch this show anyway for the lead actress, because I'm shallow, but now I feel like I can justify this because I will learn something. Yeah, that's it.
Minnie🫘👩🏻🚀Pioneer and Teacher 👩🏻🏫🌱🏹
August 11, 2024 at 5:35 PM
It's based on true story. She indeed married her brother-in-law Sansang, circa 197 AD, after her husband Gogukcheon of Goguryeo died. Whether the story truly played out as they show in the drama is tbd.
Courtesy: Beanie @kiara
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kiara
August 11, 2024 at 5:48 PM
There is another sageuk from the Goguryeo era, "JA MYUNG GO" (2009), featuring a levirate marriage in which a Goguryeo general dies in the war, and his younger brother marries his older brother's widow to protect her.
Minnie🫘👩🏻🚀Pioneer and Teacher 👩🏻🏫🌱🏹
August 12, 2024 at 6:55 AM
Actually there are incidences in Joseon too that are not generally brought to notice because the dramas have not might not have brought them to the notice. Widow remarriage and property ownership (limited) was also allowed up until the late 1400s (1477 to be exact) after which it was banned. Everything became rigid and inflexible after the Kingdom became a hermit in the 18th and 19th century.
For example, Joseon kings were allowed to take their father's concubines as their own. Which means they were allowed to have any woman from the list of their father's consorts as long as they were not their mothers or adopted mothers.
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too_much_tv
August 12, 2024 at 4:18 PM
Ooh yikes, sleeping with your parents' sex partners, that seems like a bad idea.
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Minnie🫘👩🏻🚀Pioneer and Teacher 👩🏻🏫🌱🏹
August 12, 2024 at 4:45 PM
I know right? It's such a huge turn off even to read about it, but it happened. Kim Gae-si or formally called Court Lady Kim was probably the most famous one who became a concubine of King Seonjo and later of his son, Gwanghae, after Seonjo death. She used to be Gwanghae's Court lady growing up, so that might explain it. But I am sure there were others who didn't find their way into the annals.
too_much_tv
August 12, 2024 at 6:21 PM
It also happens in the Bible, but it is double-plus ungood when it does.
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kiara
August 11, 2024 at 5:27 PM
Levirate marriage was an old tribal (clan) tradition/custom, even preceding the era of the three kingdoms (Goguryeo, Baekje, and Silla). It served as a means to safeguard the family's lineage, wealth, and the welfare of widows. Since men often died early due to wars, widows had the right to inherit their late husband's properties. It was the duty of the younger brother(s) to marry his widowed sister-in-law. This tradition is similar to ancient Jewish customs, especially in situations where the widow is childless, like Queen Woo.
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Minnie🫘👩🏻🚀Pioneer and Teacher 👩🏻🏫🌱🏹
August 11, 2024 at 5:36 PM
I was typing when you posted ❤️
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kiara
August 11, 2024 at 6:12 PM
I'm putting together a historical summary of the Three Kingdoms era, and I'll tag you when I'm done.
If you're interested in learning about the founding myth of Goguryeo, I recommend watching JUMONG @viki. It has numerous episodes, but it provides a good understanding of the written history. Goguryeo consisted of multiple tribes with similar customs and traditions, which were distinct from those of later Joseon, with which we are more familiar.
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too_much_tv
August 11, 2024 at 6:20 PM
Thank you so much!
Neolttwigi
August 11, 2024 at 6:54 PM
'not available in my region' sigh. Could you tag me on the history as well? Thanks
OldLawyer
August 11, 2024 at 9:42 PM
JUMONG is among the very best of the pre-Joseon Sageuks. That being said, however, what is 'known' about Jumong is at least as much legend as fact. Jumong is like King Arthur: He did indeed exist but much of his story is myth.
kiara
August 12, 2024 at 7:43 AM
All the founding myths of the Three Kingdoms are not factual and could be referred to as Strange Tales of the Three Kingdoms era. 😀😆
6 OldLawyer
August 11, 2024 at 4:11 PM
If it is in two parts does that mean it will stream on Netflix?
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7 LaurenSophie
August 11, 2024 at 4:41 PM
This looks dark, intense, and smart. Doesn't seem like there will be much--if any--romance, though. Not saying that's a bad thing, necessarily. Curious to see if all the intrigue and action will sustain my interest.
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8 jillian
August 11, 2024 at 5:13 PM
Why did they have to release this in two parts when it only has 8 episodes ... 🤦♀️
I guess I will wait when its all out or wait for reviews
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 14, 2024 at 2:54 PM
It's in "two parts" but there's only two weeks between the two releases.
It's like airing bi weekly 4 episodes each, instead of weekly for 2.
Not ideal, and still kind of silly, although it's probably for some marketing or advertisement reason, but not the worst either. I dislike weekly for 1 ep more 😅.
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jillian
August 14, 2024 at 5:27 PM
Yes its not ideal. It would ruin the momentum. But I think the one episode a week is the worst.😊🙃
I think they are just experimenting on the episode releases. It may make sense to whoever made that decision. 😅
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9 abalyn
August 11, 2024 at 5:31 PM
I can't do sageuks, but I'm glad to see Jeon Jong-seo act in something that will be a fit for her acting skills. She was so much better than Wedding Impossible, especially the second half.
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10 peiyeelai
August 11, 2024 at 5:54 PM
I love saeguks, especially dark, heavy and epic ones!
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11 Snow Flower
August 11, 2024 at 8:05 PM
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12 Snow Flower
August 11, 2024 at 8:06 PM
Hello, availability angst!
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13 Diana Hansen
August 12, 2024 at 9:37 AM
I love saeguks and I love them more when you can learn about culture and history from them. This looks too good to miss (except for the death of JCW) I mean the king JCW.
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14 kiara
August 12, 2024 at 11:49 PM
@sicarius, @gikata, @marcusnyc20
Well, I can't say we didn't see it coming after the first trailer.
"Drama 'Queen Woo' embroiled in controversy for historical inaccuracies."
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/art/2024/08/398_380240.html
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Gikata
August 13, 2024 at 12:00 AM
Damn, that was fast! Also lol at "borrowed from Hengdian" comment, savage. Well, at least the drama around the drama is gonna give us some entertainment for sure...
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kiara
August 13, 2024 at 7:33 AM
LOL, Ikr. It's hard to trust cable channels with sageuks. They should have just borrowed or copied some of the 3 kingdom-era costumes from MBC.
I've seen the 'jougwan' in Goguryeo dramas before. In JUMONG, the three young princes of Goguryeo wore it. https://ferinayuliani.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/yuri-biryu-onjo/
I wonder if Paramount was trying to wiggle out of this, but TVING made it seem like it was their call.
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Gikata
August 13, 2024 at 11:45 AM
Based on pics you provided I wonder if production deliberately opted for different style of hair crown because "jougwan" looks a bit silly... Then again, KINGDOM had all kind of silly feathered gats possible, but it didn't distract from horrors of plot and foreign audience actually loved them for unique visuals.
Anyway, they knew what they're doing - hopefully they're also ready for consequences, unlike KBS with JE. Latter, irc, was doomed once all sponsors ditched the show so there was no financial point to air it anymore. I assume paid-to-access streaming platform wouldn't have such problem?
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kiara
August 13, 2024 at 5:51 PM
I'd take the Goguryeo feathers over the Joseon gats, thank you very much. 😃
Maybe they didn't think it was going to be a big deal, but I think it's important because, if done accurately, what they wear tells a story about their history.
Early Goguryeo people were heavily influenced by Shamanism. They believed that animals, birds, rivers, mountains, and humans all have a soul.
When Queen Woo turns sideways, you can see that one of her gold hair ornaments is shaped like a three-legged bird, which represents a crow. In Korean mythology, it's known as Samjok-o. It symbolizes the sun and great power, equivalent to an emperor or the greatest of kings. It's explained more in JUMONG, starting from the very first episode.
Anyway, let's hope that things will work out and that it'll air on time. We waited too long for a three-kingdom-era sageuk.
Diana Hansen
August 13, 2024 at 6:52 AM
Well, there goes my history lesson down the drain.
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kiara
August 13, 2024 at 7:36 AM
*Sigh* I guess we'll wait and see.
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bong-soo
August 13, 2024 at 6:54 AM
@kiara, Iirc early on you expressed concern about a potential QUEEN WOO controversy. Many of us recall the JOSEON EXORCIST debacle.
Thanks for the linked article. Quite interesting. The article referenced an UNDER THE QUEEN’S UMBRELLA controversy that I somehow missed.
Seems to me the writer and producer should pick their fights in productions like this. When clothing, hairstyles, jewelry, food etc from a particular historical period are documented, why go against that in a historical drama? Be creative with the characters in the drama.
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Diana Hansen
August 13, 2024 at 7:07 AM
Totally agree! I want to see Korea represented accurately in Korean dramas, as much as possible.
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kiara
August 13, 2024 at 7:49 AM
I couldn't get into UNDER THE QUEEN’S UMBRELLA, so I dropped it.
What the heck were they thinking? The disputes between China and Korea over the history of Goguryeo are sensitive and should not be disregarded.
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OldLawyer
August 17, 2024 at 11:45 AM
Indeed, very important to both. At its height much more of Goguryeo lay in China (plus the Russian maritime province) than in Korea. So Goguryeo is just as much about China as it is about Korea.
Meanwhile QUEEN WOO also covers the time of the fall of the Han Dynasty which took place while she was Queen of Goguryeo, leading into the Three Kingdoms Era of Chinese history. This is quite literally the most 'romantic' period of Chinese history so the Chinese would be particularly sensitive about how it is portrayed.
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
August 13, 2024 at 9:29 PM
I watch dramas for the imaginative and sometimes fantasy worlds they build, because otherwise I might as well watch documentaries. In this case, the documentation is about as solid as relying on the King James Version of the bible for accurate representation of 14th century BCE Middle Eastern history. It's been filtered through multiple layers of selective and often self-interested storytelling, translations of translations, cultural biases and misunderstandings, and the decay of time. As for costumes and hairstyles - sure, there’s documentation, but is it comprehensive? Were those styles universal and mandatory? Were there also ephemeral fashions, individual or iconoclastic styles, people who went
shoppingtrading in neighboring countries and wore their finds at home? What don’t we see in the limited, inevitably corrupted historical record? Accuracy is impossible when the 'history' itself is a chimera.Required fields are marked *
kiara
August 13, 2024 at 11:49 PM
I enjoy watching dramas for various reasons. It's always fun to find friends who share my interest in the dramas I like, and learning from each other is enjoyable. I especially appreciate their "honest" opinions and engaging discussions. I find the ancient history of Korea, China, and Japan fascinating! I love reading history books, watching documentaries, and sometimes keeping up with current politics. As a history enthusiast, I am drawn to historical dramas based on documented records. These are rarely produced nowadays, but they are worth my time.
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OldLawyer
August 17, 2024 at 11:57 AM
As always, a very good point here.
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TwoCentsWorth
August 14, 2024 at 5:01 AM
It’s fascinating to read the controversial inaccuracies included whether clothes were fastened on the right or left side, or whether a feather was included in the headdress or not.
As an outsider, the contention seems rather disproportionate unless viewers are deeply wedded to costume historicity. Or perhaps they worry if the show can’t get the period wear right, what can else can we trust it on?
Or could the intensity (in which South Koreans commentators are keen to demand “their” history (down to the feather!) vs the Chinese ones quick to claim their country’s influence) be more about the long simmering battle over which modern state did Goguryeo really belongs to? A difficult task when it spanned both (or three) modern states.
Thanks for the link. It’ll be good to keep the modern context in mind, strange how that works for history.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 14, 2024 at 2:05 PM
It's mostly because of geopolitics. And nobody is interested in the answer that it could be both/and (as well as people who don't HAVE a modern state equivalent). Because why would they, that doesn't serve modern geopolitical debates. lol
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hacja
August 14, 2024 at 2:45 PM
This is exactly right--as @elinor says, when it comes to ancient history of any country, even in "well" documented practices, the documentation is limited, often to an elite-produced single source, scraps of a poetic legend, or an archeological dig, and they themselves are open to wide variation in contemporary interpretation. Plus the questions these consumers of historical drama are arguing about would be unanswerable anyway. Who knows the origins of certain practices? There's no single "inventor" of food or fashion, and practices are constantly changing to adapt to people's tastes.
Beyond nationalist, hyper patriot ideology, I think the obsession with historical authenticity among some watchers of sageuks is itself a matter of taste. For them, the idea that it is "accurate" adds a certain gravitas to the production, which increases their viewing pleasure. Its similar to going to an immigrant restaurant and enjoying the food more because its "authentic." I myself have never been too hung up on historical accuracy in historially based shows and movies, but I recognize that for some its subjectively important in their appreciation.
On the other hand, I do feel these geopolitical quarrels are historical nonsense. Alarming in the tension they reveal, but nonsense nonetheless.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 14, 2024 at 2:09 PM
*groan* I'm all for criticising historical authenticity within good reason but please just let it air first.
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Midnight
August 14, 2024 at 2:17 PM
😂👌
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bong-soo
August 14, 2024 at 5:05 PM
Looking back at watching SBS’s JOSEON EXORCIST in March of 2021 I am sure I did not pick up on any of the so-called ‘historical’ stuff that irritated the sageuk police’. What did catch my eye (and annoyance) was the Catholic religious ‘stuff’ which was imo historically ridiculous.
Anyway about halfway through episode 2 on Viki I stopped watching to go to bed thinking I will finish the episode tomorrow. Lol, well there was no tomorrow. Gone, baby, gone.
(I am still irritated to think of what Jang Dong-yoon went through because of JE.)
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15 💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 14, 2024 at 2:57 PM
Actually, my main complaint about this trailer is that there is a lot of dark and poorly lit and edited scenes... 😅😅 Hope the final is easier to follow. Pffft.
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16 OldLawyer
August 17, 2024 at 12:21 PM
Unfortunately, this show will be airing on Paramount+ and I refuse to sign up for yet another streaming service - I already have four plus Prime, and may soon drop Hulu. Enough is enough.
I only rarely go to the dark side, so I will probably miss this show, unless either Netflix or Viki chooses to make a deal with Paramount later. Sometime Prime will do this also.
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kiara
August 29, 2024 at 12:09 AM
There is a free trial period, but only for one week.
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OldLawyer
August 29, 2024 at 3:55 PM
Thank you for that. So the trick might be to wait until the show completes and then binge watch.
I might do that or maybe I will simply become a temporary subscriber after all. The trick is remembering to get around to unsubscribing. I did that with Disney + .
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