Queen of Tears: Episodes 13-14
by Unit
Our penultimate week comes with even more drama as everyone rallies to save our heroine’s life. Stakes are raised, resolutions are tested, we’re hit with emotional highs and lows — and just when we’re beginning to see the shore, our resident villains throw us back into the deep end. Sigh. Peace is really not an option around these parts.
EPISODES 13-14
We left off with the Hongs finding Grandpa’s panic room last week, and if you guessed that the room was empty, you get a gold star! Ms. Girlfriend already beat them to the punch and moved out all the cash. And as for kicking her out of Queensville, the Hongs would need a court order since she’s a legal resident of the house. Oops! I thought Grandpa left some evidence against his psycho girlfriend on Hae-in’s recording pen, but it was just: I regret the life I lived. I hope you live differently. I’m sorry, I love you. Blah blah blah. *Rolls eyes* RIP, Gramps, but you could have tried to be more helpful than this.
Anyhoo, dark jokes Hae-in strikes again when she uses Grandpa’s funeral as a rehearsal for what’ll happen at her own funeral — since the three months the doctor gave her has already passed and she’s practically living on borrowed time. But jokes aside, Hae-in doesn’t want to die, and fortune smiles on her when a German hospital contacts Hyun-woo with some much needed good news: there’s a surgery that can save Hae-in’s life! The downside is: memory loss is a side effect of this surgery. Ha! Knowing that Hae-in might refuse to undergo the surgery if she hears about the side effects, Daddies Hong and Baek tell Hyun-woo not to mention it to her. So, my man is forced to become a liar.
Blissfully unaware, Hae-in is overwhelmed and overjoyed at the thought of her upcoming life-saving surgery, and she goes on a trip with Hyun-woo. On the trip, she reveals that the MP3 is hers, and trust her to tease Hyun-woo with his “I don’t remember the owner of the MP3” statement two weeks ago. Get him again for me! Lol. Hyun-woo can’t believe that the Cinderella from high school ended up being his wife, and BaekHong marvels at their movie-like love story.
Since Hae-in now has a chance at a future together with Hyun-woo, she slips on the divorce withdrawal ring! As the CEO of a department store, Hae-in hates customers who return things and demand a refund, so she has no plans to return the ring back to Hyun-woo. The department store reference made me smile, but I teared up just as quickly watching Hyun-woo insist that Hae-in can’t take back her decision to withdraw the divorce — even if she forgets. Oh dear! Keeping the surgery’s side effects from Hae-in must be so hard on him.
Hae-in also dyes her nails with balsam leaves because of the legend that goes: if one’s nails are still colored by the first snow of the season, their first love will come true. First love aside, the dye signifies her anticipation for the first snow since she never thought she’d last until winter. But Hyun-woo is more concerned about the first love part of the legend. Not this man getting jealous of himself. Pfft.
As the Hongs prepare to return to Seoul, Beom-ja meets up with her Yongdu-ri crush because he claims to have something for her. But it’s not a love confession as she expected, it’s just condolence money for Grandpa. *Faints in second hand embarrassment* But his consolation over her loss is touching, and it’s quite sad when he tells her goodbye. Nooooo. Come back, Mr. Rat, Beom-ja needs her own happy ending! As for the independent-wannabe Soo-cheol, he plans to stay in Yongdu-ri with his family for the time being until they find a place of their own in Seoul. Mommy Hong hems and haws at this bombshell, but she’s more agreeable to Hae-in’s decision to move into Hyun-woo’s apartment rather than return to Queensville. Lol.
BaekHong returns to their newlywed era in Seoul, and when Hae-in says they need to start acting like it, I perch at the edge of my seat. Hyun-woo pulls Hae-in in, I stifle a naughty giggle… and we cut to: BaekHong in bed the next morning. *Flings pillows and upturns tables* What happened to kisses and you know, what comes after the kisses? Gosh. I feel so robbed! But we get early morning snuggles in his and hers pajamas, skinship over PPL breakfast, little kisses while doing dishes, and other domestic stuff. Cute. But I still feel robbed.
Hae-in goes shopping at Queens department store while Christmas decorations are being installed, and Hyun-woo arranges for artificial snow since his wife wants to see the first snow. Must be nice. Hyun-woo is so damn curious about the first love Hae-in met on a bus, and when she reveals that she followed his bus several times back in their dating era, he’s like, Why? Sigh. “How did you even get into SNU?” Hae-in asks, on behalf of the rest of us, as it takes more than a few seconds for it to click in Hyun-woo’s head that he’s the bus man a.k.a Hae-in’s first love. Lol.
Over to the boring business stuff, anxiety over Beom-seok’s (grandpa’s exiled son) rumored return to the company results in Eun-scared using the secret funds to buy up more stocks — falling right into Hyun-woo’s trap. Hyun-woo plans to gather evidence and charge him for embezzlement and violating foreign exchange transaction laws. It’s a solid plan but for one little detail: Land Scammer has been murdered — presumably on Eun-seong’s orders.
In the midst of this, BaekHong departs for Germany, and Eun-seong follows them — after having all traces of Hyun-woo removed from Queensville. Eun-seong already cornered the information about the surgery from Grace, and the psycho is excited at the thought of Hae-in losing her memories. Waitaminute. This guy is really not planning to do what I think he’s going to do, right? Right?? Sigh. Delulu is really not the Eun-solulu here.
Eun-seong’s Germany trip means that he’ll miss the upcoming stockholders meeting, and Ms. Girlfriend is pissed. But Mr. Mommy Issues claims that he wouldn’t have been curious about the Hongs or jealous of Hae-in — and eventually fallen in love with her — if Ms. Girlfriend didn’t abandon him to enter their family in the first place. Sure, let’s blame it all on your mommy.
In Germany, Hyun-woo comes clean about the surgery’s side effects to Hae-in, but she doesn’t take kindly to being made to pick between memory loss and death, so she decides to forgo the surgery. Oh boy! Hyun-woo begs Hae-in to choose life, but “Being alive means I cherish my memories and draw strength from them.” Hae-in’s memories define her life, and losing them means she’ll no longer be herself.
The Hongs and the Baeks come up with different strategies to persuade Hae-in into getting the surgery, but her mind is made up. I wish I could say “it’s just memories,” but what is life without the memories of who you are and the people you love? It’s an emotional conversation on both sides, and I’m partially sobbing, partially laughing at the Hongs and Baeks turning off the video function and assuming they ended the call completely.
Hae-in wishes to cherish the memories of loving others and being loved in return until her last breath, and in a crushing and tearful embrace, she begs Hyun-woo not to make her want to live. “I won’t be able to recognize you. I’ll become a stranger,” she cries. But Hyun-woo promises to be the first person she sees after the surgery, and then they can love again. Even if she doesn’t fall in love with him when she wakes up, he has no plans of letting her go because together forever is the goal. Neither side wants to give in, and while I have watched a number of emotional BaekHong scenes, this one is on a whole new level. I want to move on, but at the same time I want to stay in this moment to relish the pain. Kim Soo-hyun and Kim Ji-won understood the assignment here, and they delivered like their rent was due.
I go from crying to laughing when Hae-in’s jealousy is activated on seeing other ladies ogling at her man. I mean, can you blame them? Hyun-woo rubs it in by intentionally courting the ladies’ attention because he plans to make it unbearable for Hae-in to leave him behind — a marvelous plan by the way, because I’ll personally snatch him up if Hae-in still chooses to die after all this. But we cannot have one minute of a happy and relaxed BaekHong without creepy Eun-shadow trailing after them with his evil eyes. Mtchewww.
To make good on her threat to clear all obstacles on her son’s path, Ms. Girlfriend arranges for a meet and greet between BaekHong’s rental car and the Truck of Doom. After wrestling with her conscience, Grace calls to warn Hyun-woo, but it’s too late. Hyun-woo watches in horror as the truck rams into the car — where his wife is supposed to be waiting for him! Damning the rising flames, Hyun-woo punches at the glass until it breaks (and I definitely won’t be trying this at home), but Hae-in is not in the car as she stepped out to buy a lucky four clover leaf moments before the accident. Phew!! I was so scared. Guys, I cannot sing Kim Soo-hyun’s praises enough for this scene. Man went through a whole range of emotions: panic, desperation, anguish, disbelief and relief, in less than two minutes!
Ms. Girlfriend might have planned to get rid of Hae-in with this accident, but all she does is provide Hae-in with a first-hand view of the utter wreck that her husband will be if she dies. Hyun-woo wasn’t kidding with his “If you die before I do, I’m going to live one more day and follow you,” statement during their honeymoon. Although Hae-in is terrified of losing her memories, she doesn’t want to lose Hyun-woo, so she decides to undergo the surgery. Yasss!
Park Ji-eun writer-nim really said: “You want a bed scene? Fine! You can have one. In the hospital.” Because why is Hyun-woo sharing Hae-in’s bed when he’s not a patient? Lol. Hae-in prods Hyun-woo to come clean about the things he has been keeping from her because she’s gonna forget them after the surgery anyway. And on the list of things he couldn’t say to her before, is the “I love you,” we have all been waiting for. B-but that’s not something you’d want her to forget, silly! I was already sniffing at Hyun-woo’s “Stay by my side for a long time. Let’s do ordinary things and grow old together,” and a tear or two dropped when Hae-in gave him a diary containing notes about herself, for him to hold on to, and give her after the surgery.
I could barely see through my tears as Hae-in was wheeled in for surgery, and I totally lost it watching Hyun-woo crumble alone after pretending to be strong in front of her. Some nerve-wracking hours later, the surgery is over, and we are all relieved. But before Hyun-woo can fulfil his promise of being the first person Hae-in sees when she wakes up, Interpol comes to arrest him for the murder of Land Scammer. You have got to be kidding me! From where to where?? I’m still trying to make sense of everything when Eun-slimy-bastard steps out of the elevator to announce himself as Hae-in’s guardian, and I’ll be damned.
Eun-seong deserves to have all his teeth knocked out for calling Hae-in “his woman,” but that’s not the main issue here. Doesn’t this hospital have records? Patient protection programs? Anything? How is it possible that a random idiot shows up claiming to be a patient’s guardian, and nobody flags it? To make matters worse, Eun-seong sends the prosecution to Daddy Hong on some embezzlement charges to prevent him from leaving Korea, so Hae-in is left at the mercy of that psychopath. OMG! Hong Hae-in, wake up and fight back!
We get a heartbreaking montage of Hae-in’s memories going up in flames one after the other, and then it’s all white. The first thing she wakes up to is that bastard smiling at her, but her first words are: “Baek Hyun-woo?” Ha! Get him again for me! Hae-in has zero memories, but Eun-seong is still not an option. Still, Eun-stubborn refuses to back down. He fills Hae-in’s head with lies about how much they love each other, and he tells her that Baek Hyun-woo is her ex-husband and stalker. Oh! I have never been this riled up in a long time. I want to enter my screen to fight!
The week ends with the first snow of the season, and BaekHong watches the snowfall from the detention center and hospital room, respectively. Hae-in feels like something is missing on her fingers — her ring — and she clutches at her chest in pain as the sight of her colored pinky catches her eyes. Her first love had better come true as the legend says.
We get the most heartbreaking set of epilogues yet, with a pre-Germany Hyun-woo recording a video message for Hae-in where he introduced himself as her husband in the event that she loses her memory. I didn’t think I had tears left to cry after watching that video message, then we got a pre-surgery Hae-in repeatedly mumbling Hyun-woo’s name and touching her colored pinky while being put under anesthesia — because repeatedly mumbling things you don’t want to forget is Hyun-woo’s secret to memorizing things. And now I’m broken all over again.
I was a complete mess this week, and it’s all thanks to the combo of emotional scenes and the BaekHong masterclasses in acting. They had so many rent-due scenes, I can’t even choose which one broke me the most. BaekHong is the egg wash holding this makjang pie of a drama together — I mean, we have entered makjang territory and the show is not even doing anything to hide it. In that case, can we have more of Hyun-woo and Hae-in and less of everyone else?
I get the idea of raising the stakes, but I’m tired of the villains still winning at the eleventh hour. Actually, I’m tired of all the non-BaekHong arcs. I don’t care that Da-hye tried to run away again because Ms. Girlfriend used Geon-woo to threaten her to give up a USB containing some incriminating information. I also don’t care for her “You’re making it harder for me to leave,” sob story when Soo-cheol begged her to stay. I’m sorry to Kwak Dong-yeon, but this is already stale, and the drama needs to pack it up.
We’ve got two episodes left and Baby 1031’s story hasn’t been addressed; neither have we had a full episode of pure bliss and fluff. Come on, this is supposed to be a rom-com! And I know my priorities are kinda skewed here, but we also haven’t had a good kiss scene since Episode 5! For the love of a married couple’s romance, BaekHong deserves another kiss scene. We viewers deserve it. And now that death has been removed from the equation, the drama better deliver on a happy ending next week.
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1 fannypackage
April 22, 2024 at 1:16 PM
i liked all the baekhong scenes this weekend but the plot was either messy or so slow that im torn on how much i like it.
frustrating cuz ep 14 was sooo well acted but i feel like the pacing of it and just some small added details would have made it so much better.
like the hit-and-run scene just needed a little bit more set up to not feel so jarring. have haein nap in the car, hyunwoo goes to buy snacks, rest of it all proceeds as normal. but the fact that the scene starts with hyunwoo already in the convenience store is so puzzling. i didnt even know to be worried about haein cuz i didnt realize that that was the car they were using.
anyways speaking of that scene, once i got over my annoyance/confusion of the set up, i was soooo blown away by the acting. holy crap!!
im really happy that they didnt leave the surgery and the “will she live” thing for the final week. cuz it's been dragging for the whole series, and tbh wrapping that all up leaves room for scheming to happen which has me excited.
having eunseong back for ep 14 was a blessing if i’m being honest, it’s more exciting when he’s around lol. ep 13 was soooooo slow for me no matter how cute i found our couple.
i love you beomja but her romance scenes are feeling more and more outta place with the tones for the eps lately. i am so tempted to skip them. sort of the same for soocheol and dahye. i dont really see their plot thread adding to the show overall.
i am hoping for haein not to remember anything. maybe just subconscious stuff or like muscle memory. but i dont really want haein to recover any of her memories because i think it’d be so much more satisfying and fulfilling if she falls for hyunwoo a second time. also it’d be a bonus if we get hyunwoo trying to woo her all over again—potential for romcom shenanigans~
i'm actually gonna get mad if haein recovers her memories. cuz like all the build up and pain not having any consequences will annoy the crap outta me
i feel like theres no need for a miscarriage flashback but i did desperately want them to talk about baby 1031. and like address that trauma... but it's looking like they never will ugh
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2 Kurama
April 22, 2024 at 1:27 PM
I watch this drama for Hae-In and Hyun-woo and I was happy because they gave me a lot of scenes of them together! I didn't mind the end because I think it will be fun to watch Hae-In falling in love with her husband for the second time and Eun-Sung being rejected for the 100 time!
Now, I love this couple and the actors, but I wish they gave us the intensity we got at the episode 5 because like now we have more teenagers love story... They gave us a lot of skinship but it's more about an emotionnal connection. They are a new wedded couple, give me a little bit of lust!
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Samdong
April 22, 2024 at 2:02 PM
Lust is not an emotional connection lmao
I feel like they are showing too much emotional connection which in turn keeping everything PG-13. I get what you mean about wanting more lust though, I do want things to get more physical *rawr*
This is just my guess, because I haven't seen all of her dramas, but I don't think KJW has ever done bed scene? I remember it being censored in Fight My Way, but I'm not sure about her other dramas. My guess is because she has a different image to upkeep compared to other KSH romance costar.
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Teloos
April 22, 2024 at 3:31 PM
Lol watch jiwon in lovestruck in the city, the bed scene in that was bold and very realistic. I think it's to do with PJE all her romance drama's are quite chaste
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Samdong
April 22, 2024 at 5:16 PM
Ah, thanks for the recommendation. Heard about that drama but haven't watched it.
I just realised now that you mentioned it, on PJE's drama. It might get to do with how she is used to write weekend dramas (which of course need to be chaste).. lol
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 22, 2024 at 8:54 PM
I agree, PJE as a writer tends to lean towards keeping things family friendly onscreen. It's not as if KSH or KJW can't pull off one, or at least a hint of one since they've done it in their previous work.
(also Lovestruck in the City was a web series, they probably had a lot more freedom with those scenes?)
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Kurama
April 23, 2024 at 12:15 AM
I agree but I think it's a PD's choice too. They are the ones who chose how to set the scene and both of them have experience. They had the opportunity to add or make things spicier.
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Another kdrama addict
April 23, 2024 at 4:16 AM
I agree that this must be PJE's style...remember the frustration (at least mine) of 2 grown ass adults in CLOY, staying together in the same house and not a single bed scene 😤
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3 Blue (@mayhemf)
April 22, 2024 at 1:28 PM
The show went full on makjang. I am not too thrilled. I expected the Hong’s to get smarter, but nope. They are are still passive and hanging around. Why aren’t they sharing information and being a strong team. It was Grace who hinted about a ToD!
And Da Hye was planning to do it the second time.
I think all the emotions are not landing for me because I feel spent. This has gone on for too long.
The whole German doc calling Baek and not Hae-in was weird. I would have liked the entire family come together and convince her rather than it all happening in Germany. The show wants to focus so much on OTP that at times I feel a little family interaction wouldn’t hurt.
Now we have to watch Eun-fake husband for an episode???
When do the tears stop! ???
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Kafiyah Bello
April 22, 2024 at 1:52 PM
The tears probably won't stop, it is in the title, but only 2 episodes left. They will probably both be 2 hours a piece as well.
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Kurama
April 22, 2024 at 1:57 PM
Hae-In wasn't the type to share things with her family. Yeah, the things changed but a little bit, not to the point to travel with her whole family. She's still very independant.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 22, 2024 at 10:17 PM
yeah she even says outright to her mother that they're not at the stage of having a typically close mother-daughter relationship yet.
And it's not exactly surprising she'd want to go with only Hyun-woo, this is also their time together after she's drawn a line with her family by saying she's moving into his place so it makes sense she wants their time in Germany to be just the two of them instead of having her whole family along.
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Samdong
April 22, 2024 at 2:05 PM
I think once you're married, your husband become your main point of contact and your closest family / guardian, esp for daughters in Asian culture.
Knocking on wood on Eun-fake for an episode. For the love of God and the plot which are in dire need of rescuing, please PLEASE don't let it last for long :(( I want him to be destroyed at least in the first part of the episode 15. Starting a circle of prayer atm lol
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Gremlich
April 24, 2024 at 3:19 PM
Eun-snake...ftfy
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jerrykuvira
April 22, 2024 at 2:25 PM
I don't think the whole family converging to talk pre-Germany would change her mind. Why? Even the video call was not enough to change her mind. She's a resolute human. And her concerns are valid. She doesn't want to forget those she holds dear.
What moved her instead was the conversation that was heard but not had. Hearing her entire family breakdown for her sake in all honesty, no doubts in sight, that was the earnest plea that got to her.
They didn't know she was still on the call. I'm sure if they did, they'd not have bawled the tears uncontrollably and unconsolably. Nor would she have seen her family fight themselves to accept her choice.
That heard but un-had conversation did any magic pre-Germany or post-Germany pre-op could attempt to achieve in such a heart wrenching turn of events.
The writer especially got that right.
And I when I saw that that was about to play out, I knew already that Hae-in will change her mind and have the surgery.
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 22, 2024 at 2:47 PM
I agree, the unplanned eavesdropping was wonderful!!
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 22, 2024 at 10:37 PM
for the character Hae-in is (extremely independent, not easily swayed) it makes sense that no amount of purposeful arguing would make her change her mind. And instead it's two unplanned events - the video call 'not yet disconnected' accidental eavesdrop and Hyun-woo's reaction when he believed she'd died - that really bring home to her exactly what her not getting the surgery would do to them, and end up pushing her towards changing her mind.
(I can't even begrudge her that initial choice to not get the surgery really, she wasn't wrong when she said her memories are what make her who she is and choosing to give them up would be like death too)
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GySgt213
April 22, 2024 at 5:47 PM
"The whole German doc calling Baek and not Hae-in was weird."
I am at a loss as to why people are finding this weird when it was Hyun Woo calling not just this doctor but hundreds of them. He knew enough about her condition to explain it to the doctors he was contacting. Even her dad was asking every doctor he knew. What would have been weird is if either of them gave out Hae-in's contact information to all those doctors.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 1:09 AM
yeah this is not a nitpick that I have either - Hae-in was doing a lot of research and contacting hospitals and clinicla trials but so was Hyun-woo, and if this particular hospital was found by him it's not surprising that he'd be their point of contact if he's emailing on behalf of a patient (who, from the hospital pov, is a family member and could be too sick to be contacting them directly)
What I do find irritating is the Hong parents and especially Hae-in's mother continuing to let Grace anywhere near them, isn't she the one who leaked Hae-in's hospital info to Eun-snake?
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Another kdrama addict
April 23, 2024 at 4:32 AM
Yes! I cannot understand why is Grace still near them! Hong mommy has learned nothing! After all that they have gone through, losing the company and the house, they seem to take things so lightly. The villains are still living in the same house.
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ar_arguably romantic
April 24, 2024 at 4:08 PM
I also thought it was weird that the doctor ONLY talked to Hyun-woo instead of asking to follow up directly with Hae-in before letting her come all the way to Germany for the surgery. I just assume that this falls under the realm of Rich People Medicine.
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RenOIshi
April 23, 2024 at 4:56 AM
They must be so dehydrated. Specially the ML.
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4 tabong
April 22, 2024 at 1:34 PM
Hae In's episodes, imo.
I loved listening to her reflexions about life and relationships.
I liked how she opened up to Hyun Woo about what she expected of their relationship in the future, now that she had a future. And I liked watching her discuss with her mom about the changes in their dynamic. And it was cute to see her make plans for her work.
I loved how half of episode 13 is just her being adorable and hopeful and carefree.
And then it was sad how everything became "just a dream" for her when Hyun Woo finally told her that she was going to lose all her memories.
It made really sad watching her tell Hyun Woo all the things that she loved about him and their love, and how she didn't want to lose it.
And it broke my heart when she made the decision to have the surgery. She didn't have to say a word. But when she was trying to comfort Hyun Woo after the ToD payed then a visit, you could see exactly what she was thinking all written on her face.
She was holding him, trying to calm him down but I just wanted to give her a hug and tell her that whatever decision she makes it's okay. That she didn't have to feel guilty about it.
Aigoo... Hae In really had a crazy journey this week.
From annulling her divorce with Hyun Woo and thinking she was going to be completely cure, to waking up without memories with Eun-kidnapper by her side.
2. Happy Beom Ja is happy tabong. I'm loving her little romance. Her future hubby is so considerate and thoughtful. The scene when he gives her money for her dad was so beautiful.
I hope that from now on Soo Cheol doesn't crash their dates anymore. Why is this guy third wheeling when he has a wife and a kid and it's looking for a job? With what time?
3. DA HYE STOP.
She really needs to stop disappearing out of nowhere. She can't just send someone for coffee and then disappear. 😂
She needs to find a way to solve her stuff while keeping her guy by her side.
I thought mom in law was going to ask her about the conversation with Eun-delulu's mom. But she just took her grandchild and forgot that her daughter in law was being threatened by a scary woman.
4. And talking about forgetting, how could Hyun Woo just forget that his car got destroyed? And Hae In (and probably him) was supposed to be in it?
For a guy that almost got killed, two times, he's so freaking slow.
5. And talking about slow men, the dads and Hyun Woo's best plan was to lie to Hae In and the rest of the family?
I think that if they would've shared the information with time, maybe someone would've realize that the best they could do is make videos or something with and for Hae In.
After waking up, showing her a video of herself, pictures of her and her family, of her childhood, of her wedding, all those things seem a little more smooth than expecting Hyun Woo to just appear in front of her and tell her "oh, I'm your husband. what's up".
If they took their time to think, maybe...
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tabong
April 22, 2024 at 1:35 PM
If they took their time to think, maybe they would've thought of going with her? I can't believe the first (only) person in front of her was Eun-BS. And of course, the first thing he said was also BS.
Anyway, I can't wait for next week. I hope she gets her memories back FAST. Like in the first half hour of episode 15, or something. Are the last two episodes going to be two hours long? If not, they really need to send Eun-trash to his container ASAP.
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jerrykuvira
April 22, 2024 at 2:38 PM
Ditto on your last 2 paragraphs.
That was the most logical thing to do. But I doubted if it'd even work. With Hae-in, it's a hit or miss. Most times, it's a miss. I understand to a great extent why the information was kept from her till they got to Germany. It's better to talk about it in Germany than in Korea.
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tabong
April 22, 2024 at 2:53 PM
I wonder if that's going to become a tradition for them.
Hyun Woo hides things from her and then takes her to Germany to confess. 😂 Jk.
I understand her family, and I forgive Hyun Woo and the dads for lying. The video call scene made me forgive them.
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jerrykuvira
April 22, 2024 at 3:05 PM
That video scene was the highlight of this week.
I'm too pissed at the writer but I'll confess that she got that part right.
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April 23, 2024 at 1:14 AM
😂 😂 😂 I can think of worse traditions than this, though hopefully what he "hides" next time isn't going to be quite so major.
I will say I'm glad to not have to spend the next two eps worrying if Hae-in is going to die, but she's not wrong when she says losing her memories will be the same as if she's died because they are what make her, her.
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tabong
April 23, 2024 at 1:45 AM
I don't think their secrets can get worse than divorce and amnesia. Well, I hope so. 😆
I felt a little bad that there was no one on her side about this discussion.
No one to talk about it, no one to listen to her. She only kept hearing everyone else. Even if Hyun Woo said "I understand", he always added the "but" next and kept telling her to have the surgery.
And then the show send her the ToD to make her see Hyun Woo all devastated and make her feel guilty enough to convince her. And after that there was no real time to process anything, the surgery was there...
But it's fine since we know she'll get her memories back. She's gonna be healthy and herself by the end of the show. I'm thankful for that.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
April 23, 2024 at 5:37 AM
Hyun-woo: "I have arranged for a lovely long weekend for us in Munich."
Hae-in: " Okay, what is it? Spill the beans, NOW!"
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tabong
April 23, 2024 at 11:42 AM
😂😂😂😂
Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 22, 2024 at 2:45 PM
I also really like Hae In's plans for the store, and secretary Na's confusion about her 180° turn from her previous statements!
I wondered about Hong mom not being more concerned with snake mom's appearance. But I was so glad she showed that snake mom was wrong, because she cares about the baby no matter his parentage. Hong mom has grown in compassion.
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tabong
April 22, 2024 at 2:57 PM
Yes! I liked that the mom having Da Hye's back, and showing that she cares for her grandson.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 1:33 AM
honestly, Hae-in's mother has been so stupid in previous weeks that I am not surprised she continues to be stupid and not immediately wonder why Mistress Snake is threatening the daughter-in-law. At least she's grown a bit as a person, telling off Mistress Snake and claiming the kid as her grandson.
Hae-in might have got her personality from her ma, but her brains come from her dad's side for sure, Beom-ja would never have failed to connect the dots like that.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 1:48 AM
the post-TOD scene!! It absolutely levelled me too, watching Hae-in's move from confusion and concern to "I can't do this to him" as she tries to console him..... I'm emotionally exhausted just thinking about it. You're right, you really can see it in her face that this is what decides it for her.
I'd agree this is Hae-in's week on the character development front, watching her move from black humour at Grandpa's funeral (and I did like the little detail of Hae-in now being the one to restrain Beom-ja from physically attacking Mistress Snake outside the house, which was what Hyun-woo was doing at the hospital when Grandpa first fell ill) to wanting to make the most of what remains to her, to having hope for her future before she finds out the terms, and then her whole struggle with that.
(but all the Eun-snake stuff has me very, very infuriated like PLEASE can we not undo all of this progress for Hae-in just to have her end up in the clutches of a sociopath who apparently no one including the doctors and nurses who are supposed to take care of her, can protect her from??)
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tabong
April 23, 2024 at 2:20 AM
Yes!! Her development was so beautiful.
We really need someone to throw Eun-trash on his recycling bin, ASAP.
It's gonna be extremely disturbing for her to get her memories back and realize she was at the mercy of that psycho, completely alone and defenseless. I wouldn't blame her if she develops trust issues or something.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 2:34 AM
my hope is that she recovers her memories on her own and is the one to end him, as she should be - this creep has been plaguing her since university?!
Which is like half a lifetime for her, and she's been going "NOPE not having it" every time he tries it, now we're at "brain damaged but still not having it".
The one thing I do like about that 'relationship' is that he's portrayed as a walking red flag even before we know he's a wrong'un, and glows ever brighter with every instance of being a creep.
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tabong
April 23, 2024 at 2:59 AM
Yeah, it's nice to see that for once, "I've been obsessed with you for my entire life", isn't a successful pick up line in kdramaland.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 3:07 AM
@enriquequierecagar - her entire reaction to being told of it was basically "Huh. Cool story bro." completely unimpressed 😂
tabong
April 23, 2024 at 11:41 AM
😂😂
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
April 23, 2024 at 5:41 AM
Memory loss and trust issues go hand in hand, since people are claiming things that you don't remember. People with dementia often end up - or have days - where they believe everybody are lying to them.
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ar_arguably romantic
April 24, 2024 at 4:19 PM
He is trash that can't be recycled! The worst kind of trash. I think that's what they called the real psychopath serial killer (played by Park Sung Hoon) in Psychopath Diary
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tabong
April 24, 2024 at 9:50 PM
But he was funny in that one! It was funny trash.
Here his character is so pathetic it's kinda sad. 😆
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 24, 2024 at 10:43 PM
I recognise that turn of phrase!! Good on k-netizens for coming up with it, really sums him up so well.
Also - while I'm still maddened by the drama giving him this absolutely illogical "I'm Hae-in's guardian now" win, I do appreciate the one thing QoT did right about Eun-쓰레기 in relation to Hae-in which is make it 100 percent crystal clear that despite his sad childhood story, history of abandonment and abuse, ~feelings~ for or obsession with Hae-in or whatever..... none of this changes the fact that he's a sociopathic creep who shouldn't be allowed within 100 metres of her and this is NOT one of those stories where an awful man deserves ~redemption~ because he's obsessed with a woman.
(and Hae-in's repeated, clear and unapologetic rejections just make it even clearer. Though it's annoying that she has to keep repeating herself because red flag Eun-snake will not take no for an answer)
ar_arguably romantic
April 25, 2024 at 6:00 PM
His character here is like the male version of the tiresome clingy, crazy 2nd female lead in other dramas.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
April 23, 2024 at 6:43 AM
It was obvious that Eun-soul-slurper would show up at the hospital, but I too hadn't expected the arrest.
But, taking into consideration that Eun-sick-people-abductor already kidnapped grandpa from a hospital, of course he would come here.
I, too, am annoyed that they didn't film her with them ... visual confirmation that she loved someone and they loved her (when all their petty quarrels was drowned in the prospect of actually losing her, at least) would be better than her journal, at least considering that the mint-condition mind of Hae-in may have a completely different handwriting and anyone could write a journal and tell her she wrote it.
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Disregarding the plot-holes:
This is the story of love, and Hyun-woo and Hae-in would fall in love again at any time, at any place. Why? Because they are the opposite of Eun-titled Eun-cel.
He says: "When you lose everything, and I am your only option, then you will love me".
But Hae-in and Hyun-woo have already fallen in love with each other as teenagers and as grown-ups, and if Hae-in loses all her memories, if all the pictures of their wedding and married life has been destroyed by the Eun-cinirator ... Hyun-woo will still love her, and she will still fall in love with him. (Who wouldn't, but that's beside the point here).
This is a story of a love that would happen anywhere and anywhen between these two people.
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tabong
April 23, 2024 at 11:40 AM
Their love is stronger than anything.
Even when she forgot her self, she didn't forgot how name.
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ar_arguably romantic
April 24, 2024 at 4:15 PM
When Hyun-woo was filming that video, I was thinking..."hey couldn't Eun-sung also film a video saying he's her real true love?"
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tabong
April 24, 2024 at 9:54 PM
Exactly! I hope that by the end of the video Hyun Woo took the camera and filmed her while she was sleeping or something.
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5 cherry 🍒
April 22, 2024 at 1:41 PM
Kim Soo Hyun and Kim Ji Won truly knocked it out of the park with their acting during a church scene. Seeing Hae In falling apart was gut-wrenching. I could feel their pain and desperation thanks to their powerful acting.
However, it’s sad that their superb performances were undermined by a nonsensical writing after that. I know it’s a fictional drama but for Christ’s sake if a family member is undergoing a life-saving surgery one would expect the whole family to be there?!!! It’s not like they’re poor and can’t afford to buy tickets for Germany. They own private islands but can’t afford few tickets and accommodation in Germany? This is just a lazy writing.
And how did Eun-Snake become Hae In’s guardian all of sudden? How can a hospital staff just let him enter her room without explaining anything? I don’t think I’m the only one who was very disappointed with this supposed plot twist that everyone saw coming from the miles away.
Now we have only two episodes left where Hyun Woo needs to woo Hae In all over again and also fight Eun Snake and Psycho Mistress. BTW did I miss something or it still hasn’t been revealed the reason why Psycho Mistress plotted the revenge for 20 years?
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Kathryn51
April 22, 2024 at 1:56 PM
Re: the guardianship. I'm wondering if Hae-in foolishly signed something back when he thought they were going to get married.
I am VERY disappointed that they didn't re-register their marriage before they took the trip. They had plenty of time between the moment she claimed to be on their honeymoon and their trip - but perhaps they were too busy (off-camera, much to @unit's regret) to bother with such trivial matters.
I call her Madwoman Moh and it's been THIRTY years she has been plotting it and no, we still don't know why and no matter how good this drama may be in terms of acting, direction, camera, etc, I will deduct one ⭐ from my rating if we don't get some decent explanations - not just her motivation but What Happened at the mysterious boat accident (I'm sure she's the culprit). I want to know the history more than I want to understand the hospital foolishness.
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jerrykuvira
April 22, 2024 at 2:46 PM
I'm more surprised by the hospital allowing him access into her room. They knew well enough that Hyun-woo is her husband. Even though he's being arrested, I don't think any reasonable hospital staff who saw the arrest and exchange and heard the conversations during the arrest would okay someone who their patient's husband clearly wasn't cordial with, and still go on to allow him into her room. Even if she's in need of medical care, I'm sure they had provisions for a caregiver. They could call the Hongs and ask them to arrange that.
There was a good amount of time between his arrest and her waking up. So what in the name of everything went wrong in the writer's head.
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cherry 🍒
April 23, 2024 at 4:14 AM
I think there were few glimpses of that smartness that Hyun Woo and Hae In supposedly own at the beginning of the drama. Since episode 8 they’ve been outsmarted and outmanoeuvred at every turn.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 24, 2024 at 10:48 PM
I would say it was actually a fairly even-handed fight until episode 12 - Hae-in got her own back at the press conference, Hyun-woo managed to talk his way out of being murdered.
what's more infuriating is the continued stupidity of the Hong family and especially Hae-in's mother- they're still letting Grace around them? Not immediately going on red alert on seeing Mistress Snake harassing Da-hye (her former co-conspirator)? Plus PLEASE why hasn't Queensville been gone over with a fine tooth comb for bugs?!
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 3:17 AM
I would assume not?! I mean, she collapsed and ended up in (Korean) hospital right after that and he couldn't get in to see her there or claim guardianship. It was Hae-in who called him to the hospital to deliver the "you're a creep and always were" speech.
also I can't imagine either Hyun-woo - a lawyer!- or Hae-in being so lax about a major detail like remaining legally married, right before a major surgery like that?
Eun-creep's face deserves some smacking with the business end of a doorknob for having the gall to ever refer to Hae-in as "his woman", he makes my skin crawl.
Agreed that I'd rather be unravelling Moh-Snake's 30 year web of lies, deceit and murder but good god the Hongs don't make it easy like wtf you idiots still let Grace around and tell her things?! About Hae-in?! And let Da-hye just sit on her butt without finding out her role in the entire operation? wtf. I know Soo-cheol is stupid and so is their mother, but how is Dad like that too?!
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Kathryn51
April 25, 2024 at 8:41 AM
I guess we will find out in a couple of days, but perhaps Eun Seong bribed a court official to obtain the guardianship. Apparently he had no trouble filing false charges against the family so that they couldn't travel.
In the land of Kdrama, money talks and he has lots of it.
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Doppelganger
April 22, 2024 at 2:10 PM
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tabong
April 22, 2024 at 2:18 PM
IKR? The people in the hospital just saw her husband get arrested, then a RANDOM dude appears like nothing and they're just like "yeah, wtv". At least her doctor will mention all of the things she and Hyun Woo had to go through in the last few months, right?
He literally talked EVERYTHING with Hyun Woo instead of her, so there's no way he isn't going to mention her how all of this was possible because of him.
Oh, no, wait, he probably will now talk with Eun-snake about that since doctors in kdramaland NEVER talk directly with their patients. *Sigh*
Oh, and psycho mistress apparently did all of this for her son. I don't think we can understand her (or ES) with our simple minds. They're just too weird and obsessed with each other. And entire family is suffering because they have some unresolved trauma/mom-son issues.
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jerrykuvira
April 22, 2024 at 2:57 PM
Hyun-woo is her husband, not a random stranger. And, she spoke to the doctor first. Hyun-woo took over correspondence at a point and it remained so. And he kept her in the loop on all the developments, save for this surgical complication and with good reason. At the end of the day, she choose for herself.
I won't be shocked if this doctor talks post-op with Eun-delulu. Clearly, he hasn't proven to be a mile close to our Korean doctor and administrator last week.
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tabong
April 22, 2024 at 3:08 PM
No, I mean that Eun-kidnapper is the random dude.
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Doppelganger
April 22, 2024 at 2:20 PM
It's not like they're poor and can't afford to buy tickets for Germany.
Not to mention that billionaires don't need to buy plane tickets. They have private jets on standby, or access to private jets.
I swear that none of these k-drama writers have ever once interacted with Korean chaebols that they like to write about so much. The way these chaebols are depicted in kdramas is divorced from reality.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
April 22, 2024 at 2:32 PM
‘The way these chaebols are depicted in kdramas is divorced from reality’. I loved it when Chaebol dad said the same thing and gave examples; live in doctors, cooks to manage high blood pressure and ways to avoid stressing the knees.
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tabong
April 22, 2024 at 3:10 PM
But it wasn't because of the money, right? They just didn't "thought" of it.
When they spoke with Eun-snake, they said they were going, so technically nothing was stopping then but themselves.
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bbstl 🧹
April 22, 2024 at 3:29 PM
I could accept an excuse that the Hongs may not have full legal access to the corporate jet but I can’t accept them sitting around so passively out in Yong Duri. What do they do all day? Why haven’t they hired an investigative detail to follow Eun Scum and his Mom’s every move? Why haven’t they developed moles from their old servants? This is a ridiculous detail but someone should have noticed a giant pallet of cash being moved out of the house and then into a bank vault 🤦🏼♀️ Seriously, the pile of money is much larger than the vault door, that took some work!
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GySgt213
April 22, 2024 at 5:36 PM
The plot holes have run a muck.
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EunSnakeAntiFan
April 23, 2024 at 3:58 PM
Plot holes? More like sink holes.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 2:53 AM
I doubt they'd even have the brains to check Queensville for bugs after it's spent months occupied by their sworn enemies.
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osmanthustea
April 22, 2024 at 11:17 PM
Yeah the fact that the parents did not fly to Germany was really weird for me. Even if chances of survival are good, wouldn't your immediate family want to be around regardless??
I didn't watch ep 14 (too nervous) but I think hospitals tend to be a bit lax about visitors (as long as it's not VIP) because it can be hard to control/keep tabs. But letting him be the guardian is a major WTF for a bureaucratic country like Germany.
And nope, we're still waiting with bated breath on why the revenge needs to be 20 years in the making. Sigh.
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MX
April 23, 2024 at 11:36 AM
oh making a mental note to be careful about cutting costs on senior care in another country. In mine you need to scan your identity card and know the ward number to get past the turnstile. Either the patient or next of kin would have given consent.
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GySgt213
April 23, 2024 at 4:52 PM
Someone pointed out that they may have been on the no fly list before they could even board. But, I don't think the timing is right for that. Anyway, there should have been a scene in my opinion where mom at least demanded or fought to go. Even if it was decided in the end that she shouldn't go.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
April 23, 2024 at 5:48 AM
I think hospitals often don't keep that kind of strict register on who comes and goes - I have never had to show ID to visit anybody - but that the Hong family did nothing to protect Hae-in is just crazy. They are the "rent an entire floor" kind of rich, so "letting Hae-in have two bodyguards beside her husband" as a minimum just seems ... and also, one would expect at least her father or her favourite aunt to come with her. And in normal families, her mother, but ...
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jillian
April 24, 2024 at 4:39 PM
Definitely the lazy writing is the weakest on ep14. Its all for the moment when delulu Eun-snake to takeover guardianship of a woman he is not related with in any way. I can't believe any hospital or police would allow that. Even if he may grease some palms along the way, there is no logical way he would get away with it.
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cherry 🍒
April 25, 2024 at 1:43 AM
Especially in Germany where bribery doesn’t work like that. In reality they would probably lock Eun-snake up for trying something so immoral and illegal.
I just can’t wrap my head around how nonsensical that whole sequence was.
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jillian
April 25, 2024 at 11:17 AM
So true it was absolutely nonsensical especially when the hospital staff knew Hyun Woo is the husband. Its a major fail in writernim's part. I sure hope the last two episode fares better.
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6 Kathryn51
April 22, 2024 at 1:49 PM
@unit, you are like the drama - hilarious quips intermingled with descriptions of BaekHong that break my heart all over again.
My main comment involves the scenes in the church. As someone of nominal faith, the scenes of BaekHong praying in church - during their honeymoon and now(separate or together) just wrung my heart. Maybe the writers will fool me, but I think both of their prayers will be answered: Hyun-woo's prayer for her life have been answered; her prayer was: "I won't ask you to save me, but please let me cherish these memories [of loving others and being loved) until my last breath." So, I'm crossing fingers that her prayer will also be answered and at least partially recovered memories, especially since we are facing this event not in the last 1/2 hour but with THREE hours remaining to sort it all out.😊
I love the corporate intrigue and I'm glad that Uncle Beom-seok will be returning and especially glad that my prediction came true that he would be working with Hyun-woo (they were on opposite sides of a lawsuit, apparently) to take down Madwoman and her son. At this point, I feel assured that happy endings are in place for all the families and Hyun Woo will meet out the proper poetic justice to the Villains . But. . .I still need some flashbacks and major explanations of what exactly happened in the past - the "mysterious" boat accident, how (and why)Moh got involved with the Hong family, why did she send Eun-seong to the USA (which was THE pivotal point in his young life). Without that insight, then they are nothing more than cardboard Villains.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 12:55 AM
I loved the church scenes too (interestingly, it brings me back to episode 1 when Hyun-woo tells Soo-cheol at the brother-in-laws' gathering that he's been Christian since birth, the Hongs presumably weren't since Soo-cheol says he just started practising? but we do see Hae-in wearing a cross pendant at another time so it looks like she might have picked it up too)
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7 Kafiyah Bello
April 22, 2024 at 1:49 PM
The end of episode 14 was a MESS, WHAT? LOL, my twin @eazel summed it up beautifully. That being said, amnesia is similar to death, so once again writernim got around her "impossible" scenario. I enjoyed episode 13 as well, even though I laughed, because at the end of the day QoT is a pretty soap opera and I love it, warts and all.
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8 marmari
April 22, 2024 at 1:53 PM
For me, there's something so inhuman and obscene about manipulating and exploiting someone at their weakest. Just watching those scenes this week left me shaking. Guess kudos to Park Sung Hoon.
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FormAnOrderlyQueue
April 22, 2024 at 5:20 PM
This. I already despised the man, but he managed to go a whole level lower with this. Abuse on every level. He has to go within minutes of ep15 and Hae-in has to be restoring her memory fast for me to feel remotely satisfied. If he gets to exploit her for too long, I will feel manipulated, writer-nim.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 25, 2024 at 3:37 AM
the only circumstance in which I would accept this not being the case is if Hae-in revisits her earlier MO - bides her time, conceals the return of her memories and proceeds to destroy Eun-snake definitively, once and for all when he doesn't see it coming.
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9 Samdong
April 22, 2024 at 1:57 PM
This might be an unpopular opinion but I really don't think we need to revisit baby 1031 story again at this point. What is the need to elaborate a painful past?
What we know is that they grieve differently and that caused a miscommunication in their relationship.
That being said, I am so done with Eunsung, and the ending of episode 14 does not make sense. I need that to be undo-ed at least by the first 20 mins of episode 15 or else I'm gonna riot
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 3:02 AM
I actually agree about 1031 - we know as much as we need to know about what that loss did to them as a couple, it doesn't really need more elaborating. I mean, it really could just be a miscarriage and doesn't have to be Mistress Snake poisoning Hae-in.
I want Hae-in's memories to make a speedy return too, I will vomit if she has to spend a whole episode being manipulated by that psychopath.
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Another kdrama addict
April 23, 2024 at 5:06 AM
I agree too that there really is no need to talk about 1031 anymore, unless it is somehow related to Ms Girlfriend's that caused the miscarriage (which I would balk becoz then it wud be just too much). I think the miscarriage story was to just show how it has affected them as a couple and how that was the original cause of them drifting apart, but also very pivotal 3 years later, because Hyun Woo was originally hellbent on hating his wife and getting out of the marriage until he found out her password is 1031 and that sort of gave him some pause.
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PYC
April 24, 2024 at 5:41 AM
Agreed - 1031 is the plot device for the couple drifting apart but also halting Hyun-Woo’s active pursuit of a divorce.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 25, 2024 at 3:34 AM
bingo.
and Hae-in's miscarriage really could just be a thing that happened to any couple, you know? The fact that it drove a wedge between them may partially thanks to her rather...unique family setup, but the event itself doesn't have to be the result of some plot by Mistress Snake poisoning her.
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10 Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 22, 2024 at 1:58 PM
Ep 13: This was the first QoT ep where my overall feeling was disappointment. It was rotten for Hae In's dad to ask Hyun Woo to hide information from her. And for Hyun Woo to accede. And even before that, why did the doc call Hyun Woo and not Hae In?! Hae In is an adult who can make her own decisions.
I did love the sweet moments of Hae In and Hyun Woo's time together. Hae In's new point of view and focus on being happy. And - finally! - living together away from their families. The newlyweds gossip, "first snow", taking couple photos, and holding hands. Hae In's three reveals. Did he truly believe there was a raccoon?! But I would have appreciated a little more time and a lot more passion when they first arrived at his apartment. Like CLOY, this writer does not let adults be adults.
While I'm glad the Hongs thanked the Baeks, and dad Hong told Hyun Woo that he trusted him, they have never apologized for how terribly they had treated him. Gee, we're sorry we didn't believe you when you were trying so hard to keep us from destroying ourselves.
Why didn't grandfather apologize to his daughter?! And why not share that he was poisoned with the game pieces?? Did they not even do an autopsy???
Ep 14 was better, but so predictable I was just waiting for each plot point to occur on screen. I knew Hae In's emotions would allow her to recognize that Eun-*#@&! is not the one she loves.
I did not know they have TODs in Germany too!! Geez are they international now?! I do think this one earned the best use of a TOD trope award, showing Hae In the effect of her death on Hyun Woo.
Big question: BABY???!!!! All of this open sharing but this major heartbreak is forgotten?? Baby? No heart to heart about their loss and moving into separate rooms?? Again, Baby??!
The Hongs may not be able to leave SK but mom Baek can. They should not leave their daughter alone anywhere near Eun Snake.
I saw the ending of 14 coming but it was still annoying. A unnecessary plot device to set up an unnecessary separation. Hyun Woo's attorney friends will jump into action and get him released on false imprisonment, and Hae In will not be fooled. Eun Snake has a history of attempting to imprison and fire Hyun Woo on false charges.
Eun Snake has the emotional IQ of a mud puddle. The rain and the dirt and everything and everyone is at fault except my own actions.
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 22, 2024 at 2:01 PM
Hopes:
A German nurse visits Hae In's room and shares a photo they took because he or she thought Hae In and her husband looked so sweet and peaceful cuddled up together.
Of course our ending will have bad guys in prison or dead and good guys happy healthy and together. The boating accident and baby stories had better be resolved.
The Hongs leave Queens Group to eldest brother, Hae In continues as CEO of the shopping center but balances her family and work worlds better, and the parents choose to live in a smaller house with a smaller business, perhaps in the Baeks' village. They've discovered they like it there and dad Hong never seemed very ambitious.
Soo Cheol punches Da Hye's ex and saves his little family.
Beom Ja stops talking long enough to let neighbor crush confess.
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GySgt213
April 22, 2024 at 5:34 PM
" And even before that, why did the doc call Hyun Woo and not Hae In?!"
Hyun-woo was the one asking around to all the hospitals for a cure, not Hae-in. Even her dad was asking around but Hyun-woo was the one that found this particular hospital.
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 22, 2024 at 6:37 PM
That makes sense then. I was thinking that this was the same hospital they had been to before in Germany. The doc was different but I still thought it was the same place.
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EunSnakeAntiFan
April 23, 2024 at 4:03 PM
It's like after episode 12 the little logic in there completely left the area.
At this point I feel very little motivation to continue besides the acting, and I wish this weren't the nth drama that crashed and burnt at the very end. I am even more scared that the already long episodes will get even more tediously longer/
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Samdong
April 24, 2024 at 8:25 AM
On Baby: I would like to suggest my point +others right above your comment - perhaps it really is just a plot device which made our couple drift apart and halt HW's divorce. But now that HW realise that HI is grieving the same way, and actually cares about him, everything is well again (at least in the 'love' department)
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11 Doppelganger
April 22, 2024 at 2:06 PM
The last two episodes were ridiculous (and not in a good way) and soured me on this entire show. Any argument that PJE is a good writer gets killed here and now. ChatGPT could've written a more cohesive two episodes than whatever this hot mess we got served was.
I don't mind kdrama tropes when they serve to move the story forwards, but PJE seems to just want to shove every trope in for the sake of having those tropes, which is lazy and inept storytelling 101. We got (another) truck of doom and amnesia this week.
The bad writing is casting a pall over whatever good acting KSH and KJW are delivering. Unlike those who squealed and cried over Baekhong scenes, I just feel exasperated whenever the two showed up onscreen this weekend (which was a lot of times). If every other scene is an angsty crying scene, it starts to feel contrived realllly quickly.
There is a lot of potential with the show's premise - a couple deeply in love with one another, who drifted apart after a tragedy and inability to communicate with and comfort one another. The initial episodes set up the story to explore these very real issues, and then the last few episodes curved sideways into makjang, chaebol in-fighting, psycho stalker territory.
On paper, the two villains are the most interesting characters in the whole drama, given their backstories and motivations. On screen is a whole other story - they're caricatures. It's a real shame because Park Sung-hoon and Lee Mi-sook are extremely capable actors that could've done a lot with Eun-song and Sul-hee if PJE wasn't so awful at characterization.
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EunSnakeAntiFan
April 23, 2024 at 4:06 PM
I think the problem lays partly with the fact that the episodes seem to be interminable. When you have so much screen time to fill in, you must throw in the kitchen sink at some point.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 6:41 PM
honestly this wasn't a problem at the start - the episodes were just as long but until episode 10, were paced so well that they just flew by.
Now they're just stalling for nothing, and pointlessly - the Hongs are still letting snake Grace visit them and mommy Hong is an idiot who actually tells her about Hae-in's surgery after knowing she's Team Snake and has collaborated with a man who tried to blackmail her daughter?! Da-hye just sitting around for three episodes now going "I'm going to repent for my sins...... but not by doing the ONE thing that could actually help the people I've wronged i.e. turn in the damn USB and help take down Team Snake or confess any of this whole 20 year scheme" (looks like Soo-cheol's stupidity was contagious but tbh she didn't come across as the sharpest tool in the shed even when she was scheming on Team Snake). Eun-snake allowed to become Hae-in's "guardian" in place of Hyun-woo on the basis of 'because I say so' by a German hospital?
And with more of this to come in episode 15 instead of even starting with the question of what led Moh-Snake to target the Hongs specifically and what is up with all these mysterious deaths and banishments in places where she's around??
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 6:56 PM
sorry, meant to type 'the earlier (up to ep 10) episodes were just as long' but it's true they really did just breeze past.
and even ep 14 wouldn't feel as irritatingly long if it hadn't been for Eun-snake getting an unwarranted about of time to gasbag on and all the Moh-Snake and Da-hye stuff (sorry but I have officially lost patience with her - she didn't come across as the brightest of the villain bunch but she's acting like she hasn't got two brain cells to rub together, just like Hae-in's ma).
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April 24, 2024 at 2:36 PM
I have not been bored one second of this drama.
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12 jerrykuvira
April 22, 2024 at 2:14 PM
I was all geared up for the finale week until the annoying cliffhanger ending at episode 14.
The writer gets points for hiding her hand and zero points adding another drama again.
Her memory loss is enough material to milk for another episode or two. To add Eun-delulu to the mix was just extra pudding that wasn't needed. More so, Eun-whatever is nowhere close to that sweet pudding.
I'm disappointed, honestly. I'm not all that geared up for the finale like I would have cause I can already tell what formula will play out next week, a formula I don't want to see take center place but will now have to. Between predicting how this cliffhanger will turn out and how the drama will turn out without this annoying episode 14 ending, I'd pick the one where episode 14 didn't conclude in that manner. I'm fine with that predictability if that's what they are trying to avoid.
Let the finale come so I can claim my bean. I do hope they give a better come back next week cause I'm left asking them just one question: Really? 🤷🏽🙎🏽🤦🏽♂️🙄😒😏🤨😕☹️🙅🏽... all the emojis available to convey my reactions.
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Kathryn51
April 22, 2024 at 3:07 PM
Eun Seong showing up at this moment makes perfect sense (as a plot twist/cliffhanger) IF - big IF - she recovers some or even many of her memories fairly quickly. Keeping ES at her hip for very long might have made sense back at Episode 10. . . . oh wait, they did play with that for all of 20 minutes or so.
Assuming that Hae-in the Woman has not changed, if nothing else I think she will be repelled by the same Eun Seong who couldn't stop "pushing those boundaries" that she didn't appreciate back at University. He just can't help being who he is and, memory or no memory, she is Hong Hae-in, a woman is will never be a pushover.
That's my hope because watching a full episode of her wondering about the husband/stalker that she can't remember just won't cut it.
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jerrykuvira
April 22, 2024 at 5:05 PM
There are way better use of screentime. This particular one feels like a precursor to finale fillers. I'll rather spend my hours in Yongduri than my minutes with Eun-seong parading in Germany.
There's Beom-ja and Yong-seong. There's Soo-cheol and Da-hye. There's the fight to take the company back. All those things can take front seat instead of passing comments and minute screentime.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 22, 2024 at 11:24 PM
Hae-in's Chekhov's Gun of a balsam-painted nail (which, obviously, is the one symbol of her love for Hyun-woo which can't be removed off her by the surgery) hints that her memories aren't totally gone, but I suspect we're still going to be in for a world of frustration in episode 15.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 22, 2024 at 11:32 PM
PS: It is deeply, DEEPLY frustrating to watch but I appreciate that Hae-in has been solidly consistent about two things from day 1 of this drama - her love for Hyun-woo, and the fact that she has absolutely no truck with any romantic overtures from Eun-substitute, with the drama making her rejection clear multiple times and NOT with some "I'm sorry I can't like you" wishy-washy nonsense - from "you're a manipulative creep so I cut you off and told you never to contact me again" to "no thanks, I don't want a substitute for my husband and certainly not you" to "bitch you thought??! here let me tell the whole world I'd rather die of a literal brain tumour than marry you" to "the sight of you makes me lose my appetite" to "cool childhood sob story bro, idgaf I'm not indulging your creepy fantasy" and even now, we're halfway to "my husband >>>> you, even when I have brain damage and can't remember you're a creepy stalker".
There's enough to be getting on with even without the fear of Hae-in's imminent death hanging over our heads, I really, REALLY wish the Hongs would do something already and start unravelling Moh-Snake and her thirty year plot (what about that mysterious boat accident that killed Hae-in's brother?? And elder abuse of Grandpa? Or the fake identity??) instead of bogging us down with Hyun-woo being in jail and the Hongs being trapped in Korea while Eun-skeeve somehow gets unfettered access to their daughter at a time no one from her actual family can be with her (the way my skin crawls at this thought...)
and I hope to god Hyun-woo made that divorce cancellation official the minute Hae-in said yes.
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Kathryn51
April 23, 2024 at 12:28 PM
With the return of Uncle Beom-seok, I think we are getting close to finding out what happened 30 years ago. That's been my theory since. . I guess Episode 6 or so.
Unfortunately, it sounds like the "divorce cancellation" involved registering their marriage again and apparently that did not happen? I supposed Koreans understand it all, but the different terms (withdraw divorce; cancel divorce; register marriage) are confusing to the rest of us.
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Gremlich
April 24, 2024 at 3:20 PM
If Hae in never filed the divorce papers.....
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 25, 2024 at 9:52 PM
at this rate, Uncle Beom-seok is the ONLY one of the Hongs/family besides Hyun-woo and Hae-in who's going to make themselves useful in any way to fight back against the snakes and their schemes while everyone else is just, what? proving his brain really is just a buffer for his skull (Soo-cheol, thanks Vincenzo), twiddling thumbs while sitting on evidence (Da-hye, please enough already idc about her) and letting the villains visit your hideaway without getting suspicious at all (mother, looks like even being usurped couldn't cure her of stupidity)?
Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 24, 2024 at 2:36 PM
Yeah the Hongs have really not made any effort here. No autopsy for grandfather? No investigating the house staff for who was in on the plot? No checking into the fact that Eun Snake had threatened their daughter? No investigation over said threat to imprison Hyun Woo on false allegations? And whaddya know, now Hyun Woo HAS been imprisoned on false charges, no one makes this obvious connection?? Frustration, yes. And I agree, memory or not no one is going to fool Hae In on who she loves.
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April 23, 2024 at 6:13 AM
It was obvious that he would be there. It played right into what he has wanted all along, always taking it to new levels of low.
"If you lose everything you have - really everything - don't you think you will love me then?" has been the chorus of his creepy song.
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13 Miss_elly
April 22, 2024 at 2:23 PM
These episodes broke me. Especially 14. Such a roller coaster of emotions. I wanted to reach into my tv and punch Eun -slimy bastard in the face. I was so angry for the set up and being beside her.
I agree with others aren’t their patient laws? Not any one should be able to rock up and claim guardianship
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14 Samdong
April 22, 2024 at 2:24 PM
I am in love with episode 13, which make episode 14 even more disappointing. I did not expect Eun to make that comeback since I did not expect Hyunwoo to be arrested, TF. That does not make sense at all. I thought I could have faith in police intelligence here at least in this K-drama.
I need him to be destroyed satisfyingly in the next episode.
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Samdong
April 22, 2024 at 2:27 PM
I would rather see them cry more, which serve the purpose of deepening their love, rather than Eunsung plot. He really needs to be done.
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GySgt213
April 22, 2024 at 5:25 PM
I have never had any trust and faith in K-drama police. They are often written as incompetent or corrupt. Ones that arrest actual victims on flimsy evidence fed to them on a platter but come up with all sorts of reasons why they can't arrest the actual criminal.
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15 Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
April 22, 2024 at 2:25 PM
Thanks @unit for a funny recap as per usual.
I loved this week’s episodes until I didn’t. I really get annoyed with the ten minutes before the credits wrap up in the final episode so I had hoped we would be over the Eunsung love line part of the story by now so we can get the other villain plot lines over with too. I so wanted there to be a recognition of who he was and for him to be called out as scum for trying to take advantage of a vulnerable person and he would be thrown out and look and feel like the trash he is. So I could not believe they actually went with THE most obvious storyline instead, so disappointing.
I loved the rebuilding of the love story but kept thinking since they were living on borrowed time they should be filming it and taking lots of pictures for the memory book and then get the operation asap in case she deteriorates to the point of no return.
The best scene for PPL on a par with Be Melodramatic was the office staff complaining about the cutbacks and one person complains they took the Yakult away because the employers don’t care about their workers’ gut health any more🤣.
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FormAnOrderlyQueue
April 22, 2024 at 6:14 PM
Yes, Yakult for the win here - that was hilarious!
Exactly my reaction. I just sat saying, "No, no, no, no, no" right through it. The hospital staff could (and should) have ended that story line right there with ES being arrested for stalking and manipulating a patient which would have been a) satisfying and b) leaving us free to anticipate ep15-16 enjoyably. As it is, now we're stressed about how long and how far ES is going to take his "revenge". Not happy.
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ar_arguably romantic
April 24, 2024 at 4:49 PM
The beginning of the series was great at flipping things around with the son-in-law playing the traditionally daughter-in-law role and having the ML be cute-drunk. Now that kdramas are airing internationally...I was hoping that hospital staff would come up to Eun-sung and be like "hey this isn't a kdrama hospital! GTFO!"
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FormAnOrderlyQueue
April 24, 2024 at 5:45 PM
Great call! That would have raised a cheer (or wry laugh) from SK as well as the rest of us. Alas for what could have been...
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
April 24, 2024 at 9:08 PM
There were so many options for making that smug look fade and have him fly out on the next plane. Whatever they do now to get him out will be a disappointment because the evil doers have outstayed their welcome.
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16 ellerbee
April 22, 2024 at 2:33 PM
This is the first KSH drama for me. I've seen KJW in other roles but this one is my favorite. I love these two together and I have never been so invested in two characters' Happily Ever After. Just when I think I can't cry anymore, something else happens.
I don't know what the medical laws are in Korea or Germany but all the flagrant patient confidentiality violations are not sitting well with me at all. The villainy at this point is so cartoony. Seul-hee is an evil mastermind capable of playing the long game but sends the Truck of Doom. Eun seong has this elaborate frame up of BHW but he can't possibly expect to maintain this web of lies about his relationship with HHI for long. ugh.
Side stories: Ever since the "Baby Shark" moment I am rooting for Soo-cheol all the way. I want to love Beom-ja abut I am not interested in her budding romance at all, or the building battle between BHW's siblings.
I was glad to see a scene back at the office because their respective secretaries and office staffs are hilarious. I want to see BHW's law school buddies save the day, and I hope the two guys from CLOY have some surveillance intel that will put all to right in the finale.
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Gremlich
April 24, 2024 at 3:21 PM
Watch "It's okay to not be okay" next.
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17 Mrs Buckwheat
April 22, 2024 at 2:56 PM
Thank you Unit for your fabulous "Delulu is really not the Eun-solulu here" recap.
While I really love the actors and the characters they are portraying, I find myself getting annoyed with the writers and plot after these episodes.
I'm relieved that there are only two more episodes to go as I am feeling extremely fatigued from being manipulated with constant tear jerking scenes.
I know, I know it's called Queen of Tears but there comes a point when there is no room to breathe, episode 14 was so oversaturated, going from one emotive scene to the next that they lose the full impact the scenes are meant to have.
The same thing happened with My Dearest in the latter half- continually dragging us through the angst, misery and pain and this feels eerily similar to what the writers of QOT are doing on an emotional level.
I don't need to be hit over the head continuously to understand what the show is trying to say, give the viewer some credit.
Sometimes less equals more.
One of my biggest peeves would be the Hae-in terminal illness/surgery plot arc. The show has kept building up the tension with numerous issues all for it to fall exceedingly flat. I have never known any patient (I'm a nurse, have worked in Neurosurg) to have neurosurgery and wake up looking like they could model for a hair commercial. Seriously, after all the drawn out heartache the show has put us through, it doesn't even look like she has had any surgery at all. The same thing happened with a main character in Impossible Heir but at least he got a sad looking dressing on his head which lucky for him could be removed a few scenes later. Every single hair on his head remained untouched, beautifully coiffed and he was literally up running around the community after having major surgery the next day albeit in his pjs but hey, that's how the leads roll in kdrama land. . This seemed like a strange plot point to not use to add depth to the show. Hae-in would go to ICU or HDU after surgery, she would be attached to multiple machines and wouldn't be sitting in a wheelchair gazing out the window.
It's frustrating the show focused on everyone keeping a 'secret', not telling her of the possibility of memory loss to provoke more emotion when this is highly unrealistic. She would've had to have a conversation with the doctor in Germany who was accepting her into his care (not her husband alone speaking with the doctor) before leaving Korea who would explain the possible consequences of surgery. More than likely her specialist team in Korea would liaise with the doctor in Germany, do work up for the procedure and explain everything. No doctor would arrange anything without speaking with the actual patient, getting consent and despite Hae-In's few random moments of memory loss she has been highly functioning in these episodes for someone who only had 3 months to live. After spending fourteen episodes showing us Hae-in's strong, bulldozer-like personality, expecting me...
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Mrs Buckwheat
April 22, 2024 at 6:07 PM
expecting me to gloss over this is disappointing.
Eun-seong wouldn't just be able to strut around the hospital with access to Hae-in and I've never seen a screen which has patient details of where they are- re surgery or recovery- in an area that can be accessed or seen by the public as this is a breach of patient confidentiality/safety.
I understand this is a tv show and I have to take things with a grain of salt but so many things related to this are really stretching disbelief and I feel undermines the drama in the drama show.
Also, how can the miscarriage not be addressed (the starting point of the breakdown of their marriage) at this late stage when they have reconciled ?
Hats off to all the actors as they continue to be fabulous.
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bbstl 🧹
April 22, 2024 at 7:01 PM
THIS. ALL OF THIS! 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️ it’s insulting to anyone who’s ever had even a minor procedure, thanks for weighing in w some facts. Beanies, in the real world you will not look like this after even a bunionectomy, much less brain surgery 🤪
I had a rant after #13 that must be keeping yours company in db space, so I’ll presume to continue your comment along the same lines: …expecting me to think that Hae In would not have been completely involved in her treatment is laughably out of character. She is a detail-obsessed control freak but now her genetic Hong passivity comes out? OY I don’t think so.
And btw, Happy Passover to all!
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April 23, 2024 at 2:15 AM
In an episode that had a German hospital just letting some random unrelated dude into a patient's room after a major surgery because he....says he's her "guardian"? Hae-in's perfect hair after a brain surgery is the least of my concerns.
(I can actually let it go as Rule no. 1 of the Hallyu Drama Rulebook i.e. everyone has to look perfect at all times)
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MX
April 23, 2024 at 11:52 AM
For one, I think part of her scalp will be shaved? Just a recent surgery in the family fortunately a-ok!
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Mrs Buckwheat
April 23, 2024 at 4:50 PM
Yes, half the head pretty much.
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Neolttwigi
April 23, 2024 at 9:02 PM
It is ultrasound, so IRL they would not have shaved all her hair... but part of it so they could put texta marks or tattoos on her skull so they know where to aim the machine.
And/or used an MRI during surgery ( which that room didnt have).
But of course, its a drama and the cure is a fantasy anyway.
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Gremlich
April 24, 2024 at 3:24 PM
The magical surgical "technique" used is non-invasive - purported to be ultrasound-based. And it's an actual technique: "MRI Guided Focused Ultrasound Surgery"
https://stanfordhealthcare.org/medical-treatments/m/mr-guided-focused-ultrasound.html
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Neolttwigi
April 24, 2024 at 5:08 PM
Its an actual technique. But that technique is not a cure for the tumors HI has
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vienibenmio
April 22, 2024 at 8:27 PM
Totally agree, this is ludicrous from a medical perspective. Even Autumn's Concerto shaved the male lead's head when he had brain surgery. But the Eun-sung development is just sooooo fake. There's suspension of disbelief and then there's bad writing
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ano nimus
April 23, 2024 at 6:22 AM
From the call to HW on episode 13 it was said to be a special procedure using ultra sound so we can assume that HI was not operated on (like opening her head) so that can explain why she doesnt need to bald after the operation. Dont think its possible IRL but this is fiction.
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Mrs Buckwheat
April 23, 2024 at 4:46 PM
This is just taking the piss level now of ridiculousness and as vienbenmio said ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous to be cured of cancer.
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Kodra aka Qanon something
April 23, 2024 at 8:35 PM
There are many studies going on right now with this procedure but from a quick reading it is not a treatment, it used to open the blood-brain barrier so that the medication will get to the target more efficiently. So writer-nim got the hair right because it is non-invasive and it is not surgical. The other issue, about how effective is and if she will be completely cured, it's up in the air in my opinion.
But that is not the main concern with this drama, we are all seasoned watchers and have seen this before. I personally didn't like the beginning and I have come back to those feeling last weekend when I sensed that she is going after, at least for one time but we will have to see, The Notebook plot. And that probably I could have accepted if she did not force the Eun-sicko into it and the arrest of HW. That, as many beanies wrote, is impossible to believe and it is a shame because it didn't need it. It would have been still beautiful to have the re-falling in love with him without the whole circus after the evil duo went to jail. Even if the mom kills the son by mistake while trying to kill HI would not satisfy me at this point, although that is what I think this story needs.
Should have stuck with my intuition but I liked the actors to much. I couldn't even watch 14 after seeing the highlights on Twitter.
An article that details the ultrasound procedure and a list with many trials going on at this time. There is one right in Seol, SK so I don't see why she had to go to Germany.
https://www.fusfoundation.org/diseases-and-conditions/brain-tumors-glioma-and-metastatic/
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Gremlich
April 24, 2024 at 3:25 PM
https://stanfordhealthcare.org/medical-treatments/m/mr-guided-focused-ultrasound.html
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tulegit
April 23, 2024 at 9:02 AM
The operation was ultrasound which is non surgical. I've see this gripe everywhere regarding her hair. The show made it confusing because they kept referring to it as "surgery" which is just lazy writing to create added drama. Of all the non sensical things that are going on, her full beautiful hair is not to be criticized lol
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MX
April 23, 2024 at 11:54 AM
we need to hire the hospital's stylist. That person needs a raise rofl!
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bbstl 🧹
April 23, 2024 at 4:56 PM
Yes, I want her for my next surgery so they don’t stuff my hair into a shower cap, too!
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 24, 2024 at 11:26 PM
going to have to check whether the actual spoken word was "surgery" or something else more accurate - Netflix English subtitles for non-English shows are notorious for inaccuracies (not just for Korean shows) and in this particular drama the subtitle mistakes have ranged from the minor to the borderline heinous (making Hae-in and Eun-snake exes by saying they "broke up" when the drama makes it clear they never actually dated or were romantically involved in any way aside from his delusions)
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18 Mrs Buckwheat
April 22, 2024 at 3:24 PM
Comment lost in db space. Apologies if it then turns up repeated :)
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19 Aunt Tim
April 22, 2024 at 3:52 PM
This week's ending was more somber than usual. Kinda bummed that they didn't even give a twist to get us more excited, like Hyun-woo actually predicting that he will be framed for the murder since he already found out about it, but it happened at the worst moment possible and probably has a contingency plan for it. But I love how some of our couple's subplots have closure between them. (The MP3 player, Yeong-suk, The guy on the bus, and Hae-in's savior, the Four Leaf Clover dude!) Even the snail Daddy Hong has got a happy ending. But at least we can finally put the "Will Hae-in survive?" situation to rest.
I had to speed up to 1.5x when the memories were burning away up to Hae-in waking up to Eun-single's gaslighting. As if the truck of doom attempt hasn't given me enough anxiety 🫤 I do want to see his reaction when he founds out Mistress ordered to kill Hae-in though.
And Soo-cheol's definitely NOT dying because he's in the courtroom BTS pics that Kim Jung-nan (Beom-ja) posted on IG before. PD Kim wouldn't dare to kill off another Kwak Dong-yeon character😇
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20 GySgt213
April 22, 2024 at 5:00 PM
What mom would not want to be with her daughter during a lifesaving surgery, especially one who is just recently reconciling with her daughter after years of neglect? Even if it was decided Mom would not go in the end at least a scene with her putting up a fuss about going would have made more sense than what we got.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
April 23, 2024 at 6:52 AM
When it comes to Hae-in's mother, she has been acting horrible for ten years, so I wouldn't expect her to fit in with typical mother tropes.
But yes, no one gets why Hyun-woo would be going there alone with Hae-in. of course at least half her family would be going with her, and why not just everybody?
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21 GySgt213
April 22, 2024 at 5:16 PM
So the villans can do anything they want without regard to rules and regulations, but the Hongs have to go to court if they want to fight back. But, they never ever friggin go to court even when they have legit reasons to do so.
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bbstl 🧹
April 22, 2024 at 7:04 PM
All the brains and the drive in that family went from Grandpa to Hae In, it appears. 🤷♀️
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22 loveblossom🌸
April 22, 2024 at 6:05 PM
LOL this line is fabulous. Thanks for the recap @Unit!
Yup, these episodes were saved by BaekHong's heartbreaking scenes. Compelling displays of love and anguish. Should have had some passionate kisses and making up! Prime opportunity was when they were alone in their newlywed apartment.
Hae In had some good lines. The few bits of dark humor made me chuckle. I was also touched by her scene with her mother. It was good that they talked one-on-one and admitted that their relationship can't change suddenly, but both are willing to work on it. I liked seeing Hae In becoming optimistic and wanting to improve the mall in a positive way.
I groaned at the filler scenes. I don't care about Mi Sun's issue about her husband and son aboard. I didn't even know she had a husband.
Da Hye irked me with her attempt to abandon Soo Cheol again! I tried to be understanding that old habits die hard and she wanted to protect him, but that wasn't the right way. And I wish Soo Cheol got mad at her.
I hope we get less boring business stuff in the finale.
Even Eun Seong's defeat should be short and sweet. He looked and acted the part of a villain well, but his evil actions and traps weren't interesting.
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23 nna22
April 22, 2024 at 6:13 PM
I have some complaint about the plot that being too slow after episode 8, until ep 14 we doesn't solve conflict the queen problem and our duo villain. Too much dragging without some spesific result and HW being murderer ? Oh.. god why this plot is choices ?
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in another hand, I too much amazed with acting our OTP, How can you two just torn up my heart in the whole episode 14 ? so painfull when HW cried as loud in hospital...and for HI, I cried when she make VC with the whole family, Oh... just tearful ...
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24 OldLawyer
April 22, 2024 at 6:20 PM
So many good points made here by Unit as we see the makjang ramped up past any point of believability. How would our Evil Mistress have arranged to get Hyunwoo's fingerprints on the knife blade of a murder she had only just decided to commit? Unit was right about hospital rules regarding guardians: Might I be allowed to add some frosting to that cake? This is a German hospital, and Germans follow the rules- and they would definitely have a rule for this. But, above all, how could Eunsong have all of these things so precisely coordinated as to arrange to be there at the magical moment as Hyun-woo is being carted off or to have Hyun-woo carted off at that exact moment? From personal professional experience with the Justice Ministry of the Federal Republic of Germany I can assure that they are competent, professional and cooperative- but they are not going to be dancing to his tune and BTW Germany is a Federation, which means that the folks in Berlin would have to involve the local State authorities in order to arrange for police to show up to make the arrest. The timing involved would be impossible- remember that the links in the chain for that arrest would be Korean Prosecutor's Office to Federal Justice Ministry to local State authority. There are actually three separate jurisdictions involved- and not a single one of them is under Eunsong's control.
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 22, 2024 at 6:50 PM
Yeah that timing was definitely Kdrama land not reality. The knife though I could understand; they had talked about the land guy being missing for several days, and Hyun Woo having lived in that house it's possible (not probable but possible) to have lifted his prints off of something in his room.
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bbstl 🧹
April 22, 2024 at 7:13 PM
Thank you! Love the detail!
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 22, 2024 at 11:05 PM
It's a kdrama so I suspend disbelief on things like timing and exact details of medical and legal stuff (I will never forget I Hear Your Voice having an attorney change her arguments in the middle of the trial).
So I can let that go, but it's the I'm-her-guardian-now that REALLY irks me. And it irks me even more since in episode 9 the drama made a point of showing Hae-in's Korean doctor (Park Jin-kook, bless him) honour his patient confidentiality oath and refuse to tell Eun-substitute anything about her illness because he wasn't family or a guardian, but now they expect us to believe her German hospital is just letting some random dude - who's in no way legally related to her - hang out in her hospital room because he says he's her guardian? Where are her doctors? nurses? anyone? WTF!!!
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OldLawyer
April 22, 2024 at 11:29 PM
As I pointed out- a German hospital would be the last place to try to pull such a stunt- there is no way for it to work.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 12:41 AM
That's what I thought too, but it feels especially annoying because we'd just seen her Korean hospital foil his plans by simply doing their job.
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bbstl 🧹
April 23, 2024 at 9:08 AM
And we all threw confetti that there was finally a Korean doctor who paid attention to patient privacy! 😆
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 10:28 AM
bless Dr Park Jin-kook! (his name is on his coat)
Scottie
April 23, 2024 at 5:06 AM
The German police had BKA written on their uniforms which stands for the Federal Police - Bundeskriminalamt. Berlin is its 'own' state and would have this police right there, I think the writer got this right. They would be the police to carry out an international warrant, but I am sure this is not a quick process and requires a certain amount of paper work!
The hospital procedure is not believable, even a Korean claiming to be the guardian of patient who is also Korean would have to show some proof of guardianship! The dramatic license goes too far here which also spoils the credibility of the narrative. There are lines writers should be cautious to cross.
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OldLawyer
April 23, 2024 at 7:29 AM
I did not catch that "BKA" detail.
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25 FormAnOrderlyQueue
April 22, 2024 at 6:26 PM
Thanks for your great recap @unit! I love re-living the episodes here.
Agree with the (apparently) general consensus that ep14 went too far with Eun-snake's revenge. Not a fan of this. I also am finding myself increasingly immune to the big emotion scenes in this drama because we've simply been exposed to sooooo many of them. They are (sadly) beginning to lose their impact.
That said, I still want to give a shout out to KSH's acting. I love the way he breaks down emotions into milliseconds - what would be felt first, second, third and so on until you have a journey through someone's feelings. Lots of love for his scene with the car, but I actually admired the scene in the hospital after Hae-in went in for surgery more. We got the concern and the worry as she entered, the loss as the door closed, the panic building with the increasingly deeper breaths, the overwhelmed and frightened as he started to cry, the weight of what was happening as he slid down the door to crouch in the foetal position. It is so mesmerising to see someone act so well and to make us believe and feel with him. Top class!
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 22, 2024 at 6:52 PM
Yes KSH is amazing at realistically acting emotional scenes.
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Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
April 22, 2024 at 10:46 PM
This has been my absolute favourite scene in all 14 eps so far. KSH just nailed the quiet desperation, the hopelessness, just all the burgeoning feelings washing over him... it was just fantastic. I held my breath for it's entirety, and I went back to rewatch it almost immediately.
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26 Alluvial_Fan
April 22, 2024 at 7:16 PM
Sending a life line out to all my respected Beanies. It is makjang. You have been played. So sorry. Watch SHOGUN.
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bbstl 🧹
April 22, 2024 at 7:28 PM
Omg, you just scared the life out of me, I thought it was Tuesday and I was late ! 😂 🪭🪭🪭
Indeed we have been played, glad I had Shogun going at the same time to keep me on the level 😬
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Mrs Buckwheat
April 22, 2024 at 7:46 PM
What's sad is the writer didn't need to go makjang at all to keep everyone watching.
The writers are slightly deluded in thinking that it is their crazy makjang keeping people invested and not giving enough credit where it's due to the actors who are keeping this ship still floating.
When you have leads of this calibre just let them perform their craft. Sometimes it's the simple, stripped back scenes even without any dialogue that shine.
I would happily watch this cast tell the story of a broken marriage being rekindled with a few funny family moments thrown in for 16 episodes.
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 24, 2024 at 2:50 PM
Exactly, how wonderful it would have been if they kept it to a simple story of our OTP drawing close and re-discovering one another, healing physically and emotionally. With a smaller portion of the villains meeting their consequences.
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vienibenmio
April 22, 2024 at 8:35 PM
Haha, I do watch Shogun! But the romance is tragic 😥
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Alluvial_Fan
April 24, 2024 at 6:00 PM
So the patriarchy sent a woman into a sacrifice. Where have I heard this before?
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27 jillian
April 22, 2024 at 7:40 PM
I have shed more tears this week. Kim Ji Won and Kim Soo Hyun are still amazing as they portray the various emotions of Hong Hae In and Baek Hyun Woo.
While Eun-bastard is getting annoying since he has not learned anything after the multiple rejections.
I was about to hate Da Hye as she was about to leave Soo Cheol again. Good thing Soo Cheol knows how to tug at her heartstrings and plead for her good senses to win over. Soo Cheol is so pathetically adorable waiting for her at the Lost and Found center.
Fantasy and makjang win supreme this week. I have high hopes for Baek Hong couple next week!
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 12:06 AM
I must admit, watching Hae-in repeatedly and brutally reject Eun-snake is the only satisfying part of any of his interactions with anyone in this drama (other than Hyun-woo's fist in episode 11), even better when you realise she's been doing it since before she and Hyun-woo even got together.
from "you're a manipulative creep who I cut off back in the day but I'll say we're good for business purposes" to "that guy isn't like you, he actually cares for me" to "I don't want anything you have to offer and you have some audacity thinking you can take my husband's place even if we're divorced" to the ultimate verbal rug pull in episode 10 of "I prefer my brain tumour to you", to "the sight of you caused me to lose my appetite" (even better because she'd actually said she was hungry when she thought he was Hyun-woo) followed by complete indifference to his childhood sob story and now we're on the way to "I may have brain damage but still prefer Baek Hyun-woo to you" I hope he seethes a lot next ep because I'm tired of Eun-creep getting so many easy wins.
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jillian
April 23, 2024 at 12:22 AM
Yes to all of those. Hae In has been very clear feom the start she has no interest in him. She only wants Hyun Woo.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 12:38 AM
Their prior acquaintance (and her rejection/cutting him off back in the day specifically for being a creep) goes one better than that and makes it clear she wouldn't have him even if Hyun-woo wasn't in the picture - and then reiterates it post-divorce.
I love that about her, she's a woman who knows her own mind (until now 😥)
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April 23, 2024 at 6:58 AM
She may not really know her own mind now, but it is obvious she still has it, somewhere in there in the white fog.
Hyun-woo said she would fall in love with him again, he would make her.
And I am sure it will.
I only wonder if he has to lose his mind, too, so that they meet in a blank space of no past and fall again, just to prove the transcendence of their love.
28 pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 22, 2024 at 7:47 PM
I can almost forgive these two episodes' tip over into makjang in exchange for all the BaekHong scenes (@mazarin I think we finally have our answer to whether Hyun-woo actually knew it was Hae-in who dropped that mp3 on the playground and it turns out he really is THAT dense, when she asks how on earth he got into Seoul U. I fully understood why, lol). The dyeing-with-balsam nails turned out to be a good Chekhov's gun example too - wasn't expecting it to be Hae-in's only physical link to the memory of Hyun-woo which couldn't be removed for her surgery, but it works and I hope it does soon because I don't like seeing Hae-in so helpless and vulnerable. But the scene with Hyun-woo getting jealous over Hae-in dyeing her nails so her 'first love' comes true.....lol. "hey you even accepted my ring, you can't have Mr First Love now!!" (watch her. lol.)
but seriously AAAAAGH I want to reach through the screen and throttle Eun-should-be-in-jail- with my bare hands!! They better make up for it next week, if Mistress Snake and Eun-slimy-bastard with some proper comeuppance. And can Da-hye please make herself useful already, turn that USB in to someone who can actually use it to unravel the villains, what are you just sitting on it for if you made all the effort to steal it?! Enough with it already, I'm going to come back and seethe more later.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 22, 2024 at 7:49 PM
P.S. When I said last week that I wanted to see the OG wedding rings back on BaekHong I meant on BOTH of them, not just Hyun-woo!
Still happy to see the return of one out of two even if Hae-in's Serpenti wedding ring needs to make an appearance too. There's more emotional significance attached to it vs the new ring imo.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 22, 2024 at 10:54 PM
conted (3) re: BaekHong's teenage mp3 player connection being finally brought to the attention of both parties, I actually don't mind the whole "childhood connection" trope in this drama because as Hae-in repeatedly makes clear, she puts no stock in it either - she does not give one flying fig about Eun-slap-him-already's childhood obsession with her - unless it's specifically connected to Hyun-woo. She's happy to have a cute anecdote about their meeting in high school but that's it, which is quite refreshing (and lol @ Hyun-woo getting super offended by the idea that she ever had any 'destiny' with Eun-snake).
That said, the visual of her memories burning away to nothing, was really sad - and maddening. knowing what was waiting for her at the other end. I don't enjoy amnesia tropes but I guess this was what I've read Korean drama viewers refer to as 'eating sweet potatoes' week i.e. the frustrating parts of a drama, with more to come because of course we have to head into finale week on high tension with Hyun-woo in jail and Hae-in helpless and in the hands of that lying sociopath.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 3:22 AM
Note re: subtitles this week: Mistress Snake telling Eun-snake that she's not above offing Hae-in if she gets in the way of giving her snake son 'everything', English subtitle says something to the effect of watching him get betrayed by "the love of his life".
while I wouldn't disagree with that as a matter of interpretation, the actual word used in Korean was 목표 and the literal translation of the words used by Mistress Snake to refer to Hae-in in that instance is more like "the woman who is your life's goal" which I think is more in line with how Eun-send-him-to-jail-already sees Hae-in i.e. as a shiny human tropy and object of his obsession, not a person in her own right.
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 24, 2024 at 2:54 PM
Thanks for clarifying!
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 3:50 AM
P.P.S. we now have behind the scenes footage confirming that Hyun-woo's actual collapse on seeing Hae-in post-TOD car crash, was Kim Soo-hyun's idea - he asked Kim Ji-won if she'd be comfortable with him collapsing and kneeling beside her and she said yes, which is how we have the scene that absolutely gutted us all.
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 24, 2024 at 2:56 PM
KSH apparently had a number of ad libs in this drama. I don't know if he's always done that but the ones he's done recently are gold.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 24, 2024 at 11:16 PM
he seems to have an instinct for finding exactly the line/gesture that would be the cherry on top of a scene, the "she doesn't hit me" punchline to Hae-in smacking Soo-cheol at dinner in episode 9 was also something he came up with. The scene was already funny but he made it even funnier, same with enhancing the tug at the heartstrings here.
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 25, 2024 at 6:51 PM
Yeah "she doesn't hit me" was super, both the line and his delivery. I saw the BTS for this one and they all burst out laughing!
Neolttwigi
April 23, 2024 at 5:39 AM
Yes, I Cannot Understand why he was so dense. He is a competent lawyer, and he has plans and foresight on the business side, but then suddenly he is incapable of lateral thinking or looking under the surface of events in his personal life?
And its not just going emotional whenever HI is concerned. We are told about how much effort he put into looking for HI's treatment, for example. He is very capable of being logical even when she is involved as well.
His character's personality being so internally inconsistent is really jarring and is taking me out of the story. There are many things- HI, bad guys plots, etc I keep thinking " oh of course he will realise" and then he doesn't.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 6:06 AM
I don't see it as an inconsistency, it's actually an established character pattern with Hyun-woo - logical and incredibly observant when it comes to work or anything that resembles a task (including taking down Eun-snake or helping Hae-in)...... but the slow child in class when it comes to emotions or details that don't have to do with work directly.
Exhibit A: intern Hae-in having to verbally push him to realise why it bothers him that she gets yelled at by the boss --------> '30 cows' marriage proposal when he does realise
Exhibit B: whatever failures of observation led him to believe Intern Hae-in was.....poor. lol.
Exhibit C: "how did she guess it belonged to a girl??" love him but it's not exactly hard to tell that a pink mp3 player likely belonged to a girl lol
Exhibit D: not realising, early on, that his discomfort with Eun-snake being around Hae-in = JEALOUSY i.e. Mr Seoul National University Lawyer you still have feelings for the wife you claim to hate and wish dead! I understand he's lying to himself because of the hurt but he's firmly in denial until the 1031 pass code reveal and continues to keep one foot in denial land until Germany mk. I.
Exhibit E: can't connect the dots between his wife's 'bus man' first love whom she went out of her way to follow and her detailed knowledge of his bus route which she..... went out of her way to follow when they first met.
I could continue but I don't hold the not recognising Hae-in as the owner of the mp3 player against him since neither of them recognised the other - and this episode confirmed they didn't read each other's name tags - but it's not inconsistent, is what I'm saying.
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Neolttwigi
April 23, 2024 at 6:54 AM
I hear you, but it just doesn't work for me. For me, It's a huge blind spot that does not make sense. The people I know that have trouble reading peoples thoughts and motivations have trouble across the board- and I just don't see that with HW. Look at how he has been giving people flowers/condolence money and saying its from HI. That does not read as someone who has difficulty with emotions. (It could be- if it had been played as a logical task HW did because his parents told him it was polite or some such thing- but KSH is just too good at looking empathic onscreen, so he would have to make an effort to look wooden)
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 8:19 AM
It's not empathy towards others that Hyun-woo has trouble with, it's his own private emotions.
He has no trouble being a decent boss, understanding why it's a good thing to send flowers to employees in Hae-in's name or comforting Soo-cheol when he breaks down in guilt and grief over his noona being sick, but when it comes to his own (conflicted) feelings about Hae-in at the start of the drama, he's not quite there yet.
Think of it as the gap between intern Hyun-woo taking it on himself to warn intern Hae-in that she's got a bad attitude and will get fired from her job because his conscious thought is that he empathises with a fellow intern and is looking out for her + "it bothers me to see you get yelled at" but not quite putting two and two together about why it bothers him and why he's worried about her, until she pushes him to realise it.
Neolttwigi
April 23, 2024 at 6:16 PM
I'm sure you are correct- but it still doesn't work for me. It's probably just my own failing to understand, but it just doesn't gel as a consistent character for me
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 24, 2024 at 3:19 AM
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree there, because if anything this is a pattern shown from episode 1, imo in that sense it's been quite consistent. But the divorce closed the gap because he's no longer lying to himself about his feelings, even if he does remain a little thick on minor observational details concerning women's clothes and accessories (including that mp3 player).
Neolttwigi
April 24, 2024 at 4:00 AM
How does his crush on high school HI fit into your theory? He saw her once then searched the school for her, on the basis of his feelings. So he was aware of his feelings then.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 24, 2024 at 5:43 AM
apples and oranges, imo. A high school crush on a pretty girl based on a momentary interaction when he actually sees her vulnerable despite her unfriendly personality, doesn't preclude being drawn to that same girl years later without recognising her* - and correspondingly, without recognising his real feelings at first- when her personality remains unchanged but her vulnerablity isn't as immediately apparent as it was on the playground. Also has nothing to do with him being detail-oriented in his work, though it does establish that he doesn't seem to be great at 'reading' women's fashion/accessories (not an unusual characteristic in straight men, I must say).
*(this is not unrealistic at all, based on personal experience - changes in hair, makeup and simply being out of uniform will do a LOT)
Neolttwigi
April 24, 2024 at 5:52 AM
Ha. You don't need to convince me on that one. I've known men who were unable to identify makeup. On heavily made up women. Made for some painful/funny/painfully funny conversations
29 SooHa
April 22, 2024 at 7:53 PM
Kim Soo Hyun is the most paid actor for a reason. As you mention and I agree without, Kim Soo Hyun and Kim Ji Won acting is the one that save this makjang kind of drama.
We only have 2 remain episodes but the drama throw us the amnesia arc and how the drama will solve all the problem is beyond my imagination
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30 AlwaysMerry
April 22, 2024 at 8:23 PM
Hilarious, Unit! Thanks for the recap. If BaekHong did not deliver the kisses but the tears, their 'rent-due' (love this) acting sure did. Looking forward to its conclusion. Hope it doesn't disappoint. No other expectations.
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31 vienibenmio
April 22, 2024 at 8:40 PM
I'm exhausted. This show is starting to just feel maudlin. I'm hanging in there for the romance, including the side couples, and seeing the villains get their comeuppance
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 24, 2024 at 11:09 PM
It's definitely spinning its wheels in episode 14 which wouldn't be so irritating if the last parts of ep 14 weren't so utterly ridiculous (that 'guardianship', please!!!)
I want Hae-in to foil Eun-snake yet again and Beom-ja to get her Yongdu-ri Leslie Cheung but I've lost patience with Da-hye and just want her to hand over the damn USB already.
It's been goguma week for this drama, they better deliverthe cider next week. (I swear if they continue with this nonsense for most or all of episode 15 my comments on the next recap are mostly going to be indecipherable swearing as I try to keep my blood pressure down)
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32 Easy8
April 22, 2024 at 8:46 PM
Although I acknowledge the plot holes and other issues, I just accept it all as part of watching dramas. With each episode being 90 minutes, the writer has the Herculean task of essentially writing a 24 episode drama, or a 24 hour movie. I accept all the imperfections because the good parts are just too good! When watching dramas, I just imagine myself as a sea otter happily lying on my back, munching on some food, and just letting the river (drama) take me wherever it wants to go.
My favorite development in these episodes: Hae-in has lived her entire life showing a strong, almost icy and unfeeling exterior - not wanting to show any weakness or vulnerabilities. She finally starts tearing down her walls in these episodes, especially the scene where she talks to Hyun-woo as she is wheeled into surgery. "You won't go anywhere, right? You won't leave me, right? What if mistreat you? I want you to be the first person I see when I wake up." And then she clutches her gown tightly as she is wheeled away, fully vulnerable.
That makes the ending all the more gut wrenching. It's the first snow. He's looking out the window longingly from his jail cell, not there by her side. She's looking out her hospital window, sensing something is wrong.
And then we come to the epilogue. For the first 30 seconds, I thought WTF? Such a beautiful ending, and it's ruined by an epilogue about studying for law exams ?? Ahhhh... the writer has set us up for a beautiful ending, where Hae-in whispers his name repeatedly so it will be the one memory she will remember, as a tear falls down her face.
That's why I shrug off all the imperfections of this drama - the good parts are just too good!
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jerrykuvira
April 23, 2024 at 12:08 AM
I don't think the problem is with the length of the episodes. We have had 45 min - 1 hr episodes where all the releases of the week was 75 minutes filler, 15 minutes actual plot.
The problem is that the writer has enough time to tell the story but somehow chooses not to tell a proper one. And instead is boring us with scenes we clearly do not want to see.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 12:20 AM
yeah, that's my feelings too - this drama went from firing on all cylinders to stalling/idling a bit before finale week but I have enough goodwill from weeks 1-6 and even episode 13, to forgive the last minute hiccups and go ahead into episodes 15 and 16, admittedly I will not do it without a lot of complaining first!
Between Hyun-woo's full-blown panic attack and breakdown on believing Hae-in was in that car to Hae-in's pleading with him to be there as she wakes up (and then him breaking down after she's out of sight), Kim Soo-hyun and Kim Ji-won seem to have made it their mission to drain my tear ducts this week. What I really loved about that scene was, as you said, her complete vulnerability but somehow acted out in a way that was consistent with who the character is - it's subtle but impressive. And I will not enjoy it if she loses that personality of hers to become a barely-resistant puppet to Eun-snake.
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tabong
April 23, 2024 at 12:35 AM
Yes!! Hae In's character development was my favorite thing of the week too!
I don't think we have spent that much time focused on her in the past.
We have focused a lot on her as part of the couple, but I think we finally got to see her just being herself and living life, and enjoying it!
She still had her few jokes about death, but for most part she just talked about life and what she wants for her future. And even after she thought of not having the surgery, and went back to thinking about death, it wasn't like before.
She kept being open and honest. She didn't try to hide her feelings behind a calm face, logic and jokes all the time.
She fought and cried, and confessed that she wanted to keep living, but she was scared of losing herself.
It really hurt me that the first thing she had to hear were lies about Hyun Woo.
The way she kept repeating his name, just for Eun-b to tell her that she remembers him because of the pain he caused her? The audacity of that snake.
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April 23, 2024 at 1:58 AM
It's a good progression too - she thought she was going to die after the press conference last week but she didn't, so from waking up to tell Soo-cheol that she's sorry for everything and Hyun-woo that she (still) loves him and always has, to withhholding/initially lying about then confessing her fears over failing to recognise people/losing her memory, to acceptance of the end and then hope, to resistance again....makes it doubly maddening to see her at the mercies of Eun-snake and his lies now.
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 24, 2024 at 3:06 PM
Love your sea otter visual!! And I agree, Hae In has come a long way. Both leads' acting is stellar.
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33 Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
April 22, 2024 at 10:36 PM
Thanks for the super-quick and still funny recap- so glad that you're still finding witty things to say about this show! (eggwash LOL)
As for me, I felt the plot holes have become large enough to drive 'em container TODs right through, with room to spare.
And how much crying can a show wring from it's leads? YES.
Not to say that I'm not still obsessed with them... The only bits I watch and love are when Hae In or Hyun Woo are onscreen. I started watching for them, and will finish for them.
My favourite scene this weekend, and the only time I teared up, was the one after HW sees HI into her surgery... his breathless panic attack was a masterclass, and I actually felt him crumble after holding himself together in front of her... fantastic. These small touches are what make me fall harder for Kim Soo Hyun every single episode- like how much of an observer of human behaviour and empath do you have to be to act like that?!
Otherwise, the lapses in logic are becoming too much to bear! I become a raccoon-eyed, splotchy, frizzy mess with the slightest headache, and here's HI looking like Miss Korea after an hours-long threatening surgery... Did I miss that she went for a facial and not a neuro-procedure? The thing with the fake guardianship, Interpol, yada yada, too much to bear.
I also could not be bothered about anyone or anything else- it's all just straight up fast forward or 1.5x sped up. The only side characters I watch are Soo Cheol and Geon Wu, and Hyun woo's mum... the rest of them are too stupid for words and I have no patience for much of Kdrama comedy- The aunt, the siblings, Grace... just go away ffs.
And as for Eun-SoB and his momma, I get that they're driving the plot, but can they please slink back quickly into whatever shadow they slid out of? (That's a whole other can of worms for me- I surmise that adoption isn't seen very positively in Korea already, so to have all the kids from the orphanage, the caretaker, the adoptive parents, turn out so bad is just rubbing me the wrong way, especially since I have many very dearly beloved adopted children in my own circle)
All said, I'm probably still going to rewatch bits of these eps while waiting for next weekend just to keep my fix. I really really hope they stick the landing, and redeem themselves early a quarter way thru ep 15, otherwise I'm going to have the join all the Knetz hurling online abuse at the makers *shudder*
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Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
April 22, 2024 at 11:55 PM
And did I read the scene right, that Eun-snake was tring to cosplay Hyun Woo in hospital, with the bandaged hand n all?! I wonder if he's actually Photoshopped himself into HI' s past, after getting all proof of Hyun Woo removed- haha that's a whole other lever of stalkerhood! Why then, did he so readily accept that he wasn't HW when she woke up saying his name?
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 24, 2024 at 3:04 AM
probably hard to pretend he's "Baek Hyun-woo" when all official documents say otherwise, especially after he just had actual Hyun-woo arrested - can't have duplicates.
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Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
April 24, 2024 at 4:41 AM
I think I'm taking my cues from the writer, and not dismissing any possibility while coming up with my own theories, however outlandish they may seem lol
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 24, 2024 at 3:10 PM
I noticed the bandaged hand too. Like she's going to remember that but not people and her relationships with them? Does he plan to say he was the one who rescued her from the car accident that was caused by his mother?
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Procrasti-NationFirstCitizen
April 24, 2024 at 5:21 PM
I think, and I hope I'm wrong, that that's the next alleyway the writer is planning to mug us in. He's trying to insert himself into her experiences by saying it was him and not HW- he's already usurped the drowning incident. In the preview, he's obviously read her diary and burnt it, aaaand there's a shot of someone in an aquarium which is obviously him and not HW.
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 24, 2024 at 9:58 PM
I hope they don't go that far. Maybe that's Eun Snake's plan he imagines but like most of his ideas they're delusional.
34 osmanthustea
April 22, 2024 at 11:09 PM
By the time my brain clued in on Eun-sung's scheme (was not expecting the Interpol plot twist, I thought he's 'just' setting up Hyun-Woo in a car accident), I couldn't continue watching haha. But the recaps/spoilers are helpful for preparing me mentally when I pick up the show this week. Thank you, unit!
Germany of all countries should not be so sloppy with patient guardianship info. First of all, he's been there together with her so many times, right up to the surgery. At the minimum, shouldn't they realise it's weird for another guy to suddenly show up post-surgery???
Actually I was surprised that the parents did not even consider accompanying Hae-in for the surgery. Not like money is a concern, right? Can't believe she's left stranded but yaaas I love that the first thing she remembers is Hyun-woo.
One of the things I've been hoping for, is that Hyun-woo will call forth an army of Queens' sons-in-laws. All those bros who bonded over slaving away for their in-laws' memorial services. But I guess that's unlikely now. Good to see the older Hong brother coming to play though.
I have to say I absolutely cracked up with this line: "Delulu is really not the Eun-solulu here."
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osmanthustea
April 22, 2024 at 11:29 PM
I think someone mentioned in last week's recap too - why wasn't there any real repercussion for Eun-snake after Hae-in dropped the bomb at the press conference that he was threatening them? Shouldn't she at least 'leak' the recording so that it's clear what he said? That would be so pivotal. Other than his share prices (or something like that), I don't see any real issue that he faced ugh.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 2:09 AM
she did collapse and go into hospital right after but yeah it is a fairly large bomb to drop and then never address again even if she didn't actually have a recording. They do talk of the media going for him after the press conference but not specifically for blackmail.
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 24, 2024 at 3:14 PM
I questioned this too but some beanies noted that this is a different hospital in Germany so they have not been there before. The doctor was different but I also thought it was the same place. Even so, no hospital should be that lax in permitting a stranger she never acknowledged prior to surgery and with no familial connection to become her guardian.
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vienibenmio
April 25, 2024 at 8:10 PM
In the US they'd be open to a HUGE lawsuit (and I imagine other countries, too)
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
April 27, 2024 at 12:53 AM
Yes, Germany is known for their organizational efficiency and adherence to rules so I cannot imagine this happening there. Only in Kdrama land!
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35 ladyjaye
April 22, 2024 at 11:47 PM
I'm blown away by the two leads and I love the family dynamics (except for Soo-cheol and Da-hye because it's ridiculous), but the ending of episode 14 irritated me, ngl. We should be tying loose ends up, retting ready to have a nice epilogue, not all this nonsense!
One of the things I do like about the drama though, is that it doesn't romanticize obsession. It isn't cute, it is intrusive and dangerous - and that's what they've done witn Eun-sung's character. But I'm tired of him as well!!
I thought this was supposed to be a wistful black romantic comedy drama, not a thriller or whatever. There's so many directions the writing could have gone for this second half and this is what the writer is choosing to do in the last few episodes. Ughh. (Also, grandpa Hong can FOH with that uninspired advice. Isn't that what everyone says).
If they wanted to do this, couldn't they have done it BEFORE the 14th episode???!!
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 12:33 AM
oh yes, THANK GOODNESS QoT refuses to engage in romanticising sociopath behaviour just because "he's traumatised and she was nice to him and he has ~feelings~ for her" or whatever - and from that perspective, Hae-in's repeated, unambiguous and (rightfully!) brutal rejections of Eun-snake are so refreshing to me, my queen does not care AT ALL for any destiny, childhood connections or business deals that he has to offer and - blessedly - has never toned down her rejections by feeling "sorry" for him or feeling like she owes him anything (she doesn't). But the repeated need for it is getting tiring, I would not hold it against her if she poisons him next weekend or something.
I'm tired of some of these draggy plots - like can Da-hye make herself useful already??! And I don't mean chopping vegetables, I mean turn that bloody USB in already and help out the Hongs instead of sitting on your hands going "boohoo poor me, everyone hates me but it's ok I'll just be a martyr instead of actually helping them take down the baddie team I was on till five minutes ago" but I can forgive the tropes, this is a kdrama after all and they were doing pretty well until just now.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 1:29 AM
also contd. re: Eun-snake - anyone can fight me on this, but it would be borderline irresponsible towards this drama's substantial female audience, to portray him as anything other than a walking red flag.
For someone who's got ~feelings~ for her, he certainly doesn't seem to respect or care about her as a person at all, just a human trophy - the Netflix English subtitle translated his ma's dialogue when she was threatening to do away with Hae-in as [watching her son be betrayed by] "the love of his life"] but the word Mistress Snake actually uses, 목표, makes the literal meaning more like "the woman who was your life's goal" which is closer to the spirit in which he actually sees Hae-in - as a thing, a goal to achieve by any means necessary and at any cost to Hae-in herself.
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April 23, 2024 at 10:54 AM
K-dramas are not exactly known for their responsible depiction of obvious red-flag-males. Remember Boys over Flowers, Pasta, Jealousy incarnate etc.
Though it is getting better.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 6:09 PM
That's why QoT's repeatedly making the point that Eun-soulless is an entire United Nations of red flags and not just some poor traumatised baby who would be cured of his issues by ~love~ (of the woman he thinks he's entitled to, whose repeated and explicit rejections he chooses to ignore, and whom he's resorted to actually committing crimes against), is such a refreshing change from that.
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April 23, 2024 at 11:36 PM
Agreed! He started out as not that scary ... a conman who had been in love with the FL since he was a boy ... but it just got gradually worse, sailing into the maelstrom of a psychological horror thriller. If the whole story had been told from Hae-in's view point it would have been a real horror story.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 24, 2024 at 3:00 AM
@ceciliedk - good point, from Hae-in's perspective he's a stalker starting from half a lifetime ago?! The red flags were there even before the attempted dog murder and certainly the minute he had the audacity to put his hand into her bag and turn off her phone, he's been violating boundaries her boundaries for much longer than we see onscreen given that she even talks about having cut him off earlier.
The fact that she's more angry than scared, or that she's clever and ruthless enough to fight back when when he threatens her or even to try to turn the situation to her advantage without feeling any guilt or pity for him, doesn't change what he is.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
April 24, 2024 at 3:15 AM
Certainly doesn't.
What turns it into a real horror story and not just a thriller, though, is that she is losing her grasp on reality at the same time. This whole story ... including Hyun-woo that we love ... it's such a horror story from her side.
ANd you can include almost drowning and then being hated by her mother afterwards.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 24, 2024 at 4:07 AM
@ceciliedk - yeah, give QoT a different visual treatment and tone and I can absolutely see it as a horror story.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
April 24, 2024 at 8:04 AM
Of the silent, creepy kind. No jump scares. All bad feeling in the guts and hard to sleep because you dream your friends wants to steal your mind and your money.
GySgt213
April 23, 2024 at 6:38 AM
I am not sure what the point of the scene with Hae-in leaving the recording pen for Grandpa was other than unnecessary filler.
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April 23, 2024 at 10:52 AM
Mommy Fearest held Grandpa in a tight grip and hissed loudly in his face just in front of that pen. Something like:
"You sometimes gain consciousness just enough to know what you are being held captive, but you are not well enough or conscious long enough to do anything about it. You are only alive because you are my money cow. Muahahahah!"
So I was hoping it recorded that, too. Maybe it lies like an Easter Egg a bit after the rest of the recording stops and will suddenly help them get their house and other stuff back. Or maybe the writers just made it so to have the possibility of using that device if they didn't have other ideas come episode 15.
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36 C
April 22, 2024 at 11:56 PM
Why is no one talking about dramaland Haein with perfect luscious full hair post brain surgery 😂
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Ann
April 23, 2024 at 9:25 PM
Perhaps the first thing she packed for her Germany trip was a wig?
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37 Bunny Sonaki
April 23, 2024 at 12:39 AM
I guess we can describe the drama as two shows in one. A romance story about our BaekHong couple that we can't get enough of and a makjang tale about the villains and the families that no one cares about.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 1:03 AM
I don't mind a focus on the families in terms of how they relate to our couple, like Soo-cheol breaking down in Hyun-woo's arms last week over his guilt and concern for his noona, was quite sweet.
but yeah stuff like Mistress Snake just snaking around unchecked, Eun-snake likewise with the only people who have ever actually foiled any plans of his i.e. Hyun-woo and Hae-in now in jail or incapacitated, Chairman Grandpa not leaving any useful info to his family, not even the fact that Mistress Snake is drugging him!!!, Da-hye sitting on her behind doing nothing to actually help the Hongs unravel Mistress Snake's schemes - like please lady, weren't you in on them until two weeks ago? Out with it already instead of wringing your hands going 'I suck I better try to leave again'..... no thanks. And Soo-cheol is as engaging as he is only because of Kwak Dong-yeon.
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Bunny Sonaki
April 23, 2024 at 1:46 AM
Yeah, totally agree. If Da-hye was worried about Soo-cheol, she had better hand over the flash memory. Her past is already out in the open. So, there is nothing to be afraid of.
Soo-cheol is tolerable because he is Kwak Dong-yeon and because he was really believable at being a good father to his son even after learning the truth. But it also makes me wonder if we would be relating to the character too even if it was played by another actor though I doubt it would be the same?
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 23, 2024 at 2:05 AM
honestly I don't know if I'd have made it past episode..1? 2? if the leads were played by anyone other than Kim Soo-hyun and Kim Ji-won, and the same goes for tolerating Soo-cheol if anyone but KDY was playing him. Casting all-around has been a 10/10.
I may be annoyed with Da-hye but she wasn't the brains of the operation in more ways than one, thinking about it I'm not surprised she's being passive/reactive (running away in response to threats) but it's still irritating.
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Bunny Sonaki
April 23, 2024 at 3:30 AM
Can't agree more on this. There are a few well-written scenes here and there. But for sure with all the makjang, even good scenes will be buried if not for the cast.
38 Scottie
April 23, 2024 at 5:21 AM
I still enjoy the drama a lot, but the writing is sadly not as good as before. I am surprised that the story took the couple back to Germany and the main reason would be the amnesia plot the writer seems to like, it would not have worked in Korea, because Hae-in's family would be at her bedside even if her husband couldn't be. I wish the writer had chosen a different way to create tensions between BaekHong and the villains.
We got a lot of cute, loving moments between the couple and many tears, but I was just waiting for the axe to fall on their sombre happiness. I guess all these memories created in Berlin will prevent Eun-song's ridiculous scheme from succeeding.
I am pleased for Papa Hong that his beloved snail is still alive and well. I am with the family to take this as a sign that all will be well for BaekHong.
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39 Another kdrama addict
April 23, 2024 at 5:49 AM
BaekHong is the egg wash holding this makjang pie of a drama together
I'll probably get bashed, but honestly, this drama is losing its appeal with too many holes and lazy writing. I'm really still watching becoz of KSH and KJW....their performances deserve my unwavering support. The church scene where they cried their hearts out, one wanting to die and the other pleading for her to just live😭😭...the ToD scene where HI see how devastated HW wud be if she's gone and the hospital scene after she's wheeled into surgery and HW finally broke down after trying to stay strong for so long...those were heart-wrenching 😭😭
All the other parts of the story are just nonsensical....how can someone just strut into a hospital and claim guardianship over a patient? And how does Eun-snake more like a fool plan to bluff his way through? All she needs is watch a video of herself at the press conference announcing to the world she was threatened by him. And I'm sure the hospital staff can all bear witness how much she loved her husband. It's just ridiculous to have him conveniently take over her like that. Even if family was not around during her surgery, they could have easily fly over there by now, but no, they show her sitting in the wheelchair, watching snow with the snake hanging around. It was a brain surgery, she cannot be up from her bed in a matter of hours! If she's well enough to be sitting up, her family can be there by then too. They already knew what happened to Hyun Woo. Wouldn't they rush there? Lazy writing.
And that unexplained 30 years motivation...if Ms Girlfriend plotted everything just purely out of greed, then again to me it is lazy writing.
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vienibenmio
April 25, 2024 at 8:12 PM
Good point! The social media alone would be convincing.
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40 pkpk
April 23, 2024 at 6:12 AM
Brilliant recap! Thanks! :)
The winning line - Kim Soo-hyun and Kim Ji-won understood the assignment here, and they delivered like their rent was due.
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pkpk
April 23, 2024 at 6:16 AM
Hopefully our resolution won't be one day in court, where all allegations against the mother son duo are explained and they are put in jail. Seems like could happen!
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Kathryn51
April 23, 2024 at 1:56 PM
Forget about court - when the madwoman loses everything and especially when she realizes her son will never sit at the top of "Queens", I think she's going to burn the place down. I do fear for the poor little slug who survived through all of this, but all of the families belongings were packed up by Grace long ago and haven't yet been reinstalled.
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41 GySgt213
April 23, 2024 at 6:40 AM
If you build a secret room in the future that you want no one to know about or be able to find, might I suggest you don't film where it is and how to locate it.
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April 23, 2024 at 8:03 AM
He imagined they should be safe from incoming thieves or even, in case of war, soldiers. People who wouldn't sit down to watch videos of him and his children.
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42 LaurenSophie
April 23, 2024 at 7:09 AM
As always, it took me longer than most everyone else to actually complete these episodes, and now that I have, I see that I'm very much the odd man out. For those who never liked this writer or this show, this week's twists were certainly not enough to change anyone's mind. But if you loved the show up until this point, I can't say I understand why this week would stand out as the moment it all fell apart.
I didn't personally find episodes 13 and 14 to be particularly frustrating or emotionally exhausting. They seemed completely in line with the tone and style of the rest of the show, but of course, we're at the end, so everything is amplified to the nth degree. The villains are awful, ridiculous, and deserve comeuppance, but they're about to get it, so it made sense that Eun-so-one-note and Ms. Moh would stay true to form to the end. The main couple has also suffered and the amnesia plot is a bit overwrought, but this story has always been over-the-top and epic, so one more obstacle muddying up the miracle cure was to be expected. For me, the romantic and emotional payoff was still there in spades, especially when the tears were off-set by all the humor about covering up sexy forearms and the cuteness of Hae-in sharing her secrets and the poignancy of these two facing the fact that no matter what the circumstances, like all couples in love, the biggest threat to their happiness is learning how to actually live together and compromise when their personalities and approaches to life are diametrically opposed.
The only thing that I struggled with this week was Hae-in initially deciding not to have the surgery, because somehow, losing her memories was worse than losing her life. I actually thought the writing did a decent job of trying to set up and explain that mindset so it didn't sound completely absurd--and of course, the actors really sold it--but it simply made no sense that someone would truly choose to die rather than live but have to form new memories. She was so set on this path, though, that I understood why it took that fiery car crash, and her witnessing her husband's utter devastation when he believed she was dead, to change her mind. And yet, none of this rises to makjang territory for me because all of it, even the villains' machinations, have grounding in emotional truth. To me, this show is extra, but it's not makjang. But even if it were, I'd still be loving it at this moment.
On a shallow note, I thought the cinematography was absolutely stunning this week. If "King the Land" was ultimately nothing more than PPL for Thailand, "QoT" will always stay in my memory as the show that made me want to honeymoon in Germany (if, you know, I wasn't already happily married).
Shout-out to the Secretary Na and Hae-in scenes this week as well. These two have the best banter and you can tell they really love each other even if both are averse to grand emotional gestures and declarations.
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OldLawyer
April 23, 2024 at 7:38 AM
Memories are very precious things and so I understood the emotional situation of our FL.
Probably the biggest difference between this amnesia arcs and all others is that this one has been chosen not simply suffered - it is a sacrifice that Hae-in must make if she is to live. So much of these episodes were devoted to showing us the enormity of it all- except that the preparations should really have included more photos and videos in preparation for this, a la the final scenes of FIFITY FIRST DATES.
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LaurenSophie
April 23, 2024 at 8:01 AM
You're right that memories are precious--I certainly wouldn't want to give up mine. But if faced with certain death or likely loss of memory, I don't think most of us would have been quite as determined as Hae-in was to choose the certain death option. It was hard for me to accept, especially in light of how determined she had been to live prior to this point. But I also appreciate what you said about the difference here when compared to other amnesia arcs--we don't really see characters make a choice when it comes to losing their memories; it's typically just forced upon them. So this is a unique way of utilizing that well-worn trope.
Great point about videos and photos. I'm wondering if in the next episodes we'll find out that Hyung-woo and other family members did scramble to do this for her? We saw that one video in the epilogue, but there must be more. That would be a nice reveal.
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vienibenmio
April 25, 2024 at 8:13 PM
Mama Hong said something that I had said when this first came up: you're gonna lose your memories if you die, too
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Neolttwigi
April 23, 2024 at 8:25 PM
I only just completed it myself. I got partway thru and could see where it was going and had to stop for a while.
It's not that I thought it all fell apart- I just didn't like where it was going.
But then, I wouldn't say that I "loved" the show until this point either. It's been problematic for me from the start.
I loved episode 10, and I just want more scenes of the bad guys being outmaneuvered and triumphed over. I hope they do that well before the last bit of the last episode. Another 1.5 episodes of crying will be too much, no matter how handsomely they all cry.
(It does make me wonder- apart from it being an ugly invasion of privacy, I would be so curious to see them cry IRL- they probably still look ridiculously beautiful. I think his real superpower is "cute when crying")
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43 DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
April 23, 2024 at 11:15 AM
For anyone interested, I giffed :
Ep. 12 https://www.dramabeans.com/activity/p/1564413/
Ep 13 https://www.dramabeans.com/members/CecilieDK/activity/1567296/
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44 leeboo
April 23, 2024 at 12:00 PM
The crying in ep14 was obscene. It was excessive. They really lived up to their title.
And indeed for Eun-Suck, delulu is really not the Eun-Solulu
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45 Kathryn51
April 23, 2024 at 2:06 PM
Re: memory loss. I just posted this on MDL and may be of interest here on Dramabeans:
A. Explicit Memory
1. Hippocampus: helps us remember facts, events, and experiences (long-term/short-term).
2. Cerebellum: procedural memories (bike-riding)
3. Amygdala: regulates fear and emotional memories
4. Neocortex: language; general knowledge (example: knowing that coffee provides an energy boost).
IMPORTANT: the brain’s ability to recognize faces is a function of many parts. That’s why it’s easier to recall faces than names. I guess this helps explain why Eun-seong is making the effort to resemble Hyun-woo
B. Implicit Memory: skills and habits without conscious effort (Example: Hae-in stroking her ring finger)
C. Subconscious: acts as a “storage” bank for memories, experiences, general thoughts and associations, emotional responses, sensory (example: perfume) triggering a memory or emotional response.
Hae-in prayed “Please let me cherish these memories [of loving others and being loved] until my last breath.” Hyun-woo’s prayers were answered and I’m sure writer-nim will do the same for Hae-in. Otherwise, that scene with her writing her prayer would be meaningless.
Thus, between the emotional memories, implicit memories and subconscious memories stored here and there within her brain, she will remember those that loved her. And those she loved.
I would like more explicit memory recall (events, dates, etc) but writer has different ideas. But I can think of several possible triggers for Hae-in - the number 1031; the four leaf clover that Hyun Woo grabbed after she threw it away in Germany; a hair dryer? food? The writer made a point of sprinkling these around in prior episodes.
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bbstl 🧹
April 23, 2024 at 5:02 PM
Well done, thanks for this info and your interpretations!
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
April 23, 2024 at 6:09 PM
Thank you!
We cannot count on the drama to be strictly scientific, but it is really nice, still, to have this to relate to.
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Neolttwigi
April 23, 2024 at 6:29 PM
Yes, I have been wondering if Eun-echo was going to make the mistake of taking her back to that lavender field- The perfume, the wind, all those things that she mentioned that make up the memory- it would backfire on him big time
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Kathryn51
April 23, 2024 at 9:05 PM
Agree totally that he will "push boundaries" and attempt to mimic memories from the past - and stupidly believe that they will somehow link to him, rather than Hyun-woo. The lavender fields - OMG, I don't think I can watch that!
But my thought was her favorite "wine" (which would be a very negative memory for her).
And there is ZERO doubt in my mind that he will use the ultrasound photo (and as someone who went through miscarriages and other crisis pregnancy issues) that will be the most ultra horrific scene imaginable (my stomach clenches at the thought). I am preparing myself to FF through that on first watch. Dang - I'm sick as I am typing this.
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Neolttwigi
April 23, 2024 at 9:39 PM
Yeah, I'm not going to 'like' your comment because I agree, that would be too horrific.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
April 23, 2024 at 11:19 PM
That is a tad worse than I had imagined. But this comedy has a good deal of horror in it, ... you never know.
BTW, some years ago, on the 1st of April, the Copenhagen Zoo had provided an ultrasound photo of the elephant-to-be in one of the elephants' uterus, and you could write your name and it would be put on as if you were the one expecting.
I did that, writing "something big is on its way!" and was congratulated so much. Even though the trunk could be seen clearly on the photo! 🤣😍
(I was going to make an emoji combined from the elephant and the hatching chicklet, but I can't post pictures here, so ... )
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46 Neolttwigi
April 23, 2024 at 8:16 PM
I don't have a problem with ES suddenly coming in and claiming guardianship, or the sudden arrest. It's clear to me that there was a certain amount of bribery involved. What's more, it would be possible to do it as very charming ' no Im not actually evil' bribery- telling people that the arrest will happen anyway, just make it happen faster. Telling people that HW is a stalker, that things got confused because hospital registration was in English/German and its not HI's first language and she trusted the wrong people, and could we please sort it out quickly and here is a large donation?
No, what I have a problem with is that HW, the sometimes brilliant legal mind, went to a foreign country with HI for serious medical surgery with someone who could drop dead at any moment- and did not establish clear lines of guardianship by registering their marriage. I guess they are relying on the previous marriage, (he started talking to hospitals before they divorced) and the hospital not being updated about the divorce because it's in a foreign country. But none of the lawyers I know would trust anything so ephemeral, especially in a foreign country.
This is why I find HWs character so inconsistent and jarring. To me, he acts in two different ways, purely because of what the drama wants at the time. He is logical and insightful sometimes- but then is slapdash and unperceptive other times.
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Kodra aka Qanon something
April 23, 2024 at 8:59 PM
"To me, he acts in two different ways, purely because of what the drama wants at the time."
Not only him, both of them in my opinion. That was my beef with the show at the beginning, one second they were hot and the next they were cold. I would characterize him as being naive, specially with her until this point. He believed what he saw in front of him and what she was saying. Now I feel that he understands her more and is pushing her buttons (the flexing of forearms, the use of his superpower). He is bolder with her, not as afraid of her. She kind of apologized for acting cold to him (the morning after the press conference) but never explained why she was like this. We still don't know. She did became warm more consistent now but the question remains if they would have remained a couple if she didn't have cancer. I would have liked that story specially after seeing the forearms flexing scene, they looked good acting jealous together. I think I'll go watch JI again.
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bbstl 🧹
April 23, 2024 at 9:23 PM
That was a good scene 😉
I wonder if we’re going to learn that her tumor has been growing since at least their honeymoon when she hallucinated the old man in the cemetery. I guess that could somewhat explain her inconsistencies?
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Kathryn51
April 23, 2024 at 10:15 PM
THAT scene (hallucination during honeymoon) was definitely from out of left field and I kinda resent the fact that it was so late in the drama.
My crazy-ass theory has been that Mad Moh has been poisoning Hae-in since. . . well, at least the miscarriage. But perhaps the cancer hallucinations are simply . . .cancer hallucinations.
My rating for this drama will depend heavily on how they explain the past and connect it to the present. The writing/scripts have been dynamite so far w/r/t connecting dots (still more to be connected) and the Epilogues/flashbacks/ foreshadowing. I think they will stick the landing w/r/t to everyone's history, but only time will tell.
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Kodra aka Qanon something
April 24, 2024 at 8:49 PM
I don't remember the scene with the old man, what episode showed it?
One should expect that she had the cancer for some time if she was told that she had only three months to live. So I suspected that she might have had minor symptoms, at least moments of confusion and behaviour changes, depending on what areas were most affected. Also, because she was completely different with him before the marriage and honeymoon. The drama has not revealed any fault of HW for her to behave like this with him before the miscarriage. And let's say that it was her way to deal with grief at that time, it didn't hold water with me because of the way she talked about having another baby in the first episode. She hasn't said anything to anyone or herself for 14 episodes about how she felt, yet she keep seeing her dead brother. Maybe she felt as being punished for causing her brother's death but still doesn't explain the cold attitude when discussing their next child. My bet is that she was a little like her grandpa and that is why his message from the pen was relevant. I would have liked it more if the problems and miscommunication between them would have been because of her symptoms but I guess that is not the case, writer-nim thought that the brain cancer started just as instant as it was cured.
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Minnie🫘👩🏻🚀Pioneer and Teacher 👩🏻🏫🌱🏹
April 24, 2024 at 8:17 PM
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Minnie🫘👩🏻🚀Pioneer and Teacher 👩🏻🏫🌱🏹
April 24, 2024 at 8:22 PM
The writing has let both these beautiful actors down so badly that they are left to grapple in the dark. Their arc has been so inconsistent that with any other actors this would have vanished from the viewing list (at least I hope so. I really would not like to see this script writer again, but that thinking is as wistful as hoping for a sensible arc in this mess of story made up of tropes minus a plot).
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Neolttwigi
April 24, 2024 at 8:28 PM
I'm much more forgiving of HI's inconsistencies. She has multiple small brain tumours, one of them in the right place could really influence her emotions.
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Minnie🫘👩🏻🚀Pioneer and Teacher 👩🏻🏫🌱🏹
April 25, 2024 at 5:04 AM
Problem is also that she is not consistently inconsistent, with anyone as far as emotions go. And less we speak about her cancer the better :-( It would have been so lovely to show their fight through an actual battle of cancer. It would have been so refreshing.
47 Tortlie
April 23, 2024 at 9:33 PM
Oooh I was thinking the exact same thing, they're not going to skip over Baby 1031 right?!?!? I really was waiting for them to mention that in the final hospital bed scene, or really, any time before... It seemed like such a pivotal moment in their relationship and I was curious to see what they would say they can do to overcome such a situation next time.
But anyways, overall, it was a bit of a jumble. I was originally feeling a bit cried out in ep 13. Couldn't really get into the emotions. But then realized I just needed a little break before turning back on the waterworks towards the end of ep 14. I think I was mostly frustrated with the rationale from Hae-in's end about how she's willing to die just to keep her memories. They did try to highlight the importance of her memories with every family member through all those monologues and heart-wrenching dialogues, but it felt a bit disingenuous. Maybe I just can't emphasize with how you could choose to end your literal life just to save some memories for a few more days and grant a good impression on people who know you. Especially since her family relationships are so strong now, she would have a great support system to help her recover, or at least help build new memories with her. I was literally waiting for this line the whole time! ~Don't worry if you lose your memories, I'll build new ones with you~~ [and swoon] But lol, that only happened after millions of back and forths.
Other than that, half of me really hated the last-minute plot twist at the end with Eunsung coming back in and repeating all that I'm your guardian spiel, half of me was also anticipating something to shake things up. Since literally all of ep 14 was about convincing Haein that having a surgery wasn't too bad, it would have been boring to see her just recover normally and things be all good. Unless of course, they made it so she has an extreme personality transplant...which could be fun, but also a bit jarring. We'll see how it goes next week, though I'm not looking forward to all the long prison scenes I'm seeing in the teaser...
Last point, I really hope that just because Haein's become a semi blank slate now, they don't take away her perspective like they did with Grandpa Hong and just make her always stare out of the window lol. Ep. 14 brought in something new with her voiceover. I hope it continues and they don't shutter her out in favor of a Hyunwoo prison escape story...
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48 Neolttwigi
April 23, 2024 at 10:57 PM
The obvious way Eun-scum could have claimed guardianship- Is by registering himself as married to HI. A bit of bribery, a bit of forgery, and he has it all. And will also help protect him back in Korea
Family wants to talk to HI? Sorry, she is sick, you can't talk to her.
There is a whole lot of press whosaw HI say that ES was threatening her too- No sorry, that was just hallucinations from her illness, look I'm her husband, she didnt mean any of it.
(He has to have a plan for coming back to Korea doesn't he?)
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GySgt213
April 24, 2024 at 4:38 AM
"The obvious way Eun-scum could have claimed guardianship- Is by registering himself as married to HI"
Huh? One person can register themselves as married to another?
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Neolttwigi
April 24, 2024 at 5:30 AM
ES could have bribed people/forged HI's signature and registered the marriage. It's just putting a form in at a government office.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 24, 2024 at 11:00 PM
We still don't know if that was what happened though.
I mean, it's not clear whether the three month deadline for the divorce becoming final, even passed before Hae-in agreed to have the surgery and accepted Hyun-woo's divorce cancellation proposal - I can't imagine Hyun-woo NOT hotfooting it over to whatever authority was in charge to cancel that divorce the second she said yes. If we're still within the three months, then she's still legally married to Hyun-woo and can't actually be officially "married" to anyone else even with a forged signature that Eun-snake might put on the form, that's bigamy. Unless there's some other loophole that allowed it.
(also would Hae-in really have signed any documents allowing that creep to be her 'guardian' before the 'you're a blackmailing creep' press conference? It would contradict her entire reason for being there - she knew she might actually die and intended to out him, surely she wouldn't sign anything giving him legal powers over her in a situation where him having the chance to use them was very plausible i.e. she was dying?? Especially not right after the Hongs saw what happened to Grandpa who'd done the exact same thing giving Mistress Snake power of attorney/guardianship over him?? And if the '3 months before divorce is final' deadline was in force, she couldn't have signed any wedding forms while still legally married to Hyun-woo even if they were referring to themselves as divorced)
aaaagh I'm just very frustrated about this.
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Neolttwigi
April 25, 2024 at 12:39 AM
I'm sure HI did not sign anything. I'm thinking forgery and/or bribery.
HI or HW- I forget which one- makes a comment to the other something like " you are not upset because we did not register our marriage". So we have been told that its not registered.
Did they register it after that comment? Who knows. But I think it was just before they left for Germany.
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49 GySgt213
April 24, 2024 at 5:04 AM
Hae-in losing her memory was a side effect. But not everyone experiences side effects.
So, I wonder if a nice twist would have been BaekHong knowing about Eun-scum's plan for the frame and arrest making a backup plan in case she didn't lose her memory. Setting a trap for Eun-scum where she pretended to do so. All of this would have been unknown to us viewers until the trap was sprung and Eun-scum caught.
After all throughout this series Eun-scum and his evil mom have been able to find anyone, anything and turn anyone against the Hongs without us seeing either of them put much effort into it.
But since she did lose her memory I wish the surgery had happened earlier in the drama. I just feel there is not enough time left in the drama to properly show her regaining her memory and falling in love again without it seeming rushed. I hope I'm wrong.
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50 Minnie🫘👩🏻🚀Pioneer and Teacher 👩🏻🏫🌱🏹
April 24, 2024 at 8:09 AM
I think I am finally done watching this show. I can't take any more. The puppy like exuberance of Hye In in these episodes is so removed from her original persona with little to no arc of character development, it's beyond suspension of disbelief (juxtaposed with Kim Tae Ri's debut turn in Mr Sunshine, I am gobsmacked at the difference). The over the top crying has rendered me indifferent. There is no relief, so no high or low point to savour. I will not even go to the ludicrous line of Hye In's illness, it's not even a moot point anymore.
This is probably the first K-drama I have watched where bad writing has taken center stage, over shadowing everything and still is breaking viewing records. I have either watched or dropped dramas I didn't like, but none of the dramas that scored the ratings were flawed in such a multi-dimensional way. I know I have constantly cribbed about the dismal writing of this show for weeks now, but even I didn't believe it would come to this. I am sorry Queen of abysmal Tears, I really do not have any to shed for you. I will ff through the last episodes someday later to earn my much deserved bean so I can use it spread my love to something which will probably not get your undeserved ratings (My Lovely Runner, please do not let this beanie down, though unfortunately I am not holding my breath 😒).
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