The Matchmakers: Episodes 10-11
by Unit
Just when you think you’ve got this show figured out, bam! It hits you with plot twists you do not expect. This week, we learn new things about our OTP and the villains. And as for our couples in the matchmaking equation, well, why stick to being match-made when you can find love on your own?
EPISODES 10-11
Last week, we wrapped up with Jung-woo and Soon-deok’s search for the author of the novel detailing how Lord Jo’s eldest son died. According to the novel, the son fell in love with Lord Min’s crossdressing daughter and they both committed suicide because they couldn’t be together. But our OTP gets a different version of the story when they eventually meet the author.
In a series of plot twists, we learn that: 1) the “crossdressing daughter” Lord Jo’s son fell in love with was in fact, Lord Min’s son; and 2) there was no joint suicide because Lord Min’s son is still alive. In fact, he is the author of the novel! So how did Lord Jo’s son actually die? The answer is in the third — and the biggest — plot twist. Apparently, Lord Jo walked in on the couple locked in an embrace, and next thing you know, he’s executing them for dishonoring their families by being gay. Thankfully, Lord Min’s son managed to survive the attack — which is why he now lives in hiding as a monk. Whoa! I need a minute to process this.
I knew Lord Jo was a despicable person, but I didn’t think he was this terrible. To his own flesh and blood, no less! By the way, remember that rumor about his eldest daughter-in-law’s murder being disguised as a suicide to get the Virtuous Woman title? Yeah, it’s true. But it wasn’t Lady Park behind it as the rumor suggested, it was all Lord Jo’s doing because his daughter-in-law witnessed the murder of her husband. Sigh. That crazy Lord Jo did not mind making his grandson grow up without parents! Thank goodness for Soon-deok who was there to adopt the boy.
Of course, Minister Park was also at the forefront of covering up Lord Jo’s filicide because his nephew was in possession of evidence of his corruption and planned treason. Tsk. This entire revelation makes Soon-deok conflicted because she didn’t think that exonerating the real Lady Yeo-ju would mean exposing her father-in-law’s crimes. It’s hard to believe that the honor of the family was more important to Lord Jo than his son’s life.
Meanwhile Lord Jo and Minister Park are antsy about the upcoming nuptials of the Maeng sisters and Jung-woo’s role in it. Because if the sisters get married, the faction’s excuse to stop the crown prince from marrying will no longer be valid. The evil duo have someone tail Jung-woo, and now they’ve got their sights on the monk he visited as well as “Lady Yeo-ju.”
Minister Park suggests that they use the chance to kill Jung-woo, but Lady Park rebukes him. “Why do you blurt out things without thinking?” Excellent question! Lady Park isn’t as worried about the nuptials as the evil duo. “Even if all the spinsters and bachelors in Joseon get married, the crown prince will never marry,” she says. And using her intel that the crown prince is in correspondence with Ha-na, Lady Park sends a letter to him in Ha-na’s name inviting him to the May Festival. Man, I’d have been a stronger supporter of her genius if I wasn’t rooting for the good guys.
The May Festival finally arrives, and typical of this drama, everything that can go wrong goes wrong, starting with our love cycle. As opposed to their family’s plan for them to spend the day together, Ye-jin and Shi-yeol agree to spend it apart. You know, their engagement aside, these two make a really great team. Of liars. Anyway, like he hoped to do, Shi-yeol enjoys the festival with Du-ri, while Ye-jin spends the day with Boo-gyeom. And by the end of the day, Boo-gyeom informs our matchmakers that he cannot marry Du-ri.
Sam-soon initially tries to ignore Soon-gu but when she falls into the stream and he jumps in to rescue her, she re-falls in love with him. (The Jung siblings definitely have a thing for saving their loved ones from drowning. Heh.) Afterwards, Soon-gu proposes to Sam-soon, and my Sam-soon-gu heart explodes — with joy, of course. I can’t relate with Jung-woo’s chest pain at the sight of the cutest couple in town. Seriously, Sam-soon-gu is so cute together, and I just about died of swoon at Soon-gu’s “You’re my first in everything,” confession to Sam-soon. Move away, Jung-woo. The new King of Swoon is here.
As for Ha-na, she abandons the bachelor she has been matched with to rescue the crown prince — who sneaked out to the festival — from yet another kidnap attempt. Jung-woo and Soon-deok go after Ha-na and get caught up in the kidnapping hullabaloo. And despite the chest pain that comes with seeing Ha-na standing beside the crown prince, Jung-woo puts in his best efforts — however comical they might be — to fight off the kidnapping goons. This man really learned sword-fighting through books in case he ever had to protect Soon-deok. Bless his heart.
In reality, Jung-woo played backup to the slave hunter searching for the real Lady Yeo-ju (whose real name is TAE-RAN. Aigoo! All these names). Thanks to Slave Hunter’s fighting skills, the kidnapping goons are subdued and the crown prince is saved — and sent back to the palace. Slave Hunter is actually not a bad person, he just wants to make sure Tae-ran is alive and well. Apparently, he was the one who allowed her escape from prison eight years ago, and it seems he has a little something for her. Well, that’s a relief. But now Jung-woo has questions. If Tae-ran is the real Lady Yeo-ju, who is Soon-deok?
Backing up a bit, Jung-woo proposed to Soon-deok. Yunno, since the king promised to allow him to remarry after the Maeng sisters have been married off. But here’s the thing: Soon-deok loved her late husband to the point where she was willing to marry him even though she knew he was terminally ill, and she feels like falling for someone else is a betrayal of the love she had for her husband.
Interestingly enough, Jung-woo wasn’t forced to marry the princess like everyone thought. He really did love his wife — which is why he gets where Soon-deok is coming from. But the fact that they both have feelings for each other doesn’t negate the love they had for their late spouses. And as Jung-woo tells Soon-deok, she doesn’t need to forget about her late husband because he also won’t be able to forget about the princess.
Soon-deok confirms that she also wants to spend the rest of her life with Jung-woo. However, she turns down his proposal because she’s not Lady Yeo-ju the commoner peddler, she is a noblewoman who has a son. Jung-woo hasn’t even recovered from this reveal when she tells him that they need not see each other again now that their feelings are out in the open. But Operation Let’s Not See Each Other Again doesn’t last because Soon-deok is too professional to leave Ha-na and Du-ri groom-less — yunno, since neither of them ended up with their chosen bachelor matches.
Soon-deok’s plan is to match Ha-na with the “young nobleman from earlier” a.k.a the crown prince. (She doesn’t know his real identity, but Ha-na seems to already know who he is.) I’m glad Soon-deok brought up the age difference between Ha-na and the crown prince because even though she doesn’t think it’s a big deal, it is for me! I know this is set in historical times, but a ten-year gap where one of the parties is a 14-year-old? Come on!
An observant Soon-deok makes the connection between Jung-woo’s chest pain around well-suited couples, and Mrs. Maeng’s description of Agents of Love, and she concludes that Jung-woo is the Agent of Love. As a result, Soon-deok is a bit bummed because if she was really the agent, it would have given her a legitimate “it’s my destiny” reason to justify her need to be a matchmaker (aside from the fact that she enjoys matchmaking(. Speaking of which, Jung-woo likens their feelings for each other to destiny. But to Soon-deok, the feelings are fleeting. And this is where we draw the curtains for this week.
What a week! We’re slowly approaching the final stretch, and I’m impressed that the show is still going strong. But I’m kinda miffed that the weekly rhythm has become a bit unbalanced since that preemption. This is one show where the odd and even episodes have been crafted to complement each other, and now that things have been jumbled up, the flow just doesn’t feel right anymore.
But I know a surefire way to make things feel right for me once more… and that is for Lady Park to exact her pound of flesh from her murderous husband. I know it won’t be long because she already overheard his conversation with Minister Park where they all but admitted to being behind the eldest son’s death. Nothing annoys me more than Lord Jo trying to act intellectually superior to his wife with that three-storey gat to cover his empty skull. And it will give me the greatest satisfaction to see Lady Park go off with his head and that of her brother’s!
Side note: I like that none of the minor characters in this show feel wasted. Jung-woo’s servant was me this week throwing up his hands in despair and resignation at the love cycle. He’s such a fun character and no matter how short his scenes are, they’re sure to be impactful. It was also nice to see the chosen bachelors find better suited matches for them than the Maeng sisters. Now all that’s left is for our OTP to become official, and for the love cycle to sort themselves out and form canon pairs so they can all catch up with the bachelors and Sam-soon-gu.
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1 Seon-ha
December 7, 2023 at 5:01 AM
Just for the sheer beauty, please let me offer you some timestamps to revisit from these episodes. This show has so many utterly captivating--and long!--sequences that can simply be admired repeatedly. First, the "Fox Rain" sequence in episode 10, from around minute 2 to minute 5. Second, the "Drowning in Emotions" sequence in episode 11, from around minute 41 to minute 43.
The match between the feelings, the imagery, and the orchestral music in these passages is simply masterful.
Because of the lingering camera shots and the active participation of the soundtrack--plus the excellent work of the entire ensemble cast--the empathy I feel for these characters is so intense, that I know, when I press play, that my heart will leap and sting, my stomach will flutter and ache, and will cry for sure both tears of sadness and happiness. The longing that all of the new couples feel--both those who are well-fated and those who are ill-fated--is my longing. Their pain becomes my pain. Their joy, only ever so fleetingly, mine too.
This drama is a thing of beauty so far, and right now, I don't even need it to stick the landing because it has already given us so much.
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indyfan
December 7, 2023 at 6:28 AM
Those were gorgeous moments indeed. They might make for great gifs. 😊
I love it when shows offer us little tidbits of unique Korean culture. So of course I looked up the folklore around fox rain, aka sunshowers. And it turns out, it isn’t unique at all. Per Wiki (cos that’s how deeply I research) sunshowers are commonly believed the world over a result of a clever animal (or trickster) getting married. How curious.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshower
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john
December 7, 2023 at 6:43 AM
Wah !
I had heard the Devil’s daughter was getting married, probably from a book or film, irl, we called them sunshowers.
From the list, the Fox is well represented, monkeys, hyenas and jackals too.
I found the inter species marriages funny
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Semma Vetti
December 7, 2023 at 7:46 AM
Oh yeah, the fox and crow getting married is what I heard in my childhood, haha!
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
December 7, 2023 at 12:17 PM
There is hardly an ungiffable moment in this drama. There are just the funny moments, the interesting moments, the beautiful moments and the completely breathtaking, stunning, thought-incapacitating moments.
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Seon-ha
December 7, 2023 at 12:49 PM
I'm actually having the opposite problem--I find that I have very few moments that I can isolate from their context. That's why I gave those longer timestamp-based sequences in my comment; I'd have "giffed" them, but I couldn't figure out how--it would have been like a disservice to the cinematography, I felt.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
December 7, 2023 at 12:54 PM
I hear you!
I usually do a lot to stay within a fifteen-second time frame, but it has not always been possible in this show. I have just had to accept fewer frames per second, to be able to gif it.
bbstl 🧹
December 7, 2023 at 8:10 AM
Thank you for pointing out the music. They are doing a superlative job with small bits of incidental music that enhance the scenes, with classical-Western or more Asian motifs. The music team is to be applauded! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
This drama is just so beautiful, sigh.
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Seon-ha
December 7, 2023 at 8:45 AM
Sigh, indeed. I'm with you @bbstl ...beauty down to the smallest of details, like the intonation of the music! I also do keep hearing the traditional Western Mendelssohn wedding march, right when the opening credits start...musical phrasing that then get morphed into something far more East Asian.
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
December 7, 2023 at 8:54 AM
Yes - and I keep catching bits reminiscent of the TV and movie Westerns of our childhood, especially for JW/Oh-bong and Officer Orabeoni scenes. The Bukchon Kid, his sidekick, and the Sheriff.
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bbstl 🧹
December 7, 2023 at 11:34 AM
It’s so adorable how they did that and the graphics with all the threads and knots (and ducks of course!) are equally charming 🥰
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ar_arguably romantic
December 7, 2023 at 3:07 PM
totally! I love how the music enhances rather than overwhelm the scenes. The scene where Soon-deok is in her yangban woman outfit and confesses to Jung-woo in the matchmaking office was so perfectly balanced. It was sweet and heartbreaking without being HEARTBREAKING!
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2 petrolia
December 7, 2023 at 5:29 AM
Up to this point I am so in awe of the writing of this show, and it grows with each episode. This is so carefully crafted that it takes my breath away. I really, really hope it stays that way to the end!
The other wonderful thing about this show is that it's not only keeping your brain cells occupied but delivers all the feelings as well. You yearn and you ache and you grieve and you laugh with these characters.
And the third wonderful thing is that it does some things other dramas don't - kudos to this drama for giving us gay characters who are not used as a comic relief or belittled or made fun of. And for striving away from your first love as the only one relationship that's allowed to happen in your life.
I really love how much this show is carrying without giving away its heart! In my opinion we will face a few more reveals in the next episodes because many things we think we have learned about our beloved characters are just others people's tellings or speculations or rumours, so thoroughly weaved into the narrative fabric that we only see it when it comes apart. Like the reveal that Jung Woo actually loved his wife. Or for Soon Deok's brother the reveal that his sister wanted to marry and wasn't forced (I just loved that he lost no time after hearing this and went to set things right and proposed to Sam-Soon!). Or the believe that it's Soon Deok who is the matchmaker, but in fact it's Jung Woo. So much in this show is about what others think and say that we forget to ask how things really are, and here is another question: what happened to Jung Woo's brother after he asked for help? And what will Lady Park do when she faces the truth, and did she know about her son? I can't wait to find out what I don't know yet!
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Semma Vetti
December 7, 2023 at 7:47 AM
All this!
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bbstl 🧹
December 7, 2023 at 8:14 AM
That was such a compelling detail when Officer told us he wouldn’t marry basically to punish his father for forcing his sister to marry. Whoa, cutting off the blood line is big. And as with so many situations in this drama, it was based on incorrect information!
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♡Peach_Mochi♡
December 7, 2023 at 8:32 AM
Officer is the epitome of still waters running deep. Who would have guessed his anti-marriage stance came from such a strongly felt if mistaken reason. So glad the irrepressible Sam Soon broke through his shell. They complement each other so well. 😍
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chokulit
December 7, 2023 at 8:59 AM
Soon-Gu keeps racking up points for being a protective and supportive brother.
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ar_arguably romantic
December 7, 2023 at 3:13 PM
It seemed like it's also the public perception that Soon-deok married to give her brother a position. When Jung-woo first met Soon-gu, he even made a not-nice comment about how he gained office by selling off his sister.
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bbstl 🧹
December 7, 2023 at 8:33 AM
My heart really ached as the future monk told the story of his love and its tragic aftermath. And then we learned that the innkeeper/bookstore owner is himself in an unrequited love with the monk. I’m always glad when kdrama sneaks in gay relationships that grab the heart.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
December 7, 2023 at 2:46 PM
I'd say this one doesn't sneak that much, even if they are not the main story. Sneaking, that would be more like in The Good Manager/ Chief Kim. A relationship that is never mentioned, but is there to a blushingly obvious degree.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
December 7, 2023 at 2:47 PM
But the main thing is that I agree. I love when there is some representation of other than super cis-het stories.
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ar_arguably romantic
December 7, 2023 at 3:14 PM
With our leads finding love again, I hope there can be a future somehow for the monk and bookstore owner.
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indyfan
December 7, 2023 at 6:54 PM
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indyfan
December 7, 2023 at 7:00 PM
Yes! I love that "sneaking in" or whatever the better term there is for the brief inclusion. But it was also another tragic gay arc. So to have the hope for a happier one? And that perhaps our matchmakers might facilitate it? Yes, pls.
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
December 7, 2023 at 7:58 PM
Yes, let's not leave our gay characters as the only ones not matched at the end.
The monk's story was a pivotal moment. And when he said he believed they were born a mistake, my heart broke.
empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 5:50 AM
on a related note: we were right! the monk is hawt -- at least 2 men have professed their love for him
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3 Bunny Sonaki
December 7, 2023 at 5:39 AM
Sam-soon-gu has my heart, and the scene of Sam-soon crying over the failed matches was hilarious and heart-felt.
I didn't expect to like lady Park but I am really rooting for her to get back on her husband and brother, on this whole stupid faction.
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Dramaforever
December 7, 2023 at 5:53 AM
I am pretty sure Lady Park is the key to all our questions. SD needs her approval / permission to marry JW and the rest will fall in place automatically. With the revelation that her husband killed her son and DIL, I am sure Lady Park is questioning all her motives. I hope she can see SD's dilemma and help her. She will then become the best MIL K drama land has ever seen.
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bbstl 🧹
December 7, 2023 at 8:16 AM
I don’t know, I’m thinking that Mme Park (and her Queenie sister) will have to suffer for attempting to replace the Crown Prince and will end up banished to the countryside.
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Dramaforever
December 7, 2023 at 8:43 AM
Yes, that seems to be the logical result.. let's see... I just want our SD and JW to get together... I really hope it happens
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Semma Vetti
December 7, 2023 at 8:50 AM
I agree Mme Park will and should be punished, cause some, at least, of the deaths were caused by her machinations. But I am thinking if she were to join with JW, the big-brain-trust would be able to find some way out for SD to be with JW and also SD's son, who lost both his parents to his loser grandpa, not to be punished further with the fall of his family.
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bbstl 🧹
December 7, 2023 at 11:22 AM
There has to be a way, and Big Brain Who Learns From Books is sure to find it!
empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 5:58 AM
The narrative can swerve either way and has been kept at knife-point tension by the writer (again, can I say how much I *love* the writing)
(a) yes they join force: cos there are both pull and push factors exerting on Lady Park.
[Push: husband's culpability and coverup in her beloved son's death.
Pull: JW now being the only other person not in cahoots with the guilty party who knows the real story]
(b) No, they oppose each other -- Lady Park made a shrewd statement very early in the story about JW -- "yes he is one of our own, but if he ever turns against us he will become our greatest enemy."
Coming straight from one of the sharpest characters in the story, I would put a lot of narrative weight on that risk assessment by Park
ar_arguably romantic
December 7, 2023 at 3:20 PM
Usually a whole family suffers/gets killed for treason. For the women - if they can be married off and become part of another family before the king brings the hammer down, they can be spared. Maybe the MIL will erase Soon-deok's name from the family register and have her marry Jung-woo. And Yejin can marry her love too. The grandson may be young enough to be spared.
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4 Dramaforever
December 7, 2023 at 5:50 AM
Oh how much I love this drama! I keep questioning my love for this, is it real? am I being a rebel and loving a drama just because it seems like an underdog at the moment amongst all the dramas that are ongoing? But no, I love the drama for what it is. Most organic love that grew very slowly, much like all the love stories in the drama itself. This will go down as one of my top 10 favorite shows and like @Seon-ha mentioned, they don't even have to stick the landing, it is already great. A quiet, poetic and beautiful story, wonderfully done.
As far the story itself, I love how our OTP's love is being developed. They are treading on a very thin rope here, they cannot rush their relationship, lest it ends up disrespecting the Joseon values that widows and widowers had, at the same time they cannot go too slow too, because we do want to see them in love. The conflict in their hearts is clearly shown and I loved how they had SD's child answer it too - When you miss the people who are dead, you just miss them, you go through the emotions and acknowledge them.
I was the one who initially raised the point about CP and Ha Na. I am still not sure about their relationship, but I am thinking that they are going to use their 'soul mate connection' to say that not all soul mates are romantic loves. Our Matchmakers think that they should be, because JW feels their connection, but it might be a learning for them too.
I also think they're going with the concept of one person can have several soul mates concept with JW and SD and I can't wait for SD to realize that.
I want episode 12 now.. I absolutely cannot wait..
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indyfan
December 7, 2023 at 6:41 AM
I really want a non-romantic solution with the Crown Prince as you and other Beanies have suggested. It’s my only hesitation with this drama which I otherwise have come to love.
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hacja
December 7, 2023 at 12:05 PM
I really think that if a marriage takes place--and I remain skeptical that it will, but maybe everyone will be partnered at the end--we can be sure that it will be shown as a decision made by Ha-na to marry while retaining some autonomy and also gaining power. The writers have been really excellent at using a rom-com format, without being too heavy, to critique the distorting weight of Joseon era Confucian restrictions on everybody, but primarily women--so the age absurdity of this choice would fit with that critique.
Also, when I think about it, in the logic of Joseon era arranged weddings uniting families for all purposes except romantic love, would this union be more wrong than if the crown prince was 24 and the bride was 12? Or if they both were 14? By reversing what was an actual historical practice, this coupling highlights how terrible traditional marriage practices were in general.
Finally, while this marriage would be morally dubious if portrayed sexually and romantically, I haven't seen either of those suggested at all even as they are felt to be "destined" together. So far she's been his guardian, and an occasional advisor, which is what she would be as his "wife." But I still am kind of doubting that this will be the resolution in the end.
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Dramaforever
December 7, 2023 at 12:53 PM
Agree with all your points. I had raised this question in one of the previous weeks' discussions too. We have seen a 12 or 14 year old girl get married to a 20 something CP before (The Red Sleeve), but we didn't question it this much.
These 11 episodes have shown that the writer is very cleverly using the fusion sageuk and rom com set up to challenge some of the patriarchal and misogynistic ideas of that era. The fact that they didn't get an actor who looked older might be intentional too.
Someone on reddit had mentioned how Ha Na is a person who is the exact opposite of our die hard romantic Sam Soon. It is so true. Ha Na wasn't looking for a romantic partner, she was looking for someone whom she could respect. CP definitely fits the bill. I think I am slowly warming up to the idea of a non romantic partnership between them. Though I'd really love it, if they don't get married and she just stays close to the CP as a mentor and advisor. Like I mentioned earlier, it will bring across the point that not all soul mates are meant to be lovers.
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Alluvial_Fan
December 7, 2023 at 6:12 PM
Not all soul mates are meant to be partners.
This seemingly light frothy sage keeps us on the edge of reality. FL faces life as a slave to family face. ML will only ever be Resentful Man unless both can break free.
We may cheer them on but we tragically/historically know that reality looms.
Gee, this drama is so organically, structurally and wonderfully great.
ar_arguably romantic
December 7, 2023 at 3:31 PM
I feel like Jung-woo can look at 2 babies and see a destined match, but that doesn't mean those babies are going to fall in love and get hitched before they understand object permanence.
If Hana and the Crown Prince get married, they're not going to be all lovey-dovey. She will likely just be a friend and a mentor. And she's totally into saving the country!
And I wouldn't discount a romance happening in the future.
Ye-jin is 17 and Yangban farmer is 27. Same age difference and they grew up seeing each other. Prince is 14 and will be Ye-jin's age in 3 years.
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empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 9:10 PM
Gosh this must be one of the most contentious points of debate / bombshells this week!
random musings here and there ---
(i) authorial intent: this one seems pretty clear once we have JW's angina act up in their presence (UNLESS it is a clever misdirect and there are other unfolding rules of heavenly matchmaking we are not yet privy to)
(ii) So yes - back to your very intriguing theory - "I feel like Jung-woo can look at 2 babies and see a destined match". This has very interesting plot implications cos up to this point, we assume the "angina-litmus-test" is a snapshot of a couple in real-time. But what if it is not? For CP/Hana it could point to the future and still be a valid chest clutching pain.
(iii) On the other hand a curve ball -- we have all been swept along with the mighty momentum of feverishly matchmaking the three Maeng Sisters. But THIS itself is a premise that is vulnerable to deconstruction.
The real endgame is to marry off the CP. Matchmaking the Maeng Sisters is merely a purported means to an end, which can just as quickly be discarded if a more elegant solution emerges right?
Clue: Watch Jung-Woo's face again, after Mama Maeng asks him about possibly matching Ha-na to that "young nobleman".
The cleanest most elegant way to solve this conundrum and the death threat from the king is simply to marry Ha-Na the oldest spinster to CP. He would become the poster boy for leading by example, laying to rest all objections to his marriage. None of the other sisters (or for that matter, any spinsters in the land) would need to feel compelled to marry after this.
indyfan
December 7, 2023 at 6:27 PM
Couple of interesting points made by different folks. Forgive me Hacja for addressing them all here. I've seen child marriages in historically accurate shows, and, if done in a nuanced, not exploitative way, I've accepted them. In countries like mine where child marriage still happens, I've also accepted them in our contemporary dramas. We don't want this swept under the rug.
But this is a fusion sageuk. It's making all sorts of historically unlikely unions and lifestyles happen—and good for it. So I found the plot choice to have a child groom odd, as odd as if it would have been a child bride. But if it's indeed to point out the absurdity of this practice by imposing upon a boy the injustice that mostly girls suffer, then the satire went above my head. I thought the show played it pretty straight. I might just be obtuse.
At the start of the drama, I'd wondered if it would show a path for at least one of the women to have a meaningful life without marriage. And perhaps the show is saying the only way possible is for Ha-na to marry the boy prince and act as his non-romantic advisor. But it didn't have to go down that path. It's already shown us all kinds of improbable setups. I know it's wishful thinking but I can't help wanting writer-nim to have crafted one for Ha-na that didn't entail marrying a child. (And to me, there'a quite a difference between a 14-year-old and a 17-year-old. Yes, they are both transitioning to adulthood but one is a lot less mature. YMMV.)
I have a lot of goodwill toward the show so I'm waiting to see what it does. I hope in the coming episodes our discussion will be moot.
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indyfan
December 7, 2023 at 7:59 PM
I also wanted to add that the show isn't *for me* about what was realistic. It has been more about what was possible despite the constraints of the time.
Despite an arrangement of convenience, it might be possible to marry those you love in a different social class. Despite the restriction on women, you can become a writer and find a partner who loves you as you are. Despite being a woman, you can be the real power behind a clan. Despite being widowed you can...err, hold that one. 😀
Anyhow, I just wanted the writer to add one more despite to this list... Or, if romance and/or marriage had to be in the cards, perhaps just take the easy way out, make the princeling a bit older... Certainly fusion sageuks have come up with all kinds of crazy reasons for royalty not to have been married at an early age so the unmarried prince plot setup could still have worked.
ar_arguably romantic
December 7, 2023 at 8:13 PM
By comparing Ye-jin and the prince's ages, I mean that in 3 years, the prince would be considered an acceptable groom for Hana if their destiny is supposed to be romantic. I do not expect them to fall in love now or in the next few years. I can't imagine the series going through with seriously conducting a child wedding between the two in the next few weeks. Though they may conduct a fake one to catch some bad guys, since weddings are great opportunities for assassins.
I think once the threat of the concubine and Lady Park's family is removed, the king will be free to interview appropriate princess candidates for the prince and do the royal marriage thing. The pressure for the Maeng sisters to get married should go away. Maeng Hana has saved the prince's life twice. The second time risking her life. There should be some sort of reward, like getting to remain unmarried as long as she likes.
hacja
December 7, 2023 at 11:13 PM
First, @indyfan I really don't think this marriage is going to happen, so our discussion will be moot. But if it does, I don't think its any more outrageous than what happened in Joseon real life history: child brides, concubines, eunuchs, slaves.
But if I could make a larger point without seeming obnoxiously pretentious (I apologize in advance if I it sounds like I am) as a historian, I'm a little skeptical of the distinction you are making between fusion sageuks and regular sageuks. How are regular sageuks bound by historical reality more than fusion sageuks? Mostly by an adherence to fairly trivial details of chronology, clothing, dress, weaponry, etc. etc. But in terms of historical "truth" both are based on our contemporary perception of the time!
Would you say that My Dearest, chronologically accurate but with a romance based on the totally racist, sexist, and extraordinarily historically inaccurate mid-twentieth century work of U.S. popular fiction Gone with the Wind, is more historically true than this story? (This is not a critique of My Dearest at all, which I didn't see, and which I understand was historically true in many respects. The point I'm making is that being bound by historical details doesn't make the show any more historically true)
Even as a fusion sageuk, this has not departed human reality into the supernatural, and as far as what I've read from recent historical scholarship on Joseon era, the show has so far made some excellent, historically true points on the extent of womens' power, regardless of its rom-com trappings.
So while I could always be proven wrong, for now I trust if it goes down the path of Ha-na's marriage, it will be appropriately handled. But we'll see!
indyfan
December 8, 2023 at 1:11 AM
@hacja You bring up some interesting points. Yes, dramas are all fiction. And even if we were debating documentaries, they’re telling a story colored by our modern day lens, our individual perspectives.
However, I do see a difference between sageuks that adhere more closely to the history we know and those who use it more as a backdrop for their more original, sometimes fantastical, stories. Not a clear distinction between the two, but a gradation, or perhaps a palette where those elements mix in differing proportions.
To me, MM falls more clearly into the latter category (even if it didn’t have our mythical matchmaking spirit), and thus has more freedom to shed historical constraints, and which it certainly has done more so than My Dearest, whose one leg (as you rightly mention) was planted in fiction, but it’s other, I felt was more deeply planted in history, and not just the “trivial” stuff.
I really don’t want to open up that can (still nursing my bruises 😅). But I can say the treatment of women in MD seemed closer to the historical record. When women challenged society, for example, there were consequences: enslavement, sexual assault, economic deprivation, abandonment, ostracism, the list goes on.
And it’s not to say the men didn’t suffer as well. That little princeling, in the world of My Dearest, he would be dead. Joseon was shown in all its beauty and its cruelty. MM shows the latter as well, but I feel those sharp edges far, far less.
But I do agree, it’s all a bit grey. But if My Dearest ultimately showcased the darkness, The MatchMakers inhabits a lighter place, a beautiful pastel world of possibilities amid the darkness. Or at least for me.
Anyhows, let’s see how they handle it.
Kurama
December 8, 2023 at 1:55 AM
I don't really agree.
My Dearest was clearly more realistic but not with their main characters. My Dearest was happening in war time but at the beginning the situation was pretty the same than MM.
The main women always were saved before being assaulted. They had to pay the consequences because just of the fact they were touched. But it's not like the writer wanted the FL being married to another man than the lead...
But there was no consequence for the FL being with the ML after a divorce... Like it was a normal thing.
indyfan
December 8, 2023 at 3:11 AM
Well, I did agree MD was a mix of fiction and reality. Only relatively more realistic than MM. Let's see. GC was enslaved and assaulted, tho it was never made clear to what extent. It didn't matter, her husband preferred to leave her in sexual servitude. When she returned on her own, he divorced her, which threw her into poverty, and the town ostracized her and the other returnees for not killing themselves. I guess that's enough suffering for me, but perhaps not for others.
Kodra aka Qanon something
December 9, 2023 at 5:13 AM
@hacja
"First, @indyfan I really don't think this marriage is going to happen, so our discussion will be moot. But if it does, I don't think its any more outrageous than what happened in Joseon real life history: child brides, concubines, eunuchs, slaves."
Yes, many outrages things happened in Joseon but mostly were forced upon them. The difference I find in this show is the implied notion that they are in love. And that is wrong on many levels then and more so ow. First, if the genders were reversed, it would have been an uproar here in everywhere, and we would we have many comments about patriarchy and so forth. Second, and most importantly, in this present times that we are living, when there is a lot of push to normalize pedophilia and to manipulate the population that it is ok because the child gives consent or that the children can decide at a young age matters about their sexuality or when there is a lot of effort to sexualize kids at a very young age by exposing them early to this kind of talk, this is another way to manufacture future consent for those who have that agenda. Forcing similar age young children to marry was wrong then and is wrong now. Forcing them to marry with much, much older counterparts is a lot worse. But here we are, not only accepting but even wanting and earning such marriage because it is sugested that they are fated because they are in love. So if we are ok here, are we going to be ok in rl down the road, in say..10-20 years?
And for the third reason...this is what the writer thought of what an independent strong women should end up with? A child? Is this all she could do? Or is she drawn to him because she surely has power over him because of her being the mature one? Really? So then this is the ideal solution for so called independent women, to be with children because now they have the power in that relationship? So she is not wise enough, charming enough, strong enough, kind enough or even cunning enough to subdue a male more equal to her? She claims that she wants someone worthy of her respect? A child CP that his accomplishment thus far is only because he was lucky enough to be born in the royal family and his status given was only because of his birth? But again, a 14 year old child?
indyfan
December 7, 2023 at 8:21 PM
@asianromance Yes! Other alternatives are possible. I liked that last option as well.
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5 Kurama
December 7, 2023 at 5:51 AM
This show is so great!
Our characters grieved differently. Jung-Woo was indifferent to his wife at all. He loved her and tried to find her murderer since the beginning. But he still tried to get his life back, he doesn't like to be useless. Soon-Deok carried her husband and didn't let him go. For her, he's the only one. It was touching to see ung-Woo telling her she didn't need to forget.
So many couples!
- Soon-Goo and Sam-Soon : Done !
- Boo-Gyeom and Ye-Jin : One of them was finally honest with his feelings and won't marry the wrong girl.
- Shi-Yeol and Du-Ri : both are stubborn.
- 23 found his love.
- 12 found his love too.
- Our main couple... the road is long for them... But they gave so many poignant moments. How may times a ML can confess and get rejected? 😅 But his letter was beautiful 🥰
- For Ha-Na and the Crown Prince, I don't think it's love between them but respect and friendship, kinda like soulmate but as friends.
For the politics, the revelation about the first son's death will change Lady Park's support to her husband. She loves her family, she respects Jung-Woo, so I hope she will make the right choice.
The humor is still present. O Bong's reactions were priceless! He's so cute because he wants his master to be free to marry again.
Jung-Woo learning swimming, wrestling and sword fighting in books. He's lucky to have long arms! But he clearly has strong abs to to go to bed and get up from bed like he did :p
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Dramaforever
December 7, 2023 at 5:54 AM
Oh Bong was the MVP of this episode. It was seriously the best scene for me, the way he threw up his HANDS. Peak comedy
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Kurama
December 7, 2023 at 6:01 AM
Poor boy, nobody told him for Soon-Goo and Sam-Soon.
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chokulit
December 7, 2023 at 9:01 AM
The way he worries about JW's future and health is sweet. I hope that JW acknowledges him in the future not only as a servant but as a friend.
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Seon-ha
December 7, 2023 at 4:20 PM
That adorably frustrated gesture? Here ya go!!
https://www.dramabeans.com/members/attiton/activity/1500212
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empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 5:33 AM
Second that! So good. 🤣🤣🤣
His long-suffering knows no bounds...
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bbstl 🧹
December 7, 2023 at 8:19 AM
I laughed when Jung Woo popped straight up in bed like that!
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chokulit
December 7, 2023 at 9:03 AM
And the teasing tone of the doctor.
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
December 7, 2023 at 10:06 AM
I've seen enough SF9 dance practice and variety show videos that I was waiting for him to do that.
The doctor is one of my favorite occasional characters. The show is doing a great job of making these minor roles stand out and stay both consistent and unique.
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Kurama
December 7, 2023 at 11:57 AM
The owner of the inn is really interesting too. He's connected with everyone and it was sad to learn he has a one-sided crush for the monk.
bbstl 🧹
December 7, 2023 at 11:24 AM
Yes, I love how the doctor and the King are both so dry, the doctor sees right through JW 😁
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sonai
December 7, 2023 at 9:30 PM
LOL! Bless Jungwoo for not exactly being the master of “poker face”, and constantly delivering opportunities to be made fun of. 😂
Plus doctor & O-Bong grabbing each opportunity by the hands (… literally when the letter arrived). It was hilarious!
empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 6:23 AM
He is so "nudge*nudge*wink*wink*
I lurve him in the last episode when he diagnosed the lovesickness in deadpan sly humour
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empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 5:52 AM
#greatcoremuscles
#sixpacklookingatya
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ar_arguably romantic
December 7, 2023 at 3:39 PM
I was worried about 23 and 12 being ditched, and now they've found their loves, who will actually call them by their names!
O Bong! I knew he was going to lose it when Yangban Farmer came by. Matchmaking is hard work. Jung-woo and O Bong had spent weeks training the potential grooms and then ran around all day during Dano.
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6 LaurenSophie
December 7, 2023 at 6:39 AM
"It’s hard to believe that the honor of the family was more important to Lord Jo than his son’s life."
Is it, though? I don't mean that in a snippy way, but this seems to be in line with Joseon-era thinking and is still present in a lot of modern day kdramas as well. Utterly awful and tragic, but not a surprise.
"I know this is set in historical times, but a ten-year gap where one of the parties is a 14-year-old? Come on!"
Word. It doesn't help that the 14-year-old looks 10, either.
Other Thoughts:
--I didn't really like the reveal that Jung-woo actually did love the princess. For one thing, from what we saw, he barely knew her (did they ever have a real conversation?) and for another, it goes against what the show appeared to delineate through his obvious reluctance to marry her in the opening scenes. I understand that kdramas save certain reveals for later, but this one didn't ring true to me at all and wasn't necessary either. I get that maybe Soon-deok is more likely to take his words to heart if he, too, still loves his dead spouse, but the story didn't demand such a revision.
--I'm embarrassed to admit this, because it shows that I didn't pay close enough attention to the story at the start of this drama, but I don't understand why a) Soon-deok and Jung-woo can't be together if she's a noblewoman (doesn't that solve the first reason--her being a peddler--that he thought meant they couldn't marry?) and b) why Jung-woo could research and find her noble origins but doesn't realize who she's related to through marriage. I don't get it.
Finally, didn't Lady Yeo-ju send that false message to the CP that he thought was from Ha-Na? So isn't she just as bad as the two men she's scheming with to prevent the CP from marrying? (And why again don't they want him to marry anyone? I'm confused).
--All that said, I continue to love this show. It's not just beautifully written but also shot in a lovely, immersive way (that scene of Soon-deok sitting and reading Jung-woo's proposal with the sun streaming in what breathtaking).
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Dramaforever
December 7, 2023 at 7:07 AM
I don't think they revealed in the show - But I read in reddit that a woman from a noble family can't remarry. If she was a peddler, she could have. I think it was a general Joseon rule and not a drama specific rule.
It was Lady Park who intercepted the messages sent between Ha Na and CP. She changed one of Ha Na's letters and sent him one asking him to meet her at the swings.
They don't want the CP to marry and consummate and produce an heir I think. They want to eliminate him and then probably kill the king, then they can appoint one of their own persons as King.
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LaurenSophie
December 7, 2023 at 7:17 AM
Thank you!
So regarding Lady Park, if she did that, then like her brother and husband she ultimately supports the murder of the CP, right? Which means she's just as bad as they are, and that's why I'm confused by the tone in the recaps and replies setting her apart from them as if her goal is different.
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Kurama
December 7, 2023 at 7:29 AM
She loves her family and wants the best for them.
For that, she's ready to kill. She killed the Princess, she tried to kill the maid, she tried to kidnapp the Prince to set up the Queen and let the concubin from their faction to be the Queen and her son the Crown Prince.
But now, she knows what her husband did to their own son, so it will be interesting how she will act.
Her ways are different from her husband and brother, she's more subtil and smart.
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Dramaforever
December 7, 2023 at 7:40 AM
She is written as a very layered character.
Yes, she is the 'villain' now, because she is the mastermind behind most of the issues CP and our JW face. However, she also deeply loves her family and protects them at all costs. We see this through her actions towards SD. While she wouldn't mind orchestrating the killing of a few people for power, she won't go as far as killing her own people (like her husband and her brother did)
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♡Peach_Mochi♡
December 7, 2023 at 8:58 AM
Exactly! If she had come across the two young men embracing, her first thought wouldn’t have been to kill both of them. Lord Min’s son would have been a goner eventually — she’d probably frame him and then have him caught “red-handed” and killed — but she would have preserved the life of her son for his sake and that of her grandson. But her impulsive husband took matters into his own hands and destroyed her nuclear family. She won’t forgive him for that.
moon.
December 7, 2023 at 7:21 AM
To answer your question, at least from what I understood:
a) The Joseon law during the time forbids noblewomen from remarrying. Especially for Soon Deok who is not only just a noblewomen, but who also happens to be married into a high status noble family and became the daughter-in-law of a high ranking Minister of the Royal court. Jung Woo's concern about not being able to marry her wasn't because of her being a lowly peddler, but because he's the one who can't marry if he's still part of the Royal family. So when he was confident enough that they'll accomplish their mission and he's able to leave the Royal family, he took the opportunity to propose to her.
b) He didn't exactly research on her noble origins. He bought someone else's noble status and origins to be used for her. The reason why he did this wasn't because she needs to have a noble status in order to marry him. He did it to protect her and to give her a new identity. Remember, at that point of time, he thought that she's really Lady Yeoju (Taeran) who is currently being hunted and framed for murder. By giving her a new identity as a noble, it can help to disguise her and protect her from danger.
For your last question, I assumed you meant Lady Park. & yes, she's the one who sent the false message. The reason why she doesn't want the CP to marry is because once he does, it will seal his position as the heir of the throne. Lady Park is the sister of the Royal Concubine which makes her the aunt of the Prince Jin Sung who is the one they want on the throne instead of the CP. So basically, she doesn't want the CP to marry due to her own family's self-interest and wanting her own nephew to be the heir to the throne instead which I guess doesn't really make her a good person in a way.
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Seon-ha
December 7, 2023 at 9:02 AM
So...she could still take up this new identity and potentially remarry?
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moon.
December 7, 2023 at 5:19 PM
Yes she would be able to assuming that the identity Jung Woo bought for her is of someone that is not a widow. I have a feeling that this new identity will come into play later on in the story to secure our main couple’s happy ending. I don’t think the scriptwriter threw this in without any reasons. In fact, the only way for Soon Deok to get married is for her to be removed from the Jo’s family registry and take up this new identity.
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moon.
December 7, 2023 at 5:52 PM
It’s only a matter of Soon Deok’s willingness to take this step. Right now what’s stopping her is her guilt (towards her late husband), loyalty towards her in-laws (specifically her MIL) and superstitions (believing that her late husband is her only destined partner).
empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 5:29 AM
There are potentially so many ways out, the narrative has foreshadowed it already.
1) Faked deaths / assuming new identities: c.f. Tae-ran (aka Lady Yeoju / SunHwa Temple monk
2) Living right under your nose in disguise: again, foreshadowed by both SD and her makeup/mole etc. and monk
3) SD married off a widowed Noblewoman to an old bachelor before. That was one of her claims to fame as the matchmaker par excellence
4) There is absolutely nothing tying her down to the Jo family -legally or biologically. NOTHING. Her son is not her flesh and blood - it is legal adoption of her orphaned nephew
I have to be blunt here: the only thing holding the OTP match back is SD herself (the life script she makes up in her head about who she is, and how much she loves her husband). There's a lot of misguided loyalty here.
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
December 9, 2023 at 3:42 AM
whoa, hang on there. I appreciate your enthusiasm for this drama but, well,
I am glad my parents didn't have the same cavalier attitude towards their non-biological daughters as you seem to suggest. I mean Row-oon is a cutie but most parents would not cast aside their children so lightly.
Adoptive and biological parents have the same moral and legal obligations.
Parents have been raising children regardless of their genetic ties since folks have been making babies. There are billions of adoptive parents, billions of adopted children. They are all real families.
And these days folks have the benefit of sperm or egg donors. I am not sure what biological ties are intended to mean. But I know what family is.
One of the reasons I am attracted to korean dramas is how often adoption is a regular part of a character's background. Dramas have shown good adoptive families, bad ones, and everything in-between. Just like real normal families.
So far, this drama is depicting a normal loving adoptive family. It is not depicting some warped kinda family where a parent uses DNA to excuse their bad behaviour. So I am going with the idea that SD is a responsible parent and her family is a consideration for her.
empressgirl
December 9, 2023 at 7:09 AM
No, I am not suggesting that she should cast off her adoptive son. In fact, I don't even see it as the son being in danger of losing a mother, I see him instead as gaining a father (in JW). Hence found family trope - which I have mentioned earlier the writer has already laid that groundwork for in earlier eps with the affinity between JW and the son he tutors.
Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
December 9, 2023 at 11:28 AM
I completely agree that the writer has been foreshadowing JW, SD and her son as a family unit. Rowoon's scenes with his pupil are some of my favourite.
Found family is the bond between neighbours and friends outside of the traditional legal family unit. Should the writer give us an ending where SD and JW are in a marriage-like relationship raising her son, that would simply be called a family.
Thank you for listening to my comments on family.
empressgirl
December 9, 2023 at 5:01 PM
Then, a blended family! ❤
Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
December 7, 2023 at 7:24 AM
I’m with you on the revelation that Jung-woo loved the Princess and misses her. Rowoon is convincing enough delivering those lines now, but I went back to episode 1 and it just wasn’t there. JW’s bitterness about sacrificing his career and being ‘sold’ into a royal marriage for the sake of his family’s position looks the same with hindsight.
The problem with them being together is that widowed noblewomen were legally forbidden to remarry, and if they did, their sons could not hold public office or become civil servants (more knowledgeable beanies can correct me on this). I don't think her MIL's permission will make any difference.
And MIL is involved in the scheme to kidnap and kill the Crown Prince is because the other prince, his half-brother, is related to her family and making him king instead would benefit her family and her husband's party. That means she's still on the side of evil for me, no matter how smart an sympathetic she otherwise is. She's a great character.
JW researched and found a plausible fake noble origin story for SD and is offering to essentially buy her a title. A fake, non-widowed noblewoman could marry him but a real, widowed one can't.
The later scenes between the leads in ep. 11 not only are heartbreaking, they foreshadow a bittersweet ending. JW has a path, although a difficult one, to being allowed to remarry, but there hasn’t been the slightest hint that Soon-deok can escape from her widowhood trap.
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
December 7, 2023 at 10:55 AM
I also was a littled disappointed with the reveal about the JW feelings for the Princess. This show has been so detailed and foreshadowing so much, that I felt a little betrayed by the narrator who only showed us negative things about the Princess previous to this reveal.
2nd point that I feel is very important on the whole Soon-doek romance- remarry thingy is that she has a son. She could lose her son. Her son could lose her.
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empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 8:45 PM
Technically they have no biological ties. He is her adopted orphan nephew (from the murdered gay BIL).
Secondly, the writer has laid a narrative thread where we know JW and the son both took to each other, and the son even told his mum: "I like my tutor because he likes you Mother."
In the event where nefarious plot of treason unravel and shxt hits the ceiling fan - we know this is a nucleus found family we can root for!
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
December 9, 2023 at 1:29 AM
While I agree that the writer has laid the foundations for them to re-form as a family, I'm not really sure what your point is about them not having biological ties. Adopted parents have the same obligations as biological ones. He considers her his mother. She identifies him as her son.
I think a story is richer when one considers the differing stakes for the characters. SD has particular obligations that JW does not. And she considers her son an important enough one to include him when she finally reveals her true identity. The impact of her behavior, her choices, effects more than just her. By bringing her son into the conversation, she is making it clear to JW that her son's well being is part of her decision-making as one would expect it to be.
While its fun to get caught up in the romance and fun is mostly what this is about, part the story, as others have noted, is the treatment of women under Joseon's Confucius laws. And a woman losing her child due to illegal or "dishonorable" behaviour is part of that story. No one else seems to be talking about that and it seemed important to me.
Although really I am mostly here for the laughs.
7 Kafiyah Bello
December 7, 2023 at 7:08 AM
I guess I am only one not in awe of this drama. It is mostly just fine for me. I'm in it mostly for Obong's snarky comments. I am glad that Jung Woo now understands what his stomach pains are about. I am also glad Oraboni got it together for Soon gu. I love them together. The OTP I can take or leave, but those two have my heart. as for the prince and the eldest sister, weird choice that, especially for a fantasy fusion drama, so no comment.
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8 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
December 7, 2023 at 8:12 AM
"Sam-soon initially tries to ignore Soon-gu but when she falls into the stream and he jumps in to rescue her, she re-falls in love with him."
I thought it looked like she was "drowning" in water shallow enough to stand up in.
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bbstl 🧹
December 7, 2023 at 8:27 AM
Oh yes. She was just fine sitting in the shallow stream. I told myself she just couldn’t manage to get herself out due to panic and general slipperiness 🤣
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chokulit
December 7, 2023 at 8:51 AM
Also her legs cramped because she's been washing her hair for too long.
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bbstl 🧹
December 7, 2023 at 11:26 AM
That’s right, I forgot that!
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♡Peach_Mochi♡
December 7, 2023 at 8:38 AM
I guess there’s no middle “ground” in K-drama bodies of water. Either they’re fathoms deep with no discernible plant or marine life, or they’re so shallow that you’d have to lie down to be at actual risk of drowning.
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ar_arguably romantic
December 7, 2023 at 3:51 PM
The water was so shallow, I was worried about Soon-gu actually getting hurt jumping into it. But I guess the point is that Soon-gu will be there for her even if she's just struggling to get up from the 10 inches of water she's sitting in. His overreaction and protectiveness is what makes him swoony in that moment. Giving you the romance novel hero moves without there needing to be a truly serious situation.
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empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 5:21 AM
Re: "His overreaction and protectiveness is what makes him swoony in that moment. Giving you the romance novel hero moves without there needing to be a truly serious situation."
THIS!
The utterly gratuitous gesture is what makes it romantically extravagant. She is not in any life-threatening situation, but who cares? I would princess-carry my drenched lady out of that ridiculously-shallow stream like a Baywatch meme! He is probably dying for a chance to redeem his callous rejection of her lol
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9 chokulit
December 7, 2023 at 8:56 AM
Our OTP is aware that their love is returned, but there are barriers, which lead to all that longing. I want them to be giddy and happy together, raising SD's cute son, so I hope the writer finds a way.
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10 Semma Vetti
December 7, 2023 at 9:49 AM
Love this drama, love the writing, love the cinematography, love the costumes, love the music, love the actors! SO MUCH love!
The plot by itself is so good. I mean, in typical sageuk style, there is a palace power struggle. But I love how that is relegated to the background and in the forefront, the stakes are about a man and woman's struggles to have a career and to find and keep love. And in the sides are all these beautiful people finding themselves in the process of finding love, realizing what they think they want is probably not what they actually want. There are some murders, but the focus is on the heartbreaks and fallouts from those deaths. And the plot does not depend on people's stupidity to move forward. The humor is situational, evoking laughter because we understand these adorable goofballs. Hoping the writing holds it together till the end!
These two episodes.
Jon Woo and the princess - I don't know what to think - did he over-act in the first few episodes, just to hide his liking for the princess? Or did he retroactively convince himself he actually loved her, just to compensate for his lack of agency? Or is he just saying this to equate himself with SD? Are we going to be shown any more or are we going to be left to speculate?
Mama Park - she is the stand out character, the most satisfyingly complex one in this drama filled with layered characters. I love how both the moron brother and a**h*** husband are actually afraid of her. She follows her own advice "If you scare people and provide them benefits, they will be on your side". I am waiting for her to find out all SD has been up to and then find some solution.
Hana and the prince. Well, dunno what to say - 20 and 30 does not seem bad, but 14 and 24 is, well, not something I can root for. Can we do a timeslip, please, just for this? Because I feel Hana will make a brilliant queen.
I cant help feeling, despite JW's aching heart, ShiYeol and Ye Jin are a better match and so are BoGeyom and DuRi. Oh well.
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Semma Vetti
December 7, 2023 at 9:52 AM
*Jung Woo
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zindigo
December 7, 2023 at 10:25 AM
If I recall correctly, during the conversation he where he describes his love for the princess, there's a split-second clip (along with JW's words) that seem to suggest that he and the princess met prior to the wedding and that's when he fell in love with her. Although, if true, it's in stark contrast to the scene we see him in in episode one with the sulky face on his way to his wedding. 🤔
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
December 7, 2023 at 10:41 AM
He was lying about the princess, like when someone comes late for a date, and say "I'm so sorry, did you wait for a long time?" and the date politely answers: "Oh, I did not wait long! I myself just arrived two minutes ago!"
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Semma Vetti
December 7, 2023 at 11:15 AM
He does not tell SD that he loved the princess. He only tells her she does not have to forget her husband, just like he won't forget his wife.
The only person he tells that he loved the princess enough to give up his ambitions is SD's kid. Did he know SD is his mother and is listening in? I am not sure, but do not think so. Because, when she revealed that she is a noble woman, he was surprised and he apparently still does not know which family she belongs to.
So either he is deluding himself or there is more to the first few eps than we know. Or this is a hole in the otherwise tight plot. Or I need to re-watch - which I think I will. And yes @zindigo, I will slow down that piece and re-watch. Was it his imagination or did he and the princess have a history? And in any case WHAT was the point of team-evil murdering the princess? The show needs to show us!
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
December 7, 2023 at 12:50 PM
He also said to his father that if that marriage connection was so great he could marry off his other son, feel free!
It didn't seem like he was pining for her that much.
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Semma Vetti
December 7, 2023 at 1:19 PM
Could be a clever misdirect? But most likely, he is romanticizing his memories. Don't think he is consciously lying to make SD feel better, is what I feel. That feels a little out of character for JW.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
December 7, 2023 at 2:26 PM
I don't think we should ignore their own aching hearts, either. Unless the point of this drama is that people's hearts are stupid and short-sighted and shouldn't get a say in the matter.
Soon-deuk sensed a connection, but she does not know that Ye-jin has become an alcoholic while mourning the fact that the farmer can never be hers.
Then again, if a big scandal happens in the family of the Left State Minister, that could mean that Soon-deuk became un-nobled, maybe? And it could mean that Shi-yeol's mother decided against the connection and poor Yi-jen would have to "make do" with left-overs, when Shi-yeol had taken the "next best" and the farmer stood without a wife?
If poor Soon-deuk was unnobled, she could stand there, with an adopted child ... who would take her, then? Probably nobody, innit? 😉
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Semma Vetti
December 7, 2023 at 9:04 PM
I think that is where they are going... They are going to un-noble the whole family as traitors. Then of course farmer can marry YeJin. SD, though- I would love her and JW to quit being Yangban, become merchants and run their own matchmaking business - He finds the connections, she finds the strategies... If they don't have a happy ending, I will make this ending up in my head.
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December 8, 2023 at 12:41 AM
I am worrying about what will happen if they marry, because the introduction stated that the spouses of these matchmaker-gods always had short lives. So it would be fine if that ability was passed on, for example. Otherwise, since his first wife is an extreme example of this (because he is such a powerful matchmaker, maybe?) he could just be used as a sort of guillotine, marrying horrible women and thereby ridding the world of them. (No, I don't mean that, I just had the thought).
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December 8, 2023 at 12:42 AM
With passing the ability on, I mean he stops being better than average at seeing love, and then can marry Soon-deuk without her dying shortly after.
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empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 5:16 AM
OK - just wanna put it out there that I think the writer has foreshadowed all the possible loopholes and clever machinations that can be (il)legitimately used to wriggle out of these crazy corners the narrative is backing our harried characters into!
1) Remember an early episode of star-crossed lovers with disparate social class? They wanted to end it all in a double suicide in the windmill barn. SD shrewdly got the star-crossed nobleman to shave his hair and pretended to enter monkhood in despair, the hysterical parents relented and decide to marry him off to whoever would take him now (which allowed him to marry his true love who came from a lower social class)
2) the above solution I suspect would be used as a variant to solve the conundrum earlier raised by other Beanies -- the only way the aristocratic Ye-jin can legit end up marrying Bo-geum is for her family to be punished and disgraced.
Not necessarily. One can actually engineer a situation to "degrade" your own social ranking/eligibility to pair up with the love you really desire.
3) On that related note, I want to pivot to talk about our OTP -- while there are overwhelming odds stacked against them, it is patently untrue that the narrative did not offer any way out.
(a) One of Lady Yeoju's claim to fame as legendary matchmaker was the famous case where she married off a WIDOWED noble-woman to an old bachelor. Law of precedent ha!
(b) It is entirely legal and permissible for the widowed SD to leave her in-laws and return to her maiden home. That was already suggested by Lieutenant Jung her brother when he mistakenly thought she was forced to marry the sickly 2nd son.
It is *just* not considered socially desirable, it invites reproach and gossip cos this would look either like the Joseon equivalent of an IKEA product recall (you're defective goods!) OR you make your in-laws look like the Third Reich. Either way, it puts a poor color on both families.
(c) the last resort: also breadcrumb-ed by the worldly-wise maid - "You know how adults love? (pause) They elope."
There, your solutions. Take your pick
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chokulit
December 8, 2023 at 5:22 AM
I vote elopement, leave Hanyang and set up a matchmaking agency elsewhere, Bukchon perhaps.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
December 8, 2023 at 5:29 AM
I know that the whole family disgraced is not the only possibility for Ye-jin to get her farmer; it is just that it is rather probable that it could happen, and it would be such a fine "It's an ill wind that blows no good".
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December 8, 2023 at 6:07 AM
They have so many friends where they live. I hope they can find a solution where they do not have to go undercover.
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empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 8:38 PM
Actually, there *just* might be a way!
Again, I want to give credit to the writer whom I steadfastly believe has planted all the clues/set-ups in the first half of the story to solve all the love snarls and tangles of the second half.
I think it's in the pilot itself when the King & Queen huddled to brainstorm how to marry the CP off. Their Eureka moment? Finding Jung-Woo his son-in-law (aka the "Man of Anger") because "IF anyone at all in all Joseon can find a reason / technical ground / social justification for marrying CP off, it will be Jung Woo.
Usually the writer would set out all the key thematic concerns or plot mechanisms in the pilot - and let the wheels and cogs t-u-r-n
Now that he has actually fallen in love, the personal stakes & character motivation are so much higher too.
empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 8:40 PM
So ditto for his own marriage - if anyone can find a legal clause / precedent / technicality to allow them to wed, it probably would be our "man of anger."
11 DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
December 7, 2023 at 10:38 AM
I don't believe Jung-woo was actually in love with the Princess. He said that to make room for Soon-deuk that she was allowed to still love her dead husband, while also loving Jung-woo. He asked so fervently to please not get married to her, and predicted that his brother would be corrupt, since he was already selling his brother (JW) to get a position.
He also didn't actually seem heartbroken at her death; more like "Poor girl" and much more "Poor me, who will not get the life I wanted, much less the other kind of life that goes with marriage. I will be a shelved ware."
Not "Oh! My love! My life!"
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zindigo
December 7, 2023 at 11:03 AM
I'll buy that! This screenplay is so refined and nuanced that it seems a logical explanation for his "confession."
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Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
December 7, 2023 at 11:05 AM
The show has done nothing to make us believe that Jung-woo was actually in love with the Princess, so when he revealed his feelings to his pupil, it really threw me. I was grumpy with the show for a bit, so I'm glad that this week didn't end on ep 10 but moved on to the more action-packed ep 11.
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hacja
December 7, 2023 at 11:13 AM
On the other hand--he has been trying to solve her murder, investigating the poison, putting up a suspect connection board, just as detectives always did in the Joseon era. That might indicate love!
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December 7, 2023 at 12:24 PM
I think he has a strong feeling of a great injustice having been done.
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hacja
December 7, 2023 at 11:25 AM
One of the things that has always bothered me is the FL love for her "dear husband." It seems she loved him because he was child-like, lay in her lap, and she read him stories like he was a baby, etc. As he is portrayed as a sickly invalid who quickly died he has no physical presence whatsoever, definitely a ghost presence--perfect for a young bride to romanticize, since she never really spent any time with him--in fact I wouldn't be surprised if they never even consummated the union (not that that is key point here).
If Jung-woo is inventing a past love for his princess dead-bride as his thoughts change, it seems very likely that Soon-deuk's love was an immature one, that even if intense and genuine, she could re-evaluate as an older woman.
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ar_arguably romantic
December 7, 2023 at 4:09 PM
I think in the world of this drama, love at first sight is totally a thing that is happening left and right.
Maybe the only one to fall in love after getting to really know each other is the dead first son and the monk.
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empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 4:58 AM
RE: "it seems very likely that Soon-deuk's love was an immature one, that even if intense and genuine, she could re-evaluate as an older woman."
I couldn't agree more, and I think the writer has intentionally left it there like a breadcrumb trail for viewers to question her life script that she recites and presents not just to others, but also to herself. (again, such a great writer)
Proof text: remember the first time she was thrown into emotional disarray cos their fingers touched and
l-i-n-g-e-r-e-d for a really long time??
Flustered, she went to consult her lil sorority of Aunts Agony - the maid outed her relative inexperience straightaway. The maid was only 3 years older than SD but she has already been married 3 times and her astute reading of the love conundrum was spot-on (in spite of SD's protests of indignation)
The line that nailed it: "You have only always been matching young lovers who have no prior experience. But do you know about adult love?" hmmmm
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Kurama
December 7, 2023 at 11:50 AM
I do think he liked her.
Because he talked about it with her son and he didn't know her real identity at this moment.
There was a brieve scene when they met. So I think we don't know everything that happened.
He was young when he married, so his his anger could have originated from the injustice of the situation but also from the grief.
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December 7, 2023 at 2:34 PM
Before the marriage he was pretty eager that someone else could do that job. He thought that if this was so great why didn't the Left State Minister have his own son marry that princess. He was angry that he could be chosen, like that, and have no say in the matter, and he tried to use Confucius to imply the princess's feelings were not the right compass in these matters.
He kind of imploded when his father said it was an order.
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ar_arguably romantic
December 7, 2023 at 4:17 PM
I would be pretty mad too. Not only because his love was killed. But he gave up his position so he could live with his love forever - that was the trade off he had chosen and felt like he was promised. Then she gets killed right at the end of the ceremony and it's like the biggest scam of his life. He's going to die a jobless, lonely virgin because palace security sucked.
I wonder if the reluctance shown may have been the public perception of his story. People were talking behind his back all the time.
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empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 4:35 AM
Re: "it's like the biggest scam of his life. He's going to die a jobless, lonely virgin because palace security sucked."
🤣🤣🤣🤣
With this quip, I award you the internet. Best summary of his predicament EVER!
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Semma Vetti
December 8, 2023 at 7:34 AM
Haha, true...
Semma Vetti
December 8, 2023 at 7:31 AM
I don't know if she was the love before or he fell in love after he realized he did not have a choice, but agree with the fact that what was shown was the public version of facts. "The outward wayward life we see, The hidden springs we may not know", except I hope we may be given to know in this show...
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empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 4:43 AM
I agree. I know I am in the minority report here - but I thought the narrative decision to reveal that JW actually loves the Princess makes so much (emotional and thematic) sense here.
Yet another masterful subtle stroke of the writer to debunk the sacrosanct pedestal position of "first love is best/immortal/unsurpassable blah blah" (which I feel is a thesis-antithesis tension she sets up between SD's and JW's respective stances on love).
Alas, so few have the courage to say it out loud: that they dared to move past their grief and love again.
Also, Ro-woon in his interview said this of his character: that JW is like frozen at age 17. He never moved past that. (until SD shoves him out of the way of oncoming Joseon FedEx cart)
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December 9, 2023 at 1:38 AM
I love that Rowoon said that. I have thought about it many times, when I saw this puppy-yardstick teenage-slamming the paper doors.
I also thought about the grown-up actor who decided to be a teenager for this role.
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12 KDramaTipsy
December 7, 2023 at 1:09 PM
I am falling more and more in love with this show with every passing week. Every couple here makes me giddy (well, except HaNa and the CP). I love them for adding a gay couple too here. Though their story was tragic and short-lived, it tied in seamlessly with the overall story. I'm also happy to see a Kdrama not use a gay couple as comic relief, like SGNS did recently. Hope the bookseller and the monk end up together 🤞🏻
So one sister is off the list. And what a way to go! I squealed when our stoic policeman jumped into the river 😍 The middle sister's man has got moves too! What the show does so well is that even the suitors who don't make it get their happily ever after.
About HaNa and the CP, I trust the show to not make it yucky. Even if they get married, nothing romantic is going to happen between them till the CP comes of age. Child marriages were a reality of those times and the show is showing that.
And finally, our main couple is moving along. In the most organic way too. Their conversations are so honest and self aware ❤️
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13 hydlls
December 7, 2023 at 1:25 PM
I love this show so much, it surprises me! A huge part of what makes this show great is how every single character is fleshed out and has a personality distinct from all other characters. Oh and don't even get me started on the abundance of love stories, they're all so cute and fluffy. Also love how everyone including the king, the innkeeper, O-Bong, and even the ex-minister of defense, all have amazing comedic moments and I just love it all so much omggg, definitely going in my top 3 2023 shows!
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14 ar_arguably romantic
December 7, 2023 at 4:37 PM
Thank you for the recap! So much is happening and we have this wonderful cast of characters that it must be incredibly difficult to be so succinct, but also reflect the energy of the drama!
Drama gods - please protect the hot monk!
"Why do you blurt out things without thinking?” - someone should screenshot this and have it be used every time a character says something stupid.
I'm so jealous of everyone who got to go to Dano. Love in the air left and right! Jump off a swing, fall into your match's arms!
Samsoon gave Soon-gu the highest praise - he was better than any romance novel male lead. And I loved how he confirmed that he actually really did enjoy her books. I LOLed wondering if raged at her volume 1 cliffhanger like so many of her readers in this drama.
I side-eyed Soon-deok matching Hana and the prince. I can see arranging an engagement that would be fulfilled a few years from now, but Hana needs to get married by the end of the month. Don't let your desperation to score a win cloud your judgment!
I agree with you about how none of the minor characters are wasted. It's part of storytelling to have main characters and minor characters, and shafting your minor characters means shafting your viewers as we have to sit through their scenes. I love how this drama make all the moments fun and interesting to watch.
I love Maeng Hana's jump off the swing. It's totally the male-lead-of-an-action-scene move. And her later comment how all she did was get off the swing to save the country for a moment and #12 went ahead and fell in love with someone else. Put it like that, it does seem like the guy was fickle! LOL.
Couldn't help but laugh at Samsoon crying at how her sisters are so oblivoius to her marriage predicament.
Confucian-Guy buying his fiance AND his crush the same hair accessory...*facepalm* But his smiles are totally dreamy. He's being so obvious in his crush that I'm surprised it hasn't caused any rumors.
And he has fallen to the ground like 4 times since this drama began! Will it be a running joke?
Soon-deok and Jung-woo are just so sweet and heartbreaking. The yearning is palpable. I had to hold my breath in some of those scenes as the emotions just come out. I love how they can be heartbroken and also hilarious while being heartbroken. I have mixed feelings about Jung-woo's revelation about the princes, but I do appreciate how the princess, in her last moments of life, wasn't some selfish princess.
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empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 6:16 AM
Re: "I LOLed wondering if he raged at her volume 1 cliffhanger like so many of her readers in this drama." 🤣🤣 we got a glimpse of that in the very comical frustration of Jung Woo at being left high and dry at the cliffhanger earlier
2) Dano is like a simmering hotbed of pheromones floating in the air. Gosh, I bet if you stand downwind from your destined love, you would catch lovesickness or get pregnant lol
3) Buying the same hairpin: yes, and I love that the writer has slyly slipped in that Freudian slip during his PTC when he keeps insisting: "The woman my mother chooses is my ideal woman." Yah riiiight.
4) Samsoon crying and her sisters laughing: hilarious how this show is filled with cxxk-blockers and senex iratus of all variety. The path of true love never runs smooth... 🤣🤣
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15 jillian
December 7, 2023 at 8:37 PM
I am all for Lady Park to exact her own revenge to her husband. I can't believe he killed his own son. I was actually glad that she opposed their plan to kill off Jung Woo. Lady Park needs the information he knows about what happened to her eldest.
I feel for Sam Soon being frustrated with her older sisters. If she only knew that they already found their soulmate and the agent of love need only to make their union possible.
Sam Soon and Soon Gu feelings for each other is now out. Yey!
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16 Violabelle
December 7, 2023 at 11:35 PM
I find this show really relaxing to watch which I appreciate mid-week. I really enjoyed these episodes but it did kind of feel to me like they were suggesting finding a husband/wife is basically like going shopping and picking the item of clothing that suits you best. But on the other hand they were starting to explore the contradiction between on the one hand having matchmakers find your perfect match and on the other hand the two leads finding love for the second time. So I'm interested to see whether they take that any further.
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17 empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 3:55 AM
Matchmakers is hands-down my favourite live drama -- the frontrunner amidst all the horses
To the point that I was furiously hitting the 'refresh' button yesterday (like, "Where is the recap? We need to discuss the bombshells dropped this week in group therapy!") I suspect rabies.
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chokulit
December 8, 2023 at 4:56 AM
Your "I suspect rabies" --> cracked me up. Thanks for that.
MM is also my frontrunner for 2023.
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Semma Vetti
December 8, 2023 at 7:25 AM
Haha!
I have that same disease!
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18 empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 4:17 AM
My highlights / conspiracy theories / burning questions -
1) Running theme of upending gender tropes / roles / stereotypes / couple dynamics continues unabated like a furious river: love the role inversion of Sam-soon-gu OTP in his confession of love (esp the part about how much he enjoys her shonen novel as a male fan 🤣) that's an outing from the closet of sorts lol.
2) Solving the mystery of angina: Finally JW puts two and two together and the penny dropped. I love that priceless line where he seized Hana's prospective match and exhorted: "Bachelor No 12. You hold on to this woman and don't let her go!" That line signals a tonal shift not just for his own love story, but the whole drama as we enter the last-third leg of the racecourse. There is an epiphany, a recognition, and a resolve.
3) The seldom-explored drama-land territory of second chances at love / moving past bereavement and finding life after love: For this reason, while I am initially surprised by the revelation that JW actually loves the Princess, YET intuitively it sits very well with my spirit. With this new revelation, his behaviour, history, rage, and reputation takes on a different albeit sympathetic tincture.
(p.s. to answer some Beanies queries: the flashback of his memories imply they got to know each other after he was unwillingly pimped out as Princess Consort, and before they actually got married. In that brief interim, he got to know her and in his words, " I love her enough to give up my dreams of becoming the premier.")
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empressgirl
December 8, 2023 at 4:31 AM
4) Destiny will work itself out: I actually love the narrative touch that in spite of all the "best laid plans of mice and men" their elaborately staged machinations and courtship rituals all go awry (hurrah!)
YET bachelors 12 & 23 BOTH found their true destined love matches in happenstance (23 stumbled on his girl on the way to meet his other girl, and well never got there. 12 flew off his swing and landed in the arms of true love).
But well, we always say coincidences is God's way of remaining anonymous (c.f. the Bible's most famous story of a widow and an old bachelor getting hitched by the matchmaking effort of the best MIL in history - the book of Ruth. 5 times it appeared in the book "and it so happened that...") happenstance. destiny in disguise.
5) 24-14: I am firmly in the camp of Beanies who rightly pointed out this inversion is merely deconstructing double standards prevalent not just in their times, but ours too. Just think through this in cold blood: the CP would have been married off at 14 anyway and apparently the entire Joseon nation has no issue with his absolute age at time of marriage (14yo).
SO is the real issue his absolute age, OR the age gap (seriously? but nobody bats an eyelid when men marry women 10 years their junior) OR the fact that the genders have been flipped?
aside: again, can I say - I love this writer. ❤❤❤
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Semma Vetti
December 8, 2023 at 7:23 AM
All this too! Thanks, @joanna!
I love how the beanie discussions are like watching the drama again and again through various eyes.
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19 velvetstuff
December 8, 2023 at 7:45 AM
I loved this episode as much as everyone else in this community did. The proposal in a letter was touching. Then when Soon Deok stood alone waiting for Jung Woo in her noblewomen outfit, I almost shed a tear. I'm happy she was the one to tell him, and he didn't have to find out through someone else. I hope the reveal of her family is fun next week!
About Jung Woo and the princess: Near the beginning of the drama, I was a bit disappointed that someone as intelligent, wise, and cunning as Jung Woo would be forced into a political marriage that would completely cut off his wings. He seemed like the kind of idealistic young man who fight for his beliefs. So I'm glad to learn that he had fallen in love with her. As others mentioned, he likely met her organically in the time between the proposal and the wedding, and fell in love. I doubt they had that much time to fall deeply in love, but I hope he was truthful that there was something meaningful enough for him to voluntarily follow through with his father's plans. Regarding why he seemed grumpy on the day of the wedding, perhaps he had fallen in love but still not forgiven his family.
The matchmaking shenanigans are so much fun! All that planning, but it only took a second for the bachelors to find their real match! The three sisters are so funny together! And Soon-Gu, can we all squeal together! He's just perfect and so so sweet. I loved the reason for him swearing off of marriage, and his misunderstanding kept him single until he found the right one! Fate and Destiny is so well done in this drama.
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20 DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
December 8, 2023 at 12:38 PM
Okay, I needed that detective wall so much so now I actually went and made a copy of The Prince, our Jung-woo's secret detective wall.
You can see it, learn from it, and correct it, here: https://www.dramabeans.com/members/CecilieDK/activity/1500744/
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21 DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
December 8, 2023 at 12:42 PM
Now we are talking about murders: Have people noticed how much the Defence Minister hates people just approaching the corner of not-very-strict-cis-het performance? He wanted to draw his sword on Prince Jong-woo just for seeing him on the swings, trying to teach that young nobleman how to swing (Yes, yes, I do hear it now, and that wasn't what I meant, but even if it was, each to their own, right? As long as they're honest about it).
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December 8, 2023 at 12:46 PM
He did one thing more, showing his immediate anger at anything gay, I just don't recall right now what that was.
I don't like that Jung-woo said that "anyone" would reach out to their enemy to hide that their son liked men, because it was about the honour of the family.
Eh what? Anyone? Would you kill for that reason, Jung-woo?
And he even said it right in front of that beautiful monk (whos beauty has not been wasted, @attiton remember we discussed whether he would stay a single monk? He has not been alone always, and maybe will not stay single. Somebody loves him).
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22 emsel
December 12, 2023 at 10:41 PM
@unit Thanks for the recap. I enjoyed reading the beanie discussion here after watching the episodes.
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23 Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
February 17, 2024 at 1:47 PM
I am surpisingly ok with a marriage between the Crown Prince and eldest sister. A testament to this writer as I am unequivocally against child marriage. This is the rare, first instance where I can foresee this particular relationship come out well. Let me explain.
In an historical setting like this drama, it's accurate to show marriages between younger people than the current norm. And having the man ten years younger than the woman fits with the super way this drama is turning stereotypical gender roles on their heads. It would of course feel more palatable had the directors and writers chosen an older actor; we've seen plenty of adult actors play teenage roles - so they could have had an 18 or 20 year old play the CP. Instead they chose a 12 year old actor to play a 14 year old character (yes I looked him up, he's 12 so perhaps he was even 11 during filming?). I'm guessing a deliberate decision to highlight this gender inversion.
Secondly, theirs is a relationship built not from passion but rather a platonic partnership between two intelligent people who love and respect one another. In a few years that relationship could develop into one of romantic love, and if so what better foundation than having these first years to get to know one another as friends, and in a way, colleagues? And if they never develop feelings for one another he's in a position to take a concubine and continue with his queen as advisor or even set her aside to a peaceful place of her own.
The families here will not push this couple into anything they're not ready for. No power trips demanding an heir from oldest sister's caring mom, the kind queen, or THE most AWESOME king EVER. So, no pressure from political or family machinations.
And finally, there's no stereotypical older man with a young girl bride, with all its awful power imbalance and implied rape. Here it's the youth, the Crown Prince, who has more power! So they balance each other. She's older and more mature and he is the future king. Like the well crafted writing so far, I am trusting that this storyline will end tastefully and well. Please don't let me down, show.
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