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Mom and Dad are officially dating, which shifts the dynamic between mother and daughter a bit. While Mom continues to put herself at the center, our new third wheel takes some pressure off our overburdened cop. And with all these well-observed relationships tugging at my emotions, I’m forgiving any of the interjected nonsense that takes place in between.

 
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When we ended last week, Jin-hee had just discovered that her mother’s new flirtation (none other than Jin-hee’s dad) would be joining them on vacation. As I had hoped, the drama treats the situation with respect and doesn’t take it lightly when Jin-hee is super angry at her mother.

Eun-mi, though, steps up her self-centered routine and basically tells Jin-hee to get over it. She’s brought Jin-hong along to seduce him — and also because he’s paying. But being there puts Jin-hong in an awkward situation, wanting to please both Eun-mi and Jin-hee, which is impossible because the two never get along or agree on anything.

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At the start, Jin-hong takes Jin-hee’s side when it comes to decision-making about the trip. When she wants to eat lobster as their first meal, and Eun-mi doesn’t, he chooses the seafood place – even though he’s allergic to shellfish. Everyone finds out about this self-sacrificing decision when he breaks out in hives after accidentally eating something he shouldn’t.

All around, Jin-hong is easily embarrassed, very sensitive, and overly eager to please. All of this annoys Eun-mi, who’s starting to regret inviting him. Not only do they have nothing in common (he goes to bed early and gets up before dawn to read books), but she really can’t stand that he’s not taking her side about all the petty things she and Jin-hee argue about. His presence there is actually making things a lot worse between the women.

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Things start to change when the three are waiting in line at a tourist attraction and a man collapses nearby. Jin-hong dives into doctor mode immediately, diagnosing a possible stroke and taking charge to keep the man alive until the medics arrive. Both Eun-mi and Jin-hee look impressed and each follows his command to take the man’s pulse and call an ambulance (which is cute because it uses each of their skills as a physical therapist and a police officer).

Afterward, Eun-mi criticizes Jin-hee when Jin-hee wants to move on and see the sights they came to see. Jin-hee goes off on her own for a little while and continues to feel guilty and sorry for her existence, while Eun-mi threatens Jin-hong for attention. She doesn’t want him getting close to Jin-hee and she won’t date him if he continues to try. Jin-hong ends up apologizing to her (just like Jin-hee always does).

Later, Jin-hee talks to Jin-hong (who she calls ahjussi) and tells him to just focus on taking care of Eun-mi and not her. His main concern is whether or not this would really make Jin-hee comfortable, and when she says that it would, he agrees. And this is where the real turnaround happens.

The women start following his suggestions for sites to visit and they love every place he takes them. And Eun-mi gets off Jin-hee’s back because she’s happy with all of Jin-hong’s attention. She’s so happy in fact that she asks him to officially start dating, and he can’t contain his smile. Finally, the women have a buffer between them that’s working.

The only problem is that Jin-hee gets so comfortable with Jin-hong escorting her mom everywhere once they get back to Seoul, that she decides not to put her mom on police protection. The murderer is still walking around somewhere but Jin-hee worries that if Eun-mi enters formal protection, her identity will be further exposed. So, when Eun-mi gets attacked one night while she’s walking home alone, Jin-hee blames Jin-hong for not being there.

Of course, Eun-mi was alone because she has an independent personality and she didn’t want Jin-hong to meet her. But Jin-hong guesses that at the root of the whole thing Jin-hee is really angry because Eun-mi called him first (instead of calling her) after the police arrived and arrested the attacker. He doesn’t take it personally when Jin-hee flips out on him and later tells her that he’s glad to see she’s so protective of her mother.

We’re not done with the killer plotline, though, because even though the attacker confesses to the murder in the park, it turns out they’ve got the wrong guy. The dude who attacked Eun-mi is the same one that’s been following her around in a baseball cap, but it seems he’s not the killer.

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We end this week when Jin-hong enters his apartment to find Eun-mi and another woman yanking each other by the hair and telling him he better stay right where he is. We saw earlier that Eun-mi felt jealous when she saw a framed picture of him with a woman, and then noticed his fridge full of banchan.

We learned this week that Jin-hong hasn’t had contact with his parents for the past decade (a thing he’s not proud of but that paves the way for him to date Eun-mi without disapproval). He swears he’s not married and has no other kids, so Eun-mi wants to know who’s dropping off the side dishes? The final scene is meant to make us question Jin-hong’s background, but I don’t buy it for a second. No one could fake this level of adorable nerdiness.

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The progression with Jin-hee and her sunbae Jae-won is moving at a glacial pace and feels mostly uneventful. The two somehow always end up together when one is drunk and the other is sober and that’s how they’re finding out a lot about each other. It’s clear there’s at least a mild attraction already and Jin-hee is interested to know more about why he’s been ostracized at headquarters. But Jae-won is very closed off and even when she tells him her story about why she became a cop (to protect her mom, physically and financially) he’s still not ready to offer up his own story.

One of the major threads I’m looking forward to in the coming episodes is how Jin-hee will come to terms with having her father in her life. Various times this week both she and Eun-mi mentioned that Jin-hong was Eun-mi’s first love – and that’s it. Neither of them seems to think that Jin-hee should, or will, have any independent feelings about her dad.

But one of Jin-hee’s friends acts as the voice of reason when she asks, “Don’t you care at all that he’s your father?” Jin-hee doesn’t think she has any feelings about it – she never knew him, so how could she care about him? Yeah, I suspect there’s a lot buried under the surface that we’ll get to see develop before the drama’s end. And with a show that handles its main characters with such care, I can’t wait to see how it plays out.

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I have lost count of the scenes of Jin-Hee getting drunk and misbehaving/embarrassing herself/Jae-Won OR losing control and attacking people. It was somewhat funny at first, not so much any more.

It’s too early in the show, Jin-Hee mentioned something about his height and he appeared to be trying to tell Eun-Mi something when he was chasing her so I am not sure hoodie boy is the killer.

I started off liking Eun-Mi a lot but have been rethinking that recently. She brought Jin-Hong along when her daughter planned a special weekend together and then ignored him and shut him out when he didn’t agree blindly with her. When he was drowsy from the medication for anaphylactic shock, she was upset he wasn’t awake for her. Everything seemed to be about her. She pretty much ruined the trip for everyone with her attitude.

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I always forget to do this - thank you for the wee cap @dramaddictally

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Yes, in dramas there’s always a scene of heroine being drunk and they find it cute, but honestly here it is too much, she gets drunk and the one thing she always does is calling Captain or going to his house, which I don’t even find cute at all

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In the first six episodes I have always managed to understand Eun-mi somehow. Episode 7, however, left me partially perplexed.
To be honest, I can't imagine that Eun-mi will be happy with Jin-hong for a long time and won't lose interest at some point because he lets himself be bossed around too much. But I hope she stays in a committed relationship so that Jin-hee can free herself a little and lead her own life.

As for Jin-hong, I would like him to develop some backbone and show Eun-mi her limits for once. It's clear that he would like to get to know Jin-hee better. Even though he is constantly put in his place by Eun-mi as soon as he asks questions about Jin-hee, it would be more relatable to me if he spoke more of his wishes in his conversations with Eun-mi.

I don't understand how Jin-hee can get the idea that she is selfish. She takes care of so many people that she herself sometimes gets the short end of the stick. In that context, I also didn't understand the line about why she tells Jae-won not to be hurt if she later pretends not to know him.

As always, the scenes with Jin-hee and Jae-won are the highlight for me. What a laugh I had when Jae-won bumped into the gobbler and then ran away from Jin-hee while stretching his leg backwards as if to shake her off.

It's nice to see how the last two episodes tie in with the first episodes. While Jae-won rode his bike in a different direction to avoid Jin-hee at the beginning, he now even stops briefly to comfort her (but quickly adds another remark to make her think he was just trying to get her to do her job properly). Or when Jin-hee tells why she attended the police acadamy. By now Jae-won knows her much better and also the background, so he doesn't judge her anymore.

I'm curious to see which of the two will make the first move. If things continue at the current pace, Jin-hee will have already moved into the residence (because it is more convenient^^) and have her own toothbrush by this time.

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"In that context, I also didn't understand the line about why she tells Jae-won not to be hurt if she later pretends not to know him." She just came back from a dinner where the powers that be were bad-mouthing Jae-won. Her bff and former boss/patron also told her not to associate with JW bc he's career poison. So I think she was telling him not to feel bad if she cuts off ties to protect her own chances of promotion or whatever.

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I think so, too. I can see she is having two minds about it, hence her telling him the possibility of her action in the future.

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I know this is going against the logic and intentions of the writer, but I don't actually think Ji-hong is a good partner for Eun-mi or vice versa. They seem to bring out and amplify each other's worst qualities. I'm not saying they don't deserve to be loved or happy, but that I think Ji-hong needs someone kinder, less manipulative, and more mature who can challenge him to be more assertive without trampling all over him. And Eun-mi needs a man who appreciates her independence, strength, and strong moral center, but who will also not be afraid to call her on her crap when need be.

Jae-won and Jin-hee, however, seem much more compatible and good for each other. I think that if they were in a relationship, Jin-hee would encourage and support Jae-won finding his voice and living the life he wants. And I can easily see Jae-won meeting Jin-hee's emotional needs by giving her the respect and affection she obviously craves. He's passive, but not weak, while she's impulsive but not inconsiderate. They'd balance each other beautifully, I think, if the show would get going on this front already.

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I know this is going against the logic and intentions of the writer, but I don't actually think Ji-hong is a good partner for Eun-mi or vice versa. They seem to bring out and amplify each other's worst qualities.

I couldn't agree more, and I still have some hope that the show will have them end up apart, having learned something - anything - about first love and romantic delusions not being enough. It would be awesome if Eun-mi learned to live without centering her life around chasing men, but I have zero hope for that.

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@elinor, in as many words as you care to write, could you please tell me why you continue to support this drama?

This is the internet, so I need to add—I’m not being sarcastic, rude or mean. I have only the greatest respect and admiration for you and your opinions. I really want to know. Given all that you have said, I implore you to soothe my weak, weak psyche: Could you please tell me why it is that you like this show?

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OK. Why I’m (still) watching:
- I’m a fan of romance, Park Sung-hoon, and Sooyoung - all three in the same sentence is a powerful attraction. I’ll put up with an awful lot for the sake of the bits of their relationship we get, even as I wish there were more.
- I’m a sucker for a reserved, put-upon, grumpy, slightly dorky ML, and PSH delivers that like no one’s business.
- These are all terrific actors and I’m enjoying them doing their thing, even at the times that thing is annoying as hell. I’ve never seen Ahn Jae-wook before so I’m enjoying getting to ‘know’ him.
- Sometimes it’s a perverse pleasure to get mad at a supremely irritating character, like scratching a madly itchy insect bite - you know it makes it worse but you can’t stop.
- The side characters are so watchable, especially the police team and the pregnant teenager.
- The mystery is paltry but enough to fill in some cracks.
- The switch in family dynamics that shows up when mother and daughter are with other people, especially with Jin-soo and Jae-won, is much more watchable than mother and daughter alone together and keeps me interested in them.

I hope the show doesn't make me eat every one of these words with extra hot sauce next week.

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Oh, I see, @elinor. It’s that we agree, only my overarching affect is utterly panicked “I can’t stop but this is horrible” hatred, and you are more reasoned.

I can’t get over Eun-mi. She’s like Hae-won in HeartBeat to me or Mother Gothel from Tangled/Rapunzel. I should take you as a model and just get uninvested in her as something anyone could think a “woman/mother” is like. Problem is…she’s clearly not the villain.

OK. I’m done. Y’all enjoy your show. I’ll enjoy PSH like a stunned deer.

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I am on the same boat. I feel like they are just living their past. Making up for the past love. It’s like he is just catering to Eun Mi’s idea of love. What does he get in this relationship? He is acting like a high schooler pleasing his girl friend. This looks nothing like a relationship of a late 40 year olds.
He is lonely and is happy to be with her. But I don’t see this go long term without some mature conversations between the two.

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I absolutely agree with you, especially about Jin-hee and Jae-won. Both would complement and support each other well. Jin-hee would help Jae-won to get out of himself, to brood less and not keep things bottled up. Jae-won can give Jin-hee the emotional support and reassurance that she has always had to fight for.

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Thar's whatt I like about Jae Won. Quiet and calm but with backbone. Unlike Jin Hong, a people pleaser. I think the show is contrasting them, too.

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I think that at this point the storyline was still developing. I'm waiting for Jin-hong to have a reason for why he is being so tolerant and why he seems to be holding back his true self. Perhaps a past trauma or a deep-seated secret has yet to be revealed. As the narrative unfolds, I hope the script provides us with an understanding of his motivations and choices.

At this point, I'm still enjoying the show.

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With the exception of Jae-won every other character on this show is extremely unlikeable.

The mother is a developmentally stunted narcissist, the daughter is a drunk with poor impulse control, the father is a weakling who allows others to run roughshod over him, and the less said about the violent best friend/aunt the better.

With that being said, it better to actively dislike or hate a character than feel nothing for them at all, the drama is never boring and that works in its favour.

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Eun Mi pissed me off these episodes. She can be really selfish and it is obnoxious that she doesn't realize this. However she also made me cry a couple of times too. So kudos to Jeon Hye Jin. As for Sooyoung, I want to commend her on acting in the scene where she is pissed off at her father for not protecting her mother. Why she is acting like it isn't important that her mother is dating the father who didn't know about her is very weird. Come on girl, just admit ANYTHING about him. Her mother needs to get some self-awareness and admit she is punishing Jin Hong for leaving, which is why she snaps whenever he speaks to "her" daughter. Jin Hong needs to get backbone and insist on getting to know Jin Hee. I am still loving this drama though, I am fully invested in these characters.

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Apart from your take on Eun Mi's character, I agree with everything. I mentioned the same about Soo Young's acting at the station.

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I don't think she's snapping at him with regards to Jin-hee's because she's angry at him for leaving. She is snapping at him because she doesn't want a repetition of Jin-hee being a goldfish poop or anyone being nice to her daughter just to be close to her. Of course Jin-hong is Jin-hee's father but they ain't there yet.

And, I'd snap at Jin-hong too, if not for anything, for my child telling me she's being so nice to my dating partners for fear that they'd leave me because of her. Eun-mi doesn't want Jin-hee bearing that burden again, especially not after she has been plainly told in clear words.

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Maybe, but that doesn't make sense since Jin Hong does not deserve the snapping. He hasn't done anything to warrant it except leave when he too was a teenager, not knowing she was pregnant. The fact that she has consistently had bad taste in men who aren't great to her daughter is not Jin Hong's fault. He has done nothing but try, so I will have to agree to disagree with you here.

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I agree with you though. Jin Hong trying to be close to Jin-hee might have nothing whatsoever to do with Eun-mi at all.

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I low-key dislike Eunmi. Jinhee is a doormat whenever it comes to her... The trauma really molded her personality. A friend of mine in a similar situation pointed out, JH "shows such big signs of a child who has been neglected."

I feel like the show never addresses that Jinhee has valid grievances. I get that Eunmi was a single mom and all that but... It's always JH apologizing, it feels to me.

Sexy sunbaenim is such a cute, silly dork... I love him... Mom and daughter def have a type.

EP. 7... That cliffhanger... Why make it a cliffhanger if you reveal everything in the preview for next episode...

Imo the openings for this drama are super weird. Like, they're wild, it feels like they're from some other show. They always have some light emotional abuse / tragic backstory vibes. Meanwhile, the rest of the episodes go down a mostly comedic route.

I felt so bad for bbg doctor when JH was yelling at him. He gives such sweet uncle vibes. Also... Not him giving flowers to the woman who assaulted him in a public washroom? Tf?

I feel cheated bc the previews made it seem that JH was gonna drunkenly confess. That loveline is moving at a glacial pace.

Also, OP, no mention of the rude ass teenage girl who got pregnant, stayed at their home and then dipped without a single bye or thank you?

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I can't express in words of how much I am enjoying this show, even to the extent of finding minor characters like that teen girl who bunked in Jin Hee's house to be winning and lovely.

I know some peope do not like the mom acting immature, but the show did mention she is in her 40's and I do not see why she should be restricted to the limits to which she can enjoy her life just because she is A) old, B) a mom and C) has an adult daughter who 30. I see her as a strong woman who doesn't shirk her motherly or professional responsiblities, but at the same time fulfills her heart's desire. She could have easily blamed Jin Hee for missing out on things that other woman of her age do while she was single handedly raising her, but she supported her, is proud of her and protective of her ❤

I had never watched the actor playing Jin Hong before, but he has suddenly entered into my favourite Ajusshis list because he playing the "pushover" character with such nuance that it is endearing rather than annoying. This is why I am leaning more towards the mom and dad romance than the cop romance. Sure, Jae won is fun to watch with all his exasperated looks at Jin Hee's antics, but the drama is yet to disclose about his background, his motivations and the reason for his "dejected at life" feelings which makes it hard to care more for him and root for his snail's pace romance with Jin Hee.

Soo young has always been one of my favourite actors, but her acting range has found new depths because when went against her dad at the police station, she captured her anger (at her dad for failing to protect her mom), disappointment (at herself for slacking) and fear (of her mom's near escape from the culprit) in one single action. This drama definitely deserves the increase in ratings.

Thanks @dramaddictally for the recaps.

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Oh @dramaddictally I love the first picture you have choose for recapping these episodes. That's how I feel about this drama.

It also reminded me of Eun Mi happily skipping back into her office after getting the ice cream from Jin Hong. Jeon Hye Jin is really making the mom character work for me.

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Not nearly enough Jae-won and waaaaaaay too much Eun-mi in episode 7, and I mostly want to punch her (or let the killer have her, I don’t care). I simply can’t understand why Jin-hee needs to apologize to her. One bad episode feels like more when there are only 12 total.

Eun-mi reminds me of a traumatized child acting out to test their parents’ or caregivers’ limits. “Will you still take care of me if I do this? What about this? Look, I’ll prove I’m unlovable!” It’s a lot more tolerable when it’s an actual child doing it than a grown-ass woman with an otherwise competent approach to life. And I want to like Jin-hee more than I do, but her lack of impulse control (like Eun-mi’s) and outrageous violence (like Mi-jung’s) are hard to overlook. Her low-drama, slow-reveal relationship with Jae-won is a refreshing contrast to the parents, though.

I’m betting Eun-mi’s hairpulling opponent is Jin-hong’s sister (and that the kid in the photo is hers) as another parallel to Jin-hee and Jin-soo: two people with a sibling relationship being mistaken for romantic partners.

I'm actually really enjoying this show. 😆

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“Or let the killer have her, I don’t care” — this I can get on board with LOL

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It was a crime of how little of Jae-won we are getting. Episode 7 only had like a 2minute phone call! They better give a whole episode dedicated to Jae-won and his backstory!

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And I watched that phone call thrice 😅
I perked up when she called his name!!
With you on this. Need to know what transpired between them in the academy.

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I agree with everything you said and I admit when Eun Mi was attacked I for a minute wished the killer succeeded, imagine how good script writer writes an annoying character, intentionally or not, I know women in South Korea love acting cute and all, but pretty sure in reality women in South Korea are not that immature in their 30s or 40s as often painted in kdrama

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Jin-hee had a line towards the end of ep. 7 that gave voice to my frustrated feelings about Eun-mi's behavior in these episodes and, indeed, throughout the entire show.

Jin-hee receives the footage of Jin-hong at the bus stop, and clearly sees that the woman fell on his lap accidentally, and so he did not grope her. Yet the woman beat him up anyway. Jin-hee finds this ridiculous and wonders out loud (slight paraphrase here): Why would you apologize to her when she beat you up for doing nothing wrong?

That's exactly the question I was asking of both Jin-hee and her father about their reactions to Eun-mi. And I honestly can't decide if this show is brilliantly written by someone who is building to these characters having these revelations and confronting Eun-mi, or if we're just supposed to either laugh about Eun-mi's obnoxiousness or agree with her that it's always other people who do *her* wrong, not the other way around.

All I know is that I'm tired of watching endless scenes of Eun-mi acting in childish, even cruel ways to people who love her, dictating the terms of their relationship and experiences based entirely on her own preferences and whims, and then receiving their abject apologies whenever those people try to express their feelings to her. (And yes, I know there was a scene where Eun-mi apologized to Jin-hee, but it didn't seem sincere at all to me, and Jin-hee still ended up having to apologize even more strongly to her mother, so that scene did nothing to assuage my annoyance.) Jin-hee, her father, and her mother's friend all need to ask that same question: Why am I apologizing to this person when she's the one who (emotionally) beat me up when I did nothing wrong?

She was so rude to Jin-hong--mocking and deriding him at every turn, trying to manipulate him to take her side in conflicts with Jin-hee, and then dictating the (constantly changing) terms of their relationship--that I truly have no idea what he sees in her. Again, I understand that I'm supposed to get that he and his daughter both capitulate to this woman in the same way, but still, Eun-mi's actions are neither cute nor funny. Additionally, now that Eun-mi knows that Jin-hong truly had no idea that she was pregnant with his child, the fact that she's now telling him he can't and shouldn't care at all about his daughter is a) not her place (this is between Jin-hee and her father to decide) and b) selfish, as her only motivation seems to be to be able to do exactly what she wants when she wants without having to consider anyone else's feelings or needs.

When Eun-mi's friend stated the obvious--that Eun-mi seems to be completely forgetting and dismissing the fact that Jin-hong is Jin-hee's father--I cheered. But this was immediately undermined by the fact that Eun-mi was the victim of violence and the center of attention in the very next scene. I know I was supposed to feel bad or afraid for her, but I couldn't drum up any real empathy or...

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sympathy because once again, she didn't need to be accountable for things she had done and said to upset those closest to her.

I'm tired of the glacial pace of Jin-hee and Jae-won's relationship as well. When it looked like Jin-hee didn't come home after again drinking with Jae-won I was sure they'd ended up sleeping together or because this is a kdrama, at least moving in for a kiss only for one of them to pass out right before contact could be made. But no, it was all just set-up for Jin-hee to interrupt her parents on the couch.

Like I say every week, I actually do like this show a lot and look forward to watching it. But this was the week I was tempted to turn it off for good. To put it succinctly, I fear the writing is not setting up a satisfying resolution to the conflicts and character issues it has set up.

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omg I so agree with you. Why is everyone else’s job and responsibility to ensure she is safe? She is a grown ass woman

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You said everything I wanted to say and better. I'm BIG MAD at Eun-mi oof.

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The show is doing very little with her character growth. I am all for flawed characters as it makes for interesting story. I don’t hate Eun Mi as an individual but I hate her when she is with other people. The way she treats others makes me so angry. And we are almost at the last leg and we are not seeing any growth or maturity in her character. Mother and daughter are exactly the same way they started in Ep 1 and I am getting frustrated.

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Oh I don't hate her either. Just find it fascinating that she's much more petty and manipulative with people she cares about/ who care about her than she is in general. Outside of the family/friends circle, she's so much more likeable - when she's at her job and when she's kicking ass.

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Eun-mi clearly isn't a bad person. She's emotionally and physically strong, works hard, and advocates for the powerless. But like many people, when it comes to her own actions towards those in her life, I think she has a blind spot.

I could psychoanalyze her and say that this is part of a protective mechanism that she developed during her early years when to survive, she had to focus on providing for herself and her daughter and ignore thinking about the pain that other people had caused her. She simply did not have the emotional capacity to deal with anyone else's needs, either, which is probably why she ended up breaking up with all her boyfriends before things got too serious.

This is all understandable, but for me, it's not enough to explain away or accept how she treats Jin-hee or Jin-hong in the present. I don't need to see a radical change in her personality, but I do need to see some steps towards realization that although some of her behavior may be understandable, it has still developed to a point where she's being selfish, callous, and dismissive of the feelings and needs of those who love her. That's just not ok, no matter how many pregnant teens or other women in distress she saves.

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Very well said, you worded all my feelings towards that character better than I ever could have

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Honestly, Jin Hong could have had much better life if once Eun Mi didn’t decide she likes him, she basically bullied him into loving her, and I agree that I feel a lot of guilt in him, but not as much love for Eun Mi and honestly, with how she treats him no men will stay, unless he is into being dominated, then he found his domina for sure

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I want Jin-hong and Jae-won to run away from these women as fast as they can. Or I want Jin-hong and Jae-won to start pushing back. Hard.

I think the woman pulling Eun-Mi's hair is Jin-hong's sister. I hate the violence in this show, but still, I hope sis kicks Eun-Mi's butt. In case y'all haven't guessed, I'm not a fan of Eun-Mi. I know several single moms IRL, and they don't act like her.

I agree with @soyesterday; I find most of the characters unlikable. But like a train wreck, I can't look away.

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We are all suffering from gawker syndrome 😀

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Thank you for the recap! This show is turning out to be an odd one for me, as I like our tough and independent ladies but I'm frustrated by them in equal measure. I'm also admittedly a little bit disappointed that as the episodes roll on, this show is less mom & daughter than I hoped it would be.

Eun-mi is obviously a character of contention, and I feel that even in myself— I like her but I find her behavior very manipulative. And it feels like every time Eun-mi does something mean or passive aggressive, the show has a tangent that shows how hard it is to be a single teen mom. Which, of course, it is! That's incredibly difficult and Eun-mi is obviously very tough and determined! ...but that in no way excuses her current behavior, and yet Jin-hee always ends up apologizing AGAIN. The framing of the show also makes it difficult for me to tell if they're going anywhere with Eun-mi's behavior, or if it's just a facet of Eun-mi we (and Jin-hee and Jin-hong) have to live with. I am holding out hope that we'll reach a point where Eun-mi stops dictating Jin-hee and Jin-hong's relationship (or lack thereof. Even if it's out of protection, I still find it absurdly controlling)

Not that Jin-hee is free from her moments. This is a comedy so I don't take the exaggerated violence/drinking too seriously, but I do hope we have more meaningful interactions with Jae-won where she isn't drunk or discussing a serial killer lol

I'm almost certain the woman in Jin-hong's apartment is going to turn out to be an auntie or a sister or something. But maybe it'll be an opportunity for him to show some backbone

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Exactly my thoughts about the show! It's strange and doesn't make any sense.

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Eun-mi is interesting to me because she seems have a lot of trauma and baggage that very effects not only her relationship with her daughter but everyone else as well. She acts out to everyone to prove their loyalty to her, and in so doing causes rifts with almost anyone except her best friend and Jin-hee. That’s why I think Jin-hee felt the the need to apologise, to remain with the status quo but bringing up the one time Eun-mi was almost disloyal to Jin-hee is taboo as well. Loyalty to Eun-mi is sacred and she constantly feels the need to test others to prove it. Because well she passed the test didn’t she? She chose Jin-hee.

And there in lies the toxic nature of their relationship. Jin-hee has to feel grateful for it, even tho it hurt her. Every interaction therefore is exemplified in her mind, small gestures of love or hurt mean 10 times more to Jin-hee than Eun-mi.

With only four episodes I’m not sure how’ll they’ll address this? Considering the slow pace of any romantic interaction between Jin-hee and Jae-won, it looks like their relationship won’t be the crux for Eun-mi to no longer rely on Jin-hee as much and for Jin-hee to feel less guilt? Cause the way things are going Eun-mi will definitely be the mother-in-law from HELL!

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Since so many beanies have expressed their dislike about Eun Mi –which is totally justified, I was in rage myself watching her, I’d like to just ask this: is it normal for a single mother or any mother to act like this? I’m genuinely puzzled with her actions. I had THE best mom a daughter could ask in the whole world, so I just couldn't understand a mother acts this way. Someone addressed about this already. What's the purpose of this, show? Showing us how terrible she is a mom ‐-being manipulative and all, but kept on doing flashbacks on her good deeds. Does the show want us to just treat it as something okay? Because it is not!
And don't even get me start with the man without any backbone. But despite my strong dislike about Jin Hong as a character, at least it reminds me of something; people don't actually change. He was afraid to speak up to his father when he was a kid and unsurprisingly, he is doing the same now with Eun Mi. Grow up, man!
I've been venting so far, but I truly don't want to miss the good thing from these episodes, albeit very brief. Jae Won is so endearing! I'm so liking his character; reserved yet strong. I’d love to see him more! And of course anything with Jin Hee as well. They relationship is growing very naturally and I can see they respect each other deeply. I smiled ear to ear watching the moment where Jin Hee and he just casually talked on the couch. This is romance done right, with a proper pace and not just an insta love. It keeps us wanting more and rooting for them.

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I am still struggling with Eun Mi. I don’t get her. Then we see a small scene from the past and I am not sure I hate her so much anymore. Honestly I don’t know what Jin-Hong sees in her. It doesn’t look like he likes her out of guilt. Doesn’t look like he wants to be the father. Or he does but he doesn’t show it? Pretty much any relationship with Eun Mi feels one sided. it’s all about catering to her.
Her love language is something I find hard to understand.

On the other hand I love Jin Hee. She thinks and processes her feelings, makes sacrifices, keeps peace etc. There is something about her that I really like. I think she doesn’t want him to be her father but she also doesn’t hate him. I wonder if she is indeed making this sacrifice to not want a father so her mother can date him freely. If yes, my heart would break for her.

I loved that she is the one who reaches out to Jae Won. She wants him to be ok. Their relationship is precious. I love every scene they are together.
Her honest talk with him was beautiful. And Jae won telling her to be herself was equally beautiful. This is a couple I am totally rooting for. Jin Hee needs someone who isn’t selfish and he needs someone who can watch out for him, be for him and talk to him. I can’t wait for him to open up. And most importantly I can’t wait to know what happened back in the academy.
And Jae Won freeing his forehead for a moment had me go 😍😍😍😍

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The forehead scene was totally 😍. Then the way she imitated it with a "Police Academy Idol" 😂.

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I am one of the few who really likes Eun-mi and I have a lot of sympathy for the way she treats Ji-hong. Her experience with him was pretty awful and now, years later!, he turns up on her doorstep again. If she were to accept him again, it needs to be under her terms and rules. She has a lot of bad experiences with men as a single mother who would accept her, but not her child, and does not want to be messed around with again. It would be strange if she trusted Ji-hong again so easily. He has not given any reason why he came back either.

Ji-hong is a sweetie and I am sure he has grown a spine since his teenage years. He understands that he needs to proof to Eun-mi that he is reliable now and submits himself - which suits his submissive character anyway. There is a reason why he came back and it is not because he thinks that she is awful.

There are two things that I particularly like about Eun-mi. First, the way she reacted towards the pregnant teenager. She gave her the answers the girl needed without judgement or belittling and she offered help. Her unconventional attitude allowed the teenager to ask the questions which were troubling her.

The second plus is the way Eun-mi removed any obligation between Ji-hong and Jin-hee which both must feel on finding out that they are father and daughter. This gives both the space and chance to get to know each other as persons. Se is also protecting Jin-hee, in case she should form an attachment to a father who may run away again.

The women pulling Eun-mi's hair must be Ji-hong's sister. If I remember correctly it was his sisters who beat up teenage Eun-mi at school.

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She did mention that she loves her daughter even though she still gives her hard time and trouble, highlighting only bad things and that she loves her daughter in spite of it, could have said she loves her daughter and that her daughter grew up a wonderful person, she still used that moment to put guilt on Jin-Hee, indirectly, I didn’t like it, Jin Hee didn’t have it easy at all, I don’t like that mother character and the actress too tbh

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Thanks for the recap!

I don't think I would like this show if Eun-mi was actually either perfect or terrible as a mother. I like her because she's an immature person who is struggling to be a good mother. For someone who didn't have a mother and whose father was a violent drunk, Eun-mi is doing pretty well. She owns her own home, her daughter finished college and has a job, she has a profession--and she did it all with the support of her found family. People keep growing after they become adults.

Jin-hee was raised by an imperfect, immature person who loves her like crazy and modeled courage and hard work. Jin-hee is also a flawed person, because she felt insecure growing up as the child of a single mom in an explicitly patriarchal society. You can't have a comedy if the lead characters have no flaws, but you can't have a satisfying show if they don't resolve their issues and grow into better people. The flip side of all this impulsivity and difficulty keeping their temper is that these characters are brave and loyal and want to take care of people.

Having made the case for why flawed lead characters are good, actually, I want to make a prediction here. I think Jin-hong has been married and divorced since his parents separated him from Eun-mi. I'm not sure about the little boy in the photos in his room--either a child from his marriage or a nephew. Also, I think the person leaving him banchan is his sister. Also, Jae-won always liked Jin-hee, which is why he doesn't smile at her and gives her a hard time. We know for sure she always liked him.

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Totally agreed with @heikicampbell (aka Scottie) and @toomuchtv on Eun-mi.

From the offset, I believe the writer has designed this character to be different from all your self-sacrificing saint-type single mom. She is her own person despite making no less sacrifice in raising her daughter than those traditional saint characters we’ve seen so many times. I find this more real and refreshing.

As a person, she is capable, professional and responsible in her job (and I won’t mind being her patient), and civic (in saving victims on the street and giving practical advice to the pregnant teenager). Her ‘selfishness’ applies to only those whom she thinks she can (like her bestie) or in Jin-mee’s case that she has earned it. She’s no perfect FL and may come across as annoying. I actually like her a lot and wish her to be a little bit kinder to those dear to her but she is what she is. And Jeon Hye-jin is doing such a fantastic job in bringing this character to life.

This is very much my type of drama and I enjoy it so much that it’s my most anticipated drama in the week.

For the final scene, the hair-pulling lady on the right seems to be one of the ahjumma-trio in the clinic - the one who always envies others good look or fair skin. I don’t think the other one is Eun-mi. Jin-Hong will not have that annoyed look if it’s her.

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Her ‘selfishness’ applies to only those whom she thinks she can (like her bestie) or in Jin-mee’s case that she has earned it

I don't see her as selfishas but one who is taking previlege of the fact that her near and dear ones will love her unconditionally. She must have surely been good to those people to have earned such love.

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I don’t know, how can a good person abuse the knowledge that people love her and will be by her side? Acting like her at the age of 40 is so off putting, I get it she was carefree child who went after the rich and nerdy guy once, but she lived life and hasn’t changed

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I am now wondering if Jin Hong was just nerdy and weird and poor, would she still go after him as a school girl?

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That's exactly what Jin Hong's sister mentioned and ganged up with a group of girls and hit Eun Mi during their high school years, but in the later scenes when Jin Hong bandaged her the drama showed what attracted Eun Mi.

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Exactly, you word it much better than me.

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PS. I’m responding to @emsel’s post.

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On that cliffhanger ending...I didn't think the show was intending to sincerely hide the identity of Jin-hong's sister. I thought we were all supposed to immediately know it was her because of their backstory: The girls were friends until Eun-mi started dating her brother. Plus, they were holding onto each other's hair in his apartment, and his first reflex was to leave them to it. If they were truly strangers, he would have at least tried to diffuse things. Him leaving said to me that he knows there's no talking them down. Their hatred for each other is beyond him. And then there's them saying the exact same thing to him in unison. It's not their first time in that situation.

But I could be wrong. I guess we'll see in a few days.

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Eun Mi is absolute pain in the ass and got super unlikable, she of course would say she is protecting her daughter and that’s why don’t want Jin Hee and Jin Hong to get close, but it is absolutely stupid reason, I think father and daughter bond is more important than man and woman and doesn’t have expiration date, she needs to get to know her father.
Jin Hong lets Eun Mi get away with everything because he feels guilty, but how long such relationship will withstand? Woman abuses that sense of guilt and is getting out of control, of course she loves it that he is rich and absolutely at her will, plus as I understand, one of the reasons she never got married was her looking for someone rich and handsome, not just because men she dated were bad to Jin Hee, so the woman is even more annoying to me, I think she is the type who would guilt her daughter into taking care of her because all her life went wrong of her pregnancy, if Jin Hong didn’t turn up.
All in all, poor Jin Hee, such a difficult life as a child and as an adult, at least she has this nice guy to lean on, her captain.

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Well, I hated the events following the gold fish poop fight. The murder mystery is completely unnecessary and boring. I wish they kept the drama and police related events more of a slice-of life theme. It would have been far more relatable. The fish poop scene was very good but they ruined it with what followed.

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