See You in My 19th Life: Episodes 9-10
by DaebakGrits
We are barreling towards the end of our drama faster than a Truck of Doom, which means certain plot arcs are tied off quickly and sloppily so our romantic pairings have time to blossom. But of course, there is still one mystery looming over our heroine’s head, and the more she learns about her first life, the more tragic our story becomes.
EPISODES 9-10
See You in My 19th Life is still some of the best visual storytelling I’ve encountered in a long while — like, I can’t even begin to describe my appreciation for the scene of Ji-eum walking across the pedestrian bridge with her past lives trailing behind her. But, to be frank, I’m disappointed with how our latest episodes settled two major plot points. Although, given how unceremoniously they were resolved, I’m not sure it’s worth calling the whole car wreck business and the matter of Seo-ha’s evil step-mistress “major” plot points anymore. Instead, their poorly executed resolutions highlight just how insignificant and unnecessary they were to our larger story.
First, our story deals with the issue of Seo-ha’s maternal uncle being the mastermind behind the car accident. Last we saw Seo-ha, he was a mess, having retreated to his corner-of-woe while he processed the weight of his uncle’s betrayal. Heavy stuff, for sure, and Ji-eum decides this is the moment to throw down an Uno reverse card and backtrack on her previous decision to help him through, well, everything as Ji-eum instead of Ju-won. As she later explains to Cho-won, she’s realized that Ju-won is the one who can help Seo-ha overcome his guilt and move forward with his relationship with Ji-eum.
Like any sane person, Seo-ha doesn’t immediately believe Ji-eum’s fantastical story of past lives, but she baits him with her unique knowledge of the locked box Ju-won gifted him on his birthday. She hands him a note — with instructions to not read it until after he’s opened the box — and sends him on a scavenger hunt that’s more of a distraction from Seo-ha’s problems than a solution to them. It’s an effective diversion, though, that shifts Seo-ha’s thoughts from his uncle to Ji-eum as he ponders — at the bottom of his pool, of course — the possibility that Ji-eum really is Ju-won reborn.
Considering our story has been building up slowly to the reveal, it was gratifying to watch Seo-ha finally locate the key Ju-won hid in the pages of her favorite picture book and then unlock the box. Inside, Seo-ha finds a homemade autobiographical book written by Ju-won that corroborates everything Ji-eum told Seo-ha in the present. As you can imagine, this book dispels any lingering doubts Seo-ha may have had about Ji-eum’s fantastical tale of past lives. And so, he eagerly follows the instructions in Ji-eum’s letter to meet her at the merry-go-round he’d wanted to ride on his birthday.
Because Ji-eum had every intention of staking out the merry-go-round every day until Seo-ha made an appearance, she was waiting when he finally arrived. Their reunion is accompanied by a shot of them as children, meeting in front of the bright lights of the theme park ride.
It’s gleeful, magical, and taps into the carefreeness of childhood memories, and although we’ve seen numerous flashbacks of them together as children, this particular one has many nuanced layers to it. It’s joyful because Seo-ha finally recognizes Ji-eum as Ju-won, but it’s as much a goodbye as it is a hello because he’s letting go of the part of himself that believed he was at fault for Ju-won’s death.
Instead, as we’ve already learned, the real culprit was Seo-ha’s uncle, who supposedly wasn’t trying to kill his nephew as we were previously led to believe. Without any explanation for why Ho-shik had thought he’d killed the “wrong kid,” Seo-ha’s uncle claims his intended target was Seo-ha’s father — but even then he wasn’t trying to kill him. Just maim him a little bit. Because nothing scares a cheating scumbag and makes him feel guilty for neglecting his dying wife quite like an anonymous, non-fatal car accident that could happen to anyone. I’m not sure which has more plot holes: the uncle’s logic or the drama’s shoddy conclusion to the car accident conspiracy.
Initially — and I was probably in the minority on this — I liked the added mystery of trying to figure out who was behind the car accident. But now that it’s concluded with Seo-ha’s uncle willingly turning himself over to the police, I wished they’d eliminated the conspiracy element. What if, instead, the accident had been a simple hit-and-run, and the only plot twist had been that Ji-eum’s father was the driver? By eliminating the conspiracy, our story could have developed Seo-ha’s feelings for Ji-eum — particularly his willingness to overlook the sins of Ji-eum’s father in order to be with her — a little deeper before she revealed her past life to him.
Now that Seo-ha knows Ji-eum is Ju-won, our couple is inseparable. They go on an overnight trip to the bridge Ji-eum saw in her fragmented memories of her first life. Their mini vacation is full of a lot of cutesy milestones, such as: Seo-ha’s official love confession, which Ji-eum rejects twice to make them even; some fancy Swarovski PPL (bling, bling); and a bashful Seo-ha who initially blushes at Ji-eum’s suggestion that they share a bed. Unfortunately, even though their overnight vacation progresses their relationship and does wonders for Seo-ha’s happiness, the mystery of Ji-eum’s first life is setting the stage for a dark turn in our story.
What Ji-eum initially believed was a romantic union between her and her lover amidst fireworks, was in reality a dark memory of her stabbing past-life Seo-ha and then getting shot in the back with an arrow. The vision is so visceral it leaves her breathless, but she does her best to shake it off and ignore what she saw. Unfortunately, as she and Seo-ha are driving home, her vacation bubble bursts. Min-ki calls and tells her that Ae-gyeong has been hospitalized.
It’s at this point Min-ki finally stops withholding key information and explains to Ji-eum that she’s the reason Ae-gyeong is in pain from a mysterious illness. Apparently, the Universe wants Ji-eum to make new friends each time she’s reborn, and if she reconnects with loved ones from her past lives, they pay the consequences. Well, unless they were her enemy in a past life, in which case the powers at be give a free pass for revenge or something.
Min-ki does a rather poor job of explaining the situation to Ji-eum, and I’m not sure if it’s due to more plot holes or him intentionally being evasive for inexplicable reasons. I’m leaning towards plot holes because if he was simply withholding information because of his own personal connection to Ji-eum in her first life, then the drama could have easily explained the rules to the audience by way of Han-na.
Supposedly, after settling her unfinished business with Yeon-ok and saying hello and goodbye to Seo-ha, we’re led to believe Han-na has concluded whatever ritual she needed to complete in order for her to cease remembering her past lives. But alas, Han-na’s business with Yeon-ok was wrapped up as quickly as the car wreck conspiracy and provided the audience no insight into this first life business.
Min-ki’s earlier passive aggressive attempts failed at getting Ji-eum to touch the shaman bells again, but Ae-gyeong’s illness renews Ji-eum’s interest in her first life. She holds and shakes the bells again, and at first, her memories are happy. She sees Cho-won in her newest vision and smiles when she realizes they were connected in her first life. But then her memories take a dark turn when past-life Seo-ha murders past-life Cho-won. A part of Ji-eum is still trapped in the visions of her first life when Seo-ha finds her, and as his present face overlaps with the one in Ji-eum’s memory, she reaches out and grabs him by the throat. In tears, she demands that he die.
Our concluding scene was a very tough one to watch. Not only was Ji-eum’s pain a fist to the solar plexus, but poor, confused Seo-ha had the most heartbreaking look on his face while he tried to coax her into reality. Seo-ha has worried for years that he was to blame for Ju-won’s death, and after finally getting confirmation — directly from the source — that she doesn’t condemn him, this happens. While Ji-eum can’t distinguish Seo-ha from his past life at this moment, I can’t help but imagine how this would be Seo-ha’s old nightmare coming to life. Does he see Ju-won choking him, condemning him, asking him to die?
After a scene like that, it’s hard to imagine a happy ending for this drama, but I trust Ji-eum to be able to separate the past from the present once she returns to reality. Somehow, this still will wrap everything up in one of those big bows heavily featured in holiday car dealership commercials — I demand it! I’m just hoping there aren’t many more plot holes on the way to achieving said happy ending. But at this point, I think I will be forgiving so long as I’m given lots of cutesy moments with both our couples as compensation.
Cho-won and Do-yoon are still moving at a snail’s pace, but if Do-yoon’s distracted cooking and concession that he won’t be Seo-ha’s stand-in at social gatherings for the Conceited Chaebol Club are any indication, our boy is on his way to having zero ducks left to give. At the same time, Cho-won is finally starting to understand why Do-yoon has reservations about dating her. I feel confident that these two will meet somewhere in the middle, and if it involves a matchmaking attempt by the adorable Do-jin, then even better!
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Tags: Ahn Bo-hyun, Ahn Dong-goo, Cha Chung-hwa, Ha Yoon-kyung, Lee Bo-young, See You in My 19th Life, Shin Hye-sun
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1 Miss_elly
July 18, 2023 at 5:13 AM
It seems like all 5 were connected. And I think do yoon had something to do with cho won’s death.. as he was in the flash back too
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2 vienibenmio
July 18, 2023 at 5:17 AM
- I think overall the story is just getting too messy, with only two eps left. I'm also tired of cryptic scenes without any explanation, flashbacks to Ji-eum's first life that are cool cinematically but take away precious story time, and pool scenes (what is with the director and pools?)
- So my major issue is that it makes ZERO sense for everyone in Ji-eum's first life to look like themselves now. And I've seen people say that this is an audience device, but it's not: it's part of the story, because that's how Ji-eum is able to recognize Seo-ha, Min-gi, etc. If you go by the logic of the story, none of them should look like their previous selves and she shouldn't be able to recognize them right away, just like Seo-ha and Cho-won couldn't recognize that Jie-um was Ju-won.
- Similarly, I don't think the overall idea of being punished for reconnecting with people from your past life makes any sense. If it's such a problem, why were they all reincarnated in this life? And why is it okay if it's an enemy and not someone you loved? Why does the universe care about that distinction? I dunno, to me it feels like they're just making up all these rules as it suits the story.
- I really hate Min-gi. He's so judgmental and smug without giving Ji-eum ANYTHING to go on.
- I like how Cho-won just attacked Do-jin up in a bar surrounded by people, lol.
- Why didn't Seo-ha's mom give anyone her book when she was alive? She knew she was dying. Also, speaking of Seo-ha's mom, what exactly was the purpose of her being reincarnated? It doesn't feel like it was necessary to me.
- See my fanwall for thoughts about these episodes compared to the source material.
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RenOIshi
July 18, 2023 at 5:28 AM
Oh yes I completely forgot the enemy vs friends garbage. Nothing makes sense here!
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jessi
July 19, 2023 at 7:16 AM
I think I misunderstood this rule. I thought he was saying Ji-eum's mistake was reconnecting with people who are still alive from her past lives (Ae-gyong + Cho-won), not reconnecting with people who died and were reincarnated. But if that's wrong, the rule is completely nonsensical. The universe reincarnated her into a family with Cho-won, so it would be breaking its own rules.
(Also, not for nothing, if you can't recognize people from your past lives because they've been reincarnated, then you can't stop yourself from breaking that rule.)
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vienibenmio
July 19, 2023 at 7:34 AM
I think your understanding is correct. So you are right, if Ju-won didn't purposefully seek out Seo-ha and Cho-won, they wouldn't get sick. But I still see it as the universe breaking its own rules. If the universe is going to reincarnate the same people into the same lives, with the same or similar relationships, why would it care if people take that initiative itself? Your second point is also a very good one.
I acknowledge that I just really hate this plot point a lot, lol.
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jessi
July 19, 2023 at 7:49 AM
It's like the writers kept getting notes from executives to inject more and more drama into the story, and they overdid it in so many ways. Because, you're right, this rule is unnecessary and simply not good storytelling, the first-life flashbacks are overwhelming, Min-gi is too much of a cipher, and Seo-ha's mom is superfluous.
I haven't read the webcomic but I might just to see what might have been. (I've looked at some of your comparisons between the two and it seems like a better story.)
vienibenmio
July 18, 2023 at 6:39 AM
I just realized that should say "flashbacks to Ji-eum's previous lives." Those are what take up time that could otherwise be devoted to the story and characters.
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Qingdao: likes scented candles
July 19, 2023 at 12:09 PM
CRYPTIC flashbacks.
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Xpressemu
July 18, 2023 at 10:45 AM
Thanks for the insight on your fan wall! I’ve been wondering how this compares to the webtoon. I initially really enjoyed the initial episodes but started losing interest with the child assassination and evil stepmother side plots and wondered if they were part of the original story. It just seems with only 12 episodes padding extra, unnecessary (and frankly, garbage) plot lines was not the best choice.
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Qingdao: likes scented candles
July 19, 2023 at 12:15 PM
So agree with you about what each character looks like in previous lives. Even Ji-Eum has changed genders many times, so the other people could also be a different gender. And, could they live in different places in South Korea? And, after 18 previous lives, wouldn't Ji-Eum be more careful about dropping comments about her previous lives. And have the others who are reincarnated visited her in her previous lives? I agree that this Kdrama universe has no rules.
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Charlotte
July 25, 2023 at 1:21 AM
I also found it hard to believe that Ji-Eum's 'obstinate- impetuous-self ' stayed the same all through her many lives. Judging by her skills now, she has immense talents in pretty well everything from running faster than everyone, testing cars and running a business, not to mention mad skills at Spanish Dancing which she loves to flex in public...easily out-shining Seon-ha at every turn. But then if she's able to impress us all with the talents that she's held onto throughout her lifetimes, I kept wondering why she's been so agressive & manipulative with Seon-ah and quite condescending towards others in this life so far? Not a loveable personality quirk, so I really hope that if reincarnation exists, then there might be a purpose for coming back so often and that maybe we might all get to experience a little growth and understanding here and there and bring it forward as we go into other lifetimes.
Or maybe it's a slow, one-step-forward then a big-leap-back? Then again, perhaps this is the lifetime in which Ji-eum can finally let go of the angst she's been collecting, and along with that, her need to control others too. I'd like that, because for me, her interaction with everyone from the beginning seemed a bit too condescending, like she was a firm teacher or a dominating mother or an older sister...especially with Seon-ha. I get that she knows a lot from her other lives, but it was irksome. Worse still, it weakened Seon-ha for me, which diluted any chemistry between them. I think attraction can only happen when two people are equal, otherwise she's been a dominating caregiver and he's been an iemotional invalid for a lot of these episodes. It's very hard to light a romantic spark in that situation. No flutters at all from their kiss. That's why I agree with you @daebakgrits...her kiss was the wrong timing with someone who wasn't at her same emotional level. Must say I got a bit of the 'ick' during the kiss. He needed psychological, not mouth-to-mouth treatment. I'm staying to see how the writer ultimately gives us the bigger picture of lifetimes and reincarnation.
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ar_arguably romantic
July 19, 2023 at 6:05 PM
The first life twist has been interesting, but it really does bug me how everyone now looked like how they looked in the first life, since the drama's heroine's past lives even spanned different genders and ethnicities. Unless there was a god or goddess of fate up there who explicitly decided that the 19th life is where Ji-eum's punishment ends and the reason for the punishment and the resolution of everyone's bad fate connections would be revealed, so controlled things so that everyone would look the same.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
July 24, 2023 at 3:13 AM
Mun has his own way of being reborn, obviously. That's what with the pool.
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3 RenOIshi
July 18, 2023 at 5:23 AM
So it looks like almost everyone from her 1st life made a reappearance in her 19th life 😏 I haven’t read the comics and I have seen some beanies frustrations of how they changed the story.
This could have been so good. A modern day reincarnation story of enemies turning lovers.
SHS is marvellous as always but for once I can’t understand her character. I don’t understand why she is so much in love with him after briefly meeting him in her 18th life. Is it because she killed him in her 1st life? I hope so.
The only thing that is making me tune in each weekend is the second couple. I hope they get together in the end or have some sort of closure. They are the only ones I care about. Oh and also Ae Geoung. I hope she gets well soon.
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4 Unaspirated
July 18, 2023 at 5:23 AM
I don’t know what Min-gi’s motivations are (I feel like maybe I should know at this point?) but he was dropping truth bombs all over the place (side note: I love how well Lee Chae-min glowers) in ep 10. Her whole 19th life has really been about reconnecting with people from her other lives, but what a difficult thing to hear. Reincarnation is such a common concept in dramas, and it’s usually depicted as something positive, like Ji-eum would always tell her loved ones. It’s always, “I’ll come back and visit you”, “I’ll come back and take care of you”, “I want to be born as your mom again in my next life” and it’s never “I hope you have a healthy grieving process and are happy again even without me” but maybe it should be? That’s sort of what I’m getting from the show at this point.
I’m the most confused by Do-yoon’s connection to everything. He obviously recognizes the pond with the fireworks on some level, but we haven’t gotten many hints there, unless I missed something big. I guess the whole group was involved in whatever happened in Ji-eum’s first life (that she remembers), but it’s not totally clear to me what that was. Maybe we’ll get a more chronological flashback at the beginning of episode 11 so we can put all the pieces together?
I did love the moment when Ji-eum pretended to be possessed by the spirit of Seo-ha’s mother and really freaked out Yeon-ok. And of course the real highlight was the past lives trailing behing Ji-eum on the bridge - that scene took my breath away even as it annoyed me for being incomplete (where was the little girl who died as a toddler?).
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captainlaika
July 18, 2023 at 9:47 AM
I'd love to see a reincarnation drama where the message is more about this!! As is, I don't think 19th Life has done all the work to make this an effective message and not just a last minute plot obstacle
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mindy
July 18, 2023 at 9:52 AM
This is off-topic, so apologies, but I’m interested in where Heartbeat will go with this. It seems to be one of the few dramas where the main OTP is decidedly not the one with the past life connection, unless they do something weird later on. It’ll be interesting to see.
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vienibenmio
July 18, 2023 at 10:07 AM
Yes, I think Heartbeat is so refreshing! I hope it stays that way
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♡Peach_Mochi♡
July 18, 2023 at 12:50 PM
Same! I wouldn’t have expected “Heartbeat,” with its campier, more comedic setup, to wind up being the drama with a more interesting, thoughtful treatment of immortality, past lives and lost loves.
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Unaspirated
July 18, 2023 at 10:55 AM
I think you're right. And I haven't seen these dramas, so I don't know for sure, but I think that there are dramas that deal with this message/question/issue more outright. Hi Bye, Mama, and Yonder come to mind.
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captainlaika
July 18, 2023 at 11:25 AM
Hi Bye, Mama is on my to-watch list and I should check out Yonder!
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5 emsel
July 18, 2023 at 5:26 AM
People speak of power dynamics between couples, but this drama has been a good case study of emotional imbalance in a relationship. Always having Ji Eum be the stable pillar in the main OTP relationship had severely destroyed the chemistry that was finally visible in Ep 10 when Seo Ha was allowed to smile and take care Ji Eum. Seo Ha asking her to call him instead of counting leaves when Ae Gyeom was sick showed why Ji Eum needs Seo Ha in her life as much her in his. If only the drama had let these two develop romance more organically by allowing them to interact freely outside of the traumatic set up, it would have been beautiful to watch.
When Do Yun harshly rejected Cho Won, I felt like punching him with the fists he makes to control his anger, but when he got humiliated at the wedding invite scene where Cho Won just kept saying, "That's enough" made me immediately switch to his side. She told she has been in love with him for years, but when your loved one gets disrespected you do not continue sitting there and watch it unfold horribly. Cho won should have thrown the table napkin at the jerk's face, told them she was the one chasing him and left the place together with Do Yun.
This week's reveal of Ji Eum's 1st life prevented me from repeating last week's eye roll. Ji Eum bawling over a dying Cho Won had me stunned. I must say that sisterhood (not to forget Ae Gyeom) is the real anchor point of the show.
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RenOIshi
July 18, 2023 at 5:32 AM
Ji Eum crying over her sister was such a painful scene. Regardless of how we feel about this drama, she truly is a gifted actress there is no doubt about that.
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Bunny Sonaki
July 18, 2023 at 5:38 AM
Seconding this. It is a pity that Shin Hye-sun chose that mess though it was announced she has various offerd after Mr Queen.
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emsel
July 18, 2023 at 9:41 AM
She faced some backslash for working in Mr.Queen when that drama's writer subsequent work "Joseon Exorcist" got embroiled in controversy.
@mayhemf I think she lied low for a while and took a light hearted role for a favorable public image.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
July 18, 2023 at 6:06 AM
It was at that moment I realised - ah, she is such a fine actor. All along I didn't feel like she had to pull a lot of weight and she cake walked this role. But when it mattered she was incredible. I felt her pain.
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Bunny Sonaki
July 18, 2023 at 5:41 AM
Agree with the emotional imbalance point. If only Ji-eum got Seo-ha to see her as herself not as Joo-won and toned it down a bit. If we saw more than Seo-ha-s diving sessions
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vienibenmio
July 18, 2023 at 5:49 AM
Yeah, that bed scene left me cold and it should not have. I just don't really care about them as a romantic couple.
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6 Bunny Sonaki
July 18, 2023 at 5:37 AM
Fellow Beanies have commented before that repeating the accident scene is offputting and traumatizing. And this week I really git sick and tired with the insistence on including that scene. It isn't romantic, adds nothing and gets me nightmares. Also, we don't need a reminder that Seo-ha is suffering mentally. We all know it and wish he could see a psychiatrist. While Ji-eum is really pushy and aggressive in her approach. I tried my best to get behind it. But thinking that telling him the truth would soothe his pain is a wrong idea as it gave the guy more nightmares and diving sessions.
If I agrer wirh Min-ki on a point, it is that Ji-eum isn't leading a new life but going on with her life as Joo-won though I am a not a fan of his patronizing tone and keeping tge truth.
Pushy Ji-eum makes me uninvested in the romance. My favorite part is the first life but I want the story at full. They have veen teading us for a while now.
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vienibenmio
July 18, 2023 at 5:51 AM
Patronizing is the best term for Min-gi.
Just a nitpicky thing, but psychiatrists aren't actually that helpful for treating PTSD (unless they do therapy, but most of the evidence-based therapies aren't delivered by psychiatrists, rather social workers and psychologists). Therapy is recommended over medication.
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7 Kurama
July 18, 2023 at 5:40 AM
Personally, I had no issue with the car accident but more with the first life mystery.
The car accident was important for the plot and the development of the characters. Even if the father's passivity didn't make any sense. Like you son was almost killed, the daughter of a friend of the family was killed and your driver, but you are afraid for your compagny?
But the first life made things unnecessary complicated and takes the originality of the fact she was the only one who remembered her past lives, now they're 3 of them and Do-Yoon acted weirdly by watching the bridge on the computer and later on his phone. Why the plant fell next to Cho-Won at this moment... I don't think everything always needs to be connected.
The scene with her last lives on the pedestrian bridge was beautiful.
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latebloomer
July 18, 2023 at 9:43 AM
It wasn't just that Do-yoon was strangely watching the bridge with the fireworks, but he also had a bell from her first life. It seemed like he was a villain in her first life, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out he also remembers, and has stuck by Seo-ha because he owes him or wants to protect him based on what happened back then.
One of the problems with reincarnation stories is the idea that you carry the weight of your past lives, and aren't free just to be who you are in this life. And if Ji-eum keeps remembering her lives because she murdered Seo-ha, why doesn't he keep remembering his lives because he murdered Cho-won?
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8 welh
July 18, 2023 at 5:58 AM
Seo-Ha's uncle was so upset that the chairman was neglecting his sick wife and company that he arranged the accident to “hurt” him. Seo-Ha was never the target. OK, so the chairman and Yeon-Ok knew about it and covered it up? Talk about sweeping evil relatives under the rug. It was too easy.
Seo-Ha quip about a 1000 year first love can be now connected to a 1000 year of hate. Hanna inferred that people who remember their past lives are in a purgatory . . . they cannot peacefully move on unless they divorce themselves from the past and form new, normal relationships. Ji-Eum has not done so; in fact, she has gone beyond just remembering but actively interacting in the present to re-set the past. It puts everyone in danger, including Cho-Won. Her obsession with Seo-Ha as Ju-Won continues to be a hard plot point to accept.
It is getting weird that Ji-Eum is acting that she is still Ju Won, especially when she starts to date Seo-Ha. She was reborn so she should live as Ji-Eum not Ju Won, right? But it did not phase her that her future father killed her in the past life - - - is she numb to what is right and wrong?
Hanna brings Min-gi a talisman from he first life, and he says there are things still to do but Seo-Ha will be alright if everything goes to plan. He tells her to no longer look to her past lives and go forward and live the life she wants. Sage advice but Min-gi is still suspect.
I thought it was dumb writing to have Jang leave all the ORIGINAL evidence of Yeon-Ok's corruption with her (the gift from Hanna?) Ah, it was to let the kill go to his father and his legal team. Hanna tells Seo-ha farewell. It seems like piling on the past pain on Seo-Ha now that everyone he cared about is “alive.”
The first life mystery is confusing by piece meal approach of story telling. She was a Su as well as Master Su (Seo-ha); was he a brother or cousin? Was she under a shaman’s spell (who lived 4 more years than her) to kill Master Su? With those open questions firmly in Ji-Eum’s mind, the kiss scene was awkward. Then, trying to find his past life seems immaterial (to him at least).
Min-gi confirms the consequences of interacting with people from your past life . . . death. “It would not have been as bad if you were enemies in your past because you would have something to resolve,” he says. Good family relationships have to be let go or your loved ones suffer in the present. He blames her for NOT living a new life but reconnecting with her past life. The only solution to save Cho-Won, Ae-Gyeong and Seo-ha is to remember her first life then everything will resolve but it is hard to believe him. He is saying that she is a haunted ghost until that happens; a reincarnation that can never have Peace (death and the afterlife). It foreshadows at bitter sacrifice at the end.
Cho-won, Do-Yun and Seo-Ha are all principals in her first life? I guess in a thousand years we will all have our own dopplegangers. She took the shaman bells and ran...
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welh
July 18, 2023 at 6:00 AM
... away with Cho-Won (Seol) from possible shaman ritual sacrifice but we only see the killer in blue . . .Seo-Ha. But the editing calls into question the long haired man as part of the fractured dream. The bloody sword may be a red herring, a diversion from the truth, since we saw Su did resolve her sister’s murder by stabbing Seo-Ha in the heart. But for real resolution, she must have killed the wrong man. It is hard to get past a pushy, attractive, confident young woman who obsessively chases the memory of a young boy suddenly becoming a cold blooded killer.
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9 Blue (@mayhemf)
July 18, 2023 at 6:03 AM
I felt a few things a bit anticlimatic. The murder plot fell flat for me. I dont think its fair to blame the woman when the family just watched Seo Ha living in guilt and trauma. They did nothing to ease his pain. And it ended with father smiling creepily at him. It was def a WTF moment for me.
But, I did love the whole first life reveal. I did not expect to see Mr.Ha there! Now I wonder if he actually remembers past lives too? May be there is a reason he is staying with Seo-Ha? As a kind of penance for the past? He didn't seem too bothered that Ji-eum said that.
I liked the moments between the leads in their getaway. Wish we had more scenes of them. But given this is 12 ep drama, we are entering angst rightaway...
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pliplipli
July 18, 2023 at 7:35 AM
the murder plot was extremely anticlimatic. the worst thing for me was to put the third party families - cho won, Mr ha - smiling to the news as if justice was being made. hell no.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
July 24, 2023 at 3:23 AM
I was definitely waiting to hear who had meddled with the brakes.
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10 Snow Flower
July 18, 2023 at 6:08 AM
The only reason I have not dropped this drama is watching Shin Hye Seon and Ahn No Hyun in Goryeo hanboks.
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Bunny Sonaki
July 18, 2023 at 7:42 AM
Spot on. I wish we had a Goeyeo drama of both of them instead of that chaos. Or instead of the mysterical entry we got the first life as a whole and then them meeting each other oblivious to thr past.
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Snow Flower
July 18, 2023 at 8:11 AM
I hope there will be an extended 1st life flashback so I can get my Goryeo hanbok fix.
Can they just develop collective amnesia and start fresh? I suspect that's where the ending is headed.
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11 Lelly19
July 18, 2023 at 6:53 AM
I'm just gonna say...it was very naive of me to think they'd be able to seamlessly adapt the webtoon and give us a satisfying drama version to watch! My bad :(
P.S. is it just me (a dissatisfied webtoon reader) or is Mingi a very annoying character in a weird way??? Why purposefully withhold info from Jieum and then act all condescending when she doesn't know things?! 🤔
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vienibenmio
July 18, 2023 at 6:58 AM
I 100% agree with you on both points
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Gikata
July 18, 2023 at 7:17 AM
I know nothing about webtoon, but he still annoys me to no end, so nope, you are not alone, he makes zero sense whatsoever... unless he's a villain and is messing with others purposefully))
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ar_arguably romantic
July 19, 2023 at 6:18 PM
Mingqi is definitely very annoying. He wasn't at first, but now that he's deliberately holding back info that Ji-eum is looking for and for no reason - not even for a flimsy noble idiocy reason.
Makes me wonder - what's his purpose in this life? Is he really a fellow reincarnated soul? Or is he some sort of god of fate or reaper, jerking the characters around?
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12 Gikata
July 18, 2023 at 7:14 AM
This show is a scam. We were promised healing reincarnation romance, but it's just an endless masochistic savoring of trauma and useless drama. Well, acting is nice, visuals are pretty, some relationships are very cure and heartwarming (when they aren't unnecessarily complicated by MULTIPLE karmic tangles), but both story progression and overall vibe at this point are so wrong it's simply painful. What a wasted potential... If I wanted to torture myself some more with this "accept your cruel fate for the greater good" BS, I'd rather rewatch TTEOTM instead. 19th LIFE shamelessly tricked me into thinking it would soothe my heartbreak... Scam indeed. I'll watch the finale because I'm still slightly curious what the hell was going on in 1st life (doesn't it feel like we're being tricked AGAIN by this whole "past!Seoha killed past!Chowon" thing? so many cuts of that moment, but none showing him doing so DIRECTLY, very sus), but that's it.
P.S. Minki is an annoying creep no mater what his true intentions are. And Chowon is the one who really should move on here - whatever is DY's problem, he'd better to be left alone with it just like he wishes to. Dude has a charm of an icy rock of salt, not just her - ANYONE can do better than him. At least Seoha was a truly sweet boyfriend for the 5 minutes their dating bliss with Jieum lasted...
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Xococo
July 18, 2023 at 7:43 AM
I like the main romance’s pace, but agree with you that the second romance really wasted too much time. I watched Pride and Prejudice a million times, but Do Yoon is beyond Darcy now and just repressed lol. If his eventual acceptance of his and Cho Yoon’s love is lukewarm, I’m going to throw a fit.
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vienibenmio
July 18, 2023 at 7:48 AM
IMO they revealed that he liked her too early. If they'd kept his feelings ambiguous longer, it wouldn't feel as frustrating because the audience would be in the dark too (or busy speculating).
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Xococo
July 18, 2023 at 8:47 AM
Or given more breadcrumbs. Like maybe he was the one who killed Cho Won in her first life and for some reason that guilt has transcended time and is holding him back (or so I wish, if I were writing the script). Okay off my a** on back to work now ;)
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vienibenmio
July 18, 2023 at 8:53 AM
Or that he's holding back from her because there's too much trauma on both sides (her sister being killed in the same accident as his father). The drama just kind of ignores that complication, lol.
Gikata
July 18, 2023 at 10:46 AM
This is a very possible scenario imo. Honestly I would be really disappointed if we'll indeed end up with him rejecting her purely for the reasons he keeps giving her. THAT's just not it, sorry, dude.
Gikata
July 18, 2023 at 10:54 AM
Main romance's pace was good for first 4 episodes, then it lost the smoothness for me and never quite got it back. Chemistry still more or less works, but it's clear that writing is not intended to focus on this part of the story while pressing hard on the tragic angst button instead, to my utter disappointment.
Second couple, if we really can call them that, leaves me with nothing but "girl, why?" confusion. Opposites attract? Yeah, but not in this case. She gives this ship her everything and then some while he gives back an absolute ZERO.
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hacja
July 18, 2023 at 3:13 PM
@gikata Totally agree with this. But I think there is going to be an ending which will vindicate these failed romances. Ji-eum and Chowon will depart for their 20th life, realizing they have caused nothing but illness and sadness in their wake.
As the women say goodbye, Seo ha will begin sobbing, and making brilliant use of its showy cinematography, the show will show him melting into a puddle of water, and then transform the puddle into a beautiful blue swimming pool. Meanwhile Do-yoon will start clenching and reclenching his hand, and gradually transform into a giant bronze sculpture of a fist.
But then, just as it seems this will be a tragic magical realism ending, in a moving conclusion there will be an overhead shot of former Seo-ha now swimming pool and the former Do-yoon now fist sculpture, and children will be laughing and playing in and around them. And Ji-eum will do one of her gnomic voiceovers: "All my lives illustrate original sin, confronting death and evil, loving, remembering, forgetting, and forgiveness; but the truly blessed are reincarnated as things. With them the past is one with the present and future."
And just like that, we viewers will say--"I thought it was a scam, but in fact its revealed truth, although it was a little confusing."
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Gikata
July 18, 2023 at 3:46 PM
Damn, you nailed it with this "generic lame fantasy kdrama ending", even tho you probably invested more of your creative braincells into it than most of those shows writers do on a regular basis *claps in respect* If anything, it'd be hard for 19th LIFE to outdo the atrocity and disrespect that was MR QUEEN's ending... But I wouldn't be shocked if it still tries. It wouldn't be dramaworld if its shows actually competed with each other by trying to be better than rivals and not vice versa)))
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13 Xococo
July 18, 2023 at 7:38 AM
As a lover of Ancient Greek mythology, I adored the Greek tragedy that was this week’s episodes. Father tried to kill your lover? Check. Your lover is your former enemy, but you didn’t recognize him? Check.
And having a villain with enough guilt to turn himself in was a brief, but noble, attempt at fleshing out a character instead of the usual evil-til-the-end-for-no-reason character. Which I appreciate. I liked this episode, flaws and all.
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indyfan
July 18, 2023 at 10:33 AM
Absolutely loved the tragedy in these episodes. But sadly feel cheated by lack of its full development.
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14 LaurenSophie
July 18, 2023 at 7:43 AM
This week's episodes were definitely heavier in tone and subject matter, and focused on the cost of knowing the truth. For Ji-eum, that means having to pay the price for the "gift" of being aware that she's able to come back and see the people she loves again. For Seo-ha, it's all about realizing that now that he knows one truth, there are a million others he's going to be privy to that maybe he was better off not knowing. For Do-yoon, it's the fact that acknowledging his feelings for Cho-won are sincere, even if he says he won't act on them, makes it impossible for him to function and live his life without spending every moment cutting off his emotions. And, finally, for Cho-won, she's struggling with two revelations: first, that this happy reunion with her sister is based on a premise of continual loss and pain and second, that Do-yoon is right: whatever love they may feel for each other is, perhaps, not enough to change the reality of a class-conscious world. That doesn't mean she needs to give up on her feelings or stop trying to fight for Do-yoon, but it was obvious that the magical sheen has rubbed off of her love for him, and she now has to grapple with the reality of loving a man who is deeply affected by the casual prejudices of others.
I'm not sure how the show is going to resolve all of this in just two episodes.
Other Thoughts:
--I was happy to see Evil Stepmom get her comeuppance, but confused by Seo-ha's dad's reaction. Couldn't he have brought about this result earlier if he hated her so much? I don't understand their relationship, and why he continued to give into her. To protect the uncle? I don't know--he seems too selfish for that.
--All the scenes on all the bridges were stunning. It's true that the visual beauty of this show is unparalleled.
But I did not understand Do-yoon's continually scrolling and staring at the photos of the fireworks bridge. And his message to Seo-ha "There's just one more thing (to see)" was weird, too.
His overuse of salt to show us that he is distracted over his love, worry, and guilt regarding hurting Cho-won was cute, though.
--I wish the show had done more with Seo-ha's reincarnated mother. The actress is weak, but beyond that, she didn't serve much of a purpose in the story, and I don't understand how she met up with Min-ki in the first place. The back hug was nice, I guess, but her character has been so much in the background that it didn't really accomplish anything.
--As for Min-ki, the show is determined to keep his motivations ambiguous, which means he vacillates from seeming like a villain to now appearing to be hoping only for Ji-eum's happiness. I like the First Life storyline, but I wish his motivations were clearer.
--I really struggled to accept that Seo-ha now "remembers" what Ju-won said to him before she died in the accident. He didn't repress the memory; he just couldn't hear her! And if we're supposed to think he was...
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LaurenSophie
July 18, 2023 at 7:44 AM
finally able to read her lips in the memory, that's unbelievable, too. She talked all the time about past lives, anyway, so this "memory" wasn't necessary to confirm anything to him. I didn't mind all the flashbacks to the accident up until this point, but because it's now clear the reason for them was so he could have this realization that makes no sense, I don't feel it was worth it.
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vienibenmio
July 18, 2023 at 7:46 AM
Re: your last point, I had that same thought.
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Scottie
July 18, 2023 at 8:10 AM
Yes, to all of your points! I find Min-ki and his cryptic breadcrumbs of the first life story and what he wants to achieve in the present day increasingly frustrating. The first life relationships between all! of them should be a lot clearer now.
As someone commented earlier, it does not make sense (other than making it easier to film) that everybody involved in the first life looks the same in the present. The train of Ji-eum's previous lives characters on the bridge shows that incarnation is into a new person every time.
I still love watching it, though.
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LaurenSophie
July 18, 2023 at 8:18 AM
Yes, I agree that it's still an enjoyable show to watch. Sometimes it's easier to nitpick when a show is good, lol.
This isn't a fair comparison because they are two totally different dramas, but I wish Min-ki was more like Cat Man in "Heartbeat"--cryptic and sage-like sometimes, but overall, non-judgmental and helpful.
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drabea
April 9, 2024 at 6:54 PM
I wondered if the purpose of the first life characters looking the same as the 19th Life ones, has something to do with the confusing way Min-Gi has said a few times for her to remember the first life.
I find several things in this drama to be badly written or edited and confusing, rather than clever mystery revelation.
I also get annoyed, when dramas show too quick flashes of scenes, that you can't even register or pause the video on to try to see what was shown.
This has happened with most of the first life scenes.
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15 ava
July 18, 2023 at 7:54 AM
Ive been watching this drama, but I finally liked these 2 episodes. The rest for me, it was bleh. It was missing something. Please dont hate me, but I dont think the ML and the FL have any chemistry at all. There is like something is missing and I am not convinced that Shin Hye-sun can play a 22 years old.
I am very interested in the story itself, I really liked the connection between being immortal and being reborned 19 times.
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16 Kafiyah Bello
July 18, 2023 at 8:14 AM
I will echo a lot of the complaints for this drama, it is a pity the writing isn't there because the acting is fantastic. I don't understand why Min Gi can't just tell her. Why does she have to see it?
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17 MX
July 18, 2023 at 8:28 AM
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18 MX
July 18, 2023 at 8:30 AM
At this point I'm rooting for Minki because he is the Music Bank MC, and Seo-ha because of Her Private Life
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vienibenmio
July 18, 2023 at 8:37 AM
See, I hated him in HPL (I usually hate SMLs though). I loved him in My Name though!
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Lelly19
July 18, 2023 at 8:41 AM
Wait what?? Music bank mc?? Like, currently?? I watched it last week and didn't recognize him???? 🤣🤦🏻♀️
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mindy
July 18, 2023 at 8:56 AM
HE’S EUNCHAE’S CO-MC ON MUBANK?????
You just blew my mind omg.
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ar_arguably romantic
July 19, 2023 at 6:24 PM
Same! I just thought the mc was just an idol member from one of the idol boy groups that I don't know about it. I've been following mostly girl groups these last couple of years. As MC, he smiles more so it's harder to make the connection.
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pliplipli
July 18, 2023 at 12:11 PM
I'm so surprised people didn't connect that he's the music bank mc lol
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19 Lostpanda is celebrating My Ajusshi 💔
July 18, 2023 at 9:07 AM
Ok, full stop. Episodes 9 and 10 of See you in my 19th Life need to be talked about separately. It’s a tale of 2 episodes.
Episode 9
A beautifully shot masterpiece. Wow, just Wow. It was marvelous, it was gorgeous. I love the multiple connections that led to the infinitely gorgeous Poster Shot of the couple standing in front of the Merry Go Round. Well done. Bravo. The book, to the key, to the box connected to the wonderfully folded note – so well done.
That shot of all of her lives walking down that bridge – Wow!
That fade away image to the number “1” for the first life – Wow!
I love the cute rejection by Ji-Eum.
I love how Spring Sunshine Cho-Won (Ha Yoon-Kyung) continues to impress. I hope to see a lot more of her in the future.
Shin Hye-Sun continues to absolutely crush it and the same could be said for Ahn Dong-Goo
I left episode 9 in awe.
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Episode 10
Umm. What happened?
It’s like Episode 10 started filmed at 5:00 PM on a Friday and everyone wanted to get home early so they wouldn’t miss a soccer match against Japan.
Let’s start with the most glaring miss. The bed scene: Seo-Ha and Ji-Eum are finally together, but it felt like two 12 year olds meeting up for a sleep over. I think it needs to be mandatory viewing for the director on how it was done in Call it Love.
Why the sudden dark twist with only 2 episodes left?
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Gikata
July 18, 2023 at 11:09 AM
I thought there were not actual bed scene and Seoha just teased her with that - rather sleek for a supposedly shy virgin - move before innocently cuddling to sleep, not unlike how they did it as kids. It just doesn't make any sense otherwise.
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20 captainlaika
July 18, 2023 at 9:30 AM
Ah, I was hoping they'd go for some other explanation for the mystery illness/ bad luck. I don't super love the "you're breaking the world order" thing in this sort of genre (we're already in a state of fantasy, and romance is supposed to be comfort food anyway. why not???) but this is sooooo vague. I'd take any explanation with a bit more cause and effect. Something like "it causes other people to remember past lives, which creates spreading chaos and suffering, so the universe tries to nix it in the bud". I can work with that! Just anything besides a handwavey "it's just like that"
anyways, I'm still digesting how I feel about these episodes. I'm entertained for sure, but everything is happening so quickly I feel a bit muddled
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vienibenmio
July 18, 2023 at 10:10 AM
If the spreading chaos is a problem, then why are enemies okay? And why is it then okay for the universe to reincarnate everyone together? Why didn't Cho-won or Seo-ha get sick when they met Ji-eum in her 18th life and were very close to her for a long period of time? I feel like this has so many plot holes.
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captainlaika
July 18, 2023 at 11:26 AM
Ah, that was just a quick theoretical explanation I threw together but I appreciate your willingness to play ball! My point is more that I'd have liked an explanation with a concrete reason for the negative consequence. You're right that there would still be plot holes that would need filling though. Unfortunately, if I had the power to rewrite to that extent, I just wouldn't bother with this subplot lol
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vienibenmio
July 18, 2023 at 11:42 AM
Yeah, I was just trying to agree with your point that there isn't really a logical explanation for this "rule." Anything you could come up with has holes in it. Totally agree that this subplot is unnecessary and I would also get rid of it, if it were up to me.
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captainlaika
July 18, 2023 at 12:04 PM
Ah gotcha, totally agree! I hear that it's not present in the webcomic, which if nothing else, makes me want to check it out
Lostpanda is celebrating My Ajusshi 💔
July 18, 2023 at 10:12 AM
I had the same thoughts. It always bothers me when the "physics" of the world are somewhat arbitrarily altered to fit the plot. And why not just be upfront about it instead of keeping these "physics" rules a secret. This was also the main issue I had with Alchemy of Souls when the introduced the bells to strangely alter the character.
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21 indyfan
July 18, 2023 at 9:55 AM
I can see a few folks like myself who're loving the first life reveals. I wish I could scoop out the epic love story through the ages, and rewrite this drama with that focus. Would that mean many more scenes of ABH in a hanbok? Why yes. Only because the plot demands it. 😇
I'm looking forward to seeing how the first life mystery unfolds.
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22 MikeyD signed up
July 18, 2023 at 10:24 AM
I've stopped watching, or maybe have slowed watching to a crawl. The series seems like a random agglomeration of overused K-drama tropes. If I see one more chaebol heir who was was in a traffic accident as a child...
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23 Xpressemu
July 18, 2023 at 11:03 AM
I am dragging to the finish line with this one after starting out with an enthusiastic sprint. I will say that I think Mingi is Jieum’s enemy. In the scene where Chowon is killed, it isn’t Seoha who grabs his sword. Another hand (in clothing similar to what we’ve seen Mingi in) takes the sword from Seoha’s waste. This would make more sense given his current cryptic and completely unhelpful behavior/attitude towards Jieum.
But who am I kidding? Nothing made sense these past 2 episodes. Looking forward to ending this show this weekend and starting to read the webtoon! I’m interested to see how it compares. In my past experience, the book (or in this case, webtoon) is almost always better than the screen adaptation. There are some things a camera just can’t capture.
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24 JillofAllTrades
July 18, 2023 at 1:10 PM
Wait a moment!
{Spoilers Ahead}
I have yet to see these episodes but Seo-ha and Cho won are shown as a part of her first life? Did they deviate? Or the English translation of the Webtoon was too far from the original story?
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
July 18, 2023 at 1:19 PM
There are discussions focused on the webtoon/drama differences on the fanwall right now! Potential spoilers are welcome over there.
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sunshine_badger
July 18, 2023 at 5:26 PM
Where can this be found? I can't find it on the discussion page
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Seon-ha
July 18, 2023 at 5:41 PM
Please start here: https://www.dramabeans.com/members/vienibenmio/?page=fan_wall
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sunshine_badger
July 19, 2023 at 11:16 AM
Thank you so much!
JillofAllTrades
July 19, 2023 at 10:15 AM
Thanks! I was worried to post it here.
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vienibenmio
July 18, 2023 at 2:19 PM
I've been posting like crazy about the deviations from the webcomic on my fanwall, so head on over if you want to discuss!
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25 Linarrick
July 18, 2023 at 5:48 PM
I haven’t been commenting on the recaps because while I do find the story entertaining, after watching the week’s episodes I promptly forget about it. @ladynightshade made a brilliant post about this show on her Fanwall which I agree with. Also how other beanies have pointed out, this drama could’ve easily been 16 or even 20 episodes. A lot of plot-lines and romantic entanglements could’ve been more fleshed out. Yeah I didn’t at all care about the murder mystery, tho instead would’ve liked to see more from Ji-eum’s past lives. Honestly whole episodes could’ve been dedicated to it.
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26 too_much_tv
July 18, 2023 at 5:55 PM
Why does Min-ki think Ae-gyeong’s illness is because of Ji-eum? That makes no sense. Let's say she's been hanging out with this nice lady for 10-12 years, right? She basically replaced her crappy family with her previous incarnation's nice adopted niece. They were together all the time for a good decade. Now, that Ae-gyeong is, I don't know, middle aged or older? The actress is only 43 and looks great, but I think we're meant to think she's older than that in this role. Is it really persuasive that being in touch with her reincarnated uncle is the decisive explanatory factor in her illness? I feel like maybe he's lived with a lot of guilt from his previous lives from people dying who would have died anyway?
As far as what happened in their previous lives--isn't the purpose of all this reincarnation to work out these problems? Maybe I don't understand reincarnation.
I'm way less into this show than I was, but I'm also way less into a lot of dramas than I was. I'm happy to see these actors again and together! I had no idea that Ahn Bo-hyun could play such a gentle and thoughtful character after only seeing him in that Doberman series. He shows lots of different emotions here.
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27 sakuradaydream
July 18, 2023 at 6:00 PM
The amount of plot holes is so severe I need to read the webtoon in order to actually understand what the heck the main plot is because the drama really lost me.
I had to find out through reddit comments & this weecap that the car accident plot had already been settled?? It was so unsatisfying and confusing. I have to admit though I did shed tears during the merry-go-round scene but Seo-ha still needs intense therapy.
Min-gi was just irritating me by withholding vital information on his own accord for a couple of episodes now & only chose to reveal it when we are left with 2 eps. I heard he's 10 times better in the webtoon though.
I still wish they opted to put in more plot instead of random long shots of the view or the actors smh :')
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28 ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
July 18, 2023 at 7:04 PM
Something about these recent set of episodes have been woefully anticlimactic for me. They spent so much time repeatedly flashing back to the car accident and building up so many layers to the conspiracy… only for the culprit to be the most obvious candidates who, btw, didn’t even want to harm Seo-ha! And the reason given for committing such a horrific crime that left two innocent people dead is so mind-bogglingly bad that I don’t even want to say it. What a poor conclusion to a subplot that took up so much time that should’ve been spent on organically developing and building meaningful relationships. Not to mention, as @dncingemma so astutely pointed out, making the mistress character the fall-guy for everything bad in Seo-ha’s life and the white collar criminal behind the hotel’s financial troubles and the men in Seo-ha’s life being neglectful, abusive or downright murderous because of her “manipulations” is deeply misogynistic. Seo-ha’s father and extended family have been repeatedly awful to him for years - you cannot blame their bad behaviour simply on the ‘other woman’ and leave it at that. What a waste of time.
The past lives shenanigans have also been wearing thin on my patience. Now we’re just supposed to except that everyone meaningful in Ju-won’s life were actually people she was destined to meet because of her first life and not connections she naturally made because of her loving family and life choices. That automatically takes away from the choice of her decisions for me - that the relationships she formed were meaningful because it was the first time she found herself in such a kind and loving environment. If they were always ‘meant it be’ then who cares whether it was a safe space for Ju-won/Ji-eum? Drama logic says they’d be important either way. And don’t get me started on the walking plot-device non-character that is Min-gi; his entire role so far has been to stand menacingly in a corner and mysteriously glare at nothing. For someone claiming to ‘look out’ for our heroine, he has been supremely unhelpful. The rules he establishes for reincarnation also make zero sense. Why would contact with enemies be different from friends or family? If the point of the drama is that death is a natural process of life and people should move on from grief, then that distinction should be irrelevant. The writing has been beyond sloppy about the fantastical elements for a so-called fantasy drama.
Anyway, I’m just here for the secondary couple (first couple in my heart) now. They better kiss and get together in the final week or I will riot.
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welh
July 19, 2023 at 6:01 AM
If your reincarnated life is just pre-determined by fate, then why does Ji-Eum choose to re-live and re-construct her past lives in the present? After 18 lives, and her failed attempts to do so, why did she not learn the "rules?"
Even if the premise is that there is only one immortal soul per person, how does something bad in your first life allow you multiple second chances when the present world is different?
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too_much_tv
July 19, 2023 at 1:40 PM
One of the key lessons of K-dramas is, chaebol families are terrible, abusive and gross. There must be a counter-example somewhere, but I can't think of one.
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29 SummerMoon
July 18, 2023 at 8:28 PM
That line of 18 past lives behind her on the bridge 😭
2 more episodes to go. I want to know if they are really going to resolve the truck of doom storyline. I feel that's not all of it, there has to be more because why else would the brakes be cut and wrong kid was killed?
Still not going to read the webtoon :)
I just want cho won and ae gyeong get their happily ever after, with or without any romances.
After this weekend is done, I'm going to start on heart beat. My Jin guk, wait for me!
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Mrs Buckwheat
July 19, 2023 at 5:39 AM
Heartbeat has been great, I have been pleasantly surprised at how much I have been looking forward to and enjoying each episode. The actors, writing, tone has been consistent and the comedy has been funny.
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SummerMoon
July 19, 2023 at 11:19 PM
I want to start on heart beat too but I only have time for energy for 1 drama now. Was watching a few before 19th started but has to put everything on hold for now. I'll probably want to vegetate in front of the TV and binge watch at 1 go next weekend.
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too_much_tv
July 19, 2023 at 1:54 PM
I read most of the webtoon, but I don't think it makes sense to read it to watch the show. They always deviate in some way from the original source material, sometimes for the good. Take the wonderful show, Extraordinary You. Some of the best uses of symbols in that show, if they were in the comic at all, were so minor that I don't even remember them being there. In the show, they created a visual language.
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SummerMoon
July 19, 2023 at 11:24 PM
I think personally it's pointless to read it because like you say, they deviated from the webtoon. Some of the comments were quite explicit on that. I didn't care for the webtoon in the first place. I'm just want to know the ending and see how they tie everything up in last 2 episodes.
Thanks for your input 💖 may we meet again for the next drama ☺️
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30 panshel
July 18, 2023 at 11:31 PM
I need to know what Min-gi's deal is because he's starting to act like a serial killer with his shaman bells. Why is he so angry at Ji-eum when it's looking more and more like he was the one who had killed her because he and his men were standing on the bridge? When he blamed Ji-eum for killing Ae-kyung, it would've helped if you had told her five episodes ago!
It's so cliché that all of them were in Ji-eum's first life, even Do-yoon. Why not Ae-kyung too, pfft? It also undermines the drama's rules that they all have the same faces in their past lives when we were told that you reincarnate as different genders and races. Why is Do-yoon recognizing the bridge now when he's not supposed to remember?
How hypocritical for Han-na to meet Seo-ha knowing full well that he could die. It was never explained if this was the first life where Han-na could remember her past lives, or if she was just like Ji-eum and Min-gi as Seo-ha's mother.
When Do-yoon flashbacked to eating together with cute middle schooler Cho-won and how he'd clenched his fist, I said, "Let yourself be happy!"
I loved the walk across the bridge with all of Ji-eum's past lives but was distracted by the fact that they probably couldn't get Chae Jong-hyeop back for this scene. Many thanks, @DaebakGrits, for recapping!
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FormAnOrderlyQueue
July 19, 2023 at 12:14 AM
Hahahahahah!! Same here about CJH! Eyes instantly went to no.16 and thought, "Hmm, not him, no?" And then no close-ups confirmed it. Totally distracting from a stupendously beautiful scene...
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Mrs Buckwheat
July 19, 2023 at 5:46 AM
I really thought CJH would feature more in the show, they teased us with his fleeting cameo appearances and now with only two episodes to go, it’s looking more and more unlikely. Why show, why did you tease us? 😡
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vienibenmio
July 19, 2023 at 6:06 AM
That's been really annoying me, as well. Han-na knows the rule about meeting people from your past lives, so why does she keep breaking it? And YES about how the first life stuff is not only cliche but also undermines the in-universe rules about reincarnation.
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31 Mrs Buckwheat
July 19, 2023 at 6:08 AM
Me after watching the last two episodes…..
Thunks head on table and heaves a deep sigh.
@%$&@*+$%$&§§§
😔
What are the writers doing to this beautiful show?
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SummerMoon
July 19, 2023 at 11:25 PM
Lost steam. That's why I just watch and forget about it till the following week. I just want the conclusion now.
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32 ar_arguably romantic
July 19, 2023 at 6:37 PM
I'm a bit bummed at how much better this drama would have been with some better scripting. I've enjoyed the drama for the most part and all there aren't any draggy moments - save for those very few Seo-ha+step-mom scenes. There is momentum. And the drama has some gorgeous moments, especially the bridge scene. And Shin Hye-sun is amazing.
But I was really thrown off by the anticlimatic resolution of the car accident and the step-mom embezzling. After all that buildup, the resolution was handed to Seo-ha on a silver platter. And then near the end now, they come up with this new twist with everyone being in Ji-eum's first life, looking exactly the same. I am very excited to learn about the mystery they're trying to propose here because the drama seems to indicate that people who remember their past lives are being punished. So why is 1st-life-Cho-won's-killer not also suffering? The only two other people remembering their past lives are Hana and Min-Gi. Min-gi has been remembering lives for longer than Ji-eum, so it can't be him. And Hana seems to have walked off into the sunset already.
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33 mayyy
July 19, 2023 at 10:39 PM
the nine episode i had to watch it with speed bc it was kinda slow and boring for me lmao, im kinda hating mingi bc he is being soooo mean with jieum for stuff that she doesnt know like, boy isnt her fault.
it kinda doesnt make sense that in jieums first life the five of them (who seems to be connected) look exactly like themselves in jieums 19th life, idk but thats kinda off for me
im not being like a really BIG fan of the drama but ints entertaining so isnt bad, and bc i just finished watching when i fly towards you (cdrama) and my asian drama standar right now is a lil bit high soooo
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mayyy
July 21, 2023 at 12:15 AM
forgot to add but the last scene in the 10 (if im not wrong )episode of jieum watching her first life GIVE ME CHILLS like shin hye sun acting was SOOOOO good
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