Numbers: Episodes 1-2
by alathe
Who’s hyped for SPREADSHEETS? I know I am! After learning in the worst way possible how devastating the impact of a single piece of paper can be, our hero embarks on a revenge plot. His method? Fight paper with paper. But when he’s hired at a prestigious accounting firm by the man he once despised, things stop seeming quite so clear-cut…
EPISODES 1-2
We move through our hero’s backstory with the splendid pace of a financial pitch — though with markedly more pathos. JANG HO-WOO (L) is a scrappy orphan with a steely sense of justice. Roaming the streets as a child, he finds a father and defender in the kindhearted JANG IN-HO (Nam Myung-ryul). Of course, like all underdog protagonists, bullies flock to him in their droves. By the time he hits his teens, he’s solved more problems with his bare fists — and racked up more trips to the local police — than he’s had hot dinners in the neighborhood cafeteria.
Alas, one day, a far less punchable problem arises. In-ho works on a building site under Haebit Construction. It’s here that Ho-woo spots a gaggle of immaculately dressed professionals, whispering in arcane code. Copy-paste the values. If we cook this right, no one will notice. Ho-woo doesn’t grasp the implications, but he sure sees the results: Taeil Accountancy Firm declares Haebit bankrupt. Its assets will be liquidated — and the building In-ho toiled over, bulldozed.
Workers throng the construction site, protesting their ruined livelihood. They’re mercilessly beaten down by bat-wielding enforcers. Ho-woo scrambles to defend them. But at a single word from a man in a suit, everyone falls motionless. I detect a charismatic, morally ambiguous second lead! And indeed, this is HAN SEUNG-JO (Choi Jin-hyuk), the person who will come to define Ho-woo’s quest for vengeance. He looms over our defiant protagonist. Accountants, he declares, wield power of life and death over firms. And Haebit Construction? Is an ex-firm. He wouldn’t expect a thug like Ho-woo to understand. But watch, he deadpans, what a single piece of paper can do. That night, Ho-woo races through the construction site in search of his adopted father. He arrives just a little too late. Heartbroken and bankrupt, In-ho has already jumped to his death.
Ho-woo is tortured by grief. He can’t work out why this happened, much less fight it. But of one thing, he’s sure: if you want something done right… infiltrate an accountancy firm yourself. And so, armed with only his high school diploma, our hero faces trial by textbook. To the shock of all, he manages to win a place at Taeil. Turns out that’s only a fraction of the fight. At lightning speed, word spreads that he lacks a university degree. Subsequently, he is shunned. One by one, each new hire is recruited for an enigmatically-titled project: Lion, Zebra, Wolf. Even the woman supposedly running induction, the aloof JIN YEON-AH (Yeonwoo), is reluctant to speak to him for long. So far, the only one who’ll hold his gaze is his sad, empty Excel spreadsheet… and they’ve clocked up hours of face time.
Nonetheless, he’s a man on a mission: locate that scoundrel Seung-jo! However, it’s only when he flees to the rooftop to escape the judgmental stares that he finally meets the man who taunted him at his lowest. And that man is flatly unimpressed. Do you think, scoffs Seung-jo, that you’re being ignored because you didn’t go to college? Nobody cares. They’re just looking to make bank. Giving a novice the time of day could damage their profitability evaluation; when one person screws up, the whole team pays. As Ho-woo protests, he’s hit with the cruelest paradox of all. You have a duty to learn, pronounces Seung-jo, but we don’t have a duty to teach you. And then, the knockout blow: I wouldn’t pick you either.
For all his scorn, Seung-jo is hardly the office golden boy. As the son of Taeil’s Vice President, HAN JE-KYUN (Choi Min-soo), he ought to be. However, whilst our dubiously-principled deuteragonist is a dab hand at numbers, he’s got no patience for politics. Or, so he claims. He’s certainly the polar opposite of his charismatic father — affectionately dubbed “Joker” by his colleagues. On paper, Vice President Han is a smooth-talking champion of the underdog. His motto? Noblesse oblige. In other words: the obscenely wealthy should cast a few breadcrumbs to the underprivileged! You know, out of the goodness of their hearts.
Naturally, he’s up to his tastefully-tailored sleeves in corruption. There’s an upcoming audit for a media firm called People’s Entertainment, and he’s adamant it receives an unqualified opinion — accountant-speak for “all paperwork approved.” Unknown to them, it’s so they can be safely guzzled up by the Sanga Group. Up-and-coming yes-man, SHIM HYEONG-WOO (Lee Sung-yeol) is tasked with leaning on the audit committee. But his former mentor and manager of the project, KANG HYUN (Kim Young-jae), isn’t easily rattled. Sure, he tells his once-subordinate, handwaving the accounts would be simple. But simple for whom?
Indeed, very little at Taeil is simple. It’s a company caught up in serious internal strife — with father and son battling at its center. After all, Ho-woo wasn’t the only one seeking refuge on the roof. As a bristling confrontation in the elevator reveals, Vice President Han has been poisoning the staff against his son. His goal is to become chairman — and Seung-jo is openly disgusted. It’s unclear what his goals are, but one thing’s for certain: he needs our protagonist’s help. Turns out, the one who hired Ho-woo? Yeah, that’d be Seung-jo.
Ho-woo, meanwhile, has broken his endless eye-lock with Microsoft Excel. To the bafflement of all, he grabs a broom instead. If nobody will give him work, he’ll make it! Step one? Deep clean the office. Step two? Commandeer the photocopier! Soon, Ho-woo is the go-to man for busywork. He copies files, arranges conference rooms, sends 3AM faxes, and does it all with a smile. When Seung-jo next confronts him, it’s to ask if he’s aware that his nickname is “Pushover Jang.” Ho-woo nods, delighted. Between this and invisibility, he knows which he’d pick.
Besides, he’s been thinking. No one teaches for free, right? So why did Seung-jo bother to teach him that? Surely, he must want something. It takes Seung-jo a little while to admit it — but when he does, it’s with unexpected candor. He intends Ho-woo to be a wild card in the deck. A second joker, so to speak. In other words… Ho-woo should join his team. Presumably, Seung-jo wasn’t expecting an itemized list of all the reasons why Ho-woo thinks that’s a stupid idea. And yet, that’s exactly what he gets! The answer is an emphatic no.
Ho-woo has his eye on a different manager — one who doesn’t dredge up memories of his traumatic backstory. Hyun’s audit team are scrambling to meet their deadline, but the banks won’t play ball. They’re still waiting on confirmation forms from the Geumyang Cooperative, who generally deal with accountants by consigning them to their Endless Queue of Doom. A thankless administrative task? Sounds like a job for Pushover Jang! Our hero volunteers as tribute: he’ll retrieve the forms. Yeon-ah, whose frosty demeanor has thawed a little towards Ho-woo, decides she’ll be giving him a lift. (She’s not asking him; she’s telling.) (But she may just like him a little.) (It doesn’t hurt that they keep making longing eye contact across bookshelves.)
Inside the bank, it’s carnage. The queue is in its hundreds. Every single customer is pushing seventy and hates small print. At one point, a chicken walks in. But it’s nothing a little creativity can’t solve! Ho-woo takes matters into his own hands, offering free financial advice to anyone who asks. Having vanquished the queue, he’s onto the final boss. With minutes to spare, he convinces a banker to stamp the confirmation form he typed out by hand. Like a bat out of bureaucratic hell, he returns to Taeil triumphant.
Meanwhile, Seung-jo gets some juicy character development! He’s livid when he learns that his father is letting Sanga take over People’s Entertainment… just like he did to Haebit. Vice President Han used him, Seung-jo angrily insists. He let him unwittingly declare Haebit’s doom — and, in doing so, caused the CEO’s death. His father chuckles. You’re still not over the girl, he says, are you?
Afterwards, Seung-jo retreats to his place of comfort — and also the closest thing accountants have to a social hub — the roof. Here, he finds Hyun, who cheerfully demands cigarettes. Seung-jo hands one over, but claims not to have a lighter, knowing Hyun promised his son he’d quit — and, in doing so, captures my heart forever. The two grumble companionably about their jobs, before Hyun imparts disturbing news: Hyeong-woo is pressuring him to add someone to the audit team. It’s an obvious spy for Vice President Han. And it’s none other than Ho-woo.
Seung-jo is aghast. Ho-woo is actually doing what he’s told? Can’t you even tell the difference, he demands of Ho-woo, between friend and foe? Friendship, replies Ho-woo, is a matter of timing. Seung-jo, by now looking faintly bullied, demands to know whether Ho-woo trusts him or not. Why the bluntness? Why the disrespect? (And why, for the love of God, Hyeong-woo?) Ho-woo’s expression is utterly unreadable.
Ho-woo’s under no illusions about his allies. Still, this is an opportunity. It’s not long before he’s sniffed out some dodgy numbers in the People’s Entertainment files. 42 billion on inventory? Sounds implausible. The company claims it’s for movies and merchandise… but the movies were never released. This has fraud written all over it — and much as Ho-woo’s colleagues tell him to cool it on the scrutiny, Hyun’s interest is piqued.
A trip to People’s Entertainment confirms Hyun’s fears. The CEO literally falls to his knees, begging him to turn a blind eye. Fine, the funky numbers were an attempt to conceal their losses! A spoiled third-generation chaebol from Sanga group squandered all their cash. People’s Entertainment is all but dead, and waiting on a miracle — by which they mean the dubious corporate embrace of Sanga.
What follows is a deeply unpleasant interview with Vice President Han. Hyun is assured, quite plainly, that his future depends on this audit. He’s got two options. He can choose to gloss things over with an unqualified opinion, and receive a shiny new promotion. Alternatively, he can pick his principles — and poverty. After all, Vice President Han says, with the air of a man inspecting his fingernails, we all know who pays your salary. Ethics? Ludicrous. The answer is, rich layabouts — like the one who bankrupted People’s Entertainment.
Hyun is at a loss. A disclaimer of opinion — meaning a failed audit — would skewer his career. Still, it’s hard to think of money when your infant son says he wants to be like you when he’s older. A frank rooftop conversation with Ho-woo complicates things further. The more you work in this field, says Hyun, the more you’ll be disappointed in people. I’m jealous of you, Ho-woo replies. His anger has no power — that’s what Seung-jo taught him. But Hyun’s anger? That could make a difference.
The report deadline looms. Hyun agonizes all night. In the end, though, it all comes down to three words on a laptop screen: disclaimer of opinion. He’s done compromising his values. Instead, very calmly, he grabs his jacket and leaves his office for the last time. Teach Ho-woo well, he tells Seung-jo, who looks like he’d rather drink photocopier toner. That, or burst into tears. Remember, he adds, everyone starts out a nobody. That’s how you become — well. Somebody.
Vice President Han goes utterly ballistic — and poor Hyeon-woo stands in the blast radius. Do you even comprehend, he asks, what kind of hell this has unleashed? It’s not just about the failed audit. It’s about last year’s successful audit! Every single contradictory report will have to hold up in court… or else, it’s curtains for Taeil.
Somewhere in the distance, Ho-woo’s ears prick hopefully. Did someone say curtains for Taeil? Because, not to brag, but he’s got two separate murderboards prepped! Funny thing about doing everyone’s photocopying. It gives you access to every single document in the building. Now, he knows exactly who’s pulling the strings… and the fastest way to get to him.
I chose this drama for one reason: to see implausibly attractive accountants tussle over spreadsheets like warriors locking eyes across a battlefield. I was not disappointed. Numbers is immensely fun, especially when they lean into our hero’s wily schemes. It’s neat how they keep flipping our expectations: sure, Ho-woo faces prejudice, but Seung-jo’s rooftop homily adds an interesting twist to the underdog narrative. Granted, any organization that thinks teaching new hires is a luxury is doomed to failure — but I like that our multi-talented protagonist doesn’t always get it right.
My only issue is that I’m unimpressed by this drama’s gender politics: the men get to be passionate and talk about principles; the women get to be love interests, and talk about handbags. Here’s hoping it improves with time! Still, I’m already attached to our main characters. Ho-woo is beautifully believable: he’s smart, but not godlike, and he’s brilliant fun to watch. (It’s fitting that an actor named after Death Note can muster up a great this-is-my-fifteen-step-plan face.) Meanwhile, Seung-jo’s wet-cat gruffness is hopelessly endearing. I can’t wait for these two to keep colliding — and to grow on each other despite themselves!
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Tags: Choi Jin-hyuk, Choi Min-soo, first episodes, Kim Yuri, L (Kim Myung-soo), Numbers, Yeonwoo
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1 Redfrog
June 25, 2023 at 6:29 PM
This drama is so far so good. But seems like a bit underrated & less hype because of the 2 other dramas from rival TV stations. The topic of this drama is also a bit heavier, compared to the other two…
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hacja
June 25, 2023 at 8:44 PM
Right--if only Junho had chosen to play the role of his destiny--an avenging accountant! It is what all idols dream of, sustaining them through their struggles, their sacrifice, their adulatory armies. Who among us hasn't gone to bed longing to be a master of the universe--a master of Excel? (To be honest, there were a few times in my career when I longed to master Excel!)
@alathe I say this every time I read one of your recaps, but I'm just compelled to repeat myself: your writing is not only vivid, it never fails to tickle my funny bone.
Your line "I chose this drama for one reason: to see implausibly attractive accountants tussle over spreadsheets like warriors locking eyes across a battlefield" is just hilarious.
With a couple of close family members as accountants, I might actually have to watch this one and not just read your recaps.!
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too_much_tv
June 28, 2023 at 5:15 PM
Ah, I already upvoted this so I can't do it again.
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2 Kafiyah Bello
June 25, 2023 at 6:53 PM
Can I just say this write up lives up to the DRAMA of this drama, lol. Who knew accounting came with so much angst and evil. That being said the Chois are fantastic. CJH with his velvety baritone and CMS with just the right amount of charm to make a sexy villain. As for L and Lee Seung Yeol, their acting is kind of painful in moments, just not great. Our storyline is basic revenge, with secret connecting room to boot, but im in for the ride.
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3 miso
June 25, 2023 at 7:00 PM
As someone in a closely-related career, I found the more dramatic elements of the show pretty laughable. Couldn't help giggling when Choi Jin-hyuk threw the papers into the air with a "watch and see what this piece of paper from an accountant can do" 🤣.
It improved once Ho-woo got into Taeil, becoming marginally more realistic in terms of the work involved. I'm kinda hooked even if only to see how crazy the scheming and dealing gets. But I wish they had chosen better younger actors because Choi Jin-hyuk and Choi Min-soo are wiping the floor with them right now.
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Gidget
June 29, 2023 at 11:06 AM
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Gidget
June 29, 2023 at 12:01 PM
In-the-moment I had the same reaction.
For me, there were two things that initially seemed silly. But by the end of Episode 2, both things made sense. First, when the accountant threw the paperwork in a fit of power-tripping. Second, when the backhoe immediately showed up and started tearing down a perfectly good structure.
There’s only one thing that still doesn’t make sense.
Paperwork tossing
What happened was built on an IRL truth: youth+inexperience+cultivated arrogance=someone you can easily manipulate. Early in the drama we see CJH power tripping. Later in the drama CJH acknowledged that they exploited his youth/inexperience; and he was too arrogant to notice. Now he (somewhat) hates himself for the role he played, in what they did.
However, was the drama wrong about the power of the papers in his hand? Not in the least. An opinion letter from a top tier accountancy is an exceptionally powerful piece of paper . It has the power to uplift or crush a company.
I've done debt restructurings of troubled companies. An opinion letter that claimed a company was engaging in financial fraud is exactly the type of thing that would decide that company’s fate. It would give me no choice, but to force the company into liquidation / bankruptcy, instead of doing a restructuring/workout. Even if I found unimpeachable proof that an adverse opinion letter was misleading, I’d have a tough time getting a reasonable deal approved for that company. There are plenty of people in the chain of authority who prioritize CYA over anything else.
In the drama, Haebit had patented a novel building technique. It allowed construction to be done far faster and less expensively than normal building techniques. (There's a company in Silicon Valley that does something similar.). If the company was having cash flow problems and received an opinion letter that suggested they were committing financial fraud, there would be no hope for getting the additional funding they needed. And their loans would get called (become due immediately). The lender could force a sale of the company's assets to get paid. In 'fire sales' like this, any asset they had would get sold at a deep discount.
The aim of the fraudulent letter would have been to force the company to sell its building technique patents at a heavily discounted price, in order to meet its loan repayment obligations. It would involve a conspiracy between the accountant and the ultimate buyer of the patents. (And possibly whoever was financing the company.)
Backhoe
The backhoe tearing down the cafeteria building makes sense... in the context of a Korean drama. In the real world all of those assets would've been sold. But in drama-land thugs and backhoes will inevitably show up, as a trope to advance the plot and way to make the audience emote about the injustice. *sigh*
Suicide
The only bit that still feels weird to me is why dad would commit suicide. He was portrayed as...
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Gidget
June 29, 2023 at 12:09 PM
He was portrayed as having the things that cause people to persevere through difficulty: stable children, a caring attitude towards others, persistence against difficulty, etc. Plus, he didn't seem to have mental health issues.
Healthy, stable people don't commit suicide just because they're going through something difficult…even if it's extremely difficult.
So I hope there's more to that story. It'd be disappointing to find it was just a cheap plot device, used in the midst of otherwise stellar writing.
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Gidget
June 29, 2023 at 12:16 PM
The fact that they tore down the building would be a clue that they weren't concerned about recouping funds spent on the buildings. They were after something else...my guess is the company's patents.
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dramadillo
June 30, 2023 at 11:39 PM
I’m so grateful we have at least two beanies who have a deeper understanding of accountancy - thank you for explaining the things that I probably would not have figured out by myself!!🙏
It made no sense to me that they would destroy everything at the site immediately, but now I can kind of accept it - I guess they have to take some liberties to ratchet up the dramatic tension in the lead up to our ML’s lowest point.
I also hope that the dad’s suicide is not a cheap plot device but I wonder whether his decision is actually less unusual in a social context where suicide can be the response to shame? It sounds like that paperwork was tantamount to stating his guilt, and I don’t know what, if anything, is in place for appeal in such cases. Since he had no way to demonstrate his innocence (with regards to fraud) and that fraud was the cause of so many people’s livelihoods being put at great risk, maybe his choice is not so inexplicable? (It’s no less heartbreaking, and I would have preferred to see him fight back with ML’s help, and I’m probably making assumptions I shouldn’t about social context, but this is what occurred to me.)
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miso
June 30, 2023 at 11:55 PM
Oh I wasn't questioning the accuracy of the sentiment just the dramatics of it. It felt wayyy over the top esp. in the first 10-15 minutes of the show. Agreed that accountants/auditors hold a huge amount of power over firms and they themselves are usually aware of it!
I like your theory about the construction technology patents. I was wondering the same thing since this was specifically pointed out in the news story, which also suggests the suicide was possibly not so simple.
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pohonphee
July 13, 2023 at 10:20 AM
I hope L gets less screen time, he has no screen presence. More Choi Jinhyuk, the better
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4 emsel
June 25, 2023 at 9:01 PM
I was sure to drop the drama had they continued with the pity party for more than 15 minutes, but they made it somewhat engaging after Ho Woo entered the firm. I like watching stories of new employees fighting against the odds and making a name for themselves.
Also, I couldn't escape the shackles of Choi Jin Hyuk in a suit. His conversations with Ho woo were entertaining, especially the face he makes whenever he isn't sure if he is getting played or he is the one playing😂😂
L is alright except in scenes where he needs to emote on a deeper level, but I was surprised on seeing another member of "INFINITE" in the same drama.
For now, everything in the drama is pretty much predictable, but watchable.
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5 Kurama
June 25, 2023 at 9:17 PM
I liked it. The story and the characters are interesting. I liked the actors, but I think Yeonwoo looks pretty young to be an experimented accountant. The same for Lee Sung-Yeol, he doesn't really look like he would be chosen by Choi Min-Soo for the job.
I wonder if the real identity of Ho-Woo will be important later.
I was sure he was using the opportunity to copy papers to read them and use the informations later.
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6 darwi
June 25, 2023 at 11:32 PM
Me, me ! I'm in for the spreadsheets 🤣
And Choi Jin Hyuk in suits. Or without suit.
I was going to wait at least 6eps to see how this drama is faring because I'm not so keen on petulant Choi Min Soo and have squat expectation for a certain grapheme. But now I hesitate.
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dramadillo
June 30, 2023 at 11:50 PM
I’m here to appreciate your love for spreadsheets!! I find that because they make me go a bit cross-eyed and feel overwhelmed at work, I really avoid them in my personal life.😵💫 I admire your unconditional love for them!😁 I probably need to be a more advanced user to love them like you!
I’m also left wondering what the state of CJH being without a suit is in your mind? Is it being in trackies, or much less than that?😉🤭
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darwi
July 1, 2023 at 4:11 PM
Well I'm too innocent to notice most innuendo, and at first, at the time of writing the sentence, I only though of Choi Jin Hyuk in casual clothes.
However as soon as I hit the "send" button I realised that it could mead much more, or rather much less. And I started to visualise some other situations... and well I'm sure that you are aware that a zombified Jin Hyuk has an attractive torso...
So as to be able to give a truthful answer, I have gone through my pictures collection. I prefer him fully clothed (the others too). (not that I have a lot of showers pictures)
Anyway, he was not enough present in Numbers ep2, one of this show mistakes.
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dramadillo
July 1, 2023 at 11:29 PM
I love that you took such a scientific approach to figuring out your own preference, and then gave a very honest answer!😊
There really wasn’t enough CJH in these first episodes! I’m hoping the show will move in the right direction in that regard too!!🤞
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7 Dorotka
June 26, 2023 at 12:30 AM
I'm not watching, but I'm thoroughly enjoying your writing, @alathe 🙂
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8 Scottie
June 26, 2023 at 2:13 AM
The start was a bit underwhelming with the tragic suicide of the father figure (bad role model in my opinion), but episode 2 was much more engaging. Loved how the new audit result puts into question previous audits!
Moon He-man from Pride and Prejudice has reincarnated as top and corrupt accountant Han Je-kyun, easily recognized by the way he pushes up his glasses with his forefinger. I do miss an antagonist as cheerful as deputy prosecutor Oh Do-jung from Pride and Prejudice, but maybe there is one waiting in the wings.
Photocopiers are usually annoying, running out of paper or/and toner, paper getting stuck or other malfunctions. I like the upgrade of it into 'dangerous'.
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Seon-ha
June 26, 2023 at 8:41 PM
That suicide was way weird, right? I do hope it becomes a plot point of deeper interest, because it was super out-of-character to me…and sort of kicked me out of the drama for a bit. Our ajusshi wouldn’t have abandoned our ML (or the rest of his family) just like that.
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9 Midnight
June 26, 2023 at 2:47 AM
It had been such a long time since I enjoyed reading a recap this much. Once upon a time recaps on DB were my go-to relaxing fun read. These past years recaps have been more of a weekly report. Thank you @alathe. Now I can't decide to continue reading or wait and watch it.
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10 Blue (@mayhemf)
June 26, 2023 at 3:12 AM
Why do I feel the recap is more entertaining than the drama itself? I haven’t watched it yet. It’s just too many dramas over the weekend. But I want to. May be by mid week I would have cleared my watchlist and can start this?
Hope I can catch up soon!
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Gidget
June 29, 2023 at 12:23 PM
So far this drama has been exceptionally smart and well written. It's going to be a good one!
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11 KS stuck on 🥰 Aegiya KHAAJA🥰
June 26, 2023 at 6:12 AM
So I LIKED this drama when i started it without much hope knowing L is no good actor and Choi Jin Hyuk had few bad drama choices in past... but surprisingly i am in love with show in just 2 episodes. and that epi 2 ending ... gave me FoS kind of feel (not upto that level but yes just 5% of it)
then L has improved his acting skills not remarkably but tiny bit acceptable to me and i can handle it... on other hand CJH is one intriguing character here... no simple plain but his story has layers, depth and impact...
So this is my #1 watch among all the on air shows... while i dropped King the land and waiting for Heartbeat this one will keep me hooked for sure.
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12 Jealous of Mozart
June 26, 2023 at 6:58 AM
I enjoyed this drama far more than I expected to. I am sticking with this one and the reluctant bromance it is promising me.
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13 Ahjummaaa
June 26, 2023 at 8:59 AM
I hate it and it breaks my heart when older (over 30) and more charismatic actors have to play supporting actors to a cast of younger (under 30) less experienced actors in shoes their feet can't quite fill... >< if I were the screenwriter, I would adjust my script so that the more experienced actors can play leads and the younger ones supporting roles... I'm thinking of dramas like Are You Human? where Lee Joon-hyuk could have easily played the lead.
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Kurama
June 26, 2023 at 10:42 AM
I don't think Choi Min-Soo wants to be the lead in a drama anymore. The schedule for the lead actors is exhausting.
For Are You Human, LJH was too old to be the son of Kim Sung-Ryoung and if I wasn't a fan of the story, I think Seo Kang-Joon was great in this role. His face was perfect for a robot!
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Ahjummaaa
June 26, 2023 at 6:12 PM
no offense, he wasn't bad as the robot for sure. I guess it's just that sometimes we can imagine what if different actors played the same role, what would it be like, what would they bring to the role that others don't, etc. sigh, I'm just sad that the couple years have been tough for my late 30's oppas.
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Kurama
June 26, 2023 at 11:43 PM
Really? I don't know who are your oppas but older actors are doing pretty good in Kdramaland. Nam Goong Min, Lee Je Hoon, Lee Joon Ki, Lee Min Ho, Jung Woo, Lee Min Ki, Ji Chang Wook, Park Sung Hoon, etc. they all have upcoming dramas.
In 2023, we already got : Jung Kyung Ho, Yoon Hyun Min, Cho Seung Woo, Kim Nam Gil, Go Soo, Han Suk Kyu, Yoo Yun Suk, etc.
I think the actors who became famous when the 3 big channels were still important still have stranglehold on the Kdramas. It's more difficult to break for younger actors now.
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14 dramadillo
June 26, 2023 at 2:23 PM
Thank you for the weecap, @alathe! And for teaching me a new word (I had no idea that second leads are called deuteragonists!🤯)
It’s only been 2 episodes, but Numbers has shot up to the top of my live-watch list. There are heroes who are likeable (if a bit prickly), including an underdog, a bromance on the horizon, villains whose villainy makes sense (they’re greedy and relish wielding power over others - tale as old as time!), and my favourite zombie! I hope I will continue to enjoy this one.
My favourite character so far is actually Kang Hyun. I liked that I was made to wonder what his decision would be (even though the use of a child’s drawing and an idealistic underdog as persuasive elements is a bit maudlin for my tastes). The internal conflict felt real.
It was interesting that we got to see Hyeon Woo’s son as well - looks like he’s queued up for redemption, and is not just a slimy sycophant.
I hadn’t realised but the female characters are a bit lacking in substance and depth thus far, so I hope that improves too.😊
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Seon-ha
June 26, 2023 at 8:46 PM
I was also super impressed with the depth and believability of the reasons that Kang Hyun offered Ho-woo for his “proper” actions. The way that lies become heavier and heavier shackles over time is real, and boy howdy did I feel good for him when he walked into the “sunset” knowing he was going to be free from that, even if he was going to have a hard road ahead supporting his family.
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bong-soo
June 27, 2023 at 9:55 AM
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bong-soo
June 27, 2023 at 9:57 AM
That conversation between Kang Hyun and Ho-woo about basically selling your soul was a wonderful piece of writing.
(There are 2 writers listed on NUMBERS’ wiki page (Jung An and Oh Hye-seok and after a cursory search I can’t find out anything about them.)
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Gidget
June 29, 2023 at 12:39 PM
Two episodes in, and and there's already a consistent stream of scenes where the writing has been both poetic and profound. Without all the showboating pretentiousness that has plagued other recent 'smart' dramas.
I'd also love to know more about these writers.
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
June 27, 2023 at 8:47 PM
Does the same artist do ALL of the ‘children’s’ drawings in kdramas? The style is remarkably consistent across shows, regardless of the child’s age.
I burst out laughing when I saw the murderboards, but in a good way. If this has half as many twists and reversals and shifting alliances as Stranger, it will be awesome. I already love it. And I could recognize our morally ambiguous second lead just by the way the hem of his coat swings as he stalks across the construction site. How does Choi Jin-hyuk do that?
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dramadillo
July 1, 2023 at 12:05 AM
🤣🤣🤣 For some reason, your observation about the children’s drawings had me imagining some ahjussi in a sleeveless top, churning out children’s drawings for all the dramas in SK. I wonder if it is lucrative enough to pay well? It must be artistically stifling to be limited to crayon as your medium. I hope it’s only a side gig for him.🤞
I love murderboards, and I love a secret smarty. I desperately want this show to live up to this start. 🙏
I think you have a finely tuned radar, Elinor!! I was confused for most of these first episodes because I hadn’t read about the show in advance and was expecting CJH to be the lead!😅
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15 abalyn
June 26, 2023 at 5:00 PM
“he tells Seung-jo, who looks like he’d rather drink photocopier toner”
Lol, excellent work taking the photocopier metaphor to the next level.
I enjoyed these episodes as something that was predictable but with enough flavor to not be too bland.
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16 Seon-ha
June 26, 2023 at 8:51 PM
Thanks, @alathe! I, too, really appreciated the weecap’s tenor and cadence!!
Could we talk a bit, folks, though, about the peacock’s tail of crazy-boards that came out of NOWHERE in the end? It was like a majestic flourish of physical infographics, flooding the screen with our hero’s determination and, um, tenacity (totally not obsession!).
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Gidget
June 29, 2023 at 12:57 PM
Majestic flourish is a great way to describe that!
If you're in finance or accounting the hints and nuances of the drama are easy to pick up on. But for most people, it might be difficult to see where the drama is headed...which the drama needs, to keep the audience in a suspended state of anticipation until the next episode airs.
I saw that scene as a device to communicate to the broader audience that our lead isn't a passive simpleton. He's preserving full control over his own life (a key theme of the drama). Each time he gets involved in something, he uses it to get someone to do what he wants them to do, not vice-versa. It also connects the dots that he is a tenacious street fighter who has already spent many years clarifying his intentions and organizing his thoughts.
Putting it all in 3d flow chart form was just fan-service to make spreadsheet lovers' hearts sing. LOL
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17 bong-soo
June 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM
Thanks @alathe for the great recap. I loved the first two premiere episodes of NUMBERS. The Chois, Jin-hyuk and Min-soo are on form which is great. Kim Myung-soo (L) handled his role quite well.
As an aside, L’s early on physicality (fights) were well done.
I am in a bit of quandary if I should do a rewatch of episodes one and two something I rarely do but occasionally with mysteries have done
it. I am confused about Ho-woo’s two high school and later friends. I thought the girl was the daughter of Jang In-ho who committed suicide. Later when the daughter was brought up in the conversation between VP Han and Seung-jo it seemed to be someone else and Seung-ho had some kind of dealing with her. I may have it all wrong.
Obviously there is a lot more behind the hiring of Ho-woo than has been revealed. It seemed that he was hired without an interview. Absurd! I think we have two guys playing thee long game: Seung-jo and Ho-woo. I am ready.
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dramadillo
June 27, 2023 at 1:23 PM
I was confused about her character too! I just looked it up on MyDramaList, and her character shares a surname with Ho Woo’s adopted father, so I think we’re right in our understanding about that relationship. But what could be her relationship with Seung Jo? She also seemed older (than a high schooler) in that scene where she’s trying to get to her father at the construction site and Seung Jo is stopping her. It’s very confusing, but I suspect we’ll find out more in the coming episodes.
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Gidget
June 29, 2023 at 1:07 PM
My take was that the drama is hinting, but keeping that hidden, for now. She may be the 'girl' part of that line "or is it still about the girl".
Eventually this drama will need to introduce a law-enforcement element to take-down big-bad. She's now a police officer.
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18 too_much_tv
June 28, 2023 at 5:22 PM
I'm sure I wouldn't have attempted to watch this without your recap. It's so intensely silly, will I be able to suspend disbelief and keep watching? It's like, what if Manager Kim only instead of humor, a hint of traumatic backstory? But the recap was so funny that I felt I had to watch.
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19 LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
January 26, 2024 at 5:13 PM
Intensely silly but so far, at least, watchable. The first 20 minutes made me laugh out loud, not a mean feat for a backstory about abandonment, bankruptcy, corporate fraud and suicide.
I wish the male lead's super duper GENIUS was established somewhat earlier so we'd believe it when he just decided to become an accountant despite not having a University education and solving everything with his fists instead of his brains. I guess Machiavelli first wrote, "righteousness breeds strategy" or something. Who knew the orphaned king hitter of the neighbourhood was a keen Go player?
Apropos of nothing, every workplace drama to ever come out of Korea portrays workplaces where nobody ever mentors anybody and new employees - a huge investment of time and money just by being there - are left to sink or swim. How does that make any sense? They're paying this guy how much for him to sweep the floor and do photocopying? It's just terrible management.
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