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Our Blooming Youth: Episodes 3-4

Our heroine has found a way to enter the palace walls: disguised as a eunuch, she’s bound to escape notice. But to win the crown prince’s approval and aid, she must first demonstrate her skills as a detective. And she’s not the only one — her fiancé faces pressure on all sides to once and for all prove his loyalty to the crown.

 

EPISODES 3-4

Jeon So-ni in Our Blooming Youth: Episodes 3-4

Women in Joseon, Jae-yi complained, are never told you can do it. Go for it. Try. Hwan, for all his ignorance of structural sexism, is willing to do just that. Find a way to meet me in the eastern palace, he says, and we can help each other. You can do it! Try! And so, not quite dismissed, Jae-yi prepares to effectively break into the palace backwards and in heels. Soon, she’s ready to meet Hwan — bundled up in a eunuch’s uniform. However, Hwan’s inner circle is notoriously close-knit. His chronically understaffed eunuchs are accustomed to second-guessing the prince’s whims, and performing passionate, K-pop inspired cheering routines to keep his spirits up. It’s a tough job, but someone’s gotta do it.

Jae-yi faces a deeply relatable obstacle: lack of access to Google Maps. The palace is immense, and every square looks the same. Fortunately, she stumbles into the delightful PRINCESS HAYEON (Jung Da-eun) and her entourage — or, rather, Hayeon stumbles into her. Without missing a beat, Jae-yi performs the most essential feat of K-drama masculinity: scooping up a woman midair before she falls. Impressed, Hayeon offers to escort her.

Soon, much to the dismay of Hwan’s staff, Jae-yi crashes the prince’s social gathering with Hayeon and their adorably hapless younger brother, PRINCE MYUNGAN (Im Han-bin). She meets Hwan’s eyes. Mission accomplished. But further difficulties loom. When Hayeon asks for the identity of this new, well-spoken eunuch, Jae-yi is reduced to stutters. Hwan lets her suffer for a bit. But after a beat, he consults his eidetic memory — and scolds Go Soon-dol, the very real person who definitely isn’t an awkward impostor, for, uh, forgetting his own name. Later, he and Jae-yi strike a deal. He’ll accept her as one of his people, provided she proves herself by solving an open murder case.

This is well within Jae-yi’s wheelhouse — as we soon learn from Ga-ram. Myung-jin, unimpressed by his apprentice’s limited literacy, asks for a demonstration of her skills. Ga-ram is good at scaling fences! Ga-ram is good at running! And Ga-ram is good at… improvised weaponry! Scarily good, in fact. Myung-jin is thankful he escapes the demonstration alive. A passing mouse doesn’t. Turns out, our dynamic duo of demure Joseon ladies spent their off-days in menswear, prowling the mean streets of Gaeseong and fighting crime. Is anyone else itching for a spinoff?

One thing I love about this show is that everyone’s a detective. Sung-on’s own sleuthing takes him to the residence of OH MAN-SHIK, the worker from the Department of Taoism who supplied Hwan with a bleeding pen. It’s abandoned. Man-shik sold his belongings and fled. To Sung-on’s horror, amongst the items sold was a turtle-shaped compass from his father’s desk. What’s more, his father, LEFT STATE COUNCILOR HAN (Jo Seong-ha) is being a little too cryptic for comfort. Hwan isn’t the only contender for the throne, he tells Sung-on. He’d do best to remember that a king governs by consent of his ministers. What’s more, he’s pretty sure Hwan doesn’t trust Sung-on.

Nor does he entirely trust Jae-yi. However, he’s willing to feed her, clothe her, and let her lodge in his secret room beneath the library. Jae-yi feels a touch of remorse for all those times she called him a jerk under her breath. For one thing, the secret room is littered with evidence of Hwan’s fraught occupancy during the year he spent injured. An arrow-pitted wall provides eloquent testament to the months he toiled alone, forcing his bow-arm back into submission.

Jeon So-ni and Park Hyung-shik in Our Blooming Youth: Episodes 3-4

A eunuch’s work is never done, and Jae-yi’s has scarcely started. Next morning, stumbling bleary through identical courtyards, she rushes back to the eastern palace — shoeless. Having bungled the task of dressing herself, her next challenge is to dress the prince. It’s distractingly intimate. But, mostly she’s just bad at it. Hwan observes, amused, as she scrutinizes each belt buckle like it’s an unsolved murder mystery. And then — he smiles. This reminds me, he says, of when we were children.

This isn’t the first time they’ve met. It’s not even the first time he’s seen her in men’s clothing. Years ago, Jae-yi remorselessly intimidated Hwan and Sung-on out of two nyang. But, true to the heroine we know and love, it was for a good cause. She had been saving up to rescue SHIM YOUNG, an orphan who had inherited his parents’ horrifying debts. What’s more, apparently Jae-yi fell in love with Sung-on somewhere in the middle of shaking him down for cash. At this, Hwan is royally perplexed. Does Jae-yi mean to say that she didn’t fall for him? Outrageous! He’s so rattled, he almost lets Jae-yi leave him with his hat on backwards.

The feelings were well on their way to being mutual. Once upon a time, Sung-on sent Jae-yi a pair of silk slippers and a letter full of tentative sentiment. Jae-yi and Ga-ram ate up every line with glee. Now, Sung-on sadly ponders that same shoe, recovered from the scene of Jae-yi’s escape. As for Jae-yi? She’s forced to watch as the irrepressible Princess Hayeon flirts with her once-fiancé over a game of jachigi. You can hardly blame Hayeon; what’s a girl to do when the object of her affections is hung up over a murderer? Pretend to be bad at throwing sticks! But Jae-yi is desolate at the knowledge that Sung-on has looked straight at her — and seen nothing but an unremarkable eunuch.

Sentiment has to take a backseat. There’s work to be done. At the behest of a grumpy Tae-gang, Jae-yi finds herself carting a body across town towards the autopsy specialist, Myung-jin. On the plus side, this allows our girls to unexpectedly reunite! On the downside, it means Ga-ram has to explain the presence of several dozen posters of Jae-yi’s face, all whilst tactfully encouraging Myung-jin to shut up about his crush already. Whilst perhaps not the most awkward conversation ever had in front of a lifeless corpse, this certainly ranks. The corpse in question is the herald Hwan sent with wedding gifts to Gaeseong. The manner of death? Poison. And the poison? Amur viper — same as the arrow that hit Hwan last year.

Elsewhere, Sung-on watches Hwan sharpen his pitch-perfect swordplay skills, dwells on his father’s words, and pointedly doesn’t tell him about the turtle. Instead, he places the incriminating evidence on his father’s desk. But to his shock, he receives no confession — just a lecture. Opening his desk drawer, Councilor Han takes out an identical wooden turtle. The compass was a gift given to all three state councilors, and six ministers besides. Sung-on, Councilor Han sighs, ought to have trusted his prince. That he put family ties ahead of his duty reveals why Hwan doesn’t rely on him. Sung-on, it seems, is destined to forever fail tests he had no idea he was taking.

Loyalty comes a little easier for others. After dabbling in blood, guts, and gore, Jae-yi and Ga-ram find time to talk apart. Hand in hand, they confess how thankful they are to be in each other’s lives. Neither wants the other to think they take that for granted.

Afterwards, for Jae-yi, it’s back to the eastern palace, to share her findings with Hwan. According to their deductions, the herald was murdered on the way to the Min house. The killer must have played the part of the messenger, passing along the gifts — and the faked letter. Jae-yi strains to remember their face, but the details elude her. To her surprise, Hwan understands. He remembers little from directly after his brother died. Still, shared trauma or not, it’s time for Jae-yi to prove her capabilities. Soon, a public discourse will be held concerning an unsolved murder case — run by none other than her ex-fiancé.

Jae-yi’s not the only one with plenty to prove. Sung-on is determined that this goes smoothly. Confident, he outlines the cases before Hwan. Three murders took place recently, all of senior citizens, with bodies placed at the north, south, and west of the city. Two bodies had letters carved into them: Myeol and Song. The middle one did not.

With one direction on the compass remaining, Sung-on is adamant that soldiers be sent east. Jae-yi has other ideas, and, at Hwan’s encouragement, she steps up to openly challenge the man she loves. The killer is superstitious; that much is obvious. However, Sung-on missed a clue: the murderer strikes on lucky days. With help from Hwan’s supercharged memory skills, Jae-yi calculates that the next kill will occur in six days, to the west. Moreover, she suggests, perhaps Sung-on overlooked something else on the body without the letter?

Hwan makes his decision. Troops will be sent to protect the east. However, Jae-yi may investigate the second body. It’s an obvious compromise, but Councilor Han looks rueful. Sung-on has disappointed him once more.

Back in the library, Hwan gruffly orders Jae-yi to search for a book labeled Doctrine of the Mean. Before she can argue, he shuts the door in her face. Yet again cursing him for a rude bastard, Jae-yi goes scrabbling for the book. Yet again, seconds later, she finds herself repenting. Next to the book in question is a bright red apple — and a letter of congratulations. An emotionally constipated display? Sure. But, adorable? Absolutely. Cuter still, the next day, as Jae-yi fumbles a little less incompetently with Hwan’s overcoat, he asks her if the apple was tasty. They meet each other’s eyes — and grin.

There’s been no shortage of adorable moments this week. I’m going to be thinking about the way Hwan silently yet judgmentally corrected Jae-yi’s terrible dressing-room technique, only to end up flummoxed as she got close, for a while. I enjoy how awkward Hwan is! When I first learned this drama would feature an arrogant prince, I expected someone controlling and manipulative. Hwan’s arrogance is subtler: it’s the unthinking ease of someone who’s been told he’s one of the most important people on the planet. He isn’t outraged when Jae-yi challenges him — he’s ruffled, as if he can’t quite understand why things aren’t going his way. He’s all smirks and placid poise when he’s in a situation he can control, and falls to pieces when he isn’t. It’s delightful.

Our female leads remain an absolute joy. Ga-ram’s gleefully lethal demonstration of her battle prowess stole my heart. Meanwhile, Jae-yi goes from strength to strength: at every turn, she can be vulnerable, impish, stoic, or utterly out of her depth. I loved the way they layered her speech about wanting to see the world over her entering the palace gate. So often in Joseon dramas, the royal palace is a claustrophobic, stifling place. Here, we see another side of it: dizzyingly vast, and teeming with new experiences.

Still, I can’t help but wonder how long it’ll last. Even if she falls in love with Hwan, could someone as independent as Jae-yi really enjoy a life within the palace’s confines? Those vast courtyards might start to feel an awful lot smaller… But for now, I can’t wait to see how Jae-yi and Ga-ram navigate their new lives, and the new opportunities afforded to them!

 
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People say that secrets don’t make friends, but that’s all a bit nonsense. It seems like secrets are exactly the thing drawing our leads closer together, and they are certainly not wasting any time breaking down some of the barriers between them. I think once Hwan believed Jae-i didn’t murder her family, it was so much easier to believe that she was on his side than that anyone else was. She is truly without allies, certainly in the capital, so she can’t really be scheming behind his back. And her outburst last week established her as someone who tells the truth, even right to Hwan’s face, which is valuable, especially when even your good friend can’t quite do it. I loved the reveal of the secret room that our poor Hwan has been using to recover out of the way of prying eyes. And if he was poisoned by the same stuff that the herald bearing the wedding gifts was, that must have been an awful wound, and a terrible recovery.

All the scenes of Jae-i saying disparaging things about Hwan and then taking them back later when he was nice made me laugh so much! I hope they keep this running throughout the series. And she is totally entitled to her opinion (and no shade meant to Yoon Jong-seok), but there is no way Seong-on is more attractive than Hwan. In looks or in personality. I really like our prince - exacting but generous, proud but acknowledging, tormented but kind.

Special shout out to Myung-jin’s face when he saw that he had been brought a corpse to examine. So much delight! That is a man who has found his calling.

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I get sceptic in the first episode but now I want it more.

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I really enjoyed this week's episodes. They solidified the dynamic between the leads. I feel bad for Seung On because he seems to be one step off in whatever he is doing but i was pleasantly surprised by his dad. I was genuinely not expecting the guy to be upfront about the turtle and then reprimand his son and then rectify his opinion of Hwan. Never have i seen old men doing that anywhere.
@alathe I loved your analysis of Hwan and how is arrogance stems from the deference he has gotten till date. Its pretty bang on. I love that Hwan seems to have the 'tough but fair' approach to things which i respect. I also love his awkwardness. The scenes of Jae Yi dressing him were adorable. My heart absolutely melted at the apple and the note accompanying it. My guy knows how to reward people.
Also I love PHS in this and JSN seems to be holding her own which is good. I now want scenes of Hwan watching Jae Yi fight.

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Jae-yi performs the most essential feat of K-drama masculinity: scooping up a woman midair before she falls

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the murderer strikes on lucky days

Just not lucky for the victims

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Liking it so far, much better now than day 1 was.

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me too. I thought we are getting a weird love triangle

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As if FL having 3 (!) dudes among the top-of-the-top bachelors of Joseon wasn't enough...

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I also liked, "Whilst perhaps not the most awkward conversation ever had in front of a lifeless corpse, this certainly ranks."

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Can I ask how do you do block quotes on this?

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http://www.dramabeans.com/members/mary/activity/206796/
Shows all you need to know (or at least all I know)

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This is SO needed, thank you)))

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This post from Mary has been my cheat sheet for years now.

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I like that they portrayed Sung-on as a villain/suspicious person from the beginning. It is much better than the trope of a righteous person turning evil blinded by jealousy. Also, it is Sung-on who doesn't trust Hwan not the other way around.

I am swooning over the budding romance which gives me love in the moonlight vibes and I don't mind having a scene of Jae-yi helping Hwan put on his robe each episode.

At first, I was a bit concerned about Hwan's ice-hearted personality since the drama was too dark but this week's episodes made up for it.

I love the arc between Ga-ram and Myung-jin as well. Like fellow beanies stated before it is nice to see her own story aside from Jae-yi.

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I liked the addition of the princess into the storyline as well--both the actress and character are good. Like the CP, she's clearly a product of her environment, and conditioned with every breath to act with extreme decorum and hide her natural gifts if they might make a man feel less-than on any level. She seems a touch young for Sung-on, so I'm not sure he will ever reciprocate her feelings, and of course, I would hope if he does that he'd value her athletic--and yet other undiscovered--talents.

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I was sure the actress is a teenager so no chances of this ship happening, but turns out she's 22 (those korean vampires!), which means Princess may very well be of a marriageable age already (or close to it).

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Having read the mainly enthusiastic comments after the first recap, which were more positive than I was able to feel, I rewatched eps 1 and 2 before starting on 3 and 4. The "comedy" elements accompanied by whimsical background music absolutely don't work for me and just irritate, as does the awful fake laughter of the Prime Minister's son. I have to admit to FFing through every comedic scene in eps 3 and 4. A facial expression, a situation, can be funny without hamming it up and resortimg to slapstick, and what would be lost by cutting these? (about 3 episodes probably, if this continues to the bitter end).

What I do like is the sleuthing and guessing, which really got underway in ep 4 so I'm in it for that, and the competition element that pits Jae-yi against her fiance. I also like the cuckoo in the nest element which has Jae-yi closer to the CP now than either her fiance or Tae-gang, so that is going to rub them up the wrong way and make them anxious.

I don't suspect Sung-on of being the friend who stabs Hwan in the back (unless it is because their friendship deteriorates as time goes on, and not that he has been concealing his true nature) but I do wonder about Tae-gang, who was "just a thug in the marketplace" before he became the royal bodyguard. We don't know the circumstances of this change of fate yet, but perhaps he can be bought, or was a plant, happening to be in the right place at the right time to impress the CP.

I'm trying to find reasons to like this rather than be impatient with it, so I hope they start amping up the relationships, the suspicions and the jealousies, along with the detective work, and show less of the "cute and funny" scenes which frankly make me want to slap everyone involved. All I'll say is no wonder the CP is grumpy, fires staff and doesn't want new people around him if he has to endure such silly behaviour. Far more interesting to harbour a cross-dressing murder suspect with a flair for unravelling mysteries.

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I admit I’ve also found the tone shift during those quick cuts from the palace to the maid + coroner guy have been at times jarring for me. I don’t dislike watching them as much as you do, but right now, the CP + Jaeyi pairing had the more compelling story and the comedy duo does seem a big extraneous. But I expect that too change now that the girls have reunited, and it turns out the CP regularly uses the coroner guy for his investigations— I think these 4 people will unite together to start solving mysteries together, and hopefully blend the tones a bit and also get us to care more about the supporting duo. I noticed the coroner guy doing his own deductions based on the town bulletin on the third serial murder, so I’m hoping he’ll get roped in to the investigation next ep.

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First, @alathe thanks for the recap. I love your rat-a-tat style which I enjoyed during AOS--its vivid, funny, and gives me a bigger appreciation of the episodes than I had while watching them.

As I've said often, not usually a sageuk fan, but enjoying this one, especially because of the detectives investigating one of the legendary Josean serial killings. Also, all the actors except the cartoonishly laughing minister are very appealing. But the one pseudo-sageuk I started this year, Forbidden Marriage, had a dynamic heroine sneaking into the palace, enchanting the crown prince, and being previously engaged to his friend the sergeant, so there was a love triangle. I quit the show early on, when it started to get less zany, so I don't know if there was also a detective plot, but I assume so, since there were murders. So is a love triangle involving boyhood friends, one a royal, the other head of the guards, fighting over a dynamic heroine who is attracted to both, investigating murders and battling ministers who want to take the prince down, the universal sageuk theme of 2023?

That said, I really did like the two leads together, in part because they stared at each other beautifully. I imagine that's pretty hard to do without either getting giggly, or losing your concentration. It helps that they are both so attractive--that must make the task easier. On the other hand, given their clear staring chemistry, I'm going to be pretty upset if the love triangle kicks in and the sergeant becomes a real romantic rival, unless he shows the same gazing ability.

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Agree. @alathe I enjoy reading your recap as much as watching the show. I worry that my enjoyment of the show is being clouded by my bias for PHS especially given the relatively low ratings. However I am going to continue to exist in my happy cloud. I will ignore the fact the FL seems to have been able to compartmentalize her family’s death well enough that she can enjoy moments of pleasure like eating that apple.

I will also grin happily at how cool the CP looks fighting and impressively beating 4 on 1. I am hoping in the future we will get to see his military prowess and more leadership skills as he was tough but fair when he told the soldiers to train harder but also rewarded them. Maybe he and the FL can fight side by side.

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Sung-on and Councilor Han's conversation was pretty funny. The father was dissing his son and the son didn't seem to understand anything. The question wasn't if his father owned the turtle but what will have done if it was the case...

The scene of Hwan and Jae-Yi are really good. I'm still wondering who thought their clothes were practical to wear...

I'm not a big fan of the change of ton when the scenes are about Garam and Myung-jin. I love humor but it's a little bit too much with the rest of the drama.

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It doesn’t help that Myung Jin’s acting is a bit extra. It’s just too much and I don’t find it funny. Had his character been a bit toned down their scenes would have been better.
I am guessing he will tone down when he is with his trusted people because all this might just be a facade to keep suspicious eyes away from him.
But I love Ga Ram!

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I mentioned above that I think once Myung-Jin and Garam join in on the investigation and the four of them (the CP + Jaeyi) join up, that dynamic will improve. Right now the cutaways to Myung-Jin’s studio/lab have all come off like really random/unnecessary comic relief except when he was actually examining the dead guard’s body. Once Myung-Jin becomes more useful to the plot I hope the forced comedy from him will tone down, and think I will enjoy his scenes more.

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So nice to read your reviews again @ alathe.
That Eunuch rap Joseon style was so silly but a great touch. I don’t know how they all managed not to giggle their way through that scene.

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The Joseon rap scene didn’t fall flat because the CP’s reactions were pitch-perfect. We’ve been consistently seeing that the “arrogant” Prince who fires people left and right and hates bringing in new people has a soft side to him when it comes to Jaeyi, and we see that he has it with his staff as well. He didn’t explode with anger or *completely* dismiss them, but thanked their silly efforts with faint amusement (I lol’ed that his first reaction was to ask them how they were able to hide those gong thingies under their robes 😆), and then characteristically refused their request to add staff with a mic drop. Like Alathe mentioned about his “arrogance”, he is probably someone used to enforcing his wants and wills absolutely, but he’s actually not unkind about it, and we are seeing with his showing at the lecture that he is someone who will listen to experts/smart people and delegate when he trusts you even a little.

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Good points. That scene was written, and executed deftly by all the actors.

What I meant though was that the actors didn’t lose it and giggle as sometimes happens when they just can’t control their reactions so they have to have a few takes as giggles become contagious. I would love to see a behind the scene video of that just in case.

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https://youtu.be/OruI1-Ewk38
Surprisingly they didn't really roll on the floor from laughter like I've expected))) True professionals!

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What a pity for us but good for them! Thanks a bunch for this!

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Can we have a robe moment every week please!
I loved that moment when both of them could recall their childhood and smile. That moment when both could forgot their present and allow themselves the happiness they felt when they were young. And I loved how both of them connected to that - we were once children and happy!

I need a prequel to the show. Just our girls being detectives!

I am not a fan of how the 2ML is written. He is set up to not be part of the princes inner circle right from the get go. So I wonder what his role is. And his whole reaction to public discourse was poor and showed him as a classist and a person with too much ego. Isn’t it part of calling it a public discourse so anyone can brainstorm and share ideas? Add to this, a love triangle. Not sure what to make of his character.

I need more investigation outside the palace, robe moments, secret room meetings and less ministers!

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I’m enjoying how the SML is written because he’s so flawed and complex. He’s not a bad guy at all, and seems to want to help the CP, but I also see that his father’s criticisms of him and his loyalty being easily swayed by personal feelings very on-point. He is weak in many ways which are human, and with his anger at the Jaeyi-has-a-lover rumors and at the lecture, we see many potential ways he may turn against the CP, but then again he may yet surprise us. In any case, I’m on the edge of my seat to see where this character ends up. He’s a very interesting character and trying to figure him out may be a season-long endeavor.

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I would like to see a little more of his POV, so hopefully my opinion changes and find his character interesting. I am also curious how the 'ghost' predicted a fall out between the two friends. So, may be it is part of the bigger plan to create mistrust amongst these two?

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My problem is that he seems lacking any strongly positive qualities - his romantic fiancee persona is skin-deep, his friendship and loyalty to CP is cracking hard ALREADY before any real trouble even happened, his actual professionalism is visibly weaker than his desire to LOOK competent, his supposed oh-so-niceness ALL the girls swoon madly over is rather questionable in the light of his many tantrums and so on. He's terribly so-so and wishy-washy in all aspects. Sorry, I'm not a sheltered Joseon maiden to be impressed by just this)))

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Oh yeah, your criticisms of him are all valid, I also see many of his ~virtues to be skin deep and won’t stand up to trials. Not just his romantic fiancé and his competent sergeant personas, but even his desire to be a loyal best friend. It’s like he wants to be this idea of a good person but when push comes to shove, he’s weak, and his petty, prideful, and selfish nature wins out over loyalty or honesty or love. All these characteristics would make him a horrible ML to root for, but I kinda like it in a SML, bc I am less invested in the character going either way except the one that serves the plot best and is most entertaining. A SML like this can be redeemed for the sake of story and I’ll accept it as he won’t get the girl, but if the ML is like this, there’s no redemption arc that will ever get me onboard to root for him, if that makes sense.

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Maybe this is the first time in his life that things have gone wrong for him and are spiralling away. Maybe the first time he has been challenged and doesn't have any experience in how to act, unlike Hwan whose position has been threatened for the past year (and perhaps before that too) and is used to being tested and having to work things out without giving his feelings away.

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Yeah, he's fine for SML because I hardly ever care about them and can continue to do so here with an easy heart lol. But it kinda rubs me the wrong way that script - and other characters - overpraise him THAT much. I feel like writer basically forces him down my throat as a conflicted but (for now) still likeable character and I hate when they do that. Something about him is just too unsympathetic in a rather boring way for me to have any reaction other than "oh really?" eye-roll to his screentime. Previous recap's comparison with SML from Tale of Nokdu was very apt - I couldn't stand that guy as a proper contender for FL's heart but after a certain twist he's got MUCH more interesting, charismatic and in his niche. Maybe it'll play like that here as well.

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@Gikata, I was the one who brought up the comparison to the SML in Tale of Nokdu from last week! Lol. I agree with you that I found that guy insufferably boring in Nokdu, until he went full evil, but somehow I’m finding HSO more compelling as a character. I agree the writing is being a bit heavy handed with all the secondhand praise of him, but I do understand the people around him haven’t been witness to all his moments of weakness and disloyalty, all his bursts of anger and petty reactions during his investigation into Jaeyi’s supposed lover, etc. I think as the audience, in the past 2 weeks, especially this one, we’ve seen mostly his worst traits coming to light. But I have a prediction (I may be wrong) that our SML will have his moment of honesty and mini redemption with the CP as soon as next week (in the preview, [SPOILER]). I think SML will be welcomed back into the fold and join the investigation crew for a time, only to fall to his weaknesses again down the line, and be used by someone to betray the CP in a bigger way… and then maybe redeem himself or go full villain, one or the other. Anyway, just my wild guesses!

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@happyokaytales, that was you? Omg, I totally forgot with all those ENDLESS glitches I have to fight in this show's recaps, sorry! I kinda get the more compelling part - Sung On is not shown as being actual psycho up till this point and most likely won't ever go this far to the dark side... But it's a double-edged sword in his case - I can't help but think that being a little crazy (and not just permanently angry/upset) could've actually make him more interesting... Or maybe not. I've never seen this actor before and idk if he can pull a magnetic villain off. Maybe, like @kaddicted said, he'll just stays being yet another whiny spoiled noble boy incapable of dealing with a real challenge. At the very last writer should give him and Hwan a proper showdown! What's the male friendship - or animosity - without some punches exchanged?))) Who knows, maybe that's the very thing their relationship desperately needed all this time...

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This is my favorite live watch right now, even though there are a few niggling things that bother me here and there. I love the characters, especially the sleuthing Jae-yi and the desperate-for-affection-but-determined-to-appear-convincingly-stoic-and-cranky Hwan. Both roles are perfectly cast, too. My favorite scenes are between these two, especially when Jae-yi made it clear to Hwan that Sung-on is the one who made her swoon at first sight. I therefore felt a bit sad for Sung-on when he, unlike the CP, wouldn't acknowledge Jae-yi's valid points at the public discourse. Obviously, this is not his fault at all, as his very survival depends on being necessary to the CP and valued by the ministers, which is only possible if his views are believed to be the correct ones. However, it was precisely then and there that the first cracks in Jae-yi's adoration of him appeared. But because the actor playing Sung-on is not quite as compelling as the one who played the rival in "Forbidden Marriage," I am thankfully not torn.

I did find myself wishing that more time had elapsed between the death of her family and Jae-yi's entrance into the East Palace. She witnessed the sudden, brutal murder of her entire family and then went on the run. Girl is very strong, but would clearly still be suffering from PTSD, so the transition to teasing the CP and smiling over his sweet apple gesture was a little abrupt for me. But I can roll with it because the relationship itself has a lot of promise.

I'm so glad the two women were reunited, and that Ga-ram is going to clearly have her own developed arc that involves her using her brain. As usual with sageuks, I'm only half following the crime/mystery storyline and not bothering to guess the culprit. But I like the way this aspect of the story allows the female characters to be actively involved in the plot.

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Yes! The only thing that always bothers me is that slaves are portrayed - not unique to this at all but hits home - as being so devoted and obliging. I get all the nuances but I always want a robust condemnation of the systemic brutality which has reduced humans to chattel and has made their lives conditional on the noblesse oblige ethos. I want to know and hear more about how Garam became a slave, her voice and presence magnified beyond the gutsy but comical sidekick shtick. I hope when Jaeyi can, she will admit the horrors of this systemic brutality, apologise, release Garam, acknowledge her agency, compensate her, and work towards dismantling that barbaric system with Garam. Wishful thinking but I hope.

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I believe Garam and her brother were freed along with their dad, which is why murder investigation doesn't seem to care for Garam all that much - she was a potential witness, yes, but she fled and no one bothered to properly search for her. Which would not be the case if she was still a slave. Also, doesn't her bro serves as a guard himself - in capital no less? He gave Jaeyi his uniform and his name was in official register CP recalled. I don't think it's a position that a slave owned by a noble family can legally obtain. As for apologizes and reforming the system... lmao. This is as realistic as Queen's uncle starting a democratic revolution.

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Thanks for your corrections. But I did say I wish so don’t mock my aspirations!😭😊 Also if a proto-feminist depiction is envisaged and executed, why not having the courage to imagine dissenters with emancipatory goals? This is not RL after all and verisimilitude only goes so far.

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It's ok, I personally always wish for romantic sageuks WITHOUT love triangles, but some things just aren't meant to be in kdramaland)))

Proto-feminist depiction of FL (along with her feisty tomboyishness) is by no means rare to the genre. Dramas that actually talk about slavery deeply other than just showing the daily brutality of it to move the plot are... well, not scarce for sure, but also not as common. 50/50 I'd say.

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Forgot to add that dramas which feature a slave/former slave/half-slave (that were legally still slaves in Joseon) among main leads are much more inclined to properly delve into the issue, so if you're really interested in such shows, monitor character descriptions and tags, it's highly likely to pay off.

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Also, it’s nothing close to a dismantling of the institution, but Jaeyi did tell Garam after she got married that she would ask HSO to find a suitable husband for her— not sure if it confirms she’s freed, but at least supports that idea?

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That's an interesting moment, actually. While it doesn't clear much about Garam's status (if she was a slave it would've still be up to Min clan - or Han clan, if she was a part of her mistress' dowry - to decide her marital fate) it was more played like Jaeyi took on the role of Garam's mother in arranging a good marriage for her. Technically if Garam IS free at this point, it should've been her (older?) brother's concern and not Jaeyi's anymore, but girls are so close so maybe Jaeyi felt that she - or her husband-to-be - would be better at it than him. She's likely to know Garam's preferences as well as Garam knows hers and can simply give HSO a detailed wish list, while that can easily be way too awkward of a topic for Garam to discuss with a male sibling in that era. Not to mention that men and women - even nowadays! - have a very different perception of what makes a suitable husband. Either way Garam was very moved by her lady's concern, and for a good reason.

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@dncingemma I am with you entirely in spirit! In fact, at the risk of being a humorless spoil sport, one reason I have trouble with sageuks is that when look at it from a certain perspective, they're treating a horribly repressive system as an opportunity to gaze at beautiful people dressed in exotic (and as regards to women, spectacularly beautiful) hanbok. Even the common sageuk treatment of eunuchs as figures of hilarity because they've been castrated as slave boys is, from a certain perspective, very unfunny.

BUT before I get on my socially-conscious high horse, I always remind myself that the point of even tragic sageuks is not to comment on historical circumstances, but rather to show off the costumes, revel in palace intrigues, and indulge in escapist fantasy. Its exactly similar to me enjoying unrealistic contemporary romances where strong women characters overcome sexism and win the perfect and respectful love of wonderful men--absent the costumes, of course!

Non-fiction history is as much about the time it was written as the time it describes, and most historical romance is even more about the present-day than the past. That's why I don't mind anachronism at all in sageuks, even though I joke about it all the time. It actually makes the show a lot more palatable to me!

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Thank you for taking the time to write this thoughtful response. I always love reading your thoughts and even more so, when you deploy your wit alongside your commentary.

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@hacja: Don’t get a big head though. Or bigger?😂

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Don’t get a big head though. Or bigger?
@dncingemma Don't worry. There is no one more aware of my flaws than I am. Even my wife is nice enough to only mention them occasionally!

But, to the point--one thing that I really worry about given my way too extensive Dramabeans commentary is that I'll be seen as arrogant and disrespectful of any commentor on Dramabeans. I sure hope not, because I've learned far more from commentators than I'll ever contribute back.

I appreciate your position as someone committed to gender equality (and other types of equality). I agree with you on every point. I definitely do not want to come across as a "mansplainer."

I apologize to you, and any woman who reads this, if you've been annoyed at my frequent presence and comments. I reassure myself that if you met me in person, you wouldn't think I had a big head-but who knows--maybe you would! I have to try to work on that, in Dramabeans and elsewhere!

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@hacja: Not at all!:)

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@hacja: I meant to also add that I was teasing you because I paid you a genuine compliment so was alluding to the adage, “don’t let it go to your head”. I hope it didn’t come across as though I was cross.

And believe me, I am pretty quick to realise who is a mansplainer and never regarded you as such. On the other hand, this morning a cabbie tried to mansplain something very basic to me and I politely but firmly put him in his place. The end:)

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"I did find myself wishing that more time had elapsed between the death of her family and Jae-yi's entrance into the East Palace. She witnessed the sudden, brutal murder of her entire family and then went on the run. Girl is very strong, but would clearly still be suffering from PTSD, so the transition to teasing the CP and smiling over his sweet apple gesture was a little abrupt for me."

This has been my big problem. I get that shows mix drama and comedy frequently, but in this case, it really seemed out of place. She witnessed the decimation of her family. I don't see her lying down on a bed and eating an apple while smiling. I can understand people handling grief in different ways, but this goes beyond that. And I also don't even imagine that she has had any time to grieve. She has been through so much trauma and, without having had time to process things, finds herself accused of murder and a fugitive.

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Yeah. That definitely stands out. I get it that she had no time to process it while running for her life. But when she finally found a safe space in that hidden room, I expected her to finally allow herself to grieve. But the writers chose to make the scene about her understanding The crown prince.
The only time we saw her grief was in that cave. I guess they didn’t want to dwell on it and move to romance asap :)

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Maybe writer meant the scene of her crying over the food to be it? The last food spread she saw was the one that got her family dead. Agree that it should've been shown more directly.

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My impression was that her status as a fugitive is part of the reason she can't fully feel the grief of losing her family. She has to run for her life immediately, and doesn't get to take anything with her. She has a short time of recovery in the cave (where, for all we know, she did nothing but sob), but almost all of her time has been spent trying to figure out her next steps so she can clear her name and gather up the shreds of her life.

Maybe the drama could show us more of her private moments, when she actually gets to be alone and the enormity of her grief hits her, but there's no way she can allow herself to dwell in it for very long before she needs to get herself together and focus on what she needs to do. But I also don't think it's strange that she would be having moments of joy in the midst of all that has happened. Grief is a thing you carry with you always but it doesn't always assert itself to the forefront of your mind at every second. It's also difficult to tell exactly how much time has passed, and things like travel take much longer in sageuk-time, so she may have weeks and weeks between her and the initial shock of the tragedy. That's certainly not enough time to feel fine, but it might be enough time for the extreme weight of losing her family to lift slightly, and for her to have renewed determination to clear her name.

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“ Maybe the drama could show us more of her private moments, when she actually gets to be alone and the enormity of her grief hits her, but there's no way she can allow herself to dwell in it for very long before she needs to get herself together and focus on what she needs to do.”

Yes, I agree, she’s in survival mode right now, hiding in disguise and focused on each day not getting caught, proving herself to the CP so she can avenge her family by finding the culprit. She’s compartmentalizing and finding small moments of happiness in order not to crumple. But I agree also that in some private moments, wish we could see her still reeling from all she’s lost and falling apart over the enormity of all she’s experienced before pulling herself back together. @gikata above mentioned that perhaps her weeping over the meal in the secret room could’ve been meant to convey that a bit, but it should’ve been more explicit. She’d been on the run for 15 days, and ofc she’s grateful for food and shelter, but upon those basic needs being met, even though she’s still in danger (just not immediate danger), she should have time to at least somewhat process her loss… or maybe she has to suppress it because she knows if she lets herself go she won’t come be able to stop, and she can’t afford to be “weak” now?

My other observation was that I appreciated when Jaeyi mentioned she couldn’t recall the face of the royal messenger who sent the secret letter due to everything from that day her family was murdered blurring together. And then the CP, who has eidetic memory, said he understands as he, too cannot remember much of the year his brother died. The human brain is an amazing thing, and trauma- and grief-related memory loss is very real. All this to say, agree with everyone that Jaeyi has gone through something unimaginable, so hopefully the drama gives her some space to acknowledge the complexity of her emotions and her traumatized brain trying to deal with all that.

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I have a suspicion that we'll see her properly breaking down - likely in front of Hwan again - later on, maybe once they'll get some real clue about culprit or when she experiences another traumatic situation. She comes from a loving family so it's possible she's just not used to cathartic crying all by herself and needs some strong shoulder (is this where her fetish comes from?) to do it on... But there's no one to assist her with that currently. Even Garam doesn't quite fit. It's very sweet that they can hold hands and kinda comfort each other, but Jaeyi needs more than that for sure.

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Ooh, I love this take, @gikata! Also love, "is this where her fetish comes from?" hahaha!

I think if this is how it plays out, it's definitely got to be Hwan. Almost everyone else believes she killed them, for one. And also it's as much a shared experience between them as grief can be between anyone. They've already established an understanding between them because of their respective losses, so it would make sense for him to be her emotional outlet.

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I love your observation about memory loss and trauma. Yes, memory is a very interesting thing.

I guess I would like to see better execution in the way the drama addresses these issues. I don't mind humor, if handled in a certain way, but for some reason, I don't like the way it has been handled in the show. I hope I am not being too picky.

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I don't think it has completely hit her yet since she has been so preoccupied with proving that she didn't kill her family and finding out why they had to die. She didn't even get to attend their funeral and do any of those things to traditional/ceremonial things.

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I agree with your top comment because I also noted that she has not had time to grieve since she has found herself without family and a fugitive at the same time. And I also like your point about grief not hitting someone all the time. And yes, I get that she is in survival mode.
I didn't have any issues with that. What I didn't like was some of those silly moments.

I would like to see more of those quiet moments where we are more privy to Jae-yi's thoughts.

"It's also difficult to tell exactly how much time has passed."

That is a good point and might have been more helpful. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. :)

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Totally agree that the actor playing Sung on is far from being as appealing as the 2nd Ml in Forbidden Marriage. Also… Hwan is clearly an intelligent and able Prince, whereas the ML in Forbidden Marriage acted like a kid most of the time, I really couldn’t see the appeal (except for him being handsome, obviously).

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Just a thought...should we be suspicious of Hwan's bodyguard? Could he be the betrayer alluded to in the letter?

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Nah, he’s not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, you need intelligence to pull off such betrayal !

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Drama seems directing us towards doubting him, but I'm not all that convinced.

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I was actually suspicious of him from ep1, but now that they keep showing blurry pics of someone in guard uniform betraying the CP, I’m convinced he’s a red herring. With mysteries like this, I tend think it’s always the opposite of what they’re trying to make too obvious…

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Yeah, I think he's loyal to CP - both because he's not smart enough to be a double-agent and since he has no backing up in the palace other than Hwan. He was nothing before Hwan and he can very well end up being nothing - or even less than that - again without him. Sincere loyalty is one thing, but as a street kid shouldn't he at least have this gut feeling about who's the real alpha in the pack to follow?

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I’m not putting boy guard in the clear yet— he’s still on watch, a little sketchy to me still.

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I don’t think so. He probably will be part of the investigative Quartet.

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I don’t know that he’ll be part of the quartet. He may be used in part during investigations, but the CP has never let him in on much even though he’s his personal guard, he’s sent on errands without much context, etc. and I don’t think that will change.

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Hwan reminded Tae-gang he had previously been a "thug in the market place", so I've been wondering the same. Mostly I wonder at the risky behaviour of the CP picking up potentially dangerous waifs and strays and adding them to his household. He obviously feels he is a good judge of character and will be rewarded with loyalty and friendship, but every time? We'll see.

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That's what ALWAYS happens when you don't allow your kid to bring stray pets home!

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Following on from this, I think he takes them in because he is the one that found them before anyone else in the palace did. He can't 100% trust anyone there because they are part of the mechanism, including Sung-on who may, or may not, be his real friend. While it's risky picking up these random mavericks, there's at least a chance that market
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Once again, long essay below warning)))

First of all, let me get this out of my chest - just as @kaddicted I did NOT like the drastic inter-weeks tonal shift, especially between Ep2 and Ep3. If was so jarring that it almost felt like a hastily made damage control after complaints from viewers about tone too grim, romance too scarce etc. If I didn't know that it's technically impossible to re-edit 1h of a fully pre-produced drama this much within 5 days, I'd believe it to really happen. THANKFULLY Ep4 got things back on track. Not fully, imo, but it seriously improved balance between serious mystery/palace intrigue and very silly romcom, added more meat to the plot AND did what I absolutely didn't expect it to do - made a good attempt at explaining things that I've side-eyed. Namely WHY Jaeyi appears so positive and excited after the huge tragedy in her life only a few days later and why Hwan went from nearly chocking her in rage to smiling, sentimentally reminiscing their childhood and even feeling butterflies (or something else. he's a young healthy man and it was early in the morning, right? *grins*) from her touch in less than a day. In Jaeyi's case it's revealed to be coping mechanism/mask she only lets to slip a few times (in front of Garam AND Hwan), and for Hwan... Well, that needs a bit more elaborating. At first I legit feared we're getting the character assassination here in the name of fanservice, but then a certain repeating pattern made me go back and re-evaluate what happened there - namely in storage where our leads had their super tense talk/fight. I was sooo distracted (in more ways than one) by them arguing and getting at each others throats it completely slipped my mind that Jaeyi not only pissed Hwan royally, but also, intentionally or not, found what's probably his weakest spot under all those prickles and pressed it just right enough. Can you guess what said weak spot was? I'll give you two words - praise kink. Yeah, no kidding. Look at it from his perspective: he's a freaking perfect all-rounder (kpop terminology minute lol) for the Crown Prince - brilliantly smart, impressively athletic, naturally shrewd and good at politics, composed, relatively open-minded and fair, morally decent and actually cares a damn lot for his duties as a future king... yet even all that was NEVER enough and he's been subjected to critics, doubts, nasty rumors, threats and deposing attempts of varying violence levels since his first day as CP. Not only that, but he's also openly treated as inferior to his good-for-nothing-kingly younger brother. Even the small circle of people who loudly approve and support him very rarely do so sincerely. So when Jaeyi rudely questions his prowess for ruling, she doesn't just insult him, she also gives him a clear - and super simple - task to win her admiration and loyalty back - by only giving her a chance. Something NO ONE, not even his own ruler - his father - never really gave him.

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OF COURSE he jumps at this opportunity eagerly, tho in his usual tsundere fashion. This is further deepened by other, more casual compliments she gives him - about his genius memory, sweeter than expected personality etc. All the more it stings when she abruptly drags him down from his cloud nine by telling to his face that he's not THAT hot - while seeing and touching all his attractiveness up close!))) This is a perfect by-the-book example of hot-and-cold games that a girl can do to a boy, if I've ever seen one. No wonder he's all ruffled, shaken and more than ever determined to impress her. It's not all romantic - or conscious from his side - yet, of course, but the seeds have been planted. Her probably being the first girl that got THIS close to him emotionally and physically (maids don't really count due to deeply ingrained class prejudice, tho some of his male ancestors clearly thought differently. but he strikes me as smarter than that) is not helping either. And while I'd personally prefer him to melt slower, I can roll with it for now. Also, can we appreciate how caring Hwan turned out to be? Not only he's surprisingly very sweet to his brother (whose mere existence endangers Hwan's position and even life), makes a point of always giving credit where it's due ("you did well" notes, correcting others that he wasn't the one solving bloody brush trick again and again... the last one was actually TOO sweet, so I fully expect this to bite him - or Jaeyi - in the ass later) and making sure that his people are provided with EVERYTHING they may need (notice how he allowed Jaeyi to stay in his Batcave so she doesn't blemish her maiden honor by sleeping in the room fool of men - eunuchs or not). Oh, and he's as obsessed with feeding others as my countryside-born grandmoms are)))

This is contrasting greatly with things we've learned this week about Sung-on - he's romantic, yes, but he's also totally impractical as a husband material overall and very unfit for such role in Jaeyi's life. Gifting her SHOES?! Dude, even I from another side of the world know what this means in your culture! How can you not? And let's not forget that he's shown himself to be narrow-minded, stubborn and unwilling to accept defeat or compromise. AND nowhere near as loyal as he claims himself to be. I'm sorry, Jaeyi, but I'm afraid this guy you have such high hopes for won't give you bed of roses kind of married life. Someone on MDL pointed out his claim to Hwan about being understanding and obedient partner in marriage - and how he did exactly the opposite at public discourse, fuming when: a) things didn't go as he wanted; b) someone "beneath" him outsmarted him. Do we really believe that such guy truly will keep his word? It's only going to get uglier from here - first by him feeling betrayed that CP trusts "a mere eunuch" over him and then by his worst fears of cheating proving true.

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I used to think that Jaeyi x Hwan will break him because guys are supposed to be best friends... Nah, he's just going to be mad because he can't really compete with a whole Crown Prince, unlike her current alleged lover that is sooo easy get rid of anytime. Councilor daddy (that creeps me out terribly with his valid but also very shady observations about the power balance between King and his court in general and Hwan as potential king in particular) is right about him - he's neither a good friend nor a good subject. Whether he'll go face-heel fully and stab CP in the back like the curse says (or it'll be Tae Gang as drama seems trying to make us believe) - we'll see. I won't mind either endgame so he may get redemption arc, die or end up in the Princess' clutches (she's also too smart for him but also sly enough to hide it - this must run in the family).

Myungjin and Garam are fine, but yes, heavy silliness of ALL their scenes feels grating and not in sync with the rest of the drama. I do feel for actors because they don't seem lacking skills, it's clearly script/directing wanting them to be nothing but in-your-face comic reliefs so far. Also, that... erm... performance of Garam with washing sticks was terrible. Poor rat probably died accidentally - or from laughter. Is Hwan going to be only one providing decent action scenes in this drama? Hope not, tho I don't mind him doing it every episode))) Ah, that was SO good, pure balm on my soul - k-media may have dubbed him as Black Rabbit CP (from backwards worn hat scene lol), but he's totally a maine coon when he fights and I'll die on this hill! Back to Myungjin - his insistence that his celeb crush on Jaeyi has nothing to do with her alleged crimes or multiple other men in her life was LMAO. Not sure if he and Garam can work as a couple given their class difference, but he's better to be given a nice love interest before he makes REAL trouble by falling for a cool assassin chick or someone equally wrong next. Btw, all the meta jokes – cheerleading eunuchs, manner legs, pfft^^ I still prefer subtler ones – like Hwan's non-verbal dressing guide (dat cat slap when she messed up bows' order!).

Detective part was ok - now we know that culprit behind Jaeyi's family murder and The Ghost are the same person/team. Snake venom, huh? I suspected that much given the effect it had on Hwan. I also still doubt whether he's being secretly fed this sh** (can we curse here?) even now - in micro-doses to further mess with his arm but without rising a suspicion of another poisoning. We know that at least one of his court ladies and guards each are secretly serving someone else. Poor guy, he worked so hard to clean his inner circle from bad seeds - yet some still managed to slip under the radar. It's also unclear whether they're in cahoots. Or if the person who send letter to Mins has anything to do with that - and did so to harm Hwan. I kinda think they don't.

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@gikata Since you referred to to this, I was going to ask you because of your expertise whether the brief fight training scene involving Park Hyung-Sik came at all close to meeting your tough martial arts standards (I know it was very brief, so maybe you didn't have time to judge.)
Knowing nothing, I mean absolutely nothing, about any sort of fighting except from the multiple fights I've seen in movies and in boxing rings (even thinking of me throwing a punch makes me laugh at how foolish it would be) I tend to judge these scenes based on choreographed grace of movement, and I was pretty impressed that he didn't look awkward at all. But what do you think?

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Hmmm... It was beautifully choreographed, but clearly staged fight - with heavy emphasis on everything, especially CP, looking extra cool with all the impractically broad/complex moves and very obvious posturing. Good - or disappointing, depending on your expectations - touch is the fact that I don't think typical for the genre wires were used at all. As making video shows, there was a stunt double but it seems like most was performed by Hyungsik himself (and I'm SUFFERING here from not knowing if that cool flying leg kick was him or not). Keep in mind that he's actually trained in kendo (and has some rather impressive certified level of it that I can't recall for sure) and went though both hellish idol physical training and military service as part of elite troops, so we shouldn't be all that surprised at him looking convincing in action scenes. I'd say that at this point he's not at the same level as his fellow actors FAMOUS for their martial arts shtick, but he has a great potential to get there if he wants to. Main issue here is that with his resume he seems more skilled in ACTUALLY fighting (Happiness is a good display of this - stunts he does there ARE real and deadly effective if done right) than doing so maximally pretty for the camera^^

P.S. Funny TMI - in Hwarang he also did impressive sword-fighting scenes, wowing everyone on set... but that was kinda tampered by the fact that weapons used in a drama were awfully anachronistic (I think Silla preferred straight swords over katanas) and so was his fencing style)))

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@gikata below, from what I understand, PHS is a 4th Dan black belt in Kumdo, which is the Korean version of Kendo, but I believe he achieved that in middle school when he was competing in the sport, before he got into idol training, so presumably hasn’t been regularly keeping up with it. But since he was impressive in Hwarang and here (you could tell most of it was him, not the double), I’m assuming he’s not forgotten much. I also wanna agree with you that his fighting style in Happiness was SO well-done, really cool looking but at the same time made to look competent, practical and effective, rather than showy, like his character there. As an aside, I’ll say, same with Han Hyo Joo’s action in that drama.

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Just picking up on one thing you mentioned: I think if the CP is starting to have romantic feelings for or stirrings of attraction to Jae-yi, I find that extremely believable. First, he's obviously lonely and hasn't been around women very much. Jae-yi is not only in very close proximity, but she's clever and pretty and from roughly the same social class. And now she's the only person who knows his deepest, darkest secret. For all these reasons, I was fine with the drama shifting from the CP being deeply suspicious of and frustrated with Jae-yi to gazing at her with obvious appreciation and leaving her a gift in the library.

I would expect that Jae-yi, on the other hand, will take longer to see the CP as a potential romantic interest or mate. His obvious physical charms aside (and I do want to say that I love that in this role PHY--a healthy, attractive man in his 30s--looks like a healthy, attractive man in his 30s) she's not only already married in her own mind to someone else, her focus on survival and finding murderers would reasonably tamp down any flirtatious instincts or flutters, imo. So although I greatly anticipate the romance, I don't want the writers to rush it too much (not that you were suggesting they should).

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Oh, there's definitely a lot of reasons for Hwan to fall Jaeyi! Realistic skepticism aside - like that he should've been already married with some kids if lucky at his age - it kinda makes sense politically for him to be still single. His stepmom's family it clearly not into letting him to strengthen his position by marriage. And it probably stung a bit to see his friend (that's younger than him if relationship chart I've seen didn't lie) getting all giddy over starting a family soon when he has none of his own and can't really afford it rn either. Plus that curse... It's perfectly understandable that he fishes for compliments from a lady when opportunity presented itself. That's nice while also safe (he can't be more wrong but he doesn't know it yet), so he relaxes and just goes for it. Problem here is that he relaxed a bit too much (and maybe writer/PD getting too heavy on such scenes - Hyungsik's bedroom eyes ARE a lethal weapon and should be handled carefully) for his own good lol. I'm already dreading the angst that comes when he connects the dots and realizes what deep sh... trouble he's in.

Idk about Jaeyi. Her crush on Sung On is also superficial (people even go as far as suggesting that it was Hwan she liked looks-wise as a kid and not him - well, boys never introduced themselves in front of her so who knows) and is mostly based on her idealistic belief that they're fated and her loyal nature (that makes her want to return to man she can't even be sure still wants her, cleared name or not). So while shallow crush is not much of an issue, the loyalty part clearly will be. Angst incoming: Part 2. Will we have to wait until Sung On fully shows her his true colors so she can get over him? 16 episodes more, plenty of time to drive them and us insane.

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I think Hwan being nice to Jaeyi didn’t feel too sudden because we are being show that Hwan isn’t actually that grumpy and dark innately, he’s just traumatized by that cursed letter and surrounded by people he can’t trust so he walks around with walls up and is suspicious of everyone including her. When Jaeyi triggered him with mentions of the letter and his brother’s death, he reacted viscerally and violently. But notice when she cursed at him and said he would never be a good ruler, he wasn’t so much angry as shocked and indignant. And as she read him for filth, you can see in his face he was processing and hearing her out, weighing her every word whether she seemed to be lying, and how to respond. He only laid hands on her again when she started screaming about the letter and he needed to shut her up. I contrast the CP’s reaction to being outright insulted by a girl here, with HSO, who I’d argue has the much more fragile ego, who was so angry with being challenged by a lowly eunuch. The CP seems someone who’s interested in being a competent ruler by listening to reason and learning, and changing his mind. Whereas HSO seems someone who only wants to appear competent and smart but has no interest in accepting that someone lower in status could actually have something to offer he hadn’t considered.

Also, re: the CP’s softness towards Jaeyi, after she proved herself somewhat with the fake blood/ink, he was already disposed to treating her better. His pass to her to leave the palace was likely a test, as she guesses, and once she passed his other test and made it to East palace, he was ready to accept her and help her. He may tease her and test her by pretending to pawn her off to his siblings, but in the next breath, he gave her a name to bail her out. Seems once he decided she was telling the truth, he was relieved to have someone he can lower his walls around, who knows about the letter but isn’t intent on harming him. So ofc he’ll start to fall for her…imo

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Oh, that's how it's called in SK? I knew but forgot))) Middle school or not, it's hard to forget basics once you get to the 1st Dan level (let alone 4th). And all the fights in Happiness were AWESOME - real, brutal, often dirty and very pragmatic. HHJ surprised me a lot too, never pictured her as action girl before.

Yes, Hwan calmed down pretty fast given how much of an ego beating Jaeyi gave him lol. I also think he's much less of an ego-fragile than Sung On... I suppose being rudely humbled down on a daily basis did some good to him - namely, helped him to learn accepting defeat. Now she also taught him to accept being wrong. He's a hard working student, isn't he? My main issue is rather not with him softening up to her too fast, but with him being not-so-lowkey about it will all those smiles, looong stares, sweet tone, borderline flirty lines etc. He's a tsundere! We tend to fall fast but we don't make it shown right away, that's too scary and embarrassing! That's the whole point of the archetype, you know. Hidden letter with a present that she had to search for (while thinking he trolled her with a lame time-consuming task) feels more like it for his personality. But oh well, boy is just this starved for appreciation and intimacy, what did I expect from him anyway...

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I see what you’re saying— he is being very obvious about his growing affection for her— it’s only ep4, so I smell trouble ahead and soon— I saw a preview [SPOILER]. Trope city, but also tells me his falling for her will probably be progressing way too fast and result in maximum angst.

And yes the PHS gaze is lethal. Like, it’s truly a gift, how he can look at someone so lovingly without seeming at all weird or creepy. His eyes are a national treasure!

And I can go on for days about the power couple that was Yihyun and Saebom and how awesome and fun their tagteam fight scenes were to watch. Some of the best choreography I’ve seen. As someone who grew up watching Jackie Chan films, I like me some flash in my fight scenes, but the Happiness team really nailed the more grounded style with a dash of flair for visual interest. No complaints, lots of rewatches. Those Happiness fight scenes were very underrated, much like the drama.

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@happyokaytales

Hwan is painfully obvious so far, so - his own angst aside - it won't be long before other people start to notice. And, since they are clearly not in a position to question him about it directly, there will be all kinds of theories instead and then rumors... Since "CP is crippled" was more or less rebuked for now, I'm afraid we're in for "CP is gay for his cute little eunuch" in addition to "CP committed fratricide" and "CP is cursed". Queen's clan is gonna throw a party in celebration of those "wonderful" news! Bring your game face back, boy, before you land yourself AND her in a huge trouble!

Yeah, his eyes are something else)))

Happiness got a lot of love, but still it deserved so much more! I watched it live while being sick (and awfully sleep deprived) with covid δ and it was quite an experience lmao))) To this day I wonder how well it could've do if launched as a streaming-only drama instead of trying to compromise with TV restrictions to win the audience that was simply not ready for something hitting this close to home.

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@gikata agreed completely that Hwan needs to keep his game face on to protect himself from malicious palace rumors, but at least so far, the honey eyes have only been deployed when they’re one on one. So palace rumors as of now is that the famously distrustful Prince has a new trusted advisor who’s a lowly eunuch solving cases for him, usurping (former?) bff HSO, ooohh! This is enough to put Jaeyi in potential danger, tbh, so I’d rather they not go the way of gay rumors cuz even though it’s appropriate to the times, I’m not interested in seeing all the homophobia being played out, potentially for laughs.

Happiness should’ve come out on Netflix. The TVing exclusive hampered it so much— it did *really* well domestically on TVing streaming, consistently ranking at the top during airing and also year-end lists, plus online buzz worthy rankings, etc. but the international distribution was all over the place, so it didn’t get a chance to go viral even though it was much beloved among fans who found it. When it debuted on Asia Netflix 4 months later it shot to the top of the charts and stayed for a long time. If only they had coordinated and *marketed* the release for streaming, where a show like this would thrive, people could’ve discovered it all at once and it could’ve blown up. Instead we have people *still* just now discovering it and realizing it’s so good. Sigh.

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@happyokaytales, I may still have some hopes for Hwan's self-control, but none of that for the other people in his palace. Prying ears and eyes are EVERYWHERE, so it's highly unlikely that his secret budding crush stays secret until the very end. Someone's bound to notice for sure. Maybe even Sung On himself - BEFORE realizing that annoying eunuch in question is actually his almost-wife. Yikes.

Yeah, seeing how well PD's current work - The Glory - does in charts and buzz thanks to Netflix makes me kinda salty, even though its core theme and approach to it is arguably more to SK audience's liking than those things in Happiness. Still, it could've been MASSIVE internationally if handled better.

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"Gifting her SHOES?! Dude, even I from another side of the world know what this means in your culture! How can you not?"

How can you not? Clearly I surpassed your expectations! I don't know what it means ... enlighten me.

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In Korean superstition, gifting someone shoes means they will leave you. I don’t know when it started though, if it was a superstition also on Joseon times.

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@happyokaytales summed it up well. It's literally The Worst thing one can do in relationship, this is like ASKING to be dumped lol. And if kdramas don't lie this WAS a thing even back in Joseon.

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That makes sense, and now look at her, living it up in the East Palace with the Crown Prince. Shoe superstitions seem to be a thing. My mother would never allow new shoes on the table (in the north of England it meant somebody will die) so as soon as Jae-yi put the box on the table and opened it, and I saw new shoes inside ... I wanted to sweep that box onto the floor and undo the damage. It seems the shoe superstitions have been accurate so far!

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Wow, that's significantly darker than just a couple breaking up... Esp with how things turned out in the drama.

Where I live there are no widely known superstitions about gifting shoes or shoes in general, but you absolutely cannot gift people with knives/scissors (as this means you'll quarrel and "cut this person out of your life") or handkerchiefs (this means cursing the receiving party to the life full of tears), and if you do, they MUST pay you some symbolic money for it to make it a trade and not a gift. Let's hope Jaeyi won't develop a romantic idea of embroidering a handkerchief for Hwan, his life already sucks as it is!

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It apparently stems from buying new shoes for a funeral, which connected neatly to the way news was broken to the bereaved after a mining disaster. The dead man's fellow miners would turn up at his home to tell his wife, and solemnly put his boots on the table. So new shoes on the table suggests sudden death and funerals. Cheerful, eh! I always tell friends to put them on the floor, even though I live in a different country now, and I say it a lot because the table seems to be the place to examine new shoes!

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Ouch. Sounds really terrible to find out about a tragedy in your own family that way.

We never put shoes on table, unless it's a shoe store's showcase. Doing it at home is simply UNHYGIENIC, no? There's enough trouble with our - perfectly shoeless - cats firmly believing that tables are meant for them to sit/sleep/run on.

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I’ll add onto this cultural sharing and say that in Chinese culture, gifting a clock is a huge insult. Watches, no problem, but no clocks, especially not to relatives. Clocks you gotta buy yourself. Cuz the phrase “gift clock” sounds like the phrase you use to describe when you send off a relative to the afterlife when they die, at this funeral, that whole deal. So gifting a clock is akin to wishing someone dead.

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The sudden editing and zoom in on the faces sometimes takes me out but other than that, I'm pretty giddy about our OTP.

Let him fall first~!

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P.S. Watch this, they're the entire circus of chaos together))) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_vL4qc5V_Y

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The whole vid is worth watching for giggles, but the part I find most pertinent to our discussions and @alathe’s recap, which so accurately calls the CP *awkward*, was when Sonee said the CP was very different with people he’s wary of vs people he can trust. She actually said the CP, much like Hyungsik himself, was playful, silly and goofy when he’s with people he’s at ease with. Which is an amazing and brilliant choice for the writing of this character, imo, to make the brilliant, grumpy, arrogant, cursed Prince an awkward goofball as well, but only in front of certain people. I *love* it.

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One of the funniest drama leads interviews I've ever seen. And to think that they toned it down actually to not give a wrong impression by bickering TOO MUCH on camera... Now I kinda want to see more of this dynamic in a drama. Swoony romance is good, but this was simply FUN.

Goofy Hwan... I'm not sure I'm ready for this, but at the same time... Try me, show)))

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Thanks for posting this. So. Much.Fun. Some of these kinds of videos with other actors are so awkward either because the actors don’t like each other but have to pretend that they do or they have no chemistry with each other which screams ‘boring’.
This one was so refreshing as they projected liking each other and having fun. Maybe because they’ve known each other from before and are acquaintances or perhaps friends or have become close.

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I rarely watch this kind of promos because, like you said, most of them are simply actors sitting close awkwardly and reciting obviously scripted praises to each other's looks, hard work, claiming to be huge fans since diapers age etc. This one I clicked on out of the boredom with zero expectations and was ELATED.

From what I get they didn't know each other prior to this drama, but they are the same aged - which apparently works magically for Koreans in terms of establishing friendship - and kindred souls (both are essentially kids in playground).

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Thank you for the recap, @alathe! You're always great at capturing both the scenes and our reaction to them!

I sort of found this week's set of episodes a little slow, but I'm glad that the CP has lightened up (his hypocrisy in episode 2 was driving me nuts) and made some acknowledgments that Jae-yi solved the blood brush mystery. Jae-yi and Garam are still my ultimate ship. I was so happy to see them reunited again. I love all their scenes together (them squeeing over Sung-On was so cute) and would totally dig a spinoff. If no spinoff, kdramaland needs to get on writing a drama focused on a Joseon female Sherlock and Watson.

Jeon Seo-nee has a low enough voice to pass a guy, but I'm surprised Myung-jin hasn't figured out that Pyo Ye-jin/Garam is a girl given how high her voice is and how observant he is. I love that weirdo, Myung-jin. I wonder how the Crown Prince finds him reliable enough to do autopsies. I guess Garam wasn't flattering him when she mentioned his awesome reputation. I would love to see CP+Myung-jin interactions. I feel like the CP is sort of cold towards Sung-On despite them growing up together. I know the CP doesn't trust anyone, but the air feels colder between him and Sung-On and that's before he started falling for his fiance.

Looking forward to the mystery-solving!

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Plot twist: Myungjin knows, but he's so excited to have an apprentice that he just doesn't care)))

Yep, "friendship" between CP and Sung On feels super tense and icy. Curse aside, Hwan was VERY quick to believe that Sung On was trying to shoot him in Ep1. And Sung On - bro, u ok? Who does that to his best friend with SUCH face unless there was an assassin with a knife right behind said friend's shoulder? Was there more issues between them in the past that we're not aware of? Or maybe not between them directly but Councilor Han and Hwan. Maybe Hwan knows deep inside that Sung On's biggest loyalty is not with him, so if there's ever a conflict of interests...

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The iciness from Hwan is due to the cursed letter telling him his best friend would betray him, making him not just wary of everyone around him, but especially of HSO. I’d say in the early eps Hwan seems to run hot/cold to HSO, showing that he keeps alternately his friend’s loyalty and himself. Even in the CP’s internal monologue where he was wondering which hand he should hold and which hand he should drop, he was weighing between Jaeyi and HSO… and for whatever reason, he’s at least partly decided not to fully trust his bff. He’s never told him about the letter, for example. And now that he has to keep Jaeyi a secret form him, too, it’s another secret to drive them apart. Hm, this friendship is pretty doomed, huh?

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*alternately questioning his friend’s loyalty and himself

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Well, technically Hwan never told ANYONE about the letter himself (only contemplated about telling his teacher before ultimately deciding not to), so it's not like HSO was the only one omitted. Someone else let the cat out of the bag leading to Jaeyi knowing. And I find it really funny how everyone just expects THE FUTURE KING to be the one working on earning their trust when it should've been THEM proving themselves to him first.

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I think the contents of the letter was written in the fake letter sent with the wedding present. The fake letter was seeking help to solve the mystery of the first letter.

I think what Sung-On's dad was right on the money about how people are distrustful of a king who is intelligent and has a mind of his own. The ministers all want a figurehead king and to rule the country themselves behind the scenes.

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@asianromance, but who send the fake letter if Hwan himself didn't and - supposedly - no one else knew about the curse? And what for? The most logical answer is that someone tried to help Hwan anonymously. Who is that unexpectedly informed person and what are they're trying to gain from supporting CP?

Indeed, ALL ministers, Sung On's dad included. He wasn't even that low-key about it...

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I'm thinking about the contents of the original letter sent by the ghost. It was mainly a list of penalties that would be suffered by Hwan, one of which was his friend stabbing him in the back. Clearly meant to isolate him with no-one to turn to, so he tries confiding in his old master but did not send any of the letters he wrote. We saw them all scattered around on the floor, lots of them. He couldn't find the right words, or possibly how his master could even help him. Something obviously stopped him from sending a letter, as who can he trust to deliver it? Somebody has succeeded in driving a wedge between Hwan and Sung-on, and then we are privy to the conversation between Sung-on and his father, who ably demonstrates how SO falls down on the job by considering family loyalties before his loyalty to the CP. Is Councillor Han for or against Hwan? Was the turtle found in the raid one of the originals or just a replica used to test Sung-on's loyalties?

If someone wanted to help Hwan by sending the letter, why not hide it among the gifts to be delivered before the journey started? The very act of killing the CP's messenger and replacing him doesn't sound helpful at all. Somebody wanted Jae-yi's father to know about the lurid letter that the CP had decided against sharing, and went to criminal lengths to do so behind his back. Then the family get poisoned but only after the letter is read. Was the poisoner on hand to act after the letter was opened, or was that just coincidence and the family was poisoned to prevent a strong alliance being made by marriage? OR, did Sung-on's family become aware of the Princess's interest in him and decide at the last minute to sabotage the wedding in pursuit of a higher connection? I think there could be a few things going on behind the scenes while our eyes are being directed to the problem of the letter.

Also, where is Jae-yi's "lover",who was brought up as a member of the household? He has disappeared just as Jae-yi did but nobody seems to think he could be involved other than as a marriage wrecker. I think he might know something and has skipped off for his own safety. He might supply some information if he shows up later, whether it be the ID of the messenger, or who really put poison in the food, or something else we are not yet aware of. I'm actually wondering if there are two "ghostly" factions here - one pushing for chaos, the other observing and preventing things from deteriorating too far.

For this reason, I think the contents of the ghost's letter are more widely known than we think. Somebody wanted Jae-yi's father to know, and possibly somebody else wanted to stop him from knowing and offering help. Who picked up all the crumpled letters written by (but not sent by) the CP? OK, let's assume he burned them, but he was chucking them around the room, one might have rolled under the furniture to be discovered by a spy cleaner or eunuch. And what about the messages being passed via...

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... And what about the messages being passed via the container buried under a stone? We saw a neat letter being exchanged but who is to say a crumpled draft didn't make its way in there previously?

I think I've raised more questions than I've answered but it's just things I've been pondering on having read other comments and thinking back on what we've seen so far.

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@kaddicted, Councilor Han seems to more on the status quo (aka King always being secondary to his court) side than anything else. Whether he actively plots against Hwan or just passively disapproves of him as a future king remains unknown for now. I'm afraid his interactions with his son - who he clearly doesn't think all that high of either - are just not enough to get him as a political figure.

Yes, I also think that one of Hwan's unsent letters ended up being stolen. His perfect memory aside, guy is awfully stressed about the whole issue so it's possible he was not paying enough attention to secrecy here and didn't notice a draft missing.

Princess being into Sung On actually is NOT in Han clan's interest at all - whoever marries a princess is not allowed to take any important government position by law, so no way Councilor Han wants such fate for his son. He's very open about wishing for the opposite - Sung On to succeed him as a big player in court.

Secret message exchange in CP's palace are also may not be related to anything above. It's The Palace - everyone casually spies on everyone there))) We'll discuss it further under next recap bcs spoilers, but Ep5 actually made me think that CP may know about this info leak...

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I’ve tried 3 times to get into this show, but there’s something throwing me off. Is it the pacing? Why does it feel disjointed to me? It’s like ep#1 was actually ep#4 and we were just thrown into the story. Storylines move so quickly and we’ve had zero opportunity to fully realize who these people are and what they’re about.

I can’t pinpoint it much better than that. It’s frustrating as heck to want to enjoy something and it slips from your grasp.

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I'm not sure why, but I wasn't expecting the lightness & humor in this drama. When it verged into slapstick territory. It was a lot in Episode 3. It didn't grab me as much as Episode 4. Maybe it was weird and too much after the tragic, dramatic backstory/setup during the premiere week.

Enjoyed EP 4 way more because of the investigating and analyzing of the mysteries. I was curious to see what methods would be used. I liked the deduction process during the public discourse.

I love the apple scene near the end. From Hwan's words of acknowledgement to the hidden apple find and Jae Yi's delight, it was all cute and sweet. I was just thinking who was going to fall first? But duh, Hwan would be the one because Jae Yi is still thinking of her fiancé. (Awkward.. lol)

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Okay, so we can't run away from serial killers, huh? It doesn't matter if it is 2023 or the joseon era, we get or little Sherlock moments.

The difference is that this time, I'm okay with it. I think it's going to be fun watching our leads (the 4 of them) investigate.

I'm enjoying the little things a lot.
The scenes between the sibilings was a little of fresh air. The three of them seem to genuinely like and support each other. I hope the little prince's mom won't ruin their relationship.
The scenes between Ga Ram and our FL, or Ga Ram and Min Young are nice to watch too. The girls are lovely and MY is hilarious and cute.
I also love Hwan's guard and his dynamic with Jae Yi. I think we can expect an "from enemies to besties" trope here.
And of course the leads are the most adorable pair. Can Jae Yi help him change his clothes for the rest of the show, please?

The SL... yeah, I don't like that guy. Even after his dad scolded him, I don't think he got the point. So I'm preparing myself mentally for any of his future dumb/wrong decisions.
And talking about his dad... That conversation was really interesting.
After episode 3 I was really suspicious of that ahjussi. His speech sounded like he wanted a puppet king or at least like he didn't really wanted the king to have any real power because the ones with the real wisdom were the ministers.
But now... I wonder if he's just worried about his country or if he really is the typical two faced power-hungry joseon noble.

So I'm guessing there's two options:
1. He wants his son to genuinely support Hwan so he can be a great king in the future.
2. He wants Hwan to trust his son, so he can manipulate him and get the power.

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I think both options are possible - at the same time, I mean. We saw that delusion of uprightness runs in this family - with Sung On as example. Why not have Councilor daddy to sincerely believe that him manipulating/keeping in check the court and king (current and next one) is for the country's best interest? And he's shaping up his son to succeed him in that, tho not to great results so far.

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Interesting. 🤔 I think you could be right.

But I really want to know who told him that he was the one with the answer, I want to know who gave him the right to decide what's wrong, what's right, what's best and what's not. He seems way too confident and righteous.

Let's hope he's just a kkondae with good intentions and not the true villain of the show.

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Maybe that's hereditary and he's simply continuing his own father's and grandfather's path. For all that big talk about court consisting of best minds in Joseon that any great king would be inferior to he conveniently forgot to mention that those best minds were chosen among sons of privileged noble families. Which makes his passionate critique of dynastic structure of monarchy very funny. And to drive the point further we've been directly shown what he thinks about brilliant minds from lesser background at that discourse...

I don't think the true villain - aka The Ghost - is him. But who said there's only one villain here?

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I agree with you. He forgot that the children of nobles or slaves have the same fate. Everyone in Joseon lives according to their parents' status, but he makes him seem like the problem was the crown prince and not the system itself.

Half of the characters are suspicious, and some of them have openly plotted against the CP, but so far the only characters that seem really suspicious imo, are the king and Sung On's dad.

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@enriquequierecagar, personally I don't trust the King one bit, but he was literally named as a suspect in like what, Ep2? That's far too early and obvious for a mystery drama.

Crown Prince is surely a problem for everyone who doesn't want to have King with brains on the throne. List is VERY long, I'm afraid)))

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