Vincenzo: Episode 17
by quirkycase
Our lead’s grief sends him on the warpath, eager to dole out vengeance in the way he knows best. As he takes on Babel with renewed resolve, he’s supported by his tenant family who is ready to go all-in on this fight. But, as always, there are crosses and double-crosses thrown into the mix that add a layer of unpredictability on both sides of this dangerous game.
EPISODE 17
Vincenzo enters the villa with a vengeance. After he kills the man who murdered his mother, he trains his gun on each person in the room. They panic when he fires off several shots around them.
Everyone cowers while Vincenzo calmly says that killing his mother was both evil and foolish. He’d let them live until now because it’d be a hassle to kill them, but they’ve just sealed their deaths.
He calms them as they scream and whimper, saying that he won’t kill them today. Instead, he vows to give them two things: humiliation and a slow, agonizing death. Vincenzo orders them to “clean up the trash” and warns them against pinning the man’s death on him.
Vincenzo has one last order of business before he leaves. Joon-woo scrambles back as Vincenzo advances. To give him a taste of what’s to come, Vincenzo shoots him in the ear.
Once he’s finished, Vincenzo goes to see his mother’s body. He breaks down sobbing, resting his bloody hand on her forehead, and finally calls her “Mom.”
All the tenants show up in support at the funeral, after which Cha-young accompanies Vincenzo to Kyung-ja’s grave. Vincenzo feels like her death is his fault, but Cha-young argues he brought joy back into his mother’s life, even if it was for a brief time. Vincenzo confesses that he already misses her and breaks down in tears. Cha-young pats his back while he cries.
That night, Vincenzo sits at home in the dark with the scarf his mother made and reads the letter she wrote to Cha-young. She asks her to give the scarf to her son once she’s gone since it’s the only thing she has to give.
Kyung-ja asks Cha-young to take care of Vincenzo and relay her words to him: “Ju-hyeong, you were my blessing and happiness. You were the reason I carried on living.” There was never a moment that she didn’t love him, but she apologizes for not being able to show him that love. Vincenzo cries as he reads her letter.
Meanwhile, Joon-woo has a temper tantrum at the hospital while the nurses try to do their jobs and disinfect his only mildly damaged ear. He flips out when Han-seo and Myung-hee dare suggest he stay and get treated. Joon-woo eventually agrees so long as Myung-hee promises to make sure Vincenzo suffers a painful death.
Vincenzo dreams of his vicious Mafia deeds again, particularly the man he murdered in his car. Vincenzo’s eyes widen to see a child clutching a teddy bear and turning fearful eyes on him. Then, he sees his own time at the orphanage, which leads to memories of meeting Kyung-ja again.
The next morning, Young-woon comes over, bringing Vincenzo guns and bullets; Vincenzo is ready to make his opening chess move against Babel. He heads downstairs to find all the tenants waiting for him.
Hee-soo tears up and gives him a warm hug. Hong-shik says they’ve all closed their shops for now so they can go all in on the fight with Babel. Everyone from pregnant Yeon-jin to CEO Park offers to do whatever they can.
Team Leader Ahn realizes his lifelong dream by saying they’re all part of the Cassano family now. Vincenzo can’t say anything as he stares into their earnest faces and Hee-soo holds his hand.
Joon-woo is extra touchy as he prepares for the auction that day. Vincenzo calls him and lets him know their game of chess starts today. He taunts that losing all your pieces and being left alone on the board is humiliating. Joon-woo insists he won’t lose, but Vincenzo tells him in Italian that the beginning of defeat is fear, so he’s already losing.
At Geumga Plaza, the tenants wonder what they can do to help Vincenzo. Just then, Joo-sung waltzes in with Vincenzo’s black credit card and says they’re going shopping for the Cassano uniform.
Soon, everyone is stylin’ in their new black suits and shades, strutting down the street. Elsewhere, Cha-young and Vincenzo look over the construction permit for Babel Tower and prepare for their next step.
By the time Joon-woo and his team arrive for the Babel Tower auction, the tenants have thoroughly infiltrated the event as fake workers. While Han-seo and Joon-woo kick off the auction, the tenants carefully guard the hall outside.
Vincenzo and Cha-young watch a live feed of the proceedings from a hotel room. Midway through, one of Vincenzo’s minions arrives and is let into the auction by Cheol-wook. The minion catches Myung-hee’s eye and she jumps back in shock, but she tells Joon-woo she doesn’t know him.
The man reveals a bomb strapped to his chest and a bomb hidden inside a cake. He tells the terrified attendees that he was kidnapped and has been following orders through texts, so he doesn’t know who’s behind this.
We flash back to the hotel room when Vincenzo instructed the minion to ensure everyone thinks it’s a real bomb. He tells the minions that they’re free after this job and should leave the country right when it’s finished.
When the minion orders everyone at the auction to cut ties with Joon-woo and annul their Babel Tower contracts, Joon-woo realizes Vincenzo is behind it. They’re suspicious that the bombs are fake, so the minion proclaims the miniature Babel Tower will explode in five seconds.
He counts down … and the bomb on his chest explodes. Daaamn. The panicked crowd begins screaming and banging on the doors.
In the hotel room, Cha-young stares in shock, clearly unaware of this part of the plan. Vincenzo reminds her he promised he wouldn’t let the men responsible for her father’s death escape. He’d planned to let her push the button but, in the end, thought it’d be better if he did the deed himself.
When Cha-young puts her head in her hands and stands shakily, Vincenzo asks if she changed her mind about punishing the men. Cha-young recalls seeing her father’s dead body with the now-dead minion walking right by her. She pulls herself together and says she stands by her decision.
Amidst the chaos in the auction room, everyone’s phones start going off. Mi-ri sends a group text relaying Vincenzo’s instructions: find their contract and eat it, after which they must kneel and swear to disavow Babel.
Everyone follows his orders without hesitation while Joon-woo and his clique watch on. They all receive a final text commanding them to make sure no one knows this event ever happened. And with that, they’re all set free.
Han-seo tries to warn Joon-woo that they should pay attention to the cake, but he’s dismissed. Of course, the timer on the cake bomb starts up again. The “bomb” goes off, spraying champaign everywhere. Up in their room, Cha-young is surprised how easily they won this round.
The next day, Attorney Han goes to see someone asking for a meeting with “the elder.” He wants to talk to him about the Guillotine file.
Meanwhile, the second minion goes to see Myung-hee and admits to defecting to Vincenzo’s team (somewhat involuntarily). He drops to his knees and begs for her to save him. She tells him to explain everything over drinks, and he hops in her car.
Elsewhere, Vincenzo and Han-seo play ice hockey. It turns out Han-seo tipped Vincenzo off about the auction. Eager to be of use, he agrees to tell Vincenzo if there are any power shifts after recent events. Then, he smiles anxiously as he double-checks that Vincenzo isn’t planning to kill him.
When Vincenzo goes to leave, Han-seo asks him to wait and skates after him. They get their own little romantic moment when Han-seo slips on the ice and Vincenzo catches him. Afterward, Han-seo steels himself and mumbles unintelligibly a couple of times before bringing himself to thank Vincenzo for opening his eyes to how foolish he’s been.
Vincenzo stares at him for a beat and then whacks Han-seo’s hockey stick out from under him, knocking Han-seo on his butt. Han-seo just smiles like “that Vincenzo.” Meanwhile, in the middle of nowhere, Myung-hee has the minion beaten to death and buried by her subordinates.
After getting some tips from Vincenzo and Cha-young on how to engage the enemy, the tenants go out in their snazzy new suits and blackmail the attendees of the auction using the recording of the event. They manage to halt Babel Tower’s construction and the redevelopment of Geumga Plaza.
At Babel, Joon-woo makes Han-seo nervous by saying that getting shot by Vincenzo reminded him of how Han-seo shot him. Joon-woo doesn’t seem angry, though, when he says that he’s grateful to be alive. He reminds Han-seo that they’ve only got each other.
Joon-woo reveals that Han-seo’s mother once asked him to be nice to Han-seo and look after him, even if he didn’t give him anything. Joon-woo surprises Han-seo by saying that, now that Han-seo is smarter, he’s going to give him Babel Bio as a test run. He can have Babel Chemicals or Pharmaceuticals if he does well.
After displaying the required amount of humility by insisting he doesn’t deserve it, Han-seo happily accepts. Joon-woo is strangely accommodating and even gives his brother a non-threatening hug. I keep waiting for him to go berserk, but he doesn’t.
While Attorney Han meets with Candidate Park (the “elder” he’d asked to meet earlier) to talk about the Guillotine file, the Jipuragi team notes that real estate is a common theme throughout the file. Specifically, Babel has been in cahoots with a developer called IUDC.
Candidate Park, who’s running for president, not only bought up land around Babel Tower but his brother-in-law is head of IUDC. Now, Candidate Park listens in disbelief to Attorney Han’s story that an Italian mafioso has both trillions in gold and the Guillotine file buried under what will soon be Babel Tower. In another bid to protect himself, Attorney Han offers (begs) to be Candidate Park’s shield.
Vincenzo visits Nanyak Temple to make another plea to the monks to move. For their own safety, of course. They’re content where they are, but they do have a question for Vincenzo. We don’t get to hear said question, but Vincenzo smiles smugly once he leaves.
Joon-woo, Han-seo, and Myung-hee meet with some of their important connections like Director Tae, hoping to bribe them into getting Babel Tower built. Afterward, Joon-woo calls them his “pawns,” making Han-seo look away and roll his eyes before praising his cultured chess analogy. Pfft.
Over at Jipuragi, Team Leader Ahn happily introduces Director Tae to the team. In a flashback, Vincenzo lets Team Leader Ahn in on the fact that he has the Guillotine file. Team Leader Ahn wholeheartedly agrees to trust Vincenzo and let him use the file before turning it over.
Vincenzo had then sent him to tell Director Tae everything. They’d had him infiltrate the corrupt elites to get close to Babel. He’d also scared people out of going after Vincenzo.
Now, Director Tae brings Jipuragi his recording of the latest meeting at Joon-woo’s. Director Tae is shocked to see his former agent Young-woon at the office, and Team Leader Ahn gets all excited to realize they’re colleagues. He even gets the satisfaction of, surprisingly, being the sunbae in the relationship with Young-woon having to be deferential.
At Joon-woo’s, they get a shock of their own when Candidate Park’s right-hand man Chief Kim shares that Attorney Han is going to be appointed as a chief prosecutor. He then orders them not to go after Vincenzo because it’d cause an international issue.
Joon-woo bristles at being told what to do, but he’s stunned speechless when Chief Kim remarks, “For a boy who poisoned his own father, you sure talk back a lot.”
Angering Joon-woo further, Chief Kim suggests – in a very commanding way – that Han-seo take over the company again for now. Han-seo and Attorney Han secretly wink at each other, while Joon-woo and Myung-hee fume. But seeing as Chief Kim is speaking for the (likely) next president, they can only push back so much.
Han-seo and Attorney Han celebrate their win over drinks. But Han-seo freezes when Attorney Han says that Interpol will arrest Vincenzo within 24 hours. Attorney Han got in touch with Paulo to find a crime Vincenzo committed that he could report to Interpol.
Han-seo ecstatically applauds his strategy. Later, he stares at pictures of his brother and Vincenzo and laughs as he wonders who’ll come out on top.
While the Jipuragi team watches Attorney Han accept his chief prosecutor position on TV, Vincenzo gets a call from Han-seo saying he has something urgent to tell him. As the Interpol agents arrive in the country, Vincenzo meets Han-seo on the ice rink.
Han-seo sighs that he doesn’t like having to make these tough decisions. He’s had fun with Vincenzo, but their time is over. Han-seo pulls out a gun and turns to face Vincenzo, but Vincenzo is faster and already has his gun trained on Han-seo.
Vincenzo notes that Han-seo is just like his brother and assumes he must’ve achieved his goal if he’s betraying him like this. Scared now that he’s facing a gun, Han-seo tries unsuccessfully to convince Vincenzo his own gun isn’t loaded. Vincenzo clicks off the safety and tells Han-seo to shoot.
Suddenly, Interpol and a SWAT team burst in and surround them. Their guns aimed at Vincenzo, they announce his arrest and demand he lower his weapon. Vincenzo turns slightly toward them, and a shot rings out. Blood blossoms on Vincenzo’s chest as Han-seo’s gun smokes.
Han-seo’s gun is still raised as he stares with wide eyes, seeming shocked at what he just did, while Vincenzo drops to his knees. They stare at each other until Vincenzo collapses unconscious on the ice, blood pooling around him.
COMMENTS
And I liked you, Han-seo! I was rooting for him, at least, to be redeemed a little and be better than his family. He seemed to genuinely like Vincenzo, so I’d hoped he’d stay on their side. But with the environment he’s grown up in, it’s not unexpected that he’d devalue people and focus solely on power. Of course, with how often things turn out to be feints in this drama, who knows? It’d be quite the gutsy move to kill off the main character with three episodes to go, so I’m assuming Vincenzo survives this latest shooting. I wouldn’t even be surprised if it’s another fake shooting like the one from the warehouse many episodes ago. I don’t fully believe anything I see since there are so many red herrings, and we usually don’t have the whole picture. Take the Director Tae situation, for example. Once again, we got a fake-out where we were only given enough information to mislead us into thinking he was one of the baddies.
Assuming Vincenzo really did get shot, even if he survives intact, this Interpol situation doesn’t look good for him. If Paolo gave Attorney Han evidence of a crime, particularly of international scale, it should be harder for Vincenzo to scheme his way out of this one. I do kind of wonder, though, why they wouldn’t employ this method sooner. If there’s evidence of Vincenzo’s crimes lying around, you’d think his enemies would make use of it. And why is it so easy to get ahold of the Mafia? Everyone just calls them up to chat on the phone whenever they have a question.
I have to admit, it’s quite gratifying to see Myung-hee and Joon-woo cower in fear. They’re all big and bad until faced with the same threats of violence they’ve consistently used against everyone else. They might have the influence and power, but Vincenzo is the fearless one. He’s always so composed and in control, even when he’s exacting vengeance for the murder of his mother. Like Vincenzo said, Joon-woo’s fear could be the start of his downfall. He comes off as so much more desperate, and now he’s even losing backing. Also, Joon-woo was suspiciously nice to Han-seo this episode. There’s no way he gave Han-seo a subsidiary out of the non-existent goodness of his heart; he must have a game plan. I guess that’s kind of irrelevant since Han-seo is being reinstated as the official chairman, at least for now. I wonder if having the backing of Candidate Park will make Han-seo bolder and more open in his fight with his brother for the company.
Speaking of family, I love how the tenants have come through for Vincenzo; they even closed their shops to make sure they can jump into the fray against Babel. They’ve obviously adopted Vincenzo as family, and right now, I think he needs that. Hopefully, having people who care about him will help him not lose himself in his grief and rage. Although Cha-young shares Vincenzo’s thirst for vengeance and his eye-for-an-eye sense of justice, she was pretty shaken by that guy’s death. Maybe she didn’t realize how nice Vincenzo had been playing until now, or maybe she was just shocked seeing someone die violently in front of her eyes and being party to it. She did agree with his decision in the end, but she’s obviously not used to the ruthlessness of Vincenzo’s world. Not that anyone should be. I just hope they can end this fight without everyone dying in the process.
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1 Possum
April 27, 2021 at 11:24 PM
This episode really shows how nice Vincenzo has been playing up until now.
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Screentime
April 28, 2021 at 1:45 AM
I know. We again see his world is all about his version of right (regardless of where his story started or how heart breaking it was). It is the question at the ending of Peter Brook's rendition of "The Mahabharata" and it is soul destroying.
.."After he kills the man who murdered his mother"... Sure that sounds convincing as a one liner, but who would trust any one's word as fact in this world when everyone has angles to play and people to protect/fear.
We could almost start the shortest list on DB of SK Drama shows that weren't about vigilante justice.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 7:47 PM
Forget kdramas, most of the Marvel superhero films (most superhero films, actually) feature heroes who are effectively vigilante , it feels like such a common feature in storytelling. All the way back to Robin Hood.
For kdramas it even goes all the way back into sageuk though - every Hong Gil-dong or Iljimae drama has a vigilante hero. Vincenzo is closer to an antihero though, since he started out as acting in self-interest.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 9:52 PM
You could say that again!
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2 Jance
April 28, 2021 at 12:09 AM
You know, for a shot through the ear I was expecting more than earring tape...
I may be an idiot, but I trust Han-Seo. I’ve been loving his snarky looks every time Joon-woo says anything. He’s maturing... right?
Also: those new outfits were class.
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ar_arguably romantic
April 28, 2021 at 3:18 PM
I was disappointed that not more of the ear was shot off.
Guess it proves that Vincenzo is a very good shot to shoot only the bottom tip of the ear.
I loved those new outfits. A different style for each character. They looked perfectly tailored, and they all looked incredibly attractive. Better than the suits celebrities wear to awards shows. I love it when we can see on-screen evidence of how much the production takes care of the supporting characters,
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 7:49 PM
I love that Vincenzo is so liberal with the Cinderella shopping sprees, no one gets left out 😂
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 7:52 PM
That's like three makeover/new outfit scenes now? First Vincenzo, then Cha-young, now the whole Geumga squad. But seriously, they look so sharp in their all-black and slick hairdos, I love the power walk scene. They're a good bunch, and I'm rooting for them to all get away with that gold.
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shichybot
April 28, 2021 at 10:47 PM
It's not an earring tape. It's an airpods case lol
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3 seoul_searcher
April 28, 2021 at 12:17 AM
No not Han seo! I really liked seeing Vincenzo begrudgingly but slowly warming up to him and it seems Han Seo may find an actual brother figure in Vincenzo. I’m holding out hope that it is just another ruse and that Han Seo is nothing like his psychotic brother.
Seeing Dark Vin was so satisfying and not to mention the plaza tenants turning just as dark with their slick outfits and strut, found family at its finest!
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ar_arguably romantic
April 28, 2021 at 3:19 PM
I think it was this episode that Han Seo said his eyes were going bad from reading so much - so it looks like he's actually studying!
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 12:27 PM
Exactly, maybe six episodes ago I'd have truly believed Han-seo had pulled a betrayal, but here he is, trying really hard to be accepted by a nicer brother figure than his actual horrible hyung.... I doubt he'd actually go and betray him like that. Not after the pig's blood shower!
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4 pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 12:43 AM
quick note on Han-seo: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
(Seriously, this would fly in the face of all his previous character development - which is that he's a dimwit and knows it, but also has just enough smarts to realise that his brother is a psycho beyond redemption and that Vincenzo is capable of outplaying them all. I doubt he'd go right back to being that level of dolt and actually trusting Han-seok)
And finally we get Song Joong-ki on ice! I choose to believe @kiara manifested this!
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kiara
April 28, 2021 at 1:35 PM
Poor Han-seo just need some brotherly love.
That was nice 😊. Do I dare ask for more?
I'd love to see his best buddy Lee Kwang-soo in a cameo.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 9:22 PM
I feel like that's an obvious 50 percent of why Han-seo keeps hanging around Jipuragi and seeking Vincenzo's approval lol.
I was convinced, at the end of the episode, that the betrayal can't be real based on that bullet and the wound caused. Han-seo is an easily led and impulsive dimwit, sure, but I doubt he'd go back to trusting his brother just cause he didn't threaten him the once. And if he wanted Vincenzo dead, he wouldn't have called the fire services to Geumga in ep 16. I choose to believe in character growth! (the person he is now wouldn't get into a DUI, but him in episode 1-5? Totally would be just a standard-issue spoilt Chaebol with Issues)
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ar_arguably romantic
April 28, 2021 at 3:22 PM
Han-seo is opposed to his brother's evil, but I feel like Attorney Han seems less evil and more affable enough that Han-seo can be tempted to let him "guide" him into getting rid of Vincenzo by having him arrested.
And it looks like Han-seo took a screenshot of Vincenzo's instagram page? Lol!
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 8:06 PM
That's just the thing, Han-seo tried playing Vincenzo before (and V refused saying he doesn't get into family feuds) and it didn't work.
I did think the angle from which the bullet was shot didn't seem right to cause that would but this drama does keep us on our toes!
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 8:58 PM
Ugh I meant "the angle from which the bullet was shot didn't seem right to cause that wound in Vincenzo's left shoulder"
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saturtledaisy
April 28, 2021 at 4:05 PM
i was so excited to see vincenzo and han seo on ice
i watched the entirety of triple and now i can finally say it was worth it - just because it made me appreciate vincenzo on ice even more
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 9:24 PM
I tried watching Triple years ago, after Nice Guy, but never made it past ep 2 - should probably give it another go once the inevitable Vincenzo-withdrawal sets in after this weekend!
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saturtledaisy
April 29, 2021 at 12:29 AM
I don't know what I'm going to do with my life after Sunday.
I honestly can't really recommend Triple though. Theres got to be better Song Joongki shows to watch...
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 1:16 AM
I think it's all right if one is a SJK filmography completist, but yeah, you do rather have to be one to put up with it!
Time to check if Tree with Deep Roots is still on Netflix!
kiara
April 29, 2021 at 2:34 AM
"TREE WITH DEEP ROOT" is always my first recommendation. It was his first acclaimed and news worthy role.
kiara
April 29, 2021 at 3:02 AM
“Triple” has 4 talented oppas in their early years.
Song Joong-ki, Lee Jung-Jae, Yoon Gye-sang and Lee Sun-kyun.
It’s hard to go back after seeing how good they are now.
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Kurama
April 29, 2021 at 5:53 AM
I think I liked Obstetrics and Gynecology Doctors for his old dramas.
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saturtledaisy
April 29, 2021 at 6:22 AM
i watched it and i remember didnt hate it, but its been many years since i watched it. he had a cute supporting character role/romance and an unforgettable scene with a piece of toast
5 Kurama
April 28, 2021 at 2:01 AM
With Taecyeon's ears, I was kinda imagining to see a hole in it or one less piece like in comis/BD.
Vincenzo is the perfect Italian, charming everybody around him and I'm pretty sure that Han-Seo is not different. Nobody can't resist him whether it is the NIS agents or the tenants or his past enemies!
The ice rink scene reminded me that SJK was a speed ice skater in the past. KDY played hockey since his special drama Puck!.
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Eazal
April 28, 2021 at 9:20 AM
I didn't know SJK was a speed ice skater, but you I could see he was really comfortable in the ice rink.
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Kurama
April 28, 2021 at 9:53 AM
I think he said it when he was part of the Running Man casting. He played one in Triple too (if I remember well, this drama wasn't so good...).
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Emperor Titus
April 28, 2021 at 11:06 AM
Song Joong-ki used to compete in National Games until he got a career-ending injury in his first year into high school (so he kind of playing himself in 2009 drama Triple). Bad for the sport, good for Dramabeans.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 5, 2021 at 9:12 PM
I love it when actors bring their real-life skills into a role that calls for it, the ice hockey choice was a bit random but it works here.
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kiara
April 28, 2021 at 9:11 PM
That's part of reason why he was cast in "Triple."
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Kurama
April 29, 2021 at 1:11 AM
It seems so far now.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 12:22 PM
to be fair, everything pre-virus seems like it was long ago....but 2008! That really was ages.
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Kurama
April 29, 2021 at 12:39 PM
Are you saying I'm old? 😶
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 1:21 PM
@Kurama - come join me in the olds club please xD
6 FormAnOrderlyQueue
April 28, 2021 at 5:06 AM
Each episode is getting more and more satisfying as the endgame approaches. How much do I love the tenants? The best Avengers team ever! The hair, the sunglasses, the suits, the fist bumps - every one of them is truly fully formed and acting in line with what we have learned about them. I love this attention to detail.
And Han Seo - oh, I want to wrap him up and take him home! (Seriously, great work KDY!) I think Mr Ahn has got some major competition in who can make the bigger heart eyes at Vincenzo. Loved the way he used Cha-young as a bluff to distract V to start the ice hockey; loved the way he whimsically skated whilst beaming to himself having got one step closer to being accepted by V. Yeah, no doubt for me: he's going to come good at the end.
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ar_arguably romantic
April 28, 2021 at 3:24 PM
I loved how he tricked Vincenzo with that bluff too. It suggests he knows about Vincenzo's feelings for Cha-young, and he's not completely devoid of street smarts!
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 9:08 PM
Han-seo is a dimwit when it comes to book knowledge or business plans (though under Vincenzo's tutelage, he's genuinely trying even if it's hard going), plus he's easily led, but he's not too bad at reading people once he puts his 'I'm richer than you' goggles aside. Comes from having that for a hyung, I suppose - survival instinct.
I actually cackled out loud@ him using Cha-young as a distraction, and the way it worked 😂 at the end of the episode I was alternating between cursing him and hoping it was really a ruse, cause I can't imagine him going along with yet another of lawyer Han's schemes when the first....two? Already failed so hard (1, shoot hyung. 2, use Vincenzo to oust hyung)
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 5, 2021 at 9:15 PM
Han-seo is the cutest little bonus bonbon of this drama, I love that he's got such a strong development arc and his puppylike desire to be given a head pat - oops I mean accepted - by Vincenzo is beyond adorable.
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7 Kafiyah Bello
April 28, 2021 at 7:31 AM
Him getting shot in the area doesn't make sense, he wouldn't bleed like that because the bullet would have had to go through hockey gear to hit him in the shoulder. It wouldn't have bled like that. I assume this is a fake me out. I rolled my eyes when I watched because I understood there was no way this was real even in a world where Vincenzo exists and pigeons attack to save you. lol
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Emperor Titus
April 28, 2021 at 11:10 AM
I can only say for the time being, it is, not as it seems.
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Kafiyah Bello
April 28, 2021 at 12:13 PM
I know, but I thought this while watching the episode.
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Emperor Titus
April 28, 2021 at 1:02 PM
Yeah, I guess the screenwriter has play the audience a little too much in his own pleasure, haha ...
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kiara
April 28, 2021 at 2:04 PM
PD Kim and writer Park are having too much fun with this show. They even make fun of themselves.
Ahn
"I will give you the Guillotine file soon."
Tae Jong-gu
"Ok"
Ahn
"Then use the file to beat directors Kim Hee-won and Park Jae-bum."😂
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 9:09 PM
@kiara - I caught only one of the names - the level of the details on this drama 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
saturtledaisy
April 29, 2021 at 12:34 AM
@kiara that was so funny! especially the shot where they just glare to the side
i love it when you can clearly see the entire production team is having fun
kiara
April 29, 2021 at 2:24 AM
@pogo1 and @saturtledaisy
It'd be cool if they cameo in their own show like director Peter Jackson and writer Fran Walsh in "The Lord of the Rings."
Since their names are on the Guillotine file. They should end up in jail at the end of the show lol.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 12:19 PM
@kiara - I'd love a surprise cameo, LOTR/Star Wars-style!
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 1:20 AM
I've never actually seen what ice hockey gear looks like under the jersey/how rigid it is, but going by the look of it, it's easily big enough to hide a bulletproof vest...
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8 Eazal
April 28, 2021 at 9:17 AM
It was so hard, waiting two whole weeks to watch this episode! Agony! it was agony!
Now, after the rant, I just want to list the moments I enjoyed:
- HanSeok shot on his cute Dumbo ear, because it's such an easy target (I love how director keeps joking with Taec's ears).
- HanSeo fangirling around Vincenzo. I totally get him!!!
- Chief Tae proving he was not corrupted. You will never stop fooling me, drama. And thanks so much for this one!
- Agent Ahn claiming to be Vincenzo's famiglia.
- Bomb actually exploding and kiling minion. I was shocked as always at how easy and cold blooded Vincenzo can be. I love how drama reminds us every time he is Mafia, not just the nice guy we love. The guy is a killer. As I said, I was shocked, but then I remembered he killed Hong Yu Chan and that he deserved it.
- HanSeok trying to fool HanSeo by asking him to be a good as Elizabeth Holmes (who's actually being prosecuted for fraud in the US). Baby HanSeo is not a fool anymore...
As for the final scene, I do think HanSeo is working with Vincenzo.
And yes, I'm not forgetting it... I love Taec!!!
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saturtledaisy
April 28, 2021 at 3:24 PM
i was going to write my own list of things i loved but you beat me to it! and the list is very similar!
i do like that, when vincenzo actually made the bomb explode, i went through the same emotional rollercoaster as chayoung did - at first i was slightly in shock that he did that so ruthlessly, but then as you said i remembered he's the one who killed chayoung's dad. he took vincenzo's (and chayoung's) person, so vincenzo took his revenge. the series has done this consistently. it then also made sense for me that chayoung accepted this - in this (obviously alternate) vincenzo universe where we watch the anti-hero kill those who killed his loved ones, this was deserved and made sense.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 9:33 PM
I had a real jolt when the bomb actually exploded and killed Crystal Ball 1, before I remembered just what he'd done and what Vincenzo had promised Cha-young for it. And wow, that particular bit of revenge was really best as a dish served icy cold. Plus a good reminder that fighting Babel isn't a total distraction from Cha-young's pain and anger over her father's death, especially not know they've both lost parents to Babel/Jang Han-seok. That was great acting too, the scene of them watching together.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 9:14 PM
I literally screeched out loud@ the Elizabeth Holmes part - the #1 thing she's known for is being a fraud who relied on image and gassing her scam "technology" up. That was a deliberate, and very well-chosen reference - kudos to this drama once again!
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Emperor Titus
April 29, 2021 at 7:27 PM
Yes, and in the next episode, it is being treated in a very proper way. Kudos!!!
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 5, 2021 at 9:07 PM
I saw that. Han-seo best boy :D
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 3:31 PM
Oh the Director Tae part - I'm so glad for Team Leader Ahn's sake! He's such a good egg, he doesn't deserve a corrupt boss (and haha they played us - again! - and I don't even mind it).
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9 Emperor Titus
April 28, 2021 at 10:25 AM
Let's just analyze what has happened so far.
At the end of Ep.16/beginning of Ep.17's incident, seems that Joon-woo is really scare, and letting his emotion taking over his sense. This is why partly in this (and next) episode Vincenzo is on the upper hand in terms of this chess match (I like Vincenzo's analogy in this showdown). I am sorry to use this parallel on Taecyeon's evil character (especially to you, @eazal): the later part of Adolf Hitler's campaign showing his troops losing is more because his emotion (or you can say, his drugs) was taking the lead, not his strategic mind, and when he did, it was Battle of the Bulge (December 1944). Therefore Joon-woo can win if he can control his emotion (which is somewhat impossible till now, because he is not good at this) and his fear (which is also quite impossible till now, because Vincenzo is quite a good psychologist in terms of putting fear to his enemies--as he says at one point, he is a cat with a full stomach). Joon-woo's anger is in fact an indicator of his fear, and without him controlling his emotion, he vision in this war will only be this wide, and even evil-genius Myung-hee can do so much for him.
It also shows Vincenzo is an all-round strategist, taking care of every aspect in this war, even some new fronts fall on him (as shown in next Episode), and he doesn't shy away from letting his enemies know he is the one revenging them (his phone call to Joon-woo before the auction is a sign of it). He is (or should be, I should say) a dark character (he is a mafioso, after all), but he likes to play it under the sun. Only this has put him the better among the two leads.
Just a fun reminder (which I think many of you who read this post doesn't need this, but I say it anyway): before being an actor, Song Joong-ki was an established speed skater, who's been competed in national game (his ex-wife, Song Hye-kyo used to be figure skater, in case you want to know). I am glad he's now being an actor (although because of an unfortunate injury), I should say.
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Emperor Titus
April 28, 2021 at 10:30 AM
By the way, what I have said should exclude what is happening at the end of this Episode, because if anyone of us watched the next episode, we know it is not what it seems ...
(And also, I am writing this when also listening to the soundtrack of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2, that was another great strategic war as well)
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 8:32 AM
Speaking of Harry Potter - talk about playing the long game! Vincenzo would totally be a Slytherin as the obvious choice, but I can see him fitting well into the other houses too.
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Emperor Titus
April 29, 2021 at 5:22 PM
Agree.
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Emperor Titus
April 28, 2021 at 11:27 AM
One more thing (I know I think a lot ...)
Although love-line is not on the front seat of this drama, but by giving that letter to Cha-young, Kyung-ja is in fact giving more than a scarf to Vincenzo. Calling him Joo-hyung, she gave Vincenzo his true self (think about at the beginning of this drama, Vincenzo even don't want to stay in this country, but I think he is seriously considering this after this event), and by asking Cha-young to take care of him, she is giving him his next woman in life, who will be more than an companion or lover. I am looking forward to both of them getting together.
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OLakes
April 29, 2021 at 2:18 AM
I also really like how they aren't pushing the love line in our face constantly, and that the drama is honest about how that is still complicated for them both. Also, it's demonstrating that there is a lot more than mutual attraction between them. It's a more realistic portrayal of an interpersonal relationship, and one that is very dynamic even without love and romance.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 4:05 PM
I like that it's understated, honestly if we can't have the full-blown ship we want, I would even settle for them finally using each other's names and ceasing to call each other 'lawyer-nim' in their off hours 😂
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OLakes
April 30, 2021 at 12:46 AM
Yes, but in a way it adds deliciously to the tension, right? I mean...imagine what happens when that impeccable self-control snaps and we get a full-blown Chacenzo rocket blast off. 😁
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 5, 2021 at 9:03 PM
@carlybisek that damn self-control *shakes fist*
But seriously, I do appreciate it. It's probably my first time ever, in all my years of kdrama-watching
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 5, 2021 at 9:05 PM
(sorry, incomplete comment - contd -) ...that I've seen two people in a drama kiss and then friendzone each other and not be awkward about it. Makes you appreciate having 30something leads!
OLakes
May 6, 2021 at 12:29 AM
@pogo1 OMG, yes! As a 30-something who has lived similar awkwardness, I appreciate the nod to the realities of real-life relationship complications - and how they are often built on more than one thing, like theirs.
empressgirl
August 7, 2021 at 2:43 AM
Yes thanks for reminding me.
That is such an understated yet loaded request. "Please take care of him."
and I love the mirroring in how both parents (single dad and single mum) use Vincenzo and Cha Young respectively as the proxy mouthpiece to pass on the most important heartfelt message they themselves could not say to their own kids.
The lawyer dad told Vincenzo that he wish he could tell his daughter what a fearless lawyer she would be to take on the big bad guns and bring them down, and should he not be able to tell her, to please help him do so.
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10 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
April 28, 2021 at 2:05 PM
This is iffy with a revolver because anyone you point it at can see the bullets in the chambers.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 5, 2021 at 9:00 PM
I did not know this o_O but then I would hope most people do not have the chance to find it out firsthand either!
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11 jerrykuvira
April 28, 2021 at 2:30 PM
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12 jerrykuvira
April 28, 2021 at 2:34 PM
Beyond the darkness and hijinks of this episode, a primetime for me was the showcase of cohorts in black. What more than the sassy dignity with which they rocked Black😇😇
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 12:10 PM
Same, I wasn't yet done being touched by them banding together for Vincenzo and then they hit us with the entire squad in perfectly tailored, beautifully accessorised black! (the chains!) Well, minus the monks (who have their robes).
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Emperor Titus
April 29, 2021 at 7:29 PM
He sends them black robes, then?
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jerrykuvira
May 2, 2021 at 2:34 AM
Oh yeah , he sure does.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 5, 2021 at 9:17 PM
I would argue the grey coordinates nicely ;)
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13 ar_arguably romantic
April 28, 2021 at 3:36 PM
Vincenzo came back to Korea all alone and was even robbed. His mother was also quite alone too except for Lawyer Yoo-chan. His mother's murder was terrible. I'm glad by the time it happened, he had already amassed himself a new family - a korean mafia family. I loved how they all came together for the funeral. And then closing up shop to help him mourn by aiding in his revenge.
Those black suits - kudos to the costume folks and whoever approved the budget to make sure these characters get to be dressed up to the nines.
And holy moly - i can't believe Vincenzo actually killed that minion who killed Cha-young's dad. I was waiting for some more pig's blood or even just a fire to happen at the end of the countdown - did not expect the bomb to actually go off. Like Cha-young, I was shocked and ambivalent. But the flashback to dead Yoo-chan also hardened me and was like "he had it coming. Yoo-chan wasn't his first and only victim. "
It was gross how these leaders in society were bidding on a penthouse in Babel Tower by signing contracts to basically abuse their power. So happy when Vincenzo forced them to literally eat their own contracts
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 8:29 AM
I have to say - coming from a country where the rich and powerful routinely exploit their workers, risk employee lives for profit/ego, treat the 'little people' like dirt, and act like they're running feudal kingdoms with serfs instead of employees......it's just a nice and mildly cathartic feel-good to watch some fictional ones from another country be literally forced to eat it.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 12:15 PM
On Crystal Ball 1 actually getting blown up - I wasn't expecting that either! They lulled us into a false sense of security about having the 'enemy's hunting dogs' working for them, as much as they did to those two themselves. And Vincenzo is ruthless about it.
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Possum
May 2, 2021 at 6:31 PM
It was shocking partly because it felt unexpected. With the two guys working with Vincenzo and the storyline so busy it was easy to forget about Vincenzo’s promise.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 5, 2021 at 8:58 PM
I must say, I appreciate the consistency and the reminder that Vincenzo is actually still v. capable of being a cold-blooded killer (and that Cha-young, while shaken, is no pure angel with perfect morals either).
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empressgirl
August 7, 2021 at 2:38 AM
True. yet I love that consistency. You have no ambiguity about his worldview and core beliefs because he was upfront about it from the get-go.
1) No women, no children, no innocents. "We keep to ourselves and do business with one another. We do not touch the civilians."
2) You take care of your sworn allies
3) You always repay back the Mafia
4) You always keep your promises in your deals (this being one of them. He told Cha Young he doesn't like to make promises except for business ones but if he does, he keeps it).
14 saturtledaisy
April 28, 2021 at 3:41 PM
waiting two weeks was torture!!!
this episode had more plot and less silly than i had hoped for, but as the show now needs to set up for its finale, i guess i have to be a big girl and accept it. i guess.
things i loved in no particular order because my memory is trash:
- the way mr nam checks if team leader ahn is ok after director tae grabs team leader ahn's face.
- the way team leader ahn has his armlinked with mr nam they're both such soft and cheerful characters i love them so much
- when vincenzo shoots taecs EAR as a preview of all places to shoot
- the geumga plaza tenants getting new outfits and looking badass
- the little fistbump between mr tak (drycleaner) and mr park (bye bye balloon) (im terrible with names theyre all mr to me)
- the little vincenzo smile after talking to the monks
- vincenzo on skates
- han seo on skates
- vincenzo catching han seo as he falls on ice
- han seo tricking vincenzo by pointing at a non existent chayoung
- han seo skating cutely by himself like a teenage boy in love
- chayoung taking me on an emotional rollercoaster as vincenzo kills her father's killer. we went through feelings of shock, disbelief, fear, flashback, acceptance, and determination together. i love chayoung so much i hope she gets the revenge that she seeks against dumb babel and dumb wusang
- chayoung reminding vincenzo of how much joy him returning brought his mother and comforting him as he cries next to her
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egads aka Dame Maggie
April 28, 2021 at 7:06 PM
-the way Vincenzo took care to shoot taec's ear lobe so that someone, anyone, can still grab hold of his ears and wiggle his head back and forth while saying, "Who's being an evil little man? Who's being an evil little man?"
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kiara
April 28, 2021 at 9:03 PM
- I burst out laughing when Attorney Han offered himself to be Candidate Park's Unbreakable shield.
Woo Do-hwan's character in "The King: Eternal Monarch" was King Lee Gon's (Lee Min-ho) Unbreakable Sword ❤️.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 9:35 PM
Being introduced to Candidate Park (the Elder) took me straight into Secret Forest lol. Different crime drama, same feel in both!
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
April 28, 2021 at 10:07 PM
I was laughing with you, then missing half of my Stabby OTP.
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kiara
April 29, 2021 at 2:05 AM
Exactly! I laughed at Attorney Han but I really miss Unbreakable Sword. He is awesome in dark roles too.
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Emperor Titus
April 29, 2021 at 7:34 PM
An unbreakable sword hitting an unbreakable shield, which will break?
Not very long, @kiara, it only take 2 years for Woo Do-hwan to finish his military service.
kiara
April 29, 2021 at 9:28 PM
@imperialtitus
Attorney Han 😆.
Just 1 more year left 😊.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 9:50 PM
I don't think I've ever experienced a drama pulling us through this level of rollercoaster turns and feelings. These two weeks were torture!
Seriously it kills me how good the cast is, Jeon Yeo-bin really took us through it when that bomb actually exploded. I wasn't expecting it to! But then, that's what makes Vincenzo, Vincenzo (both man and drama). (And I realllly want all the Geumga Avengers to get enough gold to live happily and without worries, they're good eggs and really do care for each other and Vincenzo)
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Eazal
April 28, 2021 at 11:39 PM
All of these, Daisy 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
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15 finalparadox
April 28, 2021 at 4:09 PM
This show is really gunning for Taec's ears
haha, I'll see myself out
But in all honesty, I'm actually enjoying watching him in this villainous role.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 28, 2021 at 9:42 PM
I still can't take him seriously lol, he can't pull off any kind of intense emotion (the attempted look of...seething? right before Vincenzo shot off a bit of his ear? That was hilarious). But his more neutral line deliveries and scenes with Kwak Dong-yeon come out ok, as does the cartoon villain shouting and flipping tables, cause Han-seok is really a cartoon villain much in the vein of Mojo Jojo (Powerpuff Girls). Like, from a character point of view, are we expected to believe this guy is any competition for Vincenzo? 😂
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finalparadox
April 29, 2021 at 8:29 AM
Oh, he's no competition at all for Vincenzo. He basically relies on his money and connections to get things done and has convinced himself that he's a god. But he doesn't really have the wits to keep up if both are gone.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 8:39 AM
The only time he ever had an edge was when he was still Babo (😂 @ Cha-young literally codenaming him 'idiot' - it was more accurate than she knew!) because he had the element of mystery on his side. With that gone and Vincenzo/Cha-young & Co. knowing who he is, it's just a murdery man-baby who has the money and a minion with brains (Myung-hee) who makes things happen. Now she makes a scary villain but even she's outclassed in a big way.
Han-seo could make a more interesting and complex villain if he wasn't so dopey. But he is and I love that about him.
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finalparadox
April 29, 2021 at 12:56 PM
Exactly! You can even argue that despite the "head empty, no thoughts" energy of Han-seo, he is smarter than his brother because he's more adaptable and occasionally capable of seeing the big picture.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 1:29 PM
@fpdxx - yeah, he's definitely low on book smarts but he's at least not cool with murder, not hopeless at reading people and can at least duck when things are thrown at him. That was a start....
16 Jingbee
April 29, 2021 at 12:10 AM
I now see why some beanies said KDY does "evil" roles well. For a moment there, when he was comparing pictures of Junwoo and Vincenzo, as well, as when he was about to pull the gun, while saying he hated making a choice, I paused, thinking he might have gone rouge again.. then I told myself over and over agaib, Nah!!! , not HanSeo..
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
April 29, 2021 at 8:25 AM
I'll say this much about Kwak Dong-yeon - if Han-seo had been written a little differently (ie not an actual duffer with the scheming skills of a moose) or if he'd been a better shot in episode 12, we might have had a very interesting and actually layered villain for Vincenzo to face off against. I've come to tolerate/enjoy the cartoon, but that's more for the kerb stomping Vincenzo inevitably dishes out, which is great to watch whenever it happens.
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17 Miky
May 5, 2021 at 12:13 PM
So funny that little scene with Team Leader Ahn and Director Tae in his office wanting to win over his two rivals in the company Kim Hui-won and Park Jae-beom aka the PD and writer jajja
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 5, 2021 at 8:52 PM
The level of the in-jokes and Easter eggs on this drama is something else 😂
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