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Hyena: Episodes 9-10 Open Thread

If I ran SBS, both Kim Hye-soo and Joo Ji-hoon would already be buried in trophies for their acting in this drama. It’s hard to find a single performance — never mind two — that is so consistently strong, interesting, and nuanced. Both actors are fantastic at not only telling this story, but bringing it to life with these great little moments, be it a naughty crinkle of the nose, or a question given loads of dimension just through a changing facial expression. My hat is off to these two.

 
EPISODES 9-10 WEECAP

This week, our sparring pair of attorneys get a new task from the newly arrived (and suspicious) Attorney Kim. The firm AP EON wants Song & Kim to handle an M&A deal — specifically, they want to acquire a company known as Gnosis. But Gnosis doesn’t want to be acquired. So, who better for this task than our awesome duo?

After the success with D&T, Hee-jae, Geum-ja, and their respective team members, have become something of a team. Their briefings and meetings are pretty great, with Hee-jae and Geum-ja continually trying to out-do or boss the other around… but when it comes down to it, the whole team knows what to do, and boy do they do it.

This week Geum-ja was busy “getting to know” AP EON head Kevin Jung. As a top Wall Street broker new to South Korea, he needs an escort, and Geum-ja is it. This would be amusing in its own right, because Geum-ja is just that entertaining sashaying around like a bazillionaire with Kevin’s son holding her hand and trailing behind her — but it gets even better because it’s driving Hee-jae mad with jealousy.

As I expected, we’re not really given much to go on with what happened between our pair after the end of last week’s episodes. Well, unless you count Geum-ja’s trying to explain it away, and Hee-jae’s hilarious brushing it off. But it’s pretty obvious that if he wasn’t head over heels before, he is a total goner now. He revisits their office kiss in his head more than a few times during this week’s episodes. It’s also fun how his genuine care and love for her comes out in such petty ways. Like steamrolling her octopus date with Kevin, and snarling at the mere mention of the man’s name.

Geum-ja is way more wily than Hee-jae, and he still hasn’t learned. After he ruins her “meeting” with Kevin, the two head to Namsan for a cable car ride — especially at night, a very romantic thing to do indeed. Geum-ja says she’s cold, and Hee-jae takes off his [gorgeous, mahogany-colored] coat to cover her. She pays him a compliment, says he’s easy to use, touches his chest… and you can see his brain totally stop working, poor man. Then she ditches him and tells him to cool off, leaving herself Hee-jae free for a good rest of the night.

There’s a wonderful theme developing this week too, around the metaphor of being “like a little kid.” First, Geum-ja says it to Hee-jae when she tells him he’s easy to use (or is that abuse lol). Then, Attorney Song says the same thing about Hee-jae’s father, explaining it to mean that he’s “pure at heart.” So much to dig into here!

Not only do I love this similarity between father and son (and we saw it at their luncheon a few episodes back), but putting a phrase like “pure at heart” to match Hee-jae’s guileless, heart-on-his-sleeve nature is exactly how I feel about his character — so touché there. Finally, I love how quickly Hee-jae stitches together “like a kid” and “easy to use” and then replaces Geum-ja with Attorney Song… and uh oh. We’re already getting major hints that things are up with Song’s business dealings (not to mention his wife’s condition), so we’ll see how this develops.

I usually wind up focusing on our main storyline in these weecaps, but Hyena is great because it’s got several plot arcs going at a time, and each of them interesting — and quickly developing. There’s the start of some division in the ranks at Song & Kim, now that both representative lawyers are secretly at each other’s throats. There’s been some turf picking and shoulder tapping already, and I think that’s only going to continue.

There’s also some development with Geum-ja’s backstory. Her creepy adoptive father actually knows all about her cop accomplice PARK JOO-HO (who I mistakenly thought was her little brother), and surely the incident that had her father imprisoned is going to circle back before we reach the end of our tale. We also get a proper intro between Hee-jae and Joo-ho this week (after twice brushing shoulders). And now that Hee-jae is brought into their tragic childhood history, it’s gonna get real! In short, there’s no shortage of good story here, and each week the episodes go by too fast.

For my closing thoughts this week: how cute is Ji-eun as the “GPS” who keeps telling Hee-jae of Geum-ja’s whereabouts? And her defense? “I’m overwhelmed by how passionately he looks at you!” I’m also getting a kick out of Yu-mi and Attorney Ga’s lovey dovey dating. A little annoyed by not one but two creepy “religious” people in this week’s episodes — would it kill dramaland to show people of faith that are not nutjobs? And finally, who would actually take a drug named Octoperson?!

 
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There are so many things that I love about this drama, I watched the new episodes as soon as it became available (refreshing Netflix every 5 minutes!). I don’t think I was ever impatient with new episodes like this before.
I do believe that Detective Park is indeed her little brother although they have different family name. There was that flashback of him being taken by a family from an orphanage (and hence the new family name) and then there’s also that flashback from the abusive dad.
I love love love Hee Jae and Geum Ja. I love how Geum Ja can easily manoeuvre Hee Jae yet she doesn’t have any bad intentions while doing that, like the intentional fingers on his chest in the cable car, long enough to make him lose his mind and did not notice her absence.

Ji Eun is such a sweet character. I love her deer caught in the headlights expression everytime Geum Ja and Hee Jae cornered her. Poor girl😂

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In my region, netflix released the show 30 minutes after it ended in SK. Specifically, 1030 pm (gmt+8). Tried and tested for both episodes this week.

The waiting for recent episodes just killed me thus, no more adherence to netflix's announcement that the show would be released 1 hour after airing🤣

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Kudos to the super fast Netflix subbers. Omg I loved this drama so much and I am basically counting hours until the next Friday. Come faster, please!

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I gave in and watched these two episodes, despite telling myself to stay away till its done. This drama's like a drug. I have a very complicated relationship with it, kinda like Heejae and Geumja's lol. I started this show for the strong, morally grey FL it promised, but I've ended up caring more for the ML, to my surprise.
JGJ checks Almost all of my boxes for the type of anti-heroish female character I wanted to see going into this drama....... but we're ten episodes in and I'm still ambivalent about her. I Want to be head over heels for her, but I just can't, only cuz of the shit she pulled with Heejae at the start.
I find myself partially rooting for the main couple (like Jieun) due to their sizzling chemistry whenever they're in each other's vicinity on screen, and partially wanting Heejae to listen to what Geumja tells him, and stop following her like a lovesick pup with his heart on his sleeve and move on. The dynamic would have been everything I love in a ship were it not for the way it began. Had Geumja used Literally Any method other than that dub con deceptive way she seduced him to best him in their first case, I would have been 100% on board and cheering her on rn. But whenever they interact I can't fully immerse myself in the moment, a part of me keeps going back to the icky pseudo relationship they had at the start and I'm pretty sad about it.
I agree that both actors are excellent, and I'm particularly impressed by KHS in this. I haven't been her biggest fan in the past, bcs of one terrible movie I saw which coloured my impression of her acting, but she's managed to completely blow me away with how she plays JGJ.
And the side couple is freaking hilarious.
Will probably try (and fail) to hold out on watching next weeks eps too. Glad that Heejae finally knows Geumja's full tragic backstory, and I have a bad feeling about his involvement in Attorney Song's new case.

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Yea, actually... I got lucky and only started watching from episode 3 so I never got to see the fake relationship before I got hooked onto the series. (I went back to watch the 1st two episodes only after... ep 8? By then... bait, hook, sinker...)

And I was actually initially very puzzled - because it portrayed 2 very different relationships.
The pseudo relationship: A manufactured female persona that was all about pretending to be the guy's mysterious and intuitive other half - liking the same music, tastes in food etc, almost like she was some kind of hologram.
Guys I've seen like that in real life, tend to almost prefer the girl to have no real opinion or tastes apart from their own.

The latter relationship : Combative with 2 equals who are equally opinionated and like sparring, both verbally and intellectually.
So I find it surprisingly that a Hee-Jae who liked this sort of woman would fall for someone who is opinionated, loud, and kinda... crass (though I really really love all these things about her).
Also, he finally understood he didn't really know her. Maybe it's just me, but I do feel that men who don't understand emotional intimacy (as in knowing a person in depth emotionally and their personality) don't "get it" just like that. They have a reason why they never really paid attention to their other half (maybe they just *don't want to* ) and usually it's some form of personality perversion in the guy, more so of upbringing or twisted beliefs about women/the world, more so than the woman not being "worthy" enough; and it normally takes a reaaaalllyyy long (and normally traumatic) period for the guy to develop this arena of learning to be intimate emotionally and want another's emotional intimacy.

It was really jarring to watch that I tried to wiped the 2 episodes out of my mind - except when Hee-Jae bring stuff up related to the above - like when he said stuff like "Oh, you've always thought about pleasing me, that's why I know so later about you.". Yea, duh, it took you so long to figure this out that she was lying to you? So how much did you ever really love her when you know so little about her??

And then the last - I'm assuming they slept together in the pseudo-relationship and *that night*? So how come he didn't know about the wig and... you know erm...other physical situations that would have prompted questions..?

OH Man, the more I talked about it, the more pissed off I get. So I just try to pretend that that bad pseudo relationship version didn't happen. I like to think that there was some kind of combative chemistry there too in the beginning. And that they weren't *as close* somehow.

This way I can keep enjoying Guem-Ja's badassery and the romantic chemistry (am in denial, if you can tell).

To be honest, at the point when Guem Ja was having dinner with her cop accomplice and they revealed what they did, I wondered if I was watching Hee Jae be a Second Lead and the person I...

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.. I should root for is the cop accomplice. Because whereas Hee-Jae can't even give up his reputation to confess he likes Guem-Ja infront of other, cop hyung has had paid the cost *multiple times* to protect Guem-Ja.
From GJ's perspective, Hae Jae really can't compare to cop hyung, who not only understands what it means to get down and dirty, but also for someone you love!

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Hyena continues to be such a delightful show and my favorite at the moment among the ones airing!!! Jung Geum-ja & Yoo Hee Jae together are such a blast and fun to watch!Like Geum-ja said Hee Jae indeed has that innocence and is like a kid mostly with her but that makes him all the more endering and entertaining in my eyes having that contrast to her that lost her innocence a long time ago...Curious indeed if she will side with Lawyer Kim in this battle or stay out or in her style outsmart both of them not playing their games as without any doubts both just see her as a disposable tool and she clarly knows it...Glad that Hee Jae starts to open his eyes and take another look at CEO Song and stops worshiping him...Geum Ja's relationship with Detective Park still keeps being a complex one...Her father is such a worthless human,even after all this time he doesn't truly repent for his sins nor realizes what he did cosplaying as a victim,so pathetic and disgusting...Ji Eun is such a sweet one,i like her sooo much...Now,can we give props for the chemistry between our leads,it's fire!!!How Geum ja can everytime play Hee Jae,like she did it per ex. with the ride on ep 10, it's such a delight to see and how he let's her play him with or without him wanting it even more when she never truly does him harm...U can see the passion from Hee Jae so clearly everytime he is by her side and when he looks at her,he practically has the headlights on that he is smitten by her while hilariously still denying it...I could really watch daily cases just to see them work on them and have their interactions,that good it is!!! Still curious what is the meaning of the building Geum ja wants to have so badly...Kudos to Kim Hye Soo & Jung Ji Hoon for their amazing teamwork!They truly elevated this drama!

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Yeah,shame on me for misspelling Ju Ji Hoon pretty name!Sad we don't have a edit button,it would do wonders!

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I adore this drama. With all of the fears and deaths around the virus, it's lovely to have a fast paced drama that is funny, sexy, and thought provocating: accident with wife, family business, suitable candidates for marriage, wife and child abuse. I am also enjoying how the team is coming together like a team - Jung Geum-j has gained their respect and she is part of their family. Kevin is one hot male and his smile..hmmm.
Boo Hyeon-A realise that the ship has sailed... calling out Jung Geum-j's music selection was on point - she can tell that it is a mutual attraction for the two of them. I'm wondering if Lee Ji-Eun and Na Yi-Joon might hook-up? Lee Ji-Eun is sooo funny with her interactions to Yoon Hee-Jae.
I love also the fact that both man are handsome and sexy. I am enjoying that Jung Geum-Ja is setting the pace and determining what relationships she wants. I did think it was mean to ask Kevin if he wanted to have sex with her in front of Yoon Hee-Jae. Yoon Hee-Jae is playing this role - his eyes are full of love, tenderness, jealousy, anger, fear, and passion. He told us from the start that he's upset with his own behavior because if she's not around he misses her and he's upset that he seeks her out...he has a bad case of I-can't-help-myself...but, isn't that love? Love is not always rational. Love operates outside of boundaries regardless of age, education, wealth, class...but the good news is that when she paused thinking I should have went with him up in that lift...and...when she was listening to his favorite artist in her car and she became so hot and bothered she had to roll down her car window...he's not on the Love Island alone...she is right there with him.

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When you lose the comment, you've been writing for 20 minutes *cries*

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Oh no. That’s why I usually copy if I make a long comment before sending it

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Inhale,exhale....

But please,please let us know your amazing thoughts and comments for this show. Unpopular but constructive opinions are also welcomed. Sending positive vibes here!

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Oh no Ayaan!!! Noooo.
Every beanie’s nightmare.

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Been there too! Fighting!

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@ayaan Ayan,
I compose my treatises in LibreOffice (so I can keep tabs on the 3,000-character limit as well as back it up). Hit upon that strategy after one too many losses such as you describe. Hwaiting! ;-)

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Thanks guys! I've started to write in the notes app on my phone. I think I'm going to need to write notes whilst watching because there is so much to mention

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I'm beginning to think it's better to write the comment elsewhere so you can check it for typos, etc., and then copy and paste it to DB.

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On hindsight, this show preaches about feminism without being preachy or ott. In a way that kdrama enthusiasts could relate with its cinderella trope (but without spunky,naive and sickeningly sweet canday character) who rises from deep pits like glorious phoenix. And this cinderella brings with her dark past and issues making her who she is now vs tsundere ML in other dramas.Isn't a refreshing take?

Talking about typical drama trope, another one is the double or mistaken identity plots offered by hyena did not drag long to the extent it tested the viewers' patience, and intelligence as much as it entertained and pulled the viewers' in with angst and antics ensue. Having stated this, am praying hard here we could get more HeeSun moments with HeeJae. Or the crosspoint where HeeSunxGeumJa fell for HeeJae...🧐

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Ooh yes, I would love to see moments that Geum ja is starting to fall for Hee-Jae as Hee Sun.
Yes I don't think Geum-ja will ever overcome the trauma in her past, it has shaped her and her resilience is amazing. I don't want her to be "fixed", it's enough that she has someone who understands and accepts her as she is.

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I can’t stop praising the acting! Both of them are SO GOOD! Nothing beats the last scene from ep8 but jealous Hee-jae is a cutie! Boy is still in denial though his actions says otherwise.

It was interesting to see Lawyer Boo with Geum-ja. And the kid lawyer with Hee-jae. Mentor-mentee, I like these kind of relationship.

The moment Hee-Jae will realize that Geum-ja intends to save the daughter not for money but because she cares and for justice. He’ll fall deeper than he already is.

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The teacher that got fired looked so familiar that I had to rack my brain to figure out who she is. And boom! She was the lady that serve Yoon Eun-hye in Princess Hours!

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Wow! You did recall that! As much as I'd love to fangirl JJH for 24 more hours, I haven't watch Princess Hours yet. Did watch the clips on youtube but not in the mood for such show yet (or anymore).

We'll see how deep my love for him goes that started since Kingdom.

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Princess Hours was one of my early dramas so I've fond memories and JJH wasn't so bad there considering it was his first drama.

As much as I'd love to watch another drama of him, Kingdom isn't for me.

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Same. I find zombies really scary so I can't watch Kingdom

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If zombies are too scary, then consider giving MAWANG / THE LUCIFER a shot. JJH plays a lawyer in that show, too. Interestingly, Hee-jae's hyung is also in that drama, along with a passel of actors you'll recognize, including a young Shin Min-ah. It's not your average revenge drama. Far from it. It's loaded with symbolism, and has a gorgeous OST.

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@neener,
I discussed HYENA and MAWANG in last week's What We're Watching. I posted the links in the Hyena ep. 7-8 open thread comments.

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@pakalanapikake I have a weird relationship with old dramas >.<

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@neener,
If a drama is good, I don't care how old it is. Maybe that's because I grew up watching old Hollywood movies in black and white on TV when I was a kid. Seeing antique handphones, passe hairstyles, and unfashionably old clothing doesn't bother me it a drama is well-written, tautly directed, and brought to life by a competent cast.

Some of the old tropes can be hard to take, but MAWANG is refreshingly free of many of them. (Yes, there are nasty rich people in it.) It keeps you guessing.

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I loved the mentor- mentee dynamic too. I loved Lawyer Boo bluffing and then exhaling from the stress. It was a really nice touch

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Yes, I'm excited how the mentor-mentee will go.

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I love those two working together... At first thought Lawyer Boo would be typical second FL pinning hopelessly for Heejae, but she's actually pretty cool. So many interesting female characters, this episode felt empowering!

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Glad she didn't turn in a typical second FL. That would be disappointing.

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I thought she may be the typical saviour of the poor kind of lawyer but the girl is definitely smart

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You know, I have a million things I want to talk about as I watch the episodes, but then I am speechless when I come here!!

I am falling hard for Jo Ji-Hoon as an actor. With Kingdom and Hyena he has shown how versatile he is as an actor.

I am so glad Detective Park decided to counsel with Hee Jae. And am also glad he reveals to her that he knows her identity. I hope there is no noble idiocy or anything between these two. I want these two smart cookies in a single team head butting and shoulder butting and puRRing.

That ‘kid’ and ‘pure heart’ touched a chord. I worry for him. but he will come out of this stronger. I love how Song and Kim are picking their team members on the sly. Song is no saint. In fact, no one is.

Ok. Will say it again. I LOVE ❤️ this show!!

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I don't think there will be any noble idiocy. Both are the " I'll get what I want" type

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Beanies I'm kinda sad that this show isn't getting more love. This week's episodes were fantastic. Although the pacing was a little slower than usual, I highly enjoyed the episodes. I kinda love how Hee Jae pretends that nothing happened, but he's more in love with her than before now. I loved that the show decided to expand on Her Jae as a character. He may work for the richest people, but he still like a the concept of justice. The way he played the recording of the big abusing his driver was proof. And I also love the fact that he wears his heart on his sleeve. Lawyer Boo telling GJ that she and Hee Jae aren't the only ones to listen to Ko I Man was so sweet. That scene also shows that Guem Ja has feelings for Hee Jae because she still hasn't gotten rid of that music. That scene with Ha Chan Ho in the promo scared me a bit. I'm praying that nothing bad happens to SEO Jung Hwa

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@manichan,
I was very disturbed when Geum-ja sent Seo Jung-hwa back to the whacked-out Ha Chan-ho to slowly extricate herself from him and his brother. Just because Geum-ja has the mental and intestinal fortitude to do something like that doesn't mean that a mere mortal does. Perhaps she was satisfied that Ms. Seo could handle it, but I was appalled. Ha is mentally unstable and self-medicates with illicit drugs and booze. No one should have to subject themselves to his unpredictable and often violent behavior.

I really appreciated how Hee-jae had attempted to get Ms. Seo out of that abusive situation while watching out for the client corporation ISSUME's bigger issues re: succession and management. Given the volatility of the situation, things have been very quiet. Like you, the preview makes me wonder if Geum-ja misjudged one or more of the parties. It wouldn't surprise me if the younger brother blew his stack -- but we won't know until next week. Money may have (temporarily) won out, but I hope that Hee-jae is vindicated in the long run.

I also appreciated how Hee-jae approached the violinist's situation, and immediately realized that he could not withstand the rigors of a lengthy trial or being unable to perform. Hee-jae pursued a strategy that honored his need to have a private social life as well. He displayed great sensitivity in that story arc, and met the client in his own comfort zone instead of trying to make him conform to his own idea of what was right. He went out of his way to give the violinist what he needed and wanted.

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I wholeheartedly agree with you. Although I loved that Guem Ja was able to outsmart Hee Jae in the Issume case, I was actually appalled by how she did it. And I agree with you, Guem Ja may get results but when it comes to dealing with people, Hee Jae is way better. Hee Jae wins whenever there are people involved. I hope that whatever happens makes Guem Ja realise that being sensitive doesn't really make you weak.

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I second the motion. Give Kim Hye-soo and Joo Ji-hoon all the awards, because they are bringing it. The looks! The fashion! The simmering resolved-yet-unresolved sexual-and-romantic tension!

I'm digging how the show is unraveling Geum-ja's past, and how information is being relayed to relevant parties. Any show that has characters communicate (and provides meta commentary on inappropriate misunderstandings in dramas) is a show worth anticipating and rewatching and squirming over.

Also: Geum-ja's red and violet suiting shouldn't work, but by God, I WANT IT.

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Thanks @missvictrix for the lightning speed weecap! These two are definitely in the running for the best pairing of the year award, or its equivalents.

Two things stayed in my head: one was the "happy families" image when Geum-ja, Kevin and the kid walk away from Hee-jae, totally rankling him.

The second was how ep 10 especially put women front-and-centre throughout. The smart hoobae. The bad-ass bosswoman. The victim. The abuser. The fumbling assistant (she owns her scenes!). And of course our heroine Geum-ja.

I also especially like that they've made the FL much smarter and sharper than the ML, especially when they are in direct confrontation with each other. This is so rare and refreshing, it undoes all the pain of seeing so many candies in dramaland.

These past 4 episodes have definitely slowed things down. I was wondering how the show would succeed in keeping up the frenetic energy of the first few eps., and it hasn't managed. But it doesn't take away from what a riot it all is still. I find none of the characters to be "nice" people - everyone has an unpleasant, morally questionable history, and certainly our leads have (and continue to do so). But thank goodness for that - it's the moral grayness of it that makes this show more attractive.

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I fully agree with you that episode 10 put women front and centre. From the abuser to the victim, it was perhaps the most female representation dramaland could fit in a single episode. I agree with you on the "happy family" image. It must be hard for Hee Jae because she told him to marry someone else and start a family and now he sees her with a potential family of her own.

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Yes exactly! It was gutting to see Hee-Jae's reaction to the happy family. Especially since he knows that his past relationship with Hye -soo was fake and filled with lies. He knows he has fallen for Geum- ja, to see her in the arms of another must be making him crazy!

I think the women led episode was perhaps a nod to International Women's day, and it just shows how easy it is to create interesting, layered female characters. We need this in every single drama. What I love most, is that in the workplace there is no reference to dating, marriage, age,children. Very refreshing

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I totally agree with you. Hyena feels very empowering without even trying to. It's just that we'll written

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I'm enjoying this drama very much. The leads are top-notch!

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Just wanted to declare my love for this drama though I have no idea what to write in comments.

I just love every single actor and character.

I love the corruption of female lead and I love the purity of the male lead. I want them to both stay that way and then at some point, declare passionate love and make even more passionate love.

Argh. I love this drama so much.

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Thank you for your wee-cap, @missvictrix. The theme of child-like purity of heart is an interesting one, especially when we see this week what actual children have done to each other out of spite, and in self-defense in abusive situations. Geum-ja’s assessment that being child-like is tantamount to being easily manipulated is one of her trademark shoot-from-the-hip pronouncements. She may be correct, but her cynicism is blinding her to other, positive aspects of that quality. Or is she very much aware of them – and slamming her eyes shut?

Boss Song has come right out and assigned the drafting of the amendment to the Inheritance Tax Law to Hee-jae. This goes a long way to explaining why hyung Hyuk-jae was bent out of shape at Dad’s backyard birthday barbecue when Uncle started talking shop. It makes me wonder what went down when the law was amended the previous year. Did someone get his wrist slapped? The more I think about it, the more it seems that Song may have diverted Hee-jae from the bench to use him in lieu of future Supreme Court Justice Dad. Hee-jae’s dual pedigree as a graduate of the Judicial Training Institute and a member of the Yoon family of judges would be an enticing selling point for potential Song & Kim clients. I’m not sure whether Song has political aspirations of his own, or whether he’s gunning to become some kind of sub-rosa kingmaker.

Lawyer Kim Min-joo’s return roils the waters at Song & Kim, making the chain of command a bit murky. I like how Hee-jae is up-front with her about who’s issuing the orders. And I love how he and Lawyer Na’s handling of the school bullying incident totally blows the machinations of jealous colleagues Ma and Choo out of the water. Better yet, Hee-jae not only wins back a Song & Kim client, but is able to curb the chaebol princeling’s horridly entitled behavior under the rubric of risk management on behalf of his father’s business interests. Dang, that is smooth. And ultimately it is for the obnoxious lad’s own good to break him of habits that would only lead to a crummy life like that of Ha Chan-ho and countless other wastrel chaebol heirs.

The suspicious circumstances in which Kim Min-joo’s beloved unni lost consciousness while at home with husband Song Pil-joong really got my attention. We don’t know very much about what she’s been up to while she’s been away from Korea, aside from the usual lawyering. I suspect that she has been researching treatment for her sister’s condition. A dollar to doughnuts, that’s how she met Kevin Jung. I have a feeling that Vector5, the active ingredient in the disgraced Rx drug Octoperson, has shown promise not only in treating dementia, but also in rousing coma patients. It’s even possible that Kim is a partner (in more ways than one?) with Kevin Jung in AP EON – and his flirtation with Geum-ja is camouflage.

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Beware of Rampant Speculation

Part 2 of 2

I’m left to wonder how much Kim Min-joo knows about Geum-ja’s true identity. If she had done due diligence on every partner and associate, surely she knows at least as much as the partner’s creepy murderous father.

The disclosure that the daughter of the founder of the Trinity sect [owner of Gnosis Medical Co., Ltd., patentholder of Octoperson] has been abused by her adoptive mother for years, and has been thwarted in court every time for lack of evidence, looks like a set-up for the final resolution of Geum-ja’s own case against her abusive adoptive father. The mere mention of exceptions to the statute of limitations in child abuse cases sticks out like a sore thumb. I’ll bet the ranch that this will be how she beats the rap for framing her father for aggravated assault. But I have a feeling that it will be investigator Park Joo-ho, her dongsaeng from the orphanage whom I mistook for her kid brother, and Hee-jae who will take Dad to court – assuming Joo-ho doesn’t kill him first.

All along I’ve been wondering if there’s a smoking gun in the H Team files regarding the defense of Geum-ja’s father... Now I wonder if Song & Kim had at some point defended Trinity leader Baek against her daughter’s suits. What other deadly secrets are lurking in those files? – And how is it that Song came to be the “sole survivor” of the H Team? Did he double-cross everyone else?

I’m with you, @missvictrix, regarding wacko pseudo-Christian cultists. I’m also watching NOBODY KNOWS, and it’s getting confusing trying to keep the two shows straight. On the other hand, given that the former President of ROK was also involved with such an outfit, I guess this may be art imitating life.

On the lighter side, I got a kick out of Hee-jae’s repeated party-crashing, especially at the octopus restaurant. The way he expertly ties into the writhing main course without batting an eye or losing a single morsel is hilarious, especially after Geum-ja has shoveled some of it onto a spoon for Kevin. I got the impression that Geum-ja is actually busting Kevin’s chops under pretense of showing him the ropes. I felt bad for the vivisected cephalopod.

Aside: Octopi have 9 brains, a central one plus one in each arm – which may be why the prescription drug is called “Octoperson.” I don’t think it is ever mentioned which disease or condition it was originally intended to treat. But with a name like that, it certainly conjures up the central nervous system.

Geum-ja lowers the boom at the Namsan cable car. Man, was that heartless. She finagles his coat, and then leaves him to freeze his butt off in the apparently unheated cabin. Sheesh! (And here I thought that they were going up to find their lock...)

Hee-jae’s ocular interrogations of Ji-eun cracked me up. The looks that pass between them are hilarious. Who needs dialogue when the eyes have it?

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Ji Run saying she is overwhelmed by how passionately Hee Jae looks at Guem Ja was life.

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She is amazing! I loved that scene.

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I think Guem Ja is slamming both eyes shut to Hee Jae's good qualities because she doesn't want to fall got him. She's said before that he's sexy but I feel like the upcoming episodes might make her realise that she can actually be herself around him. I think Hee Jae's brother is suspicious of Sing and knows that Song might be using Hee Jae. I loved the fact that Hee Jae managed to stop that kid from behaving badly and indirectly restored a bit of faith in Lawyer Na regarding being a lawyer at Song and Kim. Also I think Guem Ja agreed to escort Kevin just so that she could annoy Hee Jae

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Oooh I love this, I think Geum ja is deliberately trying to distance herself from Hee-Jae. I think she recognises that Hee-Jae might be someone she can trust and confide in. She hasn't got anyone else but her brother and even then she is the protector.

I think you are right, Uncle song is trying drive a wedge between the father and son and using Hee-Jae to take the fall on shady cases. I had thought Song wanted the spotlight but maybe he wants the power of manipulating people in the shadows. The expression on his face when the D&T chaebol met him for coffee and during the dinner with the politicians made me uncomfortable.

I was wondering why they called it octoperson! That must be it! I was wondering why Kim had put forward this case to the Geum ja and why she had been so agressive during the sushi dinner. The remarks about kevin's taste in women was uncalled for, unless she is involved with him romantically.

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I think Song wants to be a kingmaker figure and that is why he's so adamant to use Hee Jae and influence people. Man be shady. I think Kim Min Joo may not be the villain after all. I think she wants Guem Ja to end up with Kevin so that it's easier for her to make Guem Ja side with her.

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While I loved the episodes, I still would have wished Hee Jae could "keep his cool" and not go into competitor-mode. From what we (and he should) know of Geum Ja I am pretty sure she is playing the role of being interested in hot-Wall Street-Lawyer-Guy (and his kid) as a strategy to get more information out of him to win the case.

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I am pretty sure she is. Also I think she's doing it to annoy Hee Jae. She looked at his disapproving expression before agreeing to escort Kevin.

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Yeah, if Hee-Jae wasn't so distracted and thinking with another part of this anatomy, he would realise the same. I'm thinking that the meet cute in the beginning may have been a double set up on Kevin's part acting on Lawyer Kim's instructions.

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I feel like I've been counting down the hours until ep 9 and 10 aired. It is crazy how quickly the episodes have been subbed,thank you for posting the recap @missvictrix

There is so much to discuss this week, all I know is that I need more Hee-Jae and Geum-ja on my screen. Is it awful, that I just want them to be locked in a lift during a power cut? I guess we almost had that in the cable car ;)

I am so happy Hee-Jae and Geum-ja taking the younger members of the the team under their wing. Team H are really interesting and I'm liking the dynamic between the two sub teams. The Naturalle scene had me in stitches, it's funny how he is using every excuse to interrupt their date. I think we need to start making a compliation of these moments.

Again I like how the writer has used Attorney Na as the moral compass, asking the questions that the audience has.We can already see how Geum-ja has influenced Hee-Jae, with how he approached the CEO with evidence of his son's behaviour. I don't think he would have done that extra step a few episodes ago and he is starting to figure out what kind of lawyer he wants to be. I'm thinking back to the earlier episodes where the other partners have said he got lucky because of his connections/that he is a one trick pony. His confession during that dinner with his father in ep 5-6, he has been so focused on winning and not making a mistake that he lost sight of making the right decision. I'm glad that we are seeing him find a way to win for SK and keep his integrity.
Uncle Song has noticed the shift in his behaviour and I thought the chaebol dinner was a great power move. It was off-putting to see how desperately he was sucking up to these men. SK is already successful so I can only assume he is lobbying to enter politics. I hope that Hee-Jae is questioning Uncle Song's decisions and is secretly recording their conversations. I'm starting to see a pattern of how Song operates, he will use and exploit someone's talents, keep a record of their misdeeds and get rid of them. Like the previous H lawyer, his wife, his mentee Attorney Ma . I'm intrigued to find out if Hee-Jae turns against them, if Uncle Song has the files to blackmail HJ's father.
I'm also thinking that the inheritance tax case may be related to Uncle Song's wife and the true owners of the law firm. If chaebols can pass on their companies to their children. Surely this means SK is owned by the eldest daughter Uncle Song's wife, as she is incapable of making decisions, her assets will be taken over by her husband.
I think his wife was going to leave him and he couldn't stand the fact the firm he had dedicated years to is being taken away from him.

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Agree with your analysis on Uncle Song! Also felt the that the dinner scene was totally slimy, and it seemed like Heejae was starting to see Uncle's true colours

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It was so gross to watch, I don't know how he could sit there and keep smiling.

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Well, his smile did look strained... Ju Jihoon is really nailing it with his acting

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It totally did. If feels like he realised how much Song was trying to impress them

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@ayaan Ayan,
You make a compelling case, Counsellor. ;-)

That's a great point about the likelihood of Kim Unni's wanting to leave Lawyer Song. It makes perfect sense. I could easily see him killing/maiming for something like that. He could have given her a shot of insulin she didn't need and staged the scene to look as if she fell in the bathroom or something.(Interestingly, Lee Kyoung-young played a character in ROOM NO. 9 who bumped off a chaebol heir to seize control of assets.)

I'm wondering if the H Team members Song got rid of were privy to the dirt on him. Kim Min-joo may well have been tracking them down while she was overseas. I have a feeling that we haven't seen the last of the banished Gong Hyeon-guk (Choi Won-young). How much do you want to bet that Min-joo met with him in America?

Is it possible that the Kim sisters' father had actually passed the firm to Min-joo, the practicing lawyer, and not her sister? Or perhaps to both of them?

Right about now my overactive imagination considers Geum-ja's unknown parentage. Could she unknowingly be an illegitimate child of the late Lawyer Kim? Song could have stumbled across that tidbit and realized he had another potential heiress to deal with. (That would account for her having the intellectual chops to study law as a schoolgirl.)

Song is enough of a slimeball to put on a show currying favor with all the bigwig chaebols at dinner as camouflage that the impetus for amending the Inheritance Tax Law came from them when he was in fact the prime mover. He does himself the favor, but makes it look like Chairman Son Bong-u was behind it. Very sneaky. S&K pockets hefty fees, the chaebols get their tax breaks, and Son forks over big bucks to support Song's favored politicians. Money makes the world go 'round.

Now that I think of it, the H files are probably hiding all kinds of slush funds. I suspect that woori numbers guy, Kim Chang-wook, will be the one to follow the money -- right to Song's doorstep.

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Thanks Pakalana!

I'm hoping that he didn't kill his wife to keep control of the law firm, but I can see it happening so easily. We don't know much about Song's background, is it a coincidence that he falls in love with the daughter of a prestigious law firm?
Could he have manipulated the situation from the very beginning?
Are the old H members dead? I agree Hyeon Guk will definitely side with Min -joo.

Was Geum -ja living with her adoptive parents , I had assumed that was her real father?if that was her adoptive father, then how could she be placed with them. There must have been someone who knew about his behaviour. Also the trial, how can he be acquitted of killing his wife.

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@ayaan,

It wouldn't surprise me if Song targeted Lawyer Kim's firm from the get-go as a stepping stone to accruing power, prestige, and influence -- and $$$$. Or maybe he went over to the dark side after he'd been working there for a while and helped make it into a more successful practice. We don't know if his wife had been a lawyer herself, but I get the impression that she wasn't, or retired when she married.

As for the former members of H Team, we know that at lease one is still alive (for all we know). It's unclear whether Song would have sent the Truck Of Doom after all of them, but you never know.

My understanding is that Pastor Creepy is Geum-ja's adoptive father. Lord only knows how half-baked a job the orphanage did in screening prospective adoptive families. Maybe we'll find out that Song & Kim was the orphanage's law firm, and failed to do due diligence in allowing Homicidal Dad to adopt one of their kids. S&K could have gotten him off the hook for killing his wife to cover up their own culpability in handling the adoption.

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I only started watching this weekend and boy am I hooked. It's packed, fast-paced, intrigueing, fun, and definitely sexy. The leads are such great actors who are able to execute their characters to perfection. It's inspiring to see main characters who brilliant, flawed, confident, and intense. Also, needless to say, I can't get over how hot (AF) they are together! 🔥🔥🔥

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The octopus scene was great but I don't know how you can eat it raw. The shots of the tentacles wriggling around made me feel a bit sick.

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Glad to know I'm not the only queasy viewer. I prefer my dinner to be well and truly deceased before I eat it. On the other hand, I can understand how that is one way to ensure that seafood has not spoiled, dating back to the days before refrigeration and aerated holding tanks.

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I'm a vegetarian so I was hella uncomfortable. I knew they were in an octopus restaurant but the way they were wriggling, I thought the were worms. I was grossed out to say the least

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I understand that you guys are grossed out the raw octopus. I too, was a bit grossed out. Nonetheless, it's actually a traditional Korean dish. As Kevin's escort, it's reasonable for Geum Ja to introduce a traditional dish. More importantly, she uses it to crack him, suggested by the scene where Ji Eun asked her how did the octopus plan go.

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@ Blue,
Thanks for your insights. I understand that raw octopus (san-nakji) is a traditional dish, and that as such, it made sense for Geum-ja to introduce Kevin to it. It's just that it looked alive. I'm relieved to learn that that was merely posthumous nerve activity and muscle reflexes on display.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San-nakji

Good point about the octopus gambit being part of Geum-ja's strategy to crack the client and find out why he is so interested in acquiring a discredited drug. It was going swimmingly -- until Hee-jae crashed their dinner date and expertly scarfed down the wriggling entree without batting an eye. He was so totally obnoxious. What a show-off. ROFLMAO!

And then there's the subtext: the cougar hyena devouring its prey alive...

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Also isn't octopus an aphrodisiac? Hee-Jae looked like he was going to eat everyone alive!

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@ayaan,
I don't know about octopus being an aphrodisiac. Oysters (which are naturally high in zinc) are considered aphrodisiac in the West.

I agree re: Hee-jae. Testosterone spill at table 5. ;-)

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Just dropped by to give a shoutout to Geumja for humblebragging about guys not leaving her alone... Feels refreshing to watch a 49 year old woman (even if she looks a lot younger) being smoking hot in a drama!

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I also loved that moment! She's a pip + I agree it's refreshing!

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Heejae started out as a privileged jackass, but he sure is smart. It's interesting how Geumja's actions prompt him into becoming self-aware:

1. of his family's privilege in the professional milieu,
2. of how oblivious he was when dating Geumja that he didn't realize that they were only doing the stuff he liked instead of getting to learn about her tastes,
3. and, finally, his dawning on Uncle Song's shenanigans.
He sure is an interesting character! And I like him all the better because, highly intelligent and all, Geumja has him wrapped around her little finger 😂

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What struck me as they were waiting for the cable car to Namsan was something Geum-ja said about Hee-jae's always studying -- implying that he'd never taken the time to goof off. He might look like a player, but until Geum-ja made the first move, I don't think he had dated. That would explain why they'd only done stuff that he liked -- because he hadn't dated before and was still oblivious to partnership as a two-way street.

I'm pretty sure that Hee-jae studied law because that was the "family business" and it was expected of him, not because he was interested in it. That could account for his professional perfectionism and fixation on crossing all the Ts and dotting every i -- yet failing to recognize righteousness.

I'm still wondering about his family background. His mother was not at all in the picture at Dad's birthday barbecue. Did she die when Hee-jae was young? We've never seen him speak with his mother on the phone. Methinks there's a wound there.

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interesting catch about Hee-Jae's mother. There may be something there we don't know anything about as yet. This show has told us far more about Geum-ja than about Hee-jae anyway. So maybe it's time they went into a bit of his backstory as well.

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@pickleddragon,
It's been bugging me ever since that barbecue scene that there hasn't been any mention of Mom. You'd think that she would have put in at least a brief appearance at Dad's birthday cookout. I've felt that Hee-jae's past has gotten short shrift.

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Nah, he had definitely dated. In the first episode, Geum-ja and Awesome Sidekick decide on Hee-jae as their target because he'd 'just split up from his girlfriend' and gets 'easily bored with women'

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Thanks, @cloggie. I'd forgotten that. ;-)

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Then his attraction for Guem Ja is doubly interesting. I think he is attracted by the fact that she challenges him at every step rather than being compliant

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Also that moment where he steps up and plays that video of the kid abusing his driver. It seems like he may not be righteous but he is definitely realising how much you can get away with if you're privileged

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Heejae understands how hard life has been to her and wants to be someone who is easy in her life. He has tried to hint this every episode now.
Despite his life of privilege, he wants to be his own person and after meeting Geumja, he is learning about his shortcomings too . He realizes their dating was superficial at all levels thanks to his self centered attitude and not just being scammed.
But he now likes this real person who is in front of him.
It will be interesting to see how both of them overcome their attitude problems n be together. I guess the Song and Kim war is something that will unite them against being played by their company.

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I don't really get the last remark of the recap. Most dramas portray religious people positively?

The few times I've seen them portrayed as villains, they were very clearly the leader of a cult (like the woman from Gnosis), using people's beliefs to manipulate them. Or, like it is sometimes the case in real life, they were people who hid behind their religion to justify being a**holes. Just like GJ's Dad.

Considering Korea's very serious cult problem, and the government's inadequate actions against them, I think it's great for people who have this kind of platform to expose them for what they truly are.

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I'm with you there sis. Korean cults were heavily involved in the tragic Sewol accident and now they contributed to spread the corona virus in Korea. They're very powerful so it is necessary for media to find ways to expose them.

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Lawyer Boo Geum Ja car scene was too good even Geum Ja ji Eun scene was really good

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From preview , it looks like GeumJa has finally helped the Issume mistress to escape causing overdose with the addict Chaebol . She seems to discussing something on the lines before splling coffee on Kevin. Also she will help the abuse victim , something that will finally impress Hee Jae.

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I liked that here the team was splitting intro different groups as and when required... Like it wasn't just our dynamic duo together on the case of the day but rather most them working on different cases or leads in different pairing as is suitable... It gives the vibes that this group of people are gonna be hella comfortable and synced by the time the story is over.. At least I hope🤞

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Love this show! As a person of faith, I get extremely tired of how they are portrayed in the states as well as some of Korean TV. I have been nicely surprised that some Korean shows really center around faith whether Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism in a truer sense and it really makes for a a more in-depth picture of humanity. I’ve gotten so tired of Hollywood or American shallow, violent, sex filled television and addicted to Korean entertainment. I’m not saying that Korean Tv doesn’t have those other genres but it’s refreshing to see some new type of television and Movies. KUDOS!

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