Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 2
by javabeans
And now it’s time for Episode 2 of Moon Lovers, which I know aired yesterday, and there’s a whole third episode sitting here waiting for me to get to it. I’m recapping like the wind, I swear! A really slow, tired wind with joint problems.
The second episode was a lot more action-packed than the first, since we could move past most of the introductions (even though I’m still working to keep all the princes and bloodline loyalties straight in my goldfish-memory brain). I do wonder if there was a better way, conceptually, to start this series in a way that could still introduce everyone properly and have more plot happen off the bat. I think there probably are other approaches, but barring a whole rehaul of format and gazillions of flashbacks and other devices, I think it’s just inevitable that it would take a little while to settle in. So let’s start settling.
EPISODE 2 RECAP
Hae Su (or to be more accurate, 21st-century Ha-jin, who’s decided to live as Hae Su) is rescued from a fall off a ridge by Wang So, the fourth imperial prince of Goryeo, as he charges by on horseback. Well, I suppose it was his fault she almost fell, so it’s the least he could do.
Su stares up at So with wide eyes, clinging tightly as he continues riding for a bit before halting the horse. She’s transfixed, looking intently into his face, and he glances back at her… before dumping her onto the ground in a heap. Heh.
Glaring, she stops him to chastise him for his rudeness. He’s taken aback at her forthrightness, but responds by purposely rearing his horse up on its hind legs to scare her. She falls down and he rides on with a smirk, leaving her fuming in his wake.
Su exclaims the she ought to report him to the police, but a bystander lets her know that he was the notorious fourth prince—it’s a lucky thing she survived the encounter.
Su’s maid Chae-ryung comes running up to tell her that Princess Yeonhwa is looking for her.
Currently, the princess is with her brothers, or at least the six of them that get along; So is absent. The meeting is for the princes to prepare for the upcoming ceremony, held on the last day of the year to chase out evil spirits from the palace. The others take this opportunity to complain about how difficult it is to get along with So, who’s moody and scary.
Which is, of course, the moment So chooses to step inside, and the princes snap to attention, tensing with worry. The only one who looks happy to see So is Princess Yeonhwa, who (historical spoiler alert!) is both his half-sister and future wife. She lives here with eighth prince Wook (her full brother), and invites So to stay in this house while he’s in the city, which Wook agrees with.
But shifty-looking third prince Yo interjects, telling Wook not to try too hard with So: “He’s understands the language of beasts better than people.”
The others stiffen at the barb, but So just replies, “Ah, that’s why I understand my hyungnim’s [Yo’s] words so well.” Nice burn.
The maids enter with snacks, which is also Su’s cue to join the gathering, although she does her best to hang back out of sight. Her skulking behind a pillar gets the attention of tenth prince Eun, who gets in her face and tries to place why she’s so familiar, while she goes cross-eyed and prays that he won’t figure it out.
Eun makes the connection, though, and asks if she was the peeping tom at the baths. Su blurts a denial, and accidentally knocks down a maid carrying a tray, sending plateware crashing to the ground.
Faced with the princess’s anger and a roomful of staring princes, Su runs out in mortification.
Thirteenth prince Baek-ah comments that Su has changed; she used to be quite modest and careful. Wook merely replies that he was never that close with her and wouldn’t know. (Or so you say—I’ve got my eye on you.) Princess Yeonhwa supposes that Eun was mistaken, since it would have been impossible for Su to get entry to their royal bath.
Su calms her racing heart and tells herself to hang in there, then spots Eun stepping outside—he’s still convinced he recognizes her correctly and goes searching for her.
Su initially ducks for cover, but then sees Eun stopping to peer through a tear in the door. He doesn’t find Su there, but he sure doesn’t stop watching the maid undress.
Then maid girl Chae-ryung sees him and screams, sending Eun running, only to be blocked by a stern-faced Su. Eun insists, rather unconvincingly, that he’s innocent of the slave’s accusation, and Chae-ryung can’t be absolutely sure it was him.
But Su retorts that she saw it clearly, and scolds the prince like an ajumma schooling an errant schoolboy. She orders him to apologize, which Eun can’t even fathom doing—a prince, bowing to a slave?
He storms off, and Su chases him to insist he apologize, grabbing at his cloak. He shoves her off, and when she crashes to the ground, that just pisses Su off more. She trips Eun, then engages in a full-on hair-grabbing tussle.
The sounds of their yelping reach the other princes indoors, and they get up to take a look. All but So, who remains disinterested.
By the time the princes get outside, the fight has progressed to headlocks (his) and biting (hers). Eun knocks her down, she kicks him over, and then she climbs on top of him and smacks him repeatedly. Eun warns that she won’t escape unscathed, but Su is caught up in her fury, calling him a sexual harasser.
He mocks her openly, and then Su delivers the final blow: a mighty head-butt that stuns everyone watching. She rolls up her sleeve and pulls back to deliver a doozy of a slap—only this time, a hand grabs her wrist.
It’s So, who seems amused while she gapes in surprise. Eun tries to charge at Su, but Wook intervenes, warning him that there are many eyes watching. Eun flounces off in a pet.
Su finally wrenches her hand free of So’s grasp, then follows him to have more words. She demands an apology from him, too, for his rudeness. He asks who she is to demand that—what is her social status, that she could treat royalty so roughly?
It’s not an argument she finds persuasive: “So if I’m a slave you’d ignore me, but apologize if I were a princess?” She declares that she’ll get her apology from him, and also “that little kid prince” too.
So nods along, as though conceding—but then he leans way down to look her eye to eye, warning that after he apologizes to her, “You’ll have to die. And you’ll be okay with that?”
He starts to say the words, “I’m sor¬—” but Su exclaims, “Unni!” and uses the arrival of her cousin, Lady Hae, to cut him off.
She then accompanies Lady Hae to the temple for prayer, and Lady Hae tells her that no matter the reason, she laid a hand on an imperial prince—she won’t be able to escape punishment. It’s even possible that Wook will face punishment considering she’s in his care.
Lady Hae wonders how Su could have changed so much, and explains that this is where mothers come to pray for their children. She doesn’t have children, but indicates her tower of prayer stones and explains that these are on behalf of Su.
Lady Hae explains having decided to look after Su, who’d lost her own mother, as a mother would. But on a day like this, she fears her efforts and affection have been insufficient, and feels ashamed thinking that Su’s mother is watching.
At that, Su starts to cry, thinking of her own mother. Lady Hae envelops her in a hug, and asks tearfully what she is to do with her. She tells Su to get along well here, if only for her mother’s sake, and that makes Su cry harder.
Su sits outside the temple for a long while, thinking of how she’s causing trouble for people who take care of her. She wonders if there’s a way to go back and asks Chae-ryung after that man she’d seen earlier (Astronomer Choi)—she recognized his face as the homeless man on the pier, the only link to her time.
Su considers the bathing springs, but Chae-ryung shudders at the thought, warning her against returning to the site where she almost died.
Astronomer Choi examines Eun’s black eye while ninth prince Won and thirteenth prince Baek-ah snicker in amusement. Eun fumes over the audacity of the girl who’d dare raise a hand to royalty, but Won teases him about his “fateful meeting.”
Baek-ah fans the flames, saying that a woman wouldn’t bother raising a hand to him if she were uninterested. Clueless Eun actually seems to believe that, and asks follow-up questions while his brothers try not to laugh.
They clam up when So enters the building, and watch curiously as he makes his way to a room, shoving aside a court lady to force his way in. So wears a smile of anticipation on his face as he enters the room…
But it fades when he sees that his mother, Queen Sinmyeongsunseong, is sitting with his two full brothers, third prince Yo and fourteenth prince Jung. Ouch, that’s got to hurt, considering that she treats him with indifference at best.
So joins them anyway, and his mother consciously refuses to look at him. Younger brother Jung fills the silence by talking about So’s recent improvements in martial arts. At that, the queen asks if he’s really been learning martial arts, and So replies that he hasn’t. The queen supposes that his adoptive family in Shinju would have no reason to do that.
Yo chimes in with the rumor of a dog-wolf appearing in the city, clearly aimed at So. So just replies levelly, “He’s said to be from Shinju, isn’t he?”
The queen calls the visit to a close, and So can barely mask his disappointment, saying that it’s been two years since they’ve seen each other. The queen merely says it’s out of consideration for his adoptive mother, but So replies that he intends to stay longer this time, and asks to stay with his brothers at the family’s private residence.
It’s almost painful to watch So alternate between hope and disappointment, continuing to try for his mother’s affection despite the constant rejections. The queen balks at his suggestion, declaring So a member of the Shinju Kang clan; his return to his birth family would cause strife between the two clans.
So chokes back his bitterness, saying, “They said I was sent as an adopted son, but hostage was right.”
Yo mocks his use of “hostage,” as though So is being overly dramatic, and the queen asks, “How could I use you as hostage?” So replies, “When you say that, I must believe you.” Then he reaches into his cloak to give his mother a present.
But Jung beats him to the punch, presenting her with a lovely hairpin that she fawns over. Stunned and hurt, So keeps the hairpin he’d brought her tucked in his cloak.
He excuses himself to leave, and Yo throws a parting shot at his back, remarking that it’s quite an embarrassment to see a prince so pathetic. So doesn’t react as he exits, not even when he finds his other half-brothers eavesdropping in the hallway.
After his departure, the queen tells her other two sons to make sure So is sent back after the ceremony, calling soldiers if necessary.
Then Jung shares an interesting rumor he’s heard, that the queen herself was the cause of So’s disfigurement. He says it like it’s unbelievable, but Yo rebukes Jung sharply for repeating groundless rumors.
On his way out, So is stopped by Astronomer Choi, who suggests he bathe before the rites and has a servant escort him away.
That night, Su makes her way alone to the bathing pools in search of a link to that man she’d seen. She supposes seeing him could have even been a divine sign, and hopes that means there’s a way for her to return home. With her prince-hitting punishment hanging over her head, she’s motivated to leave Goryeo as soon as possible.
Once in the bathing pool, So removes his mask (oh thank god, I’ve been dying for that thing to come off), and we see the multitude of scars all over his back and torso. He stares into the still water… and then rears back when Su bursts out of the pool.
She comes up gasping, and as she locks eyes with So, they both freeze. After a beat, he claps a hand over his scarred eye, looking ashamed.
“Did you see?” he asks hesitantly. Su just stares in shock, speechless, and So grabs her throat and bellows, “I asked if you saw!”
She begs for mercy, and when he orders her to forget him, she nods jerkily. So grabs his mask and clothes and leaves the pool—and misses seeing that the hairpin he bought for his mother falls to the ground.
Su spots it and takes it with her, then takes the long walk back home. By the time she arrives, the whole household is outside waiting for her, which stuns her.
Lady Hae chides her for leaving without a word, leaving the whole family to worry. The word “family” sticks with Su, and she realizes, “I’ve… come home.”
Later, Su asks her maid Chae-ryung about the fourth prince, and Chae-ryung freaks out just at the mention of him, urging Su to avoid him at all costs if she were to run into him—his cruelty is famous.
Chae-ryung describes his background as we see an exhausted, bloody So making his way down rocky terrain, to the men who wait down below. They’re his adoptive family members from the Kang clan, and the leader seems both awed and disappointed that So didn’t die—they forced him to battle wolves for sport, and he’d supposedly killed all the wolves in Shinju.
Chae-ryung adds that So is said to kill people, too—especially those who see the scar on his face. Alarmed, Su realizes that she really did just escape death. She’s also surprised to be told that So’s royal status is what enables him to travel freely, because people here can’t stand to look upon people with disfigured faces. Su grumbles to herself that the tendency to give the upper classes preferential treatment hasn’t changed in a thousand years.
So’s mother, Queen Sinmyeongsunseong, bathes alone and thinks back to a recent conversation she’d had with her eldest son, Yo. They’ve been biding their time for a while, and they feel the need to speed things up because of the recent rumors that the king may abdicate the throne to Crown Prince Mu. The queen says that the upcoming ceremony is their best chance at eliminating Mu, and Yo assures her not to worry.
On the day of the ceremony to chase out evil spirits, the palace bustles with preparations. Queen Sinmyeongsunseong is elaborately dressed and adorned, and comments that she will shine the brightest in the palace today.
She encounters another royal consort in the courtryard, Queen Sinjeong, mother to Wook and Princess Yeonhwa. (Queen Sinmyeongsunseong is the third consort, while Queen Sinjeong is the fourth.) With her and the princess is daughter-in-law Lady Hae.
The queens exchange pleasantries, and Queen Sinmyeongsunseong invites the princess to visit her for a chat sometime. They maintain smiles until Queen Sinmyeongsunseong moves on, at which point Princess Yeonhwa’s face darkens.
The princess dislikes the idea of her mother having to deal with Queen Sinmyeongsunseong all alone in the palace, and wishes her brother Wook would bring his mother into the private residence. At that, Lady Hae cautions her to watch her words in the palace.
Queen Sinjeong agrees, and advises her daughter “to forget it all.” The princess asks bitterly, “How can I forget that grudge?”
Queen Sinjeong wonders why Su wasn’t brought along with her, and Lady Hae replies that Su has been making many mistakes in the wake of her accident, and she thought it best to leave her behind.
The princes do one last run-through of their sword-dance, and Crown Prince Mu beams in approval. Tenth prince Eun asks Wook if Su will be here today (now that the idea is planted that she likes him), and that question gets him roundly teased by his brothers, who joke about him getting another black eye to match his first. It brings a smile to everyone’s face, even So’s—although the second he sees Wook noticing, the smile fades.
Meanwhile, shifty-looking Yo looks over at a line of black-clad men arriving for their part in the ritual, wearing demon masks.
But Crown Prince Mu is working his counterplay, and secretly exchanges costumes with So.
Meanwhile, Su and Chae-ryung head out into the city to enjoy the festivities there, admiring the dancing and lights.
At the palace, So takes the lead position as the ceremony begins, though everybody else believes him to be Mu. In this ritual, he plays the part of the leader in driving out the demons from the palace, with princes providing backup.
The performance is a mix of martial arts and dance, and Queen Sinjeong compliments “Mu” for his skilled showing. (This is not a surprise, since Mu has a military background, though notably, So does not—despite his reputation for savagery, his lack of official fighting training has been noted.)
Then it’s time for the demon-masked men to join the performance, and So takes them on in an impressive choreographed display. Masked Yo joins So as they drive out the demons, reciting an incantation together.
But suddenly, more masked men fly in from above, and immediately the king and Astronomer Choi know that this wasn’t part of the planned ritual. The demons draw their swords to attack So, and Astronomer Choi sounds the call to protect the king.
Soldiers rush the king’s platform to guard him, and by now the princes realize something’s amiss. So—still masked—takes on an army of demons, and Wook is the first to charge into the fray to help. The other princes follow suit, evening the numbers.
At one point Yo exchanges a glance with the demon he’s pretending to fight, then maneuvers their swords and points it at So—to the eye, it would look like an accidental stabbing. The sword slices So’s arm and he goes down, and then a demon swoops in for the kill.
But a masked prince jumps in at the last second and defends So—ah, the real Mu—and the demons sense defeat and scatter. Yo orders the soldiers to catch the assassins, and the king hurries to check on his son. The mask comes off, and he’s stunned to see So’s face instead of Mu’s.
Immediately, the king demands to know where Mu is, and ouch, there’s such a look of hurt on So’s face as he registers his father’s priorities, and how he doesn’t figure in them. Mu reveals himself, the king relaxes, and the queen realizes her plot was foiled.
So says he will catch the culprits and runs off alone. Mu grabs his sword to follow, but his father stops him.
So heads into the city streets, spotting the assassins traveling on rooftops, and chases. The pursuit leads him through the city streets, and at one point Su spots him while taking a break from sight-seeing.
Curiosity compels her to follow, even as the chase takes So into the woods. What. Why are you going into the woods?! Don’t be that idiot!
So catches up with the assassins and engages in a swordfight with one of them. They face off in a fierce clash, while Su wanders into a different area of the woods. There, she happens upon a meeting of the other assassins as they meet with their leader—Prince Yo—and bow before him with heads bowed. And then, at his command, Yo’s guards kill the failed assassins.
Su stares in horror and quietly retreats, but lets out a tiny gasp… and Yo hears it. When he whirls around, however, she’s gone.
Back to So, who demands to know whom the assassin is working for. He offers a deal to spare the assassin’s life in exchange for the name, and the assassin wavers, uncertain.
And just as he starts to lower his sword, Su comes running up, gasping about the scene she just witnessed. Gack!
So obviously, the assassin now grabs Su hostage, and holds his sword to her throat.
But So just tells him to go ahead and kill her, to the assassin’s shock. “Or should I do it?” So asks.
He raises his sword and points it at Su’s face, and as one blade digs into her neck, she begs to be saved. So smirks that one woman means nothing to him and presses the assassin for a name.
Once more the assassin wavers, loosening his grip, and So feels victory in his grasp… but Su sees the blade moving away from her neck and bites the assassin’s hand, shoving him away. I think this is the definition of digging your own grave.
The assassin moves to kill her anyway, and So starts to react, but a dagger flies in and embeds itself in the assassin’s head. It’s Wook, arriving in the nick of time.
Except, it’s not good timing for So, who’s just been robbed of answers. He grabs Su angrily, raging at her for ruining things. His sword presses close to her neck.
But Wook holds his sword to So’s neck and tells him to let her go. In one quick move, So whirls to clash swords with Wook, and replies that he won’t.
COMMENTS
This episode was more satisfying than the first, although I found the premiere episode entertaining and adequate for its purposes. (Although maybe “adequate” is part of the problem, when we were promised glorious. I suspect that the undercurrent of disappointment I’m hearing has a lot to do with elevated expectations, that killer of dramaland fun. Perhaps it’s not the only reason, but surely it’s a big one.) We got to see more of the princes we cared about (So), and it was easier to relegate the lesser princes to background territory, offering moments of levity while the primary princes did the dramatic lifting.
I also liked the way the show had Su slowly seeing this world as more of a permanent place to live, even as she’s still searching for a way out. I still find her reaction to being dropped in Goryeo to not quite ring true, but aside from that point, I like the moment she realizes that her actions have consequences for the people here, who have been very nice in looking after her, and that for now, this is the closest thing to family she has. (I don’t think my feeling of disconnect has to do with time constraints—i.e., needing to set up story quickly—because I recall that the heroine in Splish Splash Love got that across in even less time. It’s all about taking some care to establish tone and emotional connection, and I feel like we’re skipping some of that here.)
And don’t get me started on the frustrating foolishness of her wandering into a forest at night alone while men were clearly fighting to the death. At that point I had to throw up my hands and think that if she died, it would be her own damn fault. I appreciate that she has spunk, and doesn’t let social rank cow her into deference, mostly because that means nothing to her. I like that version of Su, who is driven more by what’s right than what’s expected of her. But the end of this episode was an annoyance, and the show had better smarten her up from here on out, y’hear me?!
By contrast, I think the show’s doing a marvelous job with So, or maybe that’s Lee Jun-ki’s work. Probably a combination of the two. It’s partly to do with the way the story is setting up his background and affection-starved life, but also owes much to his diverse range of expressions and microexpressions. The scene with the queen and her two other sons is a prime example of this, because there was so much emotion going on there and I could track every single thread—So longing to see his mother, feeling hope at her reaction and disappointment at her lack of one, being hurt and her continued rejections, and forcing nonchalance to act like none of this affects him.
It also provides a meaty basis for the adult he’s grown into, who can commit savage acts without flinching. I can’t say I love the way he treats our heroine, but I do like that the drama is humanizing him and providing the explanation without necessarily romanticizing his brutishness. At least, I really hope they don’t take it in that direction; so far, I feel hopeful about the portrayal. And his reaction when she caught him in his most vulnerable state was a lovely moment—not lovely that he tried to strangle her, of course, but that we saw him drawing back first, and then lashing out to cover up. It’s pretty telling of his M.O. all around.
I’m not sure I’m feeling all of the princes, and while we have plenty of time for each one to get his own moment in the spotlight, I think it’s a four-man show with four bridesmaids. Which, really, is fine by me, so long as the conflict remains interesting. Yo’s scheming is familiar strife, but I hope we have more than that as a source of conflict; I find Wook the more interesting potential source of clashing. He’s the most civil and friendly, but he’s also the one I’d peg as the smartest and likely to play his cards close to the vest. I wouldn’t take my eye of him… not that I’d want to.
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1 rentenmann
August 30, 2016 at 2:30 PM
Reese, excited to watch this tonight (a little late to the game, but hey...)! Now to see if I can cony hubby into doing choose so I can marathon this and loads of other great dramas airing. Hmmmm...
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LBurnem
August 31, 2016 at 6:08 AM
I want to con my hubby into watching this too. Not sure I can explain to him why Wang So is interested in his half sister though. Since this is a somewhat loose interpretation of history, maybe they can skip the whole marrying his sister part (cringe) and just show the So-Su relationship.
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cinnamimi
August 31, 2016 at 8:24 AM
I understand that in the past, a king usually had more than one wife, but what I failed understanding is the half-brother/sister marriage. Okay, due to having many wives and it's probably the children of different wives didn't know well one another and could end up loving their half sister/brother, but still...
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Charlotte P
August 31, 2016 at 12:40 PM
It's not about love, it's about King Taejo's to keep his family united and prevent family strife. (LOL, intermarriages cause more family strife, but whatever) Besides, at least its not as bad as Egypt, lolz.
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harmonyfb
August 31, 2016 at 10:05 AM
My oldest daughter and I are watching it, and my husband initially stopped to mock how dirt-free all the peasants were...and then the swordfight stopped him cold. Heh.
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2 rentenmann
August 30, 2016 at 2:31 PM
That first word was supposed to be referred, silly auto correct...
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rentenmann
August 30, 2016 at 2:31 PM
Sorry again! Technology is not helping me now!
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AutoCorrect
August 30, 2016 at 8:12 PM
What you really meant to say:
"Really excited to watch this tonight (a little late to the game, but hey...)! Now to see if I can con my hubby into doing chores so I can marathon this and loads of other great dramas airing. Hmmmm..."
=)
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Hye Mi
August 30, 2016 at 10:02 PM
I'm sorry if I come across as rude but honestly I don't mean to
But autocorrect almost never fails to crack me up.
What it has done to your comment is sure annoying to you but I find it a cute and hilarious annoyance. LOL.
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3 Ashi
August 30, 2016 at 2:31 PM
Oh, that ending scene! I truly believe Wang Soo was saying Hae So's life doesn't matter because that would allow for her to live. I don't think he's as heartless as we're lead to believe.
Lee jun ki though @.@
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Still_Yoyo
August 30, 2016 at 7:45 PM
2 hot guys in a sword fight! Woo-hoo!
Also, the 4th prince really needs some prince charming lessons. You don't save a girl from falling, swoop her into your arms then just shove her down from your horse.
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nchoe
August 30, 2016 at 8:24 PM
I guess "Prince Charming" is not the concept that he's aiming for. LOL.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 10:11 PM
True, Prince Charming is more #8's concept than #4's.
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4 Mendy
August 30, 2016 at 2:32 PM
Am I The First? Dat Will Be The First Time Ever
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fab
August 30, 2016 at 2:38 PM
@rentenmann kinda beat you to it with not just one but three comments. Sorry. Anyhow what I'm doing here when I should be watching it first. Oh, wait no subs! *SOBS*
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5 bips99
August 30, 2016 at 2:35 PM
-Oh! wang so, you puppy. Killer, homicidal puppy but still a puppy. LJK nailed those 2 scenes with the despicable parents. Come here, i'll give you a hug!
-I don't care about historical accuracy because that fight scene b/w the prince and HS was beyond hilarious. I laugh every single time i watch it
-The ritual scene, so so beautifully shot. I was annoyed when the assassins showed up because I wanted to watch more of it. A+ production values.
-The show hits all my sweet spots. It is not so heavy on history and political shenanigans that I feel lost. Nor is it breezy to the point of being silly. I love it.
-Big Budget productions are the new underdogs. Everybody seems to want them to fail without giving them a chance. The hate is relentless. I'm just sad for LJK. He deserves to have a legit ratings hit.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 2:54 PM
Honestly, it's a surprise how low the ratings were, but I don't think these big-budget productions are underdogs at all, it's just that this particular one has been attracting nasty comments ever since IU was cast, before we'd even seen one frame.
And the timing, coming in the wake of another high-profile pre-produced drama also ending up with low ratings after loads of hype and even positive comments before airing, probably didn't help.
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bips99
August 30, 2016 at 3:01 PM
I don't get the ratings at all. Even if people say that Ep.1 was crap, they should have at least tuned in to see all the hype. But thats not the case at all
If it was just the ratings, i think pre-produced idea would be dead after these two shows. But apparently they make a lot of money overseas. ML has been sold for like 8 million $ in china alone. So profitable all around. I guess the only ones really hurt are the actors. Without a rating hit in their own country - CFs, future roles - all get affected.
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Sinjuma
August 30, 2016 at 4:20 PM
Yes. I don't understand how the ratings could be so low despite all the hype.
I don't really see a difference for pre-produced film... I mean a lot of Asian films and dramas are pre-produced so the onus is on the script and the actors to convey the desire feelings/emotions.
I have seen the Chinese version of the show and from the first two episodes of Moon Lovers, I am happy that the show was not a replicate. It was nice to see familiar settings but the Lee Jun Ki and Kang Haneul gave their characters different vibes from their Chinese counterparts.
I am rooting for this show!
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jane
August 30, 2016 at 6:38 PM
I love the show and I have been following all the teasers and writeup, interviews etc but I was watching the show with my husband and he said he is confused by the sheer number of characters and their relationships. So I guess that maybe what an ordinary tv viewer in Korea feels. But well the show had made its money. hopefully the ratings improved when the story goes full swing.
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swetu
August 31, 2016 at 12:28 AM
This drama is a prime example of why casting is very important to a drama's success. From the get go, fans of the original drama already noted that rather than casting for looks and hallyu fame by using idols, they should have been casting people who fit the roles.
Furthermore, while they should be applauded for crafting their own story rather than just copying the original, they have lost so much of the feel of the novel/drama. BBJX was never a slapstick type drama, even in the early episodes when the princes were still getting along, there was still some seriousness among the revelry. With Moon lovers however, 10th prince has been turned into a caricature, made worse by the EXO guy's amateurish acting, did you see the scene, where he literally humphed while exiting, like something a 6 year old would do. He is not the only one to blame though, the director should have fixed that and corrected him.
Then 14th prince, is also now a comedic character, and 13th prince has lost his fearlessness. The characterizations that set the princes apart have been lost, which is why many people are having a hard time differentiating the princes. The drama instead is so focused on showing the pretty, with terrible jump cuts and face zoom ins. Sigh...
They have turned our heroine into another kdrama damsel in distress. The original Maerta Rouxi was a history buff, who used that knowledge to navigate her time in the past. But here, they have our heroine not even knowing the name of the king that succeeds the throne. Instead they have added a new, male character, who will be the one that has knowledge of the future, and uses it to shape the past. Sigh x 2...
Despite all that, I still feel that the backlash and low ratings are way higher than they should be, and like what @javabeans said, it is more of a consequence of the hype, and the long wait and now people are more inclined to support the underdog, Moonlight Drawn by Clouds drama instead. Whoever at SBS is scheduling their dramas, needs to do a better job as well. Why schedule Moon Lovers to come after the airing of a similar, fusion, young people targeting, sageuk. The one that airs later is already at a disadvantage! Considering this was pre-produced, it should have aired weeks ago. It probably doesn't matter, because the production already made a profit, even before one scene was shown, so they can take solace in that at least.
Still watching and hope the drama gets better with later episodes, or at least the team does a better job with the post-production editing.
eva
August 31, 2016 at 4:18 AM
@swetu
I don't want to compare Moon Lovers to BBJX, but as they share the original source, I guess you can't completely avoid it. I also haven't watched BBJX fully, so my comparison obviously falls short.
Still, I don't agree that the characters have lost their previous shine or that the actors have been miscast, instead they're used to fill a different purpose in my opinion. Sure, besides the 4th and 8th, the princes have definitely taken on the filler roles, but I personally don't mind them being less flesh-out characters. The fact that the 10th prince isn't as sweet as his Chinese counterpart, but simply uber childish doesn't rub me the wrong way either, mainly because I'm too invested in what's going on with the "main" princes, and by all means I can't see how Lee Jun-ki or Kang Ha-neul have been miscast:)
It might be that I'm forgiving Moon Lovers's lack of smoothness in introducing its myriad of princes, simply because I like the overall mood better. Moon Lovers has a sad tinge to it, it's darker and more fairy tale like, and that alone has me sold.
I do agree that the heroine has suffered a bit in this one, being more of an usual damsel in distress, and that's a pity, but I still like her. I guess a lot of this show reminds me of Faith, which I really loved despite all of its flaws, and Su oddly brings back some Eun-soo feels. Besides, I was irrationally sold by the first frame of IU drinking soju from the bottle and being so damn miserable. Sawry.
As the time-travel trope has been used quite a lot in recent years, I understand that the viewers must feel impatient for the time traveler to get her shit together asap and whip out some smart plan to get out of there or make the most of her stay, because we already know (sorta) what she's supposed to do. But I don't mind Su being hapless and even making outrageously stupid moves (obvious lousy writing) like following So to the forest just to return the freaking psycho his hairpin(!).
Su is ridiculously out of her element. After all those time-travel dramas it's something easy to forget, but I love how they haven't shied away of how dangerous this new world is (more major Faith feels): life means very little, you can lose it just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and your rank doesn't only define who you are and what rights you have, but your individuality is utterly immersed by it (omg, Choi Young all over again!).
Overall I agree that Moon Lovers is pretty clumsy in bringing different parts together. It reminds me of other shows and it lacks that necessary meta to sew the cliches together in a fresh way. That's something every kdrama struggles to overcome.
Whenever So is onscreen, he's the classic Beast+unwanted son, Wook and Su have some SLA thing going on, So and Queen are like Mishil and Bidam, and I already mentioned Faith. BUT, as I really like the sad tone, I overlook the missing meta and jumpy editing and read it as a fairy...
eva
August 31, 2016 at 4:19 AM
...tale:)
anastassia
August 31, 2016 at 5:08 AM
@swetu:
Very much agreed!
very well said!
13infamyss
August 30, 2016 at 4:34 PM
Lee Jong Suk and Han Hyo Joo were getting hates too due to their personal life issues, but W ended up being successful at maintaining above 10%. Nevermind that the public hates them for the attitude and family, if the show is good and addicting to the mass, people will watch it for the show.
IU was loved during her Dream High days. She fit the bill and could totally act her character. I guess it's just a matter of hitting the right character for you to get the audience attract to you too.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 7:57 PM
True enough - clearly something here isn't clicking with audiences, even in addition to the associations that might lead people to balk.
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OTTbutHaveToStopTheRumor
August 30, 2016 at 9:01 PM
Sorry, but for LJS, the hate is over long long long ago at least on Naver where most of the netizens are anyway.
His article always get positive comments and No. of upvotes are really good. I know you are just trying to make a point here and mean no harm but it is at the risk of starting false rumors.
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Facts
August 30, 2016 at 9:01 PM
I happen to see this comment and have to clarify a few facts here.
No, Lee Jong Suk is NOT hated by public. Quite the contrary he is well loved. Here are a few links to his recent news. You can take a look at the comments and upvotes yourself:
http://entertain.naver.com/read?oid=311&aid=0000634631
All his drama have been successful for the past two years. Rating wise all 3 of them got the 1st place at the same time slot. I don’t know where you got the impression that he is hated by public. If you are talking about Nate, well that’s for haters and haters gonna hate anyway. They can’t represent public for sure.
BTW I don’t want to get into any arguments here. I just want to clarify the facts for LJS so others won’t be misled.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 9:11 PM
Thanks for that - glad to know he isn't still getting hate for something as ridiculous as that.
(but seriously, why do fans go to the airport anyway, don't they realise their oppas are there because, you know, they have to travel? It's a transport hub, not a fanmeeting site!)
Abbie
August 30, 2016 at 7:54 PM
What's the problem people are having with IU. I love her to pieces ever since I saw her in You're the Best Lee Soon-shin. I was excited when she was cast in this.
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nchoe
August 30, 2016 at 8:34 PM
I second this.
I came to see hot guys but end up falling for her. She gives this show life (apart from LJG, of course). I love her scenes because they're so funny and makes me giggling non-stop. She succeeds in making Hae Soo as an endearing character.
I'm not saying she deserves some fancy awards, but still the critics are too harsh.
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steff
September 1, 2016 at 9:34 PM
Thanks exactly how I feel! Her acting though not always the best, doesn't warrant such harsh criticism.
And omona, the scenes with KHN <3 <3 <3
boomboompow
August 30, 2016 at 8:08 PM
I guess people just preferred to watch Moonlight, their first week was solid enough to makes you want to watch more.
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sorrynotsorry
August 30, 2016 at 8:18 PM
Pre-production is no guarantee of success in Korea. The whole purpose of doing that is to get it through the censors and air in China. That is why Korea started doing this. In that sense, the drama already made big bucks off of China. However, like any other drama it can be hit or miss in their own country.
In hindsight, I now realize that Beautiful Mind got thrown under the bus so that station could get their drama on one week early. It apparently had a lot of goodwill in Korea and they got a week head start. I think this is why SH wisely decided to show 2 episodes the same night; they saw the ratings their competition got and they were really good for being the same week as the last week of Doctors. So they knew....It wasn't like people didn't like the first episode; they didn't even try it. (I mean I gotta give the strategy some credit.)
Anyway, this is my take. I am not going to look at ratings or any of that at this juncture but rather enjoy both dramas. I think the first episode of SH was ok; it is a confusing situation and I actually didn't think the starting episodes of the C-drama were that great. The 2nd episode really got me and the 3rd was fantastic.
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snifs
August 31, 2016 at 2:39 AM
@sorrynotsorry , I second you.
I am also will not be influenced by ratings or whatnot - I watched yesterday all 3 episodes in one go (2nd and 3rd RAW) and I was totally blown away !!!! The screen presence and emotional range in acting of Lee Joon-Gi is amazing! Although there are plenty of beautiful princes and interesting characters in the mix, for me, everyone pales in comparison with the very complex, strong & vulnerable character of Wang So by LJG.
I should say that, in general, I am not sageuk person. I find them too complicated and too confusing to follow. Also often too depressing as the real life centuries ago and history is not rainbows & ponies... However if there are gripping character developments I am ready to invest my time in segeuk. I saw 80% of Emperss Ki and Six Flying Dragons is still on my 'to watch' list. So, even with such mindset first 3 episodes of SH hooked me - I am looking forward of "journey" of Wang So character... There were so much blood (probably cinematographic one?) and killing and cruelty but at the same time during the scenes at the pool and with WS mother Lee Joon-Gi gave such performance of raw vulnerability and longing to be loved! It breaks my heart - can you imagine feeling of being disfigured, abandoned and ignored by own mother?
On another point. during the previous threads I was among hose persons who expressed worries about how much weight LJG lost for SH. I found the demands of the production to loose weight ridiculous and unnecessary ( especially, if that is only for aesthetic reasons). However, after seeing the episodes I understand the reasoning... Wang So is supposed to be younger than Wang Yo and Wang Moo. But LJG is 34 and Hong Jong-Hyun is 26. Kang Ha-Neul is also 26. I haven't yet figured out his characters age in the drama... So taking this into consideration, the producers had some difficulties to deal with this issue. So I understand the need to make LJG look younger. Besides, WS is not a normal prince who leads idle and careless life in palace - being more skinnier (less fed?) is fitting with the character. So, in conclusion, I see all reasoning behind such drastic measures and I am in admiration for LJG for his dedication to the role and difficulties he is ready to take on in order to portray it as best as he can!
Just as final comment - I have no prior knowledge of the the source material and Chinese drama. So, I am going into watching SH with no expectation (except my admiration for the mesmerizing beauty of LJG) and as a blank page. Perhaps, it helps? I do not find so many things that irritates me and things to complain... Ok, there were the stupidity of Hae Su going into woods but that is topical drama plot device. To expect that there will be no such in drama perhaps is asking too much :)
I want to talk and talk about all the emotions which SH brought to me but I will stop here... :(
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anastassia
August 31, 2016 at 5:07 AM
The girl main lead is never the same. She was smart and fast. Intact and have so many knowledge. Unline IU and her acting.
Anks
August 31, 2016 at 10:17 AM
I completely agree with your review. And I'm loving SH so far. The cinematography is amazing and I'm definitely loving Wang Yo - Hae Su - Wang Wook trio. However, LJG stole the show.
@sorrynotsorry As you said "The screen presence and emotional range in acting of Lee Joon-Gi is amazing! Although there are plenty of beautiful princes and interesting characters in the mix, for me, everyone pales in comparison with the very complex, strong & vulnerable character of Wang So by LJG."
He is just so charismatic!!! I can't take my eyes off him whenever he is on screen. From his dialogue delivery, his stance, to his micro expressions everything is just fantastic. I wasn't much of a LJG fan before, but now i am one; just after 2 episodes of SH.
It's going to be really hard to wait for the new episodes each week. Now i'm kinda regretting my decision to watch it while it's still running and not binge watching. Its gonna be a long wait. ??
Sancheezy
August 30, 2016 at 3:15 PM
I don't think SC premier is low in rating, they maybe the last but not that bad,
it's actually a good start but the amount of unsatisfied viewer with better drama in the same time slot can be a tough battle,
almost good drama premiere in 7-9% and good follow-up can increase the rating,
what important is the rating for ep 3 since they have 2 pilot and kinda established their plot line
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endo
August 30, 2016 at 3:32 PM
MLSHR's ratings improved by ep2. I'm not sure about the 3rd one though.
But yes. The ratings are quite good considering the rival shows are ahead of airing. Meaning they have viewers already
And also, since when did ratings became the concern of international fans? It's been going on with forums lately.
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Rin90
August 30, 2016 at 3:42 PM
2016.08.30 Ratings #LoveInTheMoonlight 16.4% (+0.4)
#Monster 10.8% (+0.8)
#MoonLovers 7.0% (-2.3)
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Sancheezy
August 30, 2016 at 3:54 PM
I just checked it too,
I find it more shocking that they loose viewer than the other drama improvement,
ep 2 didn't do much and they actually can packed ep 1 and half ep 2 in the same episode for a better impact,
but what's done is done,
at least they can only go up from here,
stuffed
August 30, 2016 at 5:45 PM
I think I understand why the ratings dropped for the 3rd episode. I screamed in frustration a few times. Not sure if it's just me.
But Junki's performance remains good as expected. The rest of the princes..hm.. somewhat mediocre to me. Hope they'll continue to improve
Belle
August 30, 2016 at 4:12 PM
With regards to the lots recent ratings talks, i think maybe it's because of the hype of these pre-produced dramas? Though it cant be heloed, these are bug budget productions so of course the network will go all out. Though sometimes it feels like people are just raring for these dramas to fail? I remember all the talk abt DotS probably not living up to expectations.. but then people(k-viewers) were hooked by the 1st ep so that really did well.
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Lin_K
August 30, 2016 at 5:08 PM
LJK is amazingly good. He acts all his scenes well. His character is strong and vulnerable at the same time. IU too is doing good. I already (sorta) watched episode 3, and I'm definitely sticking to this series until the end :) I also loved the action scenes and the scene where HS and WE were fighting.
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6 Brina
August 30, 2016 at 2:36 PM
Someone needs to say it. And I know EXO fans are going to come after me (tho I love EXO myself), Baekhyun is really bad at this. Maybe he can improve with more acting classes or something, but don't put idols on dramas just because they're cute...
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 2:49 PM
Yep, he's bad. And I say this as someone who actually thought he was ok in that stupid web drama with his group. He's fine as comic relief, but wildly out of place in a sageuk.
Thankfully the junior princes are minor roles, for now.
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Rose
August 30, 2016 at 11:28 PM
I know, right ?! Oh god it made me cringe so much.... I saw bad acting performance of idol turned actor in my life, but he topped them all...
But I feel that ji-soo too is not at his best in this drama, quite like a fish out of water...
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bips99
August 30, 2016 at 2:51 PM
I don't think its a huge issue overall. this show seems very different from the previous ones.
I am guessing that beyond the 3 main princes, no other prince really matters. All the other are just there to add levity with probably tiny roles and they'll disappear once we hit the main storyline.
So i don't find any of their acting problematic as such. As long as the main players are acting well, its all good.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 2:55 PM
Yeah, this is a 20-episoder, and no kdrama is going to flesh out so many characters in that time.
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Ginny
August 30, 2016 at 3:29 PM
A pity though, since in the original all the princes were important in some way and all were very memorable.
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Still_Yoyo
August 30, 2016 at 7:51 PM
Bad scripting maybe? I mean these boys can act, it most likely is something based on the script that makes them intolerable to watch.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 9:05 PM
Oppa and Kang Ha-neul are holding up beautifully, though - the problem of the younger princes is probably down to a combination of their own acting and the writing just keeping them there as comic relief. They don't work for sageuk.
gem28
August 30, 2016 at 9:56 PM
Don't kill me but even Ji Soo seems to be out of his depth here. Or maybe Lee Jun Ki has his way of overshadowing all else, I don't know. The princes here so far, they seem way too immature and lack that princely aura for me. And Rouxi was never this stupid to run into the forest. She was cautious. I get that they had to show the whole two princes fighting over Hae-Soo scenario but they didn't have to make her into a stupid, stupid girl in order to do that.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 10:10 PM
@Gem - you didn't say anything wrong - this is not Ji-soo's best work.
I can understand if he looks out of his depth because his character is like that next to his older brothers, but it really seems like he isn't getting the sageuk speech/tone thing at all. This is one case where I'm thankful his role is small (for now).
swetu
August 31, 2016 at 12:35 AM
You guys all hit the nail on the head. Turning the younger princes into comedic fillers is one of the thing that is throwing off the rhythm of the show. People were expecting a serious sageuk, instead they have princes "pantsing" each other.
The writer has also written the princes to be ego maniacs, who go around screaming, I am a prince, hear me RAWWRRRRRR. Yes, they were princes and their presence commanded respect. But in the original this was shown/implied and felt by the behaviors of the people around them, not by the princes themselves screaming , "I AM A PRINCE. I AM SPECIAL!!"
Doudou
August 31, 2016 at 3:09 AM
The younger princes are annoyingly goofy.
I blame the scenarist and the director who should correct their acting. It's obvious Ji Soo an Baekhyun's portrayal don't fit a sageuk. Yet we know Ji Soo is a good actor.
And the 9th prince looks like a grown man (the actor is 31) but speak like a child.
We don't need 4 child like characters.
However I am pleased with IU's interpretation. She is doing quite right even if the scenarist made her character looks like stupid.
The Chinese show was about a strong woman, the Korean one seems to be about a stupid little thing. This change of direction is unfortunate.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 31, 2016 at 2:09 PM
@Doudou - I actually liked Ji-soo in his scene with Nam Joo-hyuk in the marketplace - they vibe well, even if this is not Ji-soo's best work. I think Nam Joo-huk's role works for him, though - at least on the expressions front, he seems all right here.
Sancheezy
August 30, 2016 at 3:50 PM
as I remember the prince each has arc with Hae Soo, except for 2nd, 9th, 7th,
almost all that appear in the bath scene + LJK have some arc with her
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Hye Mi
August 30, 2016 at 11:20 PM
That's what I hope for too, but you can never tell with this writer because so far she is one of my main concerns, the risk factor in the success of this show. She sacrifices the first two eps for fan service and awkward bromance (perhaps under some sponsors' pressure and not her fault), but I guess the way she portrays most of the other princes (other than 3rd) as (extremely) childish is to allow for growth and angst later on rather than just sheer comic relief, which means they'll have more screen time. I just hope that in later episodes if they were focused at all their appearance would actually contribute something significant to the plot, rather than just hanging out with one another in a purposeless crowd acting cute and contributing nothing significant to the flow of the story.
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lemondoodle
August 30, 2016 at 4:15 PM
Not too sure about that since the other princes have lovelines as well, so they'll get more focus eventually.
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Sancheezy
August 30, 2016 at 3:16 PM
I don't mind it as much as the others since his purpose is only to lifted up the mood, it can be work and can not work but serve little amount of plot development here,
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Daphne
August 30, 2016 at 5:01 PM
Since he's not an actor, I have to agree with the skills part. But I heard in an interview that the character is supposed to be cute, naive, and girl crazy (which I guess they diverged from the original there), so he is supposed to be cute and funny to lighten the tone? So it doesn't bother me as much. But yeah it would have fit more with a drama set in modern times or in a lighter sageuk like Moonlight Drawn by Clouds.
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Tai
August 30, 2016 at 6:22 PM
he;s bad but part of the issue is giving him so much airtime in such a high profile project when he's not been in a drama before. (i dont count the webseries he did with his group since that's obv aimed at fans). It's hard not to think he was cast simply for being in a very popular kpop group. honestly anyone could play his role (and likely better). ah well, i dont hate his character i just wish they'd give him less airtime/lines. hell i'd rather watch nam joo hyuk over him and njh isnt a great actor himself but he's way more natural here.
(and everytime that exo song blares over scenes in the drama i criiiinge. the song is fine itself but its used terribly. much like baek himself)
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Ina
August 31, 2016 at 12:03 AM
Urg..yes he is bad. I know he is supposed to be cute and not so bright but what i got from him was he was 'acting cute' not being cute. I am trying to cut him some slack for being new but with the director's penchant for in your face shots, it's hard not to notice.
And YES! Do they have to make her so dumb? Running into the forest?In the night? Really? It pains me to see that the C-version of the heroine portrayed as a clueless, not so bright bulb here as she was whip-smart, sharp, cautious and with a high EQ. I am just hoping this is a one-off.
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lolalarue
August 31, 2016 at 4:56 AM
It's like the director told Ji Soo to amp up the doofus in order to distract from Baekhyun scenery chewing (the stomp away from Hae Soo/crowd after the 'fight' was cringey).
Can somebody please love and care for So and give him a damn hug.
As much as Hae Soo's stupidity (fighting, chasing after a man holding a sword running after a group of men with swords), I still find many of her antics funny.
I feel like now we're past the stupid (mostly) antics, I'm going to like her more.
I kind of wish 4th and 8th become buddies, but I know it's not going to happen. But they have great chemistry, just like they both have chemistry with Hae Soo.
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7 pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 2:46 PM
Honestly, they really should have ironed out that first episode in the time that pre-production bought. Hae Su's character does feel like she got a few steps skipped, thanks to how things were written and filmed (and to some degree, acted - though I like IU in the role, and like her even more this ep despite Su's idiocy). It sucks to be right about how this would be received, though.
Also, I am now really into both ships, Su/4th prince, and also Su/8th prince (polygamy was a reality in Goryeo, I can deal). Both Leads Syndrome, ahoy!
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fab
August 30, 2016 at 2:55 PM
8th-Wook is great, but no, his wife is such a sweetheart. And ill. And Su's cousin!
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 2:57 PM
I mean, we've got a story where our hero is going to marry his own (biological) half-sister, I think Wook's marriage can't even get close to the 'wtf!' of that.
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fab
August 30, 2016 at 3:24 PM
WHAT? NO! Knowingly?? I'm not thát into the story yet to just ship them. I think.
Edit: so I just finished reading the recap and OMOMOOOO. He knows, we know, everyone knows who Yeonwha is! I hope they won't take over thát part of history T___T
About So's mother, she didn't care much for him in the past either when she stabbed. She was only using him to win over the King's heart, the only difference now is that he's no longer useful. COLD. No wonder he went on to marry...her...T___T
By the way, does So have any full sibling?
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Saph
August 30, 2016 at 3:46 PM
biologically, So has the 3rd and 14th princes as full siblings
junny
August 30, 2016 at 5:46 PM
I just read that historically, Wang So had two consorts - one is the half-sister who became queen, the other is his niece (aka the daughter of Wang Mu).
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lazielizard
August 30, 2016 at 7:06 PM
oy. I don't know how I feel about that. I was going to accept the half-sister thing but then his niece??.. *sigh*
eva
August 31, 2016 at 4:40 AM
*nervous laugh* And here I was thinking that Yeonhwa and So had a weird vibe while she was tending his wound. Omg, the downside of sageuks, you really can't paint some relationships romantic! I'm too brainwashed by modern times!
nchoe
August 30, 2016 at 8:39 PM
Seriously?!!! Incestuous marriage?!!! Ewwwwwwwwww... Was that normal in Georyeo period or what?
Unless there's birth secret about Wang Soo. But then if he's not King's biological son... he has no rightful claim to the throne.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 9:00 PM
The ancient Egyptian royals went one step further and had siblings getting married as a way to secure the throne, so even if I don't like it, I can maybe see where it comes from. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
yoonks
September 1, 2016 at 12:34 PM
Historically, I'm fairly sure Wook's wife is also a half sibling... Although both their mothers were their father's half sisters so maybe that's all they know?
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 3:00 PM
(also, oppa was killing me in that scene with his mother but so is my own curiosity - WHY is his own mother so indifferent/cold to him now? )
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bips99
August 30, 2016 at 3:11 PM
I loved that scene. Like JB said you could track every single expression on LJK's face - hope/rejection/disappointment/hurt/embarrassment ... you could literally see his emotions shifting with every second.
I thought that the mom was thinking about him (when she was in the pool) or about how she scarred him for life. But instead she was thinking about the other prince and how to seize the throne. So i'm guessing she just doesn't care about him because she doesn't think that he actually has any chance to be a king. So he is essentially worthless
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The other Kiara
August 30, 2016 at 4:21 PM
She is grooming the 3rd to be king and Wang-so would be in the way.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 8:00 PM
I supposed #14 doesn't get the same treatment as So because she doesn't see him as a potential threat to #3?
Man, it must be screwed up having a royal parent.
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The other Kiara
August 30, 2016 at 9:06 PM
14 is way in the back according to birth order. He never became king so they can easily follow the novel with him.
The throne was passed down from Taejo to #1 (not sure what happen to #2), #3 and then #4. Wang-so ruled for 26 yrs and the throne was passed down to his first born from there.
They won't mess with the succession order no matter what it says in the novel.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 9:17 PM
@Kiara - I'm really interested in the ways Goryeo history will force this drama to depart from the novel, if it does - though I've never read the novel either.
kaho
August 30, 2016 at 9:44 PM
Welp, I guess this means they'll lose all the tension+plot that came from 14 being the most likely succesor in the original (and c- history)
chocopieb
August 30, 2016 at 11:45 PM
@kiara: i think 2nd prince is the one that died? So prolly wang yo, so and jung's older brother
The other Kiara
August 31, 2016 at 9:30 AM
You are right Chocopie :).
The other Kiara
August 31, 2016 at 9:40 AM
@pogo
I haven't seen this episode yet. I want to sit down this weekend and go through all 3.
I am already disliking this writer from what I've seen so far :(.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 31, 2016 at 2:05 PM
@Kiara - I like it, but that is probably entirely down to a combination of oppa, Kang Haneul, a bit of IU* and pretty shots. But from everything I've heard about the original, it was somewhat unconventional and nothing about Scarlet Heart so far hints at that. /sigh I really hate that Su is such a damsel in distress. And those bloody close-ups!
* I have to give it to her, she absolutely has chemistry with them both even if her own performance is not quite what it should be - or, more disappointingly, what it can be, after the promise she showed in Producers.
Lin_K
August 30, 2016 at 5:17 PM
The mother is just crazy and power-hungry. It breaks my heart how loving she is toward Jung and Yo and yet turns her head away from So. Something is wrong in her head; otherwise, how can someone show partiality to that extent between one's own sons?
LJK acted so well in that scene. He was smiling and happy to go see his mother and all that vanished when he entered the room and saw her expression. She even prevented Jung from getting up to greet his brother. Like, which mother does that?
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mary
August 30, 2016 at 6:39 PM
"She even prevented Jung from getting up to greet his brother. Like, which mother does that?"
The mother I'm gonna assassinate (as soon as I find the nearest hotspring-wormhole to Goryeo).
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endo
August 30, 2016 at 7:07 PM
can you let me know once you found it? i'll help you with your plan...
Still_Yoyo
August 30, 2016 at 7:56 PM
Hoel. Evil queen is rising up the ranks of characters worthy of getting axed.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 8:01 PM
Take me along, yo, I'll supply the knives.
nchoe
August 30, 2016 at 8:43 PM
Count me in. I'll guard you.
deyaa
August 31, 2016 at 1:06 AM
count me in, i will waxed her alive for making our poor so miserable
8 sweetyo0on
August 30, 2016 at 2:58 PM
I don't know if this was explained and I just missed it, but I don't get So's situation. Why is he held "hostage"? Why was he sent to be adopted to a different family? Is his adoptive family also part of the royal family?
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bips99
August 30, 2016 at 3:06 PM
No, its a different household. They are warring factions. And he stays there as 'insurance' that they won't be attacked by their more powerful neighbour as the neighbour's son is living with them. And since no one gives a damn about WS, those people treated him like crap and had him (apparently) fight wolves for sport
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sweetyo0on
August 30, 2016 at 4:07 PM
But why him? Why him out of all the royal sons?
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Lin_K
August 30, 2016 at 5:20 PM
Because his own mother doesn't care about him. That's why.
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ilchul
August 30, 2016 at 5:45 PM
because they (his mother and father) were the cause of his scarred eye and they didn't want him to stay in the pallace after that incident since the rumors won't stop and no one will accept a prince with a scar on his face, his parents included as if they weren't the cause of the scar to begin with!! I hate them for what they did to their own child!!!
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Still_Yoyo
August 30, 2016 at 7:58 PM
Seems to me like in the goryeo days, people handled guilty feelings differently.
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nchoe
August 30, 2016 at 8:47 PM
He's no more than a broken toy to the Queen.
Beauty and look matters a lot in Georyeo period. WS's scar is a disgrace... and because of that he's considered as an outcast and isn't qualify for the throne.
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chocopieb
August 30, 2016 at 11:48 PM
From what i get, it seems like physically damaged people were disregarded in these times. That seems to be the main reason of why pretty much everyone in the kingdom dont like So. Then proceeds to add all these hateful news about him~~
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Charlotte P
August 31, 2016 at 12:52 PM
Actually, his adoptive family is kind of part of the royal family since his adoptive mother is Lady Kang, King Taejo's 22nd consort.
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9 namedx
August 30, 2016 at 2:59 PM
Not had a chance to check this one out yet - looking forward to tuning in tonight! I seriously thought there'd been some mix-up when I read ep1-3 on the sidebar, only to have read that there actually will be 3eps this week. How bizarre!! Thank you for the speedy recaps, Javabeans!
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10 Johann
August 30, 2016 at 3:03 PM
Oh my...finally i can read the recap.
I keep refreshing those sites for the subbed version, but till now theres none.
And here you are, the answer to my prayer.?
i watched ep 3 already though it is still unsubbed.
I am so amazed of my addiction with LJk.
I pray before i sleep,hoping that when i wake up ep 2 will have sub or recap.
And yes!, my prayer was answered.
I dont mind if the director focus too much on actors faces. On my point of view, 1st element of the drama is actually facial expressions of the actors.
I dont understand korean. Watching their facial expressions, looking on their handsome faces is actually heaven.?
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11 Sancheezy
August 30, 2016 at 3:12 PM
- 4th prince is rude, idk why he has to be rude, there's no need for it, a nice facade ala 8th prince can be as scary as it can be than the blood spill,
- the camera movement can be distracting
- the music is too much this time too, it going for too long to give certain forced feeling,
- I still don't understand the important of the future Hae Soo came to the picture, idk why she has to follow the 4th to the forest either beside the dramatic movement, idk her importance in the household and the skit with 10th prince going for too long
I think the biggest giveaway for me is this drama try to make every moment as the dramatic event without building up properly,
I like how LJK arc and his mother issue come to the light but I still hope he gets some companion,
maybe the 8th in this version
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mary
August 30, 2016 at 6:42 PM
Re, point #1, it could be that he was raised and trained by the "wild" clan. 4th Prince didn't learn subtlety like 8th Prince did, living among nobles and palace intrigue.
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Sancheezy
August 30, 2016 at 7:09 PM
probably right, but his scene with Hae Soo in unnecessary rude imo,
it wasn't really about the act of a royal prince but being just a normal people since he also familiar with how hard it is to be ignored,
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eva
August 31, 2016 at 4:57 AM
I think So is pushing his everybody-thinks-I'm-beast-so-I'll-act-like-one-act a tad too much. Still, I like that he's quite the psycho, at least it doesn't feel overly romanticized, apart from hauling Su on his horse mid-ride (that scene was simply lol). He's scary and blood-thirsty with bad temper and he doesn't seem to be that sharp either, rather crazed by hurt.
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Charlotte P
August 31, 2016 at 12:55 PM
Well, it's human psychology. So many people have treated him like a beast, that he just acts like one, even if a part of him wants to be human and morally upright. When he's alone or with his parents, or with those who are consistently kind to him (Mu and Yeonhwa), or even with his brothers, he's more of the shy type.
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eva
August 31, 2016 at 4:47 PM
You're so right about him being awkward and shy around people who are kind to him. He simply doesn't know how to act. That's so endearing and pitiful at the same time.
12 ren
August 30, 2016 at 3:17 PM
Waiting for this episode to be subbed sort of reminded me of the old days where shows wouldn't be subbed for weeks and I was left to rewatch the raw version again and again trying to guess dialogue. I pray to the drama gods that we never return to those good old days because I am way too spoilt by viki and dramafever and the instant gratification they provide.
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PBY
August 30, 2016 at 3:22 PM
The wait for this episode's subs nearly drove me crazy - and it was less than a day. VIU's crazy fast subbing has spoiled me.
So - this will only be available on DramaFever, nowhere else?
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junny
August 30, 2016 at 5:10 PM
I don't know how it is for other dramas/stations, but for Beautiful Mind, VIU's subs were almost identical to KBS' own subtitles, except for certain naming conventions (for example, VIU had "Lee Young-oh as opposed to KBS' Lee Yeongo). So I'm not sure if it's VIU's "crazy fast subbing", or it has some sort of deal with the stations (or KBS at least) to have access to their subtitles. It cannot be a coincidence that the subtitles are almost word for word.
I'm sorry that it's off-topic, but it's bothered me for a while and I didn't know where to raise it.
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eerinmide
August 30, 2016 at 5:46 PM
Hdfree and dramalove.tv have it fully subbed ^-^
We must fight dramafever's thirst for monopoly with their horrible inaccurate subtitles -___-
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nchoe
August 31, 2016 at 3:04 AM
YES INDEED!!!
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13 Chrissy
August 30, 2016 at 3:25 PM
Why is mom such a bitch? His dad is no better. I'm definitely rooting for him. Off with their head!!!!!
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14 Ginny
August 30, 2016 at 3:26 PM
I totally agree with javabeans about the heroine. How could she be so stupid as to walk into the forest where the people were fighting each other?! No self-preservation at all! I really hope they make her smarter from now on because part of the appeal of the original was how smart and adaptable Ruo Xi (the female lead) was. She was able to attract the princes' and the king's attention because of her wit and talent while here she is just a loud, violent and clumsy girl (at least for now). I'm not criticizing IU by the way but only her character. I actually think she's pretty good with the material she's got.
I love Junk Ki who is amazing as usual but I'm not really feeling this adaptation. They are changing way too much from the original and most of it for the worst. While I don't want nor expect a copy of the chinese drama I wish they had kept some of the relationships of the original, which were its greatest strength in my opinion - the friendship between 4th and 13th prince, 8th prince's first wife and her sister, 8th prince and his second wife etc... I don't dislike the drama I just wish it was better, since the first one holds a special place in my heart and I consider it the best chinese drama I've seen.
On a different note is anyone else bothered by the music? I usually like when historical dramas use modern music but for some reason I really don't like the music in this drama.
Anyway, sorry if I seem too critical. I agree that ep. 2 was better than the first so maybe it will continue to improve. I'll definitely keep watching. Thank you for the recaps!
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Sancheezy
August 30, 2016 at 3:47 PM
I agree with a lot of your point,
the music is distracting and
I just hope they keep something from the original, not much but some good essential thing is okay, because it's an adaptation and I even read they choose to be more faithful to the novel which is not exactly what happen here,
as the example,
- the nature of mom's love towards 14th and 4th can be cleared by words here
- the friendship galore, I don't mind anything else as much as the bond between 13th and 4th who has different mom and way apart in age differ than the other prince with the same mom (14th) or closer with age (2nd, 3rd, 8th)
- or just make Hae Soo aware of the history ,
the things that intrigued about BBJX is how each prince describe by Ruoxi historical information, it builds up some expectation than a grandiose shot,
at least KHN somehow give the old feels back
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endo
August 30, 2016 at 5:39 PM
I'm not quite following why should Haesoo being historically aware be helpful in the story. I think it will be quite unrealistic that she knows everything and can enumerate all the kings.
Believe me not all people knows their history to a T. Unless of course you're historian.
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Sancheezy
August 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM
it's not a big historical thing,
it's kinda like the most famous one,
Like we knew Seon Deok would be the Queen because of a drama, of Wang So is the king in shine and go crazy,
I just hope she knew perfectly who gonna be the king and that particular era famous for having ton of bloodshed between the brothers and only a few remain until the end,
with knowing the future, she can reassure herself not to changed the history while ensures her safety,
her opinion can't be taken wrong by the winning party so she wouldn't get dragged to the political scheme since she arrived as people from the 8th princes' house,
in the kingdom era, when your head of the house get accused of a bad thing like treason , all of the people that work for him got banned and most often ended up dead,
this raised the stake of her credibility,
- will she use her information to make some prince changed their mind about the throne and let them aware or she just stayed silent while knowing that if she stayed in the 8th house, her future is determined to be miserable?
- will her appearance with the knowledge in that era change the history for the better?
- will she help some prince to become a king because she is sure about it
who knew??
that's the stake of the important information of who is the king that I hope she had,
she doesn't need to be historically accurate but the fact that she knew who gonna be the king is what make this story special in the original and I hope they at least make her knew something of it,
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endo
August 30, 2016 at 6:37 PM
If you're talking about key people in history i think i got your point. But, is Taejo of Goryeo popular in korean culture?
I've been to Seoul and i saw King Sejong's Statue. And from what i observed, Korea is kind of Joseon and Silla-centric.
The other Kiara
August 30, 2016 at 6:52 PM
King Taejo is a big deal in Korean history. He unified the entire Korean peninsula under Goryeo.
There is a 200 episode sageuk based on his life with ratings over 60%.
endo
August 30, 2016 at 7:09 PM
Thank you The other Kiara, this is the first time i've heard of King Taejo considering i watched a good amount of sageuk. Lol.
Sancheezy
August 30, 2016 at 7:23 PM
@endo
I assumed it quite a famous era since king Taejo of Goryeo is the founder of the Goryeo Dynasty and the modern name of "Korea" is derived from the name "Goryeo,"
I think it has a popular drama too,
and I remember that Gwangjong/Wang So is the 1st one to have established era after their father and the two of his brother didn't last long in the throne,
beside we have shine and go crazy last year!!
also having a heroine that at least know one future information is not a big harm after all
The other Kiara
August 30, 2016 at 8:19 PM
I watched the whole 200 eos lol. I can totally understand why the older generations aren't interested in this drama. This is not their type of sageuk for many reasons.
I don't think they are Shilla centric, I think they are most proud of Goguryeo when it comes to the 3 kingdom era. The greatest conqueror in the history of Korea was King Gwanggaeto the Great of Goguryeo. He is just as much of a national hero as King Sejong the Great. They are the only two kings in Korea's history to be honored with the title "Great King".
The other Kiara
August 30, 2016 at 8:20 PM
* 200 episodes*
Blossom
August 30, 2016 at 8:52 PM
I totally get what you are saying.
In the original story, Ruoxi was aware of history and it played an important key role in her decision makings. For example, she left 8th Prince because he wouldn't give up on the throne (which led to his tragic downfall in history) etc.
I knew they weren't going to aim for a similar vibe as the original, because they had to adapt the setting to Goryeo. But I wished they could have kept some more elements of the original story. Such as the brotherhood between the different "camps" (4th-13th VS 8th-14-th-9th-10th), the heartbreaking love stories between the men and the women (8th and his first wife Minghui, 13th Prince and Luwu, 9th Prince and Yutan etc.). I loved the fact that Ruoxi was a very clever girl, too clever sometimes.. she knew too well what was going on, which is why she made it so difficult for herself as she was unable to ignore 8th's camp's sufferings and the humiliations they had to cope with. I really hope Hae-soo becomes smarter than how she is now.
Also, the reason why Bu Bu Jing Xin's "Prince fanbase" became such a buzz was because all the princes were so distinctive and individually unique. 4th Prince was cold, reserved and calm. 8th Prince was gentle, virtuous yet cunning. 13th Prince was loyal and warm - the best BFF. 14th Prince was proud and courageous. And so on. Even though each have their own personality, they were all still very "Prince-alike". You know.. that royal aura. Whereas in the K-version.. I just don't get that vibe. I can't differentiate the princes. And most importantly.. they don't look like princes. I'm especially disappointed with the characterization of 14th Prince. He seems like a clueless kid in here. Well.. in fact, they all seem like kids who are going to run back home when Mommy calls for diner.
Nayour
August 30, 2016 at 11:03 PM
I don't know if it was misleading but I saw a trailer for the show and it did show IU slowly grasping the scenario and understanding that she could prevent the tragedies from happening. But I'm not sure if this meant that she has a clue about what would happen or she's just gonna go about trying to persuade everyone to give up their ambitions. Let's hope it's not the later.
As for the alliances, since the show is starting off with all the princes (save 4th) being all buddy-buddy and not very politically ambitious (except 3rd), I'm expecting that they'll show us the formation of those alliances and shifts in loyalties, as the show progresses into a more darker tone and the political struggle for the crown takes centre stage. I think this would be more intriguing as well, also it would align with the production team's choice in using a younger cast than the ori, so us viewers can see their transitions from young, bright and unscathed princes, to something more mature as they all face their own conflicts, be it internal or external.
oysteinsevag
August 30, 2016 at 6:35 PM
I have to say, in reading everything, the music is taking a lot of heat online. But I like it.
While I am not a huge fan of the songs, I am enjoying the instrumental compositions. As a HUGE fan of movie scores and soundtracks-they are probably the only music I listen to regularly-I think that this score is really engaging and interesting.
It's like they locked Daft Punk and Yo Yo Ma in a basement and said "Have Fun!". Together they have introduced Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon to Tron. For me this music fits with the Historical meets Hidden Future Heroine narrative that seems to be threading through the story. It has enough spunk and enough traditional notes to make it work.
I know I am an outlier but anything that takes something traditional and plays with it is something I can get behind. On a side note if anyone knows where I could find the score or composer I think I would like to check it out.
What I see at fault is not so much the music itself but rather the editing and cutting of the scenes combined with the music. There are times when it flows seamlessly and then they will cut the scene and the score in and out which is a nuisance because it does not continue the narrative thread.
On that note the big issue I see as a whole for the show is the editing. I look at Soo when she is running into the forest and while we, the audience, knows that she is running into a fight zone, the way it is edited showed her following So. But, because we have been following So following the assassins we, the audience, know she is walking into trouble. The editor only used one scene to show Soo spotting So before having her run off after him while showing us So following the assassins and providing us with the "danger" narrative it does not provide Soo with the same information through the cuts of So in the streets and woods.
Finally, I see Soo as curious and very ignorant of the times, but not stupid. Coming from the modern world she is so removed from violence that she was surprised just by the celebrations in the street when people where chasing each other with swords and play fighting. I know if I were transported in time 1000+ years and I saw people running after each other with swords after I had just seen people doing it I might think perhaps people are acting/performing a ritual as well. It is a completely unfamiliar environment. Add these scenes together and you get a somewhat reasonable narrative for why she chases after So upon seeing him.
For me on the whole bad editing choices makes Soo look more naïve than think the character generally has been presented to be, and the music more inconsistent than it should be given the interesting combination of the modern meets traditional score.
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rei
August 30, 2016 at 7:05 PM
I am a fan of fitting scores, too. :) I could listen all day to instrumentals of movies and drama I like. The C-drama did great in this aspect. Now on to MLSHR:
"What I see at fault is not so much the music itself but rather the editing and cutting of the scenes combined with the music. There are times when it flows seamlessly and then they will cut the scene and the score in and out which is a nuisance because it does not continue the narrative thread.
On that note the big issue I see as a whole for the show is the editing."
+1
I used to make music videos using clips of my favorite dramas on YouTube and the editing makes all the difference.
When the shooting is done, and even if we say the camera angles, etc. are done to perfection; post-production could still ruin things.
Selecting the shot or frame to show, selecting the right score, knowing when to insert music, knowing when to amplify or tone down the colors.
Viewers most of the time just take note of the script/writer, actors, director.
It should be Script, Acting, Directing, and Editing.
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rei
August 30, 2016 at 7:06 PM
The editing gets better on the third episode, in comparison to the first two episodes. :)
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Ina
August 31, 2016 at 1:26 AM
I think the music on it's own is fantastic..but my peeve is with the music director in the way he chooses to insert the music in the scenes. The MD usually works very closely with the producer, director and editors in post pro. So an experienced MD should be able to determine the type of music to use in what scenes. This MD however chooses to insert Dramatic Scores to underscore moments which should be left alone or contemporary music(songs) in moments that don't fit the mood, the MD is employing the 'hit you over the head' kinda strategy to score the drama and is contributing to the cheese that's present in the last 2 eps. This is a problem as it breaks the audience's focus instead of elevating it. I was watching the show with a couple of my peers in the music industry and we were all laughing at the over dramatic scores used on moments which otherwise would have been more effective if a more quiet score or even silence is used. I am sorry for the ranting but music, when not appropriately used really gets to me. Subtlety is not this team's forte I think.
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Nutini
August 31, 2016 at 5:00 AM
I think most of heroines become loud, clumsy violent girls in Korean adaptations
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15 endo
August 30, 2016 at 3:27 PM
My heart breaks for So while i watch him with his evil mom and brothers.
Liking this episode so much. And that performance on the ritual was awesome.
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16 FreeCats
August 30, 2016 at 3:28 PM
Dude. Duuudee. That scene of 4th prince with his mom, where she's disdainfully putting him down and you can barely, barely see Lee Jun Ki's lower lip trembling at the corners, THAT'S how you do acting. I'm also amazed at how his cold, sneering face was able to turn into wide eyed vulnerability once his mask was off in the bath scene. Lee Jun Ki is sooo good. I've never watched anything he's been in before but now I'm turning into an oppa-oppa chanting LJK fangirl.
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Barbrey
August 30, 2016 at 4:25 PM
He is good but I can't help compare him to Jang Hyuk who plays the same role in Shine or Go Crazy. Maybe because I saw that drama first, and really felt for that Wang So character, this scene with a rejecting mother didn't have the same dramatic effect for me. Still very good.
I'm so glad Li Jun Ki is in this drama - the rest of them seem so "light", even the villainous one, in comparison, and not totally real to me. I've never loved Li Jun Ki's looks, he's just okay to me, so he almost seems odd man out for me too, and I like him all the better for it.
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atz
August 31, 2016 at 12:07 AM
I am not a fan of Jang Hyuk because he tends to overact sometimes, in particular his loud sarcastic laugh. I find Li JunKi really nailed his expression.
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PakalanaPikake
September 2, 2016 at 12:35 AM
Hi, atz...
Did you watch BEAUTIFUL MIND? There is absolutely no trace of Lee Gun's laugh in the show. In fact, it is one of the most self-contained performances I've seen by him... His eyes speak volumes, as they did in FIVE SENSES OF EROS.
As with LJG, I love him in sageuks because he does his own stunts... and submerges himself in the character.
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Metebelis3
August 30, 2016 at 4:44 PM
Thank you so much for mentioning this! I wasn't too sold on the character after the first episode (it's the first time I see LJK in anything too) but that scene with his mother sold it for me. I honestly almost gasped when I noticed his lips trembling - as you said, that's EXACTLY how acting should be done.
My two favourite scenes were that one and the one at the bath - the shock when he realises she's there, the vulnerability...admirably done!
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nchoe
August 31, 2016 at 3:17 AM
YES YES YES.... OMO... I noticed his trembling corner lips too..
I was so amazed by that scene that I keep replaying it. I just can't believe what I saw. It's so subtle and natural. He made it like it's out of control.
It reminds me of myself whenever I'm so upset. My corner lip would tremble a bit. I always try to hide it but it's hard, I just can't control it.
Well done Lee Joong Ki. I didn't understand why everyone was so excited when he's going to join this drama. But now I got it.
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nchoe
August 31, 2016 at 3:24 AM
And because of his trembling corner lips scene, I was feeling thankful for that overdone close-up shots for the first time.
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17 FreeCats
August 30, 2016 at 3:33 PM
Also, one more thing that drove me nuts: Hae Soo knows her cousin is ill, and she and her husband have been nothing but kind to her. She knows she doesn't belong in that place, but here she goes beating up people and yelling and screaming, instead of just keeping her head down and blending in. Even in modern times most people know that's just plain bad behavior. I was hoping she'd be smarter than that.
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youcallitwinter
August 30, 2016 at 3:55 PM
Honestly, I think less than lack of smarts, it's mostly that she hasn't adjusted to the situation or understood the whole idea of royal status, which is understandable imo. I would imagine she'd, especially in her anger, would view the situation as the equivalent of a high school boy spying on the girls' changing room or something and confronts him in the same manner (especially when you think that Ha Jin is probably older than them.) Like she knows they're princes, sure, but I'm not sure she truly gets the idea of consequences till that talk with her cousin. I found it v. realistic that she realizes at that moment that her actions have consequences because she kind of feels like she's in a dream world, which isn't really reality per se or as she knows it, and is treating it as such. That's what came across for me, that her headiness has something to do with how she's sort of convinced she's invincible. And that's what changes when she sees those men getting killed and gets captured herself and has a sword to her throat and realizes "I'll really die," as if it's something she hadn't realized till now.
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Barbrey
August 30, 2016 at 4:54 PM
Nice post Zoe. Hadn't really thought about it, but this makes sense.
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kaho
August 30, 2016 at 9:54 PM
Exceptttttt....do most girls get into physical fights with peeping boys after they don't get an apology?
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atz
August 31, 2016 at 12:11 AM
The answer is No. She is silly.
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youcallitwinter
August 31, 2016 at 5:38 AM
K-drama heroines do all the time though, it's hardly anything new. I mean there's either that or let it go, and he hit her first, he pushed her and she fell. Besides, she clearly is treating him like a young boy because she's actually much older, and we've all seen how older people treat the errant younger ones in dramas.
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Charlotte P
August 31, 2016 at 1:01 PM
In a culture where girls are expected to pass off those kind of immature male antics, her reaction is rather refreshing. Many Korean girls can't do that for fear of retaliation from society, which is why Korean girl characters do it on TV to displace that female frustration. Just see it as a feminist plot device, that's all.
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Nutini
August 31, 2016 at 5:10 AM
Idk, if you are suddenly in different era and have no idea what is going on you probably be very careful, unless you are very uneducated you would know royal people can't be touched and how easy it is to literally loose the head in Goryo, when people fought every day and taking life was nothing, I am sure if anything like that happened any more or less wise person would keep quiet and would not be so stupid as apply modern rules to people's behavior, but in dramaland you have to be loud and go hit someone in you rightful rage to be noticed by main lead
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eva
August 31, 2016 at 5:41 AM
@Zoe
My thoughts exactly. She IS acting silly and would be even in modern times, but I think it's due to the fact that she hasn't realized her situation yet and she is under a lot of stress, mind you.
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gem28
August 30, 2016 at 10:21 PM
Rouxi was the same sort of brat at first. But she didn't butt heads with the princes, she became good friends with them very soon. Also, she was well aware of the History so she was cautious, learned fast and she knew she was headed to Forbidden City to become one of the ladies in waiting so she had no choice but to adjust as fast as she can. Maybe Qing dynasty did offer more interesting arc for the heroine compared to Goryeo which is the problem here. Also, it was Mingyu she had issues with but even that got sorted out towards the end as they grew up, both Rouxi and Mingyu. As for the 8th prince and her story progression, subtly played a key factor and it was a natural progression but here to cram it in 20 episodes, they are rushing it but it isn't working so well for me.
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rei
August 31, 2016 at 12:04 AM
Yeah. She butt her head with Mingyu's.
And then both of them spinning on the little bridge and fell on the "pond".
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youcallitwinter
August 31, 2016 at 5:44 AM
I haven't seen that drama, so even if it was much better in all aspects, it wouldn't affect my viewing of this drama. Hae Soo's character has no subtlety yet in writing, but I enjoy watching her, and I'm fairly sure there's lots of development in store, so I don't mind. I have lots of information about that drama, as there are lots of comparisons being made, but I'm just taking this as a drama on its own. It was the same with Cheese In The Trap, where there was a lot of insistence that the show was wildly veering from the original source material, and it made the fans mad, but I'd never read it, so I thoroughly enjoyed the show. I've never seen a sageuk before, and I've never watched the original adaptation, so this drama as it is (apart from the general irritants which I hope they work on) works for me.
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18 p3rk3le
August 30, 2016 at 3:34 PM
I have more thoughts, I swear, but... Junki in that pool!!!!
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19 Sethemonfire
August 30, 2016 at 3:34 PM
Wang So reminds me of Bidam, I just want someone to give him a hug.
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Sancheezy
August 30, 2016 at 3:57 PM
good old bidam just need someone that acknowledge him like deokman,
they almost give the same aura or the same back story, but bidam is not that rude and actually funny, in the other hand, Wang So actually more successful than Bidam at his game of throne,
(that hug at ep 50 still my favourite )
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Rose
August 30, 2016 at 11:36 PM
Bidam !!!!! He will forever be my favorite male character !!!
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nchoe
August 31, 2016 at 3:22 AM
Yes... exactly my thought. The first time I saw Wang So in his black attire, Bidam came across my head.
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eva
August 31, 2016 at 5:27 AM
I'm also getting some weird Bidam feels, heh. Though, with Bidam the question was always if he's able to resist his dark side, with Wang So it seems that he's just filling in what's expected of him and his actual motives are unclear. I don't see him really enjoying his violent acts, he sort of lashes out mindlessly. With Wang So I can really see how an act of kindness can work wonders, a simple "I accept you as you are" would melt him in nanoseconds. Bidam was murkier, Dokman prompted him to change, but he was never sure if he can win himself. He never fully escaped feeling superior to others.
But, damn, how his ship went down beautifully. EPIC. *sigh*
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20 Rinz
August 30, 2016 at 3:39 PM
The rating drop again and im shocked after doctors successfull rating but the viewer change their channel from sbs to kbs .
All preproduced drama, except dots.. hmm.
I remember someone commented abt doctors b4, they cant wait ths drama end cz they want to watched scarlet heart. And im so hurt (cz im doctos fans. lol) but i wish lee jong gi and kang ha neul gt higher rating.
, doctors and bM also same genre and knetz choice not so important after all. Even moon drawn the clouds gt their best rating (i love park bo gum too) , and knetz gt so many conplaint abt scarlet heart's actor and actresses, but inetz are into ths drama (we dont know abt modern and historical accent btw)
I love kang ha neul prince. Heol. He is so charming! In ep 1 whn they zooming kang ha neul i like --> *faint! But wait i need to watch his face. But faint again*
IU acting is not tht bad. I love her blank expression and clumsiness. But didnt she stressed abt, my gadget... smartphone! Internet! LOL. if i was her, i probbly not doing tht well....
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Sinjuma
August 30, 2016 at 4:34 PM
I share you sentiment Rinz!
I thought IU have portray a certain degree of vulnerability yet at the same time she has asserted her own principles. I note that this is a lovely contrast to her Chinese counterpart (my bad for comparing both shows again!)
I have initially watched this show because of Lee Jun-Ki but after watching the first two episodes I am convinced that I like Kang Haneul now. I mean, how can I not fall in love with this obsolete breed of mankind? And I will continue to love him even when his desires for IU and the throne take a nasty turn. Oh man, I love a man who loves hard.
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21 PBY
August 30, 2016 at 3:40 PM
I think I'm going to dread the wait for new episodes each week. I also have a feeling I won't be productive as much on Mondays and Tuesdays for the foreseeable future.
I blame both Lee Jun Ki and Kang Ha Neul.
As far as I'm concerned, those extreme close-ups are a godsend.
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PBY
August 30, 2016 at 3:49 PM
Also - if this show ends up like Splish Splash Love (with IU going back to her timeline and meeting a LJK lookalike, LJK becoming king and remaining in the past, married to his half-sister), I'm going to be kinda pissed. While that ending worked for a much shorter drama, here we're much more invested in the characters.
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Lin_K
August 30, 2016 at 5:34 PM
I don't want her to end up with a lookalike either. I want her with Wang So!!
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Nayour
August 30, 2016 at 9:40 PM
Actually I am totally expecting that ending cause I can't imagine an alternative that would be more "historically accurate" or so to say. Also I can't imagine that the writers will allow an ending where Hae Soo/Ha Jin is not able to go back to "the time she belongs". It's just like very expected of these time travelling dramas no?
I'm just here to enjoy the process, while casually getting my heart broken a few dozen times....
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Nutini
August 31, 2016 at 7:05 AM
(Spoileeerr)
Checked on Wikipedia and in a book on which Chinese series was based, she dies and never comes back, they probably knew people would be too angry with such ending so added her traveling back to her time in drama.
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Nayour
August 31, 2016 at 8:09 AM
**potential spoiler**
Yeah I watched the Chinese drama and she did end up going back to her time and meeting a lookalike. I think most likely the Ryeo version will follow that narrative as it seems most logical (in dramaland terms, of course).
endo
August 30, 2016 at 4:00 PM
As for me. I think i'm gonna be excited on mondays for a while. lol.
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eva
August 31, 2016 at 5:45 AM
Heh, same here. Both Moon Lovers and Moonlight have made Mondays something to look forward to. I just realized that I have been reading comments and commenting for over two hours now(?!)
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22 Napkiin
August 30, 2016 at 3:58 PM
Lee Jun Ki is the king of sageuk... I really hope the ratings climb up, LJK definitely deserves a hit drama since his acting is so good!! I don't understand why the ratings isn't climbing when the plot and actors are great
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dai
August 30, 2016 at 8:08 PM
Lee Jun Ki is king of sageuk
Kim Yoo Jung is princess of sageuk
who are the prince and queen of sageuk?
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Nayour
August 30, 2016 at 9:47 PM
Honestly, I didn't expect Scarlet Heart Ryeo to be like a big hit but I did at least expect them to do decently in the ratings department based on the casts' profile alone. I mean the last hugely hyped, big budget drama with like a ginormous cast of beautiful people and top stars galore (*cough* Heirs) did well in the ratings, despite having one of the shittiest plots ever. Scarlet Heart Ryeo at least has a very interesting premise and tons of potential going on.
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Rose
August 30, 2016 at 11:53 PM
I dont think the production even care about the ratings now that they have sold 400 000$/episode at youku(chinese yt) and gained 100 000 000 views overnight in china for the last episode!!! They have already won the lottery...
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maryl
August 31, 2016 at 5:48 AM
huge bucks and criticism, it can be a long way when people said that you don't need to watch BBJX Ryeo.to compare to the original.cause it is nothing like it and actually isn't good, save your time cause this is another typical saeguk with damsel in distress
i don't agree that money define quality, they may get the huge buck but the tainted drama also forever remembered
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Nayour
August 31, 2016 at 8:13 AM
Not the investors surely as they've most likely gotten all their money back. But for the actors and the creative team, not getting recognition domestically still hurts, also it would affect their credibility in the future.
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23 youcallitwinter
August 30, 2016 at 4:12 PM
CAN WE PLEASE EASE UP ON THE CLOSE-UPS, KTHX. Honestly, if they just panned back and allowed more than one face on-screen at a time, this drama would be so good. It's just so distracting to have a scene like the one with So and Su on his horse because it's so badly shot and edited, even though they actually have great chemistry in their scenes. javabeans actually chose good caps for the recaps, not the crazy, zoomed-in ones. Why can't they maintain the work they did for the ritual scene, which was fairly breathtaking.
Lee Junki is really making me feel for his character. I had never imagined it, honestly, because the last time I saw him was actually in My Girl, so... but his micro-expressions are so intense and on-point; especially in the scene with his mother, and then when he thinks Hae Soo has seen his maskless face. The trembling of his lip or the way he tried to keep a straight face with his mother was beautifully done and extremely sad. And watching him with that fire torch having fought the wolves was awful. I find the 8th prince equally interesting because he's so unreadable. There's an undercurrent of...something there. Especially when he refers to Hae Soo, like him saying that he really didn't know anything about her.
As for Hae Soo, I personally think part of her recklessness comes from having essentially cheated death once. I think she's "adjusted" so quickly precisely because she doesn't see her environment as real. It's like she's in a fantasy world and she can make her own rules; beat up a prince, follow a stranger into a dark forest, go into royal baths, etc. I thought this episode was pivotal in making her realize that her actions have consequences. When her cousin reminded her that they would all have to suffer for her actions, and she broke down, realizing that she hadn't even thought of that. Or when she was captured at the end and So easily told the masked man to kill her. I think that was the moment she realized that she could actually die here, and she wants to live instead.
I also like that she asked to be saved because I think it's reasonable. I feel like there's way too much pressure on female characters to save themselves in ways that it shouldn't be possible to unless we know that they have such skills. Like "badass" shouldn't only mean that character who knows mixed martial arts or something and can beat up people bigger than her. I like that she escapes both times by biting the other person than revealing some unexpectedly sophisticated fighting skill. I would much prefer it were Hae Soo to gain soft power through her control over the princes (which would be far more realistic- as much as realism is possible in a time-travel sageuk), than if she just has hard power for no reason at all. I'm very excited about this because I know it spans a long time, and it'll be fascinating to see how the characters change from where they are right now.
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youcallitwinter
August 30, 2016 at 4:34 PM
But elaborating on the adjusting part, I think the reason why it feels that she's adjusted too quickly to the point that it may ring false is precisely because she hasn't adjusted at all. She's made no attempts whatsoever to adjust or keep low or anything, because she doesn't seem to think she'll need to.
I think that's a deliberate narratorial choice because in this very episode she talks multiple times about going back with conviction, as something that can happen, if she wants it to. There's some part of Hae Soo that clearly doesn't see herself as stuck; if she can only get to the bath, she can go back. If she can only find the time-travelling ajusshi, she can go back. Her mother is waiting, so she has to go back. The first thing she does after having beaten Eun up (hilarious both otherwise and for the meta of IU beating up Baekhyun, I would watch just for that), is casually search for a way back, like "oh shit, now I've beaten up a royal prince, so they're probably going to break my arms and legs. Well, time to go back," as if she has that choice.
I think the three moments where she realized it was much more complicated that just that was first, when her cousin talked to her and told her that her actions would result in consequences for all of them. Second, when she came back drenched and shivering and found everyone waiting for her and realized she already was home in a way. And the third, when the masked man held her hostage and she realized that she wasn't invincible, that she could really die right here without ever going back.
I honestly found this narrative interesting because it shows Hae Soo caught in that limbo of not exactly knowing who she is. In that moment when So rhetorically asked her who she was, I absolutely loved IU's expression in the pause before the "Hae Soo", because it was clear that she'd both forgotten, and realized it again. She hasn't started thinking of herself as Hae Soo or as a part of the time (as also showed thorugh her slip about being much older to Chaeryung), she's still Ha Jin to herself. I'd love to see if that ever changes.
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Nat
August 30, 2016 at 5:50 PM
I agree with you about Hae Su's adjusting, you make a some valid points. I think too that the fact that she fell through time into someone else's body takes away like 70% of the 'adjusting' that usually happens in time travel dramas. She doesn't have anything to figure out in terms of how to live, because she already has that. All the adjusting she has to do is in her head in terms of the relationships that she has with those around her. And like you point out, she really hasn't adjusted that way at all yet.
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Lin_K
August 30, 2016 at 5:56 PM
I like your analysis of Hae Su's character. Thanks! One thing that I disliked from Hae Su's behavior is she following Wang So into the forest. It was a very stupid thing to do. But like you said, she probably hadn't realized yet that her actions would have grave consequences in this fantasy world.
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youcallitwinter
August 30, 2016 at 6:45 PM
She probably followed him to return his mother's head ornament thing. And now rewatching that scene, I'm not sure she realized it was a real fight. It's possible that since it was the day of the ritual, she thought it was a kind of performance or practice, and didn't think twice about it. I think that would make sense because she's not familiar with the court intrigue and from the future, so it probably never struck her that there are real villains and actual swordfighting etc. involved in this world.
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nchoe
August 31, 2016 at 3:38 AM
@Zoe She definitely wanted to give that headpiece/accessories back to Wang So. She said that when she's crying in front of Wang Wook (If I'm not mistaken).
@Lin_K She saw Wang So at night, when it's dark, from afar. I don't think she even realized Wang So is holding a bloody sword.
eva
August 31, 2016 at 5:56 AM
@nchoe
"I don’t think she even realized Wang So is holding a bloody sword."
Lol, which makes it even more frustrating for the viewer because you can see it very clearly, and yet, Hae Su goes like: "I think it's THE best time for me to return the hairpin that I HAD to pick up! Wait for meeee!" Seriously, that scene made me laugh so hard.
anastassia
September 4, 2016 at 9:26 PM
Her character aren't suppose to be like that. either the korean version want to make her look bubbly and be damsel in distrell (no originality and the same over again) or maybe IU's potrayal aren't strong enough
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Just_Alee
August 30, 2016 at 4:53 PM
Agree.... I think you explain hae su's behavior perfectly... She acted recklessly because she somehow thinks she's in a dream/fantasy and only then realize the reality. Sadly the super extreme close ups kinda ruining it (and make it like it's the actress' fault for not acting appropriately).
Although the rating is not that good, I still like this drama.. Well, maybe because I dont want to see LJK's sad face... He deserves good rating!! And KHN.... Damn, he is gorgeous... Wook is A bit Suspicious (imo) but also very charismatic.
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24 endo
August 30, 2016 at 4:29 PM
Lee Joon Ki's glare and Kang Ha Neul's smile are my weaknesses. And i feel bad that i have to ship Wook and Su. Their scenes made me swoon.
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lolalarue
August 30, 2016 at 4:59 PM
I feel like Wook (8th) is playing it very cool with Hae Soo at the moment. He seems to be keeping a very straight face when he sees her. Whereas she is acting very affected by his presence. She seems taken with him, but more in the 'sigh what a magnificent man' kind of way, than 'I want you for my own' kind of way. These guys don't seem to have multiple wives (other than the King).
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Barbrey
August 30, 2016 at 5:09 PM
I can't ship Wook and Su, unfortunately, because I know he's married to a wife who loves him and she seems a nice lady. I don't see Su giving him much more that the time of day because we already know she herself was cheated on, and how hurt she was by that. That said, he's everything in a guy (at least on the surface) that could make me swoon. Anyway, it's hard for me personally to watch adulterous relationships because my long term marriage broke up by one. Until you know that hurt, it's very hard to empathize with it to an appropriate degree, and when I once again embarked on the dating scene, I made very sure beforehand that I wouldn't be hurting any other woman like I was hurt by grilling potential boyfriends about their current situations.
I do believe in falling in love, but I also believe you can choose who to fall in love with, and married or taken men should be off the table.
In this situation, if Su falls for Wook, she really has no excuse: she herself has been betrayed, she knows how horribly hurtful that was, and she would know full well she was hurting another woman unbearably. So I basically would stop liking her.
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endo
August 30, 2016 at 5:30 PM
Barbrey,
I'm sorry if i offended you by shipping these two. It's just that, i'm used to watching sageuk/historical dramas. That polygamy is a norm. So i just adapt to the situation. Wook is married and So will wed his half sister (that i can not take). So the options are two taken men.
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Lin_K
August 30, 2016 at 5:40 PM
I'm hoping in this drama So won't marry Yeon Hwa. I want him with HS only!!
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endo
August 30, 2016 at 5:45 PM
Yes. I hope they leave that part of history because it's really wth situation.
The other Kiara
August 30, 2016 at 11:03 PM
Yeon Hwa was Wang-so's queen. There is no way they'll change that in favor of a fictional character that didn't belong in this era.
Barbrey
August 30, 2016 at 9:06 PM
Oh please don't think I was criticizing you at all! I was just explaining my own personal discomfort (and likely the discomfort of many women because adultery of course happens a lot) with this potential relationship. Also, the period does matter. In Shine or Go Crazy, for instance, it wasa definite political marriage with no love lost on either side, so I was rooting for the 'other woman' the whole way. But we've seen this Lady Hae does love her husband, and he has affection for her, so it the political marriage in that time period doesnt have the same weight. I expect too we might find out that Lady Hae's cousin was selected to come visit precisely because she would make a good concubine - gets along with her cousin and can likely bear the children Lady Hae can't. Keep it all in the family. That is the kind of cynical arrangement that was made back then.
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abcde
August 30, 2016 at 10:46 PM
yesss finally found someone with same exact idea as me. I do too find that Hae Soo was brought to the 8th Prince's house as concubine so she could bear him a child and that exactly what Lady Hae wants. At the first the 8th Prince wasn't so sure about it because in Episode 1 he said that he was never so close to Hae Soo. If thats not the reason why would a far relative that is already married called upon a virgin cousin girl?
I think Lady Hae already knew that her time is close so that she need to find a girl within her family so that the prince's descendant would still come from her family and not others
eva
August 31, 2016 at 6:13 AM
I was kind of thinking of the same arrangement, the unexpected attraction is just a bonus, though it still makes me feel bad for Lady Hae. When Wook forgets himself and praises Su in front her along the lines how Su wants to take care of herself and how she feels so different, not wanting something from him like other people - aigoo, that must've hurt! I think Lady Hae cannot escape feeling that she's a burden to her husband. Wook is very kind and attending, but it's obvious he's acting like it mainly because it's his duty, no spark.
lolalarue
August 30, 2016 at 5:43 PM
Yes, it's very different from the original Scarlet Heart where the second wife was the MC's sister and that sister kept trying to push them together (she didn't love her husband). I'm hoping they also don't go this route for the reasons you stated. Hae Soo knows what it's like to be cheated on and this wife loves her husband.
Though it is hard for me because Wook is a beautiful, beautiful man. Bring on more royal bathing please.
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25 lolalarue
August 30, 2016 at 4:56 PM
Whoa! After watching the first two episodes, I am in! Lee Jun Ki is absolutely magnetic, but I do wish he wasn't so alone. I'll try not to compare between the original and the korean version from the next recap on but for now - One of the great things about the original was the factions/friendships between the brothers. The 4th prince had his supporters (13th) while the 8 th had more and the Crown Prince was kind of on his own.
I was kind of hoping that this version would have a different type of ending (that's as spoilery as I'm getting), but given the apparent historical truth I guess we're going with incest.
I'm a bit confused though, original Scarlet Heart used Chinese (Manchurian?) historical figures to weave the story, the Korean version is also using historical figures (but Korean one's instead?). But both histories have similarly numbered princes? How does that work exactly? I'm hoping that this one will take a looooot more license with the 'truth' and give me some happy endings.
I do kind of like that Hae Soo doesn't know her history very well, I certainly wouldn't fair very well if I got thrown back into my own history's past. But would a young Korean person know who these people were? I always thought it was very convenient in the original Scarlet Heart that the MC remembered all those historical details (although I did like the character a lot).
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junny
August 30, 2016 at 5:39 PM
That period in Qing dynasty is pretty well-documented and fairly recent enough that most people would have an idea of how things went down. There were also some conspiracy theories on how the Fourth Prince got his throne. But Goryeo history is so far back that it wouldn't as be surprising if Hae Su didn't really have an inkling.
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Sancheezy
August 30, 2016 at 6:06 PM
Kangxi period is way famous not to be remembered, especially that his grandson, Qianlong emperor also famous,
many story has depiction about the famous game of thrones between brother and how qianlong emperor (the 4th's son) redeemed the effect,
But both histories have similarly numbered princes?>>>>
I don't think they have the same number of princes, they only have the same 4th son who became the king and the prominent 8th prince figure, (still it quite awesome coincidence)
in the Chinese, only one become the emperor but in the Korean history, some elder son actually becomes the king before the 4th and get down because of treason and political struggle,
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lolalarue
August 30, 2016 at 6:21 PM
Ooh, so it probably won't follow the plot of Scarlet Heart but more likely follow the Korean history. That's actually quite awesome, because I have no idea what to expect.
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Sancheezy
August 30, 2016 at 6:33 PM
I suppose it would follow the Korean history with flexibility here and there (like the caution from the opening text) but I also hope they keep some of the essences from the original since they used the same name for the title,
like she knew who is the king, it really can change the story perception, and why we have a time-travel heroine,
the thing is I've seen an article stated that they'll follow the novel which is weird given the three aired episodes,
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26 Barbrey
August 30, 2016 at 5:22 PM
I do hope she knows a little more than what we've seen so far. I seldom watch sajeuksm (and I'm not Korean) but even I know from the few I've seen and liked that Taejo had all those kids, a few of whom became kings after him.
There must be a legendary history for Wang So in particular, because the same events - a rejecting mother, cold father, allusions to "beastliness" of some kind, being sent away, not being trained in martial arts but surprising everyone anyway - were in Shine and Go Crazy. I don't know if it means anything, but the Korean princes in that one were also numbered.
Yeah, the incest. These characters somehow seem far too modern for that to take place, but I don't know how it can be escaped. Maybe if she returns to take back her old body, the character of Wang So can return with her and take over his own lookalike!
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lolalarue
August 30, 2016 at 5:50 PM
I don't think I can get behind the incest but I guess we're not supposed to if our drama's OTP is Wang So and Hae Soo. I do wonder how they're going to make it work and I'm looking forward to that (hopefully shirtless) ride.
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August 30, 2016 at 7:05 PM
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Barbrey
August 30, 2016 at 9:12 PM
No, this is from history. Wang So is an actual former king.
So SPOILER ALERT - from history.
Wang So marries his half-sister (that Princess Yeon Hwa character becomes Queen Daemdok), and also takes a niece later as a concubine.
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August 30, 2016 at 10:00 PM
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27 Statiera
August 30, 2016 at 5:26 PM
Why is Lee Jun Ki such a sad sack in every drama of his I watch? I love him and I just want him to be happy IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK.
If I'm being honest what I really want is a good relationship between the brothers (Yo aside) because from So's entire intro I can tell he needs a family, not necessarily a love interest. I know the set-up is Wook v/s So for Su but HONESTLY just give me some brotherly bonding and we
ll be good as gold.
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28 Ira
August 30, 2016 at 5:33 PM
What?!! The princess is both so's half sis and future wife? Which is ewww....so the vibe that I initially dismissed as my overactive imagination (the princess giving moon eye at so) was right.
Anyway, I like episode 2 better tho I still cringe at the acting of some of the younger princes, especially the 10th prince (I hope I wont be killed by saying this). I find myself spacing out a lil bit each time we deviate from KHN, LJK and veteran actors. I hope things will improve. The cinematography is very pretty tho.
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endo
August 30, 2016 at 5:42 PM
That happened Historically. King Gwangjong married his halfsister Princess Daemuk. We are not sure yet if they will make this happen in this Drama. Coz if not. It will be so easy to ship So and Su..Lol.
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29 Lin_K
August 30, 2016 at 5:46 PM
Wang So having to marry Yeon Hwa is gross but you have to remember that this story takes place more than 1000 years ago. Polygamy and marrying half-sisters or cousins were acceptable during that time period. It happened in many cultures around the world.
I am rooting for the OTP; so, I'm hoping that Wang So won't go through the marriage with YH in this series.
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Lin_K
August 30, 2016 at 5:47 PM
I meant to reply to Ira :)
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lolalarue
August 30, 2016 at 5:51 PM
Let's hope that notice at the start of the drama (something about taking liberty with historical events) is true!
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Lin_K
August 30, 2016 at 6:05 PM
Lol yes!
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Ira
August 30, 2016 at 6:08 PM
Amen to this. Although now I know that this is quite acceptable during this period, I hope we can avoid the marrying half sister thing in this drama. I guess that's the problem with watching sageuk.
Anyway, thanks for the explanations folks. I'll try to trick my brain that she's not his half sister, lol.
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30 randomblah
August 30, 2016 at 6:21 PM
You know life's unfair when LJK with an "guly scar" still makes him one of the prettiest people on earth.
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31 Ladypants
August 30, 2016 at 6:30 PM
LMAO, that So scar reveal reminded me of Hansel's face mask in Zoolander 2, when Zoolander is like, "it's HIDEOOUUUUUSSSSSS, put your mask back on!!!," and it's totally nothing.
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eva
August 31, 2016 at 6:19 AM
Lol, good one!
I so wanted Su go smartypants on him and say: "See what? That scratch?" Wang So might've killed her for real then, though...
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32 LillyLee
August 30, 2016 at 6:58 PM
TY for Help. I am drowning in K-drama backlog and I can't seem to catch up. : O
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33 news
August 30, 2016 at 7:02 PM
I wish this drama was a bit more epic and and grandeur like Damo, better action directed like Six Flying Dragons and more intelligent like Queen Seondeok. It's really unfortunate and frustrating that it's not directed by someone with sageuk experience.
The close-ups or over done (no surprise since it's the same director as That Winter, The Wind Blows), the editing is bad and the music choices are questionable and absolutely KILLS the mood.
Except for Lee Jun-Ki and Kang Ha-Neul's characters, Hae-Soo and the other princes are childish and annoying.
All I can say is, every frame of Lee Jun-Ki is a masterpiece.
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34 loveblossom🌸
August 30, 2016 at 7:07 PM
I enjoyed this episode so much more than the first one! It had a lot of action and emotions for me.
I felt deeply for Su's and So's individual situations this time.
That ending scene was crazy intense. Lee Jun Ki's last line "I don't want to."and his whole facial expression had me squealing. xD
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sweetsour
August 30, 2016 at 7:36 PM
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35 light
August 30, 2016 at 7:17 PM
I don't want someone who throw me off from a horse to be my boyfriend.
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Rosepetal
August 30, 2016 at 10:16 PM
Lol I feel you on this one.
But, on a serious note, I loved how the comments and recap are digesting So's character. I'm not one for violently aggressive male leads who use their painful childhood as an excuse for being violent to our lovely female leads, so I was totally rejecting So. But, after analyzing a bit, you can see very, very clearly in episode 2 the layers of So. Even this throwing from the horse part - So initially grabs Su from falling but then (after some intense eye contact that sets the stage for our lead OTP) he throws her off the horse. You can see how he has a good soul but just a hard exterior as a result of his childhood - but that hard exterior is a second response. I like to believe his first response is who he truly is and his second response is what he is forced to be. This trend carries on with almost every scene of his in episode 2, with his interaction with his mother, his bath scene where Su appears, as well as the ending scene. Even though aggressive So is not my favorite, I'm glad that there is a clear distinction between who he is and what he is forced to be - makes his aggressive attitude toward Su somewhat bearable to me.
Also, side note, I need some major bonding between him and some of his brothers once we fully indulge in the plot.
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IvoryLight
August 31, 2016 at 2:31 AM
It would be nice to see him getting along with at least a few of his brothers before the inevitable angst arrives. I was in full "AWWW" mode when he was smiling at his little brothers antics-you could really feel that he wasn't completely closed off to them at all. Scary Prince just needs a hug goddamnit. I VOLUNTEER TO HUG YOU PRINCE WANG SO!!
More evidence he's not bad to the bone is his respectfulness to Lady Hae..I did like that he's not a rude person to everyone, although given the size of the chip on his shoulder, I totally wouldn't blame him!!
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36 sweetsour
August 30, 2016 at 7:26 PM
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37 sharreb
August 30, 2016 at 7:29 PM
The micro expressions of LJG they hit me harder than anything. He really breathes life into the character of So. 100points for him.
Then they transplanted a pea brain into Su's character. What's up with that. Originally in the novel Rouxi characters: she's impulsive, speaks her mind but she's actually smart, have gd ideas. I don't see that much here. Hoping that will change
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38 Meg
August 30, 2016 at 7:30 PM
I hope the ratings get better because I actually enjoyed the episodes. Also, this is probably one of the most beautifully shot dramas I've ever seen. This is where pre-produced dramas shine. They look soooooo pretty. It's like watching a film half the time.
I think all the main actors are doing a fab job, even IU. LJG is just amazing though omg. How can a human being be so beautiful?!
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Alessar
August 31, 2016 at 6:32 AM
I actually feel somewhat opposite. There's something about the cinematography and film quality that is SERIOUSLY bothering me. Like in the scene where the princes were sitting around visiting, the camera kept doing "dramatic" zoom-ins on each character's face. It felt clunky and amateurish.
And there's something about the film quality that is too clear, it's giving me "uncanny valley" reactions to this historical piece. Sure, I could pause my tablet and count the pores on Lee Jun-Ki's face (and each one was minimal and fabulous) but overall the look is too starkly real. It doesn't look like a movie, it looks like someone's SuperHD camera filming roleplay scenes at RenFair.
It was really very distracting how much technical criticism was going on in my head while I was trying to watch this.
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39 CR
August 30, 2016 at 7:43 PM
I know I'm meant to be saying this about the boys (them being attractive is like, the point), but GOSH, IU is so freaking pretty.
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40 ⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
August 30, 2016 at 7:48 PM
Still not watching this drama yet. Maybe will start next week or a little later once the things spicing up. But... the rating was so low. I know and all of us know, the rating doesn't represent the quality. Im not fan of LJK but it hurts me if his drama keeps failing in term of rating (failure here means not even 10 digits). For the sake of LJK, KHN and IU too, I hope the rating will be higher. I'm not feeling the Moonlight as I don't like youthful sageul that much, so I'm rooting for this one.
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41 Abbie
August 30, 2016 at 8:01 PM
Granted, I'm not watching this currently (still without internet), but based solely on the screen caps and Javabeans's amazing recaps, I can tell this show is amazing. I think I love everything about it and can't wait to actually watch it. Thanks for the recaps, Javabeans!
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42 Still_Yoyo
August 30, 2016 at 8:02 PM
There must be something in the waters of goryeo.
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Nessie
August 30, 2016 at 8:49 PM
In this case it could be a time travelling telepathic tunnel like in W!
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43 eh
August 30, 2016 at 8:14 PM
i don't know why they have to do closeups
i was ok with closeups in that winter because of song hye kyo and jo in sung's visuals , they are so beautiful and handsome, no visual flaw
but closeups in this drama is so bad
IU closeups are the worst, she look like peasant, sorry
and hong jong hyun with his emo eyeliner, so ridiculous
baekhyun look so old and bland
only kang ha neul and lee jun ki look good with closeups
please just keep closeup on kang ha neul and lee jun ki and lessen the closeups on IU and the other princes, they look bad
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44 WangWOOK
August 30, 2016 at 8:14 PM
I never seen a Saeguk Drama with so many many young pretty face in, Yet The eyeliner for the Saeguk drama is too much yet the make up is too white make them looks so pale they can just go with natural make up so its more believable for saeguk sake!!! like am watching Twilight In saeguk theme!
I think Iu is cast in this because of due her agency power just like Nam joo hyuk who is under YG entertaiment and jisoo who is like appear on every dramas like there is no other actor out there! He's just like the same as Lee jinwook and Yoon kye sang.. the power of Agency begging for the role's for their artist from the Drama production, there must be have some deals with that...
South Korea Judgments is so harsh to celebritys, that they think celebrity has easy money and Etc, The Image of celebrity on korea perspective is Everythink!
Then again IU is the lead on this, Unfortunately She caused so many scandals under his belts!
She has sex scandal with Super Junior Enhyuk that She upload a photo of her and eunhyuk on bed then again eunhyuk is not waearing any clothes, when she just 16 and eunhyuk is far older than her, She's known for the Lolita concept, public hates iu for IU interprentation of Zeze on her self song composed lyric, the lyric is gross and dirty for describing a 5years old kid, She's besfriend with Sulli the most hated kid on K-nets list, She got so much scandals yet she doesn't care about that... IU b far isn't Innocent at all contrast with her face...
After all just want to stick with part kang ha neul gorgeous face on this!!
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sancheezy
August 30, 2016 at 8:51 PM
HHJ and LJS are pretty hated by the netizen with bullying image and rude superficial aura but managed to gain viewer by good drama and good execution,
this drama is just a letdown for the viewers imo, not bad but not engaging enough than other thing they can do at that time,
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FACTS
August 31, 2016 at 7:29 PM
I happen to see this comment and have to clarify a few facts here.
No, Lee Jong Suk is NOT hated by public. Quite the contrary he is well loved. Here are a few links to his recent news. You can take a look at the comments and upvotes yourself:
http://entertain.naver.com/read?oid=311&aid=0000634631
All his drama have been successful for the past two years. Rating wise all 3 of them got the 1st place at the same time slot. I don’t know where you got the impression that he is hated by public. If you are talking about Nate, well that’s for haters and haters gonna hate anyway. They can’t represent public for sure.
BTW I don’t want to get into any arguments here. I just want to clarify the facts for LJS so others won’t be misled.
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45 Wangwook
August 30, 2016 at 8:23 PM
Yoon Kyun sang, if i'm not mistaken
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46 Janecole
August 30, 2016 at 8:53 PM
Tq jb !
Wish Jang hyuk is here more interesting with LJK
Upbeat OST with indian music too - goryeo era ?
Waiting for prince wang soo romance with ha jin but not into prince wook romance with her.
Vulnerable sight (well executed) when wang soo took off his mask and also the horse ride with ha jin.
When will ha jin think that she is now hae so ?
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 8:54 PM
So I wasn't imagining things - that actually did sound like Indian classical music! Bit of tabla, possibly a sitar? in that score.
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Janecole
August 30, 2016 at 8:59 PM
@ pogo - we heard it loud and clear with good eardrum !
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47 Janecole
August 30, 2016 at 8:57 PM
Would actress yoon eun hye make a better choice ? Since GOONG ?
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48 nil
August 30, 2016 at 9:03 PM
Lee junki, sweeping girls onto his horse specialist since shin minah
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
August 30, 2016 at 9:22 PM
haha, yeah - that last scene was just like the ending of Arang ep 1!
I wonder how he does it, though - lifting a girl onto a galloping horse with one arm never fails to look like a sure recipe for either a strained arm (his) or a trampling (hers), even if the girl is as small and slender as IU.
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49 Richie
August 30, 2016 at 9:18 PM
This drama only has pretty faces but without any talent, only 2 or 3 actors are good, the rest are a joke.
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50 Barbrey
August 30, 2016 at 9:32 PM
I just read a synopsis of the original Scarlet Heart on Wikipedia and it gets really dark. She spends years there and has more than one relationship. I won't go into detail, but I have to say that this drama version in terms of tone seems waaay off. That's okay with me if they keep the tone - I didn't like the original's melodramatic summary - but I have a feeling we'll be departing from it pretty quickly.
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gem28
August 30, 2016 at 11:16 PM
Watch it, it is worth the watch. I know episodes number are a bit long but still it does a good job at telling history and a love story. And it always was about Rouxi even with all the politics. And it does go dark but not in a blood-spill way but in a political way.
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The other Kiara
August 31, 2016 at 9:42 AM
I prefer the original. It felt like Qing the minute Rouxi transported there. This is not the Goryeo I expected and I've seen a lot of Goryeo sageuks.
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