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[Drama Chat] The most overrated drama, according to you

Sometimes dramas go viral. They just have that something special that makes them resonate with viewers and spirals them into mega hits. They are classics-in-the-making. They become pop culture references. Sometimes, you watch and you’re just as enthralled as the masses… but other times you watch and wonder what the fuss is about.

This chat is for that one drama you find highly overrated — but don’t forget to keep it friendly. After all, one person’s overrated drama is another person’s dearest favorite.

And sorry, but mine is Goblin.

What’s the most overrated drama, according to you?

 
Let the chatting begin!
 
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Omg, I hated Goblin, so I'm with you there. However for me and I am sorry to my fellow beanies, I love you lots and agree with you a lot, but I did not and do not understand why The Matchmakers was so beloved. The secondary couple was the more intersting for me and even then, it was just fine. I didn't hate it like I did Goblin, but it was just okay for me.

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I hate Gonlin too. I only finished it for the wacky friendship between Gong Yoo and LDW, but I hated everything else.

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Since there is no real normative standard against which a drama can be "rated good” or”rated bad,” and also because this prompt ends with the phrase, “according to you,” it seems to me the list being elicited here might more accurately be described as:

“Dramas you didn’t like, but that everybody else seemed to.”

As such, and as always with requests to "rate" dramas, the responses will have way more to do with what “you” do not enjoy in a drama than anything abstractly good or bad about it. Also, it will be easy for those who did enjoy the dramas that hated on in this post to hear other Beanies' responses as, "Dramas are clearly 'bad' but that I had to listen to you drone on about." When we're talking about revealing our "underrated" dramas there's not so much risk of "affective aggression" because we praising rather than criticizing dramas.

In either case, though, the reasons why we do or do not enjoy dramas is first and foremost about our own predilections as viewers, but it is also importantly about our moods, the other dramas we've seen recently, and even more personal contexts, such as our emotional needs at the time when we saw something, or even the people we saw the drama with.

I dislike gender swap as a trope because it--by definition--reifies gender norms while (usually) reinforcing their importance to "proper" behavior. As such, I'll never join those who lionize dramas that center on this plot point. On the flip side, I adored Itaewon Class because it was just what I needed at a certain time in my life.

Call It Love, Goblin, and The Matchmakers all have a lot in common in terms of overarching narrative structure. All three are centered around a slow-burn romance between a pair of lovers who really ought not be in love for one reason or another. Moreover, all three have some form of open ending, with Goblin's being famously not only open but also somewhat pessimistic. I’m not here to defend these three dramas, although I also did love them all dearly, I’m just noting that there's a pattern that connects them that may not for everyone.

It can be fun to join a group of fans and it can be fun to join a group of anti-fans. But the emotional impact of hearing praise is not the same as hearing disparagement.

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I love GOBLIN too, although what to love about it is bits and pieces and not the overarching story. I loved Reaper and Sunny, I loved the romance. I couldn't stand the main romance and didn't like the end, but the bits I loved, I love enough to overshadow what I didn't like.

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Reaper and Sunny forever~~~ gosh their storty still haunts me!

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I've never really thought of the similarities between those dramas. I loved Call it love of the three. With Goblin, I disliked it from the first episode, I finished it for Gong Yoo. I realized then I hate Kim Eun Sook dramas, I went back and looked at all her dramas, and realized I either hated them or thought they were subpar, so this was the last one of hers I watched, but my love for Gong Yoo outmatches basically everything, HA. With Matchmakers, I didn't hate, I just thought it was fine. So the parallels you found are so interesting. It also seems this comment was in answer to someone else, but I loved your response.

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Thank you, I feel seen and understood for not being crazy about the FL. I tried again to watch her in Eternal Monarch but it was even worse than Goblin. She was actually better in Goblin.

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But to be fair, I like Gong Yoo though not crazy about him either. He doesn't have my heart the way some actors do. For example, Lee Joon-hyuk stole my heart in Dark Hole. I guess I have a soft spot for cops and thrillers. I don't understand why he never tried a police investigative type drama. All he's done are rom-coms and melo's (at least those are the ones I watched) The astronaut one he did doesn't count because he wasn't the lead really. Gong Yoo is like the male version of Song Hye-Kyo. They don't venture very far from these two drama genres. I know Gong Yoo has done a boatload of interesting movies but I prefer watching dramas.

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It's simply a matter of taste. I don't say it's a bad drama. I was just very much let down because I didn't love it after seeing all the hype.

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the main romance was a letdown and so on the whole the drama felt uneven.

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You very astutely emphasize that loving or hating (or just meh-ing) a drama is so very subjective. I intend to read through all responses to this prompt knowing that there will be staunch defenders and equally staunch detractors.
What I love so much about DramaBeans is that we all have compassion for our friends who have anticipated/tracked online/read or watched synopsis of dramas that should be good. When they fall apart (mostly due to script writing) we feel for the whole crew - major let down.
Mine was Jirisan. I love national parks and rocks, mountains and geology. The literature majors who wrote the script had no basis in the real world. They just live in fiction.
Zero. Nada. Clueless.

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oh that must have been so disappointing to see writers not doing justice to a topic you know and care about! I guess ignorance is bliss and I was "lucky" I am an indoor girl and all the stuff the drama talked about sounded so cool and new to me. Sigh. That's too bad!

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Was there anything in particular that irked you about Jirisan? Anything the script got really wrong about? I would love to be educated more :)

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@ajhummaa thanks for asking. I taught a required science class to mostly theater/creative writing/ sculpture/fine arts majors. It was a challenge to engage them, but I loved that because I admire good storytelling, great directing and inspired acting.
When I think about how to translate SoKo to my US friends it depends. A good friend is traveling to SoKo tomorrow to give a seminar on shutting down nuclear power plants safely. I gave him a Korean business politeness protocol book and a recommendation to watch Mi Ahjusshi . Do you think that is adequate??

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The Matchmakers never gets boring, something exciting is happening all the time, and even interspersed with 4th wall interviews and fantasy scenarios, and the inappropriateness of their relationship is only seen with Joseon eyes, whereas the either 900 years old/not born yet or else 40 yearsold/high schooler romance of Goblin has more obvious reasons for being inappropriate with modern eyes.
So to me, they are very, very different.

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I like Gong Yoo and I don't think his story as such is boring. The whole thing just goes very, very, very, very slow, which I, when I watched the show, assumed was to demonstrate how it feels to live for 900 years.

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I thought the Goblin could have been a more interesting character and not like a bored chaebol collecting expensive diningware?! lol~ the character was kinda boring to watch. It made me kinda mad and sad for Gong Yoo that he's never been in a fast-paced thriller and never played a cop. His Goblin was a warrior and hero but all I remember is him moping around in a luxury house lol. It would be so interesting to watch Gong Yoo in the thriller genre. Something like Seoul Busters. But he never does anything cool like that, sigh.

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I didn't hate Goblin, I just found it rather boring. My husband liked it though. I think it had a slightly arty feel/pacing that he appreciated. I can't say I paid a lot of attention but I didn't think the ending was that pessimistic- they ended up together in their future lives didn't they?
The adoration of Gong Yoo is sadly lost on me, he is just another actor. So I don't even have that to fall back on.

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My problem with Goblin is it never lived up to the promise of its first two episodes. They were fantastic, but then it just started spinning its wheels and writing itself into uncomfortable corners. The draggy pacing and obnoxious PPL didn't help either. I had the same issue with Signal, another show that started with a bang but then turned into a rather mundane procedural script-wise.

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Literally the first drama that popped into my mind. I dropped it after 2-3 episodes but my husband watched it through. I could only eyeroll at what I picked up through my secondhand viewing. I really didn’t like Kim Go Eun in it and I still haven’t really recovered from my distaste for her since then.

Caveat: If I watched this when I was in my teens, maybe even early 20s, I know I would’ve lapped this show right up.

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if I remember correctly, the screenwriter chose both leads herself, so it's like she destroyed her own drama. I don't really understand why she wanted them together and why she made the FL a student. the saving grace was the bromance and the second leads' love story. if it weren't for those two aspects, Goblin would be blech.

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I had trouble getting into Matchmakers.

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There were aspects of Goblin that I really liked, but it was hard to get past the icky romantic relationship between the ML and the much younger FL. Perhaps a better actress could have made it work.

I'm with you about The Matchmakers, too. While I can see why it endeared itself to so many people, it left me cold. (BTW... Like Goblin, it had a couple disturbingly far apart in age—this time a teenage prince and 30-something woman. I'm all in for noona romance, but I'm a hard no on ajumma romances—even if it's accurate in a historical context.)

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1. Boys Over Flowers
2. King The Land
3. Descendants of the Sun
4. Full House
5. Snowdrop
6. Business Proposal
7. The King: Eternal Monarch
8. The Heirs
9. Penthouse (S1-S3)
10. Sisyphus

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King the Land is the most underrated drama on DB! 😂 A total of fifteen people love it at most! 😂

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It is okay-it is for me since the admin has kindly put it....
"This chat is for that one drama you find highly overrated —"

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Yep, I know, I just found it funny because most people here dislike it. But it was just a joke.
I guess it's over-hyped in other places and that is what you meant.

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oh we are such a stuck up bunch haha

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I don't think Sisyphus is even "rated." Everybody hated that drama.

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I don't think so. Fb, IG and Twitter love it

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It got high marks from a lot of people on iMDb, too. But not everybody. One commenter wrote, If you are reading this, I come from the future to warn you to save 16 hours of your life and watch something else you might be interested in. I beg you hit the play button on another show. 🤣😅🤣

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Definitely a Beanie! 😂🫰

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@midnight - The comment was left by someone who seems to watch a lot of Asian dramas, so you may be right. I was in complete agreement with many of their other reviews.

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As a dum dum girl back in the day, I loved Full House. But I don't know if ajumma would still adore it as much if she watched it now. I think there were themes in Full House that resonated with me at the time. Descendants of the Sun and Eternal Monarch downgraded themselves due to casting. I think the ML was miscast in Descendants of the Sun and FL in Eternal Monarch as well. They brought the drama down. It could have been a high B or low A with better casting. But the bad acting dragged it down and did no favors to the script. Good casting can make a drama watchable and bad casting exposes all the flaws in a mediocre script.

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I vote for 1,2,6,8
Of particular note is 2. King the Land
This popular series was so shockingly bad it should be ex-communicated and exiled from the romcom genre. An absolute bastard child that discredits the genre

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Another vote for Goblin!

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I won't mention most popular dramas - they are often popular despite everyone acknowledging their flaws. If I had to call something 'overrated', it'd probably be Beyond Evil. Everyone raved about the writing but I thought it was predictable and slightly overdramatic. I also found Shin Ha-kyun's performance overdone. The highlight of that show was Choi Dae-hoon for me (and maybe Lee Do-hyun's guest appearance). I still think it was a reasonably good drama but nowhere near the accolades it got.

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I don't think many share in my dislike of the following. I did finish watching them though!

1- SKY Castle
2- Vincenzo
3- Designated Survivor
4- Itaewon Class
5- Just Between Lovers
6- You are My Spring
7- Search WWW

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Another vote for Just Between Lovers. Haven't watched most of the others exactly because of the hype.

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Vincenzo suprised me. There was so much about it that would usually make it a 'drama I dislike', and in spite of it all, I loved it.

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I am cursed with explicable dislike of the ML in Vincenzo when he plays these types of roles.

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*inexplicable. And because I had watched Fiery Priest prior to Vincenzo (screenwriter's previous work) the FL's acting just seemed like a poor imitation of the FL in Fiery Priest. Couldn't watch it. Both of the leads were not to my taste, what could I do?

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I couldn't bear the punishment for the villain at the end. Horrific and made me feel truly ill.

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Yes This

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ME TOO. And then a minute later he goes and has a cute romcom moment? It was the most tonally jarring thing ever

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I watched Sky Castle and Designated Survivor from beginning to end (and attempted to watch Vincenzo but did not make it very far) and I have to agree with you. Sky Castle and Designated Survivor are perfectly watchable but also completely forgettable. There's nothing special about them. They helped to pass the time in a relatively entertaining way. But I highly doubt these dramas would make it to anyone's favorites list. It's not must watch television by any means. And they don't really leave you with any warm feelings.

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But I did enjoy the spokesperson's performance in Designated Survivor. He was a pleasure to watch!

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I'm with you on Itaewon Class.

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1. Goblin. I hate it. Tried to watch it 2 times and just could't stand antyhing: couples, storyline, acting (actually lack thereof) and music/songs. Everything was simply horrible.

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Squid Game! The best part for me was the different sets, they were great and I really liked the colors (and Gong Yoo in suit slapping people). The rest...

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According to me...Queen of Tears.

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If you ask me, the one taking the first vote will be...
King The Land

Then... The King's Affection.

And generally, a fandom led drama will always remain overrated to me. Had I watched Kim Soo-hyun before Queen Of Tears, I'd call it overrated to but I loved the side characters. On that note, I'll never understand the rave behind Lee Junho and Park Hyung-shik -lead dramas. Oh! And beautiful boys -lead dramas too. Never understand the rave. And dramas centered about douchebagging central male folks. And on this note, Good Partner.

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"Beautiful boys-lead dramas" and "douchebagging central male folks" have led me to drop many a drama. Or never start watching in the first place.

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I have two. The first one is The Heirs. I just couldn’t get through it, possibly because I also feel like Lee Min Ho and Park Shin Hye are overrated actors.

The second is more recent - Call It Love. Everyone seemed to be raving about it last year and I don’t know why. I couldn’t connect with any of the characters and it was sooo slow and depressing. That is NOT what I call love.

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Seconding Call it Love.

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I really wanted to like Call It Love, but the FL didn't do it for me. I felt her acting at least in the beginning was not good enough for lead.

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she didn't draw me into the drama

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Crash Landing on You

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*I will preface my post with this:
Just because I think a drama is overrated, doesn’t mean that I mutually think that it’s also bad. I just think the buzz and hype to be overwhelming

- Winter Sonata (Winter Love Song)
- Boys Over Flowers
- Goblin
- Descendants of the Sun
- Master’s Sun
- Heirs
- King: Eternal Monarch
- Sky Castle
- Penthouse
- Squid Game
- Queen of Tears
- My Love from Another Star
- It’s Okay to Not Be Okay

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Yes to Master's Sun and MLfAS.

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I really liked Master’s Sun when I watched it— and I even remember re-watching it once or twice— and I enjoyed MLFAS when I watched it but once was enough.
This is what I mean when I say that something overrated to me doesn’t mutually and necessarily mean that it’s also bad, imo. Sadly, I think if something is overrated, then many will also automatically think that it’s bad 🤷🏻‍♀️

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I think several of these suffered from miscasting of one of the leads, which made it unwatchable for me at least. I would have continued watching Descendants of the Sun, Eternal Monarch, Penthouse, Queen of Tears, and My Love from Another Star if it weren't for one of the leads.

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I personally just didn’t feel nor get the “OMG IT’s SOOOOO GOOD” addictive nature from these dramas like it seems many people did. I got addicted and re-watched many other Kdramas, though— many of them were even quiet slice-of-life dramas

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yeah Penthouse was a waste of time. It wasn't worth watching, you don't learn anything from it. As an actor I wouldn't be proud of being in it either. It's just a time passer and money maker.

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I didn’t watch it, but the promos and the overall vibe of it gave me the impression that it was trying to recreate the same sort of feelings— pathos — and hype that the makjang dramas of the early 2000s generated

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I have a loooong loooong list! So I'm just going with the three that stir the pot most! 😁😁

1- Signal
2- I Remember You
3- Tunnel

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Me: pulling out the old fainting couch. Lol, 3 of my all time favorites.
All this just reaffirms that ‘There is no accounting for taste’.

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😄😄 I hit send and ducked!

Yes, there truly is no accounting for taste.

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"pulling ou the old fainting ouch" lolz

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edit: *out and *couch LOL

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ohhh you stirred my pot with Signal and Tunnel hahaha

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I remember liking I Remember You and Tunnel but I could not for the life of me tell you now what they are about lol It’s the same with My Holo Love — watched it and enjoyed it at the time and then completely forgot about the plot

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Tunnel was overhyped? I thought it didn't get any hype. But both Signal and Tunnel were good. You just need to be in Sherlock mode to enjoy them maybe?

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I don't go anywhere else for my kdrama chats, so I don't know about other sites. On DB Tunnel is very much loved.

I dislike the way the personal stories were told, most of the times overshadowing the thriller. Maybe the reverse is true, maybe I should have watched them being in the mood for melo not crime thriller.

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It Okay Not To Be Okay: Not only did it make me bored but it somehow also made me angry. Personally, I really dislike the "Savant" trope. And the combination of sad stories told in a very glossy, shallow (shallow and glossy to me) way by such beautiful people just irked me. Between this show and Queen of Tears, I may never take a chance on Kim So Hyun again.

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I had to drop It’s Okay to Not Be Okay halfway for those ^ reasons, too. I found the drama’s treatment on the topic of mental health to be grossly misleading, unfair, stigmatizing, and false

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Agreed! Have you watched, It's Okay That's Love which has a hauntingly beautiful performance by Jo In Sung and takes on similar themes in a much deeper way?

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I think I reached Ep. 2 for that one and dropped it and never went back to it. At the time, I didn’t find the appeal of Gong Hyo Jin and Jo In Sung 😅

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it's been quite a few years since I've seen it, so it may not hold up, who knows. But, I do remember his performance which I found mesmerizing. Gong Hyo Jin is in another drama that I found really overrated (Pasta). Yikes!

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omg I thought I was the only one who secretly didn't get the appeal of Jo In Sung. I think I have an aversion to pretty and pale guys who can't act LOL

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@amfalulawatching & @ahjummaaa

The only drama of Jo In Sung’s that I ever really got into was That Winter, the Wind Blows, but I go over it after completing the drama pretty quickly and never had lingering feelings afterward. I found his character in that quite complex—well, more complex and complicated than a typical Kdrama ML (i.e. cookie cutter chaebols we keep getting) and maybe that’s the thing that really got my attention, if nothing else, because that type of drama was less seen and less typical (cookie cutter/ same story, different delivery) than the dramas at the time (2013)

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I didnt like that drama because for me, it really dragged and they were trying too hard to convince me in words and I didnt feel it.
but it is only overrated on this page - most of the world doesnt even know it exists.

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yeah I didn't like the vibe of the FL in It's Okay Not to be Okay. Or it was maybe just the drama in general. It was like, "okay this doesn't seem very fun" So I just dropped it in the first episode. This happens a lot to me though.

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Me too. After I tried to go back but still could not pass the first episode.

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There are many but from the most recent ones, I pick Queen of Tears.
I thought about adding Love Next Door to the list but it was rather disappointing than overrated.

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Re: Love Next Door. The fact that I missed a week and didn't bother to go back speaks louder volumes for me.

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My alarm bells went off as soon as I saw the cast for Queen of Tears!

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Vincenzo. It's probably not fair for me to name this one because I only watched 15 minutes of 1st episode, but dramatically set fires, and shootouts with comedic comments turn me off. Fires can spread easily and death by gunshot aren't funny. I like my kdramas without guns.

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I couldn't finish Vincenzo but it was because of the leads that I didn't like. I didn't even make it far enough to ponder the violence.

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Vincenzo was so tonally inconsistent and it just got worse over the show

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I just couldn't get into The Chicken Nugget and couldn't see what others liked. But we all have our own brand of funny which keeps all of us happy sooner or later cause that one show will just hit all the right spots for us.

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it was too packaged, too glossy and not organic enough. the chicken nuggets were not organic lol

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Dramas like Goblin and Lovely Runner, even though I didn't like them, I can still see why they were popular. I can understand why they become pop culture references and their OSTs become classics.

But My Ajusshi is so highly rated, yet to me, it's if depression were a drama. I wasn't invested in any of the characters enough to root for their happiness, and I didn't find the younger brother and actress relationship believable.

The World of the Married absolutely does not deserve to be the highest-rated drama in Korean cable television history. I don't understand why Han So-hee got popular from this drama.

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it's if depression were a drama

This.

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yep yep yep yep yep~~~

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I'm going to be controversial and offer another perspective on dramas like My Ajusshi. Like, what if the cast and directer were different? What if the leads didn't play their characters with so much obvious depression and desperation? What if the director didn't make the drama so gloomy? I am going to say that I might have enjoyed watching My Ajusshi with a totally different cast. I didn't enjoy either of the leads' acting.

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-Strong Woman Do Bong Soon
I never understood why it's so popular. I finally watched it a few ago because of the hype, but all I did was fast forwarding. Except the leads all of the other characters were super annoying.
-Queen of Tears
Everyone mentioned it so I think it's clear why.
-Squid Game
It was mediocre at best; but suddenly became popular all over the world and everyone was talking about it due to Netflix promoting.

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With shows like Strong Woman Do Bong Soon, I know myself, my tolerance for aegyo is very low. So I know going in that I will not enjoy it as much as others. This doesn't disappoint me.

But I love crime thrillers, I love time-travel, I love bickering snapping old friends, so I feel a lot of disappointment when I don't end up loving a show like Goblin or Signal.

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the premise of Squid Game sounded so violent and bleak that I got depressed just reading about it lol.

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Yeah, I've never bothered even trying to watch it

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When I saw the prompt, Lovely Runner came to mind haha
I truly do not get the *level* of acclaim. I have seen some reaction videos about and they say how it's one of the best of kdramas they've watched but for me, it's a "parts are better than the whole" for me.

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I liked and enjoyed it, but didn't love Lovely Runner. I just didn't feel the romance. I was happy, that they had a happy ending, but that's it.

It's like my feelings for the first season of Bridgerton. I liked it and and it was fun to see a historical romance brought to life. But I was absolutely obsessed with the second season.

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I didn't like the FL in Lovely Runner, something about her acting irked me. So I didn't make it past episode 1.

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You are not alone. I didn't like her acting.

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Fascinating. For me, the FL carried that drama. The hype ML has is all because she acted loving him so well. Yes, if you don't like her there is no point trying to watch it.

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I was also going to say LR

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Good Manager - just not funny at all
Forest of Secrets
Others are just overated on this page but not in general I suppose, or I dont have sufficient information about it.
Maybe Heirs too, bc Youtube is full of worship that seems untitled
It´s ok to not be ok - I have no patience for stuff like that

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I'm one of the few that find the ML in Good Manager creepy instead of funny with that face he does.

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Many shows that I watch after years they came out feel overrated, and for many it could be because I missed the timing. So I'll just mention the ones I watched on air.

Old ones:
—Heirs. My mom, unnie and I had to drag ourselves to finish it. Like everyone else, we watched it for Min Ho and Shin Hye but it was just too boring. I never understood the hype for Woo Bin's character either.
—Hwarang. Same thing than Heirs.
—Our Beloved Summer. I enjoyed the drama while watching it (expect for the ending), but I just never thought it was that special. The OST isn't overrated tho. 😆
—The Red Sleeve. When they extended it I was shocked.
—Dali & Cocky Prince. His suits were always fun to watch, the show... Not much.
—Touch Your Heart. I was one of the crowd that loved the second leads in Goblin, so I was shocked by how little I cared about them in their own show. (Controversial opinion: Lee Dong Wook should only do bromance).
—Train. I see people putting it up there with Tunnel or Signal, and nope.

2024 ver:
—Lovely Runner. LOL
—Judge From Hell. I did enjoy this show a lot, but never understood the hype.

Bonus: one show I never liked or finished it (unless reading the recaps counts) was Atypical Family, but I get the hype. It was good at setting the atmosphere and having a unique style.

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You might even see people putting Train WAAAAY above Tunnel or Signal!! 🤣🤣

I love how beautifully diverse the comments on this post are!

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hmm interesting observation you make about Lee Dong Wook re: romance. You know what, I saw him in a reality show and didn't like the way he interacted and treated the girls. It was kinda impersonal and callous. He didn't cross any lines or do anything inappropriate but I agree with you from what I saw that he's not someone suited for romantic ML. Also in interviews with his FL in Goblin, he always seemed disinterested and kinda a**hole.

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Agree that Train was a fun and thrilling watch but it wasn't in the same league as Tunnel or Signal. But I loved watching Train because it was so unusual and thrilling. It goes on my list of recommended thrillers. But Tunnel and Signal go on my favorites list. And the funny thing is that I already forgot a lot of the stories but I just remember the overall feelings these drama evoked.

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Oh my god, yes about Judge From Hell! I truly do not see what other people are seeing regarding that show.
I genuinely just always notice how expensive it looks and that's the biggest takeaway for me. Park Shin Hye's hair is nice too haha (and I only remembered that after a while haha)

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Your comment about Lee Dong Wook only doing bromance reminds me of the funniest scene in Touch Your Heart- where he comes home after being out all night wearing a soccer shirt borrowed from the FL, and his flatmate thinks he has been doing early morning soccer training. Best interaction of the whole drama.
Casting directors do often just cast to type, so its no surprise to hear people comment he is awkward and cold towards women IRL.

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The first drama which came to my mind was The Red Sleeve (I have binge-watched it this year). It's not that I think it's bad, but I thought it would be better. I found it very uneven.

Other dramas I liked less than expected or didn't like: One Spring Night, Secret, I'm sorry I love you, Strong Woman Do Bong Soon, Our Beloved Summer, Vincenzo, Perfect Marriage Revenge...

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Red Sleeve was disappointing to me as well. I think you are right, maybe it was uneven. I think it is tricky for a Sageuk to make the female characters satisfying to modern audiences while also staying true to the history and culture of the time. I think that may be where this faltered (for me) and became uneven (for me).

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@peiyeelai Can I give 12 billion votes for The King:Eternal Monarch?

Rarely has boredom threatened my life so fiercely while pretending to promise an interesting future episode. (that was never ever delivered)

I was fine with Business Proposal, but I skipped the last 2 or 3 episodes because I knew where this was going and I didn't need the last minute inexplicable and unnecessary angst.

King the Land... Yes, I wasn't the right audience.
Same with Queen of Tears, it simply wasn't designed for people like me.

I might want to add Dr Romantic on the list. I've only watched S1, and by the end of it, wanted to personally strangle every single character.
Oh yes, and Gab Dong too. Gab Dong deserves a special spot on the list because I'm still struggling to find a drama that has ruined its potential for greatness so irremediably (and so fast! It barely took them half an episode to turn a good detective premise into that monstrosity of incoherence and —oh-my-effing-god— wide-eyed goldfish acting (Kim Min-jung's special skill - she'd be the life of a Tim Burton graveyard party with that acting style)

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by the end of it, wanted to personally strangle every single character.

🤣🤣 Same here.
Felt the same urge near the end of One Spring Night, including the director.

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Feel free to bash and/or vent it. I share your pain.

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Kim Go Eun was absolutely unconvincing as a cop in Eternal Monarch. And it was far from her first project so she has no excuse. It just felt like she had no confidence in herself for some reason. She was so woefully unsure of herself that I almost felt sorry for her. I was cringing on her behalf. Or maybe she's just not suited to playing cops. And she didn't have chemistry with the ML.

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I couldn't stand her character either here or in Goblin. I haven't even given Yumi's Cells a chance because I don't want to see her act again.

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same here, I have Yumi's Cells and Little Women on my to watch list but I don't want to be disappointed again.

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Anything with Lee Min-ho or Kim Soo-hyun. Takes in a lot dramas, so apologies for not following the guideline.

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Ah, Mister watch-my-flat-acting-i've-ironed-it-just-for-you from The King: Eternal Monarch of extreme boredom?
Tempted to agree to with you :)

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He's watchable in Legend of the Blue Sea but mainly because of the awesome FL. But I think the best performance I've seen of his was in Eternal Monarch. I really liked the way he portrayed his character but the FL ruined it for me, sigh.

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and Kim Soo-hyun ugh agh I can't even begin to express how much I wanted to continue watching Love from Another Star but he ruined the drama for me as well...

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He’s decorative cardboard to me. A complete charisma black hole

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I have this unfavorable opinion on MAAANY iconic kdrama hits lmao, but if I had to truly pick a few I was especially offended by...

- MOON EMBRACING THE SUN - entire adult cast part, teens were wonderful. Masterclass in terrible writing, largely terrible acting (or nonexistent in FL's case) AND being a goddamn slog that just couldn't end for what felt like centuries.

- ROOFTOP PRINCE - someone recommended it to me as similar to QYHM which I adored... Let's just say I never cringed this hard ever again in my entire 14 years of drama watching (the likes of HWARANG came close, but at least no one sane calls that drama a masterpiece!).

- YOU FROM ANOTHER STAR - METS 2.0, but at least in that drama ML was decent acting and charisma-wise, unlike here. And FL's "legendary performance" almost gave me a physical pain, esp that drunken crying scene. Plus they had impressively negative chemistry - again like in METS - and writing sucked too.

- COFFEE PRINCE - before you burn me at the stake for such heresy, let the girl explain: I kind of liked it, esp second couple and supporting characters and FL was doing a great job... but this was the show where I discovered that for the life of me I cannot stand Gong Yoo - neither as an actor nor a dude to ogle. As you can guess, in a romcom drama that was a deal breaker I never got over with... Objectively that doesn't make the drama overrated, but sorry, I just feel sick with flashbacks every time someone raves about it and its OTP in my presence. Maybe he owes me money from the previous life, idk...

- anything from Hong sisters aside of MASTER'S SUN (yeah, show had its flaws, but it was FUN for the most part... which I mainly attribute to cast's effort) - they have ideas and can do a witty romcom banter dialogue, sure, but that's about it. They're messier than 13y.o. newbie AO3 writer and have even less respect to their plots, characters and audience. Put them into storytelling for dummies class and don't let them out until they GET it.

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For me, anything Hong Sisters, Kim Eun-sook and Park Ji-eun.

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they're all so talented but shoot themselves in the foot one way or the other.

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They've been in the game - and on top of it! - for far too long to keep excusing their lazy incompetence with "but they're talented!".

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The unholy trinity they are!

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I agree about Gong Yoo. I've got half way thru Coffee Prince, and every time someone raves about it I think that maybe I will finish it one day... or maybe I won't. But Hong Sisters I adore Korean Odyssey, in spite of the messy script and ppl hijacking the ending.

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lol @ Gong Yoo hate. here's the thing I need to tell the world: I think Gong Yoo looks like Mr Bean. ahahah.

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Agreed about Rooftop Prince. A total dud. 😴
But unlike you, I did not enjoy Queen In-hyun’s Man.
I don’t exactly hate Gong Yoo, but I admit I could never see what all the fuss was about.

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Was it time-travel aspect or something else? I'm not a hard sci-fi girl and always viewed QYHM as a romance fantasy.

I mean, I'm not gonna argue with the fact that Gong Yoo can act... but so do hundreds of other k-actors, and most of them don't irk me like he does.

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No, quite a few of my all-time favorite shows fall into the time-travel and romance-fantasy categories. My notes on QIHM read, "Okay B-grade production. Bland ML and childish FL, annoying supporting characters. Pretty good time-travel plot."

We all have those performers who annoy the hell out of us, even if we can't always put our finger on exactly why...

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To each their own indeed. I do agree that it was not a high grade production - budget looked TINY. Ah, the blessed times when tvN was still a small cable channel that couldn't afford big stars or expensive visuals and had to rely on - gasp! - fresh and bold stories...

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oh I'm sorry you weren't able to enjoy it. yes I agree overhyping can ruin a viewing experience. also maybe some dramas just don't age well or lose their shine past a certain age. I was a lot younger when I watched Strong Woman and I wonder if the dramas I enjoyed at that age would still be enjoyable to me now.

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wait it's only 7 years old! but why does it feel like ages ago?!

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I strongly feel that Goblin's leads did not have much romantic chemistry and the age difference with her still being a student and he a grown man was not in any way romantic. I don't know what the screenwriter was thinking with that. So the screenwriter is responsible for both the successful parts and downfall of Goblin. It is a great but flawed drama.

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Goblin is one of the great, must watch K-drama classics in my book I think mainly because the second leads' story was so riveting - it dealt with the question of how do we make amends and atone for past wrongs? I found the way the screenwriter answered that eternal question fascinating and satisfying. Basically she's saying that some wrongs are so grievious that the current generation can't possibly forgive it. So it takes one generation to forget somewhat what happened, and the next generation, or next reincarnation has a chance for relationships to be restored back to normal. I found it applicable to larger issues such as the grievances China and Korea as well as their descendents around the world have against Japan. And why it's still lingering and festering for so long. 1) Because Japan on the government level seems insincere and details are lacking in school textbooks so students in Japan grow up not knowing the extent and seriousness of the war crimes 2) Conservatives in Japan are allowed to deny war crimes and accuse China and Korea of bringing up bygones for political gain. It's just a vicious cycle of denial and simmering resentment. I feel like this is the first time I've seen the issue of making amends covered so poetically in a drama.

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I do feel the need to preface with an apology. Beanies, I’m sorry, but for me, this is probably Coffee Prince. It was so addicting to watch, and in some ways so easy to see what people loved about it when it first came out. But in the end, I found the FL mostly annoying, and her sister a largely petty and an unsympathetic character. I hated the way the ML fired the FL every other minute because he couldn’t sort out his feelings and whims, and the secondary couple engaged in way too much emotional (and sometimes physical) cheating that it left me with zero assurance that they would be able to make it together. I know a lot of this is likely my 2024 self watching this 2007 drama and maybe that’s an unfair lens, but I was expecting more from this classic drama and was a bit disappointed at the end when no one’s journey took them as far as I was hoping.

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Oh yes, forgot to add this one to my own list, too 😅😅

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I didn't like Coffee Prince in 2007 either, if that is any encouragement.

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I could have skipped the last episode or two and been perfectly fine...

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yes the ending was very unsatisfying and cheapened the story. I hated the last one or two episodes so much. They didn't do the story justice.

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Especially when there is any sort of queer identity involved the last episodes will nearly always be about how it wasn't really so.
You simply need to reinvent those last episodes, or else even Mr. Queen is strange, boring, and has no story to tell.

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"I was expecting more from this classic drama and was a bit disappointed at the end when no one’s journey took them as far as I was hoping." well said!!!

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The main lesson to draw from Coffe Prince is that love is only fair because of love, not because of justice. [From here, Lots of SPOILERS].
Every single relationship is strange and flawed, and you don't have to like Eun-Chan's sister. But Eun-Chan loves her. Eun-Chan finances her mother and her sister's life styles because they can't do it themselves. That is horrible, but it is also lovely. The knucklehead guy is happy just to follow that sister around and be her doormat and knight, so we can hope Eun-chan can let go of that responsibility, but not that it will suddenly be fair. And her mum will have one? two? lovers to take over, so that Eun-chan can be free.
The OG Café owner is sponsored by someone (surprise twist) who loves him, and he used to sponsor a lady whom he loved and who lied to him all the time.
ML was angry at his father for many years because of (major spoiler, right?) and that wasn't like he thought at all.
That young guy at the café ... does he have crush on both parts of the OTP? Seems to me that, yes, and when he is disappointed he outs FL - such a bad thing to do. And that cool Japanese guy follows his love around to support her, or as some creep would say "protect [her] whether [she] like[s] it or not". So he is shook off.
So many flaws, so much love.

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This makes me like it slightly more hahaha! Thanks! But still disappointing overall for me. And maybe better as a melo than a romcom?

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I liked very much that it a chuckle underneath all those stories ... like when you hear the torch songs of Billie Holiday, and she seems to have al little self ironic smile and a head shake at her own (or, the song's protagonist's) foolishness.
It's sweeter and more touching when it's also funny.

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Also, many of them are in relationships where they accept the imbalance - and in return, they get to experience love. If it's a melodrama, that will have to be tragic, but it's not.

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That said, I would have liked it a lot more if the ML hadn't taken out his own troubled mind on the FL. Her life was hard enough without him constantly getting angry at her for awakening feelings in him.

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Ohhh after reading some of the comments I realize I have a lot of them!

1. The King Eternal Monarch (so pretty, actors showed up, but the plot was nonsensical and because of that it had no emotional resonance to me. I felt told, not shown, that these people liked each other. Plus over the top product placement.)

2. Squid Game (do not like that level of violence)

3. It's Okay Not to be Okay--maybe I'm the only one, but I didn't find it heeeeeealing at all. She was crazy manipulative and physically abusive, and I found (and still find) it disturbing that people somehow think that is romantic??

There are lots of others (many already mentioned in the comments) that I just. could. not. finish, but I dunno, maybe they redeem themselves and eventually make sense if you do finish them?

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The romantic chemistry was non-existent in Eternal Monarch. Is the FL just not suited for romance? I felt like she's not very good with her co-stars in Eternal Monarch and Goblin.

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Missvitrix, Goblin has some of the deepliest funny scenes you can imagine ... if only it had been 16 or 17 episodes shorter, it would have been perfect. They could fix that just by speaking a bit faster.
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But almost everybody thought it was a great show and that the ML was fantastic and s*xy.
You know that actor who in an interview sneezed into the sink and then continued with watery snot all over his face. Grr- miauw?

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Me too. I always thought it was like some bad and cheap Western series.

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Not calling them overrated, just shows that seem to be quite popular that I didn’t like at all.

Flower Boy Next Door

My Lovely Sam-Soon
Chimera
Daily Dose of Sunshine
Eulachacha Waikiki 

Bossam
The Secret Garden
Hometown Cha-Cha-Cha
I Can Hear Your Voice 

Witch’s Court
Romance Is a Bonus Book
Mad for Each Other
Tale of the Nine Tailed 1938
Pegasus Market
May It Please The Court
Marriage, Not Dating
Gaus Electronics

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May It Please the Court should have been 2 episodes. They had a good story for 2 hours, and dragged it itno 12 hours.

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I agree with at least half of this list and disagree with the other half... heeheehee

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I tried to watch Waikiki and Pegasus Market because they're said to be some of the funniest dramas, but while they were funny, I also needed to find emotional resonance, and unfortunately it didn't grab me emotionally. In contrast, I was able to continue watching Seoul Busters because its humor was relatable and human. It had warmth and wisdom, as corny as it sounds. Tale of the Nine Tailed, I think it was miscast. The FL isn't great at being a villain, IMHO. She was both too villainous and not villainous enough in Penthouse. She's not comfortable being a b***h on the screen and to be a successful villainesse, you really have to take joy in being evil. She's not fun to watch in these kinds of roles because she's not comfortable being mean. She's probably much better playing sweet characters. Oh I have a little to say about each drama on your list this is going to take forever. Okay, last comment will be about Romance Is a Bonus Book. I thought the ML's character was lame and not riveting. His actions were not attractive at all, he seemed immature and petty. And ajumma got less patience for little boys, so dropped that thing like a hot potato. I know I have liked tsundere chaebols in other dramas but I just didn't like the way Romance Is A Bonus Book did it. It was unappealing.

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I deeply dislike "wacky" comedy, which is why I gave an emphatic thumbs-down to Waikiki, Pegasus Market, and also Seoul Busters and Gaus Electronics. I enjoyed the original Tale of the Nine-Tailed, but I found the prequel frenetic and not at all engaging, and not just because of the FL. I tried and failed TWICE to make it through Romance Is a Bonus Book; I just couldn't bring myself to care about the characters. The last two dramas I mentioned convinced me that I'm not a big fan of both Lee Dong Wook and Lee Jong-Suk. I've seen them in other dramas and was equally underwhelmed.

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I agree totally with everything everyone has said about the Romance is a bonus Book, the ML is lame and neither of the main characters were riveting.
But this is a classic 'right drama at the right time' for me, so I'm always going to like it. It's got a great ensemble cast including second leads that spark, coats that make me laugh just thinking about them (including some intense coat-swirling), and a scene on a beach in Korea when its snowing. Add in the dementia sub plot, lots of books, and the fact that at the time I watched it I really wanted muted, easy, emotions- and it was perfect.
Some dramas are just personal, no matter how flawed they may be.

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Ooh. Romance is a Bonus Book. Yes, I had forgotten this one. I tried for a year or so to get farther than the first few episodes, but couldn't. I didn't find either of the main characters that interesting.

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I love Goblin but not so much how the FL was written.
For me these are my picks that comes top of mind right now:

King the Land
Heirs
Lovely Runner
Start Up
Alchemy of Souls 1&2

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Overrated means, to me, not one that I personally didn't like, but rather one that is well known, that many people rave about, and I just can't see that its all that great. So dramas like King the Land, the Heirs, Tunnel, Call it Love, The King, Eternal Monarch, all of which I liked fine, but wasn't crazy about, still I can't call overrated, because I didn't see a lot of people raving about them to begin with. Maybe King the Land had high international ratings, so that would be overrated, but I would hardly say relatively high ratings meant favorable critical reviews. In fact, I took to defending it on DB, not because I though it was a top-notch rom-com, (although it had its strong points), but because I wanted to tease the DB haters, who as I recall generally outnumbered positive commentators.

So what would be overrated in my definition? Well, I would join others in including Goblin in that one. not because I hated it--in fact, I kind of liked it. But it was to me it was just a typical "fantasy character finds humanness through love." I don't understand why it stands out from other fantasy kdramas with supernatural characters. So to me, its overrated because its always mentioned as one of the iconic fantasy kdramas.

I would say the same thing about Just Between Lovers, which got a loving DB tribute about 6 months ago with many raves, but when I watched it, it seemed something of a run in the mill melodrama to me--trauma troubled male lead, loving Grandma figure, prostitute with a heart of gold, last second organ donor needed and found etc. But again, I didn't dislike it, just found it overrated by Drama Beans fans.

The last I would include in my personal overrated category is one that hasn't been mentioned yet. I watched all of it, so definitely found it relatively enjoyable, but simply couldn't understand the rave reviews it got on Dramabeans: Moving, which seemed a competently executed, if cartoonishly violent superhero story, with conspiratorial government agency and a "family" theme that was very similar to any other superhero team narrative, many of which emphasize family trauma as part of the origin story.

But I would stress, once again, that these are not shows that particularly disliked, just ones that seemed highly rated by many, and I didn't see what the fuss was about, so "overrated according to me!"

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Very, very well-put, hacja.

You explained so perfectly why I count Signal in my list of overrated dramas, but not Goblin. I hate Goblin. I list that in my hated dramas that I finished. But I didn't hate Signal. I was mildly entertained, regretted that I got a melodrama instead of a thriller, saw lots of plotholes, and just never understood the hype.

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Moon Lovers Scarlet Heart
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Anything from the Hong Sisters
Squid Game
Hospital Playlist series
Replay series

(I never watched Goblin because i can't stand the FL)

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I dislike it immensely when dramas don't live up to their potential - like Goblin. So many fantastic ideas (god is a teenager! The grim reapers! The bromance!) and yet at the center of the story is the horrifyingly bad idea of an epic romance between an about 40ish looking guy grooming a teenager.
Just no.
I never got Descendants of the Sun, I usually don't mind a plot that absolutely weird, stupid and idiotic but that was too much for me. A little research could have fixed a lot.

I hated Lovers of the Red Sky - sure, honey, this guy has only nearly killed you two or three times, I'm sure he's the love of your life.

I never got the hype around Hometown Cha Cha Cha, the ML is such a patronizing, condescending guy, dimples or no dimples.

Newer ones would be Queen of Tears (he was.), Love Next Door (kind of forgot to finish) and Dear Hyeri and DNA Lover (were they even rated, actually?), which I both dropped because the ML was too toxic for my taste.

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"The ML is such a patronizing, condescending guy, dimples or no dimples." LMAO
That's the reason why I didn't go past episode 1 of Cha Cha Cha, or ever finished Start Up (even tho he was second lead in that one).

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Never have I ever understood the SML syndrome people suffered from Start Up. Nam Do-san forever!

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Strong Woman is beyond overrated. I also couldn’t stand the scenes with the gang especially in the hospital…they were unnecessarily gross and I had to skip altogether.

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I'm surprised to not see anyone mention Memories of Alhambra. My husband and I loved it, but I know there were a lot of beanies who hated it.

I think that sometimes it's better to wait on hugely popular dramas. If I wait a few months or so, then I can watch and perhaps enjoy the drama. This happened recently with Lovely Runner. (I don't like the lead actress that much, because I think she seems to play the same bratty teenager in her roles). I dropped it after the 2nd episode because everyone was raving, and I didn't get it. I started it again just last month, and found it enjoyable. This was true for My Ajhussi, Goblin, and Forest. When I returned to them, I really enjoyed all three of these.

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As most dramas, Shooting Stars probably works better as a binge-watch (as I watched it). I hope you enjoy it!

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sometimes it's better to wait on hugely popular drama

This is also true on hugely disliked shows. There have been quite a few shows that were severely criticized on db while airing, but then suddenly become very popular after a few years.

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You're right. This has been true for me too. Sometimes our "feels" for a show get skewed by beanie reactions. Better to wait and watch after the comments have died down.

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I know this is a controversial pick. It received more attention than it objectively deserved. It series had high hype because it was from an established writer and it had two top stars for lead roles. It had a Romeo and Juliet Korean storyline.

But it was a situation that fueled its popularity: the start of the pandemic. It was the gateway drama for many international fans. It became a huge on-line shipping explosion for the leads. But in reality it was not a well executed fantasy drama: the ridiculous plot made no sense; one had to suspend all belief and logic to watch. But the vast majority of viewers readily did so as pure escapism from real world problems caused by the beginning of the lockdown.

CRASH LANDING ON YOU.

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Feel free...it is an open space and an opinion.

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Yet another one on my list. The only thing that I remember (and actually liked at the time) is the marshmallow security guards at the end!

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Never hate popular drama but I just don't get why they are popular
- Penthouse
- Vincenzo
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