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Open Thread #878

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240816-seoul-breaks-118-year-record-with-26th-tropical-night-1

My interested article this week was about the tropical Seoul night when it was now broke the record with its 26th tropical night in a row (25 degrees celsius, 77 Fahrenheit) and marked the longest streak since modern weather observation began in 1907. Such Korean evenings are typically called tropical night. The intensified Seoul heat will continue to break records until probably next week. Last Monday, despite the 26th South Korean tropical night, the data from Korea Power Exchange showed that South Korea's electricity demand reached an all-time high with 102.3 gigawatts compared to August 2023's 100.6 gigawatts.

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Language-interested Beanies: Did you ever have a scene in a kdrama that taught you a word in Korean in a super memorable way? That you’ve never forgotten afterward? I’ve learned loads of words from watching kdramas, but almost none stand out to me as much as this example from Live Up to Your Name (one of my favs). *light spoilers to follow* Im and Kyeong have just traveled back from Joseon times to the present, and she’s been injured. He rushes into the emergency room with her in his arms and yells until someone comes to help them (she is hopelessly embarrassed, as she is not in any danger of dying right at that moment), and the person tending to her asks him what his relationship with her is. Is he her boyfriend? “No no no no no” he quickly denies, and then pauses, blinks, and says, “아직은” - “Not yet”. Beanies, I died. And I have never forgotten it!

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😂😂😂👌👌

I have learned so many words from dramas that none stands out to me at the moment...

Oh! I remembered one! I learned dangshin from the birthday song Suzy sings in Dream High!

Also nomu nomu nomu nomu nomu chuahea always takes me right back to Miho in My Girlfriend is a Gumiho!

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"Orabeoni" - one of my first sageuk words, learned it from Chuno.

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I remember three such words quite directly because I made sound clips of them 😁.

The one that sprang first to mind was a very simple word: the sing-songy "고...고...고...고" that Lee Hye-young intones in Bitter Sweet Hell. I'll never ever forget 'nine' in the Sino-Korean set of numbers now!

Also, now that I'm on the subject, "옥수수 국수" (corn noodles). Same drama 😉 Really fun words to say.

Then, also, unforgettably, "왜?? WHY?" spoken by the inimitable Lee Mi-sook in Perfect Marriage Revenge. That one came with its own translation, even!

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I know numbers because I practice counting in Korean when I wake up in the middle of the night and can't fall back asleep! 😅 But I should do it more often with the Sino-Korean set!

You're right, that's extremely fun to say! You've managed to make me put Bitter Sweet Hell on my watch list hahaha

I can't even pinpoint when I first learned 왜, although that would have been a great opportunity! I have a feeling it was my second kdrama, 100 Days My Prince, but would have to rewatch to know for sure.

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Oh! Speaking of, you know the word (well, exclamation) that I learned from 100 Days My Prince???

The kingly intonation of "Oho!" by D.O.--especially when he's in his downtrodden phase, and it's so clearly out of place!! 😂

Since then, I've of course heard it over and over out of many men's mouths, but I'll always remember its implied meaning and the assertion of royal privilege from dear old D.O.!!! He does it super-well.

Rowoon might be my second favorite...WAIT I think I have that one!!!

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Yes! It needs no translation and was so iconic coming from him! Don't worry, some humanitarian strung a bunch of them together on YouTube. Searching "100 Days My Prince oho" will get you there 😂 I watch it on the regular!

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I loved every time D.O. said it! Its also one of my few favorites to re-watch!

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Oh yes, the "OHO!" That was so funny, and I think I even ... asked you guys, or looked it up, and stuff like that. And have chuckled every time since then I heard it.
I learned "Abujeh" (or how it's spelled) from a discussion about the 2ML in Destined with You, who had an argument over the phone and said that word.
And recently, kind of the opposite of the question, but the subtitles said that a person was going to say "No", and I discovered that I knew they would say "Aniah!" (Again, don't take my spelling too seriously here).
I remember when first that happened to me, in English, long long time ago, watching a cute American "forced cohabitation" rom com with two actors playing actors, and the woman's child. The subtitles said "prøve" and I thought "rehearsal" and got surprised and so, so proud of myself. (It will have been in the late 70's/early 80's).
Maybe because of that I remember a surprisingly lot of that plot.

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Nothing is more pathetically funny than an exclamation that simply means "I am better than you, act like it!". In other languages that I know of people either suggest it by caughing, or they need to use more than one word.
But "Oho" is like saying "I am so full of myself I can't even find words for it!

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PS; non-Kdrama alert
Because of the "learning words" memories I had to google that American romcom, especially as I remembered the little girl to be exceptionally funny.
I finally found out it was "The Goodbye Girl" and the little girl was Quinn Cummings. The best I remember is her crying melodramatically and inconsolably (it was funny, but takes a few more words) but this is the only gif I could find from the movie:
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExeXZlMm45a3d1ajNnajB4dXFxemJqbjhqa2Q1dnA2bGY0N3l0c3J0ZSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/PijLXK6uQiUg0zsUun/giphy.gif

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That's an American Classic, @ceciliedk !

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:-) Well, I haven't seen it since discovering that I knew the word "rehearsal" without having learned it in school was a happy event.
But it totally deserves to be a classic; In spite of not having anyone repeat the names or plot to me, I still remember the New Yorker mood, that cool an d funny little girl, the bearded man who was devastated because he had to play his Shakespearean horror-tragedy dream role in a completely ridiculous way, and the star troupe that hired him because of that. And the mother and child completely losing it at him saying he was going touring with that troupe, them being completely deaf to his assertions that he would come back, them hugging and crying like he was actually dead.
And a car driving ... round a corner, I think ... while someone said "rehearsal".

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Ha! I too never ever forget nine in Korean but that is also because of My Girlfriend is a Gumiho!

Oh I remembered another one! Yo, the suffix for polite speach, from Shining Inheritance, Hwan adding it belatedly and extremely reluctantly!

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I love when characters do this! I was already familiar with this ending by the time I saw it for the first time (and obviously can't remember where 😒) but that would be a great way to learn it! A pair of characters did this super recently in Serendipity's Embrace too.

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Oh yes, I actually caught the -yo very quickly in my first or second drama, about 5 years before Shining Inheritance. But up till then I thought it's a conjugated shape of words, I didn't know it can be added on to an already completed sentence.

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I thought I had a trailing "...요" from Vigilante but I don't. **sad face**

BUT, while looking for it, I found a bunch of more fun words...who can forget the first time one learned the phrase "야 변태!" Ah, so educational!

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I'm finishing watching I'm sorry, I love you (2004). The ML is learning polite Korean and there is an episode when he learns how to use "요". And he starts to add it to everything he says.

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Cute!

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I was wondering why Lee Hye-young would pronounce the number nine as "고 (go)," but upon watching the clip, she does pronounce it "구 (gu)." I know Seoulites would pronounce the "-고" ending as "-구" to sound cute.

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Nah, I just mistyped it and didn't look twice.

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That scene is so cute! Seriously, I'm not over that drama yet. I'm not a usual rewatcher but I think I could watch LUTYN for the third time (someday).

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Absolutely no need to get over that drama! I don't rewatch very often either but let me know if you ever decide to!

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I would like to know too!

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I first watched it in July 2022. And rewatched it three months later.
I'll let you know it there is a third time (good things come in threes 😅). But as I said, I don't usually rewatch series. Maybe because I still have many old dramas I have never seen.

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I’m the same way. There are so many dramas I still haven’t seen that it’s hard to tip the balance in favor of an oldie. Usually I give myself a quick fix with clips or compilations on YouTube instead! And actually Isa, I think I watched it only a few months before you for the first time.

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Sorry, kindly spell out LUTYN. Thanks

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Live up to your name :)

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I remember a translation mess-up. The series 'Matrimonial Chaos' the husband mumbles something about marriage and the wife looks back angrily. He explains (in the subtitles) 'I said marriage is like porridge' which makes no sense. But if you listen very closely you hear he says the word 'juk' which means rice porridge, but there's the word 'jukda' which means to die. The dramas had a clever little line that was untranslatable to English.

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Yes! I even have a little notebook of kdrama quotes (in Korean). And I have a little note full iconic phrases/one liners too.

I LOVE dramatic phrases, so I'm gonna pick that:

1. Flower of Evil thought me how to tell someone that they'll "never get it" in the most dramatic way possible: 넌 절대 몰라. 죽었다 깨어나도 넌 몰라 (you'll never know. Even if you die and wake up again you won't know)

In Penthouse there's a similar scene—they use the same phrase—, but it's about how to tell someone you're superior: 죽었다 깨어나도 나 못 이겨 (Even if you die and wake up again you can't defeat me). 😎

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This just made me wonder when that phrase was used in Flower of Evil.

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It was after the first time he got really hurt and ended up in the hospital for days.

After she spent weeks worried about her hubby dying (plus other stuff), he was like "okay, but why are you not smiling like always". So she was like "you'll never understand how I feel, beach" LOL

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Great question! : )

I learnt "byul", meaning "star", from Empress Ki. It was my first Kdrama and Ha Ji Won's acting left a strong impression on me!
Spoiler: she has named her son Byul and explains why. In one tragic scene, she mourns the death of her son and cries out his name. So heartbreaking!

I also learnt "ppoppo", meaning light kiss, peck on the lips, from Crash landing on you.
Spoiler: after they got caught on a boat kissing, Son Ye Jin and Huyn Bin are arguing because he downplayed their kiss as a "ppoppo". She keeps repeating ppoppo, which sounds funny to my ear, adding a comedic effect to that scene to me.

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Oh, nice! I learned "ppoppo" from Goblin because there's one scene where they're at a restaurant and there's a proposal or something, and the people are like "뽀뽀 해 (ppoppo hae)" and then one of the main characters (I think the FL) was like "nooooo, 키스 해 (kisu—kiss— hae)". That's when I learned the difference.

(Btw, I think I got the entire scene wrong so don't quote me on this. LMAO)

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I learnt Buyl relatively late, from Circle.

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Byul was in Shooting star for me.
I love when there is a play on the characters name. (Devilish Joy, Master's Sun...)

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I love this!

The word I learnt was 'Cheparl' 제발 (or jebal as the romanised version writes). It means 'Please'.

It was when the character of Jay Yi repeats to herself when the Sergeant is about to get to her for a pat down and the CP pulls her out by the wrist - Our Blooming Youth.

She repeats the word a few times to herself like we tend to do when in trouble - Please, please.....

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Nice! I learned that one from It’s Okay Not to Be Okay, when Moon-young is pleading with a woman who lives in the hospital and is under the impression that she is the Moon-young’s mother.

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Yes, I remember that (though I didn't pick up the word back then).

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I learnt "ahjumma" in Flower Boy Next Door, 달팽이 "dalpengi" (snail) in Fated to love you, 고양이 "goyangi" (cat) in Meow, 수술 "susul" (surgical operation) in Hospital Playlist, 빵 "pang" (bread) in King of Baking, 비 (rain)... I'm not sure, but probably in Flower of Evil.

And I could say many more 😅

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Another one - I learnt 'Bichin' or 'Michin' from Soundtrack #1. The sentence somehow left me wanting to understand the term more because so much attention was given to that one line, as if he had said 'I love you' instead of a simple 'This is crazy'. I remember even creating a post for it after my second watch on DB.

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다시 from Business proposal,
나비 from Nevertheless,
비서 from WWWSK,
사기 from 38 Task Force,
특별한 from Sell Your Haunted House,
거북이 from Alchemy of Souls Season 2: Light and Shadow,
삼촌 from A Piece of Your Mind,
우리 from Because this is my first life,
태양 from The master's sun,
그냥 from So I maried the anti fan,
잔고 from Please don't date him,
아주마 from Healer.

Can you tell that I try to find one word per drama ? These are the evidence, the words that came to me. I need to work to find words for all the others dramas...

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I learnt 삼촌 (uncle) in My secret Terrius and 이모 (aunt) in When the weather is fine.
Of course, I learnt 할머니 (grandmother) in Start-up.
And 사랑해요 (I love you) in my second k-drama, It's ok not to be ok.

I also love the idea of finding and learning new words in each drama.

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I had heard schoon a lot but the relationship dynamic was never anything special, until I heard it in Nine Times Travel a good 9 years into my kdrama journey. The word hits so hard there that it is impossible to forget. To this day hearing samchoon takes me immediately to the harthbreak on Lee Jin Wook's face.

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*samchoon*

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이모 is Doom at your service for me. :)

I cannot recall when I learned I love you, thank you, hello, excuse me and such expressions. They are not drama-linked.

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I learned 안녕 (Hello) in my third k-drama: Memories of the Alhambra.
Hyun Bin said it dozens of times. Actually, what he said was "안녕, Emma".

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I learned 그냥 from My Holo Love, when the FL says it to Holo, and then he says it as an answer later to his developer. I loved that scene, as the AI got a little more human from hanging out with her.

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me too, 그냥 from Holo. anytime I hear it, I see Holo lol

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Chakamanyeo. Hear that in every drama because Koreans seem to be an impatient lot.

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Live up to your Name is one my absolute favourite shows. I have watched it 3 times and a 4th is not too far off 🥰

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Not a drama, but a knitting pattern that I decided to do turned out to be Korean, (accidentally!) so I'd like to gift you all here with a link to the place where she counts to 8.
https://youtu.be/lzRNCSMKNRE?si=HEtri3kkobhz5lGb&t=3186

Some of the subtitles are hilarious. Like it seems puffed sleeves are called something like "nipples" in Korean?

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"Yeah, Mama!" Which means something a lot more formal, but keeps being very funny, not least in the deep, resigned voice of the tormented court lady in Mr. Queen, where I heard it the first time again and again.

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I learned lot many words, but what made an impact was the FL saying "palli/ppalli" in Secret Garden during one of the later episodes where the ML gets stuck in the lift.

Those who have watched it will understand the gravity of the situation and the reason of her impatience.

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Weather - warm july - but not so much

Warm August - high high humidity - frustrating - high precipitation but not much rain -

Rain - BORING - i expected powerful rain - i expected powerful monsoon - but woah - it's rain - good rain - not the awesome, magnificent rainy season i expected.

not much floods - not much cloud burst - not much land slides -

what a boring season it turned out to be.

Seriously, monsoon what are you doing - show your beauty

I'm expecting something beautiful till 20 September

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This summer is good - even i huffed n puffed - yeah i could hv easily handled it in 2017, but, it's 2024 -

ahh - the difference of young age n not so young age.

everything is worthless if you don't hv young body.

young teenage body is just too powerful.

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ELECTIONS - and i've too few posts - well i saw the opportunity and got busy taking advantage of it -

as said before in 2020 - donut has to go - republicans d idiots.
2022-23 - i said these 2 idiots hv to go - idiot democracts

biggest idiots = audience = consumer = voters n citizens u deserve all this for ur foolishness.

wasted 28 years of America - you can only expect anything +ve from 2031.

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MARKET - Money money money - as said before gonna do stock market in 2024 - so busy with that

Japanese market made high after woah time - but sensible approach said its fake - to fool the commoners and they had the yen news ready - planned beautifully and ate lot money of citizens -

You see oppottunity - you make a home run - how much

5 to 10 times jackpot - yearly household income done in just 2 days - with least risk avg. 3% return per month - which is pretty good.

be stupid - not an idiot - plastic faces not gonna increase your bank balance.

you provide free view - every1 takes advantage of u

no more free views and analysis from now on - i help, i share knowledge and then idiots become too demanding - i do things for my own fun - if u want too much - then do it urself -

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Happy Friday, Beanies! Also hello, Hakyeon)))

After 1.5 months, which felt like far longer tbh, LYN finally emerged online with new livestream. There was little music this time and even less seriousness – I don't think he was in any mood for that, having too much to talk about instead))) Hopefully we'll be compensated for it later – he promised us 2 albums (one mini in collaboration and one full solo) after wrapping up ADWAD somewhere mid-September. Troll energy was so strong that he even sorta blackmailed CICADA producers by claiming they sent him meh OST demos and thus he's not going to sing for that drama at all, for the first time in his entire career... Someone woke up and choose violence, I see)))

He did butcher a few songs for a good measure: first trying one from female artist in, I presume, original key, which understandably did not work (it's quite bad, I'm not gonna share it), then moving on to Cantonese repertoire with “Half moon serenade” (feat an attempt to use guitar as a violin because why not), which also ended prematurely, but at least he sounded more normal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWFZzehHA_Y

More Canto with a fitting titled “Rascal” - or at least a half of it, I'm pretty sure original version runs for 4+ minutes – before he moved on to scold fans for spamming him with pickup lines in different languages (notably English and Korean) because he's able to understand this much and make his lack of amusement known, heh. One of the few instances when I deeply regret not making a Weibo account years ago, it would've been so fun to join the party!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h5DPJhZF00

That's pretty much it - he did not make my job any easier. Alas, we have to move on to other, less fresh content. Like this old OST for GOD OF LOST FANTASY xuanhuan drama – I know nothing about the show, and lyrics don't help much either. Sounds gorgeous in epic and angsty way – right on money with “Breaking the fate” title. With utterly unhelpful subs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItGRI-45Rd0

Speaking of old OSTs – how about one for Japanese anime? Practice of recording “local release only” songs still feels very weird to me – some of them aren't even translated versions but new stuff entirely... That's some dedication. Anyway, he sang “Yesterday boy” for PENGUIN HIGHWAY, which looks sentimental AND zany in a way that only anime can be, plus sounds great. MV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJi3ouYP7qk

It even got a stage performance! Not sure what's worse – the raincoat or the monstrosity of turtleneck he's wearing underneath... Other than that, very cute ah, the fluffy cheeks, long time no see!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fclyj3yyoo8

And full version performance with lyrics – now I wonder if movie is a total tearjerker...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TH9reMgUx8

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Thanks to the song above algorithm also introduced me to this wonderful cover of “That boy” back from his street days. Which sounds A+MAZING even despite some equipment problems or whatever that was (connection lag? wind?):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xjVmReGZQ

Slightly newer and more mellow version (cool shirt btw) I also like a lot, even though it lacks intensity of the previous take:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd54CcxK08A

And very funny cover of “Tell me” from a long gone era when he was not yet boring grandpa-like cranky about the topic of flirting – doing the whole rap part is already hilarious as it is, but these lyrics lol! Subbed for max impact – pls don't drink or eat anything while listening, just in case:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVuS9HoyjMk

Bonus: continuation of infamous “cabbage shirt” meltdown, which ultimately proves two things – that Ning-ge takes his fashion/image VERY seriously and he holds grudges for a really long time (this was 2 years ago, man, you're pettier than even my cats!):
https://x.com/fandoestrans/status/1823730321508176067

The original incident in detail:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_umyyexzrHw

P.S. Given the recent ADWAD spoilers it was very smart of him to stream beforehand, because if he did it right after, I'm sure his wardrobe wouldn't be the topic dominating comment section^^

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Honestly, these are so much fun! Every Friday, I get enjoy LYN music, and silly videos, and fab costuming! Thank you!

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Thank you for sharing!! I should definitely watch more of his livestreams, especially if he’s going to cover Cantonese songs— a.k.a. Songs I grew up listening to 🥰🥰🥰

If you want to have a listen—

The original version of Half Moon Serenade, by Hacken Lee, whom LYN worked alongside on the music competition variety show, Our Songs S1
https://youtu.be/ZBXkflLv8bU?si=Q88DeY8Nbek19uug

Here, Hacken Lee actually sang it on the show with Charlie Zhou Shen
https://youtu.be/AWA_iLVdl80?si=yIodpGC2F9kg_Thr

Story of the song is basically a personal being kept up at night (ergo, the song title) in their own thoughts about their own personal commitment struggles and just stirring and stirring in thoughts

And here’s the original version of Rascal, by Ronald Cheng
https://youtu.be/migZH5LJ-D0?si=AieQitrxbnh_ZY3M

Story of the song is basically a person questioning why their partner even wants to be with them—even marry them— because he’s not some great guy. He does all these things— most of which, going out and getting drunk— yet, there’s nothing he does that scares off the other person.
The original singer of the song, Ronald Cheng, very red announced his retirement from showbiz due to many personal and interpersonal issues, which he says he will take this time to address:
https://www.straitstimes.com/life/entertainment/singer-ronald-cheng-says-he-suffers-from-depression-and-alcoholism

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You're welcome))) He seems quite proud of his Cantonese - idk how valid his confidence is - which means more opportunities to flaunt it. Along with some Korean via Big Bang repertoire, which DOES sound well, you can tell he worked hard on phonetics:
https://x.com/fandoestrans/status/1824096320443097323

Yes, I knew it sounded familiar! Lol at the lyrics premise - more like "Half moon emo hour" then)))

Ah, the people's of art fave vice - drinking... *sigh*

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Ooooh that’s really good!!! He actually sounds more at ease singing Korean than he does when singing Cantonese, I think

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@bebeswtz lack of tones probably helps a lot))) Plus he admitted to watch a lot of kdramas - in the past at least - which, from my own experience, gives one a pretty good grasp on how Korean should sound. He's likely a little too young to be this familiar with HK cinema...

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I loved that clip LYN's singing Still Life. He sounds good singing the Big Bang song. Thanks for sharing!

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@gikata
I think it depends. LYN is only a year older than me, and I grew up watching some pretty good HK cinema that has gone onto become classics and the new threshold for good HK cinema— the things produced in the 80s and 90s 🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻 Especially works that are HK triad themed

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@bebeswtz I'm only few weeks older than him and I've seen plenty of such movies as a kid myself (with horrible local fan dub lol), but in my case it was my father's (hardcore fan of the genre) influence. If my grandparents were the only people calling the shots regarding my exposure to TV at the time, like it was with Yuning who was raised by them only, I feel like the situation would've been not-so-slightly different, at least until rebellious teen age... Triad-themed stuff is so not what older generation would've consider OK content for a kid)))

I recall him saying he liked adventure wuxia/xianxia a lot when he was younger which is the reason he's so into starring in them now while not appearing all that pressed to "graduate" into "serious" dramas unlike most of his peers - I have a feeling that his master plan is to just return to full-time singing once he's 100% past action hero age, but I don't think he ever specified whether those movies/series were from mainland or not only. Tho you're right, it was probably both.

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Penguin Highway is a quite pretty anime. I watched it some years ago but I had no idea LYN had a song in that OST. Such a nice surprise!

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There are far more VERY pretty anime than people realize, both movies and series.

Heh, I had no idea either. Not the two genres I ever imagined crossing paths... He also sang for a few Chinese cartoons, I believe. One of them is in dialect and sounds absolutely hysterical as result. Next time I'll bring it and you'll have a good laugh)))

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Happy Friday, chingu!!!
I had to sub to MD to get the notification. Thanks for sharing! He looks healthy and more fan scolding. LOL
Yay for new songs to add to my ever growing play list!❤️

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YT stopped giving me any notifs a while ago, not sure why - maybe it just gave up trying to find any logic in my search history))) Meaning I have to keep myself updated on everything MANUALLY...

Yes, it's nice to see him coughing fake blood ONLY when cameras are rolling. Still far from perfection, but I'm not picky))) Fan scolding was quite tame this time - not even a word about all those pics/videos of his partially undressed overheated self... Doubt he's unaware, so maybe just stopped to care?

I'll believe it when I hear it! He's been talking about new album - and tour - since forever, yet only keeps taking drama right after drama... Not that I'm complaining, but objectively the balance is quite off rn. If he truly wants to make more music, he should give himself time to do so, another show 100% can wait.

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I've been rather lazy. I just told myself to wait for OT on Friday. @gikata will cover it. LOL
Well, I will show up as long as it's a historical drama.

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Being lazy is a sacred right!

Does that mean you wouldn't be interested in that psycho genius villain thriller he keeps loudly wishing for?)))

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Why does American Psycho come to mind? That would be great for a change.

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@kiara ha, I WISH cdramas with all their current limitations had the balls to produce something like that! Or pretty much anything with fully villain protagonist. But it's virtually impossible beyond, perhaps, him guest-starring as a baddie in some non-idol production. Why would he circle back to essentially what he started his acting career with is another question. Personally I'm more into stylish mob boss idea rather than yet another fictional evil genius...

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Happy Friday! Thanks for another set of LYN goodies! 🥳

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CLIFF NOTES FROM 9TAILEDVIXEN'S 2ND WEEK BACK AT WORK:

(a) Post-Sabbatical Week 2

I've been working steadily and making sure I finish work before 9pm most days. So the post-sabbatical bottleneck is gradually being whittled down to manageable levels and hopefully I'll be all caught up by the end of next week.

(b) Aerial Yoga

My wonky knee and ankle are still healing so I haven't been attending as many classes as I wanted to. I've kept it to Thursday morning class for the past couple of weeks because that instructor is wonderful at teaching beginners and she very helpfully focused on flows that accommodate my knee and ankle.

I can do cool inversion (upside down) poses now like hanging by my legs and doing a silks-assisted handstand before pulling myself up into a double hip-lock that safely suspends me mid-air.

(c) This Week in Korean Women's News

1. Educational rebalance could get more South Korean women working

The advance of women in South Korea has emerged from the country's heavy investment in education. As a result, girls now outperform boys on various educational metrics including college enrollment rates, which as of last year stood at 78% for girls and 74% for boys.

This, in turn, has helped boost female labor market participation, which reached a seasonally adjusted level of 56.4% in February, the highest recorded since South Korea began releasing figures in 1999.

Yet South Korea still lags badly in gender equality, with its female labor market participation rate remaining considerably lower than that of other members of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Educational-rebalance-could-get-more-South-Korean-women-working

2. The rise and fall of North Korea - the sleeping giant of women's football

Despite living standards being well behind most other nations, North Korea has been one of the strongest female football nations on the planet.

When they took on the United States in 2007, they were ranked fifth in the world and amid a run of three Asian titles in the space of a decade.

Their record at youth level is even better. In 2016, they won the U20 Women's World Cup, defeating Spain, the United States and France in the knockout rounds. That same year, their under-17 team also lifted their age-grade World Cup.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c4ngy9xjpzro

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Friday open question re: Cdramas.

I've seen a number of mentions related to cdramas such as "...S+ Level drama". This ranking seems to have something to do with the quality of the production team on a drama? Does anyone have more information on this practice they'd like to share, or provide historic context for same?

With thanks in advance...

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S+ Level C-dramas are those that have bigger budgets, a more renown cast, and bigger investments (from the network’s side and sponsor’s side). I hope this helps!

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Does this mean they are also more heavily censored? So for example, does a low budget production have a better chance of sneaking a slightly subversive message by the government authorities who review television productions? @gikata is this the case?

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I would say yes!!
There was an entertainment industry crackdown on C-Ent. in 2020 and many things were audited and tighter regulations seemingly were put into place, but now and then—even to this day— I’ve seen LGBTQ+ themed dramas still being able to go under the radar and be streamed online. Such may or may not only be available on the international version of a network’s streaming app (which, being on the “international” front—and not domestic—the terms and conditions on the contract might be different) but I’d still call it a win 🥰🥰 Because of VPN (which, I’m sure is how C-celebs watch things on Netflix 🤭 Since the streaming platform isn’t available in China)— although, I know that there has been a crackdown on VPNs in China recently, so things may change

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It only works with mini-dramas, not the full length ones - I think there are separate guidelines for each format. And, of course, dramas that want to air on TV get through even more scrutiny regardless of their budget. Doesn't seem like there is any legit cost-based pattern here: many small budget super niche shows still get grinded heavily - SNOW FALL and ETERNAL BROTHERHOOD being recent examples.

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Maybe! The NRTA is always changing things up. The last I checked, there was only different guidelines for webdramas vs. tv dramas. Honestly, when I saw the one of the post-2020 costume BL dramas saying that it’s airing on MDL, I was surprised 😮
I’m not sure I’d call Snow Fall “small” (“niche”, yes, especially with the vampire thing), as it has beloved Vengo Gao as the ML (Ouyang Na Na is also beloved, but more so on C-variety) and it was also a pretty big deal when Tencent first announced it, but that’s just me

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@bebeswtz never a dull day in cdramaland indeed!

I think SNOW FALL is A rank - famous PD, somewhat (but not super popular or expensive) famous leads, great costumes (there was a whole nerdy discussion about period-appropriate SHOES in it on my local site, for real!)... but also limited in numbers (I mean prominent roles) cast with many newbies, only a handful of sets used, very little CGI (and that was a BAD one) etc. I wouldn't call it expensive show - rather the one that used its budget especially wisely.

Cannot comment regarding an announcement hype - was it due to source material popularity? Being shelved for 2 years and then suddenly dropped with very little promo did not help either. I mean, if Tencent really had serious hopes for the drama, they wouldn't air it during freaking Olympics... in the middle of summer when it's obviously Halloween/winter season content...

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It's basically budget+expected investments, because due to censorship reviews practice dramas also get investments (used for promos, I think) AFTER successfully getting airing permit in addition to initial production ones. Those levels are fluid to a degree - a small budget drama which does well in viewership/charts can get "promoted" to higher status. Like THE DOUBLE, which was originally A level (average budget) drama but then show's popularity skyrocketed it into S+ ranks. As you can guess, it doesn't quite work the opposite way because you cannot realistically lessen drama's budget AFTER it was already spent)))

Iirc, ranks are: B (cheap), A (mid), S (high budget) and S+ (super high budget). Few times I heard about S++ projects too but I don't think it's legit, likely just fans trying too hard to hype their fave's upcoming show like some never-seen-before wonder. Notably, not all platforms use this scale - iQiyi does not have officially admitted S+ dramas, their most expensive in-house shows are still considered S. Which doesn't apply to co-productions, so I guess they're just a bit stingy when there's no one else to open the wallet?)))

This also a matter of prestige - being able to lead (esp as first billed) an S+ drama even on one platform means that actor is a big deal. And if they can pull it with others too, well...

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Oh gosh. So let me get this straight...please correct.

B = B movie kinda rating. Less investment, somewhat unknown performers. Story can be good but lesser production values, and it shows. (Film noir like TOUCH OF EVIL [1958, Orson Welles] is considered a B movie.)

A = middling everything from investment to production quality to performers. Limited distribution?

S = Big Budget productions. Top quality leads and production values. Distribution platforms sign on early?

S+ = Major investment, proven screenwriters, talented directors, award winning leads and top performers. Yang Yang and The Duke. Like that. Multiple distribution platforms?

Can anybody give me examples of each of these categories? Also, is there someplace that this is listed, that is such-and-such production is S level?

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Idk if drama ranks have anything to do with distribution - from my understanding, it's all on producers and their ambition for the show, so to speak. TV airing means bigger exposure, but also higher censorship (and additional review round, I believe), and not all genres/plots qualify. Also it's supposedly impossible to inflate TV ratings unlike with platforms own "heat" systems. So makers have to decide where and how they'll air their product after weighting all pros and cons. Of course, it's not unheard of for a drama to also eventually get picked for TV airing AFTER its initial web-only broadcast ended, quite a few hit dramas lately done that. Having multiple broadcasting platforms initially does not necessarily mean extra budget or expectations for the show either - sometimes platforms share or even toss to each other like a hot potato shows that are low on their priority list. In short, this is a really complicated topic.

Btw, while from my observations S and S+ shows usually have famous PDs, screenwriters can be total newbies. And boy, does it shows! Not sure I want to follow this logic chain very far... *horror flashbacks* Award winning leads? Nah, rather bankable stars. Actors with big critical acclaim usually act in "serious" dramas, which rarely practically need S+ budget beyond aforementioned huge star(s) paycheck.

For example, Yang Yang you're mentioned is not known for his great acting - and was panned quite heavily for his latest drama, to add insult to an injury - but he's still a textbook superstar that producers of S and S+dramas line up to get because he brings money/traffic/sponsors. Now this is simple)))

Examples of dramas... Idk, I am more often than not confused between B and A dramas myself. Guess when it looks REALLY awful and budgety it's B?))) S and S+ are most talked about in regard of rank/budget because people naturally have more expectations for them. Would've love to know the place where to get this kind of info systematically too, but alas... There probably ARE places. IN CHINESE)))

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Got it. Good points all. Once again, on a Friday, I now know more than yesterday. Thanks to all for taking time to respond.

I don't really know all that much about how the film industry in America works in modern times (golden days, I know a little more). But if you consider the censorship and government oversight on this industry in China, it seems to me you ultimately suppress quality of the productions. So much has to go right for a really excellent series or film to surface. And there is so much talent in China (not to mention in Korea--which is of course different), it just boggles my mind that there are still so many great productions. Awe.

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@cliosservant1846 you're welcome, this is an enjoyable discussion for me too)))

Ah, the modern era Hollywood... There's nothing much to say about it - unless you wanna rant for days. Guess I should be thankful that most of my favorite actors from there have already passed away (mainly from old age) or are this close to retirement so I have little to no reasons to care about that trainwreck anymore.

Censorship is a poison for any art, so I'm also infinitely amazed how there's still a watchable stuff from c-ent despite that huge obstacle to creativity. Wonder if situation is about to go worse in few years if its iron clutches won't loosen up at least a little... Surely it's not the greatest time for drama makers who keep losing big money left and right due to ruling party's ever changing whims.

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POSSIBLE UPCOMING SAGEUKS AND PERIOD DRAMAS
1. Apple TV+’s PACHINKO SEASON 2 (1945+). Airs: Aug. 23.
2. TVING’s QUEEN WOO. Airs: Aug. 29.
3. tvN’s JEONG NYEON. Airs: Oct. 12.
4. tvN’s WON GYEONG. Airs: Dec. ?
5. Channel A’s CHECK IN HANYANG. Airs: Dec. ?
6. TVING’s THE LOVE STORY OF CHOON HWA.
7. Netflix’s HONG RANG.
8. JTBC. THE TALE OF MRS. OK.
9. Disney+’s MURKEY WATER.
10. Disney+’s THE HOOLIGANS/LOW LIFE (1970s).
11. SERENADE/SARAENAEDAE.
12. HAESI’S SHINRU.
13. HANDWRITTEN/LITERALISM.
14. tvN’s MILJU.
15. SECRET MEMOIRS OF SUSEONG PALACE.
16. Netflix’s WHEN LIFE GIVES YOU TANGERINES.
17. MADE IN KOREA (1970s).
18. MBC’s THE SCENT OF PLUM BLOSSOMS.
19. DELUSION (Horror-1935, 1800s).
20. JTBC’s GOD’S BEADS.
21. SBS’s RETURN TO THE PALACE.
(Note: This list is totally unofficial and what I have picked up from the usual kdrama sources in english and generally in the order I became aware of them. Dates are from MyDramaList. As you see there is not much information for many of the dramas on the list. I probably have missed some. Feel free to add, amend or correct the above listing.)

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This is handy! Thank you for compiling...

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Thank you @marcusnyc20, bong-soo!

I will watch - Queen Woo, Hong Rang, Serenade (Yeo Jin Goo), and The Scent of Plum Blossoms (MBC).

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Yeo Jin-Goo in a sageuk \o/

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I keep forgetting about that one, but yes, pls!

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He hasn't done his military duty yet. He'll probably finish college and this drama and then go off to his two-year service.

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@kiara goodness, he's already at that age? How fast the time flies! All the more reasons to tune in if it's gonna be his last before enlistment project.

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You are welcome @kiara.
I will definitely be checking out Yeo Jin-goo’s SERENADE if it is available to me.
I should have indicated that No. 16, Netflix’s TANGERINES, the Lee Ji-eun (IU), Park Bo-gum romantic drama set on Jeju Island supposedly takes place in the 1950s. So a period drama. No availability angst so I will definitely check this one out also.
I am leaning to checking out QUEEN WOO once again if available. If Paramount+ ultimately becomes the streaming source that would preclude my watching.

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I hope @wishfultoki will join us and @pakalanapikake in spirit. 😇

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I just saw BTS' Jimin's father signs autographs and even planned on holding a fanmeet? For himself just because he's Jimin's father?!

Wow, that is so... Korean? Asian? Is that offensive?
I just can't see something like that happening anywhere else. Like it's one thing to use your kid's fame and money but actually be treated as a mini/pseudo celebrity? It just makes me think of how the family is so interconnected in everything so when someone is "good" everyone is considered good and when someone is considered "bad" everyone is considered bad.

Jimin is a huge celebrity so his father becomes a celebrity? And folks are just okay with that?

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If my kids were celebrities, I wouldn't be caught dead signing autographs or at a fanmeet or nothing. Honestly, this is just ... trading on your offspring's good fortune and hard work is sad.

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I actually think that sinse the child probably earns more than anyone in the family and probably works more than hard enough for it, it's nice that the dad can do something himself and not just, e.g., pester the boy to hold an extra signing. It's weird that people actually want to go to that signing, but well, ... 🤷🏻‍♀️
I have been following some authors on SoMe and seen the bucket of ice for their hand to endure signing ordered copies of books.
(I nearly wrote "bucket of eyes" which would have been strangely appropriate for a Neil Gaiman booksigning 🤣 ).
👀👁️👁️👀👀✍🏻👁️👁️👀👀

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@britney 's mention of celebrity culture reminds me of a totally unrelated news item I ran across yesterday, when I was looking up the cast of another kdrama. (Sorry if this is old news, I really don't keep up on celebrity gossip the way I should!)

Although I hate the toxic gossip and "scandal" mongering culture that seems, to an outsider, to dominate Korean popular entertainment almost more than in any other country, the one thing I have an amused tolerance for is the "shipping" of couples who star in romances. Its been going on in Hollywood gossip for more than a century, and as intrusive rumors go, its relatively harmless, since it doesn't involve ginned-up censure or outrage that kills careers.

I appreciate that fans want to see fictional love be translated into the real thing, since it gives a show's fantasy grounding in real life. Also, production companies, agencies, even the actors themselves have a pr interest in encouraging speculation about whether the romances being shown on the screen are "real" or not -- hence the many "behind the scenes" shots released that show the actors actually holding hands when they don't have to! or kissing even more passionately than the story called for!

Its because we want to believe these relationships are real, yet are deep down aware of the artificiality of them, that I was particularly amused by the celebrity news that I ran across yesterday. Gong Min-Jeung and Jang Jae Ho are going to be married, having been long time acquaintances, who cemented their romantic love on the set of Marry My Husband.

For those of you who didn't watch this show, they played an estranged couple, where Jang Jae Ho's character was a repulsive cheating husband, and Gong Min-Jeung's character took the courageous step of standing up to divorce him--in other words, exactly the opposite of any couple you'd "ship." And yet...behind the scenes... So, as the gossip news sources always say when announcing a relationship "congratulations to the happy couple!"

(As a postscript, I've always liked Gong Min-jeung as an actress--she plays these intelligent, self-aware characters, often as a voice of wisdom foil to the FL.)

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Awww, cute))) Reminds me of TWO WEEKS (2013) hilarious romance bingo, where FL and SML actors (playing a largely one-sided engaged couple who eventually break up so FL can get back together with her first love/baby daddy ML) dated and got married after filming.

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That was interesting to learn because I wondered *when* they started dating. Were they dating when the boob touch was shot? Were they dating when it was mentioned during some press thing? Were they dating during the press conference when the pictures were taken?

I thought Joon Gi must've felt so embarrassed haha
Even though they're all actors and blah blah blah. It still must've been weird/awkward.

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Lol, I completely forgot about that scene... Yes, must've been quite awkward, since he was always pretty shy around his female costars in general.

I think they were already dating when drama aired? They must've AT LEAST kept in touch after filming to go relatively quick from coworkers to openly engaged couple.

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LOL one of the headlines shouts, "From Screen to Reality!!"

Let's hope not! 😬

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Really? That's funny. Obviously they didn't watch the show!

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Gong Min-jeung is a wonderful supporting character in Marry My Husband just as you described and helped to ground the drama and the FL in reality. Her acting truly reminds me of the dutiful sticks to the rules type that I've known in real life. I like that the drama treats her well and with humanity. Their real life relationship arc is as non conforming as the dating news between the female villain/bully and ML in The Glory. Maybe this is the secret to a long-lasting relationship? That real life individuals and their drama characters can and should be completely different from the events on the screen.

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I thought that actress was already married so I was confused by "Marry My Husband" couple getting married haha
Like what couple was in there?! Haha

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I’m always a bit puzzled when a Kdrama character gets trapped in the trunk of a car fully conscious and—especially—unbound. In the USA, every passenger car built after 2002 is required to have a trunk release mechanism built inside the trunk to prevent someone from getting trapped with no means of escape. Is this not a requirement in South Korea? If it is, it would be great if dramas showed people escaping using the latch, to build public awareness of this safety feature. Not to mention avoiding yet another plot hole situation.

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I have actually been on semi-lookout for this, and I haven't yet seen a victim able to reach the latch. They have been bound or unconscious in the shows that I have noticed... In which show the victim was conscious and unbound?

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imagine if real life technology invents some kind of sensor on trucks in Korea that prevents contract killers from running over characters? omg what will dramas do? where do writers go? it would cause havoc in the drama industry.

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Maybe if they didn't have so many deserted 8-lane roads it would be harder for trucks of doom to get away with it.

I think some newer cars have safety sensors to detect a person or object in a vehicle's path in order to avoid collision. I don't know whether it actually stops the vehicle or just emits a warning signal.

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They will simply show characters blithely walking out in front of speeding white trucks multiple times, confident that the truck will stop, and each time the trucks screeching to a halt-- until one, that is, reprogrammed by the villain, overrides the system. It could reinvigorate the whole truck of doom genre by creating a new subtrope --white truck of doom russian roulette!

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I've got a mind like a sieve—I can't even remember what I watched yesterday, much less a week or month ago. It was something I watched fairly recently (maybe a film and not a drama series?) that had this situation. There are other shows where I've seen a captive get free from their bonds but stilll not use the latch. I will need to start keeping notes.

Have you actually seen a show where someone deploys the latch?

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My mind is like a sieve too! I wouldn't have replied if I hadn't actively been thinking about this very subject.

No I haven't. I just know that I have been constantly thinking that the latch needs to be somewhere that a bound person can reach it. Although I don't know what would a bound person do after opening the trunk, especially in the aforementioned deserted roads!

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If you were to throw me into the trunk of my own car you'd have me, because I don't have a clue where it is. Okay, I just Googled it. I'll now be able to escape being locked in my trunk.

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This is a valid point too. People might simply not know where it is. More reason to put it somewhere obvious and very much accessible/visible.

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It doesn't seem to be in a consistent place. You can check your car's manual or search online for the specific location for your car make/model.

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If victims escaping the trunk becomes a point to consider, they will probably need to put it in the same place for all makes/models.

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The law was passed in the USA partly through the advocacy of a couple who had been kidnapped—locked in the trunk of their own car with their infant son still strapped into his child seat in the backseat. Quite a horror story!

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I've written a lot of very critical hate posts on actors that I strongly feel were miscast, who didn't convince me they were meant to be their characters. I do feel bad about that, but then I remembered that there are very good reasons for getting upset that certain actors who are still very wet behind the ears in terms of their ability to do justice to their roles, that these actors keep getting juicy roles time after time. And here's my self-justification: Every drama is a miracle of a good screenplay, money, director, on set workers, supporting cast all coming together. It is a result of blood, sweat, and tears. Every staff member and technician is a professional and knows their stuff inside and out. Directors know their cameras, sound knows their mics, logistics know their schedules, warddrobe knows their fabrics, etc. There is no room for error, there is no tolerance for not mastering your craft. Nobody hires a makeup artist who can't do makeup. Shouldn't actors have a bare minimum of acting ability as well? All these people working for them, shouldn't the casting director at least cast actors who can deliver? I feel like some actors really aren't doing their part and they're less capable and trained than their counterparts behind the scenes. I have family in the film industry who worked grueling 12+ hour days behind the cameras who are specialists in their field. When you cast a mediocre actor with a pretty face with minimal training, you are disrespecting and making a laughingstock of all the staff members' toil. It's like their lives are worthless. As someone who has been very interested in directing, if I was ever lucky enough to get my hands on a quality script, there are definitely actors who I will never allow to step food on my set. Their lack of acting ability and lack of training and experience is an insult to everyone's hard work.

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So, so true... Especially in the light of all the nepo-babies in showbiz worldwide. No other profession would hire just on the basis of parents' names, except maybe politics LoL. It's stupid to see actors who can barely string sentences together be given opportunity after opportunity because of their parents' stardom. Their films are often flops, and like you say, negates all the training and hard work of the other professionals around them. I've also heard that actors are selected based on their social media following, which often doesn't translate into views or tickets though. I don't know how it works in South Korea, though I guess nepotism is largely looked down upon.

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"I've also heard that actors are selected based on their social media following" *shakes head* sigh. call me crazy but more than half of the well known actresses who regularly headline dramas, like 75% of them, I feel like they don't really embody their characters and have enough screen charisma. And as you mentioned, being able to speak the lines well is also a very important part of acting. I can't speak Korean so I don't know about K-dramas, but I can understand Mandarin, and some of the actors they have in Taiwan are always mumbling and/or have awful awkward timing. They're always pausing in the middle of their sentences for dramatic effect. It's so unnatural. That's why I stopped watching Taiwan dramas. heh

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Has anyone else noticed that long-promised IU/Bogum period drama 'When life gives you tangerines' (alt title 폭싹 속았수다 'You Have Done Well') never showed up? By the director of 'Mask Girl', I recall. Netflix doesn't usually sit on a completed drama for more than a year, do they? It maakes you wonder about the quality of the product if they just shelve the drama.

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They started promoting it in 2023 but it is not due for release until 2025!

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Same for Ask the Stars, right? With Gong Hyo Jin and Lee Min Ho.

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At this rate, I'll be watching Ask the Stars someday down the line with my grandchildren...

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Even though I haven't seen The Impossible Heir, I have watched some promo interviews with the cast and I liked their vibe. Especially the dynamic between Lee Jae Wook and Lee Jun Young. It would be nice if they could do another project together or vlog together haha

But the reason I mention them is for two things. 1: during one of their interviews, Jun Young mentioned how he's "short" and Jae Wook laughed since Jun Young is only 2cm shorter than him. Jun Young said he used to be considered tall and then all these taller actors showed up and I didn't think anything of it until I saw a scene of him in the Cinderella show where he was looking up at a male character. He really DID seem short! Haha. I never realized that actors seem to be getting taller. And I thought on average Korean guys were like 5'10- 6'1" (or 6'). I have no idea if this is accurate but I just absent mindedly thought that.

2: their off screen dynamic made me wanna see them onscreen. The clips I've seen of them in the show made me wonder why the show had to go in the direction it did. Why the betrayal when they could've just had an epic friendship? Was it not possible to turn the world upside down and have all 3 find happiness or satisfaction? I don't remember if this was an adaptation or original but still, it sucks that it couldn't go an unexpected route and have the guys stay together to the end.

Also made me think of how fun it is when real life friends team up in projects as friends or as enemies such as Lee Jung Jae and Jung Woo Sung. I don't know about all the real life interpersonal relationships of the actors but it would be cool if more casting like that happened.
Another pairing I think I wanna see together again: Lee Jong Suk and Shin Jae Ha.

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This might be more specific info than you are interested in, but... People's height has been shown to have a relationship to the quality of nutrition their Grandparents had. SK had a low calorie diet for most of this century, due to colonisation and war. So we are only now moving into a period where people's grandparents had a high calorie diet, and that is starting to influence the average height.
On the other hand, lower calorie diets have been connected to long life, so we might see less long-lived people in SK..
(Of course, a Really Low calorie diet is harmful to health, which also affects infant mortality, lifespan, etc)

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It's so weird to have something I want to watch this weekend. I can't wait for RITHouse's episodes and all the new dramas we're getting tomorrow. I hope these premieres are all great (delulu much).

Anyway, have a great weekend, beanies de mi heart.

PS. So many reports in this thread but there's nothing more newsworthy to me than @welh not being in the OT comment section.

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‘PS. So many reports in this thread but there's nothing more newsworthy to me than @welh not being in the OT comment section.’👈🏾It’s so true, I have grown to expect them to be the first comment on this post.

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Same! That's like my sign to remember it's friday.

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I recently watched a video about how the adaptation of a specific scene changed the feel of it and nuances of the characters.
In case anyone is interested: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U4od66oyD98&pp=ygUKTGFuY2Vsb3R0aQ%3D%3D

It made me think of drama adaptations. I can't remember many except all the different versions of Boys over Flowers. I think there's at least 5 and I think people often say this version is better than that version over any given one but I've always wondered how. What could it possibly be so different when the concept, characters, and characterizations are supposed to be the same.
Similarly, I saw someone mention the Chinese version of Moon Lovers is better than the Korean version. I haven't seen it and I didn't past episode 1 of the Korean version but again I wondered what was so drastically different that it stood ahead. I think the Chinese version is the original so it does have that going for it.

(Sorry I don't remember the folks who talked about it expect @gikata)

Anyhoo, to those who have watched adaptations as well as the original dramas, what do you think makes them stand apart? Even if it's small things like standing up and leaving vs staring blankly.

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I think a good adaptation takes the main points of the original story, improves the bad ones and adds specifities from its countries.

For example, the Korean version of Life on Mars changed the date the ML woke up, in the English version it was 1973 and in the Korean one it was 1988 because there were the JO in Seoul.

For Boys Over Flowers, the F4, the thai version, was really good because they gave to the ML a redeemption arc. In every version, he did bad things but because he was the ML, he was kinda forgiven. But in this version, he really worked to be forgiven.

Korean versions are not the best because they often add things like better clothes, places, etc and forget depth in the story and characters. For example, Hanazakari no Kimitachi e was a Jdrama where the FL is disguised as a boy and ends in a male dorm. The complicity and friendship in the characters of every dorm was really important, the chief of the dorm was a very respected student. But in the Korean version, they completely forgot about it, made the chief not taken seriously bot the others, etc...

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What does JO in Seoul mean?

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Oh sorry, I wrote it in French! It's Olympic Games.

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I'm texting a dear young friend who is going to Chicago as a DELEGATE to the Dem National Convention. I love Chicago having visited several times trailing hubby on a conference. I got to go out and experience a city that knows and loves itself. It loves music and movies and food - oh my, the food. Mostly I loved sharing space with black women which I did in high school in the Eastern USA, but not so much here in the mountain West.
How envious I am of my friend attending such a momentous occasion in such a great city. Happily, I pass the torch to a new generation of smart, savvy, mouthy & strong women. You go girls.

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I love, love, love Chicago ❤️

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My Mom went to the Democratic Convention in Chicago as a delegate in 1968, which of course was one of the most chaotic conventions in the 20th century. She had vivid stories of walking the streets with a handkerchief over her face because of the tear gas sprayed by the Chicago police, and then there was chaos on the floor of the convention center as well. It actually was one of the highlights of her life, though in the end something of a disaster for the U.S. as a whole.

I lived in Chicago for 5 years. It was my first college teaching job after teaching high school. It was a formative experience in all ways. Thanks to my wife finishing her Ph.D. and getting a prestigious post-doc, I was able to move back to California, the state in which I grew up. That was even better.

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"It loves music and movies and food - oh my, the food."

And baseball! And football, and hockey. And, Lake Michigan. It's a great midwestern town. This is a well-written book on the importance of Chicago in American history:

"Nature's Metropolis: Chicago and the Great West" 1991 by Bill Cronon.

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Fond memories of going to a pub at 8 AM to watch UK football (aka soccer) with other nutters then squeezing onto the EL packed with Cubs fans going to the season opener. They sang songs and laughed the whole way. Great sports town for sure. Thanks for the book tip!

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I adore Chicago too! I think you captured it so well: "a city that knows and loves itself"

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Next week Thursday, we will be dropping the first two episodes of Happiness for the Community Watch. If you want to join the discussion, please drop a comment ❤️

FYI we just finished Rain or Shine/Just Between Lovers and the last two episodes have ongoing discussion here:
https://www.dramabeans.com/members/Seeker/activity/1617241/

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I flew to SF then drove to Reno then back to SF for the weekend.

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Reno, oh NO! Are you in the plot of the 1939 film "The Women?"

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How is San Fran these days? I miss that city so much.

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Still “steep hilly.”
It is still rather laid back but traffic around bridges is a nightmare.
I went to a baseball game in Oakland by BART. I found where the American Dream died by the urban decay landscape.

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It sounds like neither SF nor Oakland have changed all that much. America is a land of great contradiction.

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@enriquequierecagar they are back! The weekend started later than usual☺️

@welh did you see that your absence from this post was missed on Friday? Welcome back 👋🏾

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It feels like friday, hahaha.

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Welcome back, welh. You were missed.
I hope you enjoyed the trip!

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