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Love Next Door: Episodes 3-4

This week we get to know our main characters a bit more. Whether it’s dreams they lost, dreams they forgot, or secrets they’re trying to keep, it’s clear our OTP is intertwined in all the ways… and that they care about each other more than they pretend not to.

 
EPISODES 3-4

Love Next Door: Episodes 3-4

Despite being cute and engaging (I’m enjoying it, I swear!) Week 2 has left me a bit disappointed with the writing. While I really like the thematic focus of each episode, the episodes are starting to feel like a bunch of coincidental circumstances and emotional happenings just to create the crescendo — the scene we came to see. Sure, plot should lead to delicious moments like this drama is curating for us, but when it starts to feel fabricated and predictable that’s a hint that the writing isn’t holding up.

In Episode 3 our main focus is dreams. Seung-hyo lost his, Seok-ryu can’t find hers, and never the twain shall meet. We learn through a super cute series of flashbacks to high school (which the show spends a lot of time doing) that Seung-hyo was a great swimmer and even made it onto the national team. But then when a random Truck of Predictable Swimmer Plot Doom hit him, he had to give up his dream. Perky Seok-ryu finally got him out of his depression, and honestly, if you like this storyline, just go watch Lovely Runner instead — it’s proof that these tropes can still have life if you write them well.

Love Next Door: Episodes 3-4

Seung-hyo might have lost his first dream of swimming, but he truly loves his present dream of being an architect, and in these episodes we see his idealism at play (more on that later). Seok-ryu, though, realizes through a series of deepish thoughts, that she never had her own dreams. Her dreams were always based on others’ perception of her, or expectations of her, or how her life looked from the outside. This “reboot” season of hers is proving really helpful for her — I love that it’s in the quiet and the daily schedule of nothing that she realizes this about herself.

It comes to a head when she’s asked by her once-homeroom teacher to speak in front of a class of high schoolers. As is Seok-ryu’s MO, she leans on their being impressed by her, and her identity as an over-achiever. But when she can’t answer their question about what she dreamed of being, that’s when she realizes she doesn’t know herself very well. (This is a great thematic bit, and I hope this stays as Seok-ryu’s primary arc!)

Because Seok-ryu is an oddball, she believes if only she can read the letter she wrote to her future self as a high-schooler, she’ll immediately be able to reclaim her old dreams. We all know it doesn’t work like that, but her slapdash, not-so-clever way of banging through life is what makes this character endearing.

Love Next Door: Episodes 3-4

While she’s at the high school, who does she run into but Seung-hyo. He’s there for work, dreaming of putting in a bid to rebuild the school’s gym (aka, the place where his swimming dreams died). All through these episodes Seung-hyo and Seok-ryu are in a continuous cycle of sparring, bickering, or supporting each other. It’s cute for now, but it’ll get old fast if this is the main dynamic of their adult relationship. So, I’m hoping the show reveals more maturity between them by the end of our show. Because I will be seriously annoyed if the end point of our drama is these two bickering like teenagers to the tune of the wedding march. Anyway.

At their high school, Seung-hyo and Seok-ryu try to locate and dig up the time capsule (and letters to self) they once buried, but it takes the whole episode for it to happen — and honestly, if you like this storyline, just go watch Lovely Runner.

Later, Seung-hyo finally has the time capsule, and our leads are both coincidentally at the school again. Because this is a K-drama, our leads wind up chasing each other around the indoor pool, when Seung-hyo jumps in to escape Seok-ryu’s wrath for reading her letter. Is it me or did it suddenly get hot in here? (Seriously, what is it about heroes and pools?) Seok-ryu — who cannot swim — jumps in after him, and we all know how this goes. There was never a pool scene in dramaland that didn’t lead to serious sexual tension and/or skinship, and it’s obvious at this point that this entire plot arc – and entire episode — were building to this moment.

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After their bickering quiets, we cut back to the pool, where Seung-hyo is teaching Seok-ryu how to float in the water. This moment, in and of itself, is incredibly intimate, but then as they’re talking he asks her if she regrets leaving her big-name company, and she says no. Then he asks if she regrets breaking off her engagement, and she says no again. Just then, Seok-ryu loses her floating confidence, Seung-hyo grabs her securely, and it’s such a perfect, loaded moment that I want to bask in it for much longer than the drama lets us. (They squabble their way out of that scene and break the tension.)

Our next episode continues Seok-ryu’s search for her dreams. But much to Seok-ryu’s disappointment (and our non-surprise) hubris-filled teenage Seok-ryu didn’t know her dream then either outside of words like “best” and “prettiest.” Seung-hyo’s letter, however, reveals a truth we suspected last week: he has loved her since forever and honestly, if you like this storyline, just go watch Lovely Runner. “But not anymore!” Seung-hyo tries to convince himself, being all kinds of awkward trying to hide the letter from Seok-ryu, and the contents of the letter from his own heart. Good luck with that.

While all this dream-searching and time together is happening, there’s a lot going on in the background for Seung-hyo and his company Atelier In. He’s moved back to his parents house because plot reasons, and their family environment is as cold as ice and a stark contrast to the loud, emotional, vibrant house Seok-ryu grew up in next door. At work, his company is struggling, and Seung-hyo’s high ideals won’t pay for their brand new building or wacky employee.

Unfortunately/fortunately, Seung-hyo would rather work on the high school gym remodeling project for nostalgia and closure when there’s also a mega deal on their plate to build some luxury housing. Seung-hyo can literally not stomach the snobbery of these people, and as that prospect crashes and burns, he has an argument with his partner YOON MYUNG-WOO (Jeon Suk-ho) about the company. Just when they’re continuing to flail, another deal appears on the horizon: a building for… Greip! That’s right, the very company that Seok-ryu left. And to quote her directly, she’s not sure “if I quit or they forced me out.”

It’s at this point where this week’s writing really suffered for me — and I don’t mean the motley attempt at business-level English, although that was pretty bad too — but just overall, this entire arc felt contrived. Of all the companies to reach out, it’s Seok-ryu’s. Of all the people to send them the email expressing interest, it’s a woman Seok-ryu knows. And when they all meet together in Seoul, who appears but a slimy ex-coworker CHRIS who once made a living mockery out of her. (Okay, points to the writer for this guy not being her ex-fiancé, which I was convinced was happening at first).

In case you’re wondering why Seok-ryu is attending business meetings with Seung-hyo and Myung-woo, it’s because they hired her on the spot to help them with their English and with any intelligence she had around Greip to help them win the bid. Seok-ryu tries to talk Seung-hyo out of it, telling him they’re an awful company and she overheard that the bid is just for show, but his ideals hold and he stays the course.

Love Next Door: Episodes 3-4

This all culminates in a giant mess of a meeting between Greip and Atelier In where the tensions rise the more this Chris character acts out. And the present-day scene is interspersed with the humiliation Seok-ryu dealt with from him back in the U.S., and Seok-ryu is so traumatized she gets up and runs out.

Seok-ryu’s upsetness leads to a confrontation with Chris which leads to the moment this was all written for: Seung-hyo rushes onto the scene in hero mode and protects her while Seok-ryu puts Chris in his place. Long story short, it actually ends quite well. The other Greip rep turns out to be quite human after all, and not only does Chris get fired, but the bid for one of the buildings is awarded to Atelier In.

This is all well and good, but this entire arc just felt so forced, from the way Seok-ryu was suddenly working for them to the way the reps were suddenly in Korea for a meeting. The passage of time felt off from the rest of the drama, but I guess if the sole purpose was for Seung-hyo’s (highly attractive) protectiveness to come out, I guess it was worth it? (Dramas are made for these moments, after all; I’m just used to strong lead-up, I think).

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Frankly I’m also a little disappointed with our second lead loveline. After last week, paramedic Mo-eum left heart-eyes in reporter KANG DAN-HO (Yoon Ji-on) after her kindness, and I loved where we were heading.

This week, Dan-ho does the same for Mo-eum — attracting her attention with random kindness — but she doesn’t know the “superhero” she’s crushing on is him. And this is where it gets annoying, because the two characters who were constructed on selfless kindness and generosity are suddenly acting uncharacteristically petty this week. What happens is that Dan-ho’s just moved into their neighborhood, and every time he heads to the convenience store, he and Mo-eum want the exact same item and get into a squabble over it. I’m so over their squabbles already, and the impending reveal to Mo-eum that this is her dream man holds very little appeal, actually. Let’s hope they change it up next week because I was enjoying the random acts of kindness that were bringing them together; it was a refreshing bit of meet-cute, and I want it back.

Speaking of couples coming together, that’s the note we end on for Seung-hyo and Seok-ryu, too. In a bit of mirroring, we see how Seok-ryu glomped Seung-hyo when he won his swim competition back in the day. And now, in the present, she glomps him again when he gets the Greip deal. Poor Seung-hyo can barely keep it together, so perhaps he’s ready to admit to himself that the contents of the letter he wrote in high school are still extremely current.

 
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These two episodes weren’t my favorite. It was a bit of step down from the first two.

I didn’t particularly enjoy the workplace scenarios from her past. The acting and writing was quite cringe. And a Car of Doom??!!!

Did the second leads take a character U-turn? Who acts this way in convenience stores? does the writer think only bickering is a way to express liking someone??

I still like our leads. Their attraction is subtle and nice to see. I get his reluctance because he values her friendship more.

I enjoy the architect office colleagues. They are fun. Na Yun (?) is cute and fun. And also perceptive.

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I really appreciated the office colleague this week! I’m glad that she has more to her personality than a crush on Seung-hyo, and when she sat down and was like, “I’m good at counseling.” I was kind of worried but then she really was!

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The scenes with Greip (an obvious fruity reference to Apple) were an interesting mix of likely and unlikely. I've worked in high tech for 35 years, mostly in Silicon Valley. I've never worked for Apple but I currently work for another very large hardware/software company. The one thing that really stuck out as Not Very Likely was how she was teased for being a hard worker who would and could do everything on the team; IRL those are the people you desperately want on your team and fear when they are on someone else's team. Especially if they are a product manager (I would kill to work with a Product Manager like her!) you know they are going to go places sooner or later. Two more likely scenarios would be: 1. she overhears Chris (who is believable as a nasty gaslighter, there are those in every business) talking to other managers and he is trashing her performance because he doesn't want other managers to know how hard-working she is and try to steal her, or 2. she overhears Chris talking to a bunch of engineers and they are trashing her lack of tech knowledge which means she is always chasing the wrong answer and beating her head against a wall. Other stuff felt spot-on: the gossiping, the whole marketing spiel about working with one another, the sudden firing of Chris (actually as soon as he touched her head I knew he was toast; they got him on other stuff but that's sexual harassment in any HR department). Another really likely aspect is her lack of self-esteem after graduating from Cal; my daughter also graduated from Berkeley and while it is a great school you are surrounded by so much high-flying fabulousness it's almost impossible to get out with your self-esteem intact. Doubting yourself and your abilities is a way of life there, at least in STEM.

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Wow. Appreciate your deep insight on this. Also your CV sounds so fabulous ( literally a dream for a to-be computer engineer like me).

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Fascinating read! Thank you.

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As a fellow Cal grad, my experience was a slightly different but I think relevant to this show. I had plenty of intellectual self-esteem and confidence in my preparation (as I am sure your daughter does) but because I wasn't from Stanford, MIT, or any of the private Ivies, my education didn't necessarily have the same social prestige as my high school acquaintances who went to Stanford and immediately stepped into big corporate jobs, or went to high profile graduate, medical and law schools without the same high test scores of some of my Berkeley fellow students.

It made absolutely no difference to me, but relevant for this show, I could see that social cachet being important for a young Korean woman with weak English skills in terms of the amount of respect she'd get in a high flying U.S. tech company. If she was a Harvard or MIT grad, absolutely no one would be patting her on the head!

My son, like you in high tech, has experienced a bit of that anti-public university prejudice as a graduate of Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, which you from Silicon Valley might be familiar with as a strong computer, engineering and architecture school, but does not have the recognition to immediately open doors for him, especially outside of California. (He's done fine, though, as, again, I'm sure your daughter has as well.)

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Actually these days, as far as actual tech careers are concerned Cal has a lot more street cred than Harvard or any of the Ivies (although I am sure they still rule in Sales and Marketing). I would put MIT at the top of the heap, followed by Cal and Caltech and Carnegie Mellon, but kudos to your son Cal Poly is not far behind!

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Thanks! As an alum, I'm very happy to hear this! Go Bears!

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As another Cal alumni (recently graduated!), I agree that a UC Berkeley Computer Science or EECS degree is very well regarded, especially in Silicon Valley. Seokryu's title of Product Manager is an especially sought-after position, so I was also surprised that she was so disrespected in the show. Realistically, I think the main thing Seokryu could have been judged for was her English skills, but given Chris' English, that would have been ironic haha. Anyways, Go Bears!! Happy to see so many of us in the comments :)

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Great read, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I loved how you talked about feeling self-doubt when one is surrounded by elite grads from private Ivies.

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Great read, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I love how you talked about feeling self-doubt when one is surrounded by elite grads from private Ivies, especially in high-tech companies.

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Smart people know the landscapes of knowledge they don't have and get to daubt themselves. Dumb people only see what they know or even think they know and become super confident.

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*doubt

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I can relate to this actually...I was the "big fish"/valedictorian at my mediocre high school but pursing my EECS degree at Berkeley really did a number on my self-esteem. It was pretty intimidating being surrounded by so many smart people. Same for working at big tech/FAANG companies, I've always doubted my own abilities. Being an Asian women and socialized to be "humble" and self-effacing didn't help either. I've never experienced the abuse her character experiences but I can totally relate to feeling overwhelmed and burnt out working in big tech.

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I loved this pair of episodes, but the convenient store meetings of the second leads felt so contrived. Mo-eum stood in front of the drinks fridge and opened the door first and Dan-ho reaching in front of her to grab the drink was rude and breach of normal human etiquette. And then he compounded that rudeness by not giving up the drink. And for the lollipop: Mo-eum entered the store first and Dan-ho must have rushed to grab that lollipop. There could have been other ways to have them bicker, but that was the weirdest and rudest and doesn't seem in line with his character.

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I've noticed, too, that it was not technically possible for him to just grab the same item at the same time as her, so as to have a reason for not giving it up. Frankly, it makes him look like a bully, which is not his character.

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I agree about the second leads, their squabbling was not doing it for me. Like which 33 year old in their right mind cares about getting the flavor of drink or lollipop they want at the expense of being a jerk to someone you are supposed to admire? But honestly that’s the only issue I had this week. Sure, it’s a lot like Lovely Runner, and sure, it’s not super original in other ways, but I love dramas like this, and I’m not sick of their bickering at all. Maybe those Big Scenes are just doing it for me hahaha!

One thing I noticed more this week (and need to go back to figure out what they were for last week) is the title of the episode changing at the end. Ep 3 went from “Stop Line” at the beginning to “Start Line” as they were in the pool together at the end and Seok-ryu had just said she wouldn’t go back and change things even if she could. Then Ep 4 changed from “Past Perfect” to “Past Perfect Continuous” as Seung-hyo’s heart is racing for Seok-ryu all over again. Y’all know I love a grammar reference and this one was so sweet and perfect!

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Also loved the grammar refs!

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Oddly enough, I'm not seeing a lot of commonality between this and Lovely Runner. Yeah, there's a swimmer and a loveline that has been on simmer since high school, but he's not headed for a showdown with suicide and she's not a) perky b) optimistic c) self-assured or d) madly in love with our hero for time immemorial. Watching her crumble in front of her office nemesis, that's nothing like LR.

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LR spent around 6 episodes in their highschool years. The focus of the story is very different.

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Yeah I agree with both of you. There are certainly some common plot points but they aren’t striking me as super alike. Mostly the thing I thought was similar was having to change your dream after a swimming career ended, but swimming is pretty much kdrama’s favorite sport so it’s bound to pop up sometimes.

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I'm not seeing Lovely Runner in this either. I felt like Lovely Runner was more about the development of a 2-decade long sweeping romance, while this drama felt like the romance and the self-reckoning and re-prioritization that you go through in your 30s are equally the themes. I'm in my late 30s, but I remember being 32/33 and wondering if I want to continue what I'm doing career-wise.

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I think that’s part of why Doctor Slump, Welcome to Samdalri, and this drama are working for me especially right now. I am the same age as these characters and like what I do, but am in the middle of some self-reflection trying to decide if it’s what I want to stick with moving forward. I’m finding Seok-ryu really relatable as I try to remember what passions led me into this field in the first place and whether this is still what I want. I’m glad I haven’t had any traumatic work and personal experiences that prompted it though!

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Episode Titles: Sense of Time & Timing l Of Ends & Beginnings
Ep 3: Stop Line => Start Line
Ep 4: Past Perfect => Present Perfect Continuous
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I really like how they continue to develop the thematic leitmotif of Time & Timing from eps 1-2 (ceiling symbolism & shooting stars) into eps 3-4.

Ep3: Stop Line & Start Line
We witness a whole series of endings & new beginnings, and also the death and burial of past dreams & hopes and its possible resurrection in the present.

Some notable ones (of 1st & 2nd CP) include:
(1) SH's athletic aspirations cut short (stop); his pivot to architecture (start)
(2) SR's Greip career crash (stop); a search for a new dream by revisiting the past and digging up a buried time capsule (start)
(3) Mo-eum's shift of romantic interest/role models: from super-heroes like Batman & Spiderman (stop) to eco-warriors or "strong silent guys with drive" aka Mudflat Man! (start)
(4) Dan-ho's priority shift for work-life balance: from staking out a target for weeks (stop) to knocking off on time (start)

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Some really beautiful variants on Stop Line/Start Line for me:
(a) When SH pivots from the high-end retirement home project to fixate on renovating his High School gym
(b) the swimming pool scene

The etymology of the word "retirement" literally means "act of retreating, act of falling back", or to "withdraw from society". It spells death and the end of life -- an ironic and painful reminder of how SH also had to "retire" as an elite athlete.

Yet, even though both spaces (retirement home/gym pool) conjures up a sense of ending (one literal; the other symbolic) for SH, he gravitates towards the gym -- because the place of death can also be the place of resurrection.

And THIS is where we segue to the swimming pool scene, and WHY it is working so well for me on so many levels:

(a) For SR, it was her first time diving into the deep end of the pool on a dare (she can't swim) -- START LINE
(b) For SH, it was his first time back in the waters since his swimming career ended -- START LINE
(c) Not to mention that series of very revealing hypothetical questions they direct to each other: "If you could go back and choose again, would you...?" (so loaded...)

I like how it was such an understated yet quietly emotional scene of resurrection; a baptism where you symbolically first get buried under water in death to rise up again in the newness of life. A resurrection of dead dreams, buried hopes, even lost seasons of life past.

Comeback Kids: recall the flashback to his swim competition, when the pistol sounded at the start line, he dived off the board almost a full second after everyone else. As in love, he is a late starter and slow bloomer YET he regained lost ground and came from behind to win. A full 6-place comeback.

I can't wait to see how they both make their comebacks -- on all the fronts that matter to them...

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Ep 4: Past Perfect => Present Perfect Continuous
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Again, so many layers to unfold with examples abounding in Ep 4, but I will just highlight the key one (that matters the most to us!)

Past Perfect: Two events - both in the past - with one event happening before the other (even further back in the past).

Flashback: SR came to support him at the (1) swim meet (past perfect tense) prompting SH's (2) epiphany (simple past tense) that there has been no moment where he hasn't liked her.

CUT TO: A mortified present-day SH confronting the contents of his love confession letter AND insisting those *feelings* have EXPIRED (again, the theme of time & timing) oh delulu yoooou....🤣

The present perfect continuous: a verb tense used to talk about something that started in the past and is continuing at the present time.

We see this change right at the end of Ep 4 (I like how they cleverly did the SUPER on either side of the Namsan Tower)

Like a B.C. / A.D moment, with the watershed event and timeline dividing point being this moment of epiphany at the Namsan Locks Bridge when SR glomps SH...

Which prompts the epiphany flashback when he first realised he loved her then, then CUT back to the present -- his realisation that he has always been loving her even until now (present continuous)
His feelings have never "expired" in spite of his vehement protests and denials.
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P.S. Side gripe: With the copious references to Lovely Runner I would like to quote our Seung-jae's BFF when he declares sagely: "In a love confession, timing is everything!" (so true, dude)

The slowpoke SH really needs to get his act together. He realised he loves her as a teenager, resolved to confess in his 20s when they were both adults (missed his chance in US) and now in their 30s, he *still* doesn't know what to do with his hands when hugged by the love of his life??! (we need all hands on deck!! - pun intended - everyone in the show needs to play wingman now to nudge them together since one is clueless the other is shy)

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P.P.S.

I also like the little details in the story of how the childhood trio respond to TIME and how it uniquely showcase their distinct personalities.

Mo-eum took out the time capsule and read all the letters to their future selves ONE DAY AFTER burying it lol. She definitely believes in the first mover advantage; I understand why they made her a paramedic since time is always of the essence in life-saving.

SH & SR, on the other hand, went the other way and dug out the time capsule way past the due date (almost 6-7 years after the pact to open). They have - in a sense - missed their timing & golden window, YET life presents a second chance to them now.

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Thank you for all your nuanced views on this show... They reiterate why I love *this* one so much, as opposed to the others. Your recaps make me want to go watch the eps again through your lens, despite having already done so!

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The swimming pool scenes in episode 3 were really lovely, but I hated the whole Greip arc in episode 4. The writing and acting were flat and one-dimensional, like an afterschool special. Also, this is an ongoing complaint about Kdramas, but if you're going to write a character who has lived in the United States for many years, please hire an actor who actually speaks English fluently.

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Yes, the English wasn't great lol.

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Literally turned on closed captions for a few minutes because I found it difficult to understand 😅

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I wonder how far in advance do actors get the scripts that feature english and how long they practice when they know they'll have to speak english.

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The answer is at least months. Jo Yeo Jeong hired an English tutor for several months prior to filming HIGH CLASS, an English school set in Jeju.

I have read several actors have tried learning English in order to break into Hollywood but most fail. Learning a second language as an adult is very difficult.

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By the way, I am an ESL teacher, and I've also studied languages as an adult, and I have so much empathy and admiration for anyone who learns to speak a second language fluently. But I think the writers could just avoid setting the story in the U.S. if the actor can't speak English. There are a few who do, like Jung Ryeo Won and Han Ye Seul. (I remember there was a huge fuss in Korea about how terrible Daniel Dae Kim's Korean was in "Lost", so it goes both ways!)

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Han Ye Seul was born in California then moved to SK for modeling career. Jung Ryeo Won lived for a long time in Australia. Lee Byung Hun learned English from his US relatives. Gong Yoo and Rain were self taught but do not consider themselves fluent. Lee Seo Jin mastered English while in college in NY.

English is taught in SK schools through high school. However, many Koreans let their English skills lapse when they get into their 20s-30s if their work does not demand it.

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And then there is Taec.
(Lol, Taec and I have something in common (unbelievable right?) We both spent a good part of our youth in the Boston USA area.) In my case, ALL of my youth.

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I liked the arc because it was essential to getting her agency back. She left feeling humiliated but no longer, I think this will be a turning point for her.

As for the acting, I agree with you, but that's because it's always like this when they have English-speaking characters. I read an article somewhere about this. The pool of English-speaking actors is very small in Korea and they are hampered by communication difficulties on the set and given little time to prepare. It makes sense that you aren't getting talented actors.
I find that even with good actors, having to speak English makes their acting stiff and stilted, especially when they are portrayed as fluent speakers. At least in this case, it was acknowledged that Seok-ryu English could be better. But that's a bit unrealistic for someone who graduated from an English university and lived abroad for 10 years. She should be completely fluent and have just a bit of an accent. I should know since English is my second language.

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I got annoyed by the name Greip and how it was mentioned so much, i googled it and damn there’s legit a few companies called Greip. But i hope that’s the end of it for this drama, no more Greip in the coming episodes please!

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Bad. White. Actors.
Bad. Korean Actors: pretending to be "white"
Bad. ENGLISH!

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The truck of Doom, but just his leg, lol.

Also the English and "America" scenes were so bad, lol. No one and I mean no one in the US talks like "Peter and Susan" or "Chris" lol. That being said we needed to get from point A to point B and we got there. I mean the man follows her around like a puppy, how he doesn't realize he still likes her is crazy. Anyone with eyes can see that. Jung Hae In and hugs😜, they get him every time.

As for our reporter, he is obviously a single father or is at least raising a child. They were all in high school at the same time, but it is all good because our paramedic already likes his alien child. Win-Win.

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I fully did not connect them but you’re so right! I came out of that scene being like, “well that was random but I’m sure we’ll find out more later” but now I’m sure she’s his kid. His boss also mentioned that he used to go into the field for weeks but now he has more work-life balance (shock!) and obviously she prefers the workaholic. It’s probably because his wife died or something and now he’s the sole caretaker.

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Ohhhhh! I didn't even remember the boss saying something like that. I figured the relationship due the realtor saying how she wasn't trying to set up her daugher "besides he..." and then not finishing the sentence because of a call or something (but Seong Ryu's mom wasn't even paying to her by that point haha)

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I've completely forgotten what they said (or I couldn't make it out in the first place). What exactly do you mean by no one in the US talks like them?

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The way they were gossiping, the particular words they were saying. Someone found a translation service, input the words in Korean and had them translated into English. We just don't speak in that manner. Even the way they were taking advantage and talking about her, just isn't done that way in the states. Americans do take advantage and do gossip about coworkers, just not like that.

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I'm American but I don't know about the dynamics of an office setting. I truly don't remember what they said but I know in other kdramas, the english always or almost always sounds off; like it's not the way Americans or maybe native english speakers in general talk.

Sidenote: have there ever been kdramas when the characters went to England or something? Maybe Austrailia? Somewhere with a distinct speaking style?

But what you're saying also reminds me of Star Wars haha. I maybe a bit confused on the details but I think the legend goes when Mark Hamill and/or Harrison Ford was auditioning for it, they had some difficulty getting through the lines and one of them was like "George, nobody talks like this"
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And eventually someone was hired to rewrite/rework the script and the rest is history.

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Oh lol, also that SW story is funny.

The office stuff was just off, but I am rolling with it because I understand tehy needed to get some things done.

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George Lucas is famous for not being able to write dialogue. I read that’s why the prequel trilogy sounds so stilted, which is such a shame.

I’m with you, Kafiyah, the scene wasn’t flawless but I thought it did it’s job pretty well showing us why she would be so uncomfortable around Chris and making us curious about what happened a few years ago to make Seok-ryu take time away from work. But also maybe I should go to Korea to offer my services as someone with a very neutral-American accent? There seems to be an opportunity here!

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OK, this is going to blow your mind. Carrie Fisher worked as a script doctor even on that first Star Wars movie! I knew she was a script doctor but I had to Google to verify that she actually got her start on that first film. Though she might not have been paid for it. She was paid for it many times after that though! https://screenrant.com/carrie-fisher-script-doctor-movies/

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Yes. I noticed this in the flashbacks in the first two episodes, too. It's not only the accents. It threw me out of the story. I did get that it was interesting that Seok-ryu had taken a year off when she was 30 and apparently--didn't visit her parents then? Or maybe she did? Something about her taking time off without going to visit her mom seems suspicious.

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Even the gossipy nasty colleagues felt sorry for her, so it must be something serious.

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Yes, I thought he is the father, too, but my beef with parents in k-dramas is that they have waaay too much free time on their hands and don't spend a lot of time with their kids. I know it's for plot reasons, but still...
Was that 6-year old child looking for crop circles alone in the park? It seemed the scene took a while. Was there no adult to supervise her? I know Korea is a safe country, but still...

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I feel like they show kids wandering around by themselves nowadays to trick viewers into thinking raising kids is easy.

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Alternatively, to show that they are latchkey kids?

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Lots of countries have super different ideas about what it means to supervise a child sufficiently. One of my favorite shows is called Old Enough, and it is about Japanese kiddos going on their first solo errand. Most of them do it when they are 3 or 4, and they have done all those things with their parents before, but no one has a problem setting them loose in the city/town with a simple task and trusting that they can do it and will be fine. It’s super cute! The little girl in this drama seemed like she could take care of herself and was reasonably concerned about randos approaching her, so I wasn’t worried about her.

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I saw Japanese social videos about how kids are put into places (like crossing a busy road) and they wait for a stranger help them cross. And the wait is not long. In Japan, it is societal that children are the community's responsibility, too. It is a byproduct of children allowed to roam their neighborhoods, interact with their neighbors and just being kids.

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This habit of constant supervision and forcing your kids to be attached to your hip is new, even in America. Back when I was her age, parents encouraged or even threw you out the house in the morning and didn't expect you back until it was time to eat. Even younger kids. The older kids were expected to keep an eye out for them, and there were parents everywhere.

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Yes, today in my neighborhood it is the immigrant children who are out and about playing in the street. Today, suburban children are put into organized activities, like youth sports, where they are scheduled like pro athletes. Partly, these events are social settings for the parents.

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Although I’m not too high on how this story will move forward, It’s still a very easy watch nonetheless.

I’ll admit, I thought that Chris was the ex-fiance. And the classic wiretap is too predictable, co-CEO is too nice not to care. And when it comes to unemployment, Seok-ryu is definitely more relatable to me than I thought😂

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I thought Chris was gonna be the ex fiance too. Now I'm wondering of he's actually gonna make an appearance.

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I hope not. There can be no easy explanation for him showing up in Korea.
We did see him briefly in one episode where he was caught cheating. I assume we will get more details on that at some point, but that's good enough. I can see how being humiliated at work and cheated on by your fiance is enough of a reason to pull the plug and head back home.

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I always have to smile when ML and FL, when asked if they are childhood friends, vehemently emphasise each time that it's actually only their mothers who are friends and that's why they grew up together. Totally (un)believable, especially when you see how much they are there for each other.

It was clear from the start that ML had feelings for FL. But I'm glad ML thought he was long over it by the time they met again. I'm too much of a realist to find it romantic when someone is one-sidedly in love with one person for most of their life and doesn't act in any way to change it.
The comparison with MY LOVELY RUNNER wouldn't have crossed my mind, but that may also be because I wasn't overly enthusiastic about this drama and quickly forgot about it. LND, on the other hand, works much better for me.

Apart from the scene in the swimming pool, I liked the one with the voodoo love lock the best. K- superstition really does have the potential to become the latest export hit.

And Chris should definitely look at his own nose when he makes fun of other people's English. I hardly understood a word of what he said.

I now have fun guessing at the beginning of an episode what the episode title will be at the end. I was at least half right with ‘present perfect’ instead of ‘present perfect continuous’.

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Also not a fan of time travel so Lovely Runner faded off my screen. That show plus QoT almost convinced me that I'd lost my appetite for Kdrama.
LND is working for me even with the terrible trope baggage it is carrying. Maybe it will buck the trend of running out of good writing at the and and instead get stronger every week. We can only hope.

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Chris asking her to fix her English is the biggest joke!!

k-superstitions was LOL moment!!

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Why did they hire an actor who couldn't speak English for that role? There are so many fluent English speakers in Korean media! Maybe they just couldn't afford someone like that for the role?

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I so agree with you. I'm a bit annoyed with plots that involve childhood/high school loves who stayed single and didn't move on for a decade or more. It's romantic but not realistic. I like what they did here, which is having the ML put aside his feelings and move on, only to have everything come rushing back once he meets his love again.

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One of the things I dislike most about Kdramas on Netflix is that the english isn't subbed and it's always kinda low so I have to turn my tv volume up high only to still not be able to make out what's being said. I can't make out what's being said because english in kdramas isn't always great. I know I have to be patient since english is the foreign language but yeah, it's... something.

Once again the timing of events is weird to me. Exactly what could have been recorded and when that it was enough "evidence" to get the guy fired? Didn't he say most of insults before the guys got there? Was it the way he was speaking to her and how he was saying "you need to say please when asking for a favor?" Because after that Seong Ryu & the jerk moved a bit away (I think) and just her saying she could get proof of his terrible actions doesn't equal proof of it. Plus they were standing a bit away so how was that even recorded?! I know I should just go along with it but when that reveal scene happened, I was completely consumed with these questions that I didn't even retain much of the remaining time.

Also that 180 when jerk coworker was reminded he was in Korea and he was the younger one there made me chuckle. I don't know, I know it's about the respect hierarchy but he reacted as if now he was about to be beaten up by the government or something. "Yes sir, sorry sir" after only like *seconds* earlier being like "these bastards don't know their place, you bastard". It was just weirdly amusing to me.

So, I'm guessing the girl is the reporter's daughter or niece and he's raising her alone for whatever reason.
I like the little back & forth between the friend and the reporter.
This was the first time I've ever heard of a Durian flavored thing talked about favorably.

Sidenote: what a good memory the reporter has to vaguely remember a girl due to a random picture taken a decade or so ago haha

I felt bad for Seong Ryu. She was just trying her best and for that she was used, mocked, and mistreated. What a lonely experience.

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If you watch it on Netflix, you can turn on the CC English so it will be subtitled. I had to do that because it was hard to understand.

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I had similar thoughts. When was anything of note recorded? The only thing said that could qualify was during their confrontation outside the meeting room, but he wasn't there at the time.

I thought he was fired for awarding a winning bid to a supplier because of a personal connection, which is a big no-no. That makes more sense, even though it wasn't explicitly stated.

I also chuckled about the 180 turnaround. He went to the US when he was 10. He didn't grow up in that culture. Unless his parents were especially strict about inculcating those principles. American have much less respect for authority, and none for someone who is merely older than them.

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I don't agree with the Lovely Runner's comparison and the advice to watch LR instead.

Both dramas and characters are very different but overall their relationship. None of them is better than the other, just different.

There is a lot of bickering between the leads but under there is a lot of serious themes. He's an idealist and she's the pragmatic one, they need each other. I love the swimming pool scene, she loves to control things but she jumped in when she can't swim and could relax enough to float alone. There is a total trust in each other. I loved their new tradition to curse people on a padlock!

I didn't think it was weird she knew people from Greip. It's normal they will send people used to work with Korean people.

I like how she wants to do something like helping her parents or finding a new job but understood she needed time to find something she loves. I wonder what will be her dream job.

I'm curious about the one year gap in her CV.

SH is an idealist but I like his passion for his job and even if he's less interested in a project, he won't do anything by halves, he's a perfectionist. His family's situation is sad. The parents really need to talk! Because she's running away from home.

I wonder if Dan-ho has a cute daughter interested in aliens :p

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I like the floating scene a lot which encapsulates how these two are different but yet complements each other built on a trust solidly built over the years.

Ep 3 and 4 are fast and furious in disclosing so much back story. Hope the pace will smooth out.

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This show is starting to lose me. Episode 3 is the biggest offender, and quite frankly, the entire first half of that episode just felt boring, and the only thing that saved it was a better second half. Episode 4 as a whole was luckily better, but that's like going from something painfully mediocre to something that's at least kinda good.

But I'm also left wondering what this show is trying to be. It seems obvious, and that's probably the right answer, but I don't think it's fully working. Is the show trying to be a comedy? Well, it's not funny enough. Is it trying to be a sort of healing drama? Well, it's just not interesting enough. Is it trying to be a romance? Well, of course it is, and that's actually working, but that alone cannot carry a 75 minute episode, and it certainly won't be able to carry 16 episodes. And aside from the 4 leads and the co-worker/ partner, none of the characters really interest me either yet. The show does have some interesting themes, and story potential, but so far the writing just doesn't seem engaging enough. I know I seem harsh on this show, but I'm just left feeling very disappointed, and it's not a good thing when I constantly get the feeling that I've seen all of this done better elsewhere.

And, yeah, while I loved them in the first 3 episodes, the second leads also left me disappointed in episode 4. Why are they suddenly bickering like kids? Seriously, where did that come from? This works with the leads (for now), but here it just comes out of nowhere.

Oh, and speaking of coincidental writing, that kid that Mo-eum just so happened to meet is totally related to Dan-ho, isn't she? I'm actually hoping that's his daughter, because that would actually be a potentially interesting storyline.

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you said everything I'm feeling lol tbh you liked even a little more than I did. I just catn stand the bickering and now we got the second couple doing the same thing. I think this writer just likes writing this type of dynamic, maybe she should do school dramas more

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I like the bickering of the leads for now. Sure, it's childish, but at least I'm occasionally having fun with it, which is more than I can say for the rest of the show, which is severely lacking in fun.

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Yes to everything you said.
Nothing is working for me. Sadly, the romance seems to be the only highlight but the fact that their dynamic feels like siblings to me isn't helping (but I guess that's on me and my siblings LOL).

The show feels all disjointed and most of the relationships feel meaningless (and pretty much they're all the same). I don't know why the show has so many characters if they're doing nothing with them.
And I don't like that the secondary couple became a cheap copy of the main one.

I don't think this is a healing drama either. They mixed the FL's journey with the romance a la Sam Dal. That means the ML is there to scream at her, comfort her, and tell her who she is (according to his decade old memories).
They're already doing this thing where everything becomes about the leads and how good they are for each other.
They made all his memories about his career as an athlete about her (she was the only one there to support him, and she was the only one there to comfort him when things went down).
And they're also making her only receive comfort from him at the moment.

So for me this is a romance trying to pass for a healing drama and a romcom. LOL

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I'm definitely reminded of Samdal a lot, which isn't a good thing, because I like that show, so now I just constantly have the feeling that I should just rewatch Samdal instead.

I don't need this to start copying Samdal, but I think Samdal just had a way better grasp of it's characters than this show does. They were fun, interesting, and very much kept me engaged for 16 episodes. This show is severely lacking in that. Like you said, there are so many characters, but they're not doing anything with them. And the second leads becoming a copy of the main leads in terms of their bickering dynamic only makes this an even bigger problem. Not to bring up Samdal again, but I can't help but be reminded of the 3 sisters who each had their own different storyline (& romance), and it never felt like they were just cheap imitations of each other. And that is something I really miss here.

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Dan-ho's a single dad, isn't he? It hit me when Seok-ryu asked Mo-eum the crop circle girl's name and where she lived, and Mo-eum didn't know. Suddenly what Mo-eum's mom said all made sense on why he can't date Seok-ryu. And how the girl kept talking about her dad to not talk to strangers. (If so, this really is like Doctor Slump.)

Even before Mo-eum revealed that she had read their letters from the time capsule, we knew that she knew when she agreed that Seung-hyo likes manhwas with tragic love stories and sad endings. I truly hope Seok-ryu going to his swim competition means she liked him too because it would make our childhood-friends-to-lovers transition a lot less awkward. I wonder where she keeps his gold medal.

I love how Seok-ryu agreed to help with the Greip deal, despite it being a sore point for her, because it's Seung-hyo. I love more how she fusses over whether he eats while he works. I breathed a sigh of relief when she told him right away about Griep already deciding against Atelier In instead of keeping it from him like he did to CEO Myung-woo, who is hilarious by the way with his "You can do it."

So Seung-hyo was going to confess but missed his chance because Seok-ryu immigrated to the U.S. I'm most curious about how much our BFFs kept in touch with each other during their ten years apart. I feel like we'll see this same scenario with slimy Chris when her ex-fiancé comes back in town. What's the mystery behind Seok-ryu's one-year break from work three years ago? I really hope that she wasn't sick.

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More background from high school with no unexpected reveals. Apparently the SUV of Doom only causes loss of dreams and not life. It would seem Seung-Hyo’s injury was not as traumatic as it was inferred (since he was not paralyzed). Olympic athletes have overcome worse: In July 2023, Brody Malone had to relearn how to walk. 

In July 2024, he took take center stage in Paris as an Olympian. The former Stanford gymnastics student-athlete suffered what many may have considered to be a career-ending injury in March 2023. During the dismount of his high bar routine and crashed to the mat causing a tibial plateau fracture in his right knee, a fully torn LCL, a torn meniscus, a partially torn PCL and some cartilage damage. After undergoing three surgeries since March 2023, Malone returned to the mat and claimed his third all-around national title in June, his 2024 Olympic dream was still very much alive. Considering Seung-Hyo outrunning Seok-Ryu, I think his end-of-dream fall-out is exaggerated to add an unnecessary level of pity.

Meanwhile, Seok-Ryu needs to get a grip on Greip (Google?) as her “taken advantaged” former job places her back with former colleagues. It is SOP that Silicon Valley tech employees are overworked and under-appreciated by their bosses. Doing more work than a colleague is typical in most large companies. It is OK for her to quit, but another exaggeration that she would violent against a person her friend is trying to win an assignment (however rigged). The happy conclusion was farfetched in the real world of architecture project management. If it was to show how the leads could bond in a common goal, it fell just as flat as the time capsule scenes.

The leads unrequited love story still takes a back seat to the 2FL and 2ML’s unfolding story of action over words. So far, I think the secondary characters and support cast (including the now tempered mom’s group) are carrying a lot of the show as I am just not invested in the leads or their current lives. Mo-Eum’s encounter with her younger self, park girl Ji-Yoo, was great. I immediately thought that Ji-Yoo would turn out to be Dan-Ho’s daughter, but it looks like her role was just a one episode cameo. Too bad. But Dan-Ho seems to have a closer backstory to the main group (the secret background guy trope.) The show is not getting better or worse; it is just average.

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@welh640: I agree the SUV of Doom was a poor choice to end Seung-Hyu's swimming career - and one that doesn't make sense. It's like the writer forgot to do her homework. A quick google search on "career ending swim injuries" provide a whole list of things which Seung-Hyo could have suffered from.

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He hurt his leg. While you need a functioning leg to swim, it seems to me that of all the sports you can practice, swimming would be the one sport that you could practice with a weak leg. But I could be completely off base.

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It is ironic that Incorporating aquatic therapy (swimming) into rehab programs for ACL, MCL, or meniscus tears is a proven method for speeding up the recovery process.

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The lead couple dynamics are fantastic. I love how they bicker like kids but it doesn't feel smarmy or juvenile, it's just really entertaining. I hope they don't lose it when the romance kicks in. Somin is especially luminous and magnetic, she's so good at comedy, physical or otherwise, and Haein is a good foil for her.

I had initially thought the end of the swimming career was maybe something to do with a family member, to explain the troubled parent dynamics, but the flashback was nicely done. I liked the parallel to Seokryu being the one to get him out of his funk then, with Seonghyo being the one to do it for her now.

Their dynamic really is what is keeping me fully entertained and eager for new episodes, because the rest of the writing is kind of lolzy. The work stuff was so childishly written, the writers didn't bother to give it any subtlety or nuance, and while her snapping out of her fugue to give Chris what he deserved was a cool drama moment, the whole thing was mediocrely written. It's like the writers spent all their time perfecting the couple stuff so it's amazing and then just throw in whatever else at the last minute for the rest of the story. I love all the actors playing the parents but even their scenes are not very nuanced. I assume it's meant to be about both pairs going through a slump but so far it doesn't even look like either pair cared for each other, it's not well done.

I guess I'm just going to keep handwaving the rest because Seokryu and Seonghyo are entertaining enough to keep me going.

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Sometimes, I go "what's the point of bickering? Why can't people just get along?", but I feel like the bickering here has more of a point. And with Seok-ryu: her bickering words always feel like a mask for something else she is saying but can't bring herself to actually say.

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I adore their dynamics. They are like an old married couple. The constant bickering is adorable because it's clear that it's based on an undercurrent of love and caring.
I love how he pretends not to care but follows her around literally like a puppy which echos their childhood connection. And when he is being standoffish, she does the same.

It's a great relationship and very entertaining. Not so sure about the other relationship, but time will tell.

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Great recap!
And your thoughts are very spot on!
Yes LR is pretty similar too! And a must watch for lovers of well done RomComs! (Both ML’s were swimmers… I guess that allows for shirtless scenes that are “natural” - 🤔
Even though ep 3 & 4 May not be as good as 1 & 2 the bar was set very high with those episodes.

There is a lot of backstory here that the writer feels is needed. They been friends, very close friends for 25 years!

Looking forward to episode 5 & 6!

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Swimming is a clear favourite for MLs that are athletes. Also thinking of weightlifting fairy. Bring it on, I say!

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Sorry I need to get this off my chest.

I hope they will not have any more swimming scenes of Jung Hae-in because it requires so much suspension of disbelief that it jolts me out of the story immersion.

Nam Joo-Hyuk is convincing as a swimmer in WLF precisely because he was a basketball player IRL, with career aspirations to go pro before an injury cut his sporting dreams short. He has both the height and lean physique to pass off.

Ditto with MLs the likes of So Ji-sub and Sung Hoon -- both of whom were elite swimmers IRL, and medalists at that. Jung Hae-in has neither the physique nor the height to pull it off (and he has a gut) it was actually painful for me to watch the swimming scenes.

There are so many other sports that would have been more forgiving with his physique (shooting: W; fencing: 2521; badminton: Love All Play etc)

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SAME! he doesn't fit the role of a swimmer at all. the whole sequence was bad, even the swimming cap. they should have picked a different sport because it doesn't seem like the writers know swimming for real lol

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What gut. I replayed it a couple of times and he is as lean as can be. The only thing that was a bit off was that he didn't have the shoulders of a swimmer.

But it's not realistic to pick your actors based on their previous sporting accomplishments. It's not like there is an endless pool of available actors for your project. Especially, for just one scene in the entire drama.

For other dramas yes. In Bloodhounds, they worked very hard to put on the muscles to be convincing as boxers. In Like Flowers in Sand, Jang Dong-Yoon had to gain a lot of weight to pass as a Ssireum wrestle, but then the show involved a lot of wrestling scenes.

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✔ MVP of the Week award goes to: Na-Yoon
-- For single-handedly preventing the breakup of Atelier In with a smooth serving of E.Q. sugar-coating that bitter pill ("Your idealism comes from privilege") Well played, girl

✔ Wing-woman of the Decade award goes to: Mo-eum
-- The early bird not only catches the worm, but gets to read her two besties' letters in time capsule. I swear, all that incessant badgering in Eps1-2 to "let's call SH to join us" makes sense now. It's Morse code for "I-am-low-key-shipping-my-clueless-bestie" cos she has read SH's love confession!

✔ Most Prophetic Line: 'I nearly lost my best friend to a random kid." Plot prediction: I'm with the beanies' corner betting on crop-circle girl being the kid of Dan-Ho (or at least he has to be a legal guardian of sort to her). So yes, tis a matter of time before Mo-eum lose her heart to the dad-daughter team (and it's hilarious how she winsomely offers chocolates to the kiddo but fights tooth and nail with the dad for a lollipop)

✔ Best upending of Dating Trope: I never expected to see the famous lovers' locks bridge of Namsan Tower (a popular dating hotspot) being subverted as a cursing ritual as the besties huddle to vent 🤣 priceless

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I adored the swimming pool scene and the flashback where the FL climbs into the ML's room and starts cussing him out until she breaks him out of his post-accident funk was HILARIOUS!

But yeah - the Greip scene was cringeworthy.

I'm pretty happy that the romance is coming to the forefront now.

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I liked how she was like "it's working! It's working! No it's not!"

I just like their dynamic. I really hope they'll maintain it even when they get together.

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At this point, I think that ML is increasingly using the time-honoured tactic of provoking bickering as part of covering up his feelings and heart eyes when he's around her.

It's so high school-ish but also so plausible with these two LMAO!

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I'm enjoying the show despite some of the flaws people have mentioned. I just love the leads so much, they can sell anything.

I feel a bit sorry for the show with all the (understandable) Lovely Runner comparisons - the show would have been in development way before LR aired so the timing is unfortunate.

The most baffling bit of this week's episodes to me was the idea that Korean drivers don't know how to get out of the way of an ambulance?! No way that the ambulance drivers just sit there shrugging and that the cars don't move. I liked the character moment for the second leads but the whole thing was so absurd.

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Yesss! I totally forgot about the ambulance scene. That was ridiculous. I'm fairly certain that anywhere in the world, if there's sirens people know to move out of the way.

Maybe that day had a bunch of deaf drivers

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No, it actually is strongly cultural- there are places where people don't get out of the way of ambulances. (Its not just nationality- different cities in my country are better/worse about how polite they are to ambulances).
Korea does have some lax road rules as well. There is a high amount of pedestrian deaths, and unresolved pedestrian accidents. Those trucks of doom that we all laugh about are more real than we know. (And the police accident taskforce in Crash is more hopeful than reality)

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Its actually true in some cities that I had visited, there is so much traffic, people die in ambulances. And its difficult for them to make way as the roads are congested and people don't follow lane discipline.

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Yes! That annoyed me too. In any normal situation, they would have blasted their horns repeatedly and the walls of cars would have opened like the Red Sea.

Couldn't the writers have come up with something more plausible?

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I am done with this one. There's nothing special or unique about it. 80% it felt like doctor slump and the remaining scenes I have seen from every other romcoms. Romcoms struggles with storyline but they can bring the charm and uniqueness too. Even when the stories are similar execution can be different.

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I really want to love this show, but honestly … maybe I *should* go watch Lovely Runner again. There is nothing really surprising or unexpected - that he has loved her all the time and still does is the very point of this drama.

I kind of get why foreign languages are often so bad. I do the same when I speak Japanese: freeze completely in utter nervousness, totally afraid (hoping for? )I will spontaneously combust when I inevitably make the first mistake, then I fire the whole sentenceinonepieceandwishsomesinkholeswallowsmewhole.
Which is what happened here, too.
It could be so much easier for actors - hire a language coach, get the melody right, relax and just enjoy the language.

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"I kind of get why foreign languages are often so bad. I do the same when I speak Japanese: freeze completely in utter nervousness, totally afraid (hoping for? )I will spontaneously combust when I inevitably make the first mistake"

LOL yes. That's me with Korean.
It's not the actors fault, they're trying their best. Like you said, a coach would ideal.

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Jung Hae-in is a winner in this.

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I am absolutely loving this show!!!

The violent or comedic bits that I hated have been mostly toned down, and so, ever since, I've been walking around with heart eyes for our two leads. They're precious together, whether trading barbs, or helping each other out, or just sitting quietly working side by side. The scene where she shows him a mirror to his own privilege was so good, and in return, the passion he showed for his work to her, will hopefully guide her to find her own dream. Despite the comedic angle, what is hypnotic, and has me grinning like a loon, is the blatant *understanding* that runs through their every interaction, the hyper-awareness of every word, segueing in a heartbeat from tart to utterly sweet.

Yes, they're the ones totally selling this show for me, but the other characters are holding their own too. Bestie Mo Eum doing her utmost to bring the two together with her all-knowing side-eyes cracks me up. It looks like both sets of parents will also be dealing with their own issues in their own Kdrama way. I love the counselor junior employee who speaks the truth from her own generational perspective. The millennial partner who turned the tables on Chris thanks to his bougie social media posts, he could be me.

There're lots of niggles of course, especially the cringe English dialogue at Greip, but just like I did with Serendipity, I'm overlooking all of them, just for the general happiness I feel watching it.

I hate the constant negative comparisons to Runner (that I had zero interest in, so didn't touch) or Slump/Samdalri (that I dropped), because I'm taking this show for what it's giving me, and that's a really nicely blossoming exploration of friendship across the years, burning out, and healing. You do your thing, pomegranate tree... bloom and bless.

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Yes! Perfectly said, it's the understanding between the two of them that keeps me glued to the screen. The comedy is perfect between them so far, but it's threaded with a real connection where the comedy is both funny but also grounded in being fully comfortable with each other.

The show has other things that are very meh to me, but what it's doing right is so strong, I can ignore that. I also agree about the comparisons. Idc about Lovely Runner (love HyeYoon, don't care about the ml), and I dropped Slump for making the leads too childish in current time, which i think is something this show has avoided. They're childish sometimes with each other, but they never feel like ott cutesy, they're full adults who are just so comfortable with each other that they just have their own love (of whatever kind so far) language and it's genuinely funny.

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I have nothing substantial to say other than this show makes me smile from ear to ear! Bring on the bickering, I don’t even mind the second leads arguing over a lollipop flavour, tho my brain can’t compute that the reporter guy is the same actor who played the pathetic ex in SERENDIPITY’S EMBRACE 🤷‍♀️
Regardless I’m sucker for characters dealing with burnout, a lot of kdramas glorify overworking so I hope whether or not Seok-ryu finds a career she’s passionate about, she’ll have a better work life balance

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I'm very good at overlooking previous roles. The 2ML played a rather narcissistic and pathetic character in Serendipity (loved that show!). The ML's father played a psychopathic and violent father in one drama, and the FL's father also played a psychopathic and unhinged character in another. Both roles were superbly acted

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Love Next Door and Lovely Runner are two very different dramas, so it's weird to compare the two because of a few similar plot points. Ones that are very common at that.

Anyway, the bickering is honestly what I come for. It's a romcom staple and I haven't seen it in awhile. The leads bounce off each other very well and when it's time to be serious they do it. They've known each other a long time so they know how to push each others' buttons and how to talk through the tough stuff. I'm curious to see how romance affects this relationship.

The work stuff works for me because of the emotion behind it all. I understand Seokryu's burnout and jadedness. I understand why Seunghyo is so optimistic despite being this close to going under. It was a nice touch for Nayun to point out being able to dream like he does is a privilege he has because of his wealth. I can overlook the English for the story.

I really liked these episodes and hope we find out that the little girl is Danho's daughter soon.

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I don't get the comparisons either and I love both.

I really like how this drama is nailing the balance of the burnout and the optimism, and make both perspectives understandable and sympathetic. I nearly clapped when Nayun pointed out that Seung-hyo's privilege allows him to risk being optimistic. Even though the Greip scenes were heavyhanded, the emotional aspect was handled well. What Seok-ryu went through and why she quit would have been hard to explain to her friends and family, so I can see why she hadn't explained herself besides "feeling exhausted". It was not like she was being physically or verbally abused. It's not like her workplace was bullying her like in some episode of Taxi Driver. Some people would have asked her to put up with it. Who doesn't feel tired doing overtime? But the isolation and gaslighting, especially working for something she wasn't even interested in, was destroying her.

I also like how Seung-hyo's architecture firm isn't an immediate success despite all his awards. Striking out on your own is risky. I like how he acknowledges that and that he isn't totally confident about his decision, but he couldn't live with always wondering and never trying.

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Minority Report:

I know there are lots of (justified) Gripe about Greip (it's amazing they are anagrams of each other). But verisimilitude aside, the work story arc this week works for me on an emotional level. Here's why:

It showcases how all 3 of them (SH, SR, MW) took revenge in a style uniquely based on their temperament, and that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

1) SH: The quiet "still waters run deep" guy who elects to keep silent even though he understands every single word Chris is saying in English. Principled, yet breaks the rule in the most out-of-character manner for his bestie when he acts on "unofficial intel" instead of what he was told "officially" (overheard Chris' insult to SR) and proceeds to pin douchebag to wall in a chokehold whilst cussing him out (so much for lecturing SR not to cuss lol).

Sense of time: In the moment / In game theory we say " no sense of shadow of the future"
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2) SR: Went from "groveling" to "postal" in a flip-switch moment, overturning the power gradient as pitching vendors when Chris threatened Atelier In (SH is *her* line not to cross).
Combat style is rooted in competence, past track record, fair play

Sense of time: Past ("you know how tenacious I am when I work") to near future threat ("I will send litany of your past xxx misdeeds and evidence to Greip in a gift basket.")

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3) MW: This is the real crouching tiger, hidden dragon. Genial, easy going - he deals the deadliest blow to Chris with a present-day real-time recorded evidence using the oft-disparaged power move (social media connections) I almost LOL at how affable he is whilst committing career homicide.

Sense of time: Past-present-future. He describes what he seems "about-to-do" (a future threat) only to reveal it was actually a fiat accompli (he has already sent the file to everyone- Past tense) hence sealing Chris' fate.
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In terms of political astuteness, SH is a noob, upstaged by SR, who is also upstaged by the greatest of them all - MW 🤣🤣

BUT what SR and MW did can only take them so far, i.e. doing damage control and even exacting a punishment on Chris. It will not clinch them any projects.

Here, SH steps in. He may be naive but his work ethics and passion to keep giving his best regardless of the rigged tender is what ultimately clinches the project for them.

So I really like how we see both the shortcomings and strengths and playing styles of every character and how the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

They are so complementary and make up for one another - which makes this story beat so deeply cathartic ( I mean, I almost want to drive my stiletto into Chris' face or his balls)

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Loved what you said here.

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Still enjoying this a lot. In the first episodes there seemed not that much like friends but reluctant childhood friends because of their mothers. Instead they deeply care and support each other.

Also Dan-ho totally is the father of the little girl and that's why he is not "eligible".

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Thanks for the recap, @missvictrix!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt that the writing was off in episodes 3 & 4. It seemed all over the place, and that we had regressed to building more introductions rather than moving forward with traction. It was also a bit jarring to go from cutesy character scenes (between the dads, between Mo-eun and Dan-ho) to such a traumatic sequence between Seok-Ryu and Chris.

That being said, I'm still committed to this show for now.

BICKERING

I like how the bickering amongst the characters are used to different effects. Seung-Hyo and Myeong-U’s argument about potential clients is similar yet vastly different from his argument with Seok-Ryu over career choices. In both cases Seung-Hyo’s idealism runs up against the more prosaic but also pragmatic attitudes of Myeong-U and Seok-Ryu.

Whereas the argument between the partners show the incompatibility of their professional motivations, Seung-Hyo’s argument with Seok-Ryu showed that they are ultimately coming from the same place - both have suffered failures and disappointments (“winters”), but both long for a dream to be realized (although for Seok-Ryu there is the added layer to figure out what her dream really is).

I especially like the swimming pool scene because we start to see their two worlds - past and present - being bridged. We have the teasing and the fighting (running around the pools like children), but then also the more adult, serious questions and vulnerabilities (like asking if they could have a re-do, would they). I like the theme of “second chances”, and how the two are the perfect foil to challenge one another out of their respective prisons and limitations.

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I’m not put off by the second leads’ bickering. I think it would be a mistake to think just because people are selfless in one area, that they are completely selfless. Everyone needs to have their own needs met (especially people in high stress environments, like being a paramedic) - so I think it’s only natural that Mo-eun gives 110% of herself to her patients, but wants a specific drink or lollipop to unwind.

I TOTALLY MISSED the K-drama connection between alien-crop-circle-seeking girl and Dan-Ho! I’ve obviously been away from K-dramas for too long since everyone else got the link but I was like “Why is Mo-eun meeting this random girl??” I think Dan-Ho is the girl’s legal guardian, possibly an uncle who has to take care of his niece because his sibling died. That would explain the sudden shift from being a workaholic to not.

Although contrived, I actually liked the meal between the two fathers (Geun-sik and Gyeong-jong): both discontent, both thinking the other has it better. I couldn’t tell if I should be sad for them, or just frustrated that they couldn’t figure out a way to reconnect with their wife.

But, I felt so gutted on Geun-sik’s behalf when he was describing the inability for the poor to buy nicer...

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And I got cut off again:

But, I felt so gutted on Geun-sik’s behalf when he was describing the inability for the poor to buy nicer things, even “cheaper” things when you buy in bulk - that actually they are always relegated to buying smaller, lesser things. He did a great job at expressing the frustration and humiliation of the poor. But, I also like Gyeong-jong’s response (which may sound tone deaf to Geun-sik but is actually true), that his life isn’t any better. They just have different problems, neither are better or worse.

The Three Musketeers
I love our neighborhood trio: Seok-Ryu, Seung-hyo, and Mo-eun. Props to the actors for making it feel like they have known each other for forever even when the actors themselves probably only met a few months ago.

I love how we know (and Seung-hyo knows) that Mo-eun knows he liked Seok-Ryu back then. I'm glad there is someone who can play wingman because we know Seung-Hyo is hopeless at expressing his feelings (except when defending Seok-Ryu from slimy Chris - I mean, if that doesn't say "I love you" - Mr. Stoic suddenly fires up into protective action - I don't know what does).

The thing is, I don't know how I feel about Dan-Ho joining our three Musketeers. In that convenience store scene he looked comfortably with them, but also really separate. Perhaps this is also good acting because it made the three friends look really close and Dan-Ho as the interloper (like it should). He will obviously join the group of friends to make the next generation of neighborhood foursome - but I'm curious to see his integration (and his daughter's). The kid is a bit too old, though, to be the NEXT generation with Seok-Ryu and Seung-Hyo's kid - maybe or maybe not. There's only one way to find out!

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The socio-economic disparity between the two households that was merely hinted at in Week 1 really got thrown into sharp relief in Week 2.

The last straw for me was when Mom chides Dad as they quibble about the condolence money and she yelps: "I get anxious even just to buy spinach!" (my heart kind of sank; they're really just ekeing out a living so the pressure on SR to make good is also likely more than we initially thought)

In retrospect, that puts the last scene of Ep 2 into a whole different light:

SR just finds out SH has moved back to be opposite her bedroom, and she makes to leap out of her window to go to him (which misleads me into thinking they're really *next door next door* - within leaping distance)

UNTIL the camera pulls out to a Wide Shot and we see the actual distance between the households -- it's a chasm.

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I'm kind of enjoying the show, at least not to consider dropping it this week. But I'm honestly perplexed at seeing 30-year olds acting like they're 21. The small minded-ness, the childish reactions. The tantrums.

I would lie if I were to claim not to be worried about the writing.

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True. Trope is over-used....
Thinking of those school scenes in Doctor Slump; actors in their almost-forties wearing school uniforms.
Do reunited childhood friends really pickup where they left off emotionally IRL? Tantrums, physical fights, etc.

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Actually, I think it's quite fun. I might not be mezmerized into thinking I am actually transported into a passionate past, but I know what they mean, and it's okay for me to contribute with a bit of suspence of disbelief.

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@missvictrix noted the similarities with Lovely Runner, and I agree with her that for the scenes she references, Lovely Runner handled them better--the swimming injury was ironically, given the time travel fantasy a lot more realistic than a white car of doom. I'd say the response of Sunjae was also detailed better, and the Dad as a sport parent was more realistic than the parents totally ignoring their son's activities.

I also liked the way Sun-jae's confessions were unsuccessful, not out of some sort of obliviousness to the FL's shared feelings, or lack of courage as in this show, but because comic circumstances kept interfering. It was funnier, and it didn’t insert the anguished male trope.

It is true, at a certain point these direct parallels will not apply anymore, but as @enriquequierecagar said last week this is the 5th show with exactly the same theme-- "returning home to find your first true love who was waiting for you all along" so comparisons are inevitable.

As one other commentator said, this is a kind of universal romance theme, and the met in childhood trope is a favorite for the kind of destiny it implies. But even though I know that one of these shows, Serendipity's Embrace, has a male protagonist, I am most interested in the 4 with female protagonists, because I wonder if something else is going on beyond the cliched return home to find yourself.

The FL first has to realize that her life thus far has had not much meaning--her "dream" (pop idol worship; corporate success, top fashion photographer, brilliant doctoring ,etc. is shallow or not what is really important. In three of the shows that is represented by an ex-boyfriend that is a miserable person.

After renewing her first true love and then what was wrong with her first attempt at success, she then does not completely abandon her professional aspirations but instead pursues a modified version of her goals focusing on what is really important.

But key, of course, is that she does it through the guy who loves her, because he, having not really developed beyond high school, knows her authentic-from-childhood self, and his love guides her to make the correct choice.

So is the number of these shows this year some sort of rom-com reckoning with women’s real life realization that they can’t, for various reasons, have it all?

If the FLs all gave up on their careers, I’d say there would be a deeply conservative bent, but I don’t think what’s going on is urging women back to home and motherhood—instead its return to simplicity, authenticity—conservative, but no more than most rom coms.

In the end, I don’t mind too much that this is the 5th show I’ve watched this year with this theme. The comparisons it allows make the show more interesting than I would normally find it, since, as I’ve already said, I don’t find the writing in this one particularly sparkling.

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It's still pretty basic/average, but it's an easy watch.
I like how last week I mentioned that more dramas should tackle the issue of selling one's soul at work (to be "successful"). Well, they seem to be doing that now. Good to see him having some integrity. Though I'm wary about them putting a neat little bow on that issue too. Like with the whole Greip contrived storyline this week.
I am looking forward to the theme of figuring yourself out (in your 30s). More of that. Not necessarily career-oriented either but just in general. Doing what you want to do and not what society/your parents want you to do.
The scene where he was walking behind her actually touched me. It's such a common scene in dramas, but here, it just did something to me.

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Oh my gosh, I haven't seen the word "glomp" in forever 😂

I really love our leads, Mo-eum/Clark Kent (except when they're at a convenience store), and the architect team, but the rest of the show is lacking something. It has heart in certain scenes but that's not shining through the show as a whole. At least not yet

The acting of the 🍇 team was questionable for sure. Dramaland needs the firefighter from 25-21, who is still the best American to ever appear in a k-drama

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I'm not feeling this show.

1. The siblings dynamic between the leads is too strong. That's bothering me.

2. All the characters are low-key the same but different? And their relationships too? Also, I feel like they're just... there. I was expecting the secondary couple to be cute right away, but instead they have this weird competition thing for no reason. Did I need another childish couple in this show? Nope.
Seok Ryu's parents... I can't believe I was defending dad last week. And even Song Ho and his partner at work never seem to be on the same page... How do they get anything done there? The girl giving her boss counseling deserves a raise.

Also, Seok Ryu and Mo Eum's friendship seems irrelevant so far. Seok Ryu's dongsaeng... why does this character even exist? And what happened in these two episodes? SH followed SR everywhere (or met her by serendipity), to scream at her/give her some words of comfort, and... also... I don't know... His dad didn't find rice at home? That's the only thing that caught my attention this week, tbh.
The fact that mom travels all the time, and dad comes and goes like a shadow, but they haven't hired a maid. Who the hell are they expecting to cook for them? The son that just came back home?

3. Anyway, I think the real problem of this drama is that it doesn't have enough soul. I need some warmth. I want to see the characters interact without trying too hard. And I want to see how close they are.
I wanted to see Seok Ryu's parents support SH during his competition (maybe Mo Eum too). They're supposed to be like parents to him, so I want to see more of those types of scenes.
I want to see Mo Eum in more flashbacks with her friends.
And I don't feel like it's the time to jump into the romance yet. Or anything else. I feel like they already forgot SR was enganged, and I feel like they "resolved" the situation with her Greip too soon (without giving me the time to understand it fully), so it didn't feel that satisfactory. I know there's more to unfold, but I already feel like there's nothing more. Just the same stuff we already know but told in the most boring way possible.

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100% about the second couple. I thought they would be the classic adult-like second couple, that gets together faster and in a more realistic way. I like the idea of him having a kid and she meeting her before knowing it, but their first enconteur with teh whole superman-esque thing and then the random competitive bickering made me roll my eye because I really don't need another couple like that in this drama.

I also dont feel any warmth in it. I feel the drama is telling me a lot of things but I dont feel anything. the friendship, the yearning, the social class discussion, the family dysfunction. everything is there to be intereting but the final result for me is just a big meh.

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Exactly! I think I would've been more excited about Mo Eum meeting his daughter if it wasn't because of those annoying scenes in the convenience store. I was like "the guy fighting with a stranger over a lollipop is a dad???"

They had very good impressions of each other since the beginning, so why would that change only because they like the same things??? That came out of nowhere. It's so sad because I was expecting them to be my favorite couple of the show. I liked that he was sweet and she was chill... Where did that go?

" I feel the drama is telling me a lot of things but I dont feel anything."

Exactly. There's too much of nothing.

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So far the strength of the show for me has been the visual elements that enrich the story. The pomegranate tree, the swimming pool, the flower lined streets, the classroom... Rather than the water theme of Lovely Runner, I am reminded of Our Beloved Summer. I think I liked that one a lot more because the pacing was consistently slower which allowed for more of the background to play a big role in developing the mood and the story. The pacing in this one is all over the place and there are so many characters and back stories. Now, we have two father back stories to work through. I would say it hits on 20% of the show and the rest feels like filler. As I like to tell myself, say more by saying less. I think I will have to drop this one.

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Also, the FLs story arc seems to be that she put a lot of pressure on herself and had to grow up too quickly. So, she needs to find herself and her love (with the help of ML). ML story arc must be something like he is afraid to open himself up in relationships because of the way his parents interact and that losing FL as a friend is just an excuse?

Also, does the South Pole mean anything in particular? Superheroes make sense because dreaming about having superpowers is inherently fun (but a bit childish). Does anyone else remember the South Pole being a thing in other dramas?

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The FL in Moon In The Day was a firefighter and wanted to go to South Pole (or North), didn't she? I'm not sure, I didn't really keep memories from this drama 😅

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I feel the ML's parents would be a good divorce case for Good Partner. She sues for divorce because she wants to be stationed overseas, and she isn't really that devoted to her husband; he resists because he really does love her, she points out that he never shows it; he argues that she is never there for him, so Eun-kyung works out an arrangement where they split their property evenly and then meet once a year for a month in Switzerland.

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I tried to tag you in my reply, but once there is a space between Mr and Everything, the autofill doesn't work.

I was wondering about the South Pole too. I wondered if there were mudflats in the South Pole, since Seok-Ryu mentioned that Mo-eun used to have posters of her superheroes on her walls. I figured since her new crush was Mudflats Guy, the South Pole may have them, but nope.

Quick google search says mudflats are found:

(1) Sheltered areas: Bays, bayous, lagoons, and estuaries

(2) Tidal environments: Backwaters, lakes, ponds, and shorelines that are prone to seasonal flooding

(3) Freshwater and salty lakes: Areas where many rivers and creeks end

(4) Gently shelving coasts: Areas where tidal waters flow slowl

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Wetland areas are dirty muddy and coastal, so they are commonly destroyed for oceanside development. However, they are also crucial development areas for a lot of sealife. I wonder if this will be a plot point in the future. Like maybe a metaphor for how Dan-ho is supposed to be standing up for the weak.

Also, my tag is the same as my username but without a space. So, it is easy to tag me!

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Something about an icyy lamdscape down there? Or a pole, even?

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This has my mind doing wild spins at the implications lol

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Not sure about the specificity of the South Pole reference but what the show takes care to highlight is how she has pivoted to have the hots for eco-warriors (so maybe the South Pole thing is along the lines of conservation and switching from superheroes to environmental heroes. Mudflat Man, anyone?)

2) Another plot reference is of course to Sam-dalri's 3rd sister -- the very young widow with a precocious lil daughter who got together with the dolphin conservation advocate with the daughter as a wing-girl shipping her mom.

Plot prediction: crop circle gal is gonna be the matchmaker to these two bickering adults🧡

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I was not quite serious with the hubba hubba pole thing, but I am sure that the ice to some degree means cold and bare. If she ends up with an Amazon poster, it will mean something, too.

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Interesting! Its true you had the flower gathering husband, and the gift pomegranate (which, when you think about it, is a weird choice for an office plant. For one thing, at least in California, its deciduous, so its going to lose its leaves. Also, if it fruits, its going to have to be supported outside the pot or its branches are going to break.) But you did have the swimming, the contemplative floating in the pool scene of this week's episode, and the rain washing away the grief (and makeup) scene of last week. So there's still plenty of water!

I really liked the pacing of Our Beloved Summer too, which though it had a driven FL, who was semi-harassed by a client, did not have her bomb out from her career, so that made it a happier story in terms of workplace satisfaction!

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Her mother had a conception dream of a pomegranate tree before Seok-ryu was born, right? They are extremely beautiful--the flowers. I've never seen one as an indoor plant. I want one. I don't have a green thumb or a yard to put it outside in the summer though.

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I forgot that conception dream. We planted 3 pomegranate bushes in our California yard. The flowers are beautiful, and bushes are prolific with large fruit. My wife juices them and also makes pomegranate jelly. The leaves are a beautiful yellow in the late fall before they drop. The only trouble is that passersby are always stealing them! (If we see someone sneaking into our yard to pick them, we always tell them they are welcome to take one, but we'd appreciate their asking first.)

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I am pomegranate jelly.

I bet you have lemon trees too.

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@toomuchtv Yes we do--its Southern California after all, where if you water enough, things grow. Its a Meyer lemon. (We also have a lime, an orange and a blood orange, several avocado trees, a mulberry, a macademia nut tree, and one tree that was a terrible mistake, a white sapote that produces way too many sapotes. I'm not sure what to do with sapotes!

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Oh I so envy you your Mediterranean-like So-Cal garden! I do have a tropical one, where everything pretty much grows abundantly, but lacks the glamour haha (also, thankfully, no wildfires, though we do have floods and snakes)

(also ref scene in this show where she likens his life to growing up in Mediterranean climes, vs hers was Siberian)

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@hacja The internet says sapotes are good for popsicles or smoothies. If you wind up with a ton of ripe fruit at the same time, freeze them. I used to keep a lot of overripe bananas in my freezer and did fruit smoothies with them once a week as a treat for my kid. It's a good way to use up overripe fruit.

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I like how the pomegranate tree is a side character with its own lil developmental arc! 🤣

It was withered and barren in the first week, and now sprouts green baby leaves in the 2nd week of series.

I also like the lil deets and running gag about K-superstitions (not just the cursing ritual at the lovers' lock bridge).

Here we have the callback to SR's cavalier curse and threat about how the verdancy of the plant will dictate the thriving fortunes of Atelier In (another superstition lol)

Next we see SH sticking a plant nutrients vial into the soil, and turning the pot to catch a good sunny spot 🌱🌱

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So when the leaves turn yellow and fall off late in the year, as they naturally do, maybe the firm will take a nosedive, or perhaps it will occur at the time of the episode 11/12 breakup. At least it will green up again when they reunite.

If it fruits, though, at that size and, not to mention growing indoors without much sun, I'm going to say this rom-com is a total fantasy!

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We did see him feed the plant! That green thing. Loved it!

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Chiming in, just want to share this little trivia I posted in the Ep1-2 Recap. Copying the text here again.

(석류) Seok-ryu's name in Korean means pomegranate, took after her mom’s conception dream of a pomegranate. In East Asian culture, pomegranates are considered auspicious fruits, symbolizing fertility, bountiful offspring, abundance, posterity, and luck. Traditional weddings have pomegranates embroidered on the red fabric to symbolize the hope of numerous offspring, blessed family.

Seok-ryu’s gift to SH’s new opening was ‘herself,’ as she joked - the pomegranate, which for now remains a leafless bonsai. I’m excited to watch the plant blossom and nurture its bounty.

@Empressgirl also explained more details about the pomegranate in her comment.

https://www.dramabeans.com/2024/08/love-next-door-episodes-1-2/#comment-4212957

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Once again, I'm getting extra pleasure from a k-drama: I'm enjoying watching it, I enjoy reading the summaries on here, and I absolutely revel in the comments. Though I could not believe the foolishness of the scenes in what was meant to be the US corporate world...yeah, I just couldn't believe those got through. Yet I really liked a lot of what we saw in these two episodes. Right now I still feel like it could go either way. The two leads are just so good. They give good face! 🥰

I felt like the scene with the two dads have a drink together was telling. The poorer dad is sad that he can't bring home nicer and more expensive treats to share with his family. The more accomplished, richer dad has a realization that he could be expressing love for his family by bringing them treats on the way home! He's never even thought about doing that. He just seems like a distant moon to his wife and child, cold and lonely.

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This show's main romance is a bit of a Goldilocks ‘just right’ for me (so far - don’t jinx it, Aigoo!). 😬🤞

I haven't seen Lovely Runner so can't comment on that (!), but my other Goldilocks comparisons would be Hometown Cha Cha (HCC) and Doctor Slump (DS).

Love the lead actors in HCC but the directing sometimes made her unsympathetic for me- too much entitled drunk screaming and petulance!😲😱

And in Dr Slump I loved so many elements but on occasion found the level of cutesy aegyo really grating.🤮

This OTP duo are my perfect porridge 💕- genuinely funny and endearing, whose teasing and harsh words are totally offset by the way they both show up for each other when needed.

They are different on the outside - loud vs quiet, manic vs subdued etc but their core values are fully aligned (this is real couples goals stuff!). love every minute of their interactions.💖💖

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I loved this pair of episodes and I like how it is handling the career struggles and how it also intertwines with how that plays into how you view yourself. I know we are not our work, but we spend so much of our lives at work and, like it or not, we derive a lot of our sense of self-worth from the work that we do, the people we interact with at work, and how other people respond to our work.

The scene with Chris about how Seok-ryu was so easy to manipulate due her emotional dependence on hearing praise - that had hit hard. I still love being praised (and I used to love it a lot more when I was a student) and could understand the feeling.

Despite some of the over-the-top scenes, I think there are a lot of relatable details in this drama that I find make this drama interesting to watch.

I'm also really enjoying how Seung-hyo doesn't magically have a successful architecture firm. And his English isn't so good that he didn't need a translator. So he isn't exactly the perfect mom's friend's son (even though he's close). I think his level of success is very grounded. And Myung-woo is the MVP. He is a partner of the firm and acts like it. And Na-yun is such a solid employee and counselor. Also, she gave the perfectly relatable reaction to Seok-ryu's younger brother's uninvited attention.

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So, this post is basically a PSA for those who're enjoying the show as much as I, and who'd like to appreciate it a bit more :)

I'm one of those nerds, so I actually do Google Lens translations of stuff on shows :p I did one on the email from the client cancelling a project, and wow, it was very, very detailed and correct... (do they know there are people like me who do this? - I also zoomed in on his monitor to see the SketchUp work he was doing LOL)
Anyway... I did a Translate of the time capsule letter, and oh my word, it was a revelation...
Some lines were about about wanting to win at the World Championships and Olympics, but still hoping that younger him would've enjoyed the process even if he didn't do so well at them. Ties in so much with even his present attitude of doing his best, even after knowing about the rigged outcome!
The next para was about him having started to swim because he had childhood asthma, but also... also... because Seuk Ryu was afraid of the water and so he needed to be able to rescue her if need be! Awww...

Again, I wish NF had better subtitles! I hate that we non_speakers lose out on so much nuance because they do such a half-a$$ job. I wouldn't mind literal AI translations at this point, if it gave me a better sense of the conversation.

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🫘Beansprout Award🌱 for doing the legwork and then some👩‍🎓 thanks so much for sharing. That letter 😮 why not translate it was on the screen long enough. I hate it when text messages don’t get translated but this is gold.

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I only do it sometimes :p I just like to see if the production designers are doing their job. I've been interested in it for a long time, ever since I did some intern set-work as a student, so minor things catch my eye. That's why I kind of stay away from period shows, because I can see the machine-stitched clothes, the polyester fabrics, the factory finishes, and I get taken out of the plot... I really need blinkers on all the time LOL

I did it on Serendipity also because there was a lot of English stuff, basically the script/notes for the show the FL was doing, I've forgotten already; and it was just a bunch of unrelated science-y stuff that had me scratching my head...

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Re: "because Seuk Ryu was afraid of the water and so he needed to be able to rescue her if need be!"

THIS!
The clincher. The deal-maker.
I spin around in my The Audition judge's chair and hit the YES! button
SH gets my stamp of approval 💯

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Exactly this!

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It's possible to complain to NF about subtitles by pressing the flag in the corner. Enough complaints may lead to better subtitles.
One routined subtitler told that she had gotten an offer from some company, that would mean she would have to do the subtitling at three times her usual pace to make a fair pay pr hour. She had refused, of course, since she has enough work. Others, less routined, will have been the ones to take the job ... people who would have needed more time than her to do a proper job, because they are less routined.
So in conclusion, people who do subtitles often are only paid enough to do a lousy job.
Furthermore, those hiring often do not look for every language pair, but just English, and then let other subtitlers translate the English subtitles, sometimes even without seeing the film at all, just the English text. Often, one can see strange subtitles that can be backtranslated into some English phrase that could mean two things.
If any subtitles are really bad, please, please complain, and hope that it will end up in better working conditions for subtitlers who really want to do a good job.

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That's a pro-tip there!

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Gosh I didn't know about this issue at all. Read a couple of articles on it, and they were quite eye-opening.
Links below:
https://restofworld.org/2022/india-translators-netflix/

https://restofworld.org/2021/lost-in-translation-the-global-streaming-boom-is-creating-a-translator-shortage/

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@nivar A lot has changed since 2021 when those articles were written though... A lot of the pressure/competition now is coming from AI translations, rather than people. Translators are losing their jobs these days. Its the same basic reason though - a low quality AI translation, with someone reading thru it quickly afterwards, is cheaper than a person spending time doing it properly. And AI translations are another reason why text on the screen is not translated- they are sending sound thru the translator, not the onscreen text.

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Will definitely think twice now before bad-mouthing translations :(

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You can bad-mouth translations - but know that translators are really unhappy about their working conditions.

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However, part of the problem is when the machine translated texts are considered "good enough".
BTW, often translators are hired for doing corrections on a translation, and then they can see that obviously, this is MT. Which means hours of closereading misunderstood language rather than the "Oh, here", and "Oh there" it ought to be when reading through another translator's work. Correcting MT is actually translating, and taskgivers are trying to get through with that because correction is cheaper than translation.

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Speculation time! *cue whimsical jingle*
Her “dream” job has something to do with cooking / food. 🧐🥳

Exhibit A) the first thing she did to unwind is go to the rooftop and fry leeky pancakes/omelettes (dunno what they’re called!), and she was enjoying it by the looks of it.
Exhibit B) she’d love to help her parents cook for customers, but they won’t let her (potentially thinking it’s bothering her? Or that she can’t do it?)
Exhibit C) in Seung-hyo’s new offices they stop by the kitchen, which she exclaims is amazing, but he makes a statement saying how it’s never used by anyone - why spend so much time on this scene?

Maybe just wishful thinking of a gourmet. 😂

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Oh, I didn't think about it because it's pretty far for her original job or studies, but why not?

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Oh yes!

Add-on to Exhibit A: she even brags to SH that she has a vblog on Korean food and proudly tells him she is quite the food guru

It would be nice if she is able to synergise her IT coding aptitude and culinary interest to revitalise her family food joint

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Yes, her love language is food as her mum cooked all her favourite meals and when they are doing PPL friends always comment about bringing the food at the optimum temperature to be enjoyed.

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Oooh thats exactly what I thought as well! They've made too many cooking/food refs for it to go by unnoticed.
Exhibit D) her cooking vlog, and E) she keeps calling him to eat and nags when he doesn't.
Cooking is my de-stresser, and also my love-language, so it makes sense to me that a person building themselves back up would use food to do so.

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I didn't pick up on that, but this is an excellent observation!

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High school flashback: The entire swim meet sequence

Just like Seung-Hyo said in his voiceover epiphany: "Looking back when she skipped her mock test to attend my meet, I knew there was never a moment where I haven't liked her," that swim meet was when I fell in love with SR.

Credit goes to JSM's excellent acting -- she was screaming and cheering so hard her blood vessels were nearly popping. It wasn't a romantic moment, but was deeply touching and that won my heart.

And then she followed up with: "If you don't win gold, don't you dare come home!!!" (again, a girl after my own heart).

It showed the emotional weight and status of SH in her life -- you don't say this to anyone except family. He isn't a neighbour, or childhood playmate or classmate friend. He is her FAMILY.

Then she nailed it with the dismissing of that "fancy swivel phone with a camera that shows your freckles" in lieu of his win. That's all she asked for -- as a top scorer. How NOT to love this girl?? How?

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I said to the screen during that scene, "Ah, look, she literally shows up for him! She cheers him on!" ♥

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This show resonate with me a bit too much for a romcom and my confort.
Though I'm not unemployed (too expensive to fire, yay for Europe social protection), I have no idea what my dream is, and never has. I'm also not convinced that a "dream" is a good carreer path.

Last week Seung-Ho was confronted/attacked on his privileges. We went to an exposition Saturday. The painter produced a lot during her life. She was clearly free to experiment and try different styles. All hurt my eyes and brain. This exhibition screamed privilege to me. And it got me thinking about my privileges.
As both fathers envy the other (with reasons), we are very conscient of what other have and us not, but quite blind to the reciprocal - our privileges.

As non-native English speaker and fast subtitles reader, I was not disturbed by the spoken English in the drama.
A prospective customer send me a chatGPT translation of several English documents. This is a nice gesture, compared to other that send me documents in Polish or Spanish for review and comments [I have no familiarity with these languages]. However instead of being grateful, I pitied him.
I am wondering (in present continuous) if monolinguism is a privilege or a deprivation.

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This reminds me of a conversation I keep having with my son. He thinks and speaks in English only, thanks to his father and I having different native languages, so English is common ground lingua franca at home... He makes fun of people speaking English badly, and I always tell him, look they know another language than you, it's a skill and an advantage that you don't have, so don't hold that against them! Also doesn't help that he's inherited his dad's absolute inability with languages, as opposed to me, who can converse fluently in 4, and understand 6-7, including French and now a wee bit of Korean! 😂

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Whoa, this is impressive!
Yes it takes some maturity to recognise the efforts behind a broken English. It take some work, or motivation.

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I don't think the whole workplace episode was meant to culminate as a way to display Seung-hyo streak of protectiveness. Although that was a highlight of course it's par for the course for a K-drama. When have you ever seen an unfriendly male lay a hand on a female without her love interest jumping in? I think the point, however contrived, was an opportunity for Seok-ryu to get her agency back. She was manipulated, gaslit and exploited by this Chris character back in the US, and could do nothing because she had no allies there, and was a powerless contractor. This allowed her closure on a difficult period of her life and I am sure will allow her to move on with her head held high. The next stop, is closure on the fiancé, although I'm not sure what form this will take.

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I agree. The way she begged Chris not to let her ruin Atelier In's chances and the way she was struggling to get the word "Please..." like her soul was being crushed gave us a glimpse of how she retreated and shrunk away when her coworkers exploited her. It was the opposite of the crazy Seok-ryu that we got to see. It was a great moment to see the Seok-ryu we know take over at the last moment. Seung-hyo's involvement was more like an impetus for Seok-ryu to find her voice. She won't let Seung-hyo and his dream get exploited and crushed too by this asshole. She really has spent her life looking out for him (even as she was stealing his piggybank).

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Re: "She really has spent her life looking out for him (even as she was stealing his piggybank)."

Yes, THIS.
This level of fierce unswerving loyalty and protectiveness is deeply moving to me. This IS bone-deep love (it trumps skin-deep romance, sorry stans).

Exhibit A: In Week 1, even when SR is really down in the doldrums on every front (career, love, family) the moment she heard that SH's new firm may run into financial difficulty because of a bad debt they can't collect she immediately snaps into action and volunteers to hound the creditor until they pay up. She is GOLD.
#rideordie
#wegoteachothersback

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As we begin to get a glimpse of what she has gone thru in America... I understand her better. I love the scene when he visits her in America and the comic books. Geniune glee from her. I started to realize they were not all about bantering back and forth, that there is a real connection.

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I really enjoyed these last two episodes. Finally we are getting some depth to our main gal lead and understanding what she has gone thru. I was getting tired of her bickering with the architect friend ( who is wonderful). I am enjoying this show very much.

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I'm getting real tired of all the 30+ somethings acting like they are Middle Schoolers (USA). Feels ridiculous. I'll stick around for the actors, but it's going painfully slow for me (except when "Chris" got his comeuppance).

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IS IT SATURDAY YET?! I was in SUCH a conundrum. At first I wanted to WAIT to watch Episodes 3-4, try to stretch them out so the wait wouldn't feel so long. But, I also didn't want to miss out on reading all the commentary on the episodes (which, of course, would contain spoilers).

But now it is torture to have to wait until Saturday. Have you guys seen the preview of episode 5?! *fans self* Hot dog!!

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I’m loving this series despite its flaws. I think the writing is very uneven (afterschool workplace bullying special, anyone?) but the gems are also there. Especially the relationship between mothers and the leads. The FL and her mom had me in tears more than once in their ups and downs at the beginning of the show.

The romance is very good too. I like a slow burn between old friends trope :)

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I honestly think this drama is a better one than some recent others but it hasn’t quite settled in its pace yet.

A lot of comments here are about 30-something acting like teenagers. It’s actually only one person doing it - that is, SR while SH is simply responding or playing along. We need to bear in mind SR is at her most vulnerable - practically losing everything she worked so hard and earned during her golden twenties. Credit to her for biting the bullet to return home despite the downfall of family shame. I can’t recall another braver FL. Of course, she needs to come down in tone and everything with the exception of those closest - her family and SH and MH. Her ‘teenager’ behaviour is a kind of compensation with those she ‘can’. She has a totally different set of behaviour with others, eg with her teacher which is composed and mature. For all these, I like her character and hope she will reinvigorate and find her dream.

Another thing I continue to appreciate is the social disparity of the two families. I’m thankful therefore for the two dads’ drink this week. I like it how the rich dad found uncomfortable to ‘buy’ food from the neighbour while the poor dad has all the world’s envy of the richer neighbour. But who’s the happier dad out of the two - the poorer dad for sure!

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I agree with you. There is the fact she left after highschool, so it's like their relationship kinda froze at this moment. Even if they met when he went to USA and surely kept contact by message.

Their bickering hides their attraction too.

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It's funny that none of them have any sense of pool hygiene. At least *he*, as a former swimmer, should know the basic eticette, including
- not jumping in the pool with all your outdoor clothes on and also
- not without showering first and last, but not least
- not dig up some old rusty thing from out of some schoolyard hidden corner and the bring it to the pool.

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