The Atypical Family: Episodes 9-10
by Unit
Our penultimate week explores all the parent-child and familial relationships that exist in the show. Our lead couple’s romance also progresses, but it’s really the younger ones who catch our eyes with their limited screen time. And just when we think everything is settled, we’re hit with a plot twist. Oops! Then again, how else will Show reel us in for the finale?
EPISODES 9-10
Our lottery ticket continues its journey from Soon-goo to the blackmailer, and it eventually ends up with Sauna Mom — who orchestrated the whole thing! You’d think she’d be satisfied with the money, but no. Sauna Mom still sends pictures of Soon-goo and his lady friend to Man-heum — who feels betrayed that her husband started clubbing after she stopped dreaming. I understand Soon-goo’s relief at finally being able to have hobbies without walking on eggshells around his all-seeing wife; unfortunately, this hobby gets him kicked out of the house.
Da-hae informs Gwi-ju that Man-heum has played in Sauna Mom’s hands by getting rid of the family’s supportive pillar (Soon-goo), and that everything falls back on Gwi-ju because he put his family in danger by trying to save her. They get into their usual “I’m going to save you,” and “You’re not the one who saved me” back and forth, but at least this time, we learn that the person who saved Da-hae had a red spot at the back of his neck — which Gwi-ju doesn’t have. Yet.
In other news, we also learn that Dong-hee’s marriage plans have little to do with love and inheriting the gym building, and plenty to do with Man-heum drumming it into her head that she has to get married to have a grandchild to pass down their legacy. This is probably why Dong-hee had to leave a successful modelling career — and end up stress eating. Smh. Not Man-heum being the real villain to her family.
Speaking of grandchildren, Yi-na goes missing after being bullied at school, and the resulting search for her highlights how little Gwi-ju knows about his daughter. (PS: I was going to praise how natural the Kopiko PPL was integrated into the convenience store scene with Sauna Uncle, but he had to ruin it with the “I need a pick-me-up” line. *Rolls eyes*)
Da-hae heads to the sauna to see if Yi-na dropped by, but Sauna Mom insinuates that she betrayed her by giving the lottery ticket to the Boks. Da-hae replies that she could have easily cashed the ticket and paid off her debt, but she didn’t because she wanted to remain in the sauna family. Over time, Da-hae felt that Sauna Mom cared about her like a real daughter, but now she sees that it was just her assumption. As a result, she disowns Sauna Mom and warns her to stay away from the Boks, or else. (PS: Sauna Mom’s real daughter is late.)
Thanks to his future self, Gwi-ju and Da-hae finally locate Yi-na — who was locked up in the school gym’s storage room — but Gwi-ju’s dad manual is outdated and he doesn’t know how to properly react to the situation. Da-hae steps in using her own experience with bullies, and she helps Yi-na make sense of her mind-reading power by pointing out that people’s thoughts are fleeting, and what Yi-na sees is just a tiny piece of their minds.
Taking Da-hae’s advice, Gwi-ju stops bombarding Yi-na with questions and he looks into her eyes instead. It’s an emotional moment for father and daughter, and her replies to his “I’m sorry for leaving you on your own” thoughts make him realize that she can read minds. Yi-na tells Gwi-ju that she kept it a secret because she wished the power would go away, and a flashback to the car accident reveals her mom’s last thoughts: Mom blamed Yi-na’s birth for kickstarting Gwi-ju’s obsession with the fire incident.
Yi-na’s innocent “Should I never have been born?” reply shocked — and distracted — Mom, and that’s how they got into the accident. OMG! When I said I was curious about what Yi-na read in her mom’s mind, this is NOT what I was picturing. It’s bad enough that Yi-na blames herself for being born, but she also blames herself for the accident? This is too much guilt for a child to be carrying around, and I want to reach into the screen to hug her.
In the present, Yi-na calls herself a monster, but Gwi-ju comforts her and assures her that she’s not at fault. Father and daughter cry it out and reconcile, but I refuse to cry. *Sniffs into tissues* Now that this reconciliation and offloading of guilt is out of the way, Yi-na’s confidence level spikes. She confesses to Joon-woo that she likes him too, and they become an official couple. Awwww. Yi-na also refuses to fall for Ms. Popular’s emotional blackmail when the latter is exposed at school for locking her in the storage, and I like how she pointed out that Ms. Popular’s fall from grace is solely a consequence of her actions. Yi-na is no longer blaming her mind-reading abilities anymore, and I love it for her!
Gwi-ju is grateful to Da-hae for helping him reconcile with his daughter, and now that he has re-found happiness in the moment Yi-na was born, he says it’s time to save Da-hae using that happiness. You know, if I took a shot every time Gwi-ju talks about “saving” someone, I’d be passed out drunk by now.
Gwi-ju mentions that the point of going back to save Da-hae is so that he can meet her 13 years later — our current timeline — and fall in love with her, and I just… Call it my overthinking — yunno, since I’m drunk and all — but did Gwi-ju really lose his marriage due to an obsession with going back to the past only for the ultimate aim of falling in love with Da-hae? It’s obvious Show does not like Yi-na’s mom, but you mean she had to die for the Gwi-ju × Da-hae ship to sail? Wow! The universe/fate has some explaining to do.
Gwi-ju converts the two family rings from last week into couple rings for him and Da-hae, and they kiss. Everything is finally coming up roses for them until Man-heum has a dream that Gwi-ju will die in the fire while saving Da-hae. And now I’m as sober as a judge. Man-heum begs Da-hae to move back into the Bok mansion so that Gwi-ju can spend his last days in happiness, but Da-hae disagrees. How can she move back knowing that Gwi-ju will die because of her? “You’re a swindler, so swindle him,” Man-heum replies, and this is why she’s the villain of the story.
I get that Man-heum is jaded from not being able to prevent her father’s death after she dreamt about it, but would it kill her to allow her husband and daughter to process their feelings first before strong-arming them into the charade? I can’t believe she tried to get Dong-hee to play along by mentioning that the gym building is all hers after Gwi-ju dies, and I’m glad Dong-hee called her out on it. But ultimately, everyone joins Team Gwi-ju’s Happiness — except for Gwi-ju and Yi-na who are kept in the dark for obvious reasons.
Gwi-ju and Da-hae banter about a movie scene on their way to a planned trip, and she tells him to go back in time to the cinema to confirm for himself. Going back to the past during a car ride? This man learnt absolutely nothing from his late wife’s accident. “This is not the time to flex your superpowers!” I shout from behind my screen, but since Gwi-ju can’t hear me, he disappears. Sure enough, by the time he returns, he’s sitting in a wrecked car. To make matters worse, Da-hae is missing, and from all indications, she was hurled out of the windshield in the accident.
On confrontation, Sauna Mom denies having anything to do with the accident, but this is clearly a lie because we saw her plotting a “goodbye present” for Da-hae with Sauna Uncle. Drunk Gwi-ju wiggles his way back into the show, and Depressed Gwi-ju also loses his powers. But while the facts say that Da-hae is dead, Gwi-ju remains convinced otherwise. Yi-na also shares her father’s belief, and she’s confident that he can go back to the past to save her beloved ahjumma. Thankfully, Gwi-ju’s powers return in response to his daughter’s faith in him, but there’s nothing he can do to prevent the accident because Past Da-hae avoids him.
In the end, Yi-na goes to beg Sauna Uncle to tell her the truth, and though he insists — in Sauna Mom’s hearing — that he knows nothing about the accident, he makes sure to look into Yi-na’s eyes so she can see the truth for herself. It turns out that Da-hae and Sauna Uncle staged the accident behind Sauna Mom’s back in order to send Gwi-ju back into depression and render him unable to use his powers. No power = inability to save Da-hae from the fire = Gwi-ju remains alive. Interestingly, Man-heum was in the know of Da-hae’s noble idiotic plan to remove herself from Gwi-ju’s life, but she refused to say a word and put her son out of his misery. Such motherly love.
Gwi-ju drives down to the small beach town Da-hae is hiding at, and they do the “Why did you leave me?” and “I don’t want you to die” waltz. The back and forth ends with Gwi-ju’s love confession and a kiss, and this would have been a sweet moment to leave off for the week if Yi-na did not end up finding out that her dad is going to die when she inevitably reads Man-heum’s mind. Yikes!
The entire show has been building up to the big salvation from the fire arc, and we await next week’s finale to see Gwi-ju’s fight against fate to fulfil his destiny. Hopefully, he comes back alive. And since everyone and their daughters are flexing their superpowers in full, I want to see Dong-hee 2.0 finally relieving herself of all that pressure from Man-heum, and regaining her confidence to fly — after kicking her scummy fiancé to the curb, of course.
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Tags: Chun Woo-hee, Go Du-shim, Jang Ki-yong, Oh Man-seok, Park So-yi, Soo-hyun, The Atypical Family
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1 pliplipli
June 3, 2024 at 5:34 PM
I know this drama is shorter, but I wish the dad-daughter relationship had more time to develop because it felt like years of neglect, guilt, and sadness were solved in one conversation. with that being said, park soyi killed it!
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indyfan
June 3, 2024 at 9:39 PM
I also thought the actors nailed that scene (sniff, sniff) and the show brilliant for showing how the same power that could damage In-ha so terribly with her mother could heal her relationship with her father.
But the redemption felt too easy, too shallow as they often are for families in kdramas. The parents are often secondary characters and irredeemable. Gwi-ju is neither, and if they’d taken time to develop the father-daughter relationship perhaps he wouldn’t have crumbled and bailed on her once again (and get less hate).
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vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 5:57 AM
I don't know if people are really understanding how trauma works in real life, though. This is the most realistic portrayal of PTSD that I've ever seen in a drama. Not only does Gwi-ju already have PTSD from two traumatic events, he experienced a brand new trauma that was almost identical to a past trauma. We know two things: 1) Immediately after a trauma, everyone will look like they have PTSD 2) The more traumatic exposures you have, the more likely you are to develop PTSD or other psychological sequelae. Honestly, considering that Gwi-ju already preexisting PTSD, and a new traumatic exposure that he now needs to recover from, I think he did pretty darn well! I liked how the show demonstrated another principle of recovery: social support is key.
Kdramas love PTSD, but they often don't consider the real ramifications the disorder would have. This and Just Between Lovers are the only times I've felt like a drama really captured what PTSD is like other than just using it as window dressing for characters (actually, Da-hae is also a great portrayal).
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indyfan
June 4, 2024 at 7:04 AM
You make a good point how little time Gwi-ju was given before becoming retraumatized. So it’s less about the character than the writer’s choice to throw him a curveball so quickly than give him time for him to heal and more fully repair his relationships.
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hacja
June 4, 2024 at 10:56 AM
Just speaking about the acting, I have to note, as @jsourgod said, that Park So Yi killed it--in fact she carried the whole scene. Jang Ki-young didn't have to do anything but stare in her eyes and do a monotone voiceover.
GySgt213
June 4, 2024 at 5:35 PM
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2 Aigoo-ka-choo
June 3, 2024 at 6:31 PM
One aspect of this show I find really interesting is the idea that our understanding of others and the world generally is like a jigsaw puzzle - it takes time to put all the pieces together to get the full picture. 🤔
This is showcased somewhat in the Bok family powers - Grandma only gets glimpses of events in her pre-cog dreams, and her understanding of them changes as she sees more of the same scenes, Gwi-ju can only go back to a 'happy' memory but he discovers there are other things going on that are tragic (such as when he finds the memorial for Da-hae's dad in the hospital), and I-na only hears people's 'fleeting thoughts' which isn't necessarily an indication of how they really feel (especially tragic when hearing her mom's thought about her being born😢).
I think the writing is trying to do the same thing to us as an audience - give us pieces of the puzzle each week, but never the full picture. That makes things very suspenseful heading into the final two episodes, I just hope that the full puzzle picture will be an uplifting and redemptive one rather than tragic and devastating! 🙏
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
June 3, 2024 at 9:44 PM
That is such an interesting way to look at the storytelling. 👏👏👏
Indeed like the blind men and the elephant they all can “see” only what they perceive. The entire picture is almost always rather different.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 4, 2024 at 4:50 AM
I love this.
where do we put flying sis in the puzzle imagery? Because she belongs in there somehow but I can't figure out how
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 2:50 PM
First and foremost as a vehicle during the fire.
I am pretty sure the "He had a red spot on his neck" is a lie, simply. But it could be Dong-hee that had that spot, receiving Da-hae through the window or a hole in the wall before Gwi-ju disappears in his usual powdery way. (They may bury an empty casket to cheat sauna-mum or something). And half fainted, Da-hae looks at the neck of the person carrying her over their shoulder and remembers the red spot.
It might be sauna sister, or sauna uncle, too. I am sure it is a co-operation.
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Aigoo-ka-choo
June 4, 2024 at 3:42 PM
Great minds, @ceciliedk!! Not sure if you read my post below as well, but I posit some of that as well :)
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 5, 2024 at 4:40 AM
Great minds, indeed. If they don't have Flying
ScissorsSister help out with the rescuing, they are letting us all down, and should finally do something about it and hire us as writers.I only need to be involved in the last half of every drama, increasingly towards the end, so that the great possibilities laid out in the beginning do not fall flat on the ground in the last episodes. Really, the last two to four episodes are where it usually goes wrong, but sometimes you will need to start steering it in the right direction from the middle of the season to let the potential of a drama fold out beautifully.
Martine
June 4, 2024 at 9:39 PM
It's not a lie. We saw it in one of the flashbacks to the fire. There was something red on his neck
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 5, 2024 at 12:56 AM
True! Da-hae says the face of the person who saved her was covered but she saw a red mark on the neck. When we got through her flashbacks of the fire, we "guessed" it was Gwi-ju, but we never saw his face because he covered it. We did see the red mark.
The only time we saw the face clearly was in Man-heum's dream (that we know we need to take with a giant pinch of salt)
Aigoo-ka-choo
June 4, 2024 at 3:47 PM
Good point @darkcc... I think she hasn't seen the full picture of her self-worth and keeps defining it by the wrong things (I need to be thin to to be loved, my life's purpose is only to propagate the superhero species (!) etc, and she definitely doesn't have a full picture about her ex/finance - hoping he gets kicked to the kerb in a satisfying way once she does 🤣
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 5, 2024 at 5:06 AM
And obviously: "As a recompence for giving up my dream I was promsed a building, so now my purpose in life is to own a building. Since it's recompence for lost happiness, I will be happy when I own that building" or something.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 5, 2024 at 5:09 AM
Oh wait! This focus on gym storage rooms ... can one fire be mixed up with another in the memories and dreams of the different people?
If not, it is still remarkable how gym storage rooms are recurring as places where girls are locked up and crying, am I right?
We might even include the sauna storage room.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 5, 2024 at 5:20 AM
I have even thought that ... but that would be too complicated, I guess ... but imagine this:
What if Da-hae knew about fleeting emotions also from the time she locked a classmate in the gym room and bitterly regretted it afterwards? Maybe she was in a really bad place because her father was a gambler and an alcoholic and her mum was ... absent, or something.
Imagine that Sauna Mum lost her daughter in that fire, and that she took in Da-hae partly to get back at her. Locking her up and using her as honey bait. (If that's what it's called). And that Da-hae felt so guilty, too, that she also wished she didn't exist. And kept imagining that locked-up girl being saved.
And that Man-heum's lie about the dead daughter embracing sauna mum actually came true ...
It doesn't fit very well with the "happened things stay happened" idea, but it fits the complicated anger in the sauna family.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 5, 2024 at 5:47 AM
I don't think this is where the script is going but this would have been a masterpiece of grey-ness for Da-hae. So far, she's presented as a scammer who is forced to scam (and would have actually preferred the simplicity of death in a fire in a way rather than being rescued and feeling lost with an even more complicated existence) and I'd be fined with Da-hae having more darkness into her past.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 5, 2024 at 7:33 AM
Remember the bullying classmates unhappily telling Gwi-ju's colleague that there was a girl more in there? There was no bit of "that should teach her" in that, they were really not intending this should go that far.
vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 5:53 AM
This is so beautiful and insightful!
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 2:52 PM
I said after the first episode that this drama is being told backwards, and that it started with episode 8, because they piggybacked, hugged, and kissed within the first five minutes of the first episode!
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 2:54 PM
And also, I don't think it was a coincidence that Da-hae was there to save him. Maybe he said in the fire for her to be at that beach on that and that date, but to not tell him that she planned it.
😮😮😮😮😮😮
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 5, 2024 at 3:08 AM
Ooooh wait, you may be onto something here! At least, I'd like this turn of events better than my assumption that she was just observing and hoping for an opportunity to engage with her target. (on the other hand, even if she was only looking for an opportunity, she still ran into the water to get him out, which was totally unplanned on her part, and also understood precisely what he was doing in the water:aka saving a soft toy)
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3 Aigoo-ka-choo
June 3, 2024 at 6:33 PM
I'm not willing to accept a tragic ending (whatever the show has in mind!😬) because I cannot deal with I-na losing her only remaining parent, after she finally got to bond with him. That child has suffered enough!
So I've imagined a happy ending version instead,💖 that I will come back to if the show knifes us in the back- feel free to add your own suggestions to this fanfic version :)
I want an ending where the 'I learnt from the best' con artist and her newfound family, finds a way to con death as well. Hwiting! 🤩
Firstly, I'm pinning my hopes for a happy ending twist on the 'powers evolving' idea (based on the story logic set up so far) .
We've known for a while (e.g. the flowers) that Gwi-ju can take objects with him when he goes back in time. TBH I was frustrated back in the earlier eps that he hadn't experimented more with that - i.e.. try taking a person back with him.
The show has been (overly) reluctant to show Dong-hee getting her flying power back or seeing that also transform the way Gwi-ju's power has. Does that mean they are saving it up for a big climactic reveal? In my fan-fic version that is deliberate.
In these eps we saw that I-na was able to give her father his powers back by holding his hand (actual magic or just instilling him with confidence, or a combo?).🎆
What if the final fire scene/save is achieved with the family all working together? I-na 'supercharges' them, then Gwi-ju takes his sister back to the fire with him. She flies him up to the 5th floor open window and he is able to rescue Da-hae.
As to the 'empty coffin' - that could be Gwi-ju being 'stuck' in the past for some reason, or maybe not his coffin at all (we don't get to 'see' this dream, after all, only hear about it).
I will be seeking solace in the fanfic version where they come together to save Gwi-ju using superpowers combined with the manipulative powers of the con (empty coffin to get Sauna mom to leave them alone?).
Final wrap-up is a new improved combo family where Grandma Bok has learnt some humility (and worked things out with Grandpa), Gwi-ju, Da-hae and I-na are a happy unit, Dong-hee has dumped her cheating ex boyfriend, and goes into business with Grace, and Sauna Bro is the new family fixer/security guard. I'd like Sauna mom to also get redemption, but if she actually tried to kill Da-hae that is not likely...The end😅.
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
June 3, 2024 at 9:51 PM
👏👏👏👏 Wonderful ending arc. I hope the drama can match this.
It would be such a great wrap if all of them can combine their superpowers to work together. As @Aig00iness pointed out the members of the Bok family can only perceive a part of the whole picture depending on their abilities. This links to the core theme of the drama that the family need to work together. The ultimate - strength in unity - motto.
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Aigoo-ka-choo
June 4, 2024 at 9:02 PM
Thanks @seeker.🙏 Are you directing me to my own previous post above this one? I mean, there are definitely days when I talk to myself, so it's not a completely crazy idea. 🤣😬
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
June 5, 2024 at 6:06 PM
😁🤷♀️
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 4, 2024 at 5:13 AM
yes, but can I suggest the following: lock Grandma Bok in the empty coffin. We can feed her through a thin straw. Make sure the coffin is sound-proof. I don't want to hear her angry squawks.
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Aigoo-ka-choo
June 4, 2024 at 8:41 PM
Bwah ha ha (evil mastermind laughs whilst rubbing hands together in glee) 🤣
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4 Anne18
June 3, 2024 at 6:35 PM
Gwi-ju and Ina had my heart 🥺. And so much came out of that father-daughter reconciliation aided by our heroine! On a side note, things like, "What you hear is a tiny piece of their mind", and, "People should be allowed to hide their feelings" ring so true in today's invasive media environment. We are really not meant to hear everything! And just like Gwi-ju's dad told his mom - "You don't have to know everything. You can't know everything". We are all, at some level, afflicted by that desire to know things too soon, know other people's fate, etc., in this era of information overload.
I get the confindant/ confidante equations in our drama much better now - dad and Gwi-ju, and Dong-hee and the gym trainer. The father-son duo get along as they both feel like "outcasts" within the Bok family. The pair of girls feel they are not the "favourite child" despite going extra lengths for their mom's attention. I really hope these girls can "fly together". They've become one of my favourite frenemies!
The cliff of doom was a bummer. But if we look at the bright side, the Bok family had learnt to respond to grief a bit differently this time. At least they stood by each other. And despite the stupidity of the "clever twist" (which made this drama really feel like a scammy fantasy for once), the emotions in the beach scenes were fully delivered by the actors and the director. It felt like a scene from a movie!
To "stick the landing" in my eyes, this drama just needs to keep intrigue at a minimum and deliver on the emotions and the good messages in the final week. I really hope they don't reduce the episodes to a down to the wire revelation of "will Gwi-ju survive?". I think there CAN be a peaceful "happy ending" even if he can't make it to the end.
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5 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
June 3, 2024 at 6:44 PM
Circular Logic Game: if the ML can go back in time and save the FL, that will become the new happiest moment in his life. Which will mean he can go back to that time. And save her.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 5, 2024 at 3:16 AM
A random thought: We also see 2 happy moments in the same day: namely the moment he gets a phone call about his wife being in labour, and the moment just after the birth. I just wish he had gone back to the moment he gets a phone call because I think it's an open space (pretty sure those fire stations have one huge massive open door for their firetruck) and he doesn't need to be able to touch a door to escape. Also, as it is the same day, he may still have a route he can interact with to get to Da-hae... and he would have had way more time to get to the fire (?) Can he interact with the storage door if Da-hae's behind?
I don't think writernim would use this option, though.
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Kathryn51
June 5, 2024 at 12:56 PM
I've put the show on hold, but when I watched the early episode, I took out my notebook (because I thought it would make sense eventually, but. . . . nope.)
Anyway, I noticed that the clock appears over and over again in the intro and the early scenes.
10:35 am: Gwi-ju first seen holding baby I-na.
10:40 am: Goes through the yellow door
10:45: The big clock at the school - on the ground, after the explosion.
I always thought that Gwi-ju would figure out that he needed to leave 5 minutes earlier, lol.
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6 Kathryn51
June 3, 2024 at 7:21 PM
I haven't watched the episodes, but planned on reading your entire recap @unit after reading the intro ("but it’s really the younger ones who catch our eyes with their limited screen time."). My 💕is always with Moon Woo Jin/Joon Woo and the adjacent Yi-na.
But stopped at the 1st paragraph: I understand Soon-goo’s relief at finally being able to have hobbies without walking on eggshells around his all-seeing wife; unfortunately, this hobby gets him kicked out of the house.
Soon-gu is a favorite. I hate the ML. There is a reason this drama is stuck ratings wise - including middling Netflix viewership. Thanks for continuing to do the recap - I'll return after the end so that I know when to FF and when to watch. Namely, Yi-na/Joon Woo and soon-gu. 😊
Last week, fear was rampant that Gwi-ju would die in the fire. This is at the top of my prayer list, but I know better. Geez, I hate him.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 5, 2024 at 3:54 AM
Lol, I don't hate this drama, nor do I hate Gwi-ju (because I instantly saw crushing guilt and pain in him... like I do in Yi-na).
But I think I can completely follow your feelings. I've been struggling so much with dramas where I didn't relate or engage with any of the leads and I was just praying for literally everyone to drop dead asap.
These were some of my for-fucks-sake-why-is-it-still-running dramas:
My Demon although it started strong but I got bored half-way through. (cute does not replace plot)
Good, Bad Mother... I'd have killed mom long before the cancer gets to her. Not one ounce of sympathy. As much as I could see where she was coming from, I'm not sure why the entire village would cry (instead of cheer) at her passing.
King, the Land Too much padding, far too much padding for too little story. If they'd made it an 8-episode-drama, it might have sustained my interest but it was too long and the forced, poorly written cute does not replace the obvious lack of a plot.
My Mister I am not the right audience. I made the mistake of mentally associating it with a late 90s French film I once saw (The Girl on the Bridge) which showed all the beautiful aspects of a platonic relationship between an older man and a young woman... and that ruined MM for me. I could not get myself to care for one character by the end of the first episode.
Queen of Tears Again, this was just written to be a rollercoaster of forced emotions based on the complete inability of the FL and ML to actually communicate. I'll never be the right audience for that kind of story.
Pasta Urgh... It has aged poorly and I didn't watched it when it came out. None of the characters are appealing to me: one is an arrogant prick, one is submissive to the point of self-victimisation (another typical Gong Hyo-jin lady in distress lead when she could be so much more fun playing something else), one is brought in for the pretty despite sounding off through all her scenes (and I love Honey Lee, but bae, what have they done to you here?)
That makes me think... I could not stand My Roommate is a Gumiho with the same ML. I don't think they could have managed to write a flatter character for him. Also it always felt like the entire production budget went into designing that completely ridiculously oversized white fox sitting in an armchair scene. (imagine the Roger Rabbit team on anti-depressants to the point where they are completely emotionally and creatively numb and yet still harbouring suicidal thoughts, that's the process that went into creating that Gumiho)
Perhaps, his usual flat acting works better for me in Atypical Family because I only focused on the struggles of his character...? Who knows
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Kathryn51
June 5, 2024 at 1:08 PM
Perhaps, his usual flat acting works better for me in Atypical Family because I only focused on the struggles of his character...? Who knows I know nothing about the actor (haven't seen him before) but I disliked the character from the beginning and I had a gut feeling they would eventually demonize the wife and make him a hero. after all, the Korean title for the drama is "I'm not a Hero" - they should follow their title.
I had to laugh at your list of dramas that you started and dropped, especially King the Land and My Demon. They seemed to serve no purpose other than to promote pretty people and I dropped them as well.
As for Queen of Tears - I loved it. Loved the roller-coaster mixture of romance, dysfunctional families and corporate drama. The last several episodes were the craziest - like the final twist, turn and roll of wild roller coaster. An all-time favorite that I will re-watch someday. 😊
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7 indyfan
June 3, 2024 at 8:18 PM
I caught up to the entirety of this series this week. So it is hard for me to separate just these last few episodes. On the whole tho, I am a huge fan of the layered characters and complex relations, the (mostly) well thought timeline and superpowers plot and even the quirky OST. A most surprising show.
I’d watched Gwi-ju’s quick recovery from addiction and depression primarily from attaching himself to Do-hae with wariness. But lo behold, with her “death” in this last episode he quickly lost all that he recovered, including his ability to parent his daughter, who after his blip of parenting found herself the adult in the relationship. I did somewhat understand In-ha’s mature response given her ability to cut to the heart of her father’s feelings, her valuing Do-hae for herself, as well as the resolution of her bullying and her romantic interest, but still it must be devastating for a child to so quickly lose their parent again to their obsessions.
It seems Gwi-ju’s stability is dependent on saving a loved one from a dramatic death—not the daily hard work of being present for those who need him. Tho when I feel harsh toward him, I can’t imagine how much the repeat visits to tragic pasts he couldn’t alter would damage a child—and certainly Mama Bok did not help him process this in any way. For me at least, the show did manage to create an understanding, if not sympathy, toward his flaw.
It is rare to have a main character who remains so deeply damaged esp. in their failure as a parent. Whether this is deliberate or an oversight in character development, I don’t know. But nonetheless found it as fascinating as it was discomfiting. Typically, we have the cartoon evil parents in dramaland, but Gwi-ju is not a monstrous person. He does love his daughter and wants the best for her. But he is too fragile and fails his family when he so easily crumbles. I can understand why some viewers cannot support a flawed character without a perfect growth arc, but it’s less about liking a character for me than watching this all-too human story despite its fantastical elements.
I can imagine a HEA which enables Gwi-ju to again parent, to participate in family life. But I also would have liked either more time spent on either truly healing Gwi-ju from his obsessions or a greater exploration of how children survive such damaged parents. Alas, we have two episodes left and a complicated plot to unravel.
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indyfan
June 3, 2024 at 8:53 PM
Oh, and not to forget Dong-hee! I found her physical transformation thru brutal diet and exercise hard to watch, as much as her return to her fiancé. And I wondered how hard it must have been to see her family’s hopes pinned on her brother while her goals were defined by childbearing.
My hope for the ending is not only she ditch that fiancé but that she develops healthier habits (even if, or especially if, it means a few more curves) and self-love. And she becomes the pillar of her family by running a successful businesswoman (with Grace as her partner?), which will free up Gwi-ju to do the work on himself that he still so desperately needs.
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Isa is always time travelling
June 4, 2024 at 1:59 AM
" I can understand why some viewers cannot support a flawed character without a perfect growth arc, but it’s less about liking a character for me than watching this all-too human story despite its fantastical elements".
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This. +1.
I can enjoy watching characters who are flawed and far from perfect, as long as they are multi-layered and I can feel "something" for them. In fact, I like this kind of characters way more than the ideal ones.
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indyfan
June 4, 2024 at 7:10 AM
I do love my green flags too. 😊 That’s when kdramas act as wish fulfillment. But this, despite its fantastical trappings, is more honest storytelling and as important as the escapist stories. But clearly reality is harder to watch.
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Isa is always time travelling
June 4, 2024 at 8:22 AM
I'll always prefer green flags over toxic or tsundere male leads. But they don't have to be too perfect :)
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GySgt213
June 4, 2024 at 5:06 PM
I have never found it enjoyable or entertaining to watch toxic male leads. I don't care if they gradually transform because it turns me off watching an emotionally abusive and insensitive male character and or female leads putting up with their terrible attitudes and conduct.
Jingbee
June 4, 2024 at 8:30 AM
And that is why this continues to stand out for me. Kudos to the production and acting team for daring to create a show that subverts the mainstream expectations of a kdrama.
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vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 12:14 PM
Agreed. I'm surprised I love this so much, because usually I don't like shows where I feel like I can't root for anyone. But, in this case, they've made me really want to root for a lot of the characters. They're flawed and do some hurtful things, yes, but I want them to heal and be happy.
vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 5:51 AM
Right! And Da-hae's decision to traumatize Gwi-ju was awful, but we can understand why she did it and it makes sense given her background. These are such flawed characters and I love it. Even the antagonists are in shades of grey.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 7, 2024 at 8:12 AM
Yes, somehow I loved how she immediately went from "I can't let him die for me!" to "ah yes, I know what would save him: Massive PTSD-inducing trauma"
Oh, Da-hae, you complete twat lol
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 5, 2024 at 5:15 AM
How can I upvote your comment more than once? I really like the flaws in the characters and perhaps that's why I like the drama so much.
I think I'd have more understanding for Man-heum if we had more scenes of her younger self, or at least enough to understand why she's decided to:
1) take on the burden of superpower species survival responsibility
2) assume that she needed to take that responsibility in the first place
3) define her own worth and life through childbearing and nothing else (and by extension, the life and value of her own children)
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indyfan
June 7, 2024 at 4:24 AM
I suppose the drama could have talked about how the fight for survival in post-war Korea impacted her. I’m sure she’s passing down the same rigid rules that were enforced upon her in childhood. And given she inherited that library of a family tree, I bet she grew up under expectations…. She’d remain pretty awful but we might know where some of that awfulness came from.
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ar_arguably romantic
June 5, 2024 at 6:16 PM
I love characters who feel like they could be the bestest of friends/neighbors/family members, but I also enjoy watching characters who feel flawed in a way that can't be completely fixed - especially within the confines of a 12 episode drama that is meant to represent a few months of the characters' lives. I think being able to take the first few steps and having good intentions is enough for me.
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indyfan
June 7, 2024 at 5:08 AM
Yes! Life’s cure doesn’t always come in a 12-episode package. To me, Gwi-ju represents so many parents who might love their children but fail them over and over. But we make our peace with them because they mean well and keep trying. And while we hope we won’t fail our own children, when we do, they might have a measure of forgiveness of our human frailty.
Um, I may be reading more into this drama than it intends. 😂
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8 froyo
June 4, 2024 at 12:06 AM
The downfall of Bok's family is Manheum. She is full of herself she cant understand people around her is suffering. Imagine saying you can give the building to Donghee because Gwiju is dead and let her daughter marry a scummy man smh. Everyone except her in this drama knows Gwiju and Dahae love eachother.
Its surprising for me that Gwiju's real character is bright and cheerful so different from his depressive state. My question is how is gonna died in the past when he cant touch a thing? Manheum said its a funeral without corpse so it could be not him? I have hope for happy ending. I want to see the family happy ending together (specially ina because she deserve happiness)
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froyo
June 4, 2024 at 12:32 AM
regarding Gwiju's super power, i dont think he has a hero-complex. its just the fact that his happy moment could be horrible moment for others that bothers him so much to the point he is stuck at that time. if im not wrong, he keep coming back to the moment fire incident happened without his consent. Of course that drive him crazy because human's brain couldnt control whats in our mind. Maybe thats why he want to save someone from that time line its like a closure for him.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 4, 2024 at 2:15 AM
completely agree with you. His first discovery as a child was that his happiness is also someone else's misery. I think because he couldn't undo the bad things that happen around him to other people, he's always felt guilty about being happy (and said so). So, Gwi-ju carries an immense amount of guilt and this contributed to rob him from his power when he got depressed.
Similarly, Yi-na also has a guilt of her own, because she thinks her birth ruined the lives of those around her. For Gwi-ju, he's convinced he has no right to be happy if he can't help others (and his obsession with trying to save others is what, in his mind, ruined his own family and killed his wife)
In many ways, the apple didn't fall far from the tree. Both Yi-na and her dad are crumbling under their own sense of guilt, and I'd like to think that Yi-na could see a glimpse of it during the mind-reading conversation together.
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vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 7:27 AM
This is so well said
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vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 5:52 AM
Manheum doesn't want to actually be a parent or grandparent, she just wants to pass down her superpowers.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 4, 2024 at 7:32 AM
It's very hard to appreciate her because we only have limited scenes with her and she's always coming on as an all-powerful Mafia Godfather in a skirt in those.
But I think you've hit the nail on the head. She has only one mission, which is to ensure the survival of superpowers and hence produce the next generation, and the one after, and the one after that, etc. I'm not sure why or whether it's something that she feels as her responsibility to her ancestors... or perhaps reading too much about superpowers made her forget how to be a partner/wife, mother, and grandmother.
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9 Kurama
June 4, 2024 at 12:20 AM
I don't like the ML, I don't really dislike neither. But years of neglicting your daughter and one afternoon and everything is OK? I don't buy it. How could he not wonder if his daughter had a power too and which one?
The leads don't have chemistry for me and the love story feels forced. Choosing the same way to disapear than his wife died was really cruel and again he forgave it way too easily. He went in years of depression after the accident, did they think what will happen to his daughter if her father lives twice the same awful lost? It's not like she can count on the rest of the family, they all are focused on their own issue.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 4, 2024 at 7:40 AM
He never thought she had a power because Man-heum has been repeating for years to him that Yi-na probably couldn't be his daughter (as his wife was cheating at the time of her death)
Yes, frankly, giving him twice the same car crash trauma was beyond horrible thinking... How is he not suicidal by then?
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vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 7:42 AM
I was like "this dude is never going to ride in another car ever again"
It was messed up, for sure, but also classic Da-hae. I love how the drama lets her keep her edge and flaws even after she's fallen in love.
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10 amruta1009
June 4, 2024 at 1:29 AM
I like the ML just fine. I can totally get why the depression returned. It hadn't been that long since he got out of it and having to deal with another tragedy ofc he fell into it easily again. It's obviously unfair to his daughter but one conversation wouldn't be enough to solve the issue permanently. The old Lady is so selfish btw.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 4, 2024 at 4:19 AM
I think the one conversation didn't solve the issue per se. It showed both of them that the other person was carrying just as much (unnecessary) guilt and it gave them a window of understanding.
For Yi-na, guilt came from the thought that her birth doomed her family - It's more complex than survivor's guilt; but like her dad she truly believes she can't be loved because she brought/brings misery to others.
For Gwi-ju, guilt comes from the belief his happiness comes at the cost of someone else's (which is the common thread since his childhood) paired with massive survivor's guilt (as you would when you've watched your mentor/friend die a hundred times on the happiest day of your life all the while trying in vain to save them... and then his wife managing to drive herself into a ravine during the 2 minutes where he was away)
The conversation was not there to patch their relationship. It was there for them to understand each other... and the sheer amount of guilt and unspoken love between them (they both love each other—Yi-na rejects her dad's soft toys not because she hates him or feels neglected but because she feels she doesn't deserve to be loved as she sees herself as the cause of her family's tragedy)
I do not see Yi-na as someone who's been neglected. Yi-na is someone who has chosen to isolate herself out of fear of discovering other painful truths and out of guilt. When she first gets her period, she doesn't hesitate to call her family for help (which, if you were suffering from neglect, you wouldn't even think of doing)
So it was never a case of the dad neglecting or not loving his daughter and suddenly they talk and love each other. They've always cared for each other. He does love her, but she's been working extra hard to make sure she doesn't need him. Sure he was depressed, but we've also seen how he was ready to drop everything to go and help her as soon as she called him. My suspicion is that the unspoken guilt between them has kept them apart for so long (because if Yi-na had needed him sooner, he'd have been there for her sooner; he wasn't in a state to realise by himself that she needed him and she wasn't ready to openly need anyone either)
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Isa is always time travelling
June 4, 2024 at 5:33 AM
Totally agree with your opinion about the father-daughter relationship. I never thought they didn't love each other, but they needed more communication.
Gwi-ju was very worried each time she disappeared.
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froyo
June 4, 2024 at 7:43 AM
you describe about the father-daughter relationship so well. I can take this character development because i feel like they dont resent ora hate each other. Sure Gwiju is more at fault because at the end of the day he neglect his daughter, but everyone in bok's family are neglecting each other so...
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indyfan
June 4, 2024 at 8:17 AM
Yup. While I still see it as neglect (you’re still the adult dude as Unit might say :), I really appreciate Beanies pointing out the layers and complexity that won’t let us judge it so simply.
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vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 5:50 AM
Everyone will look like they have PTSD immediately after a trauma, so his reaction was actually really normal
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amruta1009
June 4, 2024 at 6:58 AM
Exactly he did well all things considered.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 1:55 PM
The Old Lady - who could really try to think about something else than money, but - she could be hard towards the kids from some disturbed idea that they needed that. I just saw most of a documentary about families affected by the US opioid crisis. Amongst them a mother who had been advised to throw out her son and say he could get back when he wasn't a user anymore. Which could seem like a good idea - set up some borders or something, - but it didn't make anybody anything but just miserable.
But I don't know that any kind of tough love would make her treat her husband like that (except maybe she is jealous that everybody likes him more?) or be oblivious to the struggles of Dong-hee. I mean, even to the visual results of her daughter starving herself and overtraining.
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11 Isa is always time travelling
June 4, 2024 at 1:45 AM
The father-daughter scene was a highlights of this show. I really felt sad for them. It was hard when Ina said that she didn't want that power and one of the reasons was that everybody had the right to keep their intimate thoughts secret, or something like that.
It was moving because she was even being empathetic with the ones who bullied her.
Very good script.
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12 Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 4, 2024 at 2:00 AM
So, I've already mentioned it on @ceciliedk 's wall, and I will mention it again here. If anybody needs a little help handling the high school fire next week, I've got a huge pair of fire-resistant DIY gloves that I am more than happy to use to throw Man-heum (who's currently beating Good Bad Mother for the award of the Worst Mom in Dramaland) in the flames.
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Bunny Sonaki
June 4, 2024 at 2:10 AM
I can't believe we actually found someone worse than Good Bad Mother.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 4, 2024 at 3:50 AM
I could politely caveat it by saying that Man-heum has been carrying alone the burden of believing she is responsible for the safety and happiness of her own family (and presumably a belief she's had even as a child due to her power) and that she's genuinely thinks she's in the right by taking all decisions one-sided (presumably because she thinks that's her way of looking after them)
But ultimately, nobody has asked her to do that and she's turned into a dictatorial matriarch (think the Godfather in a dress and with cute little glasses)... so fuck Man-heum, I'm not going to caveat anything, I'm throwing her into the high-school fire instead.
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June 4, 2024 at 6:44 AM
Honestly, I had imagined a much worse Good Bad Mother. I really don't like Man-heum - really! But I could easily make up a worse mum, a Danish mum, easily, and in Korea's age hierarchy ... oho, a guilt-based ruling system supported by traditional unlimited respect for the elderly and beatings as a basic part of upbringing ... I could make up a much, much worse mum.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 4, 2024 at 6:49 AM
Do I need a second pair of gloves?
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June 4, 2024 at 8:33 AM
Well, obviously the imaginary mum from Hell never goes out the door ... or in the door ... without the disarming perfume of serious guilt-tripping.
And it must be convincing, but most children are prone to feel guilty for not being good enough, if you are careful to keep the balance so that what you say to them rarely exceeds something that can be explained away.
In the Swedish comic Zelda, there's a marvellous example of a horrible mum, ... she dismisses people so quickly and makes it really hard to argue with her.
She is, of course, rich, intelligent, and sexy in a woman-in-her-best 50's way.
In a Danish radio Satire program there was a mum who continuously had long conversations with her son's answerphone. She always did nice things for him and always in a way that would make anyone feel horrible. And of course she let herself into his apartment and cleaned it, and found stuff she was not supposed to see. And asked the son to come home "You don't have to stay, you know, just rush out the door the way you always do. I am sure you have important things to do. I and dad are not getting any younger, and ... if you could stay a little bit more, I will do the dishes later, it's no big deal, I hav etrouble sleeping anyway, and it's probably better for my arthritis to keep my hands busy, [chuckle whimper]."
There's the Mommy dearest type ( a bit like the Swedish parody) who is a star and can't bear to see her children grow up and be pretty ... just writing a mix of all that, and then putting violence on top of it and the assumption that older people are always right ... oh, mums can be way worse than Man-heum. That doesn't make her lovely.
But the way she shouts, for example, makes it possible for Dong-hee to shout back. If Bok Mum had been slightly less aggressive and pretended to try to hide her headaches, ooh, that would make it so hard to rebel.
Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 4, 2024 at 9:01 AM
@ceciliedk
I both hate your take on mothers (because it is triggering) and love it (because there is some truth under the satire and therefore it is triggering).
I wonder as well if leaving/stopping any contact is one way to rebel & exist when there is no space for your own voice. This is the decision Da-hae takes with Sauna-mom because there is no escaping. (again because brick in the face is a legally questionable response)
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 1:17 PM
TBH, I am a bit scared about the fact that Da-hae said she actually *wanted* to scam people, to get back at the one who saved her and left her to be so unhappy.
Or at least, intrigued. How did she get to that point?
Also: How did she end up saving Gwi-ju in that very first scene? 100% that was not just a random thing that happened.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 1:25 PM
@DarkCc All mothers have a little bit of that in them - but most of us (hopefully) are more good than bad.
But we all give up something to be there for the kids. We all want the kids to behave, and to be succesful and happy rather than the opposite. We all hope that they will do as good as we did with what we were good at (except narcissist who wants to stay better than their kids) and we also wants them to do better than we did in areas where we failed.
It's all in the best of meaning, and it would be horrible to not want your kids to be all those things, right? There's really no way of not sometimes being a horrible mother. And some traumatic issue your kids have will come from your bad handling of the role.
But someone like MAn-heum (oooh, or the witch in "tangled" can give us all a chance to say "At least I'm not like that!"
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 7:40 PM
Really, I almost forgot this mother. Is it just a Scandinavian thing, parodying passive aggressive mothers?
Well, this clip has (not very good, but better than nothing) English Subtitles.
Just need to say that to "get a foal" (or even give birth to one?) mean to angry and upset with a slight touch of insanity, worse if you add " ... crosswise!".
And sheath, "skede", is the vagina. In Danish the word in plural rhymes with "goats".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km5W-GdmGfw
And "Give A Goat" is a form of charity that exists outside of Denmark too.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 7:49 PM
BTW when you go check out the Bodil Jørgensen Mother's Day clip on Youtube, even though there are subtitles, please hear at least some of it with sound.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 5, 2024 at 1:08 AM
Lol, I appreciate the comment because I tend to watch everything social media (I put Youtube in this category) on mute. So I'll go, put the sound on, and listen to it on repeat (because I need time for my ears to get used to the sound of a language)
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June 5, 2024 at 4:35 AM
I do the same - or actually, I often listen with the sound way down low, so I wouldn't actually be able to follow it without subtitles, but so that I can hear the actors voice.
I feel that with Atypical Family I am really missing out, because when I hear it loud enough, the music is amazing. But we are four people living here, some of them very sound sensitive, and everybody watching their favourite things, so it can be hard to just turn up the sound to your heart's content.
Anyway, sound does matter.
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Midnight
June 5, 2024 at 4:42 AM
Can't you use headphones?
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
August 3, 2024 at 7:48 AM
I totally ought to do that more.
13 Linarrick
June 4, 2024 at 4:02 AM
I find Gwi-ju to be a tragic character. Not being able to live in the present or the past, just floating. Beginning from his childhood he’s constantly reliving his happy memories that eventually turn tragic, and he can’t do anything about it. I can see why he has such a hero complex about his superpower/curse.
From neglecting his family to becoming an alcoholic and relapsing, man that hits hard. Tho honestly realistic, it’s super uncomfortable watching a parent be this absent, however addiction is a disease. And yet at the same time it’s hard to be sympathetic when he’s such a recluse, yes he loves his daughter, but I’m not fooled into thinking he is a good father to I-na, she deserves better.
I can see from his many attempts at changing the past, that when he loses his power he gives up easily and tries to numb himself. When his wife died and when Da-hee disappeared he all but ceases to exist in reality. It’s I-na that knows how to live in the present, who investigates and finds Da-hee. It’s I-na and Da-hee’s relationship that seems to have the most development.
So I’m not sure what the end has in store for us, a tragic ending for Gwi-ju? Or perhaps a happy one, in his final moments he finally gets to fulfil his dream and save a loved one?
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June 4, 2024 at 4:53 AM
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Linarrick
June 4, 2024 at 4:55 AM
Also while the Bok family say they have superpowers, I honestly don’t think that’s the case at all, they are all cursed. They might blame lifestyle disease as a factor for their ills, but we see the Bok family powers are why they so miserable. Only I-na really realises this, the matriarch who can tell the future puts her family on edge. Causing her daughter to choose marriage over a career. Maybe Dong-hee’s power seems cool, but the symbolism of flying high to crashing by the weight of her fiancé who disrespects her, uses her and plummets her self-esteem does not go unnoticed. I think this is why she couldn’t fly in the recent episode, it’s not about weight, it’s about her self-esteem
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vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 5:49 AM
I don't think they're cursed so much as their mom made their lives miserable (including her own)
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Linarrick
June 4, 2024 at 6:55 AM
Not gonna defend the mum, but Gwi-ju’s power/curse made him live in the past and once his power wasn’t working he self medicated to avoid the present. While I understand he is depressed and definitely needs therapy, if he never had his power in the first place, I don’t he’d have neglected his family.
I-na doesn’t want to read peoples private thoughts. Her first trauma was reading her mother’s thoughts. Yes her power/curse could be useful in some contexts however, once she tells people of her ability they would be guarded around her. For example, Da-hee singing the anthem in her head so I-na wouldn’t find out her plan
I can only think of Dong-hee’s power as not a curse but we didn’t really see much of it or if it had any downsides
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vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 7:24 AM
That's true. I can't imagine how anyone with Gwi-ju's powers and experienced a traumatic event wouldn't develop a sense of guilt and helplessness
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 1:07 PM
I would like to know what her dream was. Maybe she really wanted to be a super heroine, a shamelessly happy girl.
As a model (in the memory of her greedy grubby groom-to-be) she looked proud, but not happy.
She must have had a dream before that. Would it have been what her dress was implying? (That would indeed be a surprise).
ar_arguably romantic
June 5, 2024 at 6:28 PM
Adding to that curse perspective. Because their miseries are related to their powers, they can't even talk openly with a therapist. They can only talk to each other about their powers. Like what if you wanted to complain about your family members?
Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 5, 2024 at 5:06 AM
It's probably enough of a curse in itself!
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June 4, 2024 at 12:41 PM
It's *obviously* about self-esteem ... and overall being happy. The dream where she was (remembering) flying showed us a triumphantly happy, woohoo-ing Dong-hee diving between buildings.
And she didn't start sinking because she got fat: She fell the moment she SAW she was becoming fat. The mood changed, and *then* she fell.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
June 5, 2024 at 5:07 AM
I was thinking it was a similar pattern for Gwi-ju's too. I think those siblings have more in common than they know!
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14 late as always
June 4, 2024 at 4:24 AM
1) why is it that when there is torrential rain in a K-drama there is also a cloudless blue sky and sun beamind down onto the drenched actors? I get that you can't always conjure bad weather on a shoot day, but can't you use CGI to change a few little details? It doesn't have to be perfect, just a little less obvious.
2) how can Gwi Ju die in the fire? That would change everything else already in the past. I Na's mom would live, etc. Also, the minute Mama Bok mentions that she dreamed of a funeral without a body you know he can't really be dead. If Show kills Gwi Ju in spite of these red flags I will be extremely irritated.
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June 4, 2024 at 5:10 AM
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late as always
June 4, 2024 at 5:14 AM
2) continued. Shades of Heartbeat....
3) Who in their right mind would think it's better to have Gwi Ju suffer through the EXACT SAME trauma that sent him into his last 7-year funk, and then to have him live the way he was living at the start of the show--drunk, depressed almost to catatonia? It's the worst form of Noble Idiocy--thinking it's better to be alive than dead no matter what, even if the person you save doesn't agree at all. More than that, it's egregiously cruel. I did appreciate that Da Hae admitted it was her that couldn't stand the thought of a world without him, and that Gwi Ju called her out on the hypocrisy of wanting for herself what she wouldn't let him have for himself (i.e. dying to save her). But I'm worried that the show is going to veer off the smart track it's been on. I've been loving Atypical Family, but the last two episodes really put a dent in my appreciation.
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vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 7:11 AM
I love how Heartbeat has traumatized us all. In a way, we are all Gwi-ju
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vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 5:49 AM
Gwi-ju dying in the fire wouldn't change the past. Present Gwi-ju would die, past Gwi-ju--the one who was alive during the fire--would still be alive until the point in the future when he returns to the fire and dies saving Da-hae. I don't THINK he's gonna die, but him being alive right now doesn't mean anything.
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
June 4, 2024 at 11:02 AM
Yes, what would change the past is if Gwi-ju or someone else doesn't go back to save Da-hae. If she's here now, someone saved her - but we can't know if that someone survived until that moment occurs in the present/future. Because of the ring, it seems right now like it has to be (will be) Gwi-ju, but we're only seeing some pieces of the puzzle.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 12:43 PM
He will need DOng-hee's help.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 1:11 PM
It's because the South Korean rain knows that it's is really the best wheather; Time to get out the umbrellas and let love bloom in all the streets and alleys. So it can't help but smiling behind the tears, and opposite "crying clown".
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 1:19 PM
Man, I miss the opportunity to just go back in time to the happy place where I wrote a comment, and then just correct a few errors. 😢
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15 vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 5:26 AM
I love this drama so much! I have a bunch of thoughts
- I don't think Gwi-ju is dead. It's not over until there's a body. Mama Bok only saw a glimpse, not the whole picture. I wonder if he gets stuck time travelling, though.
- Pretty cold of Da-hae to reenact Gwi-ju's exact trauma. I get what she was going for, but eesh.
- Also, not sure why everyone thought they could prevent him from saving her. As long as she's alive, it means he already has done it.
- Ji-han suuucks. I wish we had a bit more development for him, though.
- I loved the parallels in this episode. Grace and Dong-hee are both overlooked by their families. I-na went through a similar experience as Da-hae with her classmates.
- I love I-na embracing her powers, and her relationship with her father is getting repaired. I also loved I-na and Gwi-ju working together with their powers. A lot of people think that's how Gwi-ju will survive, his family will work together to con fate.
- How can Gwi-ju see what color the sweater is if he sees everything in black and white??
- Someone on MDL said that Bok Gwi is Korean for "go back to where you came from." I thought that was really interesting.
- Did anyone else have this COMPLETELY BANANAS thought that the little girl at the beach was Gwi-ju's and Da-hae's daughter from the future?
- Considering that Gwi-ju has PTSD and went through a brand new trauma that was in many ways identical to his previous trauma, he handled it pretty well imo. I think that shows his development.
- Someone on MDL said that Da-hae still doesn't believe that someone would go out of their way to save her, and that's why she sabotaged Gwi-ju. Interesting thought.
- I really feel like this one is going to have a happy ending. I hope so. These people can't take anymore loss. I personally think they're making it too obvious that Gwi-ju is gonna die, so there's gonna be some sort of twist. But, after that Drama That Must Not Be Named scarred me, I can't say it's 100% guaranteed.
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vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 5:27 AM
Also, I have no idea how Gwi-ju could die in the fire. Nothing can touch him but Da-hae. It wouldn't make any sense with the rules the show has established...
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BW
June 4, 2024 at 6:49 AM
He can touch anything in color, and the fire in the storage room is in color.
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vienibenmio
June 4, 2024 at 7:09 AM
But we haven't seen it from his perspective yet, just Mama Bok's and Da-hae's.
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Isa is always time travelling
June 4, 2024 at 5:46 AM
Good point about the color, if he only sees in black and white. I guess this is a tiny mistake in the script.
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
June 4, 2024 at 3:49 PM
1) He sees himself and his friends in the past remarking on how the movie FL wearing a blue sweater instead of a yellow one means she's chosen the ML over the 2ML.
2) Da-hae has gone back in time to appear as the FL in the movie, so he can see her and the sweater in color. He enters the movie and they live there happily ever after, avoiding the fire and escaping both dysfunctional families.
3) He's lying that he won the bet. How would she know, anyway?
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earthna
July 21, 2024 at 12:07 PM
All their names actually mean something.
Bok Man-heum: Blessed
Bok Gwi-ju: To be reinstated/to go back
Bok Dong-hee: Not very sure but the nickname Grace gives her Bok Deongeori (which the show translates as Bok Don't Eat) means Lump/Ball of Blessings. That's why I never thought Grace fatshames her. I lt was a cute nickname which fits her. You are a blessing, my girl!!
Bok Yi-na: A blessing is here
Do Da-hae: Does Everything
I love it when a show does this.
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16 BW
June 4, 2024 at 6:47 AM
I really love this drama, BUT . . .
When Gwi-Joo goes back into the past to rewatch the movie, it's all going to be in GRAY. Only Da-Hae is in color when he goes back to the past, and she wasn't there when he watched that movie. His high school friends were there. So if the movie is gray, how is he going to tell if the cardigan was yellow or blue?
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BW
June 4, 2024 at 6:48 AM
DOH! I see someone else already mentioned this.
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17 too_much_tv
June 4, 2024 at 8:04 AM
I watched episode 10 with a lot of excitement. I think we all knew from the start of the episode that the car accident was staged. What wasn't clear until we saw them Mission Impossible it was that it was Da-Hae and her "samchun" who did it!
The moment where she tells her "uncle" that it's not like she's going to just disappear if her doesn't rescue her... ah ha ha ha. She obviously, yes, assumes that she will. This is the MOST noble idiocy OF ALL TIME.
The two bad mommies are in some kind of contest to see who can suck the most. The writers are letting it all out--the subtleties of parental rejection, the small things they say that create so much hurt. Love it. It's amazing that a loan shark foster mom who threatens to kill the FL and others regularly is neck and neck with a mom who supposedly loves her bio kids. They are both so terrible!
Also, Park So-yi is next Park Eun-bin. The daddy-daughter reconciliation scene was one of the best I've ever seen, and I love them. It reminded me of when I first read Fanny Burney. (Honestly, a lot of k-dramas remind me of that--a whole lot of silly jokes that I mostly get and then the sudden wallop of a totally emotional tear jerking scene!)
I am very much looking forward to the finale, which I probably won't get to watch when it's first available. Just don't ruin episode 12! I would like the writers to save the flying for the last episode. ♥
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
June 4, 2024 at 11:18 AM
Was it clear what Sauna Mom intended regarding the accident - did she mean for it to be fatal, and to both DH and GJ? That was implied by the fact that Uncle and DH changed the original plan, but I couldn't tell if the show explicitly showed her planning a murder. She's already irredeemable to me - but probably not to the writer, since it's kdrama.
Maybe this is weird, but I hope they all lose their powers, which are more curse than blessing - but only after one final burst when they all use them to save each other
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hacja
June 4, 2024 at 11:52 AM
I did not get the sense that Sauna Mom intended the accident to be fatal, but maybe I missed some menacing remark that she made. For redemption of the Mom's we just need a drunk scene between them, where they break down sobbing and hugging.
As for the final episode, I'm really rooting for Kopiko to come into play. I had a rare disagreement with @unit about the PPL in episode 9--because how do we know its a Kopiko unless the character says "I need a lift?" But I think all characters sharing Kopikos (including Yi-na, because we know she is already drinking espressos at age 12) would provide a perfect segue into a final burst of powers for the family.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 12:52 PM
The mom's are both strong characters. And horrible.
A good ending for them would be to go together into the fire to save the grown-up kids. They could either work together or go in while trying to kill each other at the same time, and maybe also try to kill the other woman's "child" or "golden goose" or whatever you'd like to call it.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 12:54 PM
To be ready for that, they will of course have to eat Kopiko.
I hate that my mouth is beginning to water when I see that candy. I love coffee candy. I don't know if Kopiko tastes good, but I am genuinely affected by the exposition, together with my expectations to how coffee candy tastes.
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hacja
June 4, 2024 at 2:19 PM
Don't tell me you've been watching kdramas for a while and haven't had a Kopiko!! Next you'll be saying that you haven't been to Subway!
While I am not so big a fan that I have a Pavlovian response to the PPL, we do have a candy jar filled with Kopikos within easy reach of the couch. I do not actually know how Kopikos rate when compared to other coffee candy, but I'm sure they would be perfect to send Gwi-ju back in time to save Da-hae.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 2:56 PM
I have been to Subway long ago. It was sufficient for me. I don't need that franchise in my life. Nor does anybody else, they swindle the poor people who set their hopes to setting up a sandwich shop.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 3:06 PM
Coffe Candy: It's sweet, it's bitter, and it keeps you awake at night. Like a lot of the main characters.
late as always
June 4, 2024 at 3:43 PM
I have never had Kopiko, but I crave it desperately.
too_much_tv
June 4, 2024 at 2:37 PM
Sauna Mom didn't threaten Da-hae before the accident. She's threatened her over the years with the fact that she made her sign a life insurance document that gives Sauna Mom a payout if Da-hae dies.
I feel like we've seen a whole lot of Kopiko on this show and no other PPL. Not even a fancy car! I am concerned that Episode 12 will be 20 PPLs in either a fat suit or a wrecked car, or both.
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hacja
June 4, 2024 at 4:46 PM
I think a fat suit PPL would be one PPL too far for me.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
June 4, 2024 at 3:03 PM
I think it was intended to be fatal. But then again, in 19th life a truck is sent "To scare him a bit", and of course two innocent people die.
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18 Martine
June 4, 2024 at 9:57 PM
Of all the idiotic noble idiocies scenarios, this has to rank in the top five. She is so intent on him surviving that she would rather see him live as a shadow of himself, drinking himself into an early grave, so shut down he ignores everything and everyone including his only daughter, who desperately needs him. Is that even a life? It's not enough for the lights to be on if no one is home. It was an incredibly selfish decision to make on someone's behalf, as is typical of noble idiocy.
I don't "feel" it for this couple. Too much of the on-screen time has been spent while she was scamming him, in one way or another to make me connect on an emotional level. And at the same time, I don't think it's her he loves, rather it's that she has become the key to restoring his life. The one person that he will save with his strange and rather useless power.
I am still enjoying the drama. It's actually a bit freeing watching an OTP couple that you aren't especially invested in. Instead, I am invested in all of the character's arcs.
Looking forward to the finale.
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19 🌸 Seeker 🌸
June 5, 2024 at 1:52 PM
Thank you for the recap. Hope you are enjoying the show at least a little bit now. No, okay then. 🙈
The show has the last min twist down pat. Is there a special consultant whose expertise is how to upend the episode and reel in the viewers for the next!? Are they a fishing expert. Well done. 👏👏👏
I definitely couldn't have guessed that Sauna Mom was behind the blackmailing scam but in retrospect it seems exactly the kind of double trick she'd pull - keep the money and also reveal the secret. I'm sad for Soon-goo.
I-na and Gwi-ju's eye-opening conversation was so touching and perfect. After years and years of not talking to and misunderstanding each other all their misgivings were set aside for a new relationship to be able to bloom. Da-hae's advice to I-na about the thoughts she reads in most people's mind being fleeting was spot on.
Man-heum is indeed the most unlikable in a drama with a clutch full of unlikable characters. 🙄
"we await next week’s finale to see Gwi-ju’s fight against fate to fulfil his destiny." - Yes, we do! Also we await uri Unit's recap. 😍
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20 ar_arguably romantic
June 5, 2024 at 6:47 PM
Love this set of episodes even though I was shocked at Da-hae re-enacting the most traumatic moment of Gwi-joo's life. I'm glad his family was better about supporting him this time around.
Park So-yi is amazing - from her happy squeals when hanging out with her dad and Da-hae to her heartbreaking confession about what happened during the car accident that took her mom's life to her shyly admitting to her crush that she liked him back.
Da-hae impressed me with how she talked back to Sauna Mom. Da-hae's words were so cutting that for a fraction of a second, I almost felt sorry for Sauna Mom.
Da-hae's explanation for why she faked her death to save him really hit me hard. At first, it was to make sure Ina doesn't go parentless, but then she also admitted that she wanted him alive and breathing no matter what. I can understand the feeling of wanting someone to be alive so badly even if they end up having a worse quality of life. Even if Gwi-joo ends up a shadow of his former self, she's rather have that and have some hope he could find his way out of depression later on than to just have his life cut off.
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