Death’s Game: Episodes 5-8 (Final)
by lovepark
A man who chooses to end his life is plucked by Death and thrown into a game. As he experiences twelve different bodies, he gains a new perspective on living. While some people are monsters with no redeemable qualities, others are pitiful individuals who were dealt bad hands. After experiencing the world through other people’s eyes, Death presents our protagonist with a second chance, but whether or not he takes it is up to him.
EPISODES 5-8
The second half of Death’s Game opens with a gruesome scene as the show immediately introduces our hero’s next body: serial killer JUNG GYU-CHEOL (Kim Jae-wook). An artist who uses his victims’ blood as paint, Gyu-cheol has no qualms about kidnapping people from innocent civilians to lowlife rapists and immortalizing their final moments on canvas which fetch for a high price.
After Yi-jae’s attempt to kill Death turned into a fool’s errand, he finds himself inside the eighth body and decides to use this demon to kill a different one: Taekang Group’s heir Park Tae-woo. Luckily for Yi-jae, psychopaths seem to attract one another, and Tae-woo approaches Gyu-cheol’s agent about purchasing a piece. Their encounter is tense thanks to Yi-jae’s thinly veiled animosity, but to Tae-woo, the man in front of him is a stranger and barely registers as a threat.
Though Yi-jae misses his chance to kill Tae-woo during their first meeting, he knows his address now and waits for him at his house that night. When Tae-woo sees the cryptic painter in his driveway, his already bad day turns worse, and he pulls out his shotgun without a second thought. He shoots Yi-jae in the back, but as crazy as this all seems, Yi-jae predicted this would happen and wore a bulletproof vest. His preparedness gives him the upper hand, and Yi-jae captures Tae-woo.
While Yi-jae manages to take Tae-woo to his studio where he plans to saw him in half, he faints as soon as he arrives due to Gyu-cheol’s brain tumor. This gives Tae-woo enough time to break his bindings and turn the tables on his captor. Once Yi-jae wakes up, he stares up into Tae-woo’s manic eyes, and the latter tells him that he relates to Gyu-cheol. He, too, experienced what it felt like being God when he accidentally hit a man with his car, and now, he can relive that euphoria all over again.
Shaking with excitement, Tae-woo orders Yi-jae to beg for his life, but Yi-jae spits in his face and laughs. With that, he experiences his most painful death yet, and ends up back in front of Death’s door. Despite the horrific end he just met, Yi-jae continues laughing in the face of Death. As it turns out, he never intended to murder Tae-woo in his eighth body, but instead, he planted the seeds to catch him in the next.
Thus, the show moves on to Yi-jae’s ninth body, detective AHN JI-HYUNG (Oh Jung-se). Though Detective Ahn joined the force to follow in his father’s footsteps, he made a promise to his mother to look out for himself first and foremost. His motto, as expected, turned him into a black sheep among his peers, but for Yi-jae, this body is perfect for him to catch his target.
Yi-jae leads a team into Gyu-cheol’s studio where they find all the evidence they need to solve the serial murder case, but the last recording of Tae-woo he pockets for himself. He knows the police are corrupt, so he hands the footage to a news station, instead. Like clockwork, the commissioner calls Yi-jae into his office, and Tae-woo greets him with an offer to join his payroll. Shredding the contract, Yi-jae tells Tae-woo that all he wants is him and gives Tae-woo thirty minutes to decide before he comes to arrest him.
Making the first move, Tae-woo approaches the reporters and twists the story so he becomes the victim and purveyor of justice. The news stations only release the footage where Yi-jae kidnapped Tae-woo, giving credence to his story, and the public hails him as a hero. Tae-woo becomes untouchable, but as he basks in his win, Yi-jae strikes.
Using all the skills he acquired from his previous bodies, Yi-jae set everything up as trap for Tae-woo and got him stuck in a replica of his first body’s death. However, unlike Tae-woo, Yi-jae gives him a chance at survival, and with only thirty seconds left before the plane explodes, Tae-woo finds the hidden parachute and jumps… right into Yi-jae’s speeding car.
Though Tae-woo survives the impact, it leaves him defenseless against his impending doom. As Yi-jae strolls up to him, he mirrors Tae-woo’s actions from the night his seventh body died, and he asks how it feels to be on the receiving end. However, killing is against the rules, and Death appears to stop him. Willing to go to hell if it means taking Tae-woo with him, Yi-jae tells Death to screw the rules, but then, Ji-soo’s pen falls to the ground.
Returning to his senses, Yi-jae leaves, but behind him, Tae-woo lunges forward to stab him. As if by fate (or is it death), a gust of wind blows him back, and a truck hits him. He wakes up days later in the hospital with both legs amputated, and everything he built crumbles around him as the world learns of his true nature. Paying one last visit to his enemy, Yi-jae tells him to enjoy his living hell.
With his revenge accomplished, Yi-jae passes the days as Detective Ahn until Death finds him again, but it takes a while for that to happen. As Yi-jae gets comfortable in this new life, a chase with a criminal leaves him and his partner at gunpoint, so he sacrifices himself to save the other man. When he returns to Death, she scoffs at his deluded sense of pride and asks him who he is. Her question confuses him, but before he can answer, she shoots him in the head.
Yi-jae wakes up in his tenth body (Kim Won-hae) and watches the news about the detective’s passing. For the first time, he attends one of his funerals, but the meaning behind Death’s question soon dawns on him. All his previous friends and colleagues see him as a smelly homeless man, and even the partner he died saving treats him with contempt. Realizing that living as someone else means nothing, Yi-jae wishes to end this torture and falls to his death while running away from the body’s crystal.
Only two more bullets remain, and Yi-jae decides that enough is enough. As soon as he enters his eleventh body (Kim Gun-ho), he quits trying and gives into the host’s suicidal thoughts. Though the eleventh body achieved everything Yi-jae once wanted, he lost it all and made the same decision as Yi-jae back then. Rather than rewrite fate, Yi-jae runs into traffic without a moment of hesitation.
In a surprising twist, the eleventh body turns out to be the same man who caused Yi-jae’s downfall as well as the man who ignited something within Tae-woo. Hence, Yi-jae’s hasty decision to commit suicide was the catalyst that started this mess, and history repeats itself once more. This turn of events comes as no surprise to Death who claims that humans constantly kick away opportunities, and she wonders what Yi-jae will do with his last chance.
Having lost all motivation to fight back, Yi-jae plans to end the twelfth body soon, too, but when he looks in the mirror, he finds his mother (Kim Mi-kyung) staring back at him. As her memories flood his conscious, he learns about the difficulties she faced while raising him as a single parent, but his biggest takeaway is her resilience. He realizes how foolish he was for not being happy despite everything his mother did for him and begs for forgiveness for all the pain he caused her. What seemed like a punishment at first becomes a way for Yi-jae to fulfill his mother’s wish, so he continues living.
After spending thirty-two years in his mother’s body remembering his loved ones, Yi-jae returns to Death’s door one last time. He kneels before Death and asks for another chance to live as himself. All he wants to do is hug his mother once, and Death tells him that he won. Pulling out a bullet, she allows him one more opportunity but leaves it up to luck on whether or not his wish is granted.
Accepting the revolver, Yi-jae points it to his head and shoots. A shot rings out, the screen cuts to black, and then, we return to the rooftop where Yi-jae jumped. His phone rings, and this time, he answers his mother’s call.
The final message of Death’s Game is predictable, yet the weight of its importance remains resolute. As with its final message, the show wants its audience to know that every individual is irreplaceable, and what might seem like a dark tunnel right now may only be a small part of a larger opportunity called life. In the end, the crux of Death’s lesson was never about solving a mystery or toppling a “big bad,” but instead, Death wanted Yi-jae to learn that he was loved. His death wasn’t a selfless decision that hurt no one, and only after experiencing the world through his mother’s eyes was Yi-jae finally able to step out of his own shoes and realize his mistake.
While the sentiment is admirable, I did find the show’s overall perspective on suicide slightly too individualistic, which turned out to be a driving quality throughout the show. The story never delves into the nuances of the characters’ situations, often coloring them in simple strokes. While this approach works for some of the more action-packed deaths like the second and fourth bodies, the message gets clouded with some of the other ones like the third, sixth, and tenth body. The show brings up issues like school bullying, child abuse, and homelessness, but ultimately, they are treated as plot devices rather than larger societal ills.
Take into consideration Yi-jae’s original story. His plight is treated as a momentary pain, but the reality is that unemployment and economic depression are real issues without straightforward solutions. Simply working “harder” doesn’t solve Yi-jae’s situation, and I would argue that he was already working very hard and his decision to commit suicide came from a moment of despair rather than abject selfishness. Thus, there is a small bit of me that feels like the show’s message is important but too simplistic.
The tone of the second half of the show is a bit different from the first, mainly because the focus switches to Yi-jae’s antagonistic relationship with Tae-woo rather than “beating” the game. He spends a good chunk of the show trying to take down his enemy, and I found their cat-and-mouse chase entertaining. The actors in the second half were also phenomenal, with all five of them getting to show off their craft in impactful scenes, and even the shorter appearances were quite pivotal to Yi-jae’s growth. The tenth body raised interesting questions regarding personhood — another central theme to the show — and the eleventh body was fascinating not just because of the twist but for its symbolic reflection. It highlighted how even if Yi-jae achieved his desires, it did not necessarily guarantee happiness. In other words, what we value as a society is not always the things that bring us joy.
On a personal note, the ending of Death’s Game feels adjacent to one of my least favorite tropes: “it was all a dream.” Yi-jae returns to the moment right before he jumps, suggesting that he chooses a different path this time around, but that means everything that happened in the show was all moot. Does this mean all those atrocities will still happen or was Yi-jae’s time in those bodies an alternate reality that never existed? If I think too deeply about the mechanics of Death’s so-called game, there are some loose ends that don’t make sense (I thought Yi-jae wasn’t allowed to commit suicide?). However, as I stated above, the show was always a character-driven story, and as such, even if none of these events actually occur, the effect they had on Yi-jae is the crucial part. Hence, everything that happened in the game did matter because they taught Yi-jae to value his life because every person is unique, and right now, I think it’s a message the world needs.
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Tags: Choi Siwon, Death's Game, Go Yoon-jung, Jang Seung-jo, Kim Jae-wook, Kim Ji-hoon, Kim Kang-hoon, Lee Do-hyun, Lee Jae-wook, Oh Jung-se, Park So-dam, Seo In-gook, Sung Hoon
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1 Kurama
January 8, 2024 at 6:34 AM
I'm wondering what was the point to borrow all these lifes connected to Tae-woo to take him down with the message of the drama. I really don't understand why I needed to watch sociapath killing innocent people to understand that every individual is irreplaceable.
I found the way too cold, minimizing his struggles and pain.
The only good thing was Jang Seung-jo! He was stunning in this role!
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darwi
January 8, 2024 at 1:25 PM
I personally found Lee Jae Wook, Kim Jae Wook and Oh Jung Se phenomenal.
But I did not know Jang Seung Jo before, and he is now on my radar (or oppa-fish ponds system).
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emsel
January 11, 2024 at 4:11 AM
Even that actors playing the bullied kid and the bully were good.
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2 Kafiyah Bello
January 8, 2024 at 6:50 AM
This was a great write up @loveparka nd I am inclined to fully agree. They picked a great group of actors to show case the different bodies. However the drama never ventured solutions to the problems and as stated, since he went back in "time" essentially, will everything still happen. I did enjoy it for what is was though and I loved that Park So dam looked like she was having a blast.
Tae Woo's existence was my least favorite part of this drama. I don't understand the why, sigh, it is what it is.
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hacja
January 8, 2024 at 8:29 AM
@kafiyah-bello I agree with you completely both about @lovepark 's excellent assessment, and also the existence of Tae woo.
If the lesson was "don't commit suicide because it brings pain to all around you"--a laudable lesson, to be sure--why have the guy who commits suicide be the hero in bringing down an evil, serial killing, rich villain? Its a very mixed message. Should we maybe all commit suicide to help stop evil people in the world? On the other hand, you'd think one episode showing the pain caused to his Mom and girlfriend would have been enough for him to learn his lesson. In terms of the moral of the story, I would much preferred his death to have been caused by someone other than himself, with him raging at the injustice of it all, so that the lesson would be that the majority of deaths in the world are unjust, or something like that.
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Kafiyah Bello
January 8, 2024 at 10:38 AM
Yes, well said.
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
January 8, 2024 at 12:56 PM
But it's a kdrama, so it is required to have a powerful big bad who needs to be taken down. The only exemption to that rule is shows where the go to a small town to destress.
If it really was all just a dream and the serial killers are back, at least the lead knows about them and could put his skills and memories to good use.
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Meanwhile, how to our lead manage to be right where the baddie's parachute would land?
And did he really faint just because of the brain tumor? If he didn't faint for real he would have had to fake it anyway to sucker the baddie.
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Britney
January 8, 2024 at 2:24 PM
He was tracking the flight path but also suspension of disbelief.
That was a hell of plan: to pass out and leave himself helpless to Tae Woo. I don't even know if his intention really was to kill him or was to be killed by him but it was still wow, alot.
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
January 8, 2024 at 2:46 PM
As for Park So-dam looking like she was having a blast -- makes sense. Her whole bit could have been filmed in one afternoon. No need to even change costumes. Easy money and a rather unusual role.
But I still think it's fun to imagine Yu-na from Kidnapping Day in that role :)
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Mrs Buckwheat
January 8, 2024 at 5:13 PM
Yu-na would've rocked the role. I have only just finished Kidnapping Day and she was phenomenal. The show is up there as one of the best from 2023.
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3 Peridot
January 8, 2024 at 6:59 AM
I think this show didn’t even need the battle against big bad Tae-woo to tell an engaging story (even though I know that is an adaptation of a webtoon). The different lives of the bodies he inhabited (and I guess we could include our disturbed artist) were interesting enough and would have made for a compelling drama on their own.
About the ending: Did everything go back to the beginning or was Yi-jae simply allowed to relive one moment in his life? He asked for the opportunity to hug his mother one last time. I thought it could be interpreted two ways: he either got a complete do-over or his wish to see his mother for one last time has been granted. I guess manipulation of time is not beyond Death, since she did that with the eleventh life, who was the man we saw die in the first episode. So maybe she did magically undo those thirty five years?
*Side note on our eleventh incarnation: I remember thinking that the suicidal man from episode one might himself be another individual playing Death’s Game. I was waiting for there to be some reveal about his character. I guess I wasn’t too off since he was revealed to have been inhabited by Yi-jae.*
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darwi
January 8, 2024 at 1:07 PM
Interesting question that you raise... only a phone call with Eoma or do-over ? Death is quite vicious, if we can apply mortal morals to it, so we can only guess. Or choose the ending/possibilities that we prefer.
Would he be able to prevent Ji So murder in the hypothesis of a rewind ?
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Peridot
January 9, 2024 at 7:09 AM
"Would he be able to prevent Ji So murder in the hypothesis of a rewind ?"
Ji-soo was meant to have died anyway, but the circumstances of her death were definitely shaped by the lead's actions. In that sense, yes, her murder might be prevented, but she would still die in the near future. That was the case of the individuals whose bodies Yi-jae inhabited. For example, the young student was originally meant to have died by suicide but due to Yi-jae's actions, the student ended up being murdered by the bully.
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darwi
January 9, 2024 at 9:33 AM
In this case, just a phone call or hug with Mum is better.
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4 Hanamana
January 8, 2024 at 7:02 AM
What a great ride and what a great ending! I liked the message and it was convincing to me. The pace was good. Some gory parts were too much.
I LOVED Oh Jung-se parts. Very smart and satisfying.
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5 bunnylita
January 8, 2024 at 7:59 AM
Yeah, the message of this one is pretty hollow. Yi-jae gets to live, but what now? The show just seemed to glide right past any deeper reflections on society that could've been made And are there still multiple serial killers around now?
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nerdy
January 9, 2024 at 4:25 AM
His (ex)girlfriend will also die in a few months.
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6 WaterBottle
January 8, 2024 at 8:13 AM
I never warmed to the concept of a deity with nothing but disdain for the human character endlessly criticizing them, enacting brutal punishment and remaining stone cold in the face of their despair while pretending to teach some nebulous lesson.
I was looking forward to seeing Seo In-Guk and Park So-Dam work together but their scenes were a unique blend of repetitive and emotionally disgusting.
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7 hacja
January 8, 2024 at 9:05 AM
While I wasn't expecting a kdrama version of Bergman's The Seventh Seal I was disappointed in the character progression of Yi-Jae. In part it was because the lesson he learned best was that "you should value your mother's love." That was a whole lot of trouble, not to mention a whole lot of good looking acting talent, to teach that pretty simple lesson. The message on suicide was pretty mixed, especially he went ahead and committed suicide in one of his last lives, even presumably knowing what he should have already learned-- and then of course he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with the magical revolver in order to come back from suicide. The show Tomorrow had a much stronger, and more effective anti-suicide message, I think.
I kept hoping that he would learn more thoroughly the lesson of the virtues of self-sacrifice rather than self-obsession, but living as his Mom who loved him beyond reason wasn't going to teach that lesson! That he'd want to go back simply so HE could hug his Mom again was not the kind of game-winning motivation that I wanted to see.
On the other hand, knowing he was going to die every time did remove any viewing tension, so that made for a more relaxing watch of brutal violence than some shows.
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8 aicaramba
January 8, 2024 at 12:20 PM
Enjoyable watch. I'm not sure about the message it wants to send, though.
I wished the show wouldn't go down the 2nd chance at life route (Yi-Jae already got 12!), but it did. I would rather it go the bittersweet ending with reflection and regret so as not to negate the impact of suicide and the ripples it creates.
I also don't agree with the message that suicide is cowardly. I remember a famous phychologist in my country saying that it takes courage to kill oneself. And not to romanticize suicide, but I think that's respectful of the person's struggles. Life isn't easy, and simplifying suicide as an act of cowardice belittles suffering, and shows lack of empathy and understanding.
On a lighter note, this show made me realize that only Kim Ji Hoon could make the mullet hair that seems to be the latest fad look so sexy!
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9 Britney
January 8, 2024 at 12:32 PM
I think that was the most satisfying comeuppence I've seen in a long time. I really liked that all the actors/lives related to Park Tae Woo make an appearance. I was so giddy seeing that sequence haha. You would not believe how giddy I was.
Going back to the start of Part 2 and the introduction of the serial killer. Holy hell, I was not expecting that in any possible way. I thought it was hard seeing his 1st death in the plane explosion and then him as a baby but ugh, the serial killer was morbid on so many levels. When he appeared, he reminded me of Brandon Lee in The Crow which then made all the gun scenes weirder and harder to watch. (Sidenote: I've been wondering if all the gun usage in korean shows is due to western influence because I thought SK didn't even allow guns except for certain services such as the police & military and even then it's heavily monitored/guarded).
I honestly don't even know what to think or feel because the serial killer was successful with those types of paintings and art. There's a market for that creepy grossness! Ugh, it gives me the creeps.
And then when serial killer meets serial killer... ugh. Just so uncomfortable, oh my god.
I didn't have to turn away or watch through my eyes and I'm not put off by the actors but that plot was a bit tough especially if I think on it too much.
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10 Britney
January 8, 2024 at 12:43 PM
I get the message the show is trying to say but as someone who has had these thoughts, one of the phrases I can't stand is "it gets better". I know it's supposed to be encouraging and supportive; maybe even realistic to some extent (because apparently there are some suicide attempt survivors who say that they regretted their decision and if only they hadn't been so hasty) but when you're in that depressed and hopeless headspace or situation, thinking about a distant future where things are better feels impossible. That and "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" just always seem to inadvertently minimize a person's issues and feelings.
Also, the way this show plays out, it seems like people with loved ones are the ones who definitely shouldn't make this choice.
Is this just filtered through my pessimistic lens? But that's what I instantly thought: people with loved ones are selfish and short sighted for commiting that act but those without, by default, are irrevelant in the grand scheme of things. I could definitely be wrong since the only people I remember not having loved ones are the vagrant and possibly the guy whose death kicked off the drama.
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ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
January 9, 2024 at 11:36 AM
No, you're definitely not the only one. Maybe I'm also being pessimistic, but these phrases are so belittiling and minimizing. I found it genuinely offensive when someone told me things would get better or that my problems were temporary (they were not). I'm absolutely not romanticizing suicidal thoughts/attempts, but many of us actually don't have the prospect of a hypothetical happy future and that needs to be acknowledged by anybody trying to help with suicide prevention.
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11 Britney
January 8, 2024 at 12:49 PM
I thought all the actors were casted so well and did a good job.
The actor who played the serial killer made me think of Coffee Prince since his hair was pulled back haha. I don't think I've seen him with that look since that show.
I was a bit confused about the ending because if he got a second chance at life, that would negate ALL that he had done such as revealing the serial killer and Park Tae Woo.
Maybe he was just given a chance to meet his mom one last time before things go back to its original place.
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12 darwi
January 8, 2024 at 1:22 PM
I cried, and that's rare. (3rd time, after Another Miss Oh and Chicago Typewriter).
This drama is a collection of great performances. But Seo In Guk and Park So Dam are more pivot than leads/main roles... and I'm not frustrated only because most performances and stories were great.
One caveat though : for a show whose conclusion/message is that every person is unique and important it is paradoxical that we have no information at all on the homeless man. He does not even have a name. There are some other roles that do not have a name in the distribution, only a work title such as detective or cleaning lady. But the homeless man is one of the reincarnations, not a red shirt. He was stripped of dignity and humanity just the way homeless persons are treated IRL. Is that unappealing, good writing or a coincidence ?
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narrative addict
January 9, 2024 at 2:38 AM
But played by Kim Won-Hae.
You don't get much more respect than that.
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ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
January 9, 2024 at 11:27 AM
Most drama writers hate poverty unless its a plot device to use for clumsy candies who miraculously have designer clothing and brand new smart phones. So many people do not see the houseless as living, breathing people with humanity - only as an inconvenience "ruining" the streets (or whatever new nonsense dog-whistles are being used now). I wouldn't be surprised if the writers think chronic poverty is - similar to skyrocketing South Korean suicide rates - an individual issue and not a societal one.
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aicaramba
January 9, 2024 at 3:39 PM
I think that was the point of that particular reincarnation: you can't be truly happy unless you are able to live as yourself. So no matter how many other lives Yi-Jae got to live, or how much he was able to achieve in any of them, none of them were really him. It's all as pointless and miserable as being a nameless homeless person.
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13 Britney
January 8, 2024 at 2:19 PM
I think @lovepark 's write up is pretty on point. I think I agree with about 98% of it.
I personally didn't care or need solutions or to delve deeper into the real systemic issues at play that led to certain circumstances for the characters for this story because it was never about that in the grand scheme of thing; it was about how those experiences impacted him and if that wasn't clear, the "lesson" of each body/life was kinda recapped when he met Death in that limbo.
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14 💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
January 8, 2024 at 3:07 PM
Sic in her most disdainful voice:
“Every person is irreplaceable” but we're playing a game of plot wherein 12 people are doomed to never be true characters, never true lives; Characters and People and Lives, sacrificed by the Plot for the Male Lead’s arc of learning that... Other People Matter and Life is Sacred... Oh, the meta irony.
Also blood dries black and brown. Not red.
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ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
January 9, 2024 at 11:20 AM
The irony of ironies. He's not special and should just trudge through life, but also he gets the super special anime tournament arc treatment from Death (who is, of course, a hot lady) and also the universe(s) all revolve around him.
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15 Mrs Buckwheat
January 8, 2024 at 5:06 PM
I enjoyed this show overall for all the different cameos of various actors and seeing how their individual stories connected.
However, I don't like that it is trying to preach/send any message about suicide, as this is such complex matter for an entertainment show and a country with an extremely high suicide rate.
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16 sakuradaydream
January 8, 2024 at 5:59 PM
This show was intense and touched on some dark themes which is a reality for most people out here.
The weecap stated majority of my thoughts so I'll just keep it brief. My gripe is that the ending would've hit harder if it ended with Yee-jae dying as his mom. I felt that the "second chance" he got wasn't fitting with the show's main story arc at all & it made the journey we went through with Yee-jae lose its meaning.
You don't get a "second chance" when you take your own life in reality and I watch my friends go through grief of losing a loved one because of it.
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17 FiyaShady
January 8, 2024 at 8:48 PM
As a person with a faith belief, I always know that suicide is a great sin to commit. The way this drama projecting it was quite a nice ride.
Only the ending isn't really my cuppa of tea as in reality, there is no second chance in life after you commited on suicidal. As per @lovepark assessment above, it will be all moot for 12 reincanations when Yee Jae managed to live again for redemption.
Overall, the whole casting were perfect in its own role. Loved every single one of them. Yeay for my first bean for 2024 ☺️!
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18 sailorgirl
January 9, 2024 at 10:22 AM
Yi Jae needs to make calls to the victims of that serial killer and give them a heads-up, also to the bullied boy and possibly offer encouragement and advice. I'd say that calling child protective services is necessary, but he'll probably need to make an in-person visit to get them to actually do their job, instead of letting the status and position of the baby's parents blind them to the on-going abuse.
I'd say Tae Woo's brother should also be told about his sibling's murderous intent, hindsight is 20/20.
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Ksharp34
February 3, 2024 at 9:12 PM
How many calls were made by viewers, neighbors and family to the Kevin and Ruby Franke house before one kid had to escape with duct tape and open sores before CPS was to bypass lawyers and their ego and remove the kids? Jodi did awful things to her niece before the Franke family. I was so happy the scenes were not as brutal as the bullying, how could there not be bruises… or the artist at which point I had to stop. I’m reading here to find out the rest and not get nightmares. Tae Woo’d brother probably knows. I’m not entirely sure anyone would listen to someone claiming they were in a future body after suicide and experienced all that. He would be put in mental hospital. Also his actions caused some events to happen. The bodies he entered were going to die anyway. But maybe not? The student would have committed suicide and not been murdered by brick. Basically with the exception of the last he simply prolonged and took a different method of dying by inhabiting those bodies. So which date and motive would he tell about?
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19 sailorgirl
January 9, 2024 at 10:42 AM
Honestly, I don't think that there is anything "respectable" about suicide. I think in a bid to honor and sympathize with the departed, some are skewing far in the direction of romanticizing suicide. As if to say, "Yes, you're right, life is hard. Give up." Which is an attitude that I completely disagree with. We can understand the steps that led to a devastating, unchangeable decision with far-reaching, negative repercussions, without rewarding said behavior.
In my opinion, suicide is a decision people take when they are backed into a corner and feel hopeless without alternate route for escape. Either they do not see the light at the end of the tunnel, or they refuse to walk in its direction. It is not something to praise. Also, how do you know that what is waiting for you at the end of your life following suicide is better than life itself? Nobody knows. We act like this world is the worst place to be, but what if dying by your own hand leads to a worse fate? Simply because you died with those feelings and never resolved them, it's like they become a prison of their own. I think it’s better to encourage people. Yes, hear them out and understand their outlook, but know that life is not to be trifled with. There are decisions that cannot be undone.
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abalyn
January 10, 2024 at 2:46 PM
Suicide is caused by mental illness. It’s not respectable or not respectable. People are sick, just like having a heart problem can kill you. What is sad is not getting treatment, or when treatment doesn’t work, as we still have a long way to go in treating mental illness. Stigma is a really big problem as well. A mental health professional has told me that suicide happens when a person is in a mental place of extreme disconnect from all human connection.
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sailorgirl
January 11, 2024 at 8:27 AM
@abalyn I agree with most of your comment, however as I mentioned, my only issue is when the rationale turns into validation of suicide. Of course suicide is a mental illness. However, it does not need to be justified as an appropriate alternative or cure for the pain a person is feeling, which is what I said.
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Ksharp34
February 3, 2024 at 9:16 PM
It does affect those around you. And his mind and reasons for suicide were in part a misunderstanding. His girl friend wasn’t involved with someone trying to figure out how to split with him. So job and marriage were his two goals. One of them was not hopeless. His mom should kill her self cause she cleans? She is working and eating and paying the electric bill. Why can’t he? Why can’t he clean? It’s a blessing he didn’t get that job he might have been working covering up for serial killer CEO if he had gotten the job. You knew that interruption on the way to the interview was connection while it was happening.
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20 ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
January 9, 2024 at 11:17 AM
I enjoyed the drama immensely - but only when I do think of it as a cat-and-mouse game between Yi-jae and Death and the unique challenges of each body. Looking at this show as a thesis on suicidality overall immediately makes it extremely reductive and individualist. I say this as someone who is also dealing with a mountain of unending debt, catastrophic costs of living, occasional unemployment (thankfully not now, phew), and the inherently traumatic experience that is being alive in a late-capitalist society, telling people to just "appreciate our loved ones", or to "think of the good we have" is not only not a solution, but also irresponsible and acquiescing to the sorry state of our societies. There are real, tangible solutions to our biggest societal issues and people who profit off of these issues continuing to exist. Sure, we can suffer and be miserable and push through it, but why should we? Lots to contemplate about. I feel like I could write a whole paper on this because this deals intimately with problems I've had, but I'll save y'all.
So yeah, I'll have to think of it as a fun, well-paced, brilliantly acted fantasy thriller instead of a commentary on anything. Seo In-gook is freaking back!!
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21 greg
January 9, 2024 at 4:10 PM
In the beginning scenes of ep. 2, 3 and 4 they showed the police working around the spot where Yi-jae hit the ground after jumping off the building. They showed us a woman's shoes and her body under cloth and a teddy bear. I assumed that when he jumped, he hit and killed a pedestrian and maybe a child, and maybe that was his biggest sin. What was the purpose of those scenes? Any thoughts? Am I wrong?
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glaeken
January 10, 2024 at 9:54 AM
I thought the same actually, but in hindsight, maybe it was a glimpse into the future - since time is clearly meaningless to Death.
Still, that would've made more sense. I can't comprehend why the suicidal guy is punished or played with like this, but not murderers (or serial killers) because they end way more lives and hurt many more people.
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Ksharp34
February 3, 2024 at 9:17 PM
We don’t really know except we got a clear view of hell remember. Perhaps they went there?
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lynnB
February 19, 2024 at 9:02 PM
That wasnt the scene of his suicide, that was actually glimpses of the future scene of his and Ji soo's death. The photo of him was from her purse.
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spazmo
March 1, 2024 at 6:17 PM
i thought i saw a doll, not a teddy bear... was it the later scene that honed in on the toy? was it a bear in the beginning? do i want to go back to check? i don't think so...
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22 glaeken
January 10, 2024 at 9:51 AM
Something I felt was amiss in the plot logic - killing oneself (suicide) is wrong because you hurt others. Sure, understood.
But then, murder is alright? Attempted murder, repeated murder, even serial killing? Shouldn't those people be punished far worse by death, for deeming to usurp her role and authority? How many people do they hurt?
I agree about the glimpses into societal issues which were overly simplified - if the show really wanted a conversation about why suicide is wrong, its message eludes me when these issues go quite deep.
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
January 12, 2024 at 5:20 PM
There's a reason for this, historically speaking. It's that suicide is a direct rejection of the current social order. It's a protest action against the status quo. It's why the more conservative and the more controlling a state is, the greater its rejection of suicide because if people start killing themselves then they're critiquing the system and by extension those with power.
If your suicide rate goes up, something has gone fundamentally wrong with your social systems and that's a challenge to those with power.
It's supposed to be the job of art to challenge that power not make nonsensical odes to how 'suicide is wrong' in some kind of abstract and fundamental way.
Still, I think having "suicide will inspire serial killers" to be the longest bow I've seen drawn and, if I was bothering to take issue with this - and I've sworn not to (too late I guess) - I'd be really angry at the show for its truly terrible philosophical underpinnings.
Glad I'm not commenting on it 😂
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Ksharp34
February 3, 2024 at 9:03 PM
The only reason suicide so wrong was it meant he would leave his mother behind and in pain. The worse thing you can do in Korea is not be a dutiful child to your parent. After academic dishonesty such as lying about school you attended, etc… The reason Korea has such a high rate of suicide among high evolved economics is there is no cultural prohibition of suicide. You just get to start over. Where you end up starting is supposed to depend on your former life. If you feel wronged though it’s easy to think you would start out next in a better circumstance. So I think they fact he sometimes was a powerful rich person and sometimes a helpless infant and sometimes poor with no connections nor good family status due to a parent dying or divorce and it still not working out helpful. People will have that in their minds. Suicides are higher when nothing is actually wrong in the world. When people have a purpose and common goal, like during war/occupation, suicide rates go down. Why could the guy not grow cabbages or clean? Or something else? The person without the degree is living fine. Does everyone have to live in or around Seoul?
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23 Kohumalli
January 13, 2024 at 12:45 AM
I really liked the play with the changing identities, but that would have been been enough. Playing with time travel too spoiled the drama.
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24 Anuradha
January 14, 2024 at 12:33 AM
Has anyone figured out what the broken doll lying beside their two dead bodies represent? I thought it represented broken down go young Jung's body the face is cracked, the serial killer has a broken doll in his studio. Does anyone have another explanation for the doll in red dress?
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25 Morinam
January 21, 2024 at 9:37 AM
This is my personal opinion of what I understood from the show (haven't read the manhwa/ webtoon unfortunately)...
I feel, putting Yee Jae in each body, death wanted him to feel how different people have different issues in their life, how many ways people die.. whether they like it or not.
These people will end up doing the same things that Yee Jae did while experiencing their life and they are supposed to die in the same way and Yee Jae is just experiencing their sufferings and pain to understand why committing suicide is wrong... Like the Psycho killer, he would have died after killing 15 people even if Yee Jae didn't end up in his body as he already has a tumor and he will end up meeting Tae U because of the painting he made. The painting he made with blood was before Yee Jae entered his body and some or the other day Tae U will see that and will want to meet the artist (killer) and when he does, he will end up going to his den with the killer.
So the same incidents will take place with or without Yee Jae and Yee Jae is just experiencing it. Although, he is supposed to try to prolong these lives somehow, but he doesn't understand the importance of life, so he is unable to do so till he enters his mother's body.
Someone asked how the police will get the evidence? Well I think the police office already was insulted enough so sooner or later he will end up playing a dutiful cop. As far as all the evidence is concerned, that will come to his hand in some or the other way... So Tae U will end up getting exposed and will eventually lead to the accident and end up in vegetative state...
What do you guys think about this theory?
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26 Qingdao: likes scented candles
January 25, 2024 at 3:16 AM
Sorry, probably not a popular opinion: Just another "do-over" or second chance show but with violent fillers. Big stars and great acting made it watchable.
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Ksharp34
February 3, 2024 at 9:21 PM
Don’t we all sometimes wish for a do over? Agree the cast I have enjoyed in other project. Agree too violent. Horror movies don’t have plots really. This drama had a storyline. If it was American there would be clean shooting. Not chainsaws. Reading recap cause I just can’t after the artist. Going to have nightmares. Actually learned how to remove continuing watching choices from Amazon prime so no one in my house clicks on that scene with the artist. Gosh. Least the baby scenes while tragic were not gore. Sincere thanks to the director the concept was tragic enough.
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27 gghhaalia
January 26, 2024 at 9:29 AM
why were there two dead bodies in choi yi jae suicide
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28 gadis
June 12, 2024 at 1:59 AM
As much as I found the Death character interesting and her particular brand of "punishment" intriguing, I couldn't help wondering what her true end goal was. I couldn't be happier that the 2nd half of this drama was dedicated solely to answer that question. What was the point of her sometimes unnecessarily cruel scenarios? Especially given the fact that Yi-jae is definitely not the worst person out there to get saddled with such punishment.
I was baffled at first when the drama seemed to climb towards its climax so quickly through the most agonizing death of serial killer Gyu-cheol, then through a too-good-to-be-true chance of arresting Park Tae-woo using a senior police officer Ahn Ji-hyeong's life. At the moment, it was simply exhilarating to watch Yi-jae finally paid attention to his surroundings and used the interlinking memories from all his 8 lives to stage that final showdown. It was well-played of Yi-jae to make use of his own not-ideal situation to bring about his revenge without violating Death's strict rules about murder and suicide attempt.
Still, nothing could beat Death when it comes to serving the ludicrous irony in life. That sequence of Yi-jae stopping himself before he killed Tae-woo for real, only for that serial killer to try to turn the situation around, ONLY for his near-death to come randomly in the form of the most ironic and deserved truck-of-doom ever is just *chef's kiss*. Nothing could top this.
Which was why I thought it was clever of the writer and PD to cut the adrenaline pump early, only to leave us with uncertain numbness in the aftermath of Park Tae-woo's anticlimactic end. How it felt like life screeched to a halt in that moment, abruptly changing its tune into something more ordinary and blessedly peaceful. It's interesting how Sun-jae and we (as viewers) felt both relieved that the bloodbath stopped once for all, yet also antsy for "something" to happen in his life. The next several lives only reinforced this complicated feelings and amplified the big question about "the meaning of life" when you seemed to have no or very little contribution in the greater scheme of things.
Yi-jae's struggle and subsequent desperation over this question was palpable until Death slapped him upside the head with his 12th life, the cruelest opportunity of all. Also the one that showed it the plainest: the element of selfishness in death by suicide. Nothing said it as real as watching the grief of your loved ones processing your death. Nothing felt as piercing as facing the same possibility of watching your loved ones die.
But this final life also has one of the most important and simple lesson: the importance of keep trying, of doing your best. The realization that life in itself was a huge endless opportunities. It hits deep when you realized that life could be so ordinary and not special in any way, and still be as equally precious and important in itself.
I love the ending where there is...
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gadis
June 12, 2024 at 2:01 AM
... there is still no guarantee of a conventional happy ending, except for the fact that we know for sure that Yi-jae is going to see his life through to the very end. It was exactly how life is for us all. And yet that determination was enough to make for a possibility of happy end, and that was more than enough for me.
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