Tell Me That You Love Me: Episodes 7-8
by Dramaddictally
Love blossoms between our leads after last week’s confession and it’s as tender and beautiful as we might expect. But not everyone cottons to the idea quickly, and in between the lovely moments lies prejudice ready to rear its ugly head. Plus, our third wheel turns out to be pretty likable, leaving some complicated feelings all around.
EPISODES 7-8
We left off last week with Mo-eun’s confession to Jin-woo out there by the seaside. She wants to make it clear that she likes him in case he’s not catching on. Jin-woo responds hesitantly, unsure if he can accept her feelings, guilty that she’s trying to learn his language, but he’ll never be able to speak hers. Ultimately, he says he wants to do many good things with her. And so, we’ve got ourselves a new couple — who starts things off right with a kiss at sunrise.
Then we see all the little day-to-day scenes I’ve been craving. She brings him lunch at his studio. They eat watermelon and discuss how to sign different words. They laugh and flirt, keeping it casual and light, and just have a nice time until she falls asleep while he’s painting. Then there are movie dates and after-work walks and little moments of skinship when he touches her hands to correct her signs. It’s all going along so smoothly.
At the same time, Seo-kyung is digging into her new role as director of the art museum. She’s researching a street artist who’s gaining popularity but who has remained anonymous. He tags his murals with “Dino.” We already know this is our hero and it’s not long before Seo-kyung starts to put two and two together.
We get an extended sequence of backstory showing Jin-woo and Seo-kyung in college when they were dating and in love. They’re heartbreakingly cute together, which makes me have complicated feelings since I’m rooting for our heroine. But it’s also necessary because then we understand just how complicated Jin-woo’s feelings are in the present when Seo-kyung is suddenly a part of his life again.
Seo-kyung comes to Jin-woo’s door and his face is heavy with heartache. When she’s inside, she says she has something to tell him, but first she needs to know that he’ll believe her if she says she’s okay. It’s a bit cryptic but we can only assume for now it’s referring to the fire, which we still don’t know much about.
Jin-woo says he believes her and she goes ahead with her proposal. As the new director, she’d like to give him his first solo exhibition so he can engage with people through his work. We learn that he’s not that well known of an artist (which I didn’t understand before since he obviously makes a living off of painting and teaching), and Seo-kyung wants to show his art to the world.
Jin-woo doesn’t like the idea but I’m not sure if it’s the idea of the exhibition or of working with Seo-kyung directly. So far, Seo-kyung is very likable. And every time Jin-woo sees her he looks like a hurt child. Whatever dynamic is unfolding, the tension is mounting.
Jin-woo and Mo-eun continue to grow closer, but there’s an event that shows us exactly what Jin-woo is afraid of. We learn he was bullied in high school. And for a few days he’s been seeing some high school students around, one of whom is being bullied. Initially, he doesn’t pick up what’s happening because he can’t hear what’s being said — but the student who is being bullied thinks that Jin-woo is just ignoring the abuse.
There comes a moment when Jin-woo understands the student is in trouble. When he finds the student in the street, it’s just at the moment when he’s decided to stand up to his bully and fight back, but he’s gone too far. He’s about to smash the bully with a brick when Jin-woo intercedes. The student curses Jin-woo for ignoring the situation before and pushes Mo-eun to the ground before running off.
This gives us a lovely little Band-Aiding moment where Jin-woo tends to Mo-eun’s scraped hand. But it also shows us how people misunderstand him, and why he’s afraid that the people he cares about will get hurt because of it. Whether or not this is leading up to a bigger event where Mo-eun gets hurt, I’m afraid to know.
While Mo-dam and Ji-yoo continue their flirtation — and Mo-dam even asks Ji-yoo to be his girlfriend and actively pursues her when she says no — I find their dynamic lackluster. The fact that they’re hanging out together in secret, though, leads to a very important moment.
The two run into Mo-eun and Jin-woo in the street and to cover up why they’re there together, they suggest the four go for drinks. It’s the first time Mo-dam has seen his sister’s new guy up close and when he realizes that Jin-woo is deaf, his whole demeanor changes. They go for drinks and Mo-dam pounds one after another, refusing to interact with Jin-woo.
Ji-yoo, who works at the museum with Jin-woo, tries to be friendly but is inadvertently annoying and somewhat offensive. She acts out what she’s trying to say to him, but her gestures obstruct her mouth, so he can’t read her lips. Mo-eun tells Ji-yoo to speak clearly and look at him and he’ll be able to understand. So then Ji-yoo just talks, but starts yelling all her words.
When they all leave, Mo-dam is not even trying to pretend he’s not bothered (and maybe even embarrassed) by Mo-eun and Jin-woo together. He goes off by himself and Mo-eun feels bad about how he acted. This whole sequence is such a contrast to last week’s table scene, where it was Mo-eun sitting around with Jin-woo’s friends. His friends are accommodating and welcoming, while Mo-eun’s group is not accepting or open-minded.
This becomes stark when, not long after, Jin-woo and Mo-eun are on a date with Ki-hyun and So-hee again and it’s full of camaraderie. They’re all joking around and Mo-eun fits right in with the group. Afterward, Mo-eun tells Jin-woo how she used to think silences meant a bad mood, and so when it was quiet she felt uncomfortable. Now, she feels like the two of them are having a silent conversation that never ends, and she feels it with her heart.
While they’re standing outside Mo-eun’s house, her parents show up unannounced. They see her signing to him and try to be cordial, until Mo-eun says they’re dating. The parents go into the house and seem dismayed, but when Mo-eun comes in behind them, we don’t see whatever conversation goes down.
Afterward, Mo-eun visits Jin-woo at his house and says she couldn’t wait until tomorrow, she missed him already. He comes out the door to walk her back home and asks if her parents left. She says yes, and then stops and takes his hands, as if to acknowledge she understands what happened with her parents and how he might feel. And then they kiss (and kiss and kiss) in a quiet, heart-felt ending that’s not filmed to excite but to transmit the tenderness.
We did a lot of setting up this week amidst the beautifully developing relationship between our leads. We’re only halfway through our story so trouble is definitely in the cards. And we have many avenues for it to arrive. I don’t think Mo-eun’s family is going to sit quiet about their disapproval. And her friend Jo-han has learned about the relationship too, making him avoid her out of discomfort. But who knows how long he’ll keep mum about his feelings for her.
We also have Seo-kyung who clearly still harbors feelings for Jin-woo. And Jin-woo is obviously conflicted whenever he sees her. She’s likable and wants to help his career and I’m liking the fact that the second female lead is not portrayed as a villain who we can’t wait to see discarded as an option. The emotions here are very real and even though I don’t think Jin-woo will waver in his feelings for Mo-eun, I’m super invested to see how the journey will play out.
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1 welh
December 20, 2023 at 10:25 AM
I like that the show uses childhood flashbacks like Hide N Seek to show the lasting impressions on Jinwoo’s personality. Emotionally, he liked being alone but at the same time he wanted to be found. Now, JW was living a quiet, shy life until ME approached him, learned to communicate with him, and accepted him as a normal man. It is rare in k-dramas that the FL takes an active role in confessing and starting a dating relationship but here it makes sense based upon JW’s insecurities and presumptions of how normal people act around him. JW only trusted those close friends who were around him for a long time. I don’t think SK is back to cause him trouble. I hope it may be more about closure of their past relationship. It is like Jo-Han being gut punched by the fact that ME and JW are dating; the fact that he had been friend-zoned for a long time and did nothing to change their dynamic does not make it any less painful. Likewise, Mo Dam’s change in feelings for Ji-Yu is in a similar vain: awkwardness to change the past relationship to something different and potentially dangerous. It will all depend upon mature acceptance by the parties. This show has great character maturity and communication skills.
The first seven minutes of Episode 8 were more masterful “showing and not telling” the story. JW and SK were a very cute campus couple. You could tell the trust and communication (even the silent moments) was real. SK may have returned to Korea for a second chance with JW but it appears that is not her overriding objective. She wants the world to “discover” JW, the painter. It may be a way of drawing him closer to her, but she can tell he has the same sentimental and introversion barriers from their past. I can understand JW making his art mainly for himself to avoid the criticism, judgment and rejection he has lived with because of his disability. It was evident when Modam meets him at dinner, and later when ME parents come to visit. Even ME seems a little embarrassed by him and her parents reaction. Stereotypical prejudices are hard to overcome. But the show continues to hit the mark that communication takes many forms: language, signs, body language, written words and silence. There is also a shadow theme that one has to confront their problems: the high school bully victim standing up to fight his abuser is another rarity in k-dramas but when I was growing up, it was the only way to earn respect and stop bully behavior.
There were so many good couple moments: SK and JW in college; Modam and Ji-Yu trying to communicate their feelings; Ki-Hyun and So-Hee’s lovely marital life; and the end ME and JW reaffirming their connection.
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jerrykuvira
December 20, 2023 at 11:30 AM
the fact that he had been friend-zoned for a long time and did nothing to change their dynamic does not make it any less painful.
Finally, someone says something similar to what I have in mind when situations like this arise. The history exists and we can't just brush it under the rug because this person isn't endgame.
In other words, it is sad that it took Jin-woo to get Jo-han to wake up. I'm not rooting for his character as a romantic endgame, but I really feel his pain. He must have missed his mark.
But I liked how he immediately put himself in order and called Mo-eun to smooth things. I don't know if it is closure on his feelings or the path to closure, but I like the mature way TMTYLM went about it.
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2 Kurama
December 20, 2023 at 10:37 AM
Hum... My first issue with this drama is Shin Hyun-Bin, she makes me feel nothing. My second issue is that 80% of the couple conversations are about his deafness, sign language. I wish to see them sharing more things and not just seeing their dates when they do something else.
I'm more interested in Seo-kyung! I think both characters need closure for the past to be completely happy, clearly what happened was traumatic for both of them. I like her character and their love story was cute.
The reactions of people like her brother or parents are so weird. If they don't agree, can't they hide it at least? Just to be polite and not make him feel small like they did.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
December 21, 2023 at 1:07 AM
This isn't the first K drama this year that uses sign language and tells you openly all the time and throughout most of the scenes that they are indeed using sign language. I haven't actually watched the Japanese drama this is inspired (sorry blatantly taken) from so it's tough to comment on whether this also was part of the original version.
The truth is that we are just watching baby steps in representation. Give it time and people will start writing more realistic representation. But we're not there yet.
This reminds me of Sue Thomas F.B.Eye hundreds of years ago (or so it feels) where the main character was a deaf woman working for the FBI and you had so many scenes where she would talk to people and she had a dog with her. I'm not saying this series got representation right either - because in her world, she was completely integrated and accepted and I barely remember sign language being used (it might have, but then I was watching the dog instead) and had an assistance dog. This was the unicorn happy fairy tale side of hearing impairment. It was a world in which being deaf was her strength (which in the real world is not quite accurate because the real world is not built for & by any of the impairment minorities... hence Sue Thomas being a unicorn happy fairy tale)
I feel Jin-woo may be closer to what it might feel like without a support system. But then, if he had an assistance dog, or cat, or even a pet llama that goes with him everywhere, I bet the whole plot would be about him having to ask people not to pet his furry guide.
And the writer is putting 100% effort in showing us that he's got no way of communicating apart from signing — which again is not accurate (hell, we people can say so much with no word at all; we have facial expressions and hands to point at things — that's 99% of every conversations when you visit a foreign country whose language you don't speak). It is a little over the top, but commendable. You have to start somewhere to build better representation. And this is where we start in 2023, by telling everyone that deaf people use sign language and that they communicate perfectly but we, the non-signing population, like to assume they can't communicate because we don't speak the lingo.
I'm waiting for next year when we all discover that the blind use walking sticks...
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Kurama
December 21, 2023 at 1:22 AM
I liked the Jdrama Silent.
It was about the ML who became deaf and how his world changed and his relationships with his family, friends, new friends.
It was very well written.
The difficulties of being deaf were adressed but it wasn't about only that.
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
December 21, 2023 at 4:37 AM
Is it the title: Silent? I'll give it a watch. I knew it wasn't originally Korean but I didn't know the original work!
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Kurama
December 21, 2023 at 4:53 AM
Oh, no it's another Jdrama.
The original one was Aishiteiru to Ittekure filmed in 1995.
Silent in a 2023 Jdrama with a different story. It's a young woman who meets by chance her highschool ex-boyfriend. She learned that he became deaf because of illness and he hide it from her and their friends, he just broke up with her in the past.
3 tabong
December 20, 2023 at 11:16 AM
"Misunderstandings happen because I can't hear."
"They happen because people think everyone can hear"
I actually liked Ji Yoo's attitude when the four of them were having drinks. She acted like that because she doesn't know anything about how to communicate with a deaf person, but also, she acted like that because she was trying to communicate with him.
She could've avoid the interaction completely or she could've asked Mo Eun to interprete and go with "tell him that I say...", but no, she actually wanted to interact directly with her best friend's boyfriend. She wanted to include him and show him (and her friend) that she supports this relationship and that she will accept him in her life. I liked that a lot. All the effective ways to communicate she can just learn them. For me what's more important is that she's willing to learn them. That's how I see it.
I didn't think she offended him that night, he was hurt, but not because of her.
Mo Dam was throwing lasers at him. Mo Dam's look was so cold and strong, I had a really hard time watching that scene.
But again, I loved how silence is also part of the conversation.
I think Mo Damn said only two sentences during the whole scene, but his eyes were having their own dialogue. The same happened with the dad. He probably only said a greeting and that was it. He didn't say anything else for the rest of the scene, but the expression on his face kept talking and talking non stop.
And Jin Woo, as someone that communicates with his body, with his eyes, he probably heard all that. He probably heard everything the body language of those two man said, every single word in their facial expressions, in their eyes...
So their silence made me feel more uncomfortable than wtv Ji Yoo did.
And when I saw the contrast with Jin Woo's friends, I just can't stop thinking "I hope someday we get to see something like this we her friends". Both group of friends have completely different life experience and knowledge. So we can see the chaos of their interactions with Jin Woo right now, but also, we have seen that their all good people and love Mo Eun very much. So I believe they'll get better with time when they truly understand "that not everyone can hear" and start learning how to communicate with him.
About Seo Kyung... Seo-kyung comes to Jin-woo’s door and his face is heavy with heartache. Jin Woo facial expression every time he sees Seo Kyung, breaks my heart. And I wonder how it feels like to have someone you loved looking at you like that.
The flashbacks are so powerful and they make me hope, there's an alternative world, were they both end together.
I just want them to heal and be happy.
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mmmmm
December 23, 2023 at 2:40 AM
I agree with everything you said. The scenes with the father and her younger brother were hard to watch; it’s especially hard when we know both are nice people and love ME very much. They just act in accordance with the prejudices they have grown accustomed in: Disabled people are different from the rest. This is so sad because it’s a stigma which society creates, not truth, which people hold close to their heart without knowing.
And yes, I don’t think Ji-yoo hurt the ML. She tries her best to communicate enthusiastically with the best of intentions, even when it comes off a little bit overdone or inappropriate. I agree that what would probably have hurt the ML more were the reactions from ME’s family. Knowing that her closest and dearest are not that open towards him being their daughter’s boyfriend probably hurts ..a lot.
One of the most endearing and heartachingly beautiful scenes for me is that flashback scene when he told her he wouldn’t want to see her again if they broke up because he wouldn’t be able to do as it would be too hurtful for him as he loved her so much broke my heart. And look at them right now: One tries to find her way back into his life (to give a closure to him, I believe) and one has to relive the past once again is just .. (no words).
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mmmmm
December 23, 2023 at 10:09 AM
The last paragraph I talked about the ML’s ex. I forgot to mention that. ^^’
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tabong
December 23, 2023 at 10:27 AM
I just hope the next time they meet they treat him better. They don't have to pretend to like him, but at least acknowledge his existence. I hope part of the family reactions were because of the "shock".
Thinking of Ji Yoo again... We have seen how she has treated him all this time, even before he dated ME, and she always has been really nice to him. I just love her.
Those flashbacks are really heartbreaking. Like you said, there's no words to describe their situation and how it makes them (us) feel. I just want them to heal and be happy. 🥺
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lynnB
December 28, 2023 at 1:11 AM
I agree that I don't think Ji Yoo was rude, but she's had time to adjust to all of this. I think we forget that she's been working with him for months, unlike Modam and the Father. Also, I think just like Jin Woo can interpret people's reactions to him, they can also interpret his reaction to them. Jin Woo is very closed off and uninterested in engaging with the world. As he said Moeun found him while he was hiding. Throughout that dinner he made no effort whatsoever to engage or talk to her friends. That interaction was two sided but all the comments I see here just judge her friends' behavior. He didn't ask the brother any questions even after Ji Yoo and Moeun talked about his job. He reacted disinterested in whatever information was shared with him. We know why he's behaving that way, we've had 8 episodes with him. To us he's the little boy hiding wanting to stay hidden and yet be found. But Modam (who seems very social) is just meeting him. As their dinner went on longer and became more socially awkward, you see Modam retreat into himself and just start drinking. Jin Woo's friend group's dynamics is very different not only because they have had years to build it, but also because Moeun was very affable and engaged when meeting them. She spoke and acted interested in them. I also think we've judged both Modam and the father's reaction through the lens of our love for our ML and the desire to protect him. Like Jin Woo, we are preemptively assuming a lot of negative reactions because of past experiences and expectations. I went back after reading your comment to look at Mo Dam's expressions and (to me, only an opinion) he just looked really uncomfortable and was avoiding eye contact. He even managed a very tight-lipped smile when he made accidental eye contact. He stopped to politely address Jin Woo when he was leaving (although Jin Woo never addressed him the whole night). As for the father, he didn't seem to be much of a talker anyway (when Moeun finally told them her secret) and they had no idea she was dating. That whole situation is awkward. I don't think we can judge much from these short awkward first meetings. We can't forget Moeun's own reaction to him during their first meeting. We also have to be careful to not make Jin Woo's disability his identity. When people meet him their not just meeting a deaf person, they're meeting a deaf person with his personality (which is not very open).
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mmmmm
December 28, 2023 at 1:35 AM
Reading your comment is insightful, and I agreed with certain points. But one thing that perhaps we didn’t feel the same is that while I understood the parents’ surprise and somewhat a bit shocked manner (which is understandable), Mo-dam acted, by facial expressions and body language, in the way that he disapproved of his noona’s boyfriend, at least when he first saw and met the ML and when they had dinner together. He saw the ML, and he knew the ML is deaf before the day they had dinner together (if I’m not wrong). He had more time to process his feelings before that dinner unlike how the FL’s parents met him and the FL on the spot and had to react. To me, by the time they had dinner, the ML sensed that Mo-dam didn’t approve of him, so he kept to himself more. Mo-dam looked uncomfortable and closed off before the ML did. At least that was my take while watching it.
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lynnB
December 28, 2023 at 1:01 PM
Modam didn't know before the dinner. He only saw them walking (they held hands, but never communicated by signing). When he mentioned it to his sister later, she didnt tell him either. That's why after the dinner Ji Yoo said maybe she should have told Modam. Which I think is very generous of her because that isn't her responsibility. Moeun should have told her brother when he brought it up. She'd already told her best friend. And I don't know that Jin Woo sensed disapproval or he walks into these situations already armed against rejection because of his past. Jin Woo's body language is distancing. At all times. Again we understand why (we've had access to his thoughts and he explained that because he can't hear, he keeps a distance from people, so no one gets hurt). But people just meeting him don't know that.
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tabong
December 28, 2023 at 12:38 PM
Thank you for your comment!!! I just rewatched the scene and I noticed that Mo Dam's eyes weren't cold at all. He just looked kinda sad and uncomfortable (sorry for misunderstanding you, Mo Dam).
He wasn't rude, it was all my bias. And the same goes to dad.
On the other hand, it's true that Jin Woo is in his own world, but I don't find it that weird how he acted in that scene, maybe it's because I would've acted like him or worse (I lack social skills big time). Hahaha.
I feel like everytime he looked at Mo Dam it was because he was expecting Mo Dam to talk to him. When I'm strangers I mainly listen, especially if all the strangers know each other and I'm the only one that isn't part of the "gang". So I feel like he was waiting for Mo Dam to give him something first, so he can take that and start participating and in the conversation (the girls were talking about Mo Dam's job).
Also, it can be my bias (and my own lack of social skills) again, but maybe he was waiting to get the "signal" that talking to Mo Dam was okay? Since Mo Dam looked uncomfortable maybe he didn't feel like taking the first step.
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lynnB
December 28, 2023 at 1:10 PM
Oh definitely! Jin Woo waits to be "found". And my heart hurts for that because in his life only three people have "found" him. But it's very understandable. Even in his friend group he doesn't really "talk". He sits and watches the interactions around him. Because that's what he did for most of his formative years. From 7-18 he was in a world that did not communicate with him. Those are formative years and that lack of communication would have definitely shaped his personality. Look at how talkative his wife's friend is. She must have had a very different deaf experience. I think he was definitely waiting for Modam to give him something (but at the moment Modam had nothing to give). It was just an awkward meeting, but that's okay. Moeun's first meeting with Jin Woo wasn't smooth and pleasant either. We don't always react or say the right things at the right time. There is space and grace for growth.
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tabong
December 28, 2023 at 1:41 PM
I think this side of him isn't from childhood or adolescence (or being deaf) but more of a post-Seo Kyung effect.
In the flashbacks we see a totally different side of him. And everytime his friend talks about their past it's mostly in a good light. He obviously had difficulties growing up but that didn't change him completely.
Actually, what I understand is that he was okay with who he was, and knew how to live his life as anyone else (since he lost his hearing at a young age). And he just started to feel so insecure and inadequate after Seo Kyung's accident.
4 jerrykuvira
December 20, 2023 at 12:01 PM
I wanted you to know in case you didn't catch on. No. Scratch that. I wanted you to know incase you were pretending not to know.
This was very introspective. He was indeed pretending not to know for his own heart's safety. Add in the flashback about loving the silence but also wanting to be found. It made sense that he pretends not to know. It 1.) protects him from hurt and 2.) be sure that whoever decides to find him did it with intention. He always wanted to be found, but he had to be sure you wanted to find him. Just like Ki-hyun always wanted to find him. And Mo-eun saying incase he pretends to not know she likes him was a semblance to the hide and seek - like Ki-hyun, she wants to find him so all he needs to do is want to be found.
And then Seo-kyung. I like how she's not your titular textbook SFL. The maturity in TMTYLM is just excellent.
If we break up, I'll never see you again. And then he goes on to clarify : "To see you again after breaking up as if nothing happened, I like you too much.
This was excellent, well constructed and beautifully thought out words.
This particular dialogue was sweet. And it only sold the university romance a top further : it was memorable, for both of them. And thier break-up? It shaked their worlds in ways beyond imagining. Seo-kyung might tell us she's okay, but Jin-woo is clearly still affected. I look forward to when they both can hold a conversation without the sad hurt look on Jin-woo's face.
Mo-eun's father didn't even try to mask his disapproval/disappointment/____, that was very impolite to someone you're meeting for the first time. Mo-dam no less than his father. Their relationship isn't normal. And it has challenges. I hope everyone gets it in their heads first.
Mo-eun's mom on the other hand was cordial in her conversation, manner of speech and body language. Even if she'll raise her concerns to Mo-eun, the question she asked Ji-yu gave me some kind of insight to what thier chat with Mo-eun will be about, and that she does not hold the same disapproval mindset her husband has. She was shocked, yes. It's normal. Not everyone gets introduced to her child's man on first meeting and a random one at that.
Mo-eun has one strike for pursuing to be an actress. And now there is this strike which makes two. I'm guessing her dad is now doubly disappointed.
Watching the quad interact was so much fun. A whole lot of talk goes down whenever Ki-hyun, So-hee, Jin-woo and Mo-eun gather at the table. One of the highlights this week? 1.)Mo-eun bringing no gifts for Ki-hyun and 2.) So-hee coming to her husband's rescue from all the roasting. Can the people from Mo-eun's side try to graduate to this? I look forward to how TMTYLM goes about this.
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tabong
December 20, 2023 at 12:49 PM
I love the dynamic between Mo Eun and Ki Hyun. She never lets him win. Hahaha.
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mmmmm
December 23, 2023 at 2:52 AM
I believe and can relate to the disappointment the father seems to have. This is something that needs another post of its own: How prevalent is this kind of disappointment (the disappointment towards your children), should this be addressed? Is this valid OR should it be valid? How should this be fixed if we think it’s not valid?
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5 Dylan [Suffering from Judge from Hell brainrot]
December 20, 2023 at 2:05 PM
1. The Mo-siblings are always the first to confess their feelings, I love how proactive they are. Anyways, their dating era was adorable. Mo-eun was glowing the past 2 episodes, that Jinwoo effect…
2. But no wonder Jinwoo wasn’t willing to commit fully to their relationship. Even leaving aside the gulf between a hearing and non-hearing person, the way her family reacted to him… the look on Mo-dam and her parents’ faces. Moeun herself seemed like she was ashamed of dating Jinwoo? anyways, Mo-eun already seems unsure if the relationship is viable at all. Oh, the next 8 episodes are going to be angsty for sure… Healing era is gone.
3. Sekyoung. My heart really breaks for her. She seems very lonely and lost imo, at least in her personal life. Post-breakup, she can’t even visit her friends and her places, bc they’re all linked to Jin-woo. Prior to the breakup, during their college days… "If we breakup, I can't meet you again like nothing happened bc I like you too much” I really wish Sekyoung and Jin-woo got their happy ending, no matter how much of a Moeun x Jinwoo shipper I am. In the present, I’m relieved that JW and SK kept it professional and didn’t cross any lines… JW is dating someone rn.
4. not only did they cast Sekyoung really well (she looks a lot like her young version's actress), her outfits and makeup are always amazing.
5. Can we have one kdrama without horrific bullying? I understand why the victim feels so incensed with Jin-woo, but it’s such a tragic misunderstanding. I wonder if JW will take the kid under his wing?
6. I didn't feel bad for Johan at all. Moeun is glowing with happiness - even her brother noticed - and he's bringing down her mood bc he's jealous his friend is dating someone else. Then, I just found him hilarious; the man fled his own condo just so he wouldn’t have to face the awkwardness of meeting Mo-eun again. And hey, at least he apologized & congratulated her later.
7. Shoutout to the watermelon scene. Poor man just wants to eat his watermelon and she made him teach an entire sign language course 😭😭 I loved how he pretends not to see her questions, like a mischievous puppy.
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jerrykuvira
December 20, 2023 at 2:25 PM
I don't think she's ashamed of him. She's wary of her parents reaction and we don't need more than how many scenes to know she was right to be wary a la her dad and brother. If she was ashamed of dating Jin-woo she wouldn't have told her parents that this is the man she's seeing. Or perhaps you say she's ashamed because she didn't sign that part of her exchange to her parents so Jin-woo can hear it too. But I don't think there was a need for her to do so, incase that's the angle you're coming from.
It is very easy for people to be prejudiced about disabilities. And it is very natural to expect people to frown at your choice to associate with them, moreso in this kind of intimate manner.
Their romance is not without it's challenges. It'll be a fairytale if we expect it to be a smooth sailing for them on all fronts.
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6 Kafiyah Bello
December 20, 2023 at 2:07 PM
I'm confused as to why anyone would care that he is deaf. It makes it harder to communicate, but who cares in the long run. Modam and their dad were acting like he was some kind of malicious thug. It is a very weird prejudice to have, but I guess most prejudices are weird. I liked that she went to check on him and I appreciate Ji Yoo for trying because she sees her friend happy.
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welh
December 20, 2023 at 2:20 PM
I think I brought this up before elsewhere, but I understand Korean culture has four pillars: education, wealth, status and health as the pinnacle. Vibrant health is a holdover from a poor, agricultural society work ethic. In a perfection mindset, a person who is unhealthy or having a disability is shunned as being defective or unworthy to be a member of someone else's family line. It is a deep rooted stereotype.
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Kafiyah Bello
December 20, 2023 at 6:13 PM
Ahhh, that is terrible, thank you for explaining.
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7 Dylan [Suffering from Judge from Hell brainrot]
December 20, 2023 at 2:08 PM
And yes to how much more warmer and wholesome Jin-woo's friend group is compared to Mo-eun's friends and family.
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mmmmm
December 23, 2023 at 3:01 AM
And isn’t it ironic that people with disabilities are more open-minded and live a generally happier life? They are more open-minded (perhaps the situation they are in made them so), but overall they don’t have some of the most comment prejudices hearing people have.
In the end, it’s all about perspective. Ki-hyun’s family illustrates it all.
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Kurama
December 23, 2023 at 3:49 AM
It's funny. But in the Jdrama Silent, the ML had difficulties to find his place between his deaf friends and his family because both side had expectations about how he should behave as a new deaf person.
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Midnight
December 23, 2023 at 4:36 AM
People with disabilities might be more open-minded, but I don't think they generally live happier lives. It nearly completely depends on their family and friends states of mind. Same as @kurama has said.
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mmmmm
December 23, 2023 at 10:11 AM
I see. Yeah, that is probably right because they have to depend on others more than other seeing people.
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8 JoziGirl
December 20, 2023 at 2:43 PM
In the world of kdrama there are a few different qualities that would disqualify a potential suitor in the eyes of the 'in-laws' and even without taking his deafness into consideration, our poor male lead seems to tick all of the boxes!!
He's an orphan.
He a struggling artist / doesn't have a very stable job.
He doesn't own his own home.
He's much older than her.
So, we all know that the only way he will ever get her family to approve of them, would be to take the 2FL up on her offer of having a solo exhibition and s9mehow becoming really rich and famous. 😁
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mmmmm
December 23, 2023 at 3:03 AM
Hahaha. You’re probably right, though we don’t need that to know he is already an awesome soul.
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9 Mrs Buckwheat
December 20, 2023 at 5:36 PM
Can I just say THAT kiss wins the best kiss of the year hands down. That had to be the most tender, heartfelt, moving, loving, beautiful expression of emotions between two characters and at the same time moved the plot forward without saying a word.
I love this show so much.
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10 Neolttwigi
December 21, 2023 at 11:12 PM
Why is it so important for Jin-Woo to believe that Seo-Kyung "is OK"? The whistling may be a mental illness- Could Jin-woo not hear it in the past because it only occured in Seo-Kyungs mind? But he was unable t0 tell her/help her because he could not Not/Hear it? Did Seo-Kyung start the fire herself? Who broke up with who? Or was Seo-Kyung bullied in some way that Jin-Woo was unaware of, causing her to be hurt? I think Johan will step up and be a real support to Mo-eun. He is heart broken, but he gets it. Mo-Eun learned sign language after meeting a guy once- and not even knowing if she would meet the guy again. Johan knows he is out of the race
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11 Neolttwigi
December 21, 2023 at 11:31 PM
Korea Culture Watch- Jin-Woo's house appears to be right along the Seoul city wall. Probably unlikely for a struggling artist to rent! But houses along the walls seem to be common in K-drama land, I wonder if it is because they are more likely to have good access roads and less neighbours to disturb during filming? The place where Jin-Woo and Mo-Eun sits is along a new, rebuilt section of wall, so probably in the Inwangsun Mountain section
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12 mmmmm
December 23, 2023 at 3:17 AM
Somehow, I missed this thread and kept wondering why DB hadn’t uploaded it yet. 😅
I’ll always root for the ML and FL. Jo-Han is nice and has been a very good and close friend to ME, but he hasn’t done anything to change the dynamic of the relationship until he got dumped and she found herself a man. What is interesting here is that he is loved by ME’s family. I think he’ll play an important role in the next eps re the ML and FL’s relationship.
The dialogues about wanting to hide and wanting to be found is just so insightful. The ML wanted to hide from the world because the world treats him as an insignificant person, the person who has to try to “fit in” the community. But he also wanted real relationships with people, so he always wanted to be found by the right people who really wanted to find him. The suggestion given by Ki-hyun was right: He deserves happiness and it might be him himself who set the barrier between him and the others.
The flashback scenes at the beginning of ep8 made me cry. They were so beautiful and so beautifully shot. I read it from somewhere that it’s quite sure millennials will love this show and this sequence of scenes because in the past, relationships seemed to develop like that: Slow, steady, tender with so much consideration.
ME is indeed a strong soul. As Ji-yoo mentioned, she is admirable to have the gut to follow her dream. I’m sure she is suitable for our ML in every way. Even when their ages might have a big gap, it looks pretty clear to me that their maturity levels match, and that they are comfortable in each other’s company. If those aren’t something to look for in good and healthy relationships, I don’t know what is.
P.S. I love the fact that we got to see them dating at an aquarium when they could be in a “deep sea”. It’s so smart and thoughtful of the script to let them date in that place because the ML used to say that in the crowd he felt lonely like being in a deep sea because he could t hear people’s talking or anything. Now he had someone with him in a deep sea and he and she had a good time watching those fish. Instead of feeling bad, a deep sea becomes another place of good memories.
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13 A
December 28, 2023 at 9:41 PM
Why isn't the review for ep 9 n 10 up yet pls?..
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