Not Others: Episodes 1-2
by Dramaddictally
ENA’s new mother-daughter comedy Not Others starts in unusual territory mixing heartfelt and raunchy in equal measure. At its core, the drama gives us an examination of a unique relationship — an adult daughter and her single mother — but it’s also setting us up for a crime comedy, with a central cop character and various cases its first week. If this seems like a strange blend, the fact that it’s all sex jokes and coarse humor only adds to the curiosity.
EPISODES 1-2
The first episode of Not Others hooked me in right away with two characters I felt instant empathy for as we peeked into their all-to-realistic daily lives. I was prepared for a slice-of-life comedy with quirky interactions and mother-daughter moments and I couldn’t wait for Episode 2. But by the end of the second episode, I felt my excitement wane as the realism was overshadowed by plot threads about newsworthy crimes and our leads’ involvement in them.
But, let’s start with the strong stuff. We open in the past with a little girl and her young mother sitting on a beach. The mom is there to scope out the scantily clad men but can’t get a date with her daughter glued to her side. She tries to get the little girl to go into the water and play, but the daughter already knows her mom too well — if she leaves, Mom might take up with some random dude. Finally, the mom gives in and the two just sit there on the sand, eating fried chicken together. And this short sequence tells us everything we need to know: these two are stuck with each other.
It’s really a brilliant and heart-wrenching intro that sets the tone for the whole relationship between our main characters. We come to learn that the mom, KIM EUN-MI (Jeon Hye-jin), got pregnant in high school by her friend’s brother, who then transferred schools never to be heard from again. The daughter, KIM JIN-HEE (played by Sooyoung with a distractingly pretty bob), was raised by her single mother in an environment where the two felt more like friends and roommates than parent and child.
And the dynamic between these two — now that Jin-hee is 29 and Eun-mi is somewhere in her mid-40s — is brutally and endearingly realistic. They seem to be in a perpetual argument about everything from laundry and housekeeping to movie choices and banchan preferences. But the tensions are never resolved, in part, because there’s also love here — they both know the other isn’t going anywhere and it results in a lot of bad behavior, easily brushed off.
When we meet Jin-hee she’s a lieutenant at police headquarters who’s about to be demoted. It’s not that she’s done anything wrong, but as her boss explains, they need a scapegoat “to satisfy the press” as the police take heat for their overall poor job (and something to do with nepotism and the commissioner’s son). So, Jin-hee is moved from her desk job at headquarters to a street beat at the local police precinct in her neighborhood.
At her new job, she’s partnered with a sunbae, EUN JAE-WON (Park Sung-hoon), who was one of her training officers when she joined the police academy. The two have never gotten along, and Jin-hee goes out of her way to try to avoid working with him. But, as circumstance would have it, she ends up not only in the same office, but right beside him in the police cruiser.
Their first call together happens to come from Jin-hee’s own apartment, when Eun-mi calls for help after a burglary. She’s come home to find the door ajar with the contents of her panty drawer missing. The leadup to this is that the two women keep blaming each other for missing underwear, and here we learn that someone has been coming into their apartment to steal them. Although, we also find out that Eun-mi did in fact hide Jin-hee’s underwear out of spite when she was angry.
When the police arrive, Eun-mi immediately hits on Jae-won — as her personality hasn’t changed much since that early scene on the beach — and Jin-hee is left to interrogate the neighbors about the panty thief. She finds the culprit quickly, when the man she’s questioning bends down and a red thong sticks out the back of his shorts. She grabs him by her mother’s underwear as he tries to run away and — rather than call Jae-won for backup — she yells for her mom. It’s another revelatory moment about the relationship between these two where, as much as they fight, they’re also an unbreakable duo.
Much of these episodes is an introduction to the personalities of our leads and also their relationship to each other. Eun-mi is a spitfire who acts out when she doesn’t know how to get what she wants. At the same time, it’s easy to see how her passive-aggressive (sometimes manipulative) behavior is her only real source of power. Like, when the panty thief is let off the hook as a first time offender, Eun-mi harasses him by shipping box after box of lacy underwear to his apartment until he decides to move out.
The thing is, she uses similar tactics with her daughter as well, and Jin-hee is usually the one who ends up feeling guilty and apologizing, rather than both women taking responsibility for their actions. Eun-mi repeatedly gives her the silent treatment and calls her a bitch (or hides her underwear) when she doesn’t like something Jin-hee has done. And Jin-hee apologizes not only because she’s more mature than her mother, but because there’s an unavoidable hierarchy here. Eun-mi may act immature, but she’s still the mother.
And this is the central tension, and central joke, of the drama. Eun-mi is only in her mid-40s and she feels and acts differently than she’s treated by the people around her — who think she should act older because she has a 29-year-old kid. Of course, this isn’t how it works; these two women have essentially grown up together. But it leads to a ton of misunderstandings of each other’s feelings. Jin-hee thinks she’s completely obedient to her mom, to the point of being a pushover, but Eun-mi thinks her daughter does whatever she wants. They’re struggling to see each other’s perspectives, and in a show with enough honesty to tell it like it is, I wonder if or how we’ll see them change.
We end our premiere week far out of slice-of-life territory when we learn that a “brave citizen” who stopped a street crime is being asked to come forward and claim a reward for their good deed. It turns out Eun-mi is the brave citizen and she tells Jin-hee she wants to go get her prize. But Jin-hee counters that the criminal hasn’t been caught yet and if Eun-mi makes her identity known, she could put herself in danger. In the epilogue, we see the CCTV footage with Eun-mi’s face scrambled as it appears on the news, but someone is unscrambling it to reveal who she is.
I’m worried about how much this story is going to revolve around crime. After two episodes, we’ve been introduced to four cases, and they’re not just there to serve as a backdrop because Jin-hee is a cop. All of the cases have involved our leads’ personal lives somehow and appear to be pushing the plot. I’d argue that this show hardly needs a plot with these two actresses playing these two characters. There’s tons of likability here just watching the psychology of the whole thing unfold. It’s got some smart writing, a couple of well-observed characters, and enough tension between them to fill all twelve episodes with no problem. Add in the side conflicts with bosses (and likely some romance) and we’ve got a lot of drama without any criminals going after Mom.
I really want to like this show. I love the setup and its microscope lens on the mother-daughter dynamic, but I’m having a hard time finding it funny. I laughed out loud only once — when Jin-hee searches the internet for what to do when you walk in on your mom watching porn and doing the things that go along with said activity. It’s funny because Jin-hee understands even before hitting search that there’s no advice to be had. The awkwardness ends up being a running issue in the first episode and the drama resolves it by having Jin-hee take Eun-mi to a women’s sex toy shop to pick out whatever she wants. And, as strange as it may sound, I’d say that really sums up the tone of the show. It’s a bit cringey, but it sure does have its heart in the right place.
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Tags: Ahn Jae-wook, first episodes, Jeon Hye-jin, Not Others, Park Sung-hoon, Sooyoung
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1 Linarrick
July 19, 2023 at 7:40 PM
RANDOM RAMBLINGS:
‘’Should I buy my mother a vibrator?’’
Is the most iconic line I’ve heard in a kdrama 😂
Actually buying said item for her mother, blew my mind 🤯
I think this the first time I’m seeing Jeon Hye-jin!? Wow she’s got screen presence and not to mention she’s gorgeous!
Okay so unpopular opinion but here me out, Jae-won is clearly older than Jin-hee and he’s her boss/superior at work.
So what if, what if, instead of a romance between them, we get a romance between Jae-won and Eun-mi?? Jin-hee having Jae-won as her stepdad would be all sorts of hysterical! And bonus I get a Noona romance! Give me the messy drama show!
The humour works for me, but the cop aspect will most likely lead to the dreaded serial killer plot *sigh*
@Dramaddictally, I like your observation on how the mother and daughter have different perspectives on how they view their relationship. They are codependent for sure and I’m curious if or when each find a romantic partner, how that will effect their relationship
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redwingkdrama
July 19, 2023 at 8:13 PM
Jeon Hye Jin was very good in Misty. Side note- she is married to Lee Sun Kyun and seems to be taking on more drama projects now.
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fab
July 21, 2023 at 10:39 AM
I thought he was married to non-actor!
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DancingEmma
July 19, 2023 at 9:43 PM
I second your suggestion. I’m not a fan of relationships with power-disparity no matter how they try to dress it.
Also, the weecap can say “masturbating”, right? The robo-censor won’t go bonkers?
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Cay_sbtgoG
July 20, 2023 at 4:51 PM
Let's hope the killer won't take as much time as CCIR.
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2 Unaspirated
July 19, 2023 at 7:50 PM
I don’t quite know how I feel about this yet. I might be the opposite of you, @dramaddictally, in that I would welcome a solid plot to drive us along. Slice-of-life really isn’t my thing, and while I did love some aspects of the mother-daughter relationship, other parts didn’t work as well for me.
Part of this is the fact that I haven’t quite warmed up to Eun-mi yet. I understand why she is the way she is, but every time I picture having a mother like her, it just stresses me out. I think my favorite part of their dynamic so far was when Jin-hee started compulsively cleaning and organizing, and even though Eun-mi complained about it the whole time, she knew enough and supported her daughter enough to join in.
Probably unsurprisingly, my fav bit so far is the relationship between Jin-hee and Jae-won, and I’m definitely interested enough in it and in the other aspects of the show to come back next week, so we’ll just have to see how things develop.
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3 Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
July 19, 2023 at 7:52 PM
Thanks, @dramaddictally! My take was a little different - I was glad the second episode turned outward a bit because I found the mother-daughter focus claustrophobic. The raunchiness and the frank mentions of various sexual practices and proclivities caught me off guard, but establishing that sex is real and happens and is a continuing preoccupation even for (gasp!) 40+ women is a welcome development. The sexist scapegoating is enervating and so is Eun-mi so far; she’s a pretty unsympathetic person right now and I fear her shamelessness will not wear well. I hope this is yet another case of character-establishing behavior being exaggerated in the first episodes and she’ll become more nuanced, because otherwise this is going to be a FF-fest at best and Sooyoung and Park Sung-hoon deserve more - they have my full attention already.
Jae-won seems like a man who is not just angry but hurt, and I want to know how, and what Jin-hee had to do with it.
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LaurenSophie
July 19, 2023 at 8:11 PM
I agree about Jae-won. I initially wondered if something romantic once happened between them and Jin-hee then ghosted him. And the way she responded to his constant criticisms with immediate conciliation (even if you could tell she was cursing him out in her head) also suggested she feels some embarrassment or guilt for something. I liked their vibe--or the potential for it to evolve into something good--a lot, although I hope he softens fairly quickly.
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DancingEmma
July 19, 2023 at 9:46 PM
Was he demoted/reassigned because of what she did at the outset? Did I get that wrong as I might have since I was multitasking.
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captainlaika
July 19, 2023 at 10:48 PM
No, or at least not for the one where she anonymously reported about the child abuse case. But he was upset that two of his co-workers got in trouble/demoted for that (plus whatever their history is at the academy, he seems to disapprove of her in general)
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Blue (@mayhemf)
July 20, 2023 at 9:37 AM
I think his disapproval was because of her reason to join police force. I believe she said something along the lines of wanting to protect herself and family? So that irked him because he didn't believe that should be the reason for joining police as it should be for public and she should be putting them first, not family.
Also, she was probably not following orders as he expected her to and caused him trouble.
Now that he sees her family situation he probably will understand why she chose to become a cop.
4 LaurenSophie
July 19, 2023 at 8:08 PM
I had a similarly excited and anticipatory feeling after the first episode that then shifted into some mild irritation and disappointment by the end of the second. I agree that the show has some sharp writing, an intriguing central mother/daughter relationship, and a promising love/hate romantic set-up with the daughter and her sunbae. I didn't laugh out loud a lot, but I was often amused, and appreciated the "we all do it--or we should" use of masturbatory humor.
I started to get a little irritated, though, when the show shifted its focus to the story of the underwear thief. The plot needed a minor petty crime, but did that crime have to focus on a one-note pervert (which is how he was depicted) who likes to wear women's underwear? Frankly, when said pervert ranted about how society's biggest problem is that it can't get over a man doing something feminine (like wearing woman's underwear), I kindof agreed with him. But of course, that line was not meant to be serious and the whole escapade was just about plot and the development of the mom's character. Whereas the masturbation stuff at least felt somewhat relatable and funny, the sneering, thong-wearing thief gag just felt cheap and regressive to me.
But there were enough good moments in these first two episodes to keep me watching. I'm also interested in seeing where the bully story might be going.
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Asha13
July 19, 2023 at 8:27 PM
The problem, in my head, wasnt that he was wearing panties but that he broke into their home and stole her panties to wear. He got his jollies from thinking they were the 29 year old's panties. That to me makes him a pervert. I would feel so violated.
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Linarrick
July 19, 2023 at 8:43 PM
Yes exactly it would definitely feel like a violation
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Nefret
July 20, 2023 at 12:13 AM
I once had my car broken into and a coat rummaged through for cash. I still remember how extremely uncomfortable I felt that someone had invaded my private space. How must you feel when your home is invaded to take underwear? If I then knew that it was my neighbour who stole these underwear specifically in order to wear them, I would probably go crazy too.
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LaurenSophie
July 20, 2023 at 7:28 AM
I completely understand that. My point--which I should have made better--is not that the character as written wasn't a pervert who violated the women's space and right to privacy, but that the writers literally could have written a character doing any kind of crime to serve the plot for which he was needed, but they ultimately chose to depict a man wearing women's clothing, and to make him a complete and total creep--no nuance whatsoever. There are enough negative depictions of these kinds of characters (whether they're presented as "cross dressers" or trans) in media throughout history--did we really need yet another? The fact that the character was essentially a caricature just added to that problematic legacy.
Look, I know that this show is not "Under the Queen's Umbrella" or "Mad for Each Other," two dramas that decided to include a fully fleshed out trans character. But precisely because the writers had no interest in doing that, and, again, only needed to depict any kind of character doing any kind of theft, I felt the decision to choose this particular type of thief and depict him in such a stereotypical, non-nuanced way, was regressive and unnecessary.
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Seon-ha
July 20, 2023 at 9:26 AM
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Seon-ha
July 20, 2023 at 9:39 AM
Yes, it seems to me that the most important issue here is that this dude broke into a woman’s house to steal her underwear, not that he, himself, likes to wear women’s underwear.
But the two issues were not well distinguished, IMO, and the shaming seemed focused more on the wearing than on the targeted stealing of these garments.
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Scottie
July 21, 2023 at 3:01 AM
Apparently men stealing underwear worn by women is not that unusual and should be seen as a sexual crime, many of these men go on to rape women.
This is how I also read this plot line. This neighbour got a kick out of wearing not new panties which he could have bought himself, but items he thought had been worn by a sexually attractive woman - he cannot buy those, he has to steal them, there is no other way. The important point is that these panties have been in close contact with a woman's most private parts, not that they are lacy and feminine.
I was disappointed that he was not dealt with by the police as the sexual predator he is, but as a harmless guy who likes to wear panties and we are and should be really more tolerant about these things. He is not harmless and I do not see anything wrong with highlighting this particular sex crime.
That he can be driven out of the building with boxes of new lacy underwear only shows that the mother knew how to use the prejudices of the neighbours to make her own environment safer.
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emsel
July 20, 2023 at 11:04 AM
Point! Women end up as victims not because they don't have confidence to report the crime, but because their complaints get brushed off as being minor in severity.
This is why I loved when Eun Mi took up things in her hand and chased the guy away.
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Linarrick
July 19, 2023 at 8:42 PM
Oh I definitely agree with your point, that we shouldn’t judge people’s clothing preferences regardless of gender. But I wouldn’t call it a minor crime, he managed to break into their house multiple times to steal panties. I’d actually feel more sympathetic if he stole money or something but what he did has skeevy. Imagine living in the same apartment building from someone who kinda stalks you and gets off wearing your underwear. I’d feel quite scared honestly. So I was glad he left, tho I didn’t like how he got judged for ‘buying’ women’s underwear rather than getting judged for the actual crime he committed.
I don’t think jail should be his punishment, but at least being educated and understanding that he should respect women’s boundaries would be nice
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captainlaika
July 19, 2023 at 10:43 PM
I felt similarly about the panty thief, I even wondered for a minute if Jin-hee wasn't going to get into trouble for more or less assaulting somebody over circumstantial evidence (like yes, he was wearing a thong but she had no evidence it was specifically her mother's). Not that villains or bad people can't ever make good points, but it got turned into a joke in a way that, exactly as you said, felt cheap
And while I do think there should have been some sort of restraining order arrangement between the thief and Eun-mi/Jin-hee, the way Eun-mi ran him out of the building was a little scary tbh
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pliplipli
July 20, 2023 at 9:19 AM
I was sure the drama would make the guy just be wearing similar clothes and the mom would be utterly embarrassed and making her daughter an embarrassment at work for causing a scene or something.
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
July 20, 2023 at 7:46 PM
Yes, I thought the show was going to flip the script and make Panty Guy a misunderstood victim of intolerance and false assumptions, and I started to feel bad for him for a moment when he railed against prejudice and asked what's wrong with wearing what he likes - so I got extra mad when it became clear he was a manipulative hypocrite, accusing his accusers because he thought it would help him get away with theft. Using an otherwise valid plea for openmindedness (not to mention minding one's own business) that way only makes things worse for all the cross-dressers who don't steal skivvies. The show mixed up its messages. But Park Sung-hoon's absolutely flat delivery when he was describing the "red thong with lace in the front, three little black bows vertically" was a gem.
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pliplipli
July 20, 2023 at 9:21 AM
I dont know if the drama will bring this later on, but I was also sure she would get her kid in trouble for using her computer to buy the panties. I was surprised when the guy just left the building and nothing happened about this. the drama took time to tell us she used but that's it? lol
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5 Asha13
July 19, 2023 at 8:25 PM
I wish I was cool enough to find the sexual stuff funny, but it just made me uncomfortable. Other than that, I loved it. I loved how the perv outed himself by being disgusted that it was the mother's panties.
The mother daughter dynamic is cute, hope they do it well, and it doesnt get old.
I am hoping there is no long running criminal menace, I am looking forward to enjoying this one
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6 captainlaika
July 19, 2023 at 10:32 PM
I was wondering why this had a mature rating on Viki— got my answer pretty quickly lmao
Honestly, a lot of the humor didn't land for me (the running wedgie joke just gave me second hand embarrassment) but I don't mind the raunchiness. The Absolutely Fabulous comparison isn't turning out to be too far afield there
I'll wait and see how some of the plot develops before I form an opinion but I love the actors here and I'm digging their characters enough I want to keep watching. I like how, despite their conflicts and differences in personality, they're still very clearly related. For one, Jin-hee's definitely got a similar impulsive/ reckless streak as Eun-mi
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Blue (@mayhemf)
July 20, 2023 at 3:02 AM
I see a few people say it got mature rating on Viki? I wonder if it it’s region based. In Viki US it is PG-13, like any other drama.
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captainlaika
July 20, 2023 at 10:49 AM
Huh, it does have a pg-13 rating for me now (which I think is actually probably more accurate). I may have had a vpn on earlier though
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Dylan [Suffering from Judge from Hell brainrot]
July 24, 2023 at 1:36 PM
I think it's 19+ in Korea, not sure about Viki overseas.
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7 MikeyD signed up
July 19, 2023 at 11:48 PM
Great cast. I mean a REALLY great cast. But, man, I wish they had been more selective picking scriptwriters. Yikes. Sooyoung is earning something of a reputation for doing dramas with great cast and mediocre scripts.
At least Jeon Hye-jin is giving it her all. Have I ever seen her in a comedy role? I suppose I have, a small part (her first role, I believe) as a schoolgirl in the 1999 film 'Lies', the most disturbingly transgressive mainstream movie I've ever seen. *Don't* look it up.
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8 minnie
July 19, 2023 at 11:51 PM
I really wanted to like this show, as I am a huge fan of the main leads.
Instead I dozed off mid-episode, because the show is plain boring.
It consists of two women constantly bickering with each other (and not in a funny way). There is not much to look at (they even managed to frumpify Park Sung-hoon). The main character Eun-mi is utterly unlikeable. She is not "immature", she is annoying other people to feel better about her own stupidity.
I am disappointed.
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9 Kurama
July 20, 2023 at 12:11 AM
I don't agree with the recap. Both the mother and the daughter have issue. First, a lot of arguments were more bickering than real issues.
The mother is clearly not perfect but I don't think she was acting passive-aggressive (sometimes manipulative) with her daughter. She did it with the pervert to protect her daughter from him. I can understand she didn't want to live in the same building with a man who came in their house to steal panties.
The whole issue with Jin-hee who made a report about the abuse is missing. Jin-hee seems to think she's always right and clearly she's not. Even when she apologized, she gave a lesson to her chief...
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Blue (@mayhemf)
July 20, 2023 at 3:06 AM
Yeah. I think they both have somewhat similar personalities with varying degrees. But the daughter probably is a bit more subdued seeing how her mom’s actions in the past have caused trouble for them. I can only guess. I don’t find her passive aggressive at all. I just find her petty.
I think the society expects mothers to be a certain way, especially in a country like Korea. So I find it very refreshing that being a decent mother (which she is) doesn’t have to mean acting and dressing like a mother defined by the society.
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Kurama
July 20, 2023 at 4:35 AM
I was surprised she had a good job in an orthopedic clinic. As as single mother so young in Korea society in the 90', it had to be very hard to raise a daughter and keep her character.
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Cay_sbtgoG
July 20, 2023 at 5:09 PM
I was, too. I thought she would be a jobless and drunken sort of mom. But she has a decent job and was respected by her patients, and a very tough woman at that. Yes, she comes on too strong in man area. I was second hand embarassed watching her. but that's that. So far, the show hasn't managed to deliver the premise.
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10 Nefret
July 20, 2023 at 1:16 AM
I'm among those who liked the second episode better than the first.
I wasn't particularly convinced by the beginning, especially during the fight between the two women and the child. Everything seemed a bit like the production didn't have much money to spend.
But I kept watching mainly because of the lead actors and at some point it clicked. I like the humour for the most part and I'm glad it's not just about the relationship between mother and daughter.
As a fan of the enemy to lovers trope, I'm looking forward to seeing how the relationship between Jin-hee and Jae-won develops.
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11 Blue (@mayhemf)
July 20, 2023 at 2:54 AM
The ladies are nailing it!! Love them both in this role.
Personally I enjoyed the humor. I laughed quite a bit. I can see why this isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. The scene in the police station when the pervert realizes he stole the moms panties thinking it was the daughters had me in splits. That whole sequence was nuts (no pun intended).
Both of them thinking they are the pushover was defining their relationship accurately. They both are strong opinionated women and both think they have been yielding all along. They do it out of love and somehow have fallen into this pattern. I wonder if the daughter ever dated or was in a relationship?
I am waiting for the other male lead to show up. I don’t think the show will go serious on the crime. There might be some but it’s not the serial killer types. Or I hope.
I don’t know what to make of the 3 old ladies. Given that they are from the neighborhood I assume they will play a part outside the doctors office?
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12 john
July 20, 2023 at 3:43 AM
Dramaddictally, thanks for the recap !
I can not believe I have only seen Sooyoung once before in Cyrano Agency and that was so long ago.
I’ll continue to watch . The topics are different but the writing is a bit uneven.
The panty thief is a thief first and a pervert second and technically a burglar.
The shopping 📦 campaign to drive him out was over done in K drama style😐
Mom was/is a bit wild .
The cops are a strange bunch. The other female cop seems to run the place.
The clinic where mom works kind of works, the way she responds to the customer was, again, a bit over done 🙄
The trio of halmeonis and the Dr should be funny
I like the leads, they deserve a good story, I hope for the best.
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MikeyD signed up
July 20, 2023 at 8:53 AM
Oh, 2013! This marks the 10th anniversary (almost to the day) of Cyrano and the 10th anniversary of me watching K-dramas (Cyrano was my very first K-drama).
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13 Kafiyah Bello
July 20, 2023 at 4:10 AM
I had a good time watching this drama. I love Jeon Hye Jin in this, she is so irreverent. She has good chemistry with Soo Young too. I don't mind the raunchiness, but the humor is up and down. I hope it gets better so I can have a great watch instead of just a good one.
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14 Seon-ha
July 20, 2023 at 9:16 AM
Thanks, @dramaddictally, for this more-than-cogent recap that includes a reference to the “distractingly pretty bob” on Sooyoung (I got my haircut yesterday and thought, “if only…”) but also to the hand-wavy plot-holey-ness of this drama, “(something to do with nepotism and the commissioner’s son).”
I was very ready to love this show, and can tell it will not happen. I may “like it OK,” in the end, but for now I will not be able to get over the fact that—while some of this was unavoidable—the entire, central schtick is that the humor rests on an assumed, fundamental discomfort with the fact that a woman nearing 50 can not only be sexual but enjoy sex, all the while having a daughter very much old enough to do the same. If this doesn’t make you uncomfortable, then there’s nothing all that funny.
Except when Park Sung-hook gets flung into a wall during a petty tussle and hits it with some brilliant physical comedic timing. That was funny.
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Linarrick
July 20, 2023 at 12:56 PM
Oh interesting, I didn’t view it that way? I was actually glad the show was explicit with female sexuality. I’m South Asian so it’s more the cultural shock to see a mother and daughter candidly talk about this stuff, and it was actually nice to see it represented in a kdrama.
Yes Eun-mi feeling like she can’t have sexual relations anymore due to her ‘age’ is sad, but I’ll give the show more time to flesh this storyline. This is also partly why I want a Noona romance, to refute the societal expectations and stereotypes.
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Seon-ha
July 20, 2023 at 1:22 PM
Absolutely @linarrick! Thanks for engaging with this. I’d like to think that I understand where you’re coming from, and for sure, so much of the reception of this drama is going to be very, very culturally differentiated. The plot is very much about sex, after all—well, it has been so far in these two episodes, well before all the petty crimes and/or serial killers show up! Not everyone will see what I see, and I sure as heck won’t see what others see.
So, I don’t want or need to beat this drum too loudly or for too long, but I guess I have two follow-up questions, not necessarily for you, but for any/all deities who are listening.
1. Why is it so funny that the daughter worries that her mother—born somewhere around the year 1975–can’t figure out how to get access to, or doesn’t somehow know about (?), vibrators?
2. And, why is it so funny that the criminal who invaded these women’s home to steal their underwear gets all freaked out when he learns he has on the panties of the mother and not of the daughter, his intended victim?
That Eun-mi doesn’t have a romantic or sexual partner is something I’d put to the side here, and suggest that it might have less to do with her own sexuality than the dictates of her societal role as a single mother who needs to raise a child, make money, and keep a house.
I guess this is the moment where I call on @dncingemma proactively. Shall we talk about the patriarchy? Or should we all take the time instead to imagine a better future where everyone works together to achieve all of our communal goals? ✅
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Linarrick
July 20, 2023 at 1:55 PM
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Linarrick
July 20, 2023 at 2:05 PM
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Seon-ha
July 20, 2023 at 2:07 PM
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DancingEmma
July 21, 2023 at 4:07 PM
I hadn’t seen your comment as my access to the site has been really glitchy in the last 36 hours.
I might have become a cliché but how can we not talk about patriarchy all of the time (even if I don’t for obvious reasons!)?
I very rarely say “both sides” but here I actually don’t find your viewpoints contradictory as I think it is a step forward to even present a woman with an adult daughter as a sexual being in KDs albeit frustrated at being consigned to self-pleasuring. The mother appears to be a flawed human being but she is a loving and steadfast person who accepted her parental responsibility at a young age and survived.
The drama wants it both ways: to both normalise what they regard as an aberrant female character and to mock her plight for cheap laughs but it isn’t as yet vicious or creeping towards sexism or misogyny. It might very well do that at some point.
Patriarchy has long and multitudinous tentacles after all.
Also, I delete comments occasionally, particularly upon self-reflection I feel that I came across inna way which I didn’t want.
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Seon-ha
July 21, 2023 at 5:21 PM
This is where I am as well. Thanks for taking the time to respond so thoughtfully. I’ll be sending my best wishes to the heavens for this show to focus on issues of empowerment and mutual aid!!
15 pliplipli
July 20, 2023 at 9:27 AM
I love these two ladies and I think they have a lot of chemistry and potential to give us a funny and heartwarming story. I like the humour in general, but I think the pervert "storyline" went a bit too long. or at least it was not as consequential as I thought it would be so it didn't justify the screentime in my mind.
I don't like grumpy male characters in general so I'm not into jaewon at all for now, but I'm curious to see what happened in the police academy bcs his judgement or jinhee comes from way before the abused girl case. the police as a whole is annoying. but that's usual for Korean dramas lol
tldr: liked these two episodes, but feel like it dragged a little bit and that made me worried about the future lol
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16 Becky
July 20, 2023 at 9:29 AM
I liked it a lot. The characters, story, and humor worked for me. It's the first kdrama in a while that I will look forward to. Most of the current rom coms seem to be written for 15 year old girls, so they haven't held my interest
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17 Cay_sbtgoG
July 20, 2023 at 9:54 AM
The first two episodes were ok. I laughed at some parts, while at some points the jokes fell flat. But the jury is still out. Hope to see the story between mother and daughter progress for the better.
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18 emsel
July 20, 2023 at 11:27 AM
Thanks for the recap.
I instantly fell for the mom-daughter relationship and I don't think they both are toxic to each other and need to grow up because if you live under the same roof that's how you act (most asian mom/daughter bicker the same way and care for each other, well, except for the sex part).
Jeon Hye Jin was excellent in "Uncle" kdrama as a caring and independent mom who struggled with alcohol abuse, but here she is not only strong, but also open-minded and quirky. Soo Young is as usual good and I am not looking forward to her romance with Park Sung Hoon because I haven't warmed up to his character. I do not get any discreet emotions apart from the grumpy attitude he has around Jin Hee.
This shows feels a lot similar to "Link: Eat, Love and Kill" when it comes to crimes against women and children. There was a dark humour that was lighting up the serious tone in that drama, but I do not know if the same can be expected here because at times the humour doesn't work. On the whole, I'm continuing the ride with this one.
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19 MikeyD signed up
July 20, 2023 at 4:11 PM
In my experience 9 out of 10 dramas that start out 'edgy' will devolve into standard issue K-dramas by the halfway point. Its a disappointment of you like 'edgy', its a relief if 'edgy' gets on your nerves.
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20 ar_arguably romantic
July 20, 2023 at 5:40 PM
I had a great time with these two episodes. The humor doesn't always land for me, but I find the chaotic energy of the mother-daughter duo really makes this drama funny. I like how the drama almost comes off like reading a comic strip of random things that happen to this mother-daughter duo. I don't think the mom's past was depicted in a heartbreaking manner. The mom was in a gang of bullies and she had sex that one time with a guy she found attractive and got pregnant. She wasn't betrayed by a bf. Though, I wonder if they will add some heartbreaking moments later on since it must have been thought to be a single, pregnant teen.
Reunion of The Glory cast with Park Sung Hoon and Ahn So yo (cop here and the clothing shop assistant/former-bullying-victim in The Glory)!
That wedgie -- I could relate and commiserate. I had a terrible wedgie today wearing a pair of boyshorts underwear. Guess it was too loose around the thigh opening.
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