The Real Has Come: Episodes 17-33 (Drama Hangout)
by DB Staff
We’re trying something new and giving you a Drama Hangout if you’re a fan of epicly long KBS weekenders! Here is your space to chat as you watch The Real Has Come, with Baek Jin-hee and Ahn Jae-hyun in a contract marriage… with a baby.
Beware of spoilers! This thread is for discussing the entire series.
*Here’s the Hangout link for Episodes 1-16
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1 Dorotka
May 14, 2023 at 7:23 AM
🥳 💃
Thank you!!
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2 OldLawyer
May 14, 2023 at 9:26 AM
Thank you for this.
I will start using this next week starting with episode 16.
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OldLawyer
May 14, 2023 at 9:50 AM
Let me amend that- episode sixteen is available to me tonight, so I guess I will start using it now.
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Dorotka
May 14, 2023 at 10:08 AM
Episode 16 should be still discussed in the older hangout. This hangout is from episode 17. 😉🙂
At least that's how I understand it.
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OldLawyer
May 14, 2023 at 10:10 AM
You are correct, so next week it will be.
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OldLawyer
May 14, 2023 at 10:14 AM
I further note that there is an easy-to-use hangout link posted above to use to get to the first drama hangout for episodes 1 through 16.
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Dorotka
May 14, 2023 at 10:26 AM
When you click on The Real Has Come in the Currently Airing section, you get to see it as well. 🙂
3 PYC
May 14, 2023 at 9:34 AM
Wow, we are having additional space. Thanks, @dorotka and @db-staff!
Now, could anyone shred light on what’s the relationship between YD’s uncle and TK’s sister in law?
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OldLawyer
May 14, 2023 at 10:09 AM
I obviously missed something here.
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dramadillo
May 15, 2023 at 9:25 AM
If I haven’t misunderstood, in episode 16, after eldest Gong son, his wife, and Dae Sang (Yeon Doo’s uncle) leave the shaman, the shaman tells her assistant that the child will have two fathers, the two men in the room.😳 I’m not sure what to make of that, but the commenters on MyDramaList have come up with a couple of ideas, one of which is that Dae Sang becomes a sperm donor for them. If that is the case, kudos to the show for really exploring every possible way to increase the national birth rate.
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PYC
May 15, 2023 at 9:38 AM
Well, well! This is a first for weekenders if going down that path and there was another school of thought last week at MDL that this couple will adopt - but sperm donation is likely because it’s presented as the husband’s problem.
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dramadillo
May 15, 2023 at 9:56 AM
Honestly, I was hoping they would adopt! It is a sorely under-explored option in kdramas.
Let some other drama be the first example of assisted reproduction via sperm and/or egg donation - they could also explore surrogacy! It would be great!😊
But if the shaman is right about those two men being the ‘two fathers’, sperm donation is preferable to infidelity, so I’ll take it.
Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 15, 2023 at 11:08 AM
They seem to show adoption in two ways in dramas informally a child is left with a relative/friend: Chicago typewriter female lead lived with Sharman, Mother of mine one of the daughters was left with a relative and formal adoption female lead in Healer. They also show Korean babies abroad in search WWW, Holo love and Her private life the male leads were raised outside of Korea.
dramadillo
May 15, 2023 at 12:02 PM
@reply1988, excellent run-down of what has been portrayed.🙏 I’d love to see a couple go through the adoption process of a child that they don’t have any previous connection to. It just strikes me as a storyline that hasn’t been explored. In the film Broker, you see couples (briefly) trying to ‘buy’ the babies left in the baby drop, but the film is really about the other side of the experience (a mother who finds herself unable to keep her baby, and the brokers). We see orphanages, but we don’t really see adoptions from orphanages.
Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
May 15, 2023 at 12:07 PM
@reply1988 @mellowarmadillo You Are My Spring also had overseas adoption as a plot driver - complete with a child-trafficking cult. 🙄 I suspect few dramas deal with domestic adoption both because Korea has relatively low rates of formal adoption through legal channels and because presenting it as a common source of that all-important childhood trauma would send a troublesome message (as if the existence of an entire orphanage trope doesn't!), whereas foreign adoption is a safer punching bag. If this show is promoting population increase in Korea, I guess it has to prioritize “make more babies!” over “make a family with existing babies!”
dramadillo
May 15, 2023 at 11:38 PM
@reply1988 @elinor - one show that included a lovely and successful US adoption story in the vague background is She Was Pretty. I can’t say more in case of spoilers, but we even got to see a Skype call with the American parents, and the character didn’t have a childhood trauma storyline!🥳
It’s true that adoption doesn’t fit the ‘make more babies’ message, alas, so it makes (sad) sense that this show is not exploring it.
It’s just such a shame that the focus is on headcount rather than quality of life for babies and families - this spans issues like adoption, affordable childcare, and having robust structures in place to support parental leave and return to work, etc. I don’t think birth rates are down only because we’ve somehow forgotten the value of family - they’re down also because it’s hard, expensive, tiring, etc. to have a family. But I guess those issues aren’t going to change with a few kdrama storyliens.😅
Dorotka
May 16, 2023 at 4:51 AM
There was a very specific case of sperm-donation in the weekender Marry Me Now. 😄
ar_arguably romantic
May 23, 2023 at 3:04 PM
I also suspect sperm donation. I think that couple dreams of a successful pregnancy after so many miscarriages. I feel like the brother's talking-to to TK and brother-in-law will get referenced later on when sister in law gets pregnant: will he be the saint who lovingly carries his wife around during the pregnancy or will he be like the others and complain about having to deal with the discomforts of sleeping on the floor and picking up cake.
Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 15, 2023 at 12:05 PM
Its true it would be good to see the assessment, other family members/friends points of view and the challenges and joys for the new parents.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 15, 2023 at 12:24 PM
@elinor @mellowarmadillo I agree that adoption is a complex matter and depending on the angle taken could have serious implications for the drama makers due to the political elements.
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Dorotka
May 16, 2023 at 4:48 AM
I have no idea where they are heading too with this!!
Also, can't say I'm excited about Uncle being a playboy and having a kid somewhere 😐
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4 SOORI
May 15, 2023 at 5:43 AM
I just wanna say that this is the most stupid and frustrating drama I tried to watch in a long while. It also really tells me that weekend dramas are reeeally not for me, although I did enjoy some other weekend dramas before but this drama just doesn't make sense.
Anyway, sorry I'm just relieving some pent up frustration here.
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snancy
May 15, 2023 at 6:48 AM
@SOORI, I don't know why I'm still here, except maybe FF, and the hangout. I keep threatening to drop, and yet...
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dramadillo
May 15, 2023 at 9:15 AM
Relieve away!! I am, for reasons unknown to myself, hooked on this show, so I have developed a number of coping strategies. As I type this out, I’m realising how bonkers it is to go to these lengths to watch a show, but frankly, it mystifies me too.😅
So, I have found that reading the raw reactions (and spoilers) in the MyDramaList comments section for this show before I watch each new episode has helped a lot. For some reason, reading other people’s (out)rage and annoyance, and knowing in advance how many scenes with annoying characters I’ll have to tolerate has made a big difference. Now I’m enjoying the experience!😁
I also skip the scenes with the characters I dislike, or put those scene on mute if I do watch it. Makes it much more bearable. If I think I may have missed something, I go and read @owl22’s recap!😊
Plus, this hangout is fun, and I love the reflections and theories beanies share, so I’m determined to stick around.😁
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snancy
May 15, 2023 at 9:37 AM
Helpful additions I will add to my coping methods, @dramadillo!
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 15, 2023 at 9:53 AM
Do you think there should be a guest post by @oldawyer on tips and tricks on how to stay for the long haul with weekenders and dailies? There is a definite art to it and his guidance on the structure acts a bit like a pacemaker in helping to manage expectations so we don’t ‘hit the wall’ just before we get to the home stretch. It would save him having to add encouraging comments whenever there’s a cry for help in the What we are watching post from some newbie trying weekender for the first time😆
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dramadillo
May 15, 2023 at 9:58 AM
This is an excellent suggestion!! I would like to second your nomination! @oldawyer - over to you!!😊
PYC
May 15, 2023 at 7:05 PM
This is a fun thread and I certainly second the suggestion of inviting @oldawyer to share his and his wife’s coping strategy!
I have NEVER completed any weekenders without fast forwarding, especially scenes of hateful characters. But there are lots to enjoy like family dynamics, generational relationships and generally heartwarming elements that you don’t necessarily get from the standard 16-eps. Good family weekenders actually remain in your memory for a long long time because you spend a longer period in knowing them. I’d say the gains outweigh the bads but probably 1/4 or 1/5 is worth the efforts. Like @mellowarmadillo, spoilers help so you watch the good bits but ignore the terrible scenes or characters. So a thread like this with generous contributions from the more hardworking viewers are gold.
All in all, I would say The Real Has Come is worth the efforts but I do wish the romance of the OTP and the maknae couple can come faster to sustain my interest.
OldLawyer
May 15, 2023 at 7:11 PM
I have done some of that before, but I think that it is a really good idea. Give a few days to put something together. Certainly not something I am up to tonight as I am exhausted from a long drive to court and back- and had to get up early for it to begin with. But I will give this some serious thought and see what I can come up with in a couple of days. But judicious use of fast forward is certainly a useful tool.
OldLawyer
May 15, 2023 at 7:13 PM
Omo! I just read my own post and... It was a total word salad. My apologies.
Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 15, 2023 at 7:46 PM
@oldawyer no worries re the ramblings of a tired man, we totally understand. We are so grateful that you are willingly stepping up to provide such an important service for the beanie community. It’s gonna take time as first and foremost a guest post on tips on how to survive a weekender/daily will need to be approved by @missvictrix and only if this occurs can it then be fitted into the busy post schedule.
PYC
May 15, 2023 at 9:01 PM
Thanks @oldawyer!! No need to rush and we are happy to wait.
dramadillo
May 15, 2023 at 11:39 PM
Looking forward to it, @oldawyer! And as everyone has already said, no rush!😊
OldLawyer
May 18, 2023 at 1:13 PM
I sent it off yesterday but there are no guarantees that it will be posted, of course. Even if it is, I would hope that other people would be willing to chime in with their own suggestions and observations because the more insights that we can provide for viewers or potential viewers, the better. We have a lot of Beanies who are both very smart, discerning and probably even more knowledgeable than I am.
Maybe we could suggest a special Drama chat asking Beanies for their personal list of their 5 or10 best Dailies and Weekenders of All Time- a parallel Chat to the recently added 10 Best Chat.
Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 18, 2023 at 11:10 PM
@oldawyer thank you so much for submitting the post. We will totally understand if Miss Victrix does not feel that it is inline with the posts they have due for release over the next few months. An official post would help beanies now and in the future to navigate the murky waters of makjang.
Let’s hope you get a response soon so if it’s not successful we can work on how to get this valuable community service out there before the next weekender begins.
Our options would be fan wall or open thread. If it’s on your fan wall we would need to flag it on the open thread but it would be harder to find in the future. Putting it as a comment on the Open thread post may be the next best thing.
dramadillo
May 19, 2023 at 9:40 AM
@oldawyer, thanks so much for taking the time to grant our wish! I look forward to reading it, and as @reply1988 has said, if it doesn’t make into the packed db publishing schedule, Open Thread and your own Fan Wall would be a great place for it. We’ll just need to keep the permanent link for the post handy, so we can refer newbies to it whenever they’re struggling with a weekender or daily!
OldLawyer
May 19, 2023 at 5:11 PM
I will give DB at least a few more days to make a decision but I am thinking that posting to my fan wall might be the best option as even a posted article gets buried over time- while my fan wall is completely bare and so would remain accessible.
Our current weekender has been difficult for many people even though it is extremely topical and timely. With so many people talking about the too low birthrate as if it was easily solved our writer has, quite correctly, responded by confronting Korean Society with the very real difficulties that people are facing when it comes to having children:
-The problem of barren couples who cannot have children in a Confucian culture that discourages and stigmatizes adoption because it "does not continue the bloodline" (As if people were racehorses..). This means that an unfortunate mother-to-be who cannot keep a baby has no assurance that her baby will go to a family that can care for the child- leading her to a near automatic choice for the alternative.
-The discrimination against single parenthood- which we can see takes different forms with both SD and with her younger brother, the young single father.
-Our motherless Oh Soo-gyeom also serves to remind us that not all women want to be mothers. A fact also illustrated by our ML's younger sister Yoo-myung who was so opposed to the idea that she broke things off with her beloved Jay rather than accept that role under the most advantageous terms that her country and society could possibly offer to her. But either women are free to make that choice or there is no meaning to the term freedom.
-Even the married woman who is pregnant experiences difficulties with work- a fact that is starting to apply to TK's now pregnant older sister.
For all the makjang elements in the stories being told there is a very serious and valuable set of questions being raised that need to be resolved not only in the ROK but in all developed countries. To my mind this makes this particular weekender not necessarily better dramatical than some others but perhaps more valuable in a societal sense.
Dorotka
May 20, 2023 at 7:28 AM
Looking forward to your Guide to Weekenders @oldawyer !
And if it doesn't get published on the main page (will they inform you about that?) then maybe you can also publish it here in this hangout? 🙂
dramadillo
May 21, 2023 at 1:40 AM
@oldawyer This is an excellent summary of some of the very real😉 issues contributing to a low birth rate. I’m rather impressed that the writer has managed to fit so many of them in one show, and the backdrop of a socioeconomically ‘normal’ family alongside a chaebol family means that these issues can be explored of in both contexts.
Asha13
May 18, 2023 at 8:30 AM
Same
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Blue (@mayhemf)
May 18, 2023 at 9:15 PM
I am FF watching too and mostly background drama while I am doing something else. I am staying to see some OTP scenes. Hope their romance is worth all this.
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Dorotka
May 16, 2023 at 5:03 AM
This definitely is not the best weekender ever and I think one has to have the right mood and the right viewing lenses to survive this long run. 🙂
I myself am not sure how long I will run along. 😉
What so far keeps me in is mainly:
-Yeondoo and Taekyung
-Taekyung and Soogyeom ❤️
-the humor of the writer/PD
-the unexpected twists
-this hangout 🙂💕
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OldLawyer
May 21, 2023 at 11:19 AM
And now we about to add to this Soogyeum and Yoo-myung.
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Dorotka
May 21, 2023 at 11:39 AM
🙂
And they seem to be similarly outgoing.
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dramadillo
May 24, 2023 at 3:13 AM
Hahah, that’s very true! I think we’re in for some fun and laughs with them!😁
Decraew
May 24, 2023 at 1:27 AM
Have you seen many ? This one is the paragon of writing compared to some of the others 😁. If you want to know how bad the writing can be you should check out Young Lady and Gentleman.
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OldLawyer
May 24, 2023 at 6:17 AM
You are right about the awful writing in YOUNG LADY AND GENTLEMAN. But in terms of ratings that one was very successful even though it was a mess plotwise.
This weekender is much better written but a tougher watch emotionally.
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Decraew
May 26, 2023 at 1:51 AM
Why is it tougher on you emotionally. It is the exact reverse for me, I couldn’t stand the abusive personallitied in YL&G (Dan’s father & Sara’s mother). All in all this drama has nicer people.
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Decraew
May 26, 2023 at 2:25 AM
Why is it tougher on you emotionally? It is the exact reverse for me, I couldn’t stand the abusive personallities in YL&G (Dan’s father & Sara’s mother). All in all this drama has nicer people.
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5 Asha13
May 18, 2023 at 8:37 AM
I like the leads but not the characters. It is infuriating how the SFL is able to go anywhere she wants and spy on anything. When the next episodes drop, I will need to decide if i want to continue watching this.
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LaurenSophie
May 19, 2023 at 9:15 AM
This is me. The leads are great, and I care about their story, but so many of the supporting characters are empty shells, or played by one-note actors, or both. I end up fast forwarding a lot, which is a shame.
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Decraew
May 26, 2023 at 2:31 AM
Same here, SFL is allowed to do whatever she wants. I’m not dropping it though, if necessary I’ll fast-forward her scene’s 🤷🏻♂️
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6 owl 🦉 🫰
May 18, 2023 at 8:18 PM
The Story of Art by Gombrich~
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7 KS stuck on 🥰 Aegiya KHAAJA🥰
May 21, 2023 at 4:30 AM
This show is something i dont want to watch cause weekender but then i hunt for new epispde every sunday reason cause i like chemistry between the male leads and then i love YDs lil family... like how everyone loves each other so much... her maternal uncle, her brother, her mother and niece... i just adore their family bonding and may be thats the second best reason i am loving this show.
Though it certainly can improve with its makjangness by sending that se jin ah to US branch.
oh yes now am so excited to see Halmouni in old School and how she will handle those ladies and make a tribe out of them... so looking forward
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Dorotka
May 21, 2023 at 6:48 AM
Halmoni as a transfer student... 😁
I can't wait either!
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OldLawyer
May 21, 2023 at 11:10 AM
I love it.
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8 Dorotka
May 21, 2023 at 6:02 AM
You were right @oldawyer !
I really thought they would wriggle out of the situation by saying that TK is not behaving like a real father (or something like that), but here we go, the first person knows (a bit of) the truth.
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9 Dorotka
May 21, 2023 at 6:54 AM
Among all that weekender silliness we got again some social commentary about fathers having difficulties to accept not-blood-related children...
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OldLawyer
May 22, 2023 at 8:13 AM
I would note that the person with the biggest difficulty accepting not blood related children is actually TK's Grandmother, while we have seen our Chairman asking TK to call him 'father' rather than 'chairman'.
The non-acceptance of not-blood related but adopted children is not a gender-based problem but is a real aspect of Korean culture rooted in the strictures of Neo-Confucianism which stressed the importance of the family bloodline. As such women are indeed every bit as likely to share that bias as men are- this is truly a cultural problem, and it is hurting South Korea as a whole.
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ar_arguably romantic
May 23, 2023 at 3:13 PM
I feel like we may end up in one of those hypocritical situations where the parents would accept it if it happened to them, but their gut reaction would be to want their own kids to raise biological children. But they'll come around.
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10 dramadillo
May 21, 2023 at 9:58 AM
Episode 17 thoughts & spoilers
This was a lovely episode, and what I found rather sweet is Yeon Doo’s Uncle, Dae Sang’s devotion and commitment to his family. I loved how he responded to finding out that TG isn’t Real’s bio dad - he admired and loved him all the more. And when he worried that TG would leave YD and Real, he offered to raise Real as his own child if that would help their relationship. He’s not the most practically-minded character, but he’s always offering to help in whatever way he can. His role here really reminds me of his character in Be My Dream Family.
The other turn of events I’m relishing is every time we see Yeon Doo’s mum, Bong Nim, turn grumpy cat halmeoni into a compliant kitten.🤣 Will this grow old over time? Maybe, but I am enjoying it so much right now!! And it will be wonderful to see halmeoni grow as a person. Learning to read and not living in fear of her secret coming out will hopefully mean that she won’t feel the need to control the people around her as much.
I found Principal Jang Ho’s ultimatum quite intriguing - he seems to think that what Se Jin wants/wanted was for him to give up the unprofitable school, and earn more money. He doesn’t seem to grasp the extent of what SJ is trying to claw back for herself, and how much she blames him for her circumstances. I’m keen to find out exactly what happened with their family’s finances back when she was in high school.
The plot thickens with TG’s older sister, Ji Myeong and her colleague/hoobae Sang Hoon. What exactly happened between them? I found the scene in his car the best acting from both of them so far - up until now it’s been played for laughs a bit, but things just got interesting.
I really enjoyed seeing TG as a teenager. It seems he was taciturn but also very aware of other’s feelings and considerate from that age. It’s awful to think how long he’s been bullied and treated poorly by his siblings. It made the fact that Uncle Dae Sang and YD both see the best in him that much more gratifying. It’s like he’s finally getting the attention and acknowledgment that he hasn’t received for most of his life.😢
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Dorotka
May 21, 2023 at 10:52 AM
I think the colleague probably brought her to the hospital when she was having a miscarriage and knows the truth about what really happened that time.
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dramadillo
May 21, 2023 at 11:08 AM
Ooh! That would make a lot of sense! It’ll be good to get all the secrets out - they have not been doing any of these relationships any good.
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Dorotka
May 21, 2023 at 10:54 AM
Btw, Taekyung is so kind and cute... I can't believe he was a womaniser.
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dramadillo
May 21, 2023 at 11:13 AM
I was thinking about this too. Given how skittish he’s become around Yeon Doo, you’d think he’d never touched a woman in his life! But I suspect he wasn’t actually a womaniser at all. He never even cheated - he just always asked for a relationship where he can enjoy certain aspects of being together without the involvement of feelings. He probably treated these partners well, which would explain why they fall for him and ultimately wanted more.
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OldLawyer
May 21, 2023 at 11:52 AM
I think that you have the right of it. On the one hand he has been womanizer in the very narrow sense that he would move on from one woman to the next- to their disappointment as each could see his potential. But he never two-timed or mistreated them and was undoubtedly always considerate- until the moment that he decided to breakup because he never wanted more than a light dating relationship and, as you said, they did want more. His difficult relationship with his family, including the bullying, and his trauma at the hands of Se-jin, are what caused him to fall into this bad habit, although contributing to it would have been his very long period of training to become a top specialist even with the OB-GYN ranks- itself rooted in his need to make himself independent of his family, a goal he has actually achieved.
But what the writer has actually set up for us a dramatic situation where his emotional defenses are no longer needed: He cannot no longer be hurt by his family, so he does not need to continue with this behavior, and it now hurts him instead. As SD told him at the end of episode 17, he can now find someone nice who will love him. It has not yet dawned on her that she just described herself.
All of this is pointing us towards that wonderful moment when they realize that they are really deserving of the very best- and that the very best is each other.
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11 OldLawyer
May 21, 2023 at 1:06 PM
At the end of episode 17 we see our couple finally sleeping in the same bed, with SD snuggled right into TK, whose heart is pounding. She has just told him that he should find some someone nice who will love him, and our obvious response is: How about you? Which is subconsciously what TK is feeling.
The writer has surprised us many times but to me the biggest was the reaction of SD's uncle who was not shocked or outraged at TK but rather decided that TK was a fantastic guy. I really did not see that one coming.
Do we get another love line with Uncle and the new part-timer, his former GF? Is her child his? Uncle is the cook at the new family steamed chicken place- he obviously has some actual skills which makes the new family business make sense. He is also a great family man who has been a big help in raising his grandniece. His nephew is able to devote some time to study and to job seeking in part because of this- but nephew is not lazy either and is helping with that business as well. Part of the reason I can visualize the future success of our very entrepreneurial Oh Soo-gyeom is because she has been raised with such good examples of good people working hard- but who have also loved her a great deal, giving her both the right attitudes and the abundant skills and confidence need to create a business empire. Other children of her age may begin with significant economic advantages but in the end how can they compete against someone who has never depended upon such crutches?
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Dorotka
May 21, 2023 at 1:36 PM
I don't think her child is his, but he may be the first man who doesn't run away, accepts the child as his... and so joins Chairman and Taekyung in the club.
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OldLawyer
May 21, 2023 at 1:59 PM
You may be right- I just keep remembering that moment when an old lady told him to be good to his child. But with this writer's way of surprising us alternatives are certainly possible, and yours is a good one.
We also have the best explanation yet advanced for the infallible shaman's description of both men being the father of a child with a reason for getting to that point:
Uncle clearly now feels beholden to TK, who is literally a fertility expert. Someone noted the possibility that the best explanation for that comment is that Uncle could become a sperm donor for our childless couple. What if TK calls upon him to volunteer to do that? He owes him a solid and that would certainly fit the bill.
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Dorotka
May 21, 2023 at 2:23 PM
It's more my wishful thinking, because I didn't like when they presented Uncle as a playboy (it just doesn't fit his character)... and so I'm ignoring it 😁🙃
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OldLawyer
May 21, 2023 at 2:36 PM
I do not think that it was wishful thinking at all but rather a very good insight- we all realized that 'playboy' just did not fit with what we were shown of Uncle's character- that is why it so surprised us. What you came up with was simply a better fit with Uncle's character.
Decraew
May 26, 2023 at 2:37 AM
They finally slept in the same bed indeed. I totally don’t get the extreme prudishness they displayed (and indeed in other drama’s as well). Is the concept of sleeping in the same bed without actually having sex that alien to Korean writers? Personally I’d simply refuse to sleep on an uncomfortable couch or the floor. Also, given they’re acting in front of the families you know it’s a bad idea to sleep separarely.
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too_much_tv
May 30, 2023 at 7:29 AM
I think they were prudish about sleeping in the same bed because they like each other. He especially is aware of how much more he likes her than other people.
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Sifimoyo
June 28, 2023 at 1:40 PM
Sleeping in the same bed without any intimacy seems to be a fairly standard thing. No wonder Korea has the lowest birth-rate in the world.
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OldLawyer
June 28, 2023 at 1:49 PM
Good point- and there may be some truth to it but I suspect that if there is that it simply the extraordinary number of hours that Koreans put into their jobs- leaving them too tired for sex.
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12 Dorotka
May 21, 2023 at 2:37 PM
I think I will need some time to adjust to the new actor playing Chairman, it's so jarring... and so strange when everyone was welcoming him after that business trip and he looked soooo different 😅
Not even a suggestion of some plastic surgery or so 😆😆
Getting the assholish Real Real's Father back into the picture was smoother. 😁
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ar_arguably romantic
May 23, 2023 at 3:37 PM
It was definitely jarring. In order to integrate the new actor, we had the characters greeting him as if it was the first episode of a drama when you didn't know who was who and as if he had been away for months.
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13 OldLawyer
May 21, 2023 at 9:25 PM
Episode 18 could be described as the Epic Misunderstanding Episode. Or maybe not? The actor substitution for our Chairman was truly jarring- whatever personal reasons our original Chairman may have had obvously blew up suddenly because the result was about as dramatically awkward as one can get.
In any case the side story of Yoo-myung and Soo-gyeom (and her dad) is just about to get started.
Our 2ML is just about to return. Just in time to be briefed by Se-jin who may have figured things out thanks to snooping in SD’s phone.
We ended with TK asking SD why she is in such a hurry to leave.
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14 DancingEmma
May 22, 2023 at 2:32 AM
Is it common in weekenders to replace actors as the stepfather is now played by a new person!
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OldLawyer
May 22, 2023 at 8:05 AM
No, it is not. I would also note that the Chairman is not a stepfather but rather TK's adoptive father.
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15 owl 🦉 🫰
May 22, 2023 at 7:07 AM
Doing a little recapping for the fun of it ~
https://cimiart.wordpress.com/2023/05/21/the-real-has-come-ep-17/
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16 Ally
May 22, 2023 at 8:20 AM
So it’s not just me, finally catching up on episode 17 and noticed immediately they switched out the CEO dad. The other guy was so much more affable.
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Asha13
May 23, 2023 at 11:39 AM
Yeah I liked him a lot.
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beffels
May 25, 2023 at 9:26 PM
I miss him 🙁
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17 pohonphee
May 22, 2023 at 9:33 AM
What did happen to Abboji? Got plastic surgery in US ? 😅
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OldLawyer
May 22, 2023 at 12:07 PM
The sudden change in our Chairman was caused by a sudden and unexpected departure of the original actor due to "Personal Reasons". This happened too quickly for the writer to actually "fix" the script to explain the difference- instead we got the original actor leaving on a business trip and the new one arriving back from that trip. The actress who plays his wife, Cha Hwa-yeon, who is nothing if not professional, was visibly distraught at the substitution during the 'welcome home' scene. Whatever the "personal reason" was it had better be really good to justify what would otherwise be extremely unprofessional conduct by our original actor. I can only hope that his replacement does a really fantastic job in the role. This episode was obviously as awkward for the writer, the cast, and director as it was for the audience.
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18 Ally
May 22, 2023 at 10:12 AM
The reason I watch this (and ani other kdrama) is for the heart-tingly moments. One example is when TY was in his office changing YD’s name to “wife;” when the characters of the words appeared, my heart literally palpitated. And then evil lady who I don’t even know what to call barges in and he deleted it! But yeah, those moments, even more than sharing a bed
for the first time and her rolling towards him, is what makes me keep watching. So adorable.
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OldLawyer
May 22, 2023 at 12:12 PM
It was not only adorable but a dramatically significant moment as we can see that subconsciously he is shifting to wanting to have a temporary arrangement to wanting more. This was then further underscored by the fact that his heart was racing when she snuggled into him. from this place it is only a very short step for a subconscious desire to become a conscious decision.
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19 unnie rhen
May 22, 2023 at 9:39 PM
Im always waiting for the next coming episode. waiting is longer than watching hahaha I hope they don't only post 2 episodes every Saturday and Sunday hahaha it's addictive
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OldLawyer
May 23, 2023 at 10:42 AM
It is with the deepest sympathy and regret that I have to tell you that weekenders get their name from the fact that they are two episodes per weekend- for almost half a year.
Most of us would indeed love it if this were not so.
I too am anxiously looking forward to the next episode - which is still four days away. As you said- it is addictive.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 23, 2023 at 12:09 PM
Welcome to the party. The beanie comments section for the weekenders is the best place to share the stress of the long wait and when the weekend comes you will have lots of company to share the fun of dissecting the plot.
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20 Jackem
May 23, 2023 at 11:41 AM
First time getting to post about this show-- but can't be happier about it. Have desperately needed to talk about this fun yet frustrating experience lol.
For one, TK is just fantastic, and while I had issues with a lot of the TD's decisions, I'm glad in more recent episodes she hasn't been as childish in a lot of ways.
But here's the thing... Se-Jin...
I know she's the villain, but she does it too well. It drives me insane when an opportunistic liar like her, gets away with murder, and she uses that pitiable act to get what she wants. I had to skip through almost an entire episode once because it was too much for me at one point and I almost dropped it because of her. She was in it way too much, and having her way.
Also... with the amount of effort she puts in for this ONE guy?! I feel like she could've won over a whole other chaebol. Thoughts anyone?
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 23, 2023 at 12:06 PM
Welcome to the beanie comments section and you are in the right place to discuss the joys and frustrations that weekenders are guaranteed to bring. The regulars will be in to answer soon I am just part of the welcome committee taking your coat and handing out the refreshments at the door as you head into the room😊
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Jackem
May 23, 2023 at 7:50 PM
Thank you for the welcome!
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ar_arguably romantic
May 23, 2023 at 3:50 PM
LOL! You're so right. It drives me nuts how much effort she is putting into this.
I think she mentioned that once upon a time she was able to call Taekyung's family on more familiar terms, like "uncle" "grandma" etc. Once her family became poor and she and her family owed their livelihood to TK's family, she switched to calling them on more formal terms. I think she wants the relationship they had when she was rich. And that's why she's so obsessed.
It bugs me that she's really not in such a terrible situation. She's head secretary to a chairman. Ditch her gambler mom, and she could be living in a nice place, drive a nice car etc. She could rope in an even richer guy. Maybe find that Jay guy that the maknae sister rejected and marry him and live with his wacky family in their ginormous mansion.
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OldLawyer
May 23, 2023 at 4:20 PM
I have made this observation before but I will say it again: Se-jin is a great villain.
We are supposed to hate Se-jin on a visceral level. Se-jin is not a superficial villain but a true villain with serious literary antecedents. She may indeed have a genuine alternative in the second male lead (who is about to re-appear): We should not forget that when her newly dumped boyfriend was trying to break into her wedding it had nothing to do with SD- He was coming to grab Se-jin.
Your question asking why TK? is actually at the heart of the matter.
It is because her family, the Jangs, once had the sort of wealth that his family, the Gongs have now. The Gongs used to borrow from the Jangs- these families are inextricably tied together in her mind, in no little part because she has literally been working directly with the Gongs as a major functionary. She is desperate to join that family, even though she has never loved TK. It is not just a desire to once again be affluent but rather because TK is a Gong, even if just by adoption. To top it all off remember that Grandma gave TK to her, so he is supposed to be her property. What we are seeing is not love and caring but rather a true obsession. Obsession can turn a person into a monster just as Captain Ahab became a monster in Herman Melville’s great novel MOBY DICK. When you look at Se-jin what you should see is a female version of Captain Ahab. This is part of what makes her such a great villain- her motivation is a true obsession. But part of what has driven her to madness is the fact that she has constantly had to pay for her mother’s follies- and her mother has likewise been obsessed, so Se-jin has that model of behavior in front of her.
Logically Kim Joon-ha, our second male lead seems to be a better alternative to TK. We may find out something different later but for now that appears to be the case. But Kim Joon-ha is not Gong Joonha, and TK's family name is Gong. Once you realize that this makes TK The Great White Whale it all makes sense.
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Jackem
May 23, 2023 at 7:58 PM
I don't know that she sees TK as an 'object' (unless that was included in one of the scenes with her I skipped), but I definitely agree it's an obsession. Grandma gave her a scent of a win, and she is hounding it like my cats when they smell eggs cooking. Only she isn't as adorable and fluffy as they are.
I think I missed or forgot when she said that she used to call them uncle etc, but had to change to more formalities when they lost their wealth.
On a whole other note, anyone else sense/ wonder if they are trying to set up YD's mom with the principal (Se-Jin's dad), I feel like that at the end of him revealing her nastiness, would be wonderful.
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ar_arguably romantic
May 24, 2023 at 4:51 PM
I was shipping YD's mom with SJ's dad at one point. Then unshipped them since the SJ's dad is pretty useless. Then I'm sort of shipping them again. They have quite a suspicious number of scenes together and she's got that bright vibe to his more quiet, taciturn vibe.
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OldLawyer
May 24, 2023 at 6:01 PM
And now SJ's dad is divorced- a single man- not by his own choice but at his daughter's insistence. But what a mess if TK's mom were to become SJ's stepmom! That might be one wedding too far.
This writer likes to surprise us so...it could happen?
Kathryn51
June 21, 2023 at 2:02 PM
I've been watching all along but realized yesterday that I wasn't paying much attention, so decided to come o Dramabeans recaps - and found this thread. As I am proceeding to through this behemoth "recap" (and perhaps I should wait until the end before replying so early in the thread), I am struck by your analysis of Se Jin because I have similar thoughts. She is a great villain - and by now (around Ep 23 or so) we now understand what happened to her long ago with the grandmother! who I consider the most irredeemable of all the characters.
I'll keep reading but I'm also glad to see that you were looking forward to Joon Ha's return as well.
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too_much_tv
May 30, 2023 at 7:33 AM
I feel like her motivations are mysterious enough that revealing the backstory is going to be a significant part of the plot. We know she had a thing with Taek-Young in high school and that she broke it off cruelly. We don't know what her feelings were at any point about anything!
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM
She knows no one and has no connections. She had no friends. With her personality I doubt she will get a guy. I think it’s the familiarity. And the fact that she was abandoned at the altar makes her right the wrong. She is as prideful as her father, I guess.
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21 ar_arguably romantic
May 23, 2023 at 4:05 PM
I'm really enjoying the recent developments with YD's mom getting the Grandma to learn how to read, TK catching feelings for YD and the baby growing inside her, TK and YD being friends, and finding out that the little niece is a popular Youtuber! I'm also enjoying the snobby couple with the brother and sister-in-law. I want to hate them and be like "I don't want you to raise a baby who will end up snobby like you", but their love and sincerity towards each other makes me wish their pregnancy journey well. I was surprised they had let the uncle join in their shaman session instead of telling him to get lost.
It does stress me out how terrible our OTP is at the pretend-marriage stuff. I guess they've never ever watched dramas before. At least, YD realizes that they likely don't have the finesse to keep up the lie for 3 months. And the second-hand guilt of lying to everyone! And the lack of respect for privacy with everyone getting into their stuff feels stifling.
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Jackem
May 23, 2023 at 7:49 PM
Oh it filled me with deep satisfaction when YD's mom got the drop on Grandma. Was so. darn. happy. Because the amount of toxic awful was just unreal (ha).
I know there are different dynamics in Korea between family members, but if Grandma had pulled any of that on anyone I know, they would've said no to her face and just left until she learned to not behave like a bratty toddler throwing a tantrum because she didn't get her way.
As sickening as it was to see Se-Jin pull TK's head onto her shoulder, I loved the karma where he calls YD's name. Just *chef's kiss*. But yeah. Se-Jin is getting away with WAY too much to the point where while I keep waiting for her awfulness to come to light, I'm not sure if all of it will be shown, and I will be left wanting blood.
I repeat, the actress is doing a fantastic job of making her character so fantastically hateable.
Here's hoping for a lot more sweet scenes and development for YD and TK!!
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22 owl 🦉 🫰
May 24, 2023 at 11:47 AM
Se-Jin tried to play the jealous-because -of-me card twice: once as they were leaving the bakery with the carrot cake and she told TK not to mention that she found the shop to YD. He replied she’ not suspicious that way. And then when she helped put drunk TK in bed, she told YD not to think anything was going on. YD said she trusted TK. 2Wen will she stop trying to get between them?
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OldLawyer
May 24, 2023 at 10:12 PM
Answer: Somewhere in the fiftieth episode.
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owl 🦉 🫰
May 24, 2023 at 10:52 PM
Ugh, i think you might be right! That's a lot of putting up with Se jin for all of us!
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Jackem
May 25, 2023 at 6:55 AM
Oof, right? I feel bad saying this for the actress's sake, but I hope we at least get some episodes where Se-Jin is not at all featured to give us a break
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OldLawyer
May 25, 2023 at 12:36 PM
The actress is Cha Joo-young and we are witnessing a bravura performance by her. Seldom indeed has any villain been so well and so effectively portrayed as to elicit such a profoundly visceral response from the viewers.
owl 🦉 🫰
May 25, 2023 at 12:47 PM
We just need a Se-jin free couple of episodes~
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Jackem
May 26, 2023 at 5:39 AM
Agreed as @OldLawyer said, it's a great performance, but for the sake of enjoying the plotline, I know at least for myself I want some solid development between the leads and maybe less wild nosiness from the family.
That being said, the 'boy talk' scene had me laughing XD
The couple that isn't having the baby, as individuals, horribly annoying and I want to kill them, and then I see them as a couple and like them, and I have never, in all my years of watching any tv, had such whiplash of emotions where I can like people when they can be so irritating and nasty.
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OldLawyer
May 26, 2023 at 7:54 AM
I know what you mean.
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too_much_tv
May 30, 2023 at 8:24 AM
They are a big reason I foresee a lot of character dynamism and redemption in this series. They are both so dreadful and so sympathetic at the same time. On the other hand, so are the older sister and her husband. I want to smack them around for their stupid constant miscommunication. But maybe those two are meant to wind up with other people?
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Jackem
May 31, 2023 at 6:53 AM
They really are leaning that way with the pharmacist and the coworker, so I could see it.
Dorotka
May 27, 2023 at 5:26 AM
I have high hopes in the SML that he will start interfering Sejin's plans. 😁😁
Or will they co-operate?? 😱
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Jackem
May 27, 2023 at 7:08 AM
Oof my expectations of SML are rock bottom. I can see him teaming up with her. I'm already trying to emotionally prepare myself.
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OldLawyer
May 27, 2023 at 10:54 AM
I think that Dorotka may remember what I do: That the reason our SML was trying to break into the wedding was to stop Se-jin's marriage. He clearly has an obsession with her.
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Dorotka
May 27, 2023 at 11:10 AM
Though we don't know yet what he will do when he finds out that the baby is his.
OldLawyer
May 27, 2023 at 5:46 PM
I was thinking of mentioning that he seemed to have an obsession with the baby too. With the SML we may actually have dueling obsessions. That could be really interesting if not extremely messy.
too_much_tv
May 30, 2023 at 8:25 AM
The SML knows that the Real is really his biological baby. It wasn't left ambiguous.
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too_much_tv
June 15, 2023 at 6:16 PM
I said this, and now the SML is back and he clearly doesn't know that the baby is his. Hmph.
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owl 🦉 🫰
June 15, 2023 at 6:35 PM
It's crazy to go after someone for revenge of a completely different person or an indirect reason .
23 owl 🦉 🫰
May 24, 2023 at 12:21 PM
Se-Jin tried to pull the jealousy card by suggesting TK not mention that she found the carrot cake shop. But he told her YD is not suspicious like that. And then she told YD not to think anything is going on because she drank with TK. And YD said she trusted TK. As much as she tries to get between them it’s not working. .
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24 OldLawyer
May 27, 2023 at 11:00 PM
Se-jin now knows that SD was Kim Joon-ha’s Ex, but does not yet know that Kim Joon-ha tried to stop her wedding. Yoo-myung has now met Soo-gyeom but thinks that Uncle is the girl's father- I think that we will get more of this story in episode 20. Tonight’s cliffhanger: TK has asked SD to terminate their contract immediately after staring at their photo booth pictures. Is it time for an idiotic separation based upon a misunderstanding? But the highly of the episode was the moment that SD told Se-jin that she loves TK, and he is hers. Followed by her claim to TK that it was just a white lie- are we really going to string out the confession forever? And isn’t it time for Joon-ha to re-appear? If nothing else it would complicate Se-jin’s life.
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OldLawyer
May 27, 2023 at 11:01 PM
I meant "the highlight of the episode".
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Dorotka
May 28, 2023 at 2:09 PM
Ooooh, I so enjoyed Yeondoo NOT letting Sejin manipulate her AND telling Sejinn off! You go girl!
I wish Taekyung's termination of the contract would follow with asking to be Real (😁)... but with 31 episodes to go I'm afraid we will get some Noble Idiocy instead. 😒
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OldLawyer
May 28, 2023 at 7:30 PM
Se-jin being told off was another highpoint. I do not think this will be a Noble Idiocy arc- just a stupid one cause by not communicating.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 1, 2023 at 4:52 PM
What! We have 31 more episodes????
😥
💪💪💪
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OldLawyer
June 1, 2023 at 6:12 PM
No No- Please come back off that ledge- we are now down to a mere 30.
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25 Dorotka
May 28, 2023 at 2:14 PM
On a shallow note, it was nice to see Uncle being so cleaned up 😁 Ryu Jin used to be a leading man...
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OldLawyer
May 28, 2023 at 7:33 PM
I do not see Ryu-Jin's role as a minor one, even if he is not the ML. The writer may be starting Uncle's love story plus he may be set up to be a major part in two of the other stories as well.
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Dorotka
May 29, 2023 at 8:10 AM
Oh, I more meant that I still remember him as the dashing male lead years ago... time flies...
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 1, 2023 at 4:27 PM
Ah! I kept wondering why he looked so familiar.
They did him bad with that hair and hideous clothes 🥲
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26 OldLawyer
May 28, 2023 at 10:26 PM
For once we did not end with a cliffhanger but rather- finally- after only 20 episodes- a confession. It was one of those wonderful moments that you can really only get in a weekender or a daily because we have come to know these characters so much better by the time it happens.
But in fact, the cliffhanger is there too- only it is an implied cliffhanger because Se-jin has figured out that Kim Joon-ha is the biological father of Yeon-doo’s baby. So that is hanging over their heads even as YD has just thoroughly scolded TK’s family for their bullying. On a lighter note Yoo-myung and Soo-gyeom’s story has started in earnest- and apparently the Big Reveal of Soo-gyeom’s daddy has been reserved for a later moment when comedy is again needed. Meanwhile our other pregnant couple is having a hard time because TK’s sister refuses to reveal something to her husband. And I lost my sympathy for TK’s older brother and his wife as they returned to their crabbed and selfish selves. It is going to take something more than a scolding to turn them around.
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dramadillo
May 29, 2023 at 11:03 AM
I like that the stakes have shifted now that Tae Gyeong and Yeon Doo have feelings for each other. To remain in a relationship for real(😉), they’ll need to decide how long to keep lying about whom Real’s bio dad is. I don’t think lying for the rest of their lives is an option, so it will be a question of timing.
I wonder if Se Jin and Joon Ha will join forces, or if Joon Ha would rather just get back together with Se Jin. He wasn’t interested in the baby before he made it a competition with TG, and both SJ and JH are vindictive enough to want to ruin TG and YD out of sheer revenge, so I’m bracing myself for the next 30 episodes.
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OldLawyer
May 29, 2023 at 11:55 AM
I think that there may be a period when Joon-ha is figuring out what he wants to do. He might actually be delighted to discover that Se-jin is not married after all. It will really be up to Se-jin as how this goes. She is the primary villain in this story. I am not sure if Joon-ha is even the revenge type- what would be in it for him? We know that he actually tried to stop Se-jin's wedding so I suspect that we will get several twists to this.
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ar_arguably romantic
June 2, 2023 at 9:42 AM
I had felt some sympathy for them before but they were just so hateful this past week. They deserve to be childless. I hope when they get their sperm-donor baby, they'd feel the horror and worry that that baby may have to endure all the bullying they've done to Tae-kyung. In the end, only the sister's baby will have the blood of the founder of the company.
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27 Dorotka
May 29, 2023 at 7:48 AM
Confession time! 🥳💃🎊
(I'm sooo happy they didn't drag it!)
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dramadillo
May 29, 2023 at 10:39 AM
It felt so good after how cold Tae Gyeong had been towards Yeon Doo. Every time he said something that put distance between them, it hurt, even though we as the viewers knew his feelings. They were both being evasive about their growing feelings, but I really felt for Yeon Doo, whose sense of self-worth has taken a hit as it is.
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OldLawyer
May 29, 2023 at 11:42 AM
Yes, it was getting increasingly frustrating seeing TG run away from his own feelings and watching YD being hurt by this when she has already been through so much.
This was poignant in part because not only does YD now truly know that her feelings are returned but because TG has finally abandoned a defensive mechanism that he no longer really needed and can now live a happier life. They are both good people who deserve that kind of a life.
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28 Dorotka
May 29, 2023 at 7:50 AM
Of course Principal would end up as the new tenant 😄
And Yeondoo's Mom is right, his problem is his Pride.
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dramadillo
May 29, 2023 at 10:45 AM
I like that we’ll get to see Jang Ho’s inflexible, prideful and stubborn side outside of the context of his relationship with Se Jin and her mum. I think he has a lot of growth ahead too, but next to the makjang duo, it’s hard to feel anything but sorry for him.😅
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 1, 2023 at 4:19 PM
Makjang duo. Lol. 😂😂. So apt.
I agree. He needs this family. I hope to see a better side of him.
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ar_arguably romantic
June 2, 2023 at 9:45 AM
I got a kick out of there being a cohabitation plot for YD's mom and the Principal. You'd usually see that for a younger couple. I'm hoping the drama really ships them.
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29 dramadillo
May 29, 2023 at 10:33 AM
Ep 20 thoughts
I just have some minor thoughts because others have covered the key events, like the wonderful final minutes of this ep!!🥳🥳🥳
Kooky theory:
Awful oldest brother, Cheon Myeong said that he has a plan for how they can have a baby after all (after being motivated by his greed for company shares🤢 - sorry I have little sympathy for him.) Do you think this will be where the sperm donation from Dae Sang (Yeon Doo’s uncle) story arc might come into play? If so, it may come back to save Tae Gyeong and Yeon Doo from the fallout of their families finding out that their baby isn’t biologically TG’s because the eldest couple will have a child that isn’t blood-related either, and both couples will have lied about it. The family can either accept or reject both.
Can someone please explain whose phone Se Jin has in her possession and why she has it? I don’t recall how she would have ended up with Joon Ha’s phone, but it seems to be his?
Also, does Yoo Myeong think Soo Gyeom is older than she is? So far, we’ve heard from other characters that she’s 7, but YM tells SG that SG is the best/her favourite 12 year old.🤷🏻♀️ It may have been a mistranslation!
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dramadillo
May 29, 2023 at 11:21 AM
Oh and a close runner up for my favourite scene in this episode is when Se Jin’s mum questions why SJ asks about DNA testing. Her mum says ‘You don’t have a friend who’d talk about intimate things like that!’ Apart from being quite harsh, it’s telling of Se Jin’s singleminded focus over the past however many years - imagine if she had actually put some of that energy into making friends! That moment, apart from forcing Se Jin to look at her own ‘reflection’, actually made me feel a bit sorry for her. It was fleeting, but it happened!
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OldLawyer
May 29, 2023 at 11:36 AM
Yes, Uncle as sperm donor is probably the answer that Cheon-myung has in mind as he is apparently 'the problem'. Why Uncle? Because this could be done very privately without going through a sperm bank- and because Uncle feels he owes a big favor to TK because TK has married Yeon-doo. Your observation that this will save our leads is something I did not think about but almost certainly is spot on and none of this is even slightly kooky but rather quite consistent with the story.
It has to be Joon-ha's phone but why it was left at the company or in her hands when he left Korea remains a mystery: I had the same thought about that apparent plot hole. Presumably Joon-ha got a new phone (and a better phone plan- no being charged for leaving a message?) when he went to the US.
YM is very well aware that SG is not 12 years old- she said that as a compliment, that even the 12-year-olds that she knows cannot compare to YM, which is true and part of the reason I think that SG will build an empire when she is still in her twenties. We are still waiting for that wonderful moment when YM discovers who SG's daddy really is. Followed by that wonderful moment when she discovers that she is actually SG's aunt by marriage (or will be once our lead characters finally register that marriage)- by which time she will have fallen for SG's daddy, we hope, leading to some really comically awkward moments.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 1, 2023 at 4:23 PM
She seems to be a phone kleptomaniac! the number of times she took someone else’s phone! She might as well just tap everyone’s phone.
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30 ♡Peach_Mochi♡
May 29, 2023 at 11:00 AM
Yeon-doo's verbal takedowns of Se-jin and TK's awful family were immensely satisfying. The protagonists were sorely in need of a "win" to restore some balance to the plot. This is only my second weekender -- after "Young Lady and Gentleman," which IMHO focused too heavily on the villains at the cost of the supposed main couple's relationship/character development. Here's hoping the writer of "Real Deal" continues to find the sweet spot that can make watching a weekender so addictively frustrating and rewarding at the same time.
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Dorotka
May 29, 2023 at 1:25 PM
What I also liked was when the family members were asking YD to move out, she said: I will first talk about it with TK. Meaning also: I'm not breaking under your demands.... and we two are a team and we first discuss this demand and decide what WE will do.
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31 Jackem
May 29, 2023 at 1:11 PM
Hoh.
Oh. My.
Finally caught up to the 20th episode.
I know most of the big topics have been covered here, so I'll just say some of my smaller thoughts/ maybe celebrate a little.
1) Yeon Do's niece... who the heck is keeping track of this kid?! She just went on a shopping spree with a stranger, and no one had any idea. Like her dad was just mildly annoyed she was a bit late coming home from the park. Like I understand there are different safety levels in Korea, but that seems a bit much to me lol.
2) After Yeon Do gave to call out of the season to the nasty family members, when she stormed past Se Jin, I just wanted her to casually flip her off as she walked by. That just would've been the perfect cherry on top.
3) Se Jin andt the SML have some villain couple moves to pull together, I have no doubt. Super interesting theory someone had up there about the Uncle becoming the sperm donor- Another interesting possibility is when the younger sister inevitably ends up dating the younger brother, she will become 'stepmom', and if grandma doesn't watch herself could push her away too if she's unkind to an eight year old. Which could help even the playing field on 'non bio kids' side.
4) Once Se Jin's dad's pride comes down (and honestly I think living with a wholesome family is a great cure for it), I think that will be a big part of Se Jin's final undoing.
5) Absolutely love that TK finally accepts someone is in his corner, and it's okay to take risks because they are willing to fight along side him.
6) Last but not least, Yeon Do is over 3 months pregnant now. Where is the bump?! I'm so excited for that development, especially with TK maybe being extra attentive and loving ;)
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Dorotka
May 29, 2023 at 1:31 PM
3 months is not much 🙂
As for Soogyeom, I of course don't know the current situation in Korea, but when I was a child, we often played outside with no adult around and we were supposed to be at home by 6 (church clock) or at dawn (sunset). Though to be honest, nowadays I wouldn't let my girls to do that. 😅 Times have changed.
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Jackem
May 30, 2023 at 7:36 AM
Oh times have most certainly changed, but Yeon Do is now almost 4 months pregnant, it's bump time! (Not like I'm impatient or anything for all the cuteness... >.>)
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 1, 2023 at 4:11 PM
I rarely remember dramas showing bump progress. We spend most of the time in the first trimester and then the last month when baby is being born. I wonder how they will handle her pregnancy. Will they go on a baby moon :)
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ar_arguably romantic
June 2, 2023 at 9:57 AM
I thought she was under 3 months? In the week before, when she first brought up ending the contractual relationship, she was like "i don't think we should wait until the three months. I think we should end it when we're ready" She was starting to feel guilt towards her family and his mom since they've all been so happy about their (fake) relationship. It was originally set at 3 months because it's harder to get an abortion by their point.
I think you get away with not showing by 3 months. 3 months is usually when a couple announces a pregnancy and the rest of us will go "no way! congrats!!" I think half of the bump grows in the last 2 months of the pregnancy anyways.
I was surprised at how much free reign Soo-gyeom has to just hang out with complete strangers for hours. I can't figure out her age. If she was 10...then maybe it's okay. I was taking the buses and trains and hanging out with friends for a couple hours after school by age 11.
At the same time, the pharmacist's kid was probably gone for half an hour and the mom freaked.
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OldLawyer
June 2, 2023 at 4:05 PM
Soo-gyeom is seven years old. Her family does not freak out because they know her better than anyone else and so they know that she has a clearer understanding of things than people much older than her- as Yoo-myeong told her, she beats out twelve-year-olds (flattery but all the more effective for being absolutely true). In short, her family can trust her.
When I look at Soo-gyeong I see the writer imagining what Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk might have been like at age seven. Which is to say a child who is particularly precious even in an economic sense: A future entrepreneur of the kind that literally creates economic growth for her country.
I have noted that this weekender is unusually topical- A response to the discovery that Korea needs to have more children. Soo-gyeum is the writer's way of telling the audience that the writer agrees with that. The writer is then asking the audience to honestly face the reasons why this is not happening. It is that call to face some uncomfortable truths which is the message of this drama.
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Jackem
June 4, 2023 at 6:27 AM
She found out when she was 4 or 6 weeks pregnant, and then they said a three month contract, and also at one point she said she was 12 weeks... so... you know... bump it XD
If anyone knows exactly I'm all ears
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32 Asha13
May 29, 2023 at 1:41 PM
So far I’ve seen only episode 19. ENJOYED seeing grandma being taken down a peg and enjoyed even more seeing Se Jin having her butt handed to her. Yeon Do! Gurrrl I’m a big fan now. Also love the friendship growing between Soo Gyeong and Yoo Myeong. Finally, this drama is hitting the right spots for me.
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33 geminirat
May 29, 2023 at 5:40 PM
Yes, @jackem, I was also looking for Yeon-do's bump. With everybody knowing she's pregnant, it would have been nice to see her wearing more comfortable loose clothes and shoes. With both TK and YD admitting they like each other, I hope the show goes into lovey-dovey mode for them. With YD's room in their house rented out, she won't have a place to go to if she separates from TK.
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Jackem
May 30, 2023 at 7:40 AM
Right?! So excited for all the sweetness.
Also, I'm just going to say, one of my favorite thing about this show, is that the leads are so open and literally know everything. There isn't any secrets they are keeping that could weaken them as a team. Like I cackled when Se Jin thought she was dropping a bomb on TK and he just stared at her like:
"Her ex? Wut about it? I know everything."
LOL makes me imagine the future.
"BABY ISN'T YOURS!"
"...Aaaaaand was that everything?"
I really hope the show writers don't start messing with that element, because it's so fantastic.
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34 OldLawyer
May 29, 2023 at 10:09 PM
I have now watched the final minutes of episode 20 about 10 times and noticed something. One of the love stories in this drama is the growing bond between Yeondoo and her mother-in-law Lee In-Ok. At the end of Yeondoo's thorough lambasting of TK's family she suddenly exclaims "Yeondoo!" but it is really an expression of shock rather than disapproval. Yeondoo has truly fought for her man, and you can be sure that Mama is now absolutely convinced that TK has married the right woman.
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Possum
May 30, 2023 at 12:01 AM
I think the exclamation was because Yeon Doo was saying all the things she could never say but has never been able to. Yeon Doo is her first ally in the family.
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Dorotka
May 30, 2023 at 12:08 AM
So I'm not the only one re-watching the ending? 😊
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OldLawyer
May 30, 2023 at 7:20 AM
I am certain that others have too. I was wonderful.
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OldLawyer
May 30, 2023 at 7:21 AM
I mean it was wonderful
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too_much_tv
May 30, 2023 at 8:50 AM
Oh, I thought she was cheering for YD there! I absolutely agree with you that the biggest romances in the series so far are between the leads and their contract MILs.
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35 Possum
May 30, 2023 at 12:06 AM
So relieved that they didn’t break up. I thought for sure that they’d break up and the later reunite after realising that their relationship was actually more than just a contract one. There were a couple of moments where we could see things about to hit the fan and had to pause to enjoy the moment before it happened(Uncle bringing Principal Jang home and Grandma and Yeon Doo becoming student and teacher, so delicious)
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36 OldLawyer
May 30, 2023 at 10:36 AM
Two weeks ago several beanies requested a guest post from me on surviving a weekender or daily. I have just posted my thoughts on my fan wall- the very first fan wall post I have ever done. As I will rarely, if ever, make another one fan wall post this post regarding tips and approaches to weekenders and dailies should remain easily accessible for a long time to come. Please feel free to come up with additional suggestions: I am not some ultimate authority on these shows but just someone who enjoys most (but not all) of them.
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OldLawyer
May 30, 2023 at 10:38 AM
please excuse my bad grammar- I meant simply "another fan wall post". This is what happens when you rush a comment just 20 minutes before starting a hearing.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 30, 2023 at 12:39 PM
Thanks for doing this valuable community service. If the next weekender has a hangout and we have them going forward it would be great if post early on and tag it in the hangout then newbies will be able to find it easily.
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dramadillo
May 30, 2023 at 2:13 PM
And here is the permanent link for this post, so that everyone can share it freely!! https://www.dramabeans.com/members/oldawyer/activity/1410297/
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PYC
June 2, 2023 at 8:45 AM
@db-staff. Could we request this piece by @oldawyer be posted as a guest contribution on its own. It’s a great advisory to new and experienced beanies who have never or rarely watched weekend family dramas?
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OldLawyer
June 2, 2023 at 10:46 AM
From time-to-time DB does open up for guest submissions. I will submit it then.
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OldLawyer
June 3, 2023 at 8:23 AM
I have submitted it (with minor edits) and just received confirmation that it will be posted next week.
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PYC
June 3, 2023 at 8:49 AM
Fantastic - looking forward to that! Thanks for sharing your thought.
Dorotka
June 3, 2023 at 11:51 AM
Congratulations!
It's a necessary introduction to Weekenders 🙂
37 Blue (@mayhemf)
June 1, 2023 at 1:55 PM
Finally caught up! so glad beanies cleared up about the actor. I was so confused when a new dad came back from his travel. I Thought my memory sucked that I forgot faces or chairman had a major plastic surgery. lol.
Liked the OTP progression so far. Their fights became real because they caught feelings. I thought that was done well. Didn't expect Tae Gyeong to be the one to confess. I am glad he wasn't in denial for too long. Even more glad we didn't have a break up/angst.
So the obnoxious 2ML will show up soon? arghhh
So many potential couples are hinted.
It does look like principal and FL mom are one.
The brother and the maknae sister.
The other sister and her hoobae at work.
Bro in law and the single mother with bicycle boy.
FL uncle and the worker.
Wondering how many of these will actually happen.
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OldLawyer
June 1, 2023 at 6:28 PM
Most but maybe not all. For sure we get Maknae and younger brother- that one is just to good for the writer to pass on it: It has just about all the possible weekender themes you can think of, including being in laws, plus maknae has already formed a bond with her niece by marriage (and does not know that relationship yet- and technically it won't even exist until our leads register their marriage). That does not mean they end up married, just that this is set up for a romance with a lot of comedy elements. They make such a wonderful pairing: The serious, struggling young single father who has had to be a fully responsible adult since he was 18 on the one hand and the outgoing, impetuous, and very smart woman who approaches life like a bulldozer on the other hand.
FL's Uncle and the worker (and former/current crush) - because they need each other and it simply makes sense.
The others: Some may be only flirtations but certainly they will play out in some fashion.
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OldLawyer
June 1, 2023 at 6:30 PM
It was awkward accepting a replacement actor as our Chairman and ML's father but he is actually doing a much better job of it from what I can see.
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PYC
June 2, 2023 at 8:49 AM
Much as I don’t like actor replacement half way through a drama, this new Chairman/father brings more energy to the role.
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38 ar_arguably romantic
June 2, 2023 at 10:35 AM
Love how episode 20 ended! I was frustrated with TK for pushing YD away and had to FF through the Se-jin's scenes, but was glad to see TK and YD step up to protect each other.
YD really conveyed the hurt and horror at seeing TK being hated by his family. For 20 freaking years! It made me really angry. I think some blame also has to be assigned to TK's mom and step-dad. They waited until TK is grown and married and was starting his own family and then were like "hey maybe he should be a part of the family". I guess because he isn't that expressive that they thought he was just brushing the hate off his shoulder like it's no big thing. I know TK's mom sacrificed and struggled a lot to be a single mom and he's just being filial sacrificing some of his happiness for her happiness. It bugs me that she didn't go through with leaving the Gong family after the first few years of mistreatment. And TK's stepdad should be more ashamed of how his first two kids turned out.
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39 OldLawyer
June 3, 2023 at 10:56 PM
Episode 21 ends with the dramatic return of the 2ML. YD does not trust the change in TK but TK is definitely working on creating a real marriage, although he is honest enough to wonder if it is something that he is capable of, which is why it actually makes sense for YD to be trying to distance herself. But she is not being honest with herself in doing this- she is already very attached to TK and to his mom too.
Meanwhile Yoo-myung has now been confronted with the Soo-gyeom's daddy- and he is just a bit bitter about it. noting that any romantic interest has been cancelled by that. But he is also not excited about Soo-gyeum being contracted as a You-tube "creator" either. This is his daughter we are talking about, and his protective instincts are in high gear as it were.
Did Uncle and Hee just start on the path to romance- or at least are at the trailhead?
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Dorotka
June 4, 2023 at 1:19 AM
We also got a date of Yeondoo with her MIL and then Taekyung with his MIL... meeting at the same place afterwards, od course 🙂 The two MILs being happy to see each other. What a nice dynamic.
And Sejin's Mom even had a sound advice - give up on TK (he was never yours)!
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OldLawyer
June 4, 2023 at 7:46 AM
Se-jin's mom surprised me- and so did Se-jin's tears.
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Dorotka
June 4, 2023 at 8:16 AM
The question is whether Sejin is coming to terms with the reality... or whether her crazyness will get even more extreme.
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OldLawyer
June 4, 2023 at 9:37 AM
Se-jin knows too much about TK and SD to simply accept reality- and at the same time she has no way of knowing how far their relationship has really progressed- which makes sense given that even TK and SD do not really understand it either, even if TK's actions are beginning to reflect their new reality. Net result, more craziness, perhaps magnified by our 2ML- who will have his own way of seeing things given that Se-jin dumped him.
Dorotka
June 4, 2023 at 1:23 AM
TK will need to work hard to convince YD that he is serious and that their Real Relationship has a chance. Especially now, when the second lead is back and going to shake everything up.
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40 Jackem
June 4, 2023 at 6:48 AM
Alrighty, writing this post EP 21, though knowing me I'll watch EP 22 later today and have to post again (I am so wildly happy I found this community because of all the feelings and talk about it).
At first when YD was pushing TK away, I had the whole "NOOO" reaction because at times I hate drama for the sake of drama when simple is the way to go, but then I took a second and really thought about it. YD is 100% reasonable, realistic and right.
She can't gamble a new relationship and counting on someone when she is supposed to be looking out for her kid. It was refreshing that both of them had a very mature, honest way of handling things. It wasn't 'I love you! Let's go all the way! Haha!' TK was honest about being uncertain about taking on such a big role, and was treating it with the right amount of levity.
And YD was doing the same. She can't gamble her long term stability and well being on uncertainty. Plus the psychological aspect of whether or not she can trust someone after being so horribly hurt and betrayed by SML.
It's a really tough situation, and time sensitive. So the stress is real (lol. Real.).
Onwards with the other characters!
Loved. Absolutely LOVED seeing YD handle the grandma as a teacher and just winning big time. She did it really well, and getting to see that she is good at her job again was awesome.
Felt so bad for Oh Dong Wook. Having someone low key insult him as a dating option because of his daughter who he is trying to care for the best he can.
Can't wait for the romance with Gong Yoo-Mung to develop, the growth potential for her is going to be a lot of fun and so important as she bonds with his daughter.
Also love seeing YD's mom have the principal bring in another 'parent' vibe to give her nice things in life. Really really hoping this is one of those relationships that work out.
Lastly it was wonderufl having a bit of a break from Se Jin this episode, and I actually found it kind of funny that even her mom who isn't the most practical woman just be like "Give up on TK, this is nuts." Even she can see her daughter needs to give up the chase.
Phew.
Okay. Sorry for the ramble! Onward to EP 22 in just a few hours! WOOT!
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OldLawyer
June 4, 2023 at 7:45 AM
You are right about where SD is coming from and the fact that the writer thought to include this side of her situation really shows just how real the writer is being in this show.
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Dorotka
June 4, 2023 at 8:24 AM
I had the same reaction with NOOOO 😄😄 while absolutely understanding the reasons behind (you nicely summarised).
I think there is a misunderstanding about Yoomung and children, I think she just doesn't want to have her own children (and going through the labour), so getting Soogyeom as a daughter can be a nice solution, they seem to click so well already.
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OldLawyer
June 4, 2023 at 10:04 AM
I see them bickering over Soo-gyeum all the way to the altar. Yoo-myung will need to overcome the common prejudice against dating someone with a child before there can be even a possibility of romance. It is possible that watching Dong-wook be a father with Soo-gyeom make him desirable to her. Jay, the child of wealth and privilege, might have been very neglectful as a father but Dong-wook can never be- his character is permanently fully formed in this area, and it would be impossible for him to be anything but a good father. As being with Soo-gyeum melts away her fear of raising a child that fact will become very important.
The fear of being left as a single parent with no hope of ever finding someone again is yet another factor in people's decision not to have children at all. Once again our writer is asking people to get real about why not enough children are being born. This social or romantic bias against dating single parents is a real thing and not unique to our Maknae. Which is why I have come to think of this story arc as Maknae and the Young Father- because it is directly confronting that prejudice.
But don't forget that Maknae and our Young Father will be in-laws as soon as our leads register their marriage. This further complication awaits as well.
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Dorotka
June 4, 2023 at 10:49 AM
Ha ha, yes, I can see them bickering over Soogyeom 😄
I think the moment Maknae realises that she wants Soogyeom AND her Dad as well, she will not care about any prejudices and will just go for them. The family interconnection may pose a bigger problem... though perhaps they will move abroad (Paris?) and Maknae and Soogyeom will become the famous Mom-Daughter influencer duo. 🙂
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ar_arguably romantic
June 10, 2023 at 9:29 AM
In addition to the usual bias:
I think as the culture of parenting has evolved to being more hands-on and giving children more of a say (less top-down than previous generations), I feel like it's harder for single parents and people presented with the option of dating a single parent - to connect. Step-parenting can be tricky because it is one party moving into an established family dynamic with its own parenting rules/principles.
I wonder if the maknae can move from being Soo-gyeom's BFF to being the parent (even if not the primary parent). It'll be interesting to see her mature into that role. Just like how it's interesting to see Dong-wook fully put on his dad-hat.
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41 Asha13
June 4, 2023 at 1:59 PM
I hope the storyline with Tae Gyong pursuing her while she turns him down doesnt go on for too long, it will get old pretty fast.
Also, I wonder if Hee, the Uncle's first love, is scamming him
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Dorotka
June 4, 2023 at 2:51 PM
Have you seen episode 22?
The answers are there 😉
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Asha13
June 4, 2023 at 3:11 PM
No, it isn’t available where I am yet
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OldLawyer
June 4, 2023 at 4:31 PM
I am still waiting too.
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Asha13
June 5, 2023 at 3:03 PM
Just saw it. First question answered, I will wait for the second :)
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42 Dorotka
June 4, 2023 at 2:49 PM
When Yeondoo refused Taekyung's hand in the car, I was so sad... but then... then she suggested living like a real couple for the remaining time 🥳💃
(I can't wait for the next weekend! 😁 )
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Dorotka
June 4, 2023 at 3:02 PM
Side note:
So far, Yeondoo and Taekyung were mostly supportive, kind and straightforward to each other. But the secret apartment makes me worry. I hope Yeondoo is not planning to just disappear when the contract is up (though the realtor knows her address, of course).
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ar_arguably romantic
June 10, 2023 at 9:31 AM
That sounds like what she is going to do. She's pulling the "I'm going to live my life to the fullest with the limited time I have left" thing. (even though it's not cancer plot)
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dramadillo
June 7, 2023 at 2:47 PM
Tae Gyeong reaching for Yeon Doo’s hand was such a ‘how do kdramas do it?’ moment for me - the squee factor was through the roof and all that was happening was a brief moment of handholding!! I honestly don’t understand the secret sauce that makes it work, but my heart was fit to burst for them.
Of course, I also understood why she pulled away - she feels she must guard/protect her heart (and Jinjja), and has spent the previous episodes having the distance between them re-emphasised whilst wishing TG a worthy partner (not herself). It’s going to take time…hopefully not longer than 2 months!😉
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Dorotka
June 10, 2023 at 7:09 AM
Absolutely! 😊
To both points, actually.
Just... I want to squee more!! 😆
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43 Dorotka
June 4, 2023 at 3:08 PM
Btw, I'm getting used to the new actor playing Chairman, Chairman now seems to be more capable of putting Sejin in her place... the rest of the family as well (especially Grandma 😁 or Hyung).
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Asha13
June 4, 2023 at 3:12 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Starting to warm up to him
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Seekers Armguard
June 4, 2023 at 3:55 PM
Agreed. No issue with the previous actor but his face looks too kind. Episode 22 seems to be setting up some beef between him and Se-jin so the actor swap came just in time.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 6, 2023 at 10:25 AM
New chairman got some new spine too.. lol
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OldLawyer
June 7, 2023 at 3:07 PM
He seems to fit the part of a Chairman much better. I could never see how the first actor would ever have dared to marry TK's mom. With this one it is more believable.
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44 Seekers Armguard
June 4, 2023 at 4:44 PM
Prior to this weekend I found it hard to pinpoint why I couldn't drop this series despite how "boring" it seems, but with episodes 21 and 22 I finally know the answer: it's quite refreshing to watch the characters make grounded decisions around romance. Episode 20 ended with an unusual "high" because of the confession, so I thought it'll finally get exhilarating. But the latest episodes proved that it shouldn't. I think it's a charm that's pretty rare for a medium that is often reliant on exaggeration to be entertaining.
I love how YD didn't immediately ride along TK's confession even when she obviously has feelings for him. I was so excited for how their romance would finally bloom, but after some thinking, YD's reality dawned on me. She got pregnant, unplanned, and the father is absent. Her choice of words in the scenes where she pushes TK away kind of implies that she also looks down on herself because of it. It makes sense when looking back at the first few episodes--her career got ruined because of the baby, and YD's mom threatened to kill herself out of shame when YD decided to raise the kid on her own. She's been enduring some shame all this time + the guilt of having to lie to TK's parents on top of that when she has received nothing but love from them.
I think this is also why TK's honesty was very important. Not just about his feelings for her but also about the fact that him pursuing YD goes against core beliefs that he lived throughout his life. The situation is unique because since the baby's wellbeing is top priority, TK has to become a good spouse first to prove he's a suitable boyfriend. That might've been why YD suggested to live together immediately, as a test.
It seems that the key for our leads to be together is for them to overcome things within themselves, which I think is beautiful... Especially since they've already overcome external challenges together simply by being supportive and caring of each other, and always giving each other the space to speak. Jun-ha and Se-jin's threat level seems to be increasing though.
Come to think of it, YD and TK already nailed the basics, and all that's left is the romance 😂
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OldLawyer
June 7, 2023 at 3:37 PM
The show's "get real" approach to romance can be seen even in the fallout from when the Chairman married TK's mom. He adopted TK (certainly a manly thing to do) but TK has suffered from the Chairman's decision to marry his mom and to include him in his family.
We also saw how Yoo-myung's budding interest in SD's younger brother immediately evaporated when she found out that he was the father of Soo-gyeum. Now he is an obstacle and even after Soo-gyeum talks him around she will have to deal with him in a completely different way. Their story will also require them to deal with reality, including the discovery that they are already (or will be once the leads register their marriage) in-laws which carries a great deal of weight in Korean society (Grandma will explode).
But, as you said, TK and YD have now largely nailed the basics and the most thrilling thing about YD's offer at the end of episode 22 is that she actually has cracked the door open to at least the possibility of a real marriage. "Let's see how it goes" carries the full implication that the end result could possibly lead to something more permanent.
Given her situation it was really very brave of SD to offer the alternative that she did. Now it is up to TK do seize the opportunity.
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Seekers Armguard
June 8, 2023 at 5:18 AM
About the "get real" approach you mentioned: I encountered the press con for this drama a few days ago, and the director said that while he was aware that there is romance in the plot, floating societal issues was also one of the goals for the drama. So it's less about YD and TK's love story, and more about "how one small life can significantly change the trajectory of the lives of those around it". And it actually makes so much sense, because since Jin-jja (and even Olive) were conceived:
- YD had to put her career on the backseat, committed to becoming a single parent, and yet now is considering a father figure in TK
- TK somehow found ways to integrate to the family that mostly dislikes him, mostly through YD and Jin-jja, and is now questioning his disbelief in marriage and parenthood
- SJ lost her opportunity to marry into the family, with Jin-jja being her biggest obstacle
- Chul-myung (the eldest son) finds his position in the inheritance threatened due to Jin-jja and Olive, and might possibly face the reality that his position was only gained as a birthright (being eldest)
- Ji-myung (the eldest daughter) is in primetime to be NX Group's successor, as she is implied to be more competent than CM + she scored inheritances for Olive, who might also be the key to repairing her relationship with her husband Hyun-woo
- And like what you said, Yoo-myung and Dong-wook's dynamic was altered when Soo-gyum being DW's child entered the picture.
(If you don't mind spending 48mins of your time, here's the press con, subbed in English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rKmV0g4jbI)
The director's statement is probably disappointing to those who want more fluffy romance from the leads, though for me personally I think they managed to balance it with the societal commentary quite well.
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OldLawyer
June 8, 2023 at 1:20 PM
Thank you so much for that link.
Weekenders are not supposed to be fluffy romcoms although some are more comic than others. The classic SMILE, YOU is a good example of one of those. They are supposed to be entertaining and sometimes they fall short of that goal- or start well and then lose their way (like many C-dramas).
I agree that this show has maintained a nice balance between confronting societal issues and simply being entertainment. Good dramas of any genre do that.
Not that I have ever objecting to fluffy- fluffy is good and we need a certain amount of fluff in our lives. But a show that confronts a serious problem is good too. The truth is that we need both kinds of shows.
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45 Jackem
June 4, 2023 at 6:00 PM
Okay, here friends, EP22!
YD is being so careful and hesitant with her feelings, and as much as it frustrates myself and I'm sure other audience members, she sure as heck has good reasons. She is really trying to fight against her emotions with Real in mind. You see a glimpse of her caving when she says at that at least for 2 months, to live as an 'actual' married couple (I want some hard definitions in here -.-). She is just trying to extend things for her own emotions because she can't help it, but really is trying to watch out for Real.
She's human but in the best way in my opinion for this part.
Really hope TK remains as patient, adorable, and awesome with her as he is now!
LOVED getting to see Se Jin faced with cold reality after SML. So happy he opted to continue refuting the child.
And c'mon, we're all pretty certain her dad is the one sending that cryptic message at the end there. He is finally coming to terms with the act that his daughter is out of control.
The other cast members are coming along great in their story lines, but... It needs to be said with regards to the sister and brother in law...
Gong Ji-meyong... ARE INSULTS THE ONLY THING YOUR MOUTH KNOWS HOW TO MAKE?! FRIGGIN COMMUNICATE!!!!
Okay. I swear I'm calm now. But seriously, Her husband knows next to nothing about her! But you can't blame him for being insensitive when she tells him nothing!
Uncle sperm donor is HAPPENING! XD Not much more to say here except that the couple continues to flummox me with how lovable they are as a couple and despisable they are individually.
This is everything I can think of (FOR THE MOMENT)! Can't wait to hear everyone else's reactions.
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Seekers Armguard
June 4, 2023 at 7:57 PM
You're a genius on Jang Ho (SJ's dad) being the sender of the warning message! The scene cut made it seem like Jun-ha did it, but given where we left off with the Jang family interactions, only Jang Ho has the right connection with Chan-sik (TK's dad) and the motive to send him that message.
But then I really feel bad for him though... Imagine having to face the idea that your daughter is the antagonist of the story and having to stop her :(
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OldLawyer
June 7, 2023 at 3:40 PM
I think it was a brilliant deduction too.
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46 OldLawyer
June 4, 2023 at 11:25 PM
One of the highlights of episode 22 was watching Kim Joon-ha gets some emotional revenge for being dumped by Se-jin. As much as I dislike our 2ML I had to applaud him just this one time. Of course, next we see him deciding to mess with everyone involved so my approbation was fairly short-lived. In contrast watching SD break down in tears because of her guilt to her MIL was actually hard. The story of Soo-gyeum, Maknae and our young father took a further step forward and at the very least Soo-gyeum, at the ripe old age of seven has begun her entrepreneurial journey by starting what to her will be an apprenticeship in marketing. She has already had her first idea for serving a group of people who had a need no one else had seen, now she will start learning how business works. Meanwhile Maknae will be learning a lot about herself and children- and her soon to be brother-in-law as well. Romance is still very far off.
Maybe Uncle's romance is about to begin for real.
TK's older brother has raised the sperm donor idea with his wife. She is upset but give her time.
And we finally know that Tk's older sister never had an abortion but miscarried instead. I still do not get why she never told her husband who as an OB/GYN would have been the first to know and to tell her that miscarriages are quite common.
But the very happiest moment and the true highlight came at the end of the episode with SD offering TK a trial marriage for the remaining two months of their contract. She had just admitted to herself that she could not live without him either, but she still has reason to feel very unsure about the situation.
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Portia aka Dr D
June 5, 2023 at 2:34 AM
A web of intrigue is spun, characterised by deception, manipulation, and hidden agendas. It all started when Yeon-doo disappointingly admitted to the real estate agent that she wasn't married, but she conveniently omitted that the baby she's carrying was not TK's. As the plot thickens, sympathy arises as In-Ok expresses excitement about the baby, hoping it will resemble her son, who is implied to be "the father." Unravelling further, it is revealed that TK's older sister did not have an abortion but experienced a miscarriage. Her silence on the matter stems from the possibility that her husband may not be the father, suggesting a clandestine affair? We may eventually find out. The intricate connections and concealed truths within this web of intrigue continue to unfold, leaving the characters and viewers entangled in a captivating narrative of secrets and revelations. I'm still trying to take to Se-Jin and Joon-ha. Wouldn't surprise me if they end up together... now that would be funny.
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dramadillo
June 7, 2023 at 2:05 PM
Ooh I hadn’t thought of the possibility of an affair, but somehow I don’t think that’s why she kept quiet about her miscarriage.🤔 Ji Myeong is very opaque to me as a character!!
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dramadillo
June 7, 2023 at 2:01 PM
I wish we had some flashback scenes of Ji Myeong and Hyun Woo because I really cannot see how this relationship could have ever had legs. Was she always a prickly, cold person and that’s what he fell for? Or did she used to be different? And as you say, why wouldn’t she tell her husband about her miscarriage, to the point that he believes she had an abortion without telling him?!? Also, how did she come to marry someone who is such good friends with a brother she doesn’t even acknowledge? Did she meet him because of Tae Gyeong? The set-up just feels so unlikely to me.
With Kim Joon Ha, I like that it at least makes sense that there’s no love lost between him and Se Jin, given how she discarded him. He seems to have returned at the beckoning of NX group because he’d like to wreak a bit of revenge. I can’t tell yet what he has in mind, especially now that Yeon Doo is also part of this picture. But Yeon Doo is the real innocent here - she believed she was in a genuine relationship with Joon Ha, and was hurt by his affair with Se Jin. She has nothing to do with NX group or Se Jin’s behaviour, but just so happens to be in a relationship now with Tae Gyeong, whom Joon Ha feels very competitive towards. Things are going to get…interesting!🫣😬
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OldLawyer
June 7, 2023 at 4:02 PM
From what we heard from Hyun-woo they were once much a loving couple. Hyung-woo even named his clinic in honor of his wife.
I think that his friendship with TK came about through their common profession and because of his wife's family. They had paid for TK's schooling AND the advanced training to become a Fertility Specialist. His father encouraged him to bring that expertise to the Gong clinic (undoubtedly with Hyun-woo's very enthusiastic agreement given that such specialist are not overly common) as a way of helping his daughter and his son-in-law with their clinic. TK would feel obligated to join that clinic as a favor he owed to the Chairman.
Their friendship then very naturally grew from working together at the clinic. Given TK's professional value and expertise there is no way the Hyun-woo would ever look down on TK- and in fact his wife's animosity towards her adoptive brother may even have been a contributing factor in their estrangement although definitely not the primary one. The main reason is clearly her pride which makes her unwilling to tell her husband anything- including the truth about the miscarriage. It also probably does not help that he dares to be friends with TK.
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Portia aka Dr D
June 8, 2023 at 2:12 AM
I thought that Tae Gyeong and Hyun-Woo went to Uni together. Maybe Hyun-Woo met his future wife through Tae Gyeong, as you said. Maybe she was happier in their early married days, and as they have grown apart her personality changed, making her a cold prickly. (Sorry, that was two maybe in a row). It's all a little fuzzy. We still have 30-odd episodes to go, so maybe (there I go again) more will be revealed as the story progresses.
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ar_arguably romantic
June 10, 2023 at 9:51 AM
I think she told him it was an abortion out of pride and guilt. I'm sure they probably disagreed over her work and how her work stress may be affecting the baby. This was years ago so she was probably trying really hard to prove herself and rise up in the ranks. She had the miscarriage and probably felt guilty, so she was like "well i decided I didn't want a baby anyways!"
I'm guessing since she used the abortion lie, she was only in the first trimester, since abortion is limited in south korea after the first trimester. First trimester miscarriages are more common than society assumes. Women don't talk about it. Not sure if it's like this elsewhere, but in the US, in my circle, couples don't typically announce the pregnancy until the end of the first trimester when they can feel more sure that the baby will make it. I'd like to think that if she had been honest, he could have been understanding. But she treats all relationships like some sort of rivalry - which is not surprising given her relationship with her older biological brother.
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47 Blue (@mayhemf)
June 6, 2023 at 10:23 AM
Let me get this off my chest first. What's with the fashion in the recent episodes. Or was it always the same.
Gong Tae Kyung's trousers and their loose fit, with those oversized shirts and coats gives me a headache. I know oversized is in fashion, but not all pieces. And then his cardigan tucked into his trousers.. sigh.
And that skirt Se Jin was wearing with those maroon pockets.
And Yeon Doo's mom is always dressed like she is going hiking??
I feel Gong Tae Kyung is pushing a bit too hard on her. I wish he went a little slow. Bought himself and her some time.
I don't know what that ending was? Are they digging a deeper pit for themselves??
Yikes. 2ML is back. Don't like him one bit. The acting is very one note.
Se Jin and her mom definitely showed some personality these two episodes. I appreciate the show for not making them one note.
I like how the divorce is affecting the mother. She did something she didn't want to do. And having the father at home was a way for them to blame him and not take any responsibility. Now that he is out of the picture, it was interesting to see how lost she was without him. Interesting dynamics. But father looks much happier and at peace, what's with the gardening et al!!
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Asha13
June 6, 2023 at 10:38 AM
As far as the fashion, you spoke my mind. Yikes.
Agree about the Se Jin family dynamics.
Having seen him before, I feel like Ahn Jae Hyun looks puffy these days. Maybe it’s just me.
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dramadillo
June 7, 2023 at 12:35 PM
I love your take on Jang Ho as the family scapegoat. Not that he’s blameless, but you can really see how their dynamic as a family has been toxic and counterproductive to moving on. Se Jin’s mum saw their circumstances as Jang Ho’s fault right from the start and that has been the narrative they’ve clung to ever since. Heaven forbid she actually feel compassion for her husband!! Maybe he had to make some difficult decisions, and losing all that money was the lesser of several evils. It would be great to find out what actually happened.
I am no fashionista myself, so I’m feeling a bit self-conscious now!😅 I am always dressed like I’m going to the gym, but that is not where I go!🤣🤣🤣
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 7, 2023 at 2:40 PM
I am always dressed like I am going to bed 😅
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dramadillo
June 7, 2023 at 2:54 PM
That is my second ’setting’ - I’m either dressed for the gym, or dressed for bed! (Truthfully, there’s no big difference between them either!🤣🤣)
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Portia aka Dr D
June 8, 2023 at 2:34 AM
🤣🤣
48 dramadillo
June 7, 2023 at 12:19 PM
I am loving all the Ep 21 & 22 thoughts and discussion here!💗 Tae Gyeong finally has someone who stands up for him and fights his corner instinctively, simply because she values him as a person (and not because of his looks, money, status or whatever he can offer as a partner). I’m watching to see whether his feelings for Yeon Doo run deep, or whether he’s simply bowled over by this new/novel experience. (I think it’s clear where the drama stands with this, but I am yet to be convinced, much like Yeon Doo!)
There’s something I still don’t understand - why did Se Jin break up with Tae Gyeong in high school? Halmeoni didn’t want her to be with her eldest grandson, but she didn’t actually say anything about TG, and it was Se Jin’s mum who said TG was beneath them. So why break up with him and utterly destroy him with words in the process? I know we’d seen the break up scene once already, but I honestly don’t recall whether it was exactly the same because it seemed extra, extra awful this time around. Why would you do that to anyone, let alone someone you actually liked? Was she lashing out because she was hurt? I honestly don’t get it. What do you think, beanies?
Anyhow, I’m just glad we had some cute MIL date scenes for some sugary sweetness because I’m a bit nervous about what Kim Joon Ha might have planned…
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dramadillo
June 7, 2023 at 1:38 PM
Also, I wanted to quote Chun Myeong, eldest Gong son’s words: “It’ll be our child as long as you give birth to it.” !!!
I was not expecting him to be this far along in his thinking already, and if he hadn’t actually been the one to suggest it, I would have guessed that Soo Jeong would be the one to gently put various ideas on the table, introducing sperm donation and surrogacy as well (even though they’ve already mentioned that it’s an issue on his side).
If he really means what he says, then he should have accepted Tae Gyeong a long time ago, and he won’t be able to say anything when everyone finds out that Jinjja is not biologically TG’s child.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 7, 2023 at 2:48 PM
I still don’t like this couple. They are just mean for no reason. I am glad they all got an earful from YD.
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dramadillo
June 7, 2023 at 2:58 PM
Ditto - so far, they have just been greedy, self-important bullies who only love themselves and each other. I’m glad his father said he was disappointed in them.
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Portia aka Dr D
June 8, 2023 at 2:40 AM
They are mean because there is money involved. He is staking his claim as the eldest son, and she is a petulant woman who harbours jealousy towards those who conceive easily.
Was that harsh?
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OldLawyer
June 7, 2023 at 4:53 PM
Se-jin's break up in High School was because of what Grandma found- which was because of TK's carelessness in leaving it where he did. In her mind TK was the proximate cause of her family being tossed out onto the street. Plus, TK was the one Gong that she could vent her anger on with impunity. Her cruelty to him was the direct response to Grandma's cruelty to her. It is all too humanly understandable. So is the fact that she discounted the impact of her cruelty to TK just as Grandma does not even remember her past cruelty to Se-jin.
And yet she kept that necklace all of these years. Se-jin may be the most complex character that this writer has written for this drama- a character made all the more (hatefully) compelling by the fact that she is in the grip of an obsession.
In contrast our 2ML is, at least at this point, so one-dimensional as to almost be a cardboard cutout.
Chun-myeon is finally growing. You are right that it would have been nice for him to have had this new perspective sooner but at least his is getting there now. That too is very human- changing how you see things often only happens out of necessity, because we prefer not to change when we have that option. His love for his wife was so wonderfully expressed when he said that- as awful as he has been to TK you still have to admire his love for his wife. And we should all note the huge difference between the marriage of this couple and his sister's marriage: He and his wife actually really talk to each other.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 7, 2023 at 2:47 PM
I think she felt called out for her low status. And she and her family were kicked out. And some how she got this twisted idea that money/power is what will give her the status. And TG was an outcast. Liking him would do her no good. I guess she just lashed out on him because she was angry that he was not of any help to her, then or in the future. That’s my best guess.
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dramadillo
June 7, 2023 at 3:03 PM
I think you’re probably right - Se Jin logic is Se Jin logic. Someone needs to send her some inspirational quotes about how happiness is the best revenge because she’s like a bird flying into the same window over and over again.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
June 7, 2023 at 4:18 PM
I feel like seeing YD stand up to the family made her see things differently. That everyone has a choice. I liked when she called out grandmother for just using her.
finally we saw some cracks. But I am sure we will go back to good old scheming phone stealing Se Jin powered by evil 2ML 😅
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OldLawyer
June 7, 2023 at 7:10 PM
Of course we will- and it will be these efforts which ultimately drive our lead characters to register their marriage.
ar_arguably romantic
June 10, 2023 at 10:04 AM
I think Se-jin just really didn't want to be trampled anymore by the grandma. She didn't want to be seen by grandma as the parasite dating the other parasite, so she had to cut off all ties. So that she can't be tempted to try to make her and TG a thing.
What I don't get is why she kept on hanging around that family and running their errands as a secretary if she didn't have some big revenge plan. She just wants to be rich and respected again by marrying the family parasite?
I also can't imagine her just casually dating/sleeping with the 2ML and not try to get something out of it. Is he really that good in bed? Can't wait until she finds out that the 2ML is the one that the the Gong family company is courting. If she had married him instead, she could have been rocking it as his wife.
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49 Jackem
June 10, 2023 at 7:09 PM
EP23 Was simultaneously long and short for me at the same time. Probably because it was pretty evenly distributed screen time for the characters. In terms of progression in their plots.
On one hand we got gold content of TK and his brother-in-law scheming to try and bring peace to the house, but we also got TK and YD again being really open and honest with each other about where they are at and what they are feeling. YD is taking very careful steps into the two months, but I do love TK's attitude of: it ain't over 'till it's over.
Really appreciated the awareness of Yoon when she pointed out to her husband how a child they adopted would most likely be treated as TK was. Hopefully it will prompt deeper reflection in her husband about how he has treated/ thought of TK. It could be the start of a really beautiful arc of growth for them.
Honestly absolutely loving the call out YD gave Gong. Was everything we were thinking. Like you don't have to be a jerk. If you don't want the present your step mother got for you be polite and say no, she was just being nice.
2ML I enjoyed for how he put Se Jin in her place, but he is an a**, so we will see how far he pushes the envelope as a villain. Because he is a narcissist and is more confrontational and less weasle-y like Se Jin, I have more patience with him (Weird in a way, I know), but we will see. In the past his attempts at interference have been ill thought out, reckless, and juvenile. So I really hope some random evil genius doesn't suddenly emerge as that wouldn't feel like the character we got to know him as before at all.
Good development between principal and YD's mom, Se Jin's mom finally feeling some karma, we have YD's niece and brother tied with Gong Yoo...
All in all, a single step made amongst all story lines as opposed to 3 steps for one story.
We have YD and TK working on their relationship (presumably for 2 months).
Grandma immersing herself in her studies (Loving the reluctant partners in crime thing she has with YD right now).
MIL standing up for herself more.
Gong Yoo and Wook forming a 'professional' relationship for his daughter (yeah yeah we'll see how that goes).
Se Jin losing it bit by bit as her plans collapse on herself and she faces being ousted as a conniving wench to Gong Chan Sik.
And of course. 2ML there to... be a d**k I guess. He'll probably stir the pot just to make it about him again because as I said... narcissist.
Hooo.
ON TO EP24! WOOT!
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50 OldLawyer
June 11, 2023 at 12:30 AM
Seeing Se-jin totally disconcerted was one of the highlights of episode 23: Kim Joon-ha has clearly got her in his cross hairs, and she knows it. Meanwhile SD exhibited considerable jealousy when another woman approached TK- and also loved it when TK stuck up for her- yet she continues to hold him at arm's length while her sister-in-law finally let TK’s brother-in-law sleep in the same bed. Who knew that couple's yoga could be a competitive event? Meanwhile Soogyeum has signed a contract with Macknae’s company, with her daddy right next to her, thereby beginning her own very unique journey into the business world where she will never in her lifetime be someone else’s employee. It would have been nice to see more interaction between Maknae and our Young Father in this episode, but this was an important event all by itself. How about this for a fun idea: Grandma is running for the office of School President. And for our dramatic end to the episode we see Kim Joon-ha standing in TK’s office telling him “I missed you”- probably the most sinister use of those words ever. Not your usual cliffhanger but an effective one because the only thought that a viewer could have is “what is coming next?”
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