The Good Bad Mother: Episodes 7-8
by lovepark
Our bad mother never gets a break as tragedy after tragedy befalls her this week. Pushed to the brink, she feels trapped by her circumstances and chooses to do the unthinkable. However, as the saying goes, every cloud has a silver lining, and just maybe, our heroes will finally get to see the sun after the storm passes.
EPISODES 7-8
The cancer reveal from last week puts a sudden timeline on Young-soon’s plans, so she starts preparing Kang-ho for life without her. She teaches him how to run the farm and take care of himself, including a lesson on cursing for the occasional bully he might come across. Things go well at first for Young-soon in spite of everything, but another unexpected disaster strikes: an outbreak occurs at a nearby goat farm.
According to the law, all livestock must be culled within a certain radius, and before Young-soon can properly digest the news, the government barges into her farm and slaughters her pigs. As she watches her pigs die, it reminds her of all the loved ones she has lost before, and this incident becomes the final straw.
After buying herbicide, Young-soon takes Kang-ho to visit his dad. Unaware of her plans, Kang-ho innocently comments on how this feels like a picnic but rescinds his statement since they forgot to pack gimbap. Hearing his words, Young-soon apologizes and explains how she lost her family and husband after making them gimbap. As a result, she became afraid of losing him as well, which was why she never sent him on school picnics.
As Young-soon struggles to open the bottle of herbicide, Kang-ho takes it from her and offers to help. For a moment, she looks up apprehensively as if caught red-handed, but Kang-ho tells her that they need to feed their pig first. He says that they can start over with Lion, and Young-soon weakly smiles back at him.
While at work, Mi-joo overhears the pesticide owner talk about Young-soon’s recent purchase, and she immediately puts the clues together. She runs to Young-soon’s house in a panic and comes in time to see them returning from their trip. Without forewarning, she grabs the bag from Young-soon, and Young-soon realizes that Mi-joo knows what she planned to do. Before she leaves, Mi-joo asks Kang-ho to take her son to the bath house tomorrow, and her seemingly nonchalant request gives Young-soon an excuse to live for another day.
Experiencing a change of heart, Young-soon decides against the double suicide, and instead, she drops Kang-ho off at a long-term care facility. Kang-ho asks if she is leaving him behind to go somewhere nice, and when she does not answer, he apologizes, thinking that he did something wrong. Holding back her tears, Young-soon lets go of Kang-ho’s hands and rushes to her truck without looking back.
At home, Young-soon dresses up and says her final goodbyes. Right as she kicks the chair from under her feet, the doors open, and Kang-ho stares up at her. Having escaped the facility, Kang-ho wheeled himself all the way home, and filled with desperation, he stands up to save his mom.
The sight of Kang-ho standing reinvigorates Young-soon, and she slips the noose off. She hugs him in relief, but Kang-ho’s expression hardens as his gaze goes up to the ceiling. He leaves the house without a word, and Young-soon chases after him.
In a daze, Kang-ho stops in the middle of the road, but all his emotions burst out at once when he sees Mi-joo staring at him from down the street. As they find shelter from the rain, he tells her that his mom abandoned him, but Mi-joo thinks differently. She says that his mom would never do that, and if she did, then she probably has a good reason. Kang-ho wonders how she knows, and Mi-joo tells him that she was abandoned, too.
As the two of them sit in silence, Young-soon finds them and takes Kang-ho home. She decides to tell her son the truth and explains how she is sick and did not want to burden him. While Kang-ho listens to her explanation, he asks if he was a burden to her, then, and the hypocrisy of her actions finally hit her. Realizing that Kang-ho wants to be her guardian as well, Young-soon genuinely smiles for the first time in ages, but this respite lasts mere seconds before things turn dark for our mother-son pair.
Still elated from earlier, Young-soon orders Kang-ho to stand again, but this time, he fails. He begs her not to leave him, but a shadow clouds Young-soon’s face as she refuses to believe him. Taking Kang-ho out in the rain, they arrive at a creek, and to my utter horror, she throws him into the water.
Kang-ho cries out for help as he crawls to his wheelchair, but Young-soon grabs her son and tells him that he can do it. She pushes him further in and yells at Kang-ho to walk. Then, in the most jarring transition, we see Young-soon learning about hydrotherapy, and the traumatic creek event turns into a regular practice. After what must be weeks of physical therapy sessions, Kang-ho regains the use of his legs and takes his first steps.
I need to pause for a second. Are we really doing this again? Wasn’t the food deprivation treatment enough to get the point across about Young-soon’s character? I don’t understand the message the show is trying to promote with this. Young-soon’s methods are extreme and abusive. Even if Kang-ho sees improvements, these scenes feel bittersweet at best because I don’t agree with Young-soon: the results do not justify the means.
Her methods and their consequences (or lack thereof) are too idealistic, which makes them problematic. Drowning your disabled son in a creek is a traumatic experience, and the fact that Kang-ho comes out of that intact is insane. I really hope no one watches this drama and thinks for a second that “tough love” will cure paralysis or any medical ailment. It’s even more disturbing given the fact that there have been child abuse cases in Korea in recent years that have caused societal uproars as well as the general increase of child abuse incidences.
While I get that Young-soon is supposed to be a “bad” mother, does the show really believe that because to me, it feels like they paint her as a misguided but ultimately loving parent. Will she be held accountable for actions? At this rate, I highly doubt it.
Young-soon’s controversial methods aside, the rest of the villagers are just as excited to see Kang-ho walk — even if that means they wasted money on an expensive electric wheelchair. They hold a feast to celebrate this joyous occasion, and Mi-joo gets roped into the hubbub when she comes home early to fend off the twins’ fake dad. (She had her backstabbing partner’s boyfriend pose as daddy dearest, and apparently, the ex-partner stole from him, too.)
Everyone in town gathers for the festivities, including Woo-byeok’s stooges who are posing as farmers, but while the others have a good time, Sam-shik feels threatened by Kang-ho’s new appearance. Later that night, drunk Sam-shik ambushes Mi-joo and the twins outside their home, and he proposes to Mi-joo, promising to make them happy. She appears to accept his proposal, but then bursts his bubble when she mentions their creditors. She tells him that she cannot afford to daydream like him, but Sam-shik vows to come back after settling his debt.
Kang-ho’s old apartment security guard calls Young-soon out of the blue to give her a letter Kang-ho left in case his mom ever came back to move out his stuff. The note depicts a warm and loving son, and Young-soon realizes that he left her a coded message since he never talked to her like this. As expected, Kang-ho has no idea what he meant, and Young-soon is left stumped.
In the meantime, Young-soon and Kang-ho go to town to take new portraits, and afterwards, she teaches Kang-ho how to hold funeral rites. Once they finish, Kang-ho looks at their new family picture and suggests adding his dad to this one, too. Suddenly, the meaning behind the letter clicks for Young-soon, and she finds a memory card hidden inside the frame.
It seems that we’ll finally get more information about past Kang-ho and what exactly he was scheming. It’s clear that he knew his life was in danger, and though he distanced himself from Young-soon, he still trusted her enough to leave behind something important. While she is a terrible mom, I do think she is a resilient person, and if anyone can help Kang-ho bring down the bad guys who killed his dad, it’s Young-soon.
Though I have a hard time liking Young-soon, I have no complaints about Ra Mi-ran who was absolutely phenomenal this week, especially in Episode 7. She portrayed Young-soon’s broken spirit with such care and depth that I found myself empathizing with her despite my misgivings. Her eyes are particularly expressive, and I love how she conveys so many complex emotions through subtle looks and body language. Ra Mi-ran captures Young-soon’s vulnerability and tenacity so well, and brings a much-needed nuance to the character with her performance.
I also want to praise the directing this week and the show’s use of color to convey tension and emotions, specifically in the scene of Young-soon’s attempted suicide. With the rain, the atmosphere changes to a grey hue, representing the shift in tone. It heightens Kang-ho’s smoldering anger and contrasts between her hopeful demeanor to his troubled one. Then Mi-joo is introduced to the scene with yellow, bringing warmth visually as well as emotionally to Kang-ho.
When done well, the show is great, but my biggest complaint is that they make it so hard for me to like Young-soon. Whenever I think she’s making progress, the show takes it all back with some asinine stunt, and we’re back to square one. Maybe it’s a me problem and not a show problem, but sometimes I wish I could pretend certain things didn’t happen. I’m not inherently against unlikable characters (I actually like well-written antiheroes and villains), but I want the show to make its intentions clear. Is Young-soon a bad mother whose actions are not forgiven even though they helped Kang-ho, or is she actually someone to be pitied and praised for raising a successful son in the face of towering obstacles? Maybe the answer is that she’s both and neither at the same time.
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Tags: Ahn Eun-jin, Lee Do-hyun, Ra Mi-ran, The Good Bad Mother, Yoo In-soo
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1 Unaspirated
May 19, 2023 at 10:09 AM
The hits just keep coming, don’t they? At this point, I think in my own mind I’ve decided that Kang-ho’s paralysis was psychosomatic. I’m sure there were injuries to his limbs and spine initially, but those have long since healed and now it’s just lack of use and in his head. That is really the only way to explain a lack of food “motivating” him enough to regain the use of his arms a few episodes ago, and his mother’s suicide attempt being the thing that would make a difference for his legs. I’m really tired of her abusive parenting techniques getting results. I can’t believe she tossed him into the pond to make him stand up (I mean, I can it’s just awful), and this coming minutes after their great breakthrough moment together. Talk about whiplash. I wish she would have to deal with her abusiveness at some point, but maybe she will when he regains more of his memories? I can’t imagine Kang-ho will have an easy time trying to square all the good moments with the abusive ones as it is, let alone when he remembers all the past abuse also.
In a stunning turn of events, I find myself on team Mask Lady/Shakespearean Fool. When her husband said that he deserved to die for the things the villagers had almost done to Young-soon, I said, “True” at the same time she said, “That’s true” and it has cemented her role in my mind as the eccentric truth-teller of the group. Also shout out to Sam-shik’s dad this week, who got his wife to stop indignantly defending their son when he was obviously a bully as a kid.
I’m pretty relieved that Kang-ho seems to be gaining in maturity as he gains his physical abilities back. We’re more than halfway through the show at this point, and he was a bit slow to progress from his 7 year old mindset at first. I don’t mind that it happens a bit slowly, but I don’t want to run out of time and have it all happen at the end, especially when there are so many issues to resolve that seem like they will need an adult version of Kang-ho to clear up. Don’t blame Ye-jin for having a crush on him though - he’s progressed just enough to really seem like her oppa.
Can someone explain what the point of Sam-shik is? I can’t help but think that this story would be exactly the same if he was not in it. I like Yoo In-soo, but I have found myself pretty unable to like Sam-shik and his overbearing crush on Mi-joo, and he doesn’t seem to be adding much that the adorable farming thugs are not already bringing to the table.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 19, 2023 at 10:53 AM
‘ and he doesn’t seem to be adding much that the adorable farming thugs are not already bringing to the table.’ 👈🏾 🤣 I wonder if the meeting of the gangs and his attempts to scam the conglomerate heavies will somehow be part of the reveal process to speed up Kangho’s memory. When he is angry he remembers his law training.
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Kafiyah Bello
May 19, 2023 at 11:08 AM
I love love the mask lady, so I am happy to have more people on that side. I think she is great.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 19, 2023 at 11:32 AM
I think the most waste of time character is the singer with the hoarse voice he literally could be removed and it would make no difference as his friends who all missed him saw through his scheme and don’t maintain contact he keeps to himself now the farm is closed why can’t he move to another village since he has no friends from his past he could live anywhere.
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Minka
May 20, 2023 at 12:00 AM
Right?! I was like why is that nuisance still in this episode? It’s dragging for too long already. I hope that scene with Young-soon is the last we see of him.
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2 Linarrick
May 19, 2023 at 10:16 AM
Arghh I’ve basically tapped out. Apart from Kang-ho’s and Mi-joo’s relationship and their cute children I don’t really give a F about anything else. Mi-joo is a perfect foil to Young-soon, she really listens and her words of encouragement, support and honesty effect Kang-ho far more than any of Young-soon’s harsh words and techniques.
And don’t get me started on Young-soon, I can rant about that lady for DAYS. We know from tons of research POSITIVE reinforcement helps with recovery and basically everything else from education to work. But this lady watches a video about a man who was in the water with an another man helping him to float for his recovery. And what does Young-soon do instead? Literally throws her son from his wheelchair into a cold ass lake and just shouts at him??? Doesn’t even get in the water with him! Whaaat?!
I don’t care if she has cancer, the story was meant for both mother and son to reconcile their differences but also for them to repent and do better. So far Young-soon hasn’t at all connected her abusive behaviour to Kang-ho’s corruption. She doesn’t seem to understand the role she played in his life, one that was built on fear, anger and loneliness but never one of unconditional love. This is why I hate the cancer plot line, it absolves her of her guilt and puts unnecessary pressure on Kang-ho to ‘heal’ faster. And any abusive techniques Young-soon uses is deemed ‘necessary’ because of cancer *sigh*
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3 Asha13
May 19, 2023 at 10:20 AM
“Yong soon pushes Kang Ho to the limits.” When I read this in the episode summary on Netflix I was debating whether this would be a good time to drop this show. My wee heart can’t take more of that nonsense. Episode 8 had me wanting to kick her shins. The stupidity was mind numbing. When he is working with a therapist, what is the point of torturing him by repeatedly throwing him in the water? I wanted to hold her head under said water for just a few minutes.
The most adorable moment for me was when Kang Ho forced himself to look ferocious as he said “son of a …” 😂
While it’s important to be realistic, the unrelenting hardship that falls on everyone in this show is hard to watch. Perhaps they need to tone it down a little and show a little upswing.
I snickered a little at how seeing his mom hanging somehow gave him the ability to stand.
I am thinking he will regain his memory just before the election, and expose the politician in the last possible minute
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miso
May 19, 2023 at 10:28 AM
The "son of a b****" scene was funny esp. since it begins with Young-soon (technically) saying it to her own son 😂.
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pliplipli
May 19, 2023 at 4:50 PM
this show is throwing every possible harship to manipulate the audience and not really for storyline purposes. its so clear as its ridiculous.
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4 miso
May 19, 2023 at 10:26 AM
There were so many sad and moving moments this week that Young-soon's return to her old ways felt especially jarring. From the culling of the pigs to her utter descent into despair, I could really feel her pain. But then she started abusing her son again and I mentally checked out.
At this point, I'm just here for the thug farmers. It was such an excellent sight gag when we go from seeing the thugs in suits to seeing them in the typical flowery quilted vests. And Sweet Thug grew a lettuce leaf! You go dude, live your best farming life!
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Asha13
May 19, 2023 at 10:46 AM
The thug farmers are great and for me it’s additionally mijoo’s family. Mijoo is lovable, the kids are adorable and her mom, the ramyeon lady from divorce attorney, is supportive and so likeable
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 19, 2023 at 10:58 AM
‘ the ramyeon lady from divorce attorney, is supportive and so likeable’ 👈🏾 Great call, how did you catch that one? I would never have recognised her.
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Asha13
May 19, 2023 at 11:01 AM
She was my favorite in divorce attorney. I looked at her Wikipedia page 😬
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Asha13
May 19, 2023 at 11:02 AM
She has some range huh?
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Unaspirated
May 19, 2023 at 11:10 AM
I recognized her right away, but they sure made her look way older in this. I hope it's just makeup and a wig!
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 19, 2023 at 11:26 AM
Yes, I am going with it’s the makeup the ajumma outfit and wig because she looks amazing in the photo on her Asian wiki page.
ys
May 21, 2023 at 3:25 PM
I would never not recognize Kang Malgeum!
But to be fair, she looked more likeRamyun lady in the first episode when she gave birth to Mijoo, before the ahjumma perm and grey hair.
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5 Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 19, 2023 at 10:48 AM
Thanks for the weecap @lovepark
Every week there is a now to be expected ‘How does that even make sense moment’ with Youngsoon. This week was way beyond her worst actions to date and we didn't think it could get any worse. Jebal, jebal, jebal writernim 🙏 let’s draw the line here as surely there is nothing left apart from killing him…oh yeah even that was almost actioned this week😬
It is a known phenomenon that certain life or death incidents can lead a person to temporarily gain superhuman strength and when the situation is resolved there is no way they can do that thing again. I think the fact Kangho was abandoned, rode home, saw his mum attempt suicide and somehow managed to stand up to save her in all one day was more than enough for anyone physically and mentally. It was unbelievable that rather than register how scary that would all have been to a 7 year old; Youngsoon’s first thought was to make him do stand again.
At no point in her throw him in the water approach to physical therapy, did she do anything that would have helped build up the muscle strength. He was literally in traumatic response mode trying not to drown or get pneumonia. The fact she didn't share her booster session techniques with the actual physiotherapists shows that she knows what she is doing is wrong.
In other news:
The Ajusshi farmer outfits and the joy of the lettuce was one of the highlights from this week. The gorgeous children, the quiet phone call to cancel the hen for the long awaited ‘welcoming of the prodigal son in law home’ ceremony were all elements that lifted the mood. I loved the dead pan way Samshik’s mum told him where the pesticide was. I wish he could just tell his parents what was going on rather than try to scam someone/anyone in order to pay back the gangsters.
I do not know how I am balancing the humour, love story, and cute twins with annoying village people and the ridiculous logic that is being applied to Youngsoon’s abusive parenting approach. Case in point; Kangho was never allowed to go on a picnic because two random unrelated to the food incidents took place and that led to a strong connection between picnic food and death. Is the audience really supposed to accept that as good enough to cancel out the very damaging impact this ‘all work and no play’ approach had on Kangho’s quality of life as a child?
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Asha13
May 19, 2023 at 11:05 AM
“ It is a known phenomenon that certain life or death incidents can lead a person to temporarily gain superhuman strength” agreed but this has been so massively overused in films that I simply discount it completely
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Kafiyah Bello
May 19, 2023 at 11:14 AM
I will say, I appreciated that he wasn't suddenly able to walk afterward, and it was clearly adrenaline.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 19, 2023 at 11:25 AM
My mum did it to free my toddler brother’s head caught in iron railings!
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Minka
May 20, 2023 at 12:31 AM
“It is a known phenomenon that certain life or death incidents can lead a person to temporarily gain superhuman strength and when the situation is resolved there is no way they can do that thing again.” 👈🏼 THIS!
I don’t usually get carried away by the dramas in a drama, but that pushing Kang-ho to the creek scene got me all worked up I was spewing “Stupid… so stupid…”. Is Young-soon that stupid she doesn’t know about adrenaline rush? It’s so frustrating. If it happens a third time (food deprivation as the first), I will drop this show already because I refuse to support such writer.
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6 Nefret
May 19, 2023 at 10:56 AM
I have come to accept that Young-soon will probably always remain the bad mother, perhaps the drama never had the intention that she would be reformed and become a good mother.
In a way, she is the extreme example of a tiger mom.
That's why I wasn't shocked when she was diagnosed with cancer. But I found the scene when the pigs had to be slaughtered much worse. The poor little piglets.
As for Sam-sik, I wonder if the writers want to make the audience sympathise with him. They certainly fail to do so with me. He is a crook and probably always will be. And he was a bully.
I am eagerly awaiting the moment when Kang-ho realises that the twins are his children.
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LaurenSophie
May 19, 2023 at 1:33 PM
I think you're right about Young-soon always remaining the bad mother. For a while, we saw the "good" part of the good bad mother, then we reverted back to the "bad" part, and the result is that she remains bad mother who is sometimes good--i.e. the good bad mother. That may ultimately be a cop-out, depending on one's perspective, or it's the underlying theme of the show: that any person, given a set of circumstances, will be or become both a good and bad parent.
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miso
May 19, 2023 at 6:07 PM
Well the Korean title of the show is just 나쁜엄마 or Bad Mom so the 'good' part is merely what Netflix (or the creators?) added to the English version. So I do think that the aim of the show has never been to show a reformed Young-soon but rather to just show as that there are many sides to a so-called 'bad mother'.
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Minka
May 20, 2023 at 12:36 AM
I have noticed the Korean title too. But I’m glad they made the English title “The Good Bad Mother”. I think it’s more catchy.
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miso
May 20, 2023 at 1:02 AM
It's definitely more catchy! But it does set up expectations in people's minds about the show - like "when do we get to the good mother part".
Reminds me of Reborn Rich where, because of the English title, some people were unhappy with the ending since he wasn't actually 'reborn'. The Korean title didn't imply that since it was simply The Youngest Son of a Conglomerate.
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7 john
May 19, 2023 at 10:56 AM
Lovepark, thanks for the recap!
I like the cast and most of the characters. We have wonderful acting talent.
I only wish the storytelling was bit more coherent. I like Mi-joo ,Kang-Ho and the children.
The other elements; evil Kang-Ho, corrupt politician, murderous thug and Bad Mom’s eye rolling “rehab methods” are a jumble. The goofy thug farmers seems out of place. Not sure what the writer has in mind.
I’ll continue to watch though, Ahn Eun-Jin is a pleasant surprise.
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DancingEmma
May 19, 2023 at 12:48 PM
Ahn Eunjin has been wonderful as Minjoo and her acting has been impressive. The scene with Samsik was a standout for me when she painted a realistic picture of their future hounded life if they got married.
I wish all of the screen time wasted on that hideous composer character could have been devoted to Mijoo, Kangho and the twins. And, despite her character’s awful traits and actions, Ra Miran has been superb. She must have been exhausted after each day of acting given the miserypalooza the writers have inflicted on her.
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LaurenSophie
May 19, 2023 at 1:35 PM
Those scenes of Young-soo throwing Kang-ho in the water and screaming at him must have been so exhausting for both of them to film. Just watching a few minutes of them was excruciating for me; I can't imagine actually playing them out over and over again with all that intense emotion.
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DancingEmma
May 19, 2023 at 1:43 PM
I am with you. I felt really stressed watching those scenes and felt for both actors.
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miso
May 19, 2023 at 6:09 PM
I watched some of the behind-the-scenes and it's to the credit of the actors that they're able to get through some really tough scenes while laughing and enjoying themselves.
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8 bluejwoodz
May 19, 2023 at 11:03 AM
Just a few thoughts regarding this week's episode:
-Was anyone a little surprised at Young-soon's decision to take her life? I could not have predicted that at all. I know she must have been going through so much mentally and emotionally especially with her situation with her terminal cancer and the pig farm, but it still shocked me a bit at how extreme her decision was. I expected her to be a bit more resilient, even for the sake of Kang-Ho. Also, it seems the writer wanted to use Young-Soon's s*icide attempt as a catalyst for Kang-Ho's "first step at walking," but I wonder if there could have been a different or more nuanced way to do this?
-This week, I enjoyed seeing the subtle changes in Mi-Joo's demeanor towards Kang-Ho. Maybe because this "younger" version of Kang-Ho is more pure and thoughtful, but her slight bitterness or aloofness towards him seems slowly subsiding. My only grip is that I wish we had longer glimpses of Mi-Joo and Kang-ho's interactions (either in the present or past timeline). Those have always been the highlight of the drama for me.
-Lastly, the acting continues to be exemplary and there are a few lighter and comic scenes to help balance out the depressing moments. But shout out, in particular, to Yoo In-Soo who plays Sam-Shik with so much charm. His persistent one-sided crush on Mi-Joo is always delightful to watch and I'm glad we got to see more of him this week.
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9 Kafiyah Bello
May 19, 2023 at 11:06 AM
SIGH, she is really truly a terrible mother. WTAF, sigh.
On to the good parts, Ye Jin utterly in love with her father is the CUTEST thing in the world. Once she had to truly look up to him, it was over.
Min Joo continues to be great. She is going through it. Loving, despite everything. She is my favorite.
As for Lee Do Hyun. On a beanie thread years ago, there was some kind of comparison pole between Lee Min Ho and Kim Soo Hyun, who do you like better. I will never forget this, a beanie said I don't know who is better, but when Kim Soo Hyun cries, I cry. Lee Do Hyun is the same, every time Kang Ho was sad, I was too. I was crying with his crying.
Ra Mi Ran is also excellent in this. She is awful, I do not like her as a mother. How is she kinder to everyone else than to her own child.
I really enjoy this drama.
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Asha13
May 19, 2023 at 11:09 AM
I know right? The little ones crush on kang Ho was beyond adorable
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Minka
May 20, 2023 at 12:44 AM
I am loving it when Beanies already regard Kang-ho as the twin’s father (another one above did). 🙂 Yes, there’s no way he isn’t.
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10 panshel
May 19, 2023 at 12:01 PM
Young-soon does not deserve to be a mother. That was not a "double suicide" -- that was murder-suicide. In that scene, I realized how mature Kang-ho is despite his mental age because I believe that he knew when he offered to open the bottle and said, "after we drink this." He then tried to talk her out of it by telling her that they can start over with Lion. How does Kang-ho not have PTSD of water after being thrown into the creek over and over? Young-soon's never-ending child abuse is why I have no sympathy for her pain and suffering from cancer.
The annoying neighbor is ruining this show, but I'm watching for Kang-ho to regain his memories and reunite with Mi-joo and their twins and the unexpectedly funny farming thugs. I love the farming thugs, especially the cute sympathetic one who said, "Thankfully, this pig survived, but she lost all the other pigs." As soon as they brought Young-soon to the hospital when she collapsed, I can't wait until they turn good.
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Asha13
May 19, 2023 at 12:39 PM
“ I'm watching for Kang-ho to regain his memories and reunite with Mi-joo and their twins” me too
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11 Britney
May 19, 2023 at 12:57 PM
When Young Soon kept throwing Kang Ho in the water, that was rough. I get her frustration because he does things unconsciously or on instinct but can't when he's actually told to. It must be so frustrating to watch and then the added pressure of "I need him to be prepared and capable for life without me". I get her; I really do even though the things she done is seen as abusive or barbaric. Would I necessarily do it or be as understanding if I knew of this happening in real life? Probably not leaning towards no but in the context of the show, I get it.
(Also that scene reminded me of videos (or maybe it was 1 video) I've seen of a parent throwing their baby into a pool of water for them to learn to float or something and comments said that's apparently a thing)
The girl twin's (I think her name is Ye Jin) crush on Kang Ho reminds me of when people say a girl's first love is her dad.
There's a moment when the twins and Kang Ho are talking about how to refer to each other now and when the boy twin (I think his name is Seo Jin) said does that mean we should use honorifics, Ye Jin made a face and he backed down. Kang Ho said (softly) he always thought they should have been doing that. My question is: does that mean the boy twin is the older one and wanted to be referred to as Oppa? Would that be using honorifics?
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miso
May 19, 2023 at 6:15 PM
Actually Seo-jin's sentence was more like "do we really have to go so far as to use jondaemal (honorific speech)" because Ye-jin had started speaking in formal jondaemal to Kang-ho. An easy way to tell is if the speaker's sentences start ending in "yo".
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bbstl 🧹
May 19, 2023 at 6:52 PM
Speaking of which, I laughed hard when Sam Shik yelled at Mi Jo’s closed gate, in English, “I’ll be back-yo!”
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panshel
May 19, 2023 at 7:17 PM
Seo-jin was asking if they need to use honorifics with Kang-ho, and Ye-jin's face (and fist) was bullying him into submission because you hear him call Kang-ho "hyung" in the next scene. Seo-jin is the older twin (Mi-joo scolded Ye-jin, "How dare you pull your oppa's hair?"), but he wasn't referring to himself.
The unexplainable part is Kang-ho's "I actually always thought you should have been using honorifics" because Kang-ho was referring to himself -- that the twins should have always used honorifics with him. Which makes no sense because the three of them were supposed to be the same age (seven years old), and you don't use honorifics with your friends.
Unless Kang-ho now acknowledges that he is thirty-five years old since he started to crush on Mi-joo and calls Sam-shik his friend. I always found it weird that Kang-ho calls Mi-joo "Mi-joo ssi" and has a crush on his friends' (the twins') "married" mom.
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12 LaurenSophie
May 19, 2023 at 1:18 PM
I still think, at heart, that this is a good show with a lot of genuinely moving (the devastating loss of those innocent pigs) and hysterical (I'm still laughing over the wheelchair-reveal-gone-terribly-wrong) moments. But these episodes were often very hard to watch. It just all felt like too much, from the cancer to the pigs to the suicide attempt to the poor twins longing for a father who is in front of them and yet so far away.
I've chosen not to dwell too much on Young-soon returning to her abusive ways and throwing her paralyzed son into muddy water in which he easily could have drowned. It was cruel, very in-keeping with her character, and predictable. The fact that it also worked is honestly what bothered me most, because for the first time it felt like the writers were asking us to accept that her methods--which previously were framed as unacceptable even if they resulted in the desired outcome--were justified, and therefore, correct. And that's only because the writers were in a hurry to move past this point in the story and get Kang-oh back to being vertical.
Besides Young-soo, there are other mothers in this story who make questionable choices that they justify to themselves by fully believing what they're doing is in their children's best interests.
This week, I thought a lot about Mi-joo's dilemma, and what the ethical, right thing to do was and is. I completely understand why she initially lied to her mother and children that their father couldn't be in their lives because he was off in a faraway country doing his best to financially support them. This is the kind of well-meaning, simple lie that works with very young children who couldn't possibly understand the truth which is, as far as Mi-joo knows, that she was abandoned when no longer useful to their father. I didn't love the choice to fake photos and video chats, but I could understand the logic and care behind her choices.
I'm not sure how far the show will go in exploring this, but I find myself wondering what's the truly moral thing for Mi-joo to do now. I absolutely believe she should not keep lying to her children; this lie is only hurting them, and they are old enough now to hear some version of the truth. But, of course, Kang-ho doesn't know he's their father and besides, without the aid of memory and maturity, it's not clear that he even has the capacity to process her explanations and be a real father to them right now. Plus, Mi-joo still doesn't know why he left her, or what kind of person he became, which means she can't be sure his presence in the children's lives won't in some way be dangerous. And once the children find out it's not like they will be able to refrain from telling him or understanding if he has any other reaction than what they're imagining.
So I'm torn about that, which is a testament to how good the show is.
Other Thoughts:
--I'm sorry, but I still wish mask woman would go away.
--Sam Shik can...
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LaurenSophie
May 19, 2023 at 1:21 PM
can join her. His scenes mostly play as comic relief, but I find him to be very petty and selfish. I don't like him, or how he treats Kang-ho.
--I am intrigued by the discovery behind the family photo. That was a nice twist, I thought. It's in keeping with the way the suspense/revenge plot has been lurking in the background but thankfully never becomes the main story.
--Both Ra Mi-Ran and LDH were amazing this week. They play off each other very well.
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DancingEmma
May 19, 2023 at 6:02 PM
I was looking forward to seeing Yoo Insoo in another role but I haven’t warmed up to the character of Samsik at all. Maybe it is just written poorly but I don’t find his actions or lines funny. He just irritates me.
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13 PrettyBaeOnMDL
May 19, 2023 at 1:33 PM
Can't wait to start this drama, currently waiting for it to finish airing so I can binge on it.
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DancingEmma
May 19, 2023 at 6:03 PM
Bear in mind that it might be hard going if you binge.
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ys
May 21, 2023 at 3:50 PM
I was late to this party and binged the first 5 episodes to catch up. The show balances its darkness with humor and most of the characters are likable, so it wasn’t challenging to continue on. That said, now that I’m in real time, I do appreciate having a week to digest everything. And to read what Beanies think about the show.
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14 ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
May 19, 2023 at 2:25 PM
At this point, I'm watching only for Kang-ho, Mi-joo and the twins. Every interaction between these characters are ADORABLE and I'm living for it. Ye-jin becoming enamoured with Kang-ho is so cute. I'm counting down the days till Kang-ho realizes he's the father of the twins. Ahn Eun-jin and Lee Do-hyun are so great together, I need a proper romcom with the two of them.
As for the elephant in the room, Ra Mi-ran is a force of nature but I find Young-soon's actions in these episodes to be quite irredeemable. While I felt some semblance of sympathy for her in the murder-suicide scenario (even if there is no justifying killing your son because of your personal difficulties, I understand a person being driven to the brink by an escalating series of tragedies), the scene at the river horrified me. IMO there's no turning back for her no matter what the drama says. Starving your mentally disabled/paraplegic son was already too far, but throwing him into a river where he could easily drown just reinforces my stance that Young-soon should never have been a mother. Some people simply do not deserve to be parents and Young-soon is one of them. The show is actively depicting Young-soon's abuse as effective parenting and I cannot in good conscious condone it.
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pliplipli
May 19, 2023 at 5:01 PM
the only good thing this show could do is to take kangho from her care. make one of the villagers denounce her or something, but take him from her bad parenting until he recovers her memory. but we know the drama won't go there because they're making it clear her actions work at the end of the day.
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15 pliplipli
May 19, 2023 at 4:45 PM
this show is ridiculous. I dont mind a bad mother, but the way they're sending a terrible message about disabled people is infuriating. I'm not watching this since the first couple of episodes, but reading the recap and other comments online made me furious. what are the trying to do?!
I know life can just be really terrible, but at the same time I feel like the drama is just emotionally manipulating us throwing every possible bad thing toward this family. there's not a single moment to breathe, they want us to cry and feel bad all the time. its honestly tiring.
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16 Bunny Sonaki
May 19, 2023 at 9:24 PM
I wanted to say a lot about how I am mad at Young-soon's character. But the best thing to describe her as @lovepark says, she is neither and both at the same time
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17 FormAnOrderlyQueue
May 20, 2023 at 6:09 AM
I absolutely struggled to watch Kang-ho being thrown in the pond: genuinely traumatic and I am spitting bricks that it's highly unlikely that they will address the impact on him. He's mentally seven - how could witnessing his mother's attempted suicide and experiencing her trying to "drown him" not be traumatising? To suggest that he's just bouncing back without fallout is irresponsible at best...
I also found the practising of her funeral deeply troubling. He was clearly not comfortable with it; she kept forcing him to go on. He understands the significance of it - and it's planting anxiety in him about when she's going to die. This is not just bad parenting, it's horrendous.
But this does make me keep wondering what the drama is ultimately trying to say. Is it raising questions about what bad parenting is - where the line should be drawn? But since no-one's questioning what Young-soon is doing, that's not happening. Is it trying to get us to contrast all the different parents in the drama and reflect on the ways all of them are "bad" to some extent? But then Young-soon is so eclipsing the others with her bad choices that we're not encouraged to think about all the other parents. So what is it trying to say??
FWIW, I think mask lady has a facial disfigurement and her husband married her to rescue her in some way. Really not sure what her function is, but her masks are something else! Shout out for the pig, the unicorn and the Joker...
The main thing that's keeping me watching is the moment when the twins and their dad have their reunion as children and parent rather than friends. That's going to have me blubbing...
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18 pohonphee
May 20, 2023 at 7:04 AM
Kang-ho's Omma must betray every country she has been reincarnated to receive quadruple crowns of misfortune in every K drama under the sun.
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19 Britney
May 20, 2023 at 2:23 PM
I really like this show and even though we have a couple of more weeks with it, kinda dreading when it's over.
Even though so many seem to dislike Young Soon, I like or understand the character. If the show ends with her death, I think I'll shed some tears.
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20 Mamas Boy
June 24, 2023 at 2:40 AM
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21 Mamas Boy
June 24, 2023 at 2:43 AM
Part of KH’s cryptic letter to his mom reads:
“... but I still live in the memories I shared with you and Father.”
The mother correctly guessed that the “memories” refer to the picture of them together, and that’s where she found the memory card.
So, KH knew that his life was in danger or that he will be killed, that’s why he hid that memory card there – most probably when he and the Assemblyman’s daughter came to visit. I wonder what is in that memory card? Maybe evidences he dug up on SONG and OH.
Will the content of this memory card awaken his “sleeping” memories? Hope we’ll find out soon!
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