Reborn Rich: Episodes 12-14
by mistyisles
As we inch closer to the original timeline, a heavy loss slams our cast of characters, making them more desperate than ever to maintain what power they own and grab as much of each other’s as possible.
EPISODES 12-14 WEECAP
The board meeting when Chairman Jin plans to catch his attempted murderer off-guard is fast approaching, but Chairman Jin’s condition is getting worse. The car wreck exacerbated the malformations in his brain, causing unpredictable bouts of delirium that can’t be treated with medication without risking fatal side effects.
Chairman Jin, stubborn as ever, insists on going anyway, and it falls to Do-joon and Chairman Jin’s faithful secretary Hang-jae to explain that he’s not mentally fit to do so. Case in point, he’s suited up and ready to go, but it’s 9 p.m., not a.m., and he’s completely forgotten his trousers. It’s a tough scene to watch — they’re devastated and he’s embarrassed and confused — but it’s only a glimpse of what’s to come.
When the board meeting arrives, the first vote is on whether to establish Soonyang Financial Holdings at all. Do-joon secures a yes vote by pressuring Sung-joon with the revelation that Chairman Jin is awake and watching to see who acts against his wishes.
Next up is electing the finance company CEO, and it’s between Do-joon and Hang-jae (the latter being a throwaway nomination by Chairman Jin so as to make Do-joon the obvious choice). But Sung-joon had his own reason for letting Do-joon sway his initial vote. Appealing to the older board members, he points out that appointing a CEO as young as Do-joon will result in the whole company skewing younger with its hiring decisions, meaning they’ll all age out very quickly. His recommendation? Someone who shares their wisdom and experience — his own father, of course.
But just as the votes are being tallied, Chairman Jin makes his grand entrance after all. Against his doctor’s better judgment, he insisted on taking medication that would keep the bouts of delirium at bay for just a couple of hours. With Chairman Jin staring them down, everyone quickly throws their votes back to Do-joon instead of Young-ki.
After the meeting, Sung-joon tests Chairman Jin with a trivia question, clearly hoping to prove Chairman Jin isn’t in his right mind. Chairman Jin’s memory wavers in the middle of answering, and Do-joon quickly steps in to brush off the question and usher him away.
When they’re alone in the elevator (aside from a janitor), Chairman Jin explodes in anger and embarrassment that only gets worse when he loses control of his bladder. He freezes in mortification. Do-joon upends the janitor’s water bucket before she can see what’s happened and stoops down to clean the floor himself. It’s impossible to deny that Do-joon is the only person who actually cares about him, and Chairman Jin ultimately decides to alter his will while he still can.
Meanwhile, the investigation into who commissioned the Truck of Doom continues. Hyun-min produces proof that the painting given to the truck driver as compensation wasn’t the one Sung-joon took from her gallery, but rather a forgery. Chairman Jin’s underlings and Do-joon trace the counterfeit painting to its origin: Chairman Jin’s wife, who refused to see the company handed off to her stepson’s family instead of her own children.
Do-joon doesn’t tell Chairman Jin, but he figures it out on his own anyway. When Chairman Jin confronts Grandma, however, she discovers the truth about his mental state, and she uses that to her advantage. She takes him back home, where she can restrict access to him, and prepares to reveal his condition to the family and overturn Do-joon’s appointment as CEO. Do-joon, still one step ahead, challenges her with the proof that she ordered the murder attempt. If she reveals Chairman Jin’s secret, he’ll reveal hers.
Making that deal, however, means he has to lie to Min-young. And as she uncovers the truth herself, it becomes glaringly obvious that Do-joon is actively trying to hide it from her. Yes, he’s afraid of what could happen to Min-young if she becomes too much of a threat to the family, but he’s also bent on securing the CEO position for himself, and her investigation could ruin those plans.
The more he asks her to hold off on investigating, the more her disappointment in him grows. He swears he’ll stop asking for favors once he becomes CEO, but she doesn’t buy it. Eventually, she seems to give up on him entirely.
In the meantime, Do-joon needs to pass one more round of votes from Soonyang shareholders to be installed as CEO of the finance company. To establish himself, he sets about saving Soonyang Motors, which even Chairman Jin is all but ready to deem a total failure. And in true Do-joon fashion, he uses the 2002 World Cup to accomplish his goal.
To save Soonyang Motors, he needs the new Apollo compact car to sell like crazy. So he crafts a marketing campaign that associates those cars with feelings of hope and victory as the South Korean team unexpectedly advances all the way to the semi-finals. By the end of it, Apollo sales have skyrocketed into world-record territory.
But while Do-joon is en route to share the good news, Chairman Jin collapses — and he doesn’t recover. He does, however, cling to life while his will is read to the family. Only after Do-joon visits and quietly tells him the World Cup results (proving his predictions right once again) does Chairman Jin pass, as though he’d been waiting for that last confirmation.
As for the will’s contents, no one person is given total control of Soonyang’s assets. Instead, the shares are divvied up between them, and even Do-joon’s brother gets a plot of land. But Do-joon? He gets nothing at all.
No one is more shocked and confused than Do-joon himself, except perhaps Yoon-ki. He urges Do-joon to use the CCTV footage from Chairman Jin’s hospital room to prove Chairman Jin wasn’t in his right mind and annul the new will. Do-joon, disappointed that Yoon-ki isn’t so different from the rest of the family after all, and unwilling to expose Chairman Jin’s vulnerable moments, immediately asks Hang-jae to delete all the hospital footage.
But that comes back to bite him at the shareholders’ meeting. He’s accused of upsetting Chairman Jin in his final moments and giving him a fatal shock, which only the now-deleted footage could prove false. And then Hang-jae of all people lands the final blow by revealing that Do-joon expressly told him to delete the footage.
Do-joon is disqualified from the CEO position, but he’s not defeated. He convinces Chang-je, who’s now running for president, to campaign against the bill that allows Soonyang Financial Holdings to be formed in the first place. The bill and the finance company are struck down… and along with them, Chairman Jin’s reputation, as the whole country can see he tried to use loopholes to avoid hefty inheritance taxes.
Then, and only then, does Do-joon earn Chairman Jin’s final gift to him: a video from the day he altered his will. In it, he explains that he wants to push Do-joon to the point of desperation, because he knows Do-joon can and will do whatever it takes to win so long as his personal feelings don’t get in the way. Thus, Do-joon is only to receive this video once he’s thrown Chairman Jin himself under the bus to beat out the rest of the family.
Chairman Jin’s mind falters again near the end of the video, just as Hang-jae asks who Do-joon is to him. After a moment’s pause, Chairman Jin starts to cry and says simply that Do-joon is his grandson who takes after him, eventually smiling at the camera through his tears. It’s such a beautiful, cathartic moment, and Do-joon breaks down in sobs.
But there’s another gift waiting for him attached to this one: the very slush fund that got him killed when he (as Hyun-woo) went to retrieve it back in Episode 1. No one else in the family knows it exists, but it’s his for the taking. Exactly what he’ll do with it remains to be seen.
With Soonyang Financial Holdings scrapped, the fight for ownership of Soonyang becomes a scramble to gather the most shares. Dong-ki and Young-ki forge an alliance, but Dong-ki secretly plans to separate and start his own finance group through which to accumulate power and wealth. To do that, he needs a credit card company, and Do-joon just so happens to have one he’s looking to sell (he acquired it as part of the Apollo/World Cup campaign). Dong-ki can’t afford the price he names, so Do-joon oh-so-generously accepts Dong-ki’s 2% shares in Soonyang Corporation as collateral.
Of course, Do-joon knows that credit card debt in South Korea is about to hit a massive crisis. As debts and interest rates pile up, Soonyang Card runs out of cash and Dong-ki’s last-ditch effort to save it is to stop ATM cash-advance services, prompting (even more) customer outcry.
Young-ki takes it on himself to bail his brother and the company out, which means paying Dong-ki’s debt to Do-joon and getting those shares back. Do-joon charges him twice the original amount, both of them fully aware that those 2% shares make Young-ki the majority shareholder of Soonyang Corporation.
As the dust settles, so to speak, Do-joon reflects on the first time he lived through this debt crisis as Hyun-woo. His brother had fallen ill, and when his father had taken out a private loan to cover the hospital bills, Hyun-woo had started working night and day, running himself into the ground. In this life, Do-joon walks the same streets as Hyun-woo, but the presence or lack of generational wealth places them in completely different worlds.
You know, when Reborn Rich first started, if you’d told me I’d end up shedding tears at Chairman Jin’s passing, I doubt I’d have believed you. But if there’s one thing this week’s episodes made abundantly clear, it’s that the central relationship of this show — and its lifeblood — is the one between Do-joon and Chairman Jin.
As Hyun-woo, our protagonist looked up to Chairman Jin as an intangible source of inspiration. Like a celebrity or a long-dead historical figure. As Do-joon, he battled him first as an opponent and then an all-out enemy, but over time came to understand, respect, and even love him as a (grand)father figure. Their relationship has been as complex as Chairman Jin himself, and I’m curious to see how it will continue to drive Do-joon’s actions now that Chairman Jin is gone and we’re catching up to Hyun-woo’s time at Soonyang.
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Tags: Jo Han-chul, Jung Hye-young, Kim Jung-nan, Kim Nam-hee, Kim Shin-rok, Kim Young-jae, Lee Sung-min, Reborn Rich, Shin Hyun-bin, Song Joong-ki
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1 zitless
December 19, 2022 at 11:31 PM
Two things I loved in these episodes:
The video gift: when grandpa was trying to remember who Dong-ju was. It really is a testament of good acting when he finally did. You could see the light in his eyes when he said those words, like it was the greatest thing to happen to him.
No 2. When Dong-ju got paid back by Young-ki and Dong-ju made a statement that the money he used to pay back the loan to secure his position as Chairman could have actually saved Sooyang Card. So ultimately, it shows what disqualifies the children. They were only after the title of Sooyang, not the company and making it the best. That moment was very delicious to watch and I hope Young-ki realised why his father chose Dong-ju over him.
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zitless
December 20, 2022 at 12:59 AM
*Do-joon🤦🏾♀️
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2 Kurama
December 20, 2022 at 12:09 AM
I never really saw Do-Joon and the Grandpa being real ennemies. They always kept a relationship even if when Do-Joon made moves on Soonyang. They always respected each others.
It must be so hard to see yourself or someone who love declining like that. Grandpa was so strong, his mind was sharp but so his declin was hurtful to watch.
Lee Sung-Min will be missing in the last episodes. He was so good.
I was surprised to see Do-Joon with an engagement ring. They never showed their relationship except when it was connected to Soonyang... I understand it's not a romance drama but Hyeon-Min and Seong-Jun act more like a couple 😅
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Doppelganger
December 20, 2022 at 10:38 AM
I was surprised to see Do-Joon with an engagement ring. They never showed their relationship except when it was connected to Soonyang
Not just you. I (and everyone else) went ????? when he pulled out the ring. I forgot they were even dating.
I wanna know who decided that Seo Minyoung is a FL role. The writer? Director? Actress? It's one of the most underdeveloped FL roles I've seen. Also, why did Shin Hyunbeen take on this role? Yeah I know Lee Sungmin and Song Joongki are attached to the project, but did she not read the first 16 scripts and see that this role only gets ~8 lines in each episode?
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kdramacurious
December 23, 2022 at 6:17 AM
The engagement ring actually made me wonder if it's a setup so that we won't be completely blindsided if Do-jun decides to give up on Soonyang altogether and just take the slush fund, get married, and live a happy but largely uneventful life.
Because when you take:
(1) the video where Grandpa Jin tells him that he is worthy of Soonyang only if he's willing to throw everyone under the bus for the sake of the company
(2) Do-jun's disgust when he tells his father that Yoon-ki is worthy of being a part of the Jin family after all
. . . those two add up to the possibility (however small) that Do-jun would entertain the idea of just walking away from it all.
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Kurama
December 23, 2022 at 6:41 AM
It would be nice. But will he let his first character being killed?
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3 geminirat
December 20, 2022 at 12:19 AM
Thank you, @mistyisles, for the weecap! Just finished episode 14. I really love Do-joon's memory for remembering 'past' history, even though he should have been very busy at that time making a living for his family as Hyun-woo. To use all those memories as a guide in building Miracle Investment, too. I didn't understand why Do-joon was left out of grandfather's will but I think that's because he promised to buy Soonyang and make it better. If he had inherited the company like Sung-jun, he might not care for it the same way as he cares if he had paid for it with his hard work.
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4 Britney
December 20, 2022 at 1:37 AM
I cried during so many moments of these episodes.
I know someone who's slowly losing their loved one to Dementia and it's sad to see so I can imagine how devastating it must be for the person actually experiencing it. When Chairman Jin said "let me just be me for 2 hours", I felt that.
And not only was he going through his illness but the further insult to injury that he had absolutely no one in his family he could trust and rely on. Granted, he brought that on himself with the environment he raised them in and fostered but still, to be dependent on others and not having real people to trust is still a tough one.
I don't know where I saw it but someone totally called the matriarch being the one to have ordered the hit. That moment just made me think all these spouses really deserve each other. She was just as ruthless as her husband and then justifies it by saying it was for her family.
The moment between the mom and Do Jun's dad was another moment that made me teary eyed. It's a weird one; for years she had to take care of someone who was a walking reminder of infidelity and truthfully, not all/many people can do it yet for all intents & purposes, she tried to be as motherly to him as she could. Even if it was for appearances, she did her best and I liked that he acknowledged it and could kind of relate to her from a parental perspective. I even liked that he said that he made himself even more of a black sheep because he could see in her eyes how she felt under the surface. I know it wasn't fair or nice or right that a child had to put up with all the ostracizing or have the weight of adults' choices on their shoulders but for these people, it was the best they could do. That's why this is a weird one for me. I get it on some level but it's still sad and painful. Lesser folks would probably have handled everything WAY worse (Hwa Young for example).
The reaction to the will was an interesting one. People would've been mad if he had gotten anything and then they were suspicious why he didn't get anything. Which leads me to another moment that made me teary: the video will recording. The fact that he left him nothing at least in part because he had absolute faith in Do Jun's abilities and then how happy he was remembering Do Jun as the grandson who was most like him. Oh my heart!
So, we're coming up on whatever happened to Do Jun and I wonder who is going to be responsible for it. I'm also wondering what other real world events will be included or mentioned.
I didn't remember the granddaughter at all and now I'm wondering if her sole purpose is to be smarter than her parents.
And I didn't remember Seong Jun having kids.
And I'm confused about slush funds. See, I thought it was illegal but everyone seems so proud and open about having them as if it's part of the rich person starter pack.
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Islander north
December 20, 2022 at 9:28 AM
Can't get over how he makes respects his stepmother after she tried to kill his own child? Not to mention his father. WTH?
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Lwx
December 22, 2022 at 10:17 AM
Because he realized he was capable of doing a similar thing as her.
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5 gupse
December 20, 2022 at 1:51 AM
Besides the point of the plot, but it bothered me enough that I paused the episode a few times to do rough calculations:
How do the ages/timeline make sense at all? Particularly the age differences between family members. Given the ages of the grandkids in 1988, the eldest grandson has to be at least ~30. Chairman died at age 76 in 2002 according to voiceover. If Chairman's eldest son had the eldest grandkid early at say age 25, that would put Chairman's age at around 21 when he had his first kid, which is a bit ridiculous (he didn't do his army service etc? Mind you 21 in Korean age is 19 internationally). Or it's the other way around, Chairman had his kid at ~25 and eldest son had his kid at ~21, which is even more sketchy (son of a decently well-to-do businessman at this point).
Also, news bit said he led Soonyang Group for 32 years, so it was established in 1970. However, basically all the dialogue about the past, Soonyang's established dominance in '88, and Chairman's kids' lives growing up (as already privileged kids) imply Chairman has been a businessman for much longer. So the 32 years is only for **Soonyang Group**, not the original businesses/companies that allowed for him to form this group?
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gupse
December 20, 2022 at 1:53 AM
Ok, now that I have that off my chest LOL:
I will remember Lee Sung-min's performance here for a long time. Phenomenal and he will be missed. The relationship between Chairman and Do-jun was truly special and amazing to watch, chemistry off the charts. Like many others I also teared up at the video will.
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6 gadis
December 20, 2022 at 2:46 AM
We have to say goodbye to Grandpa this week, and I was surprised by how emotional I was with the whole ordeal. I didn’t like many of Grandpa’s decisions and we could all agree that he was a heartless and hard-to-please man most of the times, but I still winced at the way his children reacted to the news of his illness.
There was something so demeaning in the way everyone scooped down like a vulture the moment medical situation declawed the Chairman they always feared. It left me feeling pretty disgusted, even with all the horrible things I’ve seen them done all these eps. Do-jun might’ve been the one doing the hardest betrayal back when he still hid behind Se-hyun’s Miracle, but he was also brave enough to own up to his action and confront Chairman Jin face-to-face that despite his rage, his Grandpa couldn’t help but respect his savvy. That’s clearly not the situation this time around. Grandpa’s offspring only wanted to strip him bare in the most humiliating way possible, leaving him no dignity as a fellow businessman, and I loathed that.
I’m just glad that Do-jun was the one staying beside his Grandpa during this period. He understood the power of humiliation, how it cut through your sense of self like no other experience. He was also an old hand at handling betrayal, especially a cruelly personal one like Grandma being the instigator behind the murder attempt. His past life as Hyun-woo has prepared him to be the perfect confidante for the shaken Chairman, and once more, I marveled at the great irony life bestowed on these characters.
I always wondered what actually made Do-jun like Chairman Jin despite himself, and then the incident with Grandma put things into perspective. Among this messed up family, where everyone competed to act like two-faced person while backstabbing each other behind their polite smiles, Chairman Jin was refreshingly unapologetic about his less savory traits. He never pretended to be someone he wasn’t, and I think that’s something Do-jun could respect and actually found relieving.
Which was why I was so glad that Do-jun got to have that lovely closure with his Grandpa. Yes, the explanation behind his changed will was nice. I love the fact that while everyone speculated on him betraying even his favorite grandson, he was actually showing his love by not giving Do-jun anything. Because Grandpa respected him too much as a fellow businessman and trusted Do-jun’s ability to get the shares he need by himself to eventually buy Soonyang with his own hands. But it was that candid expression of love as he declared Do-jun as his most favorite grandson and that genuine laugh that left me teary. What a precious memory.
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gadis
December 20, 2022 at 2:47 AM
Now with Chairman Jin out of the picture, we can fully expect the succession war to devolve into dirty grabbing for power, and the Jin family didn’t disappoint. I could feel shivers down my spine at the realization that this was an almost exact rehash of Do-jun’s scheme back when Chairman Jin still tested him continuously without knowing Do-jun’s real goal. Aside from Grandma’s intention to take over the fight with Do-jun (which, in hindsight, was laughable because she was clearly unprepared for Do-jun’s layered schemes and ability to come up swinging despite the endless betrayals), Do-jun practically recycled the same strategies. There’s something chilling in knowing that history has a way to repeat itself, especially one that promised so much chaos and tragedy.
At first, it was kind of adorable how everyone still fell, hook line sinker, for Do-jun’s schemes and innocent act despite them already being victims of that for the past few years. But then it was also sobering to understand how their entitlement has blinded them to their own arrogance and stupidity. The way Do-jun play up Dong-ki’s greed to get a leg over his hyung, the way he stroke Yong-ki’s righteousness that he should be the real owner of Soonyang as the eldest child especially now that the Chairman isn’t there to obstruct his path, the way he used Chang-je’s ambition for political success and heroic image, even the way he used Hwa-young’s insecurities and resentment because she has truly turned into just a pretty garnish among the Jin family with no parents to shelter her anymore. Nothing was new, yet everything unfolded exactly as we predicted.
I should be celebrating this, yet it increasingly felt like Do-jun would be the one who eventually kill his future self as Hyun-woo. Especially with the revelation of Soonyang Micro slush fund being his. Is this tale actually a lesson about futile dreams? Or is this a warning that, like what Min-young said, even Do-jun himself would eventually lose because of his own greed like many of his enemies before him?
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Unaspirated
December 20, 2022 at 6:10 AM
"Aside from Grandma’s intention to take over the fight with Do-jun (which, in hindsight, was laughable because she was clearly unprepared for Do-jun’s layered schemes and ability to come up swinging despite the endless betrayals), Do-jun practically recycled the same strategies. "
I had a similar thought - that Grandma should stay out of this game because she clearly has no idea what she's doing. She left so many traces that a prosecutor with no special information was closing in on her, so of course Do-joon would be three steps ahead of her. She was so soundly outplayed. But I also loved that it led to what was probably her most authentic interaction with Yoon-ki ever, when he said he finally understood her.
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gadis
December 20, 2022 at 6:44 AM
I love that interaction with Yoon-ki. A very apt goodbye. It's humanizing them, made them both understandable, yet I could feel just how hard it was for both of them to acknowledge that.
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Canuckgirl
December 21, 2022 at 12:43 PM
Do Jun and Hyun-Woo did not exist in the first timeline. What I mean is, Do Jun was already dead when Hyun Woo joined the company. There is no time loop. The original material never explained how Hyun Woo transmigrated or why Fate put him in Do Jun's body. It was simply the mechanism for him to get his "revenge"
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7 Jingbee
December 20, 2022 at 2:50 AM
I literally stood up and clapped after these 2 scenes, both close-up of Lee Sung Min's face during the 1)elevator scene - you could actually see combination of rage, embarassment, self-pity , gratefulness and love for his grandson. Phenomenal acting.
And 2) the video will - so tragic but also heartwarming.
Have not watched Lee Sung Min in anything before but I am now a solid fan.
All the actors, even SJK but mostly the veteran actors are impressive as well. What an ensemble cast!
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pliplipli
December 20, 2022 at 8:10 AM
LSM is an incredible actor. I think most people will know him for misaeng among his television works, but after that he did "memory" where he played a lawyer that is diagnosed with Alzheimer. he was amazing.
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8 gadis
December 20, 2022 at 3:27 AM
Just throwing my theory out there.
I always wondered how the writer is going to explain the whole reincarnation/time-travel plot that got Do-jun to this position. But then, I also realized that with the story already chock full of interesting plot progression and character growth, I’m probably not going to be too upset by the lack of explanation (I’ve learnt my lesson about expecting too much from a fantasy plot in K-dramas).
And then I thought, what if this was never about anything fantastical? What if this tale was simply a long and elaborate visual critics of the dichotomy of the two polar opposite group, the rich and the poor? What if this was a thorough explanation on how broken the current system was? That if we, hypothetically, put a person with the same quality (knowledge, ability, tenacity, insight, and temperament) in two different lives, they would be hard-pressed to change their respective wealth status given the barrier from the broken system. That if we, hypothetically, put someone with hindsight and empathy for the poor in the rich group to improve the system somehow, being the lone hero inside the broken system was practically impossible with all the pressures existed, and even the hero eventually has to play by the skewed rules itself.
It’s kind of depressing.
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Midnight
December 20, 2022 at 4:07 AM
I see gadis, as always, getting the socio- economic layer of the story behind all the flashy fantasy and time-travel facade. Bravo chingu!
I'm kinda joking because I'm not watching this show yet, and I don't have a clue what you're trying talking about.
But your comment reminded me strongly of a chat we had on Grid, and how it should be watched as a social commentary and not a sci-fi fantasy.
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gadis
December 20, 2022 at 6:02 AM
Hahaha... Thank you?
Sometimes I just couldn't help being overly serious when the story is this meaty. Besides, what is fantasy if not an excellent tool to explore complicated themes?
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Midnight
December 20, 2022 at 8:51 AM
No seriously. I think you are completely right.
I'm waiting impatiently for this show to end airing so I can start it.
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pliplipli
December 20, 2022 at 8:16 AM
I don't expect an explanation for the time travel thing. for me this is like a magica realism story, where you just accept the little bits of magic in a real world story. I agree with you that, at the end of the day, this drama is trying to send a social message. it's really in line with other sucessful work in recent years (the biggest ones being parasite and round 6) so I'm not even surprised that is getting all the high ratings in korea (rich x poor exists in every culture because capitalism but this is also a very korean story with bits of nostalgia involved. everything that korean audience loves).
with that being said, I still want to know if there will be a reason to cast SJK as two character if they're not meant to be the same person. a lot of people have talked about how maybe hyunwoo is actually dongjoo, etc.... but if they're supposed to be two different people, from two different families and realities but that, at some point, are in contact with the same people, is a bit too much/confusing lol do we just ignore that the jin family has a high rank employee that just looks exactly like their deceased family member? or do we just ignore completely that its the same actor? they just wanted to maximize SJK's fee? lol this has been bothering me a lot and I would like an explanation lol
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Unaspirated
December 20, 2022 at 9:55 AM
I agree, I don't need an explanation for the time-travel/reborn bit. We sort of got as much of an explanation as I wanted this weekend anyway, when Seung-joon (that jerk) was talking to Hang-jae after he made it clear he was screwing him over. He said that if Hang-jae really wanted to have a stake in this company he served his whole life, all he would have to do is be born again. And of course, that's what actually happened to our hero. He never would have had a chance in this original life, so he was born again into a situation that could make a difference.
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Doppelganger
December 20, 2022 at 11:01 AM
And then I thought, what if this was never about anything fantastical? What if this tale was simply a long and elaborate visual critics of the dichotomy of the two polar opposite group, the rich and the poor?
I see where you're coming from, but the last 14 episodes of the show has barely skimmed sociopolitical commentary. What you're theorizing is territory that was ripe for the show to explore, and what I was hoping the show would explore, but RR didn't go that route. It has mainly shied away from tackling those questions and instead has focused on the makjang antics of the Jin siblings fighting Dojoon. The show has not given any time to exploring Dojoon vs Hyunwoo's internal struggle, his old life vs his new life, clash of old vs new values and ideals, hypercapitalism vs socialism, etc.
Wasted opportunity.
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maria0215
December 21, 2022 at 8:50 AM
I don't think the source material was ever about that.
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Canuckgirl
December 21, 2022 at 12:48 PM
The story was never about that and the first episode clearly stated what its thesis would be: Is it luck or hard work. It is clear there is a divide between Do Jun and the rest of the family. They have coasted through life due to their status as a chaebol, never having to struggle, thus never having to figure things out of the box, like their father or DJ has. They are dull in their thinking and satisfied with status quo as long as they line up their pockets. Do Jun, as an admirer of JYC eyed to change all that by taking away Soonyang from whom he deemed unworthy of the throne. Yes, you might say he is equally lucky because he is "rich", but unlike the rest, he is shrewd and passionate, showing he cares about the company. It is the same premise as the book/webtoon. It was never truly about a social critic in the sense you think
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9 Kafiyah Bello
December 20, 2022 at 5:18 AM
@candiland, you were right HUZZAH!!!
This is a special tribute to Lee Sung Min, my God what a truly truly SUBLIME performance. The elevator scene and the scene where he is redoing his will in the video, broke me. When Do Jun started crying, I was done. Just tears. These episodes were so so so Good. It has been a honest to goodness pleasure watching this drama, although it isn't over, what a ride it has been.
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asterell
December 20, 2022 at 9:56 AM
Shout out to @candiland, really. I was like "I need to login to DB" during the reveal
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candilane
December 27, 2022 at 1:59 AM
Thank you.. that ending though.. I was so upset.. I cant even with these writers..
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10 Unaspirated
December 20, 2022 at 6:01 AM
You’re so right, @mistyisles, Do-joon and Yang-cheol’s relationship has been so fascinating to watch as it evolves and becomes more complex. In lots of ways it follows the same path that a lot of children experience growing up - the realization that the older person is not a two-dimensional character, but a complicated, ambiguous, flawed person who doesn’t always have good reasons for things and doesn’t always act in a predictable way. But add to that layers of feeling like you're not really related to this person, that you take after this person the most, and that they are your greatest ally and biggest obstacle. It's been beautiful to watch.
The other relationship I find the most fascinating is Do-joon’s with Min-young. They don’t always get lots of screentime, but it’s always impactful. She’s his conscience in a lot of ways, and I think he feels drawn to her in part because of her strong moral compass when he’s mostly dealing with people who don’t have one at all. But that inevitably means that he’s going to disappoint her at every turn. I’m really interested to see what decisions he’ll make going forward. It’s clear that he cares about her, but not as much as getting his revenge, and she’s right that it won’t stop when he gets what he wants because then he’ll need to hold onto it. It’s Edmond Dantes all over again.
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11 asterell
December 20, 2022 at 10:31 AM
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy the show. But 14 episodes in, I don't know what the hero (anti-hero?) wants. Initially, I thought this was about revenge against those who wronged him, but it increasingly felt that he coveted Soonyang for its own sake, as opposed to acquiring to dissolve it. To me, his relationship with the chairman became too personal, that now it does feel like Dojun is a grandson in an inheritance battle as opposed to an outsider vying for control.
It is odd. I wondered at the end of ep 10 if Hyeonwoo is in fact patient 0, or if it's possible Dojun is really Dojun, and he was reborn poor before he was reborn rich. Otherwise, other than the few reflections about poverty, I don't understand why Hyeonwoo is necessary to Dojun's motivations. It's not like we got city hunter style takedowns for each sibling and Jin Seongjun.
Also side note, ive been super uncomfortable with the romance plot. Dojun is technically almost 60 years old..
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hacja
December 20, 2022 at 11:31 AM
Don't you think the message is (as @maria15 put it yesterday in a response to me on another thread) that Do Jun was becoming exactly like his grandfather, and your feeling/interpretation of Do Jun is completely correct? I think that's why @gadis is a little depressed by the show.
By the way, this theme is a reason why I really don't like the MESSAGE of the show as it stands now, prior to the last episodes, which might change things. I am not talking about the show itself, nor about Lee Sung Min's outstanding performance, JUST the message of the show. With the grandfather being by far the most charismatic figure, whose philosophy is fully expressed, and the actions and motivations of Do jun just to use his knowledge for clever ways to acquire shares and find out about and revenge his killing, this show actually celebrates inequality and economic injustice. Its wants you to believe that if suddenly made rich, everyone would immediately start sympathizing and behaving like the grandfather. Further, there's this assumption that a brilliant, greedy and empire building person can change history, but if you put a reformer into a similar place he'll just turn greedy and grasping, because that's the only way. So don't even try to reform things or support reformers, because even if they had the powers of time travel, they would just set up the same chaebol system.
But to my mind, this sense of inevitability is just not historically accurate. There are many ways to "change the flow" as the show terms it, beyond creating a new investment company.
Of course, we still have two episodes to go, so maybe the message of the show will change. We'll see if Do Jun makes real changes, is shot in the head again, or, in my preferred ending, quits at the peak of his powers and becomes the supportive husband of Min-Young.
The fact that this is my preferred ending, that I know is not going to happen, shows that I'm not at all uncomfortable with the relationship. As everyone who has time traveled can attest, going back into the past changes the rules of dating. At least he wasn't going out with his Mother!
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asterell
December 20, 2022 at 12:19 PM
How can Dojun be becoming like his grandfather if Jin Yang Cheol isn't his actual grandfather? Narratively, if JYC was some truly heinous person and Dojun, at the conclusion of his revenge, came to the realization that he became just as wicked - this I would understand. Instead, JYC is just pitiful by the end, and Dojun has become the actual loving grandson. It's just a little incongruent to me.
I don't necessarly agree with your point that this show says put a reformer in, and the system will stay just as corrupt. I thought Dojun accepted the inevitability of certain events repeating, so his actions adjusted for some historical consistency that's required by the rules of this time travel. In this sense, it's not entirely fair to say that even though Dojun should truly have been empathetic towards the poor, he became a money hungry savage. Though, he did become this too.
I'm in agreement with you about the ending. I think the show may lead Dojun down some "noble" resolution (such as dissolving Soonyang) to at least conclude with the right message. But, it won't be honest to what we've been watching until now.
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hacja
December 20, 2022 at 12:46 PM
Well, without being too literal about his actually grandfatherly relation, I think Do Jun comes to respect his vision and emulate it, which is what I'm arguing.
Obeying some sort of consistency of time travel, the show could very well have had Do Jun himself become a crusading prosecutor who would bring down the family, while still allowing Lee Sung Min to shine in his role. Or Dojun could have made more decisions that explicitly improved the social circumstances of Soonyang's workers. He did not--he just became a shrewder financial manipulator. I actually thought this decision made the show a little more boring, but that's because I'm not particularly fascinated by technical business transactions.
But even if everyone else found this fascinating, as it is clear many people did, one thing this plot direction definitely did was push the show in a very conservative direction in terms of social criticism. But of course, I doubt either the writers or any of the viewers wanted the show to convey any social criticism, so that's fine.
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
December 20, 2022 at 12:58 PM
It's one of the reasons I haven't been around the recaps, everyone acting like this is some of revenge drama. If Do-jun wanted revenge, he'd bankrupt them and destroy the company.
He believed he was just as "good" (or in this case as bad) as them and wanted the opportunity to prove that he could be just as calculating, brutal and manipulative.
From the beginning, this show's premise was that only birth separated them: that you can either be the ruler or the ruled, and that every human is basically the same underneath their accidents of birth. It never questions that there should be a ruling class, merely that anybody born into it would behave in precisely the same way.
It's been hugely conservative from day one.
hacja
December 20, 2022 at 1:26 PM
@leetennant One interesting thing about this show for me is Soo Joong Ki's role, given that two of his previous starring roles have 1)glorified the necessity of constant military intervention and 2)glorified the role of brutal violence in stopping violence. I even noticed that he had a cameo in Little Women, a show I haven't completely watched yet but I read your very smart analysis of it 3) glorifying greed, something I can see in it even from the beginning episodes. Obviously SJK does not choose his roles in terms of social justice and an optimistic view of humanity's potential for good!
asterell
December 20, 2022 at 2:35 PM
you are right. He is filthy rich and profited off crises, but except the 9/11 donation, he made no effort to improve conditions for workers or consumers generally. In a way, this is inexcusable, only slightly mitigated by the whole 'he got killed by them' thing. But then, this isnt a revenge drama, so it's just dispiriting.
@leetennant it's only a slight difference, but I dont think this drama is saying anybody born into the chaebol system would behave the same way. Instead, i thought it was critiquing chaebols who look down on others by pointing out that good fortune at birth is what separates them, made clear by Dojun ruining Hwayoung when given the means. Observationally equivalent to your point, but I didnt think the show wanted to comment on the general human condition.
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
December 20, 2022 at 2:47 PM
I mean this week they had Do-jun's "father" literally tell his stepmother that her behaviour was natural and understandable and that "now he was a father" he respected her choices.
This is a woman who tried to murder his son.
I'm afraid we're in mileage varies territory on this point because to me the show is definitely saying the system is natural and inherent and the only question is where in the system you get born.
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
December 20, 2022 at 2:32 PM
Also Do-jun shot himself in the head?
Didn't we already know this?
I mean not know know as in we knew for sure that's what happened but this was strongly implied from the first week and this week Do-jun got the slush fund that he was killed over. It's his.
It was Do-jun who ordered his own death because he was sniffing around the slush fund his grandfather gave to him. I thought it was pretty clear this week the show was confirming this.
The slush fund is Do-jun's. He's about to recruit his desperate self into the company. And then he will eventually kill himself to start the time loop that leads to this outcome.
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gadis
December 20, 2022 at 6:00 PM
If this was really the case (and I believed it is), what would that mean for this drama? If the poor Hyun-woo was the real beginning of this drama, is this actually a warning tale about the futility of dream, of wanting to change one's fortune in life? That would be a depressing life lesson.
But if rich Do-jun was the original beginning, is this a harsh cautionary tale about greed, and how it eventually would kill yourself? After all, greed is what felled all of Do-jun's enemies among the Jin family. Maybe not even him was exempt from this.
But the most important thing is, is there an actual end for this repeating purgatory-like tale?
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
December 20, 2022 at 6:36 PM
tbh @gadis I found this so self-evident from week 1 that I'm hoping I'm wrong and it's not true.
But if it is true, then in some ways I think this show's messages are for a domestic Korean audience and trying to puzzle them out means we'll probably miss the mark. I have speculated that this show is part of a wave of nostalgia that is trying to reclaim modern Korean history for the ordinary Korean. In that case, the message would be that this history is the history of everyone: rich or poor, powerful or not powerful.
The aspiration then becomes not to change the system but to succeed within it. And this is possible - in fact the entire universe will move itself for you. In this case, the universe itself delivered Samsung the future knowledge it needed to carve out its place. So there's a sense of Samsung's - and Korea's - manifest destiny. And that destiny is the destiny of every Korean, not just those lucky enough to be born wealthy.
This is entirely speculation and possibly nonsense. But those are some of my thoughts as we head towards the end.
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Canuckgirl
December 21, 2022 at 12:57 PM
It was always about whether being a golden spoon is enough of a qualification to gain the key to the empire when you haven't done anything to deserve it. It was always about the revenge of a grunt showing these spoiled brats how to run a company. The book is far more straightforward about it. Also, there are no time loop in it, none whatsoever
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12 Lonestar Girl
December 20, 2022 at 12:04 PM
I have nothing new to add except that I'm glad there are only two episodes left. For me, the show will not be the same without Lee Sung Min. Chairman Jin's interactions with Do-joon were the show’s driving force.
I read an interview with LSM that called him the "King of Bromance," and he said he's more suited for bromance than romance. With his brilliant acting skills, he could do anything he puts his mind to, but based on Misaeng and Reborn Rich, he might be right. Whatever the case, he's incredible. The subtleties he brought to the Chairman's character as he aged throughout the episodes were brilliant.
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13 Ezichi Onwuka
December 20, 2022 at 1:55 PM
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14 Mychoice
December 21, 2022 at 12:05 AM
I have a question why does ceo oh say that his company lost 2.3 trillion won because jyc didn't leave anything to dojun in inheritance. Also what Chairman had to leave for dojun and how would it have benefitted him. Not making much sense. What was chairman supposed to leave for him and how it would have helped me. And honestly how many shares does chairman actually have in the grouo that he can gift the company to his descendants.
Secondly, ceo oh again telling dojun that they have now 10 billion won in slush fund thanks to dongki's daughter, what does it mean?
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15 Toodlepip
December 21, 2022 at 3:13 AM
What a fantastic performance by LSM. The complexity of the relationship between him and DJ was really well portrayed. His final lesson for DJ was superb. Leaving DJ out of his will resulted in us seeing g DJ lose his composure for the first time and it was fantastic to see. DJ, despite having all the future knowledge that he has, still cannot control the vagaries of human nature. I love it and it keeps me on the edge of my seat.
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