googling "watch awaiting 2014" did it for me, though i guess there could be slight geographic differences in results. gl!

on my fan wall if you're still interested !

Lol and thanks @pakalanapikake. AR is just starting to appear on my radar.
Speaking of noodles one of my early kdramas (#8) was MASTER: GOD OF NOODLES. I am a M: GON survivor.
As noted I am a big Yum Hye-ran fan.
Looking at the synopsis maybe YHR’s character will be a combination on Kim Mi-kyung’s Jo Min-ja from HEALER and her own (although nicer) Nam Soon-ja from LAWLESS LAWYER. I look forward to hearing her belt out her famous “Yah!”

@marcusnyc20 bong-soo,

I'm not at all surprised by your visualization of the noodle chef as a mash-up of KMK's ajumma from HEALER and another of YHR's characters. I thought it would have been Lord No's lawyer wife Hong Ja-young in WHEN THE CAMELLIA BLOOMS rather than Her Honor the Mayor's nasty assistant in LAWLESS LAWYER. Lawyer Hong was such a memorable character. Even when she wasn't trying to be threatening (or was she?!?), she was threatening. Is it too much to hope for a cameo from Oh Jung-se? Dang, he's fantastic in IT'S OKAY TO NOT BE OKAY. Ditto for CAMELLIA, STOVE LEAGUE, and BEAUTIFUL MIND.

As for MASTER–GOD OF NOODLE, the revenge theme scared me off. I think I may have watched the first episode and read Saya's excellent ep. 1 only recap. But I was gearing up to watch OH HAE-YOUNG AGAIN if it hadn't yet started. It was my first live-watch here at DB, and I couldn't handle more than one show at a time.

@pakalanapikake, @wishfultoki, @marcusnyc20

I'd fight JB for Park Hae-il haha. He is fantastic! Film actors do sageuk like no one's business and the directors demands perfection.

Only "War of the Arrows" and "Cruel Palace" actually included the native language of Manchuria. Such a rare treat :).
I'm waiting for another action sageuk from director Kim Han-min or another compelling sageuk from Lee Joon-ik.
Lee loves casting Park Jung-min. If you watch him in Lee's films I think you'd love him. He is the first to remind me of Jo Jung-suk. He is soo good, a real gem. He is not well known in dramaland but the movie critics loves him.

I love love love Princess Man but I just can't re-watch it. I'd recommend it to friends though.
Moon's challenge was always her sageuk speech. She did well in WOTA but Painter and PM she did struggle a little bit but only in the beginning.

Did any of you watch Jung Kyung-ho in "Ja Myung Go?"
I'd recommend it even though it drags a bit in the beginning.
Goguryeo order:
1. Jumong
2. Kingdom of the Wind
3. Ja Myung (Prince Hodong - Moo-hyul's son ).
Moo-hyul was likable in "Kingdom of the Wind" but not here. You'll get to see his bloodthirsty and cruel side which is much closer to his reputation in history.

Shilla lucked out in history because it's people actually wrote and kept historical records.
I've always been fascinated with Goguryeo though. It's a shame there isn't enough historical records on the super power of the 3 kingdom era.
Shilla had to ally with a foreign country to take down Goguryeo but in reality Goguryeo's demised was from the inside.

I'd love to see more 3 kingdom era sageuks and even Goryeo. I'm so sick of Joseon and it's mostly fusion because it's cheaper to make.

Just popping in to say I second your request @kiara for more 3 Kingdoms dramas! Like I'll beg if I have to. (Or one day write my own if still nobody listens lol)

*Will come back to read this whole discussion later*

@kiara I tried JA MYUNG GO precisely for Jung Kyung-ho, but I was so bored by the first few episodes that I dropped it. Maybe I should try again?

Otherwise, looking at my trusty sageuk encyclopedia, if Ja Myung Go doesn't work for me the next in line is KIM SU RO. I haven't watched any dramas set in Gaya, except of course KING'S DAUGHTER SOO BAEK HYANG.

In case you're interested @sicarius @marcusnyc20, this is my "encyclopedia": https://thetalkingcupboard.com/resources/sageuk-timeline/ I think @pakalanapikake first pointed me towards it. The list of Three Kingdom dramas is appallingly short compared to Joseon :(

I'm really biased when it comes to Park Ki-woong, because I loved to see him in WAR OF THE ARROWS even as a despicable baddie. Manchurian sounded so different and intriguing.

@kiara July 17, 2020 at 12:51 AM
After listening to this podcast, I can just imagine you arm wrestling JavaBeans over Park Hae-il. ROFLMAO!
https://www.dramabeans.com/2013/07/dramabeans-podcast-17-part-1/

I was captivated by Lee Jun-ik's THE KING AND THE CLOWN, and loved his satire in ONCE UPON A TIME IN A BATTLEFIELD and BATTLEFIELD HEROES. THE THRONE / SADO, and BLADES OF BLOOD were gripping.

Thanks for the pointer to Park Jung-min. The only productions I've seen him in so far are the KBS DRAMA SPECIAL SERIES: ADOLESCENCE MEDLEY w/ Kwak Dong-yeon, and the movie UNFORGETTABLE. I'll keep my eye out for him. ;-)

Since my pre-ARTHDAL marathon of JUMONG and KINGDOM OF THE WINDS, I've been intending to watch PRINCESS JA-MYUNG as it's the next chapter in Goguryeo history. Just haven't gotten to it. Have to finish CRUEL PALACE first. Have been dreading Gwi-in Jo's upcoming campaign against Crown Princess Minhoe, which made me put it on the back burner a couple of months ago. But I'm getting the itch to return to it.

It's interesting that in the folktale of Prince Hodong and the Princess of Nakrang, the self-sounding warning drum was paired with a flute. It sounds like the one in THE KING: ETERNAL PPL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Hodong_and_the_Princess_of_Nakrang

I can believe that King Daemushin was a ruthless, cruel dude. Consider what he and his father went through at the hands of his rivals in East Buyeo and their Chinese overlords. He also had to contend with the treachery of his alleged tribal partners in Jalbon, as well as incursions from China. He couldn't have achieved Goguryeo's territorial expansion by being a nice guy – although Song Il-kook's portrayal made him a very sympathetic character. It will be interesting to see Jung Kyoung-ho (and Yeo Jin-goo) as Hodong. PRINCESS JA-MYUNG appears to be the former’s only sageuk role.

I see a bunch of reliable veteran actors in the cast. Any idea as to why the ratings were so low? Even during its head start of 11 weeks prior to QUEEN SEONDEOK's premiere in the exact same time slot on MBC on 5/25/09, PRINCESS JA-MYUNG had already peaked at 11.5% in week 4, and by week 8 had subsided into single digits (aside from one last hurrah the same day QSD premiered). Then it fizzled into oblivion. It sounds as if you liked it, so it must have had some redeeming value. I don't usually pay much attention to ratings, but this truly puzzles me.
https://wiki.d-addicts.com/Ja_Myung_Go/Episode_Ratings
https://wiki.d-addicts.com/Queen_Seon_Deok/Episode_Ratings

I’m with you about the dearth of Goguryeo historical records. It speaks to the incessant warfare of the period. I’ve been fascinated with Gwanggaeto the Great’s stele, but have also been alarmed by the revisionist claims about him and his kingdom that have been made by China.

Here’s to more pre-Joseon sageuks – hopefully with Lee Joon-gi after FLOWER OF EVIL. ;-)

@sicarius
Please join us anytime.
Maybe we could all watch an old 3 Kingdoms era drama together or wait for your story :).
I can't write a coherent story even if my life depends on it.

@wishfultoki I have that blog page bookmarked already! Thanks! haha

@kiara- oh I would love to! Honestly I was thinking about asking what 3K sageuks you guys actually recommend, of our limited supply. I'm always a bit uncertain as to where to start with older sageuks. Especially because all the good ones require more attention to watch than average.

Story wise- well anything I write in that period will take an enormous amount of research so I won't share any of my ideas
just yet, but there are little seedlings growing in my Story Incubation House lol.

"bearded geezers in gats"

The fakest backstabbers on planet earth, especially when it includes "Jeon-ha please kill us."

If only one, just one Joseon king would say "OK off with your heads" no one will ever say that ridiculous fake statement ever again.
It would also save us from rolling our eyes at every court meetings.

I want to know who started it so I can petition for his wish to be granted, dug him up and behead him Yeonsangun style lol.

This is a testament that Joseon sageuks have driven me absolutely nuts.

@kiara, cc: @sicarius,
@marcusnyc20 bong-soo, @wishfultoki,

*In best Jonathan Quayle Higgins III, VC voice*

Oh--My--Gawd!

Kiara has done gone menboong / mento after hearing too many "Jeon-ha" rants by the cats in the gats. Quick! Head her off at the pass before she dives off the Sageuk Cliff Of Non-Doom. We'll all get hernias hauling her back up to the top.

She's now channeling Yeonsangun and running around with a sword.

*hides in closet*

I hope she spares the cast of KING MAKER / WIND, CLOUDS, RAIN. I'm tuning into the live stream in an hour, and it would be a pain if she bumps off the braying idiots at court before Heungseon Daewongun exacts his vengeance on the Andong Kims and everyone who ever looked cross-eyed at him. Pfft.

*peeks out of closet*

Pssst. Kiara. Hang loose, eh? Take care the body -- even if Joseon Kdramas have driven you off your trolley. Aja aja, hwaiting! ;-)

Hello Pakalanapikake! Been a while. I wonder whether you remember me now😆
Went to your fanwall concerned after seeing Pickle saying that you've been MIA for a while. Really hope you are ok!🙏
That's how I came across this comment, and omg, that's what happened? I've been wondering why there seems to be no more quality long and serious Sageuks anymore, turns out they've put a restriction!?😱
Aiyoo Korea, you've had so much potential but as always you nip it in bud! Totally unrelated but Life is Beautiful comes to mind, which paved the perfect path for healthy LGBTQA representation in kdramas but no one dared to take it after that! I imagine the path has now succumbed to wilderness, and once in a while only a gold-panning fan who dares to explore will be lucky person to experience the El Dorado that is LIB.
Sigh.
I've been feeling less and less connected with Sageuks these days, and all the DB issues and me joining the beanie discord combined atop that, I got succumbed to C dramaland or to be specific, C historical drama land as a result. Hence I've been MIA in DB for a while.
Korea, while you've been denying yourself China has left you in dust even with all their censorship chains shackling and slowing them down! They do insane research and getting better and better at it, air 2 episodes per day and 3 days per week, too much 50+ ep dramas to keep track with tbh, and for like 5 crappy dramas there will always be 1 decent period/costume drama. Which is still more than what could be said for Sageuks.
I wish Korea picks itself up😔

@marcusnyc20 bong-soo, cc: @kiara, @wishfultoki,

Aw, shucks, uri esteemed fanboy. Just pull up a rock and throw in your two cents' worth, too. I didn't know beans about sageuks until I started watching them and reading whatever I could find on their historical background. Knowledgeable recappers and commenters on Soompi and here at DB kindly shared their insights and pointed me in the right direction. I just enjoy shooting the breeze with fellow Sageuk Geeks. You're one of them. ;-)

I'm like young Obi Wan to @kiara's Yoda and @pakalanapikake's Qui Gon 😂.

Sageuk Geeks United is one of the reasons I'm still hanging around DB actually.

@wishfultoki,

LOL! I had to look up Qui-Gon Jinn. So embarrassing. I avidly watched the first 3 STAR WARS flicks when they were released, but didn't really connect with the later ones. That 16-year span between the release of RETURN OF THE JEDI and THE PHANTOM MENACE, the first part of the prequel trilogy, was too long a stretch for me. I think you've got me confused with someone else. How about we swap, and you be Qui-Gon and I'll be an acolyte? Seriously, methinks you've watched more sageuks than I have. ;-)

@wishfultoki

I'm pretty sure I've learned more from you and @pakalanapikake.

You are Yoda and I'm just baby yoda lol.
I really appreciate your contribution here Toki. I can't write like you do.
https://www.dramabeans.com/2019/12/2019-year-in-review-a-sageuk-for-every-season/
I hope everyone here will read your creative and insightful article.

Lol you three fighting over who knows the least just proves @marcusnyc20's point lmao.

@wishfultoki,
Thank you for identifying this piece. I know I've heard it somewhere, I just cannot recall where. It is indeed a creepy-sounding piece, and I was sure I'd heard it in IT'S OKAY TO NOT BE OKAY. Color me paranoid. ;-)

This performance is noteworthy for its use of the "glass harmonica," which has nothing to do with the reed instrument aka "harp" beloved of blues musicians. It produces ethereal, shimmering tones. Benjamin Franklin invented a treadle-powered version with 37 glass bowls nested on a rotating spindle and played with fingertips moistened with water or dusted with chalk. This was a major departure from the earlier "glass harp" consisting of sets of tuned goblets filled with varying amounts of water which were also played with wet fingertips.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_harmonica#Franklin's_armonica