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Arthdal Chronicles: Episode 5

Though he’s worshiped as Arthdal’s hero and greatest warrior, our anti-hero, Tagon, desperately seeks acknowledgement from his father. But his father despises Tagon, and we learn that fear underlies that hatred. Our hero from the faraway southern lands of Iark, Eunseom, finally confronts Tagon in attempts to save his tribe, and he unintentionally learns a lethal secret of Tagon’s. When all hope seems lost, Eunseom realizes that this lethal secret can be his lifeline.

   
EPISODE 5 RECAP

Tagon opens the door to confront his enemy, and Eunseom tightens his grip on his knife. The moment Eunseom sees Tagon’s weapon, Tagon attacks but targets the roped-up hostage — his father. But Tagon sees the face of the victim, and his smile drops when he realizes it’s not Sanung.

Before Tagon arrived, Sanung predicted that Eunseom would gain nothing because Tagon wants his father dead. When Sanung is killed, Eunseom would be framed as the murderer, and he will never save his people. Lo and behold, Sanung was right about Tagon, and he steps out of the room to face his son.

While meeting the gods in the smoke ceremony, Asa Ron receives an update that Tagon went to “save” his father alone. Mihol also receives this information, and he immediately gets moving, knowing that Sanung is in danger.

In the marketplace tower, Eunseom tells Sanung to keep his promise. We see that Sanung had recognized Eunseom’s necklace and identified him as Asa Hon’s son. As the Union leader, Sanung promised to release the Wahan tribe because the Arthdal people are indebted to Eunseom’s mother.

Tagon seethes that his father seems to find a lifeline in any situation, and Sanung tells his son that the damning prophecy has come true. Eunseom demands that the Union leader keep his promise, but Sanung is focused on rebuking his son, who partnered with Asa Ron to plot his demise.

Sanung accuses Tagon of attempting to kill his mother and now his father, but Tagon defends his actions, claiming that he was trying to survive. Sanung shakes his head and says that Tagon should have left Arthdal sooner. In a brief flashback, we see young Tagon begging to stay in Arthdal and pitching an idea to kill them (the Neanthals?) all.

Getting impatient, Eunseom lifts his knife and orders Sanung to announce the release of the Wahan people. Tagon says that Eunseom will not get a response because he knows nothing about Sanung. Instead of keeping his word with Eunseom, Sanung prepares to announce Tagon’s attempted murder of his father and knows that the Arthdal people will not forgive Tagon for these actions.

Just before Sanung opens the windows to make the announcement, Tagon falls to his knees to beg for forgiveness. Outside, the Wahan people wonder if Eunseom has really come to save them. They seem cautiously optimistic, but Dalsae — always the realist — says that if anything goes wrong, Eunseom will be punished.

Sanung looks astonished by Tagon’s acknowledgement of his sins and plea for mercy. Eunseom watches this interaction with zero context and doesn’t quite know what to do (ha). Tagon pleads that his father take his hand and embrace him, as he did with young Tagon years ago.

After failing to choke his young son to death, Sanung had embraced his son and apologized. In the present, Sanung says that his failure to kill Tagon was his biggest mistake and vows not to make that same mistake again. But Tagon argues that the circumstances have changed and tries to convince his father that their partnership will extinguish the Union’s suspicions about their contentious relationship, and the Arthdal will chant for both Sanung and Tagon.

A powerful persuader, Tagon acknowledges that Sanung endured the consequences of saving his son the first time but assures him that this time, he’ll be blessed with the consequences. He adds that his mystical abilities have been confirmed, so Sanung also has an upper hand against Asa Ron.

Eunseom interrupts Tagon’s plea and demands that Sanung keep his promise to free the Wahan people. Gripping his knife, Tagon threatens Sanung not to abandons his son, and Eunseom bluffs that he will defend Sanung. In his head, Eunseom wonders if he could really stand a chance against Tagon, and Tagon also notes that Eunseom is quicker and stronger than most. One misstep, and Tagon’s slaughter of his father will become public.

Sanung suspiciously asks Tagon how he could trust him, and Tagon reminds Sanung that they share their greatest weakness. Tagon leverages this shared weakness as the reason for their partnership and reaches out his hand. Sanung looks tempted but then notices the readied knife in Tagon’s other hand. His eyes dart between Tagon and Eunseom, and then he runs for the window.

Eunseom and Tagon both pounce, stripping Sanung away from the window. In a split second, Tagon pushes Eunseom aside and slices his father’s throat. Sanung grips his neck and leans on Tagon as he relays his final words, “I’m sorry. You were pitiful then and still are now, but I should have killed you initially.”

Tagon agrees that Sanung should have killed him when his was young and powerless, and then he lets his dead father fall to the ground. He thinks to himself, “I did it. I did it, Taealha.” Eunseom looks shocked.

In the sacred cave, Asa Ron sees the blasting fire and sense that something has happened. Mihol rushes to the marketplace and wonders why Sanung hates his son so much.

Tagon laughs at a numb Eunseom and his naïve plan to trade the Union leader for his people. Belitting Eunseom’s efforts, Tagon says that Eunseom will not be able to save his tribe because he knows nothing about nations and power. Eunseom threatens to tell everyone that Tagon killed Sanung, but Tagon doubts that the people will believe him.

Eunseom asks about the fate of his Wahan people, and Tagon smirks as tells Eunseom that the Wahan tribe will be massacred. Triggered, Eunseom attacks Tagon, but he’s easily thrown down by the skilled warrior. Tagon acknowledges that Eunseom is special, that he has exceptionally quick vision, but he also says that there’s more than what you see.

Tagon attacks Eunseom and nearly stabs him, but Eunseom avoids the blade and quickly jumps out of the tower. Before Tagon follows him, he notices something below and stops his pursuit.

Outside, Danbyeok orders the Arthdal soldiers to charge into the tower. With Moobaek still not present, Danbyeok holds the authority to order the army, so the Arthdal soldiers and Tagon’s warriors burst into top of the tower. There, they find Tagon grieving over his dead father, and Danbyeok looks stunned.

Tagon carries his dead father down the tower and convincingly grieves over Sanung’s dead body. Mihol watches Tagon and seems to suspect that Tagon could be behind Sanung’s death. Asa Ron also arrives, and Tagon glances at him. Then, Tagon announces that a lowly dujeumsaeng killed Sanung and ran away.

The Arthdal people yell for the punishment of the Wahan tribe, but Tanya looks more relieved that Eunseom is alive. While Eunseom rides away on Helper, the Arthdal people stone and beat the shackled Wahan tribe. We see a glimpse of Tagon’s smile as the Arthdal people misdirect their anger, and Asa Ron also wonders if Tagon is the real suspect.

Eunseom rolls off Helper, who then proceeds to run off without him. In the dark, Eunseom hears the echoes of the Wahan tribe’s cries as they’re beaten by the Arthdal people. Eunseom curls up against a tree and covers his ears, but the images and the cries continue to flash through his mind. He remembers Mother Choseol’s question about whether he would be auspicious or ominous for the Wahan tribe.

As Eunseom cries in anguish, he also remembers Tagon stating that the Wahan tribe would be massacred. He agonizes over his failure to save the Wahan people and breaks a rock to make a sharp weapon. He holds the weapon at his own throat, but he’s unable to kill himself. Eunseom then notices something on his sleeve and jumps up. He pats all over his body and can’t seem to solve his confusion.

The Daekan warriors drag away the dead Wahan people and complain that the Arthdal people don’t know the value of these slaves. Tanya looks shocked to see another one of her tribe members being brutally beheaded, and she silently thinks, “Mother Choseol, you knew nothing. The Great White Wolf knew what kind of place this was. We shouldn’t have come here. We’re done, everything is done, Wahan is done.”

But Eunseom disagrees. He looks at his sleeve and knows that the marks (presumably blood) don’t belong to him. It must be Tagon, and Eunseom finds a newfound hope to save his people.

Tagon lays down his father to send him off, and he sincerely wishes his father a peaceful departure. When he returns home, he’s met with an unexpected attack from a woman going for his throat. It’s Taealha’s M.O., and Tuak jumps up in alarm when they get wrapped up in each other.

Taealha seems happy to see Tagon intact and teases Tuak for predicting that Tagon would be crawling back with his slit ankles. As she pours herself a drink, Tagon solemnly reports that his father has passed away. She approaches Tagon, and upon seeing his tearful and sad eyes, she realizes that Tagon killed his father.

Taealha holds Tagon as he cries on her shoulder and comforts him. When they pull apart, Taealha kisses Tagon, and he kisses her back. As they make out, Tuak awkwardly flees the room to give them privacy.

Eunseom returns to Chaeeun’s home, where Doti happily greets him. Chaeeun pushes him against a wall and asks if he killed Sanung. Eunseom doesn’t respond and demands to know where Tagon is, and when they start to raise their voices, Doti holds both of their hands to calm them down. Eunseom responds that he didn’t kill Sanung, which implies that Tagon did, and he stresses the importance of finding Tagon because he’s found a way to save the Wahan people.

In bed, Taealha asks Tagon why he let the dujeumsaeng (Eunseom) run away. He says that he couldn’t run after him, and Taealha wonders why. She remembers the purple blood marks on his clothes and uncovers the sheets to reveal the cut on his leg. She asks if this was the dujeumsaeng’s deed.

Chaeeun tells Eunseom that nobody in Arthdal will believe him and doubts that he could save the Wahan tribe now. She tells him that the Arthdal people call his kind “dujeumsaeng,” meaning animals that walk on two feet and can’t fly, like chickens. She disparages his attempts to meet Tagon — let alone keep his life — and insults him, calling him an animal who can’t think.

Eunseom reveals that he discovered Tagon’s secret — something that could destroy him. He responds to her insults by claiming that he can think. While he may know nothing about Arthdal, he’s been going to excruciating lengths to think about how to save his people.

Chaeeun asks to know Tagon’s secret, and Eunseom thinks back to his fight with Tagon. He managed to slice Tagon’s leg with his knife and wiped the knife on his sleeve before jumping back in the fight. The blood on the knife was purple, and Eunseom belatedly noticed this. Now, he knows that Tagon is an Igutu.

Taealha urgently asks Tagon if the dujeumsaeng knows his secret. Tagon isn’t sure, but knowing the gravity of this secret, Taealha implores him to remember whether Eunseom saw his blood. Tagon remembers noticing the cut on his leg right after Eunseom ran away. He scrambled to tie up his injury and collected Eunseom’s weapon just before Danbyeok discovered him mourning Sanung’s death.

Tagon looks concerned and tells Taealha that the fate of his secret depends on whether Eunseom saw the blood in the short period of their scuffle. At Chaeeun’s safehouse, Eunseom tightly grips the sharp rock, cutting his hand and covering the rock with purple blood. He looks at his sleeve cloth and thinks, “This is how we meet — two sons of monsters.”

Moobaek finds his way to the sacred caves of the White Mountains to seek the wisdom of Asa Sakan, the spiritual leader among the mystics. She seemed to expect his arrival and expresses frustration with the god’s desires. Moobaek’s vision blurs as he tries to speak with Asa Sakan, and they sit down to discuss the three heavenly objects that created the world.

Asa Sakan asks if Moobaek knows of these objects, and Moobaek correctly identifies them as the sword, bell, and mirror. Asa Sakan says that these same objects will also end the world: “A sword to cut the world, a bell to ring to the world, and a mirror to reflect the world — these three objects will end the world.”

According to Asa Sakan, these three objects appeared together 20 years ago, and yesterday, five stars aligned and a comet appeared to crash into the biggest star. Moobaek asks what this means, and Asa Sakan interprets these signs to mean that a son murdered his father in Arthdal. The son will face these three heavenly objects as he carries on the world.

Asa Sakan advises Moobaek to help this son; otherwise, the world will end. Moobaek asks what the “end of the world” means, and Asa Sakan says that the human world will end. She explains that the Asa people communicated with the gods to unite humans. If the world ends, these humans will return to living like animals.

Fighting his dizziness, Moobaek stands up and asks if the Asa god and Risan are headed south, and Asa Sakan confirms this. He asks if it’s possible that the gods are headed past the Great Black Wall and into Iark. Asa Sakan says that this is possible and wonders why he’s asking. Moobaek points to the carved relic in the shrine and asks if it belonged to the Great Mother, Asa Sin.

As Moobaek stumbles out of the cave, we hear Asa Sakan’s response: The carved relic in the White Mountains is a replica, as Asa Sin took the original relic and disappeared. She claimed that no one knows where the original is. The replica did not have a backside because that wasn’t known to them, but Moobaek sees that the original that he fetched from Iark does have markings on the back.

Danbyeok rallies forces to hunt down the dujeumsaeng who supposedly killed Sanung and vows to get revenge for his father. Meanwhile, Taealha brings Tagon his outfit for Sanung’s death rites and tries to make light conversation about the beautiful clothing, but Tagon still looks distressed about his secret.

Taealha sits next to Tagon and shares her thoughts about this dujeumsaeng, who may know his secret. She assures him that even if the dujeumsaeng saw Tagon’s purple blood, he would not understand what it means. Plus, the Iark people are from the south, so they would have never even encountered a Neanthal. Tagon smiles and thanks Taealha for easing his concerns.

Continuing her pep talk, Taealha crouches in front of Tagon and says that he’s destined to be a god. That’s the reason why she chose him, and today, he will be taking his first step toward that goal.

As she caresses his face, she rubs her finger along his lips and says, “The purple caterpillar becomes a butterfly, and… ” She urges him to finish their mantra. He runs his finger along her lips as well and says, “Even in wind and rain, it opens its wings.” Then, they slide their hands together and interweave their fingers. Huh, sweet handshake.

Mihol grow suspicious of his daughter’s disappearance and orders Yeobi to find Taealha. He then meets with Danbyeok and shares his suspicions that Tagon may have killed Sanung, as the dujeumsaeng had no compelling reason to kill the Union leader. Mihol warns Danbyeok that Tagon is well-positioned to become the next Union leader, and neither Mihol nor Danbyeok may have a place under Tagon’s rule.

Danbyeok refuses to accuse his brother without evidence, so Mihol urges him to find the dujeumsaeng, who’s their only witness. Reciprocating the suspicion, Danbyeok asks Mihol where Taelaha is, and Mihol lies that Taealha has been sick and getting some rest.

As Danbyeok leaves, he orders his soldiers to interrogate any suspicious person with questions that only Union members would know the answers to. He also orders them to search for Taealha and Tuak.

Mihol’s advisor warns him that they can’t wait for the dujeumsaeng’s capture. Without Sanung, they have no defenses against Tagon’s demands for their bronze technology knowledge. Mihol knows that there’s only one person to help them, so he heads out to meet with Asa Ron. Tagon’s lackey Gilseon orders a soldier to follow Mihol, and he reports Mihol’s movements to Tagon.

While Mihol meets with Asa Ron, Tagon approaches his brother. When Danbyeok sees Tagon, he wonders if his brother really did kill their father. Tagon is stopped by Danbyeok’s guards, but he looks earnestly at his brother and says that he’s there to ask for permission.

Once they’re alone, Mihol asks Asa Ron if he had planned the outcome of the Sacred Trial with Tagon. Asa Ron defends his announcement of Tagon’s spiritual abilities as the will of the eight Arthdal gods, but Mihol stays firm in his accusation of Tagon scheming against them. Mihol shares that he attached Taealha to Tagon as a spy, but even she’s been lost to Tagon’s cause. He implores that they must join forces.

Tagon respectfully asks for Danbyeok’s permission to conduct their father’s death rites. He acknowledges that Danbyeok was their father’s most trusted son, and he humbles himself to a son who never knew his mother. Danbyeok says that the ceremony should be conducted by the High Priest, and Tagon offers to receive permission from the High Priest.

Then, Danbyeok asks Tagon if he killed their father. He remembers that the Daekan warriors targeted Sanung after the Sacred Trial, and Tagon explains that he needed to know if Sanung framed him. Mihol’s suspicions ring through Danbyeok’s mind, and Danbyeok tells his brother that he had always trusted him. He had hoped for Tagon to save their father and for them to make amends.

Danbyeok demands to know if Tagon killed their father, and Tagon reveals that he actually wanted to kill Danbyeok. Tagon says that he wanted to be treated warmly, as Danbyeok always was by Sanung. He endured his brutal assignments away from Arthdal because he wanted Sanung’s approval, and now he will never earn it. Tagon presents his desire for approval as his defense that he didn’t kill Sanung.

Still convinced that Tagon killed Sanung, Danbyeok then shifts his focus on Taealha. He accuses Tagon of lashing out because Sanung stole Taealha from him. Tagon says that he wanted to kill Mihol for that because he had manipulated Tagon’s affection for Taealha, making her a spy for Sanung. He blames Mihol for alienating him from his father.

Mihol tells Asa Ron that Tagon is plotting to become the king, which is a new idea that Mihol learned from the West. To block Tagon from gaining this extensive power, Mihol urges Asa Ron to become the new Union leader and offers to support him. Asa Ron says that a priest is not fit for the role of Union leader, but Mihol assures him that he will lobby the tribe leaders’ support. In turn, he asks Asa Ron to target Tagon as the culprit of Sanung’s murder.

After his conversation with Danbyeok, Tagon walks out weakly with the support of Mugwang and earns Danbyeok’s sympathetic gaze. Mugwang then asks about what to do with the Wahan tribe, and Tagon eases into a smile and stride.

Mugwang tells his Daekwan warrior buddies that Tagon ordered for all the Wahan tribe to be beheaded after observing Sanung’s death rites. While the other warriors worry about getting proper compensation for the slaves, Mugwang worries about who will be sacrificed among them, since the Wahan tribe’s capture led to Eunseom killing Sanung. Someone will be held responsible.

The Arthdal soldiers relay the death sentence to the Wahan tribe, and they begin to weep about their inevitable end. One of the Wahan tribesmen blames Tanya for bringing Eunseom into their tribe and causing this destruction. He says that Tanya should have escaped with Eunseom when he came back for her, instead of coming along with the Wahan people to Arthdal. Dalsae tries to shut down this nonsense, but it does nothing to ease their sadness. They’re all going to die.

Tanya’s father, Yeolson, takes his daughter’s hands and reminds her of the prophecy: “The breaker of shells shall arrive on the day that the Azure Comet appears. And thus, Wahan will no longer be the same.” Yeolson says that he was curious about the meaning of this prophecy for so long, and he tearfully tells Tanya that she will always be his beautiful daughter.

Yeolson tells the tribe that Tanya is a cursed child, as the Azure Comet was a cursed star, and that Eunseom has also been cursed. Defeated, Yeolson says that the cursed child brought in another cursed child. Tanya tearfully accepts this accusation, saying that she failed to learn the spirit dance and to meet dreams. She blames her one successful incantation directed at Eunseom for leading them all to their deaths.

The Wahan people whimper that they do not want to be beheaded, and Yeolson recognizes that they cannot reach the Great White Wolf if they die this way. To avoid this, Yeolson allows for the Wahan people to strangle each other to death so that they can have a chance at reaching their intended afterlife.

When Chaeeun tells Eunseom about the Wahan tribe’s sentence, he immediately grabs for a weapon and heads out to meet Tagon. Chaeeun tells him to think of a plan, but he doesn’t have the time. She asks if wants to save his people or die with them, and Eunseom responds that he wants to do both. If he can’t save them, then he wants to die with them.

As Asa Ron prepares for Sanung’s death rite, his advisor urgently notifies him that Tagon has already initiated the ceremony. When Mihol hears of this, he looks satisfied with this conflict and seems hopeful that Asa Ron will react.

Tagon conducts the death rite on an elevated platform, with the Asa tribe members below playing the eerie music for the ceremony. As the surrounding Union tribes chant, Tagon asks the gods to accept Sanung back in their midst. He summons Daraburu, the god of their lands, and Aramun Haesulla, the god of their union.

Taealha tries to stop Tuak from going out to witness Sanung’s death rite, but Tuak insists on going. She promises not to get caught, and Taealha reluctantly lets her go. Eunseom sees Tuak leaving Tagon’s house, and he catches a glimpse of Taealha.

Asa Ron angrily intervenes at the death rite and questions Tagon’s authority to conduct this ceremony. He asks Tagon if he’s ever dreamt or heard the spirit, and Tagon denies this. Tagon reminds Asa Ron that he confirmed his spiritual abilities, but Asa Ron argues that Tagon’s final consciousness conjuring abilities only extend to those who died in battle.

Asa Ron demands that Tagon descend from the platform, and Tagon starts to obey. Then, Tagon orders Asa Ron to kneel. He turns around and claims that he is borrowing Tagon’s body to communicate with Asa Ron. Playing a god, Tagon reprimands Asa Ron for not recognizing him. From afar, an unknown figure opens a box and lets out fireflies.

Taealha paces and wonders if Tagon is executing his god role play well. A hooded figure suddenly holds a knife to her neck, and we see that it’s Eunseom.

As Tagon continues to role play, Mugwang recognizes that Tagon as Aramun. Tagon claims to have given life to the Asa tribe and continued the bloodline of the Saenyeok tribe. Mugwang declares that this is Aramun Haesulla, and the whole crowd begins to chant for Aramun. Asa Ron and Mihol have no power to intervene, and Tagon embraces the worship, as the fireflies begin to swarm around him, making him look even holier.

Holding a knife to Taealha’s throat, Eunseom hands her the cloth with purple blood and tells her to deliver this to her “master.” Taealha seems to recognize the dujeumsaeng from his strange word choice, but before she can say any more, Eunseom tightens his hold.

Eunseom orders Taealha to relay his message: To meet where they initially met at nightfall. He better not harm any of the Wahan people. With that, Eunseom disappears, and Taealha checks the cloth. When she sees the purple blood stain, her hands begin to shake.

Tagon continues to revel in the worship of the Arthdal people, unaware of his threatened livelihood. As Eunseom looks back at the echoing worship, he sends a warning, “If you hurt any of the Wahan people, then everyone in Arthdal will know that you’re an Igutu.”

   
COMMENTS

I’m cackling at the firefly halo god worship scene with Jang Dong-geun in his Jesus hair and costume. There’s nothing subtle about it, and it just seems way overdone. I get that the show is emphasizing the importance of religion and spiritual worship in this pre-Gojoseon world, but the show has started to cross my threshold at which interesting details seem more like unnecessary embellishments and distractions from the story. I wanted more developments on Eunseom’s journey and learn more about Tanya, but instead, we got Tagon’s mane of glory turning into Jesus locks.

I could sense the reveal about Tagon being an Igutu, and I think the show did a good job of foreshadowing that. Sanung’s hatred and pity for his son makes sense, and it’s tragic that Tagon never really gained his father approval. He’s always known that this was impossible, and while most of the mourning was an act, I wonder how much grief he actually feels. It’s also tragic to put these two Igtutu against each other as enemies, when they should be standing in solidarity with each other. Only a few of them exist now, though we don’t know how many baby Igutus Tagon saved during the Neathal hunt.

Now that we’re starting to get into the thick of this show, I’m feeling a bit disappointed at the heavy emphasis on the politics of Arthdal. This world already has too many unfamiliar elements to adjust to, and the political schemes don’t add much to the excitement of the show. It’s the fantasy epic elements that make the show feel new and otherworldly, but there’s a fine line between fascinating and foreign. The show hasn’t found the right balance of its unfamiliar and captivating elements to continue to enthrall me, and I think most of alluring elements of the show have been buried in the politics. I’m hoping for a shift in the story from Tagon, whose story is embedded with politics and power struggles, to Eunseom, whose journey will surely carry more heart and endearment. And maybe once we shift our focus, the show will also decide to turn on the lights. Hopefully, the show didn’t blow through its budget with all the beautiful CGI in the first couple episodes that it can’t afford to show us what’s happening in the dark.

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Looking at all these screenshots, this show is way too dark... the lighting team should be fired!!

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I know right! It makes me frustrated. I even downloaded the largest version 1080p (3 GB) and still barely see anything. Kim Won Seok is great, but he is more suitable for human drama (Misaeng, My Ahjussi, Signal), and maybe it is his characteristic, the drama screen is in the dark tone. But it is not suited for high fantasy drama, in my opinion.

This drama consists of 3 seasons, each with 6 episodes (same as Kingdom), and the budget is as big as Kingdom as well (Netflix Series) of around 40 billion won or 1.78 million USD per episode. But I will watch the Kingdom, even if it was a boring scene, just to see the scenery.

Sometimes I think, this drama would be really great if the PD was the PD of Mirror of the Witch (same as the of Sky Castle) or the PD of Kingdom, imo.

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Yes, Mirror of the Witch was quite pretty, had a balance of light and dark and you could still see in the dark. I am watching 720p and it looks so coarse at dark scenes.

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Hi everyone, I just found out that it is waaay better to download the WEB-DL (HEVC) version instead of the NEXT version. And it's gonna be perfect if you download 1080p WEB-DL. It looks really sharp and clean.

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i thought it was only me who noticed that. I thought there was something wrong with my laptop.. I never expected this for a well budget drama.
I love all 3 dramas mentioned Misaeng, My Ahjussi, Signal but the tone of lighting is nowhere near from this drama which is disappointing.
Fans has a high expectation when this drama was 1st announce but now it is not the case for me.
Everything was overdone, seems like the hype didn't live to fans expectation.

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I've noticed the more the hype the worse the drama.

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agree... not to mention the chaotic way and poor execution of presenting its history in the 1st 3 episodes. I even more surprised to see in episode 6 that there were "twin" idea . I never saw this coming at all..I never expected that the plot will turn on this path.

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Talking about the hype, I remember the fan rage after over-hyped Scarlet Heart was aired... Looking at this drama I think this is 1000 time worst than Scarlet Heart... At least that drama had interesting characters, beautiful cinematography, stunning costume design, beautiful hair/make-ups etc... So far Arthdal Chronicles is just a high budget mess... None of the characters are interesting (except Taealha IMHO), the cinematography/lighting is a big mess, costumes are incredibly ridiculous (e.g. specially those red polyester fur) and the good people (i.e. Wahan Tribe) are frustratingly unintelligent...

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I watched it using Apple TV. Looks okay to me. It's still better that GoT. Lol.

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Jesus Tagon-nim aside, can I just say how annoyingly dark this damn show is? Yeah it’s the prehistoric times but give us some adequate candle light PLEASE.

I’m really not a fan of how slow this plot is going either. To my knowledge, the next episode marks the end of Season One and the Wahan people are still imprisoned, Tagon and Eunsom have just barely met and Eunsom’s twin hasn’t even met him yet. I would say chop chop but since this is a pre-filmed show, they can’t even speed things up under pressure. Sigh. I’m just waiting for Jisoo’s cameo at this point.

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Oh yeah this slow moves INCREDIBLY slowly for something with so much story to tell AND somehow the episodes drag and have too much in them despite everything.

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80 minute episodes and so little progress is a difficult feat.

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"Jesus Tagon," LOL. I was thinking about the musical, Jesus Christ, Superstar, when they were zooming out from thr podium with his outstretched arms and the people chanting. I started laughing.

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For someone who is supposed to be the main character Carrot Boy has very little screentime.

Also this director and writers are supposed to be good but that entire Tower Sequence was the worst thing I have seen in a long while.

And the same kind of thing just keeps happening. Smart characters do dumb stuff, talk for too long to appear smart and get out of their previous dumb stuff, everybody including me gets more confused as they try and pretend the politicking is interesting (when worse sageuks have had better politicking) and will take us anywhere, I called Tagon being half vamp from episode one and nothing is even remotely shocking or gripping. P

I'm still watching and I still wanna know what happens and E6 was a tad better but for Episode 5 of an 18 Episode show? I'm going to breach a level of insanity never before seen by man by the end of this for sure.

Oh also #magichorseforpresident2020

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Am not really sure who is the main character. It's either our pure hero or our tragic hero. I'm not sure if the writer said who would be the main character of this story. Tagon is the hero of this world (according to the prophecy) so maybe carrot boy is the hero of the Wahan people. All the publicity said that the story is about a hero who tries to save his people so we focused on that. Did any publicity also add that the story is about a tragic hero fated to save the world? Probably not. That would give the plot away. The question is: what is more important to us? Saving the Wahan or saving the world? And is there a way to save both?

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Yeah...I can't dub anyone who commits genocide as a "hero," even of the tragic kind. Plus, they keep emphasizing that "saving the world" means saving 사람 (Saram), which is only one race. So I think Tagon is destined to fight to maintain the dominion of his people over their world, not save the world in the traditional sense.

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Is Tagon the hero of the prophecy? Which prophecy? At the moment all I see Tagon is as someone who knows how to manipulate and murder people to get what he wants. Including through prophecies and religion.
Episode 2 and 3 made Carrot Boy the focus of several prophecies and the focus of several story arc set ups. He's also in the centre of all the posters. He's also clearly the spanner in everyone's wheel when it comes to all the other stories and plots.
No matter what he is, I think he has far to little screen time.

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I think they should have started the story with the attack on the Wahan tribe and given us the relevant info as and when needed. Imagine finding out along with Eunsom what an igutu is. The world building is so elaborate they are losing their pacing.

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Now THAT would've been fun. Although that reveal would've had to have been handled really well and so far no reveals in this show have been handled well so I'm also picturing the worst possible way your version could go haha

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You’re right. They don’t seem to be able to trust their viewer to make the connections for themselves.

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True, it's a fine line. On the one hand, they reveal stuff that we should be able to guess and they should trust us. On the other hand, i'm seeing a lot of people who are missing other connections and other storypoints that the writer is aiming at. Some folks will miss the most obvious things, and other folks will complain about being told too much. So it's a hard row to hoe knowing when and if to trust viewers. I think the writer made some bad choices about what to reveal and when, but i also think writer-nim also made some good choices.

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One thing that turned me off to American shows was the fact every little piece of info has to be explained in detail, as if we are too dumb to make connections for ourselves. When I discovered Asian dramas I loved that we had to make connections ourselves. But you have to think a bit harder. So I'm wondering if the fact this drama is for Netflix and int'l audiences (esp American) they're making connections for us.
Actually I'm only guessing from reading everyone's comments, the first few minutes of the 1st episode turned me off and I haven't watched any more.

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"One thing that turned me off to American shows was the fact every little piece of info has to be explained in detail, as if we are too dumb to make connections for ourselves. When I discovered Asian dramas I loved that we had to make connections ourselves."

can you give specific examples please?

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So many kdramas tell their stories chronologically that hiding of backstories sometimes isn't done. It might have been hard to hide his blue lips from us viewers though, and we wouldn't have seen the spirituality of the Wahan and learned as much about the gods. I think that by focusing only on the political worldbuilding they aren't building a true world. This is why the pacing is slow, because we don't see how all this political scheming affects any group outside of the Wahan and the power structure. We hate the imperialists because they are mean to the Wahan but no one outside of the power structure exists. We have no middle class to add texture and layer to the story.

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Ah, this drama. Totally agree with your insights! Thank you.

What i love: the fact that the writer isn't making it easy for viewers or for the writer himself. I really do like when a writer makes things hard for him/herself and for us. We have a villain whom we need and whom we must protect or the world will end by regressing..or just end. Apparently scientists now think that the neanderthals didn't die out, they just merged into the homo sapiens more or less. So i can see how we need to have neanthal bloodline to help everyone evolve. And we have a villain who may be a god, or who may just think he's a god. And we now have three main male characters, all of whom are aspects of Aramun...or not. Ay me, drama! This is one complicated God and i'm wondering what he will do once the humans do evolve at the end of the story. Will he leave the humans and disappear?

i love the Lady Macbethification of Taelha. Or the Jezebelification. Whatever, she wears the pants in this couple and i love that Tagon's weakness and strength is Taelha, the only one who has fully accepted him.

I really love that Joong ki is so "feminine" and frail looking and the actor who plays Tagon is so masculine, except when he is with Taelha and being comforted by her. The way the Wahan men also prettied up themselves with flowers for the ceremony also adds to the subtext about manly men and non-manly men. And the prettiness of Eunsom/Joong ki is the perfect choice to show this.

Things i don't like -- the sageuk "old men scheming" thing. The story is free from typical kdrama tropes in many ways, and at the same time...it holds to so many. I can't expect any story to unmoor itself totally from its cultural underpinnings but I so wanted the women to be a little more powerful. The men rule and the women are merely supports, and that annoys me. We have crone wise woman, maternal woman, always-eating fat woman, sidekick scientist herbalist woman, young victim spiritual woman, and sexy seductive woman. And they are all concerned about the men in their lives. The Bechtel test might be iffy on this one, but it could be said that Taelha is a manly woman and a feminine one at the same time. Still, i think the men have more subtlety in their personality and are not as extremely stereotyped as the women. The men just seem like real people. Also, i'm disappointed we don't have women soldiers. That would have neatly balanced out the whole feminine/masculine dichotomy. I know this city is supposed to have clans from all over but it's not shown really well...except for that black extra who keeps showing up in all those scenes.

Anyway, am loving this drama but fearing the whole separated sibling thing.

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finally, someone who understands the show.

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I thought, poor dramallama having to pick screenshots for this episode 🤦🏻‍♀️

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It was terribly dark and annoying during the hostage situation. I had to rewind multiple times to see how Sanung got stabbed. The whole talk during it was awful. I thought he might have a small chance to survive or there was going be a twist when they kept going back and forth, but nope. Felt like a big waste of time.

I haven't seen EP 6 yet, but I agree with the Beanies here about the slow plot. I really wanted to see Eunseom saving his tribe in this episode.

The fact about Tagon being an Igutu was unexpected though.

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I did the same thing! That hostage scene was sooo dark, I couldn't tell until the third time who killed him. I was already annoyed at how dark it was, but then I got even more annoyed that I had to keep prolonging that already overlong scene by rewinding.

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The only best thing in this episode. Tagon is Igutu. That is it. I agree regarding it is too dark in this episode. I had to rewind couple of times to see how Tagon killed his father. I agree that even episodes are better than off episodes. However, it would be better with 30 episodes of three part instead of 18 episodes.

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Maybe I’m biased, but this drama needs wayyy more screen time for Tanya and Eunseom. Not only do they light up the screen separately, it practically sizzles when they are together. There’s too much back to back politics and scheming going on and it all gets tedious and confusing. I know it’s just the beginning but I feel like the heart of this show is Eunseom and his journey and more focus needs to be put on it. I feel like they just skimmed over the details of his adjustment to life in Arthadal. It feels like all the focus is on the other characters right now. :/ There’s this feeling of this show not reaching the potential it could’ve reached. For some reason the scenes with the Wahan Tribe are always enjoyable even though they are imprisoned most of the time. And there’s too much of the spiritual dancing and less action. 😭 I need more Eunseom and Tanya scenes!!! I don’t know maybe I’m overthinking it it haha

Also is it just me or is Tagon’s character confusing at times... he always has this pitiful smile/smirk on his face even when he’s ordering beheadings... 😂

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Just realized I wrote the word feel four times in a row haha 🤦‍♀️

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The dancing now gets an immediate and involuntary eye roll from me as I reach for the fast forward button.

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yeah, that dancing! The filmmakers did super-great in some areas and were lazy in others. Their clothing design of the rich, of the priestly caste, and the choreography of the priestesses are kinda meh and seems inspired by old Cecil B DeMille sword and sorcery epics.

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I often feel like I'm watching a sword and sorcery western movie.

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Tagon is the typical mixed race hero with self-loathing "i gotta do this to belong" issues. Not much we can do about that self-pity alas. It's the core of his personality and the reason he is who he is.

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Totally agree. We need more Eunsom and Tanya.

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I agree some shots are way too dark. So far I am enjoying this show. My only complaint is directing and editing, It's not precise, some scenes are chopped unevenly.

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Song Joong-ki, magical horse, and unintended comedy are now my reasons for continuing.

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I'm surprised how Tagon could hide this fact during so long when he's a warrior. He never was hurt during a fight? His soldats didn't wonder why they never saw him bleeding? He has to hide his purple lips too?

All the kidnapping was so ridiculous. Eunseom thinks that Sanung will just do what he wants when he doesn't really threaten him. Why did he need that Tagon come in the tower, Sanung just could ask Tagon to free Eunseom's people from the window.
Sanung threatens Tagon to accuse him of wanting to kill him and it's what Tagon does... Sanung was not very smart, he knew his son was a igutu so super strong but he decided to threaten him at this moment was a good idea?

Chaeeun is like the computer device that answers the questions of the hero to help him in modern TV shows like Ziggy in Code Quantum and Helper is Kit in K2000 :D

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Yeah, it takes a lot to never get hurt during all that warfare. I think we're supposed to understand the kidnapping as ridiculous. Eunseom is utterly out of his depth at the beginning. So i think the writer wants us to see that he is a child who makes stupid decisions because he doesn't know how devious warfaring people think. In fact, we have Chaeun telling us and Eunseom how slow Eunseom is to understand this new world he's in. As he grows, Chaeun will stop telling him (and the viewers) that he doesn't know. Meanwhile, we're supposed to watch him grow in intelligence, scheming, and warcraft. So i think we're all supposed to roll our eyes at the ridiculousness of the kidnapping plot.

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But it's kind of the principle of every hero, to grow up and become mature. But in this drama, it's not really well written.

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in that case, yet. But first, we don't know who the hero is. We have an antihero, a pure perfect hero, and someone else in the castle..who also has a role to play. I wonder if it's about focus. If we consider Eunseom the truest hero in the story, then yes, we need to see more of his maturation. But if Tagon is to be our hero after the brothers meet (as prophesied by one of our dancing twirlers) then seeing Tagon mature might be the thing we need to focus on. At this point, we don't know who will be the hero of the story. We just know that the hero of mankind who will save us all is Tagon.

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It's not really important to know if there is different heroes or not. In this case, it's very obvious that Eunseom is the naive who becomes stronger by passing different tests. It's just in this case the written is such that I don't really care about the characters.

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"We just know that the hero of mankind who will save us all is Tagon." according to a religious group that has already been revealed to be faking prophecies and messages from their god to gain political traction.

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Yes, Eunseom will grow as he passes various tests. I care about the characters because I want Tagon to find his soul, in addition to saving the world. I would also like the slavery to end which might be a larger goal for Eunseom than merely saving the Wahan. I'm not sure if it's bad writing that makes a viewer not care for a character, though. That's more something that comes from within the viewer and his ability to empathize with others and to supply what the writer has left out. Creating empathy in a viewer is a collaborative act between a writer and a reader/viewer and both viewer and writer need to do their part. The fact that the writer has made me care tells me the writer has done his part and i have done mine.

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"Chaeeun is like the computer device that answers the questions of the hero to help him in modern TV shows like Ziggy in Code Quantum and Helper is Kit in K2000 :D"
Your comment made me think that Chaeeun is like Janet from "The Good Place" but without the humor 😂

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You all have pretty much said everything I think. Too dark. Too slow. Too much political scheming. Still too dark. It's not going to get a good grade from me this Saturday.

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At least there is one less character to deal with now.🤷‍♀️

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This show is actually Doctor Prisoner in ancient times. Everyone is playing everyone and switches alliances at the drop of the hat. Did not see the twist coming but that certainly upped the stakes. JDG looks smoldering hot.

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I really hate that Tagon is an Igutu. I mean the guy was the leader of the Naenthal hunt for 20 years, did he really never get hurt?
I like the actor playing Tagon, but here his casting doesn't feel quite right especially since I saw his younger part. The actor who plays his younger self had this sly, playful and cunning smile and he seemed super interesting.
The rituals are taking so long, enough already please we get it.

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So Tagon did not only kill his own father (and reportedly mother) but also wiped out half his heritage through his engineering of the Neanthal genocide as well.

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i wonder if Tagon killing his mother had something to do with his iguthuness. Either because he didn't know he was igutu and was prejudiced against her, or because he knew she was igutu and that she was going to reveal him. I wonder if he found out he was igutu before or after he killed her. There seems to be a lot of guilt in that decision to kill her so i don't think he did it for no "good" reason.

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I was bothered by the shift in character in Tagon. I also liked his younger counterpart much more, and the only explanation I can find for the change of personality is that Tagon has grown wearied from the years being out in the borders without receiving acknowledgement from his father, so the excitement of doing a feat has worn off. But then again, charisma is what Tagon embodies and what has worn people over, but now it feels like it’s more tell than show.

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I laughed most of my way through this episode. It is still my happy pill, but I thought it was just a pacing issue, but alas the writing is just not there, idc though I will continue to enjoy the ride.

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i really believe the writing is more there than not. The writer keeps telling us what he/the writer is doing. At this point, unfortunately, we need to see what Eunseom is up against. We need to understand what he needs to understand. True, the writer isn't perfect. He/she should show us more of how Eunseom acclimates to the city and we should see more of Chaeun's world to show Eunseom learning the ways of the city but at the same time we need to see the big picture (of politics, unfortunately) before Eunseom does. At this point, i know there are military, slave, priest, and merchant castes/classes but if writer had shown how Chaeun's household operated, she would feel more like a real person. So yeah, the writing is very good i think but the writer also misses a lot. It is what it is, no writer is perfect.

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In week one we discussed a long list of stories Arthdal reminds us of, with the reference to the (re)unification of three heavenly objects I am throwing Harry Potter’s deathly hallows into the mix as well.

I found Tanya’s self blame ridiculous.

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I actually have to disagree on the point of Tanya's self blame being ridiculous. I think it's logical to think like that (in that world and the myths of that time), especially because though she has those spiritual powers (which have been largely associated with failure atm), they're only just starting to break out and it's during such a brutal and depressing period in their tribe's time.
I'm not saying that I didn't find it frustrating, but I can understand it.

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Truth, paole. She feels as a shaman/priestess she should have known better but also...as in all kdramas, the heroine must indulge in self-blame. It's one of those annoying tropes that shows how morbidly introspective and emotionally connected our kdrama heroines are. But it's a nice balance to Tagon who has blame issues too, i think...and to Taelha who has no capacity to blame herself for anything whatever.

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After last week's episode I wrote that I thought Tagon might be Igutu and well, now we know for sure.

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Ah woman! You are soo good! It totally took me by surprise! What about Yangcha? I know he's being punished for some crime. Does he know about Tagon's bloodline? Is he also Igutu?

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Yang-cha is being punished so that all the young people who discovered him in The King Loves aka The King In Love (one of the two cute guards) will continue to watch to see his entire face.

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Oh that one! I loved those two guards. He's the better looking one I supposed. The other was a little dim but just as cute.

Every time this character name pops up, I giggle. Yang Cha sounds 'drinking tea' in Cantonese - Yum Cha.

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@ndlessjoie Heh! :)

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LOL!!!!

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I'm actually more curious about Yangcha's age because he apparently still looks like an adolescent after twenty years.

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There must be something magical in the human tribes' mugwort and garlic diet that the Neanthals refused to eat.

All our little Igutus are aging except for the humanoids.

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Sorry to drop in and having no idea what is this show about but I want to say that garlic and mugwort diet has a very cultural significance in Korea and their mythology: It was supposedly the diet that a bear ate to become a (pretty) human girl and married the son of god who had come on earth and gave birth to the first ruler of Gojosoen, Daggun.

Maybe it makes no sense here but I wanted to say it! haha!

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I know that and if you watch the first episode the Neanthals said that they don't eat them.

The writers basically changed the original mythology. The tiger woman actually ate the mugwort and garlic but she was impatient and left the cave before she became fully human.

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Thanks oppafangirl and kiara. Now you have me thinking. I had missed that bit about the diet. Thanks so much.

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@scifiwritir We got some answers but we certainly have more questions, for sure! I know we're all wondering about Yang-cha!

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He better be ultra important to the plot or that mask and that extra strength is making him way more important than he actually is. Tagon does seem to have a habit of saving Igutu's tho...

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@scifiwritir *nodding in agreement*

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I keep wondering what happened to the two Neanthals babies which we last saw as young boys along with the twin babies... what happened to them...

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I really like this series, but only because of the casting. I enjoy the 4 main leads on my screen, especially Song Joong-ki and Kim Ji-won. So I think I will enjoy this even if the writing and directing sucks. Everyone is so negative in the comments about that it makes me sad. I guess we have to call out the parts that aren't good but could we at least honor their efforts and find good things about it, too.

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It's too dark to see the scene Tagon killed his father... :(

Tagon is an igutu is a big shock! If he's an igutu, so his mother is a Neanthal? And he doesn't share the same mother with Daenbyeok?

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Na, Tagon and Daenbyeok are half-sibs. I think that Tagon reminds me of those conflicted self-loathing mixed race folks one sees in black literature. He belongs but he doesn't belong. He wants to belong but he has to tear down the power structure to belong. His being Igutu makes sense to me and now explains his isolation from the power structure, power-hunger, mild depression, and neediness. He understands the plight of the slaves but cannot allow himself to identify with them. More than enough cause to kill his mother if she was trying to "out" him.

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It seems that I am alone in liking the show 'because' it focuses on the politics and not the heart and endearment as we have enough Korean style H&E in other dramas.
And I just love seeing JDG in his new role. But I preferred his other hairstyles to the Jesus one as you call it. It's irrelevant and overdone.

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Thanks for the recap...this is the only live/currently aired show I'm following, and can't wait to watch the newer episodes. While I want to know how this storyline will play out, I can definitely find a million things to poke holes here, so it's terribly frustrating at times...while reading the comments, mostly everyone has already nailed the issues here...dark and slow and simply all over the place...I have seen kdramas with such fantastic fight scenes so the fight between T & E was so disappointing, since there are 12 twelve episodes left I really hope the production/editing quality improves... With the Tagon's reveal, it left me sad to know that this character was responsible for genocide of the Neanthal, I hope he gives a good explanation in the later episodes...I really hope those two young Neanthals that were saved are also grown up and play big roles later in the series coz they deserve justice for what these people did to their race...I kept wondering why E has such little screen time...I get they need to establish this world and it's political entanglements but they should have expected that the audience would have wanted more of the main characters... nevertheless, I'm really interested to know what's going to happen next...

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where can I download this series

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I actually found this episode was especially funny and it made me laugh at inappropriate moments. The first was when Taealha and Tagon were kissing and I'm like, uhm, Hae Tuak is still in the room, and, nope, she didn’t magically disappear from the room (like some supporting characters do), so she had to make an awkward exit like some poor bypasser that just witnessed PDA. The second was when Mubaek visited Asa Sakan, and it looks like I was not the only one bothered by the excessive smoke, and I’ll admit the priestesses appeared as if they were stoned (on second thoughts, the whole shrine looked like a stoners’ den).

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Am I the only one who was not at all surprised that Tagon was an Igutu and called it in episode one...

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I've been reading comments and i don't know what show you people are watching o. How is is dark????
Tagon is impressive. It's not easy to hate him. Now that we know he's an igutu, it's easy to understand him
Is it a different person writing Eunseom character cos I'm disappointed

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I watched it on Netflix and the image was ok. Not too dark.

Can anyone explain to me how Tagon managed to hide his secret for so long? He was in countless battles and never got a scratch?

I wonder if this show will ed up like GoT: annoy us about prophecies and then forget about them completely...

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I very surprised how bad this drama is turning out to be. They has such a big budget but some parts are horrible. First the lighting it's so hard to watch tried every thing to make the screen brighter. The set is so dark there's nothing beautiful to look at. The makeup reminded of a documentary that I had watched about an African tribe it was copied for sure. Such great actors in this drama what a waste. Already on episode 5 and nothing really majored has happened except the tribe being captured for slavery. I wished Song Joong-Ki could have picked better for his comeback. And to think after the 12 episodes finish we have to wait until September. I understand the story but it was hyped for nothing.

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I really want to love this show, but the storyline has been hard for me to follow. I will keep trying! Maybe I will just binge watch it after all of the episodes are released.

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