Are You Human Too: Episodes 21-22
by LollyPip
Nam Shin-III is running out of time, and he seems to be the only one who doesn’t know how close he is to annihilation at the hands of the person he trusts most. Luckily he has some champions in unexpected places, and his own development is advancing by leaps and bounds. Soon our sweet little Shinnamon Roll may not need champions at all, but may become strong enough to protect himself and those he’s learning to care about.
EPISODE 21 RECAP
All this time that Shin’s been in a coma, he’s been aware of others talking around him. He remembers seeing Nam Shin-III, and he hears his mother making plans to send Nam Shin-III in his place and fears that Nam Shin-III will be found out to be a robot: “Because in the end, he’ll be different than me. Try acting like me all you want. Once I wake up, it’ll be over.”
So-bong and Nam Shin-III are on their picnic, and Nam Shin-III is fascinated by the people, wanting to understand them. So-bong asks if he’s not sick of the terrible people around him, and he says he wants to understand her more. He explains that by watching other people’s facial expressions, he can read hers better, and he’s confused by an expression she made just now.
Knowing that she can’t lie to him, she admits that for a moment, she wished he weren’t a robot. Nam Shin-III asks innocently what he’d be if not a robot, and So-bong changes the subject, saying she needs to go home.
Young-hoon is the first to see Shin’s fingers twitching, and soon Ro-ra gets a call from David. She arrives to find Shin motionless, but David was able to get video of his fingers moving, and the doctor says that he’ll be waking up soon.
Later, Ro-ra decides that Nam Shin-III can’t know about this, nor can So-bong. She tells David and Young-hoon that So-bong asked her to remove the kill switch, worried if she finds out that Shin is waking up, she’ll warn Nam Shin-III. David argues that Nam Shin-III has a right to know about the kill switch, but Ro-ra is afraid that now that Nam Shin-III is making his own decisions, he’ll resist when Shin wakes.
David is still upset, especially when Ro-ra refers to her son as “the real Shin,” as if Nam Shin-III is a fake. Young-hoon looks upset, but he says that Shin’s recovery is their top priority, so he agrees not to tell So-bong and Nam Shin-III about Shin while they need them. Scoffing, David says they’re both insane, and so was this whole plan.
Nam Shin-III drops So-bong off at her dad’s gym, and she forbids him to come inside to see Dad. But when she goes in, Dad slides up behind Nam Shin-III and wonders why she would say that.
They end up at a coffee shop with Joint and Robocop, and Dad asks about Nam Shin-III calling off his wedding. Nam Shin-III confirms it, and also that he’s rehired So-bong as his bodyguard. Dad is angry until Nam Shin-III says guilelessly that he doesn’t trust anyone like he trusts her.
Dad, Joint, and Robocop all head-tilt in unison at Nam Shin-III’s easy use of So-bong’s name, and Nam Shin-III says they’re very special friends. On the tail of his called-off wedding, Dad gets the entirely wrong idea. Then Joint and Robocop mutter that Nam Shin-III must not see So-bong as a woman if he can be friends with her, and Dad objects to that, too. LOL, make up your mind, Dad!
He asks Nam Shin-III if he doesn’t see So-bong as a woman (meaning, doesn’t find her attractive). Nam Shin-III takes him literally and says that of course he sees her as a woman, since she’s female, HA. He leaves, saying that So-bong says he’s not supposed to talk to Dad, and Joint and Robocop conclude that So-bong must be in a one-sided love.
Nam Shin-III calls So-bong, and she hangs up when Reporter Jo comes home. She tells her that she’s Nam Shin-III’s bodyguard again, and Reporter Jo asks, “Why does he need a bodyguard when he could save the world alone?”
She reveals that she has the black box video from Snake’s car, which shows Nam Shin-III crushing the car bare-handed. She says she can’t understand how he did all that and came out without a scratch, and she asks So-bong if Nam Shin-III is even human.
So-bong tries to delete the video from Reporter Jo’s phone, but she says she’s got a backup file. She threatens to upload the video online if So-bong doesn’t tell her the truth — again, why does So-bong consider this person a friend??
Young-hoon thinks about seeing Shin’s hand moving, and Nam Shin-III comes to tell him he’s rehired So-bong. When Young-hoon says he heard from Ro-ra, Nam Shin-III asks if he went to see her because he missed Shin, and Young-hoon nods wearily.
Nam Shin-III says that now that he’s friends with So-bong, he understands Young-hoon’s relationship with Shin: “To you, the human Nam Shin is a friend. A friend who is always there. Just like So-bong wants to protect me as a friend, you want to protect the human Nam Shin. Right?”
He asks if Young-hoon doesn’t want to be friends with him, too, since he looks exactly like Shin, but when Young-hoon can’t answer he says he’s just kidding. He thanks Young-hoon for bringing him here, where he got to experience human life and even make a friend. He says he can do even better, and one day, even become friends with Young-hoon.
He continues that Young-hoon is a good person he wants to be friends with, but when Young-hoon can’t even look at him, he adds, “I guess you don’t want to be my friend. Than what about my hyung? That’s what human Shin calls you.” Young-hoon nods that he’ll think about it.
Jong-gil tries to lure Ye-na home from Ro-ra’s place, but she refuses to step foot in that house ever again. Jong-gil snaps that it’s all over with Shin after he canceled their wedding, but when she says it will never be over, he yells that he may do something to Shin if he loses his temper. Glaring, Ye-na says coldly, “You already did.”
She snarls that she heard him talking about how he tried to kill Shin, asking how he could do that when she loves Shin. Jong-gil yells that Chairman Nam and Shin do the nice things, while he does the dirty work. He says that Chairman Nam doesn’t trust him, and will kill him before he dies so he doesn’t get in Shin’s way.
He tells Ye-na that the only way he’ll survive is to take the chairman’s seat. He begs Ye-na to tell him Shin’s secret, but she shoves away. She yells that he did those dirty things because he wanted something for himself, and that he should be ashamed for trying to kill a person, calling him disgusting.
The moment she’s out of sight, Jong-gil drops the desperate father act. He calmly watches Ye-na drive away, then calls Toady to follow her, sure that she knows Shin’s secret.
David finds Ro-ra staring at Nam Shin-III’s kill switch again and asks if she’s that eager to use it. He offers to take Nam Shin-III far away when Shin wakes, but she says that Nam Shin-III won’t want to hide again after living in society. David asks how she can insist on using the kill switch after living with Nam Shin-III for twenty years, longer than her real son. That’s what I’m saying!
They’re interrupted by a yell from Ye-na, who just saw Shin move his finger. Ro-ra tells her that Shin is waking up, and Ye-na tells Shin tearfully not to forgive her or her father when he wakes. David and Ro-ra realize that she knows her father is responsible for Shin’s condition.
So-bong was forced to tell Reporter Jo the truth, and Reporter Jo promises not to tell anyone, since nobody would believe her anyway. So-bong thanks her, but Reporter Jo says she still can’t believe it herself.
She also can’t believe that So-bong went back, knowing that Jong-gil will retaliate if he finds out that she hid something this big. She asks why she’s risking herself for a stupid robot, but So-bong says Nam Shin-III isn’t a stupid robot.
She says that he’s a better person than she is: “He knows to hug someone who’s sad and to save someone who’s in danger. He doesn’t lie, and follows the rules. He always keeps his promises, too. He’s always honest and sincere. He’s warm and smiles a lot.”
Reporter Jo gapes at So-bong, then sighs that she’s obviously in love. The Maibo robot that Nam Shin-III gave So-bong (and that lit up when she was talking about Nam Shin-III) says in Nam Shin-III’s voice that he’s on his way, calling her “friend,” and So-bong is all See, he called me friend, we’re just friends.
Later in the car, Nam Shin-III notices So-bong’s quiet mood and checks her pulse. As he holds her hand, all So-bong can think of is Reporter Jo’s accusation that she’s in love, and she reminds herself that they’re just friends. As she says it, Nam Shin-III winks and wonders what she’s lying about. Whoops.
Awww, he thinks she’s lying that they’re friends, but she says he made an error. He grumbles that he did not, but he lets it go and tells her that he asked Young-hoon to be his friend but Young-hoon didn’t want to. So-bong asks why, but Nam Shin-III says it’s a secret, and she wonders what Young-hoon’s problem is.
Nam Shin-III flexes his fingers, saying that they’re not quite right after he broke a car for a friend. So-bong mutters that the friend is too embarrassed to thank him directly, and Nam Shin-III grins happily.
At the office, Nam Shin-III and Ro-ra attend a meeting about the M-car. Everyone is surprised when Chairman Nam joins the meeting, and Young-hoon, who arrives with him, exchanges a tiny nod with Nam Shin-III. The meeting is about matching the M-car to its driver’s biorhythms so that it can respond if the driver experiences health issues, and they decide to rebrand it as the Medicar and market it to people with health problems.
After the meeting, Chairman Nam credits Young-hoon for making “Shin” a decent, hardworking human being. He leaves, and Nam Shin-III thanks Young-hoon too, calling him “Hyung.” Young-hoon tells him to stop, and Nam Shin-III asks if he’s angry, and even So-bong wonders why Young-hoon seems upset after being praised by Chairman Nam.
Young-hoon asks to speak to So-bong alone, and he tells her that she played a big part in Chairman Nam’s acceptance of Nam Shin-III. She asks why he’s acting strange, but he only says he’ll be busy for a while, and asks her to take good care of Nam Shin-III.
Ro-ra praises Nam Shin-III for impressing Chairman Nam, and he promises that even though he’s doing things his way, he still won’t do anything to hurt Shin. Ro-ra says that’s fine, and Nam Shin-III asks hopefully if she trusts him, but she changes the subject. He asks her about fixing his hand, but she suddenly grows anxious and tells him not to come to the lab.
When he tells So-bong that Ro-ra claims there’s something wrong with her lab, she promises to look into it. She calls David to ask when the lab will be fixed, but he doesn’t seem to know of any problems. So-bog remembers Young-hoon telling her to take care of Shin, and she tells David that Young-hoon and Ro-ra are acting like they’re deliberately keeping Nam Shin-III away.
So-bong learns what’s happening, and she finds Ro-ra outside, watching the video of Shin moving his fingers. She accuses Ro-ra of hiding Shin’s recovery from her for fear she’d tell him of the kill switch. She says that Nam Shin-III wouldn’t run away from her, and Ro-ra says that she talks like he’s human.
So-bong spits that Ro-ra is the one who made him to act like a person, and treated him like one. Ro-ra orders her not to tell Nam Shin-III about eh kill switch, but So-bong says she wouldn’t tell him anyway, because she couldn’t tell him something so cruel. But she wants Ro-ra to tell him that Shin is waking up, saying that he deserves to know since he’s the reason they all got this far.
EPISODE 22 RECAP
Ro-ra calls Nam Shin-III as So-bong orders, but So-bong doesn’t stick around to listen. When Nam Shin-III finds her in the stairwell, she pretends she didn’t know about Shin, but he can tell from her expression that something is wrong.
He grabs her hand when she says she’s fine, and he asks why she’s lying, but she snaps at him for reading her mind. She’s even angry that he located her with GPS, saying that if he really knew her, he would understand she wants to be alone.
Ro-ra confronts David for telling So-bong about Shin, though he argues that he never agreed not to tell. She says he’s always considered her position, and he snaps that he thought for once she’d consider his. He asks her again to let him take Nam Shin-III away, then storms off to call Chairman Nam.
Chairman Nam says, when he hears about Shin’s recovery, that Shin is his own flesh and blood. But he also says that they can’t let Ro-ra use Nam Shin-III’s kill switch and destroy what they’ve worked on for decades. He tells David to stop her, or he’ll be useless to him as well.
Jong-gil reports to Chairman Nam that he got the best price for the anti-hacking chip, and it’s been successfully installed in the M-car. He says he heard about the car being rebranded the Medicar, and marvels at “Shin’s” creativity. He goes back to his office to call Toady, smashing his phone when Toady says he can’t find Ye-na.
When So-bong gets home, she realizes that she was unfair to yell at him. She suddenly notices that Maibo is missing, and she finds him face-down in the garbage outside, as if he threw himself away. As she brushes him off, he suddenly wakes and says, “I’m sorry about earlier. I promise never to track you again. I’m sorry for not understanding. I’m sorry I’m a robot.”
So-bong turns to find Nam Shin-III behind her, and she starts to walk past him. He asks if she’d prefer he were a human, reminding her that she said she wished he weren’t a robot. He asks what happens to him when Shin wakes up, and what he should do, because, “I’m a robot, so I need to be useful. But I’ll be useless to Mom then.”
So-bong says he’s useful enough for her, and Nam Shin-III replies that this is why he’s thankful… because she understands him. He says it’s why he wants to understand her like a real human friend. So-bong tells him she didn’t ask for that — just that he’s him, and just for him to be there.
She says that all she needs is for him not to disappear, and he asks why he would, telling her, “I’m right here.” He steps forward and hugs her, and when So-bong grumps that she’s not crying, he says she wants to: “I know. Cry all you want, Kang So-bong.” She bursts into sobs, wailing that he’s a robot, unable to understand why she’s hurting so much.
Later, when So-bong doesn’t pick up a call from Nam Shin-III, he asks her through Maibo if she’s sleeping. He says that he’ll have to track her through GPS if she doesn’t answer, but he promised not to in case she wants to be alone.
Instead of answering, So-bong takes her frustration out on a punching bag. Nam Shin-III checks his phone constantly for a message from So-bong, until Young-hoon asks him what’s wrong. He says that So-bong cried and said she was in pain because of him, and that she won’t answer her phone but that he promised not to track her.
He asks Young-hoon what he should do, and Young-hoon says with a tiny smile that she probably just needs some time. He reassures Nam Shin-III that she’ll call soon, and he’s sweetly indulgent as he tells Nam Shin-III that to humans, “soon” is whenever the other person feels better and returns. Nam Shin-III accepts that, nodding and repeating, “until she returns.”
There’s a shareholders meeting the following day, where Nam Shin-III is to give an important presentation. David uses Ro-ra’s absence to open the safe, possibly to steal the kill switch, but it’s gone.
Toady finds Jong-gil in his office guzzling wine despite the early hour. Jong-gil mutters that if “Shin” gives a good presentation, it’s all over for him. He perks up when Toady says they found Ye-na, and rushes out.
Reporter Jo thinks So-bong is nuts for going to work today, but Dad says that since they can’t stop her, they may as well let her see this whole thing through. Reporter Jo wails that he doesn’t understand, but Dad says that he knows So-bong’s crush insists they’re just friends. Reporter Jo starts to tell him Nam Shin-III’s secret, but she ends up just crying out, “I don’t know!”
While tending to Shin, Ye-na ignores a call from Jong-gil, so he texts her that he knows where Ro-ra’s hideout is. Ye-na runs outside to meet him, and he asks which house they’re in. Ye-na fibs, but Jong-gil says he saw her coming out of the house and demands to know why she’s still lying.
He asks what she’s hiding, and she says she just didn’t want him to know where Ro-ra lives. She tries to stop him from going inside, but he threatens her not to get in his way, showing her his true, cruel face. Ye-na says that what he wants is at the office, and he asks what she means.
David waves Nam Shin-III over while he’s on his way to rehearse his speech, so Nam Shin-III asks Young-hoon to fetch the chairman so he can watch. He can tell that David is upset, and David says there’s something he needs to know.
On her way to the meeting, Ro-ra finds So-bong waiting for her. So-bong gets on her knees to beg Ro-ra to get rid of the kill switch, promising to make sure Nam Shin-III doesn’t hurt her or Shin. Ro-ra isn’t interested in talking, so So-bong threatens to tell everything she knows about how a robot replaced Shin while he was in a coma.
Ro-ra says that will only make her use the kill switch sooner, since she’ll have to prove no such robot exists. She tells So-bong to stay out of it — that Shin will wake up and everything will go back to normal. But So-bong says that everything won’t, since Nam Shin-III will no longer exist.
She asks if this is why Ro-ra created Nam Shin-III, wondering how his mother of twenty years could be so cruel. She accuses Ro-ra of using him while she needed comfort then dumping him, and says she’s not a mother, just a disgustingly self-centered human.
So-bong finds Nam Shin-III practicing his presentation just moments after Chairman Nam enters the room. She ignores everyone else and goes straight to him, and reminds him that he asked what she meant when she told him not to disappear. She says she’ll tell him if he’ll go with her, practically begging.
He asks, “Why?” and she replies honestly, “Because I like you. I just like you. I like you unconditionally. So don’t stay with these people. Go with me.” She grabs his hand to pull him with her and says again that she likes him, but a voice bellows his name. It’s Jong-gil, and he says triumphantly that they need to talk.
Jong-gil says he nearly had him fooled. He points out Ro-ra and says that she’s his mother, but she didn’t give birth to him — she built him. Young-hoon tries to deny what Jong-gil is saying, but Toady walks in… carrying the inert body of little Nam Shin-I.
Jong-gil pulls off the tiny robot’s face to reveal his metal insides, and says that even as Korea’s top AI researcher, he never expected Ro-ra to create a monster. Glaring at Nam Shin-III, he says that if Ro-ra made a young Shin, she could have made an adult one. He asks if Nam Shin-III is a human being, and claims that he’s a robot that just looks like Shin.
He confronts Nam Shin-III, asking if he’ll insist he’s a flesh and blood human, and So-bong begs Nam Shin-III one more time to go with her. But Nam Shin-III violently pulls his hand free of her grip, then smashes his glass into shards.
Everyone gapes at the blood dripping from his hand, and he asks if they’ve never seen a person bleed before. He scoffs at So-bong’s confession in a very Shin-like tone, as blood pours from his injured hand.
COMMENTS
Well, it certainly looks like Shin has woken up and taken his rightful place, but I think it’s still Nam Shin-III, putting on the act of a lifetime. Shin couldn’t possibly have woken up and gotten strong enough to be walking around and putting on a presentation. And remember — Nam Shin-III’s hand needed repairs, so who’s to say that he and David didn’t rig him a new hand that would bleed, just in case of a situation like this? I think this is still Nam Shin-III, though I could be wrong, but that’s my theory.
If they were going to make Ro-ra into a villain, I wish they’d given her some more concrete motivations for why she wants to destroy Nam Shin-III. Right now her reasons for wanting to use Nam Shin-III’s kill switch seem to boil down to “because they can’t both exist,” with no logical reasoning behind it. Even the other characters are expressing disbelief that she would destroy the robot she created and loved for twenty years, and are offering alternate and perfectly reasonable solutions, yet she refuses to listen for no good reason that I can see. I just don’t understand why David can’t take him to live somewhere else, or why they can’t just make Nam Shin-III a new face if the problem is that his resemblance to Shin could cause a problem to Shin himself, since he’s so recognizable. I think I could buy Ro-ra as a villain if I knew why she was so determined to use that kill switch, but without a reason, I’m not sure what to think about her.
I’ve liked David from the beginning, and I waited to comment on his involvement with Chairman Nam because I wanted to get a better idea of where his loyalties lie first. I’m happy that he seems firmly on Nam Shin-III’s side, which only makes sense. Between David, Ro-ra, and Young-hoon, who all concocted the plan to have Nam Shin-III stand in for Shin in the first place, David is the only one who doesn’t really know the human Shin — he may have met Shin while communicating with Chairman Nam, but he’s more invested personally with Nam Shin-III.
It feels like Nam Shin-III has experienced another “growth spurt” of sort in terms of his emotional understanding, at least when it comes to So-bong. I noticed that this time, when he apologized for overstepping her boundaries, he didn’t say he was only saying the words but couldn’t feel them. He simply said he was sorry — through Maibo, but still. Then instead of waiting for So-bong to cry before hugging her, he was able to read her well enough to tell she wanted to cry, and he anticipated that she’d need a hug. He’s still learning and evolving, and David is right that it would be a shame and a waste for them to destroy him just when he’s having some intriguing breakthroughs.
I feel like a broken record, but I was impressed with Seo Kang-joon’s acting all over again in this episode. As soon as the voice-over started at the top of the hour, I knew it was Shin speaking just from the timbre of his voice. Coming from an actor whom I’ve always considered to be just okay, but secretly thought that he was being cast more for his looks than his talent, I’m blown away by his ability to portray two different roles so well that we know immediately who he is just from the expression on his face or the tone of his voice. I don’t know what happened — whether it’s a case of maturity, or if he’s been taking acting lessons, or just the right role and director and script at the right time — but I’m so glad I didn’t pass on this drama. I would have missed a really extraordinary breakout performance by Seo Kang-joon, and I truly hope that this isn’t a one-time phenomenon for him.
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1 joongkicookie
July 18, 2018 at 2:03 PM
That ending shocked me. At first I thought that NS3 must have some blood in his body since when they showed his inner parts, there were red parts as well. But then, I read somewhere that we need to look very carefully to their clothes, and that's when I realized that it's the real Shin! I had to rewatch it though, because that smile totally fooled me.
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joongkicookie
July 18, 2018 at 2:09 PM
Putting the ending aside, my favorite part, at the same time the part that broke my heart the most, was when Nam Shin III asked Young Hoon if they can be friends. HUHU!
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Katrina
July 18, 2018 at 10:19 PM
Every time he gets/feels rejected he just says he's 'kidding' which is such a human reaction. It makes me feel so awful
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mysterious
July 19, 2018 at 7:14 AM
Your right, they are wearing different clothes! I think it's Human Shin as well because even when NS3 was pretending to be Shin, he wasn't that cruel. This level of cruelty must be from Shin.
I wonder if NS3 is using Maibo to monitor So-bong when he can't be with her. How can he tell how much sleep she's had just by touching her? Unless Maibo is monitoring her sleep. I can't help but think there's more to Maibo than meets the eye, especially when he lit up while So-bong was talking about NS3.
I really don't care about most of these characters. I just want So-bong and NS3 to survive and find a way to be together.
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JanJan
July 19, 2018 at 11:44 AM
I too think there has to be something more to Maibo!!!
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2 Katie Mayo
July 18, 2018 at 2:36 PM
I understand Ro-ra's motivation in wanting to destroy NSIII. On the surface it's because he could pose a threat to human Shin's position after he wakes up. But the reason she refuses to hear any alternatives that would allow NSIII to live on is because she feels as though she hast to atone by destroying him. She feels guilty for creating a robot to replace her son and then leaving the human Nam Shin to be raised by his cold grandfather in an obviously dangerous household. She used her intellect, energy and passion to replace her son instead of trying to save him. She feels as though the only way to atone for abandoning him is to destroy NSIII. I don't agree with it but I understand it.
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MaryBee
July 18, 2018 at 3:21 PM
I don't think she abandoned him--like, she was told he'd be killed if she kept trying to get him, so I understand her feeling paralyzed and unable to try. But I do totally agree that this is her trying to atone, as are her extravagant professions of affection to the human and her coldness to the robot. Poor Ro-Ra, she's so brilliant, and yet clearly so wrecked by the terrible things she's been through.
... Of course, all this is very hard lines for NS 3, who has done nothing wrong in his whole life ever. But I'm with you on understanding if not agreeing.
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zitless
July 18, 2018 at 3:49 PM
That's what I totally wanted to point out and (spoiler) in episode 12 this really comes to light. The people who have been positively been affected by Nam Shin III will have some reconciling to do as they try to separate the two Shins, but try as they may they love him for who he is and not who he is supposed to represent. I like the angle the drama is taking from here on and what's worse, we don't know who the real bad guy is, everyone seems to have their own motive, even human shin who I will just wait for the next recap to talk about.
I just love so bong more, she is the only one with pure intentions to wanting to save NS III though it is love it is with understanding that he can't have such feelings, or maybe he could🤔
So many possible directions this drama could take. May not be smooth and but the endless possibilities just excitee
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zitless
July 18, 2018 at 3:50 PM
*excites me the more
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Katrina
July 18, 2018 at 10:23 PM
That's funny I wrote a very similar comment before I read yours. I'm very much in agreement.
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3 bam 🐢🐌💖~
July 18, 2018 at 2:38 PM
My gosh, this episode. I swear, this drama keeps getting better and better. Still flawed in a million ways, but so, so compelling.
My thoughts are all a-jumble today, but I know I definitely want to say this : Seo Kang Joon, you’re utterly fantastic. I remember being so pleasantly surprised over your performance in the first episode, but I had no idea HOW impressed I would be episode after episode. So glad you have another two dramas lined up already.
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missjb
July 18, 2018 at 3:41 PM
Yess.. It's compelling because the character are compelling and at times unpredictable. But still if you analyses behind the surface on their action, you still find the character consistent and their action makes sense. This drama fill with flaws human behaviour. that's what makes it compelling. You know, you can't be perfect human if you have emotion and feeling.
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bam 🐢🐌💖~
July 18, 2018 at 4:05 PM
Definitely!! Well said.
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sweetsour
July 18, 2018 at 5:50 PM
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bam 🐢🐌💖~
July 18, 2018 at 6:38 PM
Yesss! I’m excited about that one. Esom is my hero.
And the other drama is “Something About Us”. The date and the rest of the cast is TBA, but I believe it’s based off of a college-focused webtoon. Sounds very slice-of-lifey. I’m excited. :)
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Katrina
July 18, 2018 at 10:26 PM
I want to see more of him but I will need a gap in time otherwise I'll get mad while watching his new drama for "cheating" on So-bong. Lol
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bam 🐢🐌💖~
July 19, 2018 at 7:32 AM
That’s so true!! I don’t know how I’ll get over this ship!
GSY, get casted in Something About Us, will ya?
JanJan
July 19, 2018 at 1:24 PM
I'm not sure of the information, so correct me if I'm wrong but I read somewhere that he got cast in another drama, but then that drama got dropped. Was it in reference to "Something about us"?
I know for sure that the one with Esom is currently a green light. Isn't that one based off a webtoon too? I'm so confused! I'm sorry if I'm not well aware or informed. I don't follow the celebrity stuff too closely lol
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bam 🐢🐌💖~
July 19, 2018 at 1:28 PM
No worries at all. I follow the news fairly regularly, I don't think I've seen anything about it being dropped. I just looked up the article to reference it a couple days ago, and the details are still in the works, but it doesn't seem to have been dropped. The only one I know that has problems with shelving is Four Men..
JanJan
July 19, 2018 at 1:51 PM
@bammise
Thank you. That's a relief. Thank goodness! It'd be interesting to see the different roles he gets after this show ends too. I'm excited for him! :D
Kinda off topic - I'm secretly wishing that he takes on a vampire role. Is that even trending anymore in kdrama land? Sorry for the randomness but that reference to Twilight someone on youtube made concerning that pool scene...ok, I'll stop with the fantasy. haha
bam 🐢🐌💖~
July 19, 2018 at 1:54 PM
Hahahaha! I must admit I've never been very fond of vampires, but if he played one, I'd watch.
And man, I should change my handle back. My actual @ is @bammsie, but a joke led me to the misspelling as my handle.
4 suk
July 18, 2018 at 2:47 PM
If it was actually the real Shin, then this drama has kind of derailed from the tracks of believable reality. How did Shin wake up, take out his IV and get out of bed, get changed, get in some form of transportation, and arrive at the presentation room all when Jong-gil supposedly found out exactly where he was? Above all, how would the real Shin know that NS3 smiles at SoBong in exactly the way he did? The only inconsistency is that the suit is different (as @joongkicookie mentioned), but I refuse to believe Shin is back! (I haven't watched episode 23/24 yet, so I probably just sound stupid to the rest of you haha). If Shin has miraculously overcome all his medical issues just like that, all hell will break loose for our Shinnamon roll and everybody will be out to get him. And if Shin really was the one to have heard Sobong's confession, I am so so mad for NS3 because he DESERVED to hear Sobong's confession first!
But that's enough complaining. I actually really liked this episode overall, and I agree 100% that Seo Kang-Joon's acting is starting to really shine through. In Cheese in the Trap, his one-dimensional character didn't attract me, and Entourage was really just for the looks. We'll get to see more of his split acting between Shin and NS3 in the coming episodes, as well as lovey dovey times between NS3 and SB, so I'm excited!
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5 MaryBee
July 18, 2018 at 3:14 PM
Thank you for the recap!
I LOVE: how our heroine gets to sweatily work out her love-angst via a punching bag, while our hero sits around beautifully framed in light pining for her call. All the inverted tropes.
I ALSO LOVE: Young Hoon, reluctant big bro. Thank god for his poker face, because he's clearly screaming inside sometimes. 'Did that robot just compare his bond with his lady friend, whom I have seen him make out with and who he constantly engages in tearful hugs with and drifts into visions of her beautiful face, to MY bond with MY BOSS? Does the robot know I tenderly held my boss's hand while he was in a coma?! Did that robot just ask me tragically why his girlfriend hasn't called him back? STAY CHILL YOUNG HOON.' (I do ship it. But also I know they won't go there. And other ships also allure me.)
I do think Ro Ra's kill switch talk is largely emotional: she feels so guilty about her undeniably screwed over (not by her!) son, and she feels the impulse to blot out what she considers now a betrayal of him. She'll live only for Human Shin! She'll set her own genius and her past life on fire! She'll do whatever! She's so sorry! She doesn't consider Shinnamon Twist as a separate individual, or she doesn't want to, but I think there's love there--only her denial of that love is fueling her desperation. But the show does keep everyone's motives very opaque, and then lets them surprise you multiple times over. I trust no-one! I still eye David, in cahoots with the kidnapper, with suspicion... but I do think Ro Ra showed signs of weakening and being talked around to David taking Shinnabun away. Except we see her divided heart there again: a) she sees him as a child dependent on her due to his robot nature, who can't be parted from her (the child she lost, frozen in time by her own trauma), but b) she knows him well enough to know he won't want to be sent away, that the robot who longed to go to market will want to stay among people he's attached to. He could always build a life in the Czech Republic, mind you... and I think he would if So Bong would go with him. Conversely, I don't think he would leave her, and I certainly see why Ro Ra isn't considering her robot son eloping with his lady friend. Though as we're seeing, So Bong's love is pretty clear to eeeeveeryone.
I thought Seo Kang Joon was super duper lovable in Cheese in the Trap, and I had SLS something awful. And I also really liked Gong Seung Yeon in My Only Love Song (she is so good at flawed but feisty characters, and I love a flawed lady). I watched because I wanted to see them do well together, and because of the cool premise. But I too am surprised by what a great pair they are (the hugging scene was SO good), and especially by SKJ, who never forgets to add robot nuance, bless his inhuman head-tilts. Seeing an actor play two characters in the same show is such a big test--either they fail horribly, or they wow you, in my experience. Definitely...
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MaryBee
July 18, 2018 at 3:16 PM
(oh, how I do go on) Definitely wowed here! I love that Shinnamon Crumb Cake, and I am open to loving Human Shin too, since they're doing such a good job with flawed, complex characters.
I have a very dark feeling about the fate of our Shinnamon Apple Tart, though. Oh, evil grandpa. He sets up rivals to test his heirs, and that led to Ye-Na's evil dad eviling it up all over the place and Human Shin's dad dead. Then he set up Young Hoon and Human Shin, but against the odds those two formed a real (if difficult) bond. But Evil Grandpa stepped up his game and had another, inhumanly perfect, rival built... Stay safe and don't even think about any noble sacrifices, Shinnamon Sugar Waffle. So Bong loves you!
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LollyPip
July 18, 2018 at 6:25 PM
I was snort-laughing by the time I got to Shinnamon Sugar Waffle, lol!
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zgs1994
July 19, 2018 at 12:24 AM
I will now be stealing all of your Shinnaon dessert inspired nicknames. :D
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laladaisical
July 18, 2018 at 6:25 PM
Inverted tropes are my favorite, and AYHT is doing it right. My favorite inversion? So-bong just striding into that conference hall and admitting her feelings, complete with a wrist grab. Honestly, more female-initiated wrist grabs.
Young-hoon definitely sublimated his romantic feelings for human Shin into just-two-close-bros feelings. Doesn't matter if they won't go there -- we know the truth.
My favorite scene and SLS trigger in CITT is when they race to the convenience store in the rain. Sigh. What could have been.
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🍭 losersoap | Fellowship of the Robot
July 18, 2018 at 6:38 PM
definitely a great moment in citt but consider the piano lesson my heart never recovered
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MaryBee
July 18, 2018 at 7:05 PM
She is as brave and fierce as a lion, admitting it in front of everyone--the Chairman must have been like 'what can't this robot do!'
Oh, the rain scene, I loved that. I also loved when KGE was trailing sadly home, and the lead was trailing her, and SKJ rushed up to her, then walked slower so she'd catch up to him, and they both smiled. I'm not against asshole male leads, or female for that matter, but I so like when people make an effort for each other and make each other smile, and her smiling after being wretched was so satisfying!
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Kelly-k
July 18, 2018 at 11:51 PM
"'Did that robot just compare his bond with his lady friend, whom I have seen him make out with and who he constantly engages in tearful hugs with and drifts into visions of her beautiful face, to MY bond with MY BOSS? Does the robot know I tenderly held my boss's hand while he was in a coma?! Did that robot just ask me tragically why his girlfriend hasn't called him back? STAY CHILL YOUNG HOON.' (I do ship it. But also I know they won't go there. And other ships also allure me.)"
😂😂😂 I thought I was the only one who was thinking this 。。。。Like I said before I feel he is in love with shin 。。。
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July 19, 2018 at 1:43 AM
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Yuki
July 19, 2018 at 2:07 AM
Yep, the moment he lifted his head and looked at Seo in the eyes...wow, you could feel all that anger inside him, he was like a pressure cooker about to explode. And then the way he got rid of So Bong's hand, then I thought it was Namshin for sure. I was as shocked as the rest of the people in that room. It's one of the best cliffhangers I've seen.
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JanJan
July 19, 2018 at 11:56 AM
omg, yes, yes, yes, yes!!! My thoughts concerning NS are exactly like yours!!! You said everything that I was thinking so I'm not going to reiterate..or maybe I should? hahaha I'll say this: I'm so throughly impressed and blown away by Seo Kang Joon's acting! Wow...I watched the ending scene over and over so many times too...haha
"SKJ actually created 3 characters! & it makes sense to me now why everyone was so paranoid about NSIII getting caught. To us viewers who had not been acquainted with NS, NSIII seemed to be pulling it off flawlessly. But I know now - NSIII's acting was severely lacking, understandably so, since he only knows him very two dimensionally & how could he ever understand the complexity of human emotions on the darker end?"
But yes, I agree with this!!! Girl (I'm going to assume you're a girl haha), I need to hear your thoughts about NS on episode 23-24 later! hahaha
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6 LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
July 18, 2018 at 3:21 PM
The writing of this episode was definitely a step up but that ending was just bad. Also, I think So-bong and NSW3 Mum's had the same kill switch conversation about four times.
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🍭 losersoap | Fellowship of the Robot
July 18, 2018 at 3:57 PM
but each time more desperate than the last! there's something biblical about the way Sobong approaches her.
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7 WishfulToki
July 18, 2018 at 3:24 PM
So, I could only read "Nam Shin-III is running out of time" and had to stop and grab more tissues. *sobs quietly for a while*
*cough* I can't comment here without mentioning spoilers for ep. 12, so 2 superficial comments:
1) Reporter Jo: It makes no sense that she'd give up on the story of a lifetime, but human beings are contradictory creatures. Or maybe she discovered the meaning of friendship while running away from kpop fans. Whatever.
2) YOUNG-HOON LET HIM CALL YOU HYUNG!
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MaryBee
July 18, 2018 at 3:35 PM
I toooootally want Young Hoon to let Shinnamon call him hyung, but I do see Young Hoon's point. Young Hoon is a reserved dude, plus he clearly feels terrible about getting fond of a robot while his friend is in a bad way (not to mention the complicated stuff whereby said robot has his friend's face, and is nicer to everyone). Plus, important factor number three, Young Hoon went bug-eyed when Shinnabest asked if Human Shin would like him. I'm just saying, Young Hoon may be envisioning a scenario where a Certain Someone beholds Shinnamon calling YH hyung, and then BLOOD RAINS FROM THE SKIES.
Yet I wish for it. Congrats again, SKJ, for making me invest in several different relationships for your two characters!
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Kelly-k
July 18, 2018 at 11:56 PM
is it bad of me for wanting it to rain blood 。。。
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Cloggie
July 19, 2018 at 1:06 AM
Plus (reason 4) how can he have Shinnamon call him hyung when they're talking about destroying him? How can he let him get that close and discuss killing him at the same time?
He's desperately trying to keep his distance (and failing) and I love that.
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suk
July 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM
"She discovered the meaning of friendship while running away from kpop fans" Ironic. Nicely stated.
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8 missjb
July 18, 2018 at 3:27 PM
I was predicting he is the real Nam Shin. NS 3 can be able to pull off manipulative plan, but still never crossing the line to make it more convincing. He will never treat So Boong to that extent. Second, the angry emotion is more apparent and raw. Third, the clothes.
And if he is really the real NS. It means, he is melting abit hearing So Boong confession towadrs him. Lmaoooo
Poor guy, he might be hoping there is someone who will love him unconditionally and not expecting anything in return.
The first epilogue of Real Nam Sin voiceover is quite chilling and surprising. My God. He is already makes NS3 as his rival. Imagine of what his reaction when knowing his grandpa prefer NS3.
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WishfulToki
July 18, 2018 at 3:44 PM
*off to re-watch that ending for the 10th time to see if NS melts at So Bong's confession*
That epilogue: I nearly fell back in my chair. Seo Kang Joon has so thoroughly convinced me he's a gentle robot that I was shocked to hear his voice sound so chilling. O.O
I'm astounded at Seo Kang Joon's performance. I always liked him (CITT, Cunning Single Lady, the school web drama that shall not be mentioned), but here he's just WOW asdljalskjdladg *goes into incoherent gibberish*
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MaryBee
July 18, 2018 at 3:55 PM
Why does grandpa constantly have to play rival chess with human and robot pieces, oh why!
I was about to say, oh anyone might be moved by being told he was liked about twelve times, but then Human NS is used to Ye Na who isn't exactly shy about her affection. (Human NS might just be like, oops, another victim slain by the face, guess it's Tuesday.) But then, it's different since SB so clearly, explicitly wanted only his company and his good, and nothing else, while Ye Na has always been pushing to marry him (and that comes with hella benefits). We know Human NS wants unconditional love, because we saw him looking for his mom. And it's different if he's attracted to So Bong and not attracted to Ye Na, though who can say on that front? Who can say about anything!
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🍭 losersoap | Fellowship of the Robot
July 18, 2018 at 4:06 PM
I very much doubt that he's attracted to Sobong. to me, he's a creature of jealousy and I think most of his actions are going to be motivated by envy.
he doesn't melt at her confession, but at what it represents. it means that someone could live his life better than he did: win over the person who hated him, for instance.
my interpretation, at least.
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MaryBee
July 18, 2018 at 4:20 PM
That's a great interpretation! I have no idea what he might have felt--maybe a mix of everything (envy, spite, longing, shock, fury). Jealousy is really understandable, especially if you start from the premise of this robot got the life (with his mom) the human always wanted.
I guess attraction springs to my mind as it'll be a real issue going forward. As a human, unless he's asexual, Human Shin presumably can be attracted to someone (whether that be So Bong, Young Hoon, Ye Na, or a wild assortment of pop stars), and SB thinks the guy she loves can't be. I wouldn't mind Human Shin complicating up their relationship, though I am definitely loyal to the SoShinnamon OTP.
🍭 losersoap | Fellowship of the Robot
July 18, 2018 at 4:30 PM
asexuals can be attracted to other people, just not sexually. I personally read him as a repressed gay man. (he doesn't know what looooove iiiiiiiis, I want Young Hoon to shoooow hiiiiiim.)
spot-on emotional cocktail tbh, but to me the longing isn't directed at SB as a person. or rather it better not be.
WishfulToki
July 18, 2018 at 4:51 PM
*spoiler alert* I re-watched the scene, and I don't think he's melting. It's more amazement, probably leading next to jealousy and rage that Robo Shin is "stealing" everyone from him: Mummy dear, Young-Hoon bro, and So Bong, who's changed from traitorous bodyguard into loyal girlfriend *tears*.
At least he has Ye-Na. He can keep her. Pfffft.
missjb
July 18, 2018 at 5:43 PM
@wishfultoki I think Nam shin is one of the most challenging roles Seo Kang Joon has ever played. He is admitting it's difficult to play dual roles with extreme different personality.
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9 theimprintonmynose
July 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM
"Who do you think you are?" by that one line, I already know how much of an a**hole char he is. Not surprising given this is the same guy who hit so bong in the first ep.. I was waiting for this recap to comment on this. ^
Anyways, as opposed to how others pointed it, my own theory of why Ro Ra was intent on using the kill switch is that deep down inside (and despite being separated from her son for so long), she probably knows how human shin will react if he finds out he was 'replaced' by a robort. She knew he will not like it and will not take it kindly. He'd be hurt and maybe put a strain in their relationship.
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PakalanaPikake
July 19, 2018 at 12:04 PM
@phonytales theimprintonmynose,
I agree with your reasoning for why RoRa was intent on getting rid of NS3. Wasn't there a scene in the first episode in which she was giving a presentation at a conference, and joked about wishing her obstreperous son was obedient like a robot? The little kid jumped up in the front row and vocally voiced his dissent. (That was right before he was kidnapped.) Judging by his reaction, his adult self would be very angry to learn that she had indeed replaced him with a robot.
Thanks for pointing that out. Her insistence on getting rid of NS3 has bothered me as cold and cruel, especially after carefully upgrading his hardware while living with him for 20 years. Getting rid of the evidence of her literal duplicity makes it much more believable to me.
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JanJan
July 19, 2018 at 12:07 PM
omg yes!!!
There is this scene (I don't remember which episode) where David wonders furiously to Ro Ra something along this line, "Do you want to kill him because you think they're (two Shins) going to turn against each other? You're crazy to even think that!"
I thought she was crazy at the time too but now I think her mother's instinct might've been more correct... And you know with instinct, it's not something logical or rational. Instinct is just a feeling...but is it a feeling like emotion?? Hm....okay I better not derail myself in overthinking too much. haha
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10 🍭 losersoap | Fellowship of the Robot
July 18, 2018 at 4:23 PM
I knew my SKJ could do it! ok ok I didn't know he was on this level of acting but who did?!
human Shin's face seems stuck in a permanent scowl, his eyes are colder and narrower. he emotes through his jaw and SKJ doesn't try to control his face that much when he's him, so there are more half-emotions playing on his face. random twitches and such.
Shinnamon's default look is curious and innocent. His face is mostly blank most of the time but the muscles around his eyes are relaxed and it makes him look softer and kinder.
my observations at least. that's how I'd try to describe them in a fic that I'm most definitely not writing.
sorry for being an arrogant asshole this week anyway, lol. I'm still angry at the plot twist. his smile at Sobong threw me off completely.
I shipped it for like half a second.
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MaryBee
July 18, 2018 at 4:46 PM
From above: I totally should've clarified I meant romantic and sexual attraction, sorry! SB doesn't know if Shinnamon can feel either, though he is platonically drawn to people. (Mom, David, her, adorably wishes to befriend Young Hoon). But she'd presume Human Shin can. (And I do love your reading. Jeez that would be a situation, since then he'd be kidnapped into a life where he couldn't be out as well as everything else. Simmering fury fully justified! Operation Find Mom and Perhaps A Gay Club in the Czech Republic, ruined by a truck! Er... sorry for this tangent.)
Also, great acting observations! I will now be watching out for eye muscles and random twitches. ;)
I know it was probably just to throw off the audience, but what was that smile?! Could he have been trying to test her and see what she'd do? Grandpa instilled some lessons, one sees.
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🍭 losersoap | Fellowship of the Robot
July 18, 2018 at 4:52 PM
why arent you on DB and ruining my schedule with your posts again?? I snorted like 4 times reading this. ily.
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MaryBee
July 18, 2018 at 5:20 PM
I tell myself I'm just here for AYHT chatter and then I'll totally return to lurking... maybe that's a lie!
I heart your thoughts too! Excellent to see all the clever observations rather than sitting with my own brain presenting me with not-useful thoughts like 'Would it be more tragic if Human Shin and Young Hoon were both secretly pining in their own way (YH stoic, HS tantrum-y), or were totally already boyfriends BUT couldn't trust each other?' or 'How wild is the gossip pool at their work now, what with cancelled weddings, torrid bodyguard flings, and people pretending to have dementia and carrying about robot children?'
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Jules
July 18, 2018 at 6:56 PM
It would be a great parallel if YH is pining for Dogshin and SB is pining for Shinammon, both Shins being unable to love in the way the others need.
Honestly, though, I would love it if the show keeps going with the SB/Shinammon love story with all the complications that it creates without creating a robot with complex emotions or switching in the other Shin. It creates a truly interesting angst. But I'm probably in the minority.
Kelly-k
July 19, 2018 at 12:12 AM
just remember to email the fic you are definitely not writing... I will Like to not read it... 😏😏
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PakalanaPikake
July 19, 2018 at 12:14 PM
@vivanesca losersoap,
Your descriptions of NS's and NS3's default facial expressions are spot on. Shinbot strikes me as looking curiously amused, and definitely kind.
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🍭 losersoap | Fellowship of the Robot
July 19, 2018 at 12:24 PM
your praise means the world to me tbh
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PakalanaPikake
July 19, 2018 at 2:54 PM
I calls it like I sees it. ;-)
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JanJan
July 19, 2018 at 12:22 PM
I think that's the irony.
You have human Shin whose personality is quite cold but on the contrary, he's quite emotive. He's very expressive not only with his jaws but with his eyes, lips, voice and body as well. Despite being a cold character, he's not your typical cold, expressionless, aloof, hard to read character, instead, he is actually full of emotions.
Then here's the contrast, you have Robot Shin who is mostly "blank" but for some reason - less expressive however, he emits more warmth. How? We understand this by his actions - the things that he does for others: his protection of So Bong, his understanding of Ro Ra's guilt, his attempted connection with Young Hoon, all of these display his caring personality, despite having little to no expression.
This irony all seems to say that you can't just judge people based on what you see and hear, and that people may not be what you think they are which I think is actually one of the questions this series brings up but is overlooked.
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🍭 losersoap | Fellowship of the Robot
July 19, 2018 at 2:53 PM
good point! a lot of good points!
it's definitely ironic that Shinnamon is a better human being that OriShinal, but Orishinal is still very much a living, feeling, living creature despite his attitude. no matter how hard he tries, he can't be more reserved and calculating than a robot, who ends up being anything but. what's the use, then?
so far, the only character who has left her box is Sobong, everyone else is very much a "what you see is what you get" deal.
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JanJan
July 19, 2018 at 3:25 PM
"everyone else is very much a "what you see is what you get" deal"
Hm...I believe not necessarily. I think what So Bong said awhile back about "humans don't reveal their true selves" is true in regards to all these characters. We, as the viewer is very aware of the character's motives, so yes, to us what we see is pretty much what we get because we are the viewer. However, if you put yourself in their shoes - that is, in the character's shoes, it's pretty hard to know what others are actually thinking of. Say, for example if you were So Bong, how would you know what Jong-gil is thinking or what Ro Ra is thinking? You only care about RoboShin so you are limited in information concerning human Shin's and RoboShin's interactions between them. Then if you look at Ro Ra, you'd be confused as to why RoboShin isn't listening to you too because you're not privy to the relationship RoboShin is developing with So Bong and so forth. Then if you look at the premise of the show, it is about deception too. It's about a robot that pretends to be human...and then you have the Chairman pretending to have dementia...you have Young Hoon pretending not to like Shin...the list goes on.
Also did you noticed that certain characters actually narrate in the beginning of certain episodes? Like we'll hear RoboShin's thoughts at the beginning but that same character doesn't narrate in the next episode. Instead there will either be no character narrating or it will be someone different. Why? Again, I think that was intended to show us the various perspectives that exists on the show, telling us that we as the viewer really don't know what goes on in the mind of these characters nor do we actually see everything the first time. Of course, these are just my speculations....and maybe it's me overthinking again because I'm too emotionally invested. hahaha
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PakalanaPikake
July 19, 2018 at 4:20 PM
@janjan18 JanJan,
Thank you for your observations. I think this is pointing to the difference between "natural" human emotions and their robotic analogue, along with the role of memory in shaping personality. "Nature versus nurture" is part of the equation, too.
From what I can see, Nam Shin was an outspoken little fellow when he was a child. Being kidnapped and threatened by his grandfather, and growing up in the shark frenzy that passed for the Nam family, had to have warped him. His dad's death would have been another trauma, along with his mother's forced abandonment. Growing up in proximity to Seo Jong-gil would have been enough to make anyone paranoid and distrustful.
In a healthy family, children learn to trust that their needs will be met by their parents. When they are older and capable, they learn how to take care of themselves. They have role models who teach them how to communicate and behave, and basically become civilized. Learning self-control and how to establish and respect boundaries are important lessons, and often involve tough love on the part of adults. Children learn how to identify and appropriately express their feelings. If they're lucky, they grow up to be interdependent people who are capable judges of character, with the ability to clearly and thoughtfully communicate with others. An important part of communication is learning the difference between reacting and responding.
Human Shin did not grow up in a healthy environment after he was taken from his parents. Living at Chez Nam would have been like growing up in a war zone. Hiding one's thoughts and feelings would have been the only way to survive. Trust would have been a vulnerability. I doubt that anyone -- aside from Young-hoon -- would have reined him in in a compassionate way. Much of the time, I suspect that he lashes out and does not give a darn whether he hurts anyone's feelings. But he is also intelligent, and capable of modulating his emotions to gain an advantage over others when it suits him. From what I've seen, he comes across as angry. I wonder which emotions are concealed beneath that armor.
Shinbot allegedly does not have emotions. He's got algorithms. Instead of knee-jerk reactions, I see his interpersonal communication programming as more closely resembling measured response in combination with querying/observing for feedback. He pays close attention to the other party in a way that reminds me of active listening, whereas his namesake doesn't give a darn about the other person – unless he's yanking their chain.
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JanJan
July 20, 2018 at 12:07 AM
yes! I agree with everything you said like 1000% to the 100th power. Why am I even talking numbers here? lol
Anyways, this is going to be a long post (my passion knows no limit! lol), so you're warned. I think that is why I find human Shin so fascinating because of that "nature vs nurture" equation. I think it's actually his ability to survive that makes him human (like figuratively and literally). To me this show is asking me to redefine my definition of being human. From what I have inferred, the drama doesn't seem to say that it's about emotion, self awareness, identity, compassion or humanity, but rather, being human is an act of survival - it is you having survived your environment. It is you, as a person, fighting your own battles, winning some and losing some (and this is something I've mentioned in past recaps concerning So Bong's character, she's a fighter for a reason). With human Shin, I can tell he's constantly in conflict/battle with himself. I think what he ultimately wants is love and acceptance, however, he's scared to be vulnerable due to his upbringing so he pushes people away but then gets upset when they keep their distance. He can lash out because he doesn't care but I think he purposely lash to test people's button, to see how they'd truly react. He seeks attention (while trying to avoid attention at the same time by not wanting to be CEO) precisely because he craves love...this unconditional love...
Which is something So Bong gave to Robot Shin.
And speaking of Robot Shin, if we take on this concept that Robot Shin is capable of understanding emotions, I saw that due to the environment (So Bong getting kidnapped, Chairman Nam's threats to So Bong, Young Hoon's scolding that he stays put), Robot Shin will act very much like human Shin - angry, manipulative and calculating as a response to protect what is his. This implies that environment plays a role in shaping personality and I fear what he'll become with human Shin in the picture.
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JanJan
July 20, 2018 at 12:18 AM
It's also interesting to me that human Shin refers to Robot Shin as his "clone", and "that thing" (I laughed when human Shin referred to himself as the original) and not necessarily calling Robot Shin a robot.
In some ways, I hope that Robot Shin mirrors to human Shin how to recieve the love he craves...which is, in order to recieve love, you have to love yourself first...like love the Robot Shin literally since he sees it as a clone or an extension of himself.
From the nature perspective - I'd say that Robot Shin's programming is what made him "human". That algorithm and programming is what I think will prevent him from becoming that angry, unhappy human Shin. But I guess we shall see! I'll be holding my breath as I continue to watch.
PakalanaPikake
July 20, 2018 at 2:56 AM
@jan@janjan18 JanJan,
Thank you! You've opened an interesting can of worms that is prompting me to cogitate upon a response. It will take a while. ;-)
11 larelle79
July 18, 2018 at 5:10 PM
How can anyone think that was NSIII at the end.
Even as Human Shin, he would not have said anything so cruel to So-bong.
And also, the suits are completely different. Completely. Not even a similarly.
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12 empressblue
July 18, 2018 at 6:38 PM
My comment on the last part: "OH! SHE CONFESSED!!! Come with her!!! (If you're Shin III that is...)"
If he really was our Shinnamon Roll, he would've stood the moment she told him to come away with her. What a waste of a beautiful confession...
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GSY_SKJ
July 18, 2018 at 8:43 PM
I agree and he doesn't have his watch on
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PakalanaPikake
July 19, 2018 at 12:24 PM
@12345abc GSY_SKJ,
Great catch! I hadn't thought to look for his watch.
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13 laladaisical
July 18, 2018 at 6:53 PM
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14 laladaisical
July 18, 2018 at 6:56 PM
Re-posted because I can't do HTML code.
Really, really, really loving Seo Kang-joon in this. He's giving me Tatiana Maslany (Orphan Black) and Ji Sung (KMHM) vibes. Just an amazing performance.
I absolutely adore So-bong. I actually had to pause the stream because I was flailing too hard when she confronted Ro-ra. It is so refreshing to see the principal female own her feelings and follow through on them. I love how fearless her character is, even when she believes she's being weak. I am here for her, for the Tin Can romance, and her advocating. for. her. man. LOVE IT.
This show keeps me guessing. Every cliffhanger, every reveal further cements the intelligence behind the writing. It's like watching living chess. Or Go?
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15 Robotss
July 18, 2018 at 8:00 PM
Ugh, can I just say how fitting it was to have So-Bong confess to Nam Shin III first? It fits her narrative/growth very well and I'm so very proud of her. Not to mention the inverted trope. Even if she confessed to the wrong guy,lol.
Young Hoon should love a better man (or robot). I can't stand Nam Shin with his "i had a terrible childhood so woe is me and therefore i can be an asshole".
SKJ acting is pretty good in the show- although he definitely still needs work on his enunciation, but his expressions and overall mannerisms are on point.
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16 lemoncello
July 18, 2018 at 8:12 PM
Shinamon is a futuristic boyfriend. Instead of giving you a doll - like in most K-dramas - he would give you A MINI ROBOT!!! :)
I'm wondering how Maibo ended up in the trash? the last time I saw Maibo was he was with Reporter Jo, and Jo gave him "I'm watching you" sign, LoL.
The more I look NS3's eyes, the more I feel pain. I know he's just a robot, and it's just a drama, he's eyes look so pure and sincere.
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WishfulToki
July 19, 2018 at 3:45 AM
I was wondering about it too... did Maibo try to walk out of the room to give SoBong some space and landed in the rubbish?
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Cloggie
July 19, 2018 at 4:42 AM
I thought that RoboShin made Maibo walk into the trash, as he had promised he was going to stopping monitoring So Bong.
(still thinking that Maibo really was a camera)
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Lixie
July 19, 2018 at 7:43 AM
Yes, that's what happened. Loved that. made perfect sense.
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PakalanaPikake
July 19, 2018 at 12:19 PM
@cloggie,
Aha... So NS3 made poor little Maibo walk the plank. I'm glad So-bong retrieved him. It's not his fault he's a ro... Where have I heard this before?!
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Cloggie
July 19, 2018 at 12:32 PM
What was it he said? That robots had to be useful otherwise ... well... they get put out with the trash
If my Maibo theory (I like that DF subs it as My bo) is correct, then it means RoboShin is also aware of the kill switch.
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PakalanaPikake
July 19, 2018 at 1:15 PM
@cloggie,
Right -- if robots don't have a use, they have no reason to exist. I can think of a couple of human characters who would go "poof!" according to that criterium. LOL.
I've thought all along that it would be weird if Shinbot were unaware of the kill switch. He seems to believe that utilitarian statement that robots have to be useful in order to have a reason to exist. Maybe his next growth spurt will entail a shift in his self-awareness that rejects that notion, or redefines "useful." I could see him coming to understand that So-bong's caring for him is an expression of his usefulness to her. As long as at least one person deems him useful, he has a reason to exist. It would add a new twist to that oft-heard Kdrama question, "Who am I to you?"
Cloggie
July 19, 2018 at 1:56 PM
Right @pakalanapikake. I'm waiting for the scene where So bong tells him about the kill switch in this Big Reveal, and he's going to go all: yeah, I knew that ages ago.
I still feel that all of them are underestimating him...
Plus, if his #1 rule is: make sure So Bong doesn't get hurt, he clearly can't allow anybody to 'disappear' him pro-actively because that would definitely hurt her.
PakalanaPikake
July 19, 2018 at 2:46 PM
@cloggie July 19, 2018 at 1:56 PM
Amen to everyone on Team NS3 underestimating Shinbot. However, they really are doing their darnedest to spare his feelings, which to me says they care very deeply about him. It's the exact thing that humans do to other humans to "protect" them from unpleasant realities...
On the other hand, are they ever going to feel dumb when he yawns at the Big Bad Secret. He will probably have already isolated his circuits. For all we know, he has already transmitted a highly-focused electromagnetic pulse to preemptively fry the kill switch's circuits. He's too nice a robot to hotwire the kill switch so that it fries whomever pushes the button. But maybe he's turn it into a joy buzzer, just for a lark. Neener, neener, Mom. No hard feelings. ;-)
That's a good point about Shinbot's #1 rule about protecting So-bong. Yup, he'll protect himself to protect her.
JanJan
July 19, 2018 at 3:53 PM
@PakalanaPikake
Omg that shift in self-awareness that redefines "useful". That's a very good point!! And yes I agree 1000% to your statment here: "It would add a new twist to that oft-heard Kdrama question, "Who am I to you?"
And yes, I'm waiting for the moment when Robot Shin reveals that he already knew the kill switch existed and is probably thinking of alternatives. I mean that's what we see him doing, finding the proper outcome to a certain set of circumstances so far. I believe the alternative has to do with that anti-hacking chip technology that they speak of and Maibo but I can't really speculate at this point how they're going to incorporate that in.
*spoiler* So there's like these lines that Roboshin (atleast I think it's him) says in the 7 minute trailer at like the very beginning, which has me anticipating the things to come and it seems to hint at this shift that you speak of. I'm waiting to see pure shock from all the humans. Heck, I'm probably going to be just as shocked as well! hahaha
17 GSY_SKJ
July 18, 2018 at 9:00 PM
First... just like everyone else, I want to praise our shinnamon for his acting! This is the first drama that I've seen of him. I actually came for Seung yeon XD ( I am clearly obsessed that I want them to star another drama together) okay onto review
Finally after long denials, Sobong admitted her feelings. She is one of those we call tsundere in japanse (as much as I know) her vharacter growth from episode one to epsidoe twelve is so good that made the drama even better! And she and david are the only ones who care for shinnamon, we can add younghoon to the list (he is still in denial that he cares for our robo boy) the thing about sobong is, she cares for namnshin 3 in a way she goes so emotional that up to the point she uses words that she doesn't mean. Or is it just me. I love the way she stands up now, she does not let anyone get in her way in protecting namnshin3. That people, is one of the unique heroines we have in korean dramas. She would go all out just for nam shin. I love the way she strides inside the room and confessed and holds namshin's hand despite not knowing he is the human one.
Kangjoon's expression was so great that he sent me chills when he said "you like me? Who do you think you are"
As for Yena, I am still waiting for her character growth XD at first, i think she would go out from her obsession mode but it seems she would not. Poor girl, she is one of the victims in the game that everyone is playing
Grandpa nam is one hell of a player, he is so good in manipulating people that the others did not realize that they are being played or manipulated. Lol
And as for Laura, i really don't think she is that bad, she cares for the both of them but delivers it in a wrong way. Yes, she is so adamant in using the kill switch but come to think of it, she hates sobong whom namshin3 is so attached to. Parents are like that (base on my observations) they are protective of their children.
As for the last part. I am convinced that the namshin before sobong is the human one, his tone, his posture, his expression, his changing of clothes and he is not wearing his watch.
Whooo that was long XD i applaud every cast for theur great acting! Even the supporting ones :) Mr Seo's expression is really great that he pisses me off xD kudos to the leads they pulled off their characters so well despite knowing they are acting together with veterans ^-^
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JanJan
July 19, 2018 at 12:27 PM
I'm waiting for Yena's character growth as well too!!! I can't predict how it's going to happen but I hope to see it as well.
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GSY_SKJ
July 19, 2018 at 8:15 PM
This show is too hard to predict! 😁😁😁😁
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18 zgs1994
July 18, 2018 at 9:44 PM
@lollypip i'm right there tooting the Seo Kang Joon horn with you!
He's done an amazeballs job with this drama!
Absolutely superb!
AND DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON SHINNAMON!
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19 Katrina
July 18, 2018 at 10:16 PM
I don't care for Ro-ra at all but I can see guilt as being a motivator for her desire to end poor Nam shin III, I'm sure when she sees her actual son she has to admit that she at least part of the time accepted him(NSIII) as her son to the exclusion of her real flesh and blood otherwise why didnt she make an effort to become a part of her sons life, the reasoning that her absence was safer for him only goes so far, he's obviously been of age for years and if he didnt go looking for her she might have just not bothered. Mourning a son lost to you is alot easier than facing a son who has every right to be pissed because you never come back for him.
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20 GSY_SKJ
July 18, 2018 at 10:36 PM
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21 Fatcat007 (Kitty 💜)
July 18, 2018 at 10:39 PM
The ending had us all shinnabongers in complete shock 🤯
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22 dany
July 18, 2018 at 11:16 PM
Ommo, ommo, what an episode, that ending....
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dany
July 19, 2018 at 2:30 AM
I want to also thank you for the recap and I totally agree with you about Seo kang joon's improvement regarding his acting skills. He 's great.
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23 Yuki
July 19, 2018 at 1:32 AM
Just dropping by to express my undying love for Seo Kang Joon ❤️❤️❤️ from now on. He's just perfect here. That cliffhanger left me shook, speechless. And it was thanks to his great acting. And also thinking that So Bong might have confessed to the wrong Shin, ahhhhh!!! 😱
I'm having a great time with this show, and enjoying every part of it lately. It keeps getting better and better. The couple is getting cuter as their relationship progress and we are seeing more of every character. And finally it seems that Shin will be back in the game soon, so it will be even more interesting. I'm addicted to this show.
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JanJan
July 19, 2018 at 12:29 PM
You've just got addicted? hahaha I've been addicted since episode 1...oops, sorry for the confession. :P
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24 Cloggie
July 19, 2018 at 2:14 AM
I'm suddenly truly grateful that my mum isn't an AI genius and therefore was incapable of creating a happy & totally compliant version of me.
I can just imagine waking up from a coma, and everybody around me say: oh but Cloggie, this other version of you is just so much nicer
And I'm not even a raging ball of fury (most of the times)
Thanks mum!
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transient
July 19, 2018 at 2:40 AM
You should use this in your Mother Day card.
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dany
July 19, 2018 at 4:15 AM
The real Shin is a jerk, true, but I think he is just ... human, and our Roboshin is just too perfect.
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Sam
July 22, 2018 at 11:39 AM
wow that comment!
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Sam
July 22, 2018 at 12:07 PM
I wish Ro Ra would think like this once :D
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25 missjb
July 19, 2018 at 6:04 AM
For my experience, Seo Kang Joon has something promising in him since I'm watching him in CITT.. He show wide range of emotion and sincerity there. Not too fond of his acting before Hwajung, So I understand the naysayer who said he can't act. But His acting looks so natural and complement Kim Go Eun acting so well in CITT, It's for me is his breakthrough role.
The show of his acting as human Nam Shin make me wish he get cast in Lee Kyung Hee drama and be angsty male lead behind those mask. He will make Lee Kyung Hee character so compelling!
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26 JanJan
July 19, 2018 at 12:47 PM
Can humans fall in love with a robot? This episode says yes! haha Clearly, we as humans are the ones with the feelings, so yes, we can fall in love but does that mean a robot can reciprocate that? I guess we shall find out as the story progresses...
Anyways, I've been waiting for this episode for weeks. I've been waiting to see Nam Shin wake up and I'm not disappointed! I never imagined that he would enter the story like that but then after, like, rewatching it for the 100th time (yes I'm obsess haha), it does make sense. Nam Shin is an attention seeker just like Yena - whether he realizes that or not - and makes a very grand entrance, just like how he made a grand exit in episode one (by slapping So Bong at the airport and causing a scene).
Interestingly enough, we see Nam Shin bleeding again! The last we saw of him was him bleeding to death and now we see him again bleeding as proof of his liveliness. Is blood metaphorical here? And if so, to what reference?
I'll also echo the excitement of others in that I agree the episodes are getting better. I feel like the story is moving rather quickly now and I have no idea where it'll go. My mind is throwing out so many ideas...oh the possibility! All I know is that I'll be sad when it's over and I'll impatiently wait for Seo Kang Joon's new drama...or just rewatch this series again as I wait. haha
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27 PakalanaPikake
July 19, 2018 at 12:54 PM
Thanks for your recap and comments, LollyPip!
Now that wetware Nam Shin is back from his vacation in comaland, things will get messy for Shinbot and his friends. (Speaking of which, whatever happened to Little Chingu? Is Roomba still back at Chez Nam?)
Reporter Jo continues to ruffle my tailfeathers. Grrr.
Seo Kang-joon is hitting it out of the ballpark with his triple role as NS3 and his human. It's a dandy performance that calls to mind Yang Se-jong's tour de force as a pair of clones, their host, and one clone impersonating the other in DUEL.
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JanJan
July 19, 2018 at 3:56 PM
Oh I'm going to have to check out Duel! I love it when actors do multiples characters in one drama. Will watch it as I wait for his new drama at the end of this month. :)
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PakalanaPikake
July 19, 2018 at 4:47 PM
@janjan18,
Yang Se-jong did a fantastic job in DUEL. There's a "nature versus nurture" element to the clones' story that had Beanies jumping up and down in the recap threads.
I already liked YSJ from ROMANTIC DOCTOR, TEACHER KIM (in which he plays a tsundere surgeon who eventually comes out of his shell; you should have heard the cheering on the recap thread when he finally allowed a nano-smile to flit across his features) and SAIMDANG, LIGHT'S DIARY (he looks great in hanbok). He was very good in TEMPERATURE OF LOVE, although for my money the show went to hell in a hand basket, which frustrated me greatly. (His family of origin is a train wreck, his girlfriend turns out to be an immature, high-handed jerk, and her mother a judgemental hypocrite, among other vexations.)
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JanJan
July 19, 2018 at 9:20 PM
thanks for the spoiler on Temperature of Love, I won't watch it then. You just saved my time, hahaha. I will watch Duel for I love stories that deal with that "nature vs nuture" concept. It's probably a reason I'm still here blabbering away on Are You Human Too? haha
Anyways, I've never seen Yang Se-jong's work before. I have seen the female lead (her name eludes me right now...) and I was very impressed with her acting in My Golden Life. She was the only reason I watched it until..until you know...don't want to spoil to much but until it went in a direction I didn't like and I dropped it. But I figure if she's that good in her acting then her male counterpart would be great as well. Plus I'm always ready to welcome new faces to my pool of favorite actors. :D
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PakalanaPikake
July 20, 2018 at 4:24 AM
Oops!!! I should have been more circumspect. The first half or so of TEMPERATURE OF LOVE is okay. In fact, there are some gorgeous scenes in the initial stage of the romance, such as the outing to the coast to eat some local seafood in season, and a visit to a temple atop a mountain. The cinematography is aesthetically pleasing.
The kiss scene on the train from ep. 4 was one of the best in Kdrama. (Some of the later ones were reminiscent of the incendiary smooches in OH HAE-YOUNG AGAIN.) Alas, noona (Seo Hyun-jin, my fave actress) is a lot less mature than the 5-years-younger chef in training, who respectfully says what's on his mind and is a perfect gentleman. Which is why I became so peeved at noona, who thinks that simply having breathed for x number of years longer than him has given her some kind of romantic super powers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toVyZ1j0dew
As I recall, the music is good, too. There are a couple of nice OST tracks, and lots of good background music, which I posted on my fan wall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XYvr2SxAxI.
OST tracks 1, 4, 5, and 9 are my favorites.
I loved TOL to bits until it derailed, but I watched to the very end in the hope that Chef Jung-sun would come to his senses -- or the most irritating characters would spontaneously combust.
Kim Jae-wook was all kinds of fine, but played a truly strange character. It felt like such a waste after his intense turn as Mo Tae-goo in VOICE.
I guess if I hadn't loved TEMPERATURE OF LOVE so much at the outset, I wouldn't still be so peeved at how it failed to live up to its potential.
* sob *
28 RLD
July 19, 2018 at 5:30 PM
I thought K Joon looked familiar, but, just couldn't place him. Someone mentioned other shows he's been in and I'd seen 2 of them! Mr. Seo has had quite the growth spurt, in more ways than one. He's knocking it out of the ballpark in this. Fantabulous.
GSY has become one of my favorite female actors. She's made several great choices on parts to take and has been a different character in each one. I do see a similar temperament btwn this character and the one she played in MY ONLY LOVE SONG, on Netflix. Anybody who hasn't seen it, should watch it, it's a hoot.
I can't keep thinking that Mom would not have given him anything below the belt, therefore, made him kind of like a Ken doll, so, I wonder how the shows going to deal w/that inevitability. Also, in the park bench lunch scene...really, that bite of a sandwich?? Where the hek was it going to go, and it's not like he produces saliva? They should not have had him bite that sandwich, it wasn't needed in the scene. Wait, saliva, kissing, robot breath.....I'm way over thinking this.
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JanJan
July 19, 2018 at 9:23 PM
"Wait, saliva, kissing, robot breath.....I'm way over thinking this."
Haha those were my thoughts exactly!
I agree that GSY has become a favorite of mine too. Shall check out My Only Love Song :)
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29 Sam
July 22, 2018 at 11:30 AM
I so wanted it to be NS3 with flesh and blood, but damn it isn't. My favourite side character in this drama besides Kang So Bong's Dad is Maibo- the I <3 U in his chest is so wow! Also, I love Kang So Bong's Dad, he is definitely grudgingly shipping his daughter with the earnest and adorable Robo Shin and that's fun to watch.
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30 Dewmini Liyanage
June 30, 2021 at 5:40 AM
I was shocked when I saw the part that Nam sin braking the cup so violently. For a moment I thought that NS3 would have had a progress with handling a situation like that. Like making quick and effective decision to make sure no one finds anything suspicious. But NS3 wasn't that violent before. So for a moment I felt as if human Nam sin is back.
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31 Dewmini Liyanage
June 30, 2021 at 5:41 AM
I was shocked when I saw the part that Nam sin braking the cup so violently. For a moment I thought that NS3 would have had a progress with handling a situation like that. Like making a quick and effective decision to make sure no one finds anything suspicious. But NS3 wasn't that violent before. So for a moment I felt as if human Nam sin is back.
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