Open Thread #891
by DB Staff
Happy Friday everyone!
Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.
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1 welh
November 15, 2024 at 5:02 AM
Twenty years ago, Korea’s entertainment industry was rocked by the Celebrity X-Files scandal. A marketing company was retained to create a report on 99 models, idols and celebrities after interviewing industry insiders and reporters. The data complied included work history, private information, dating history, rumors on personality, set behavior, reputation, etc. It also opined speculation about an artist’s competency, appearance and long term prospects. When the reported was leaked to the public, there was outrage since the report was being used to determine who advertising agencies would hire for endorsements or studios to cast talent in projects. A few actors had to publicly deny that they were set divas, but instead the public started to believe the rumors to be true. It was a PR disaster for the firms involved.
HYBE is a major entertainment agency. It has a series of litigation and accusations stemming from its ADOR litigation and artist New Jeans complaints about their treatment by the parent company. The Korean general assembly’s audit committee obtained an internal company report that contained harsh comments about their own artists, but also corporate espionage and warfare to attack their competitors. HYBE’s CEO has apologized for the report, but it is another major hit to the public company’s business operations.I guess some businesses never learn. It really bolsters the recent trend for idols and young artists to lawyer-up early in their careers to protect themselves from abusive, toxic work environments that has been the norm in the Korean music industry.
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Soyesterday
November 15, 2024 at 5:09 AM
It doesn't seem to matter what country one lives in, in order to "make it" in show business, a person has to sacrifice their soul, their privacy and their human dignity eventually.
Is it even possible to get to the top through honest and ethical means?
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Clios Servant
November 15, 2024 at 5:30 AM
Possible, but rare. Jodie Foster retained her privacy, and her humanity, and built an award-winning career. Shirley Temple (a generational talent) walked away from the entertainment industry in her twenties, had a family and became a diplomat. Another childhood star, Elizabeth Taylor, was independent enough to tell Louis B. Mayer (head of MGM) to go to hell when she was 15 years old, and didn't get fired because she was already bigger than the studio. Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward raised their family in Connecticut, and started the non-profit business Newman's Own in 1982.
It takes a lot of bottom to walk away from the entertainment industry. But it has been done.
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Soyesterday
November 15, 2024 at 5:43 AM
Jeon Do-yeon, Won Bin [and his wife] have also been succesful at having good careers while protecting their personal lives.
Kate Bush, Enya and Sade, are notoriously private and reclusive but have managed to have acclaimed and commercially succesful careers too
I wonder if they are all exceptions to the rule
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Clios Servant
November 15, 2024 at 6:12 AM
You know, I think they all probably have one thing in common. They want a private life, and they make hard choices that make that possible. Also, I suspect they are pretty smart themselves and avoid getting pushed into counterproductive situations.
None of this is easy when you are really famous, especially for young talent. Need a lot of self-confidence and solid, trustworthy people surrounding you.
redfox
November 15, 2024 at 8:00 AM
in Estonia we call people who lay out all their personal life without restraints "slaughter chicks" (tapatibud). You know... some chicks grow up to lay eggs... and some are thrown into the grinder and become feed for others.
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2 Gikata
November 15, 2024 at 5:16 AM
Happy Friday, Beanies! And Happy Birthday to me^^
After overpacked with singing stages October Yuning slowed down big time to focus on other things, so this week we got only 1 performance from him - Tmall Double 11 Crazy Hi6 Night, where him and Da Zhangwei bopped through latter's old hit “Flowers”. Super silly and cheerful track, there isn't much of melody or actual singing, but they had the time of their life jumping around and even got some idols involved lol – these two geges are so annoying! *affectionate* Sadly, I couldn't find it in any decent quality, so forgive the microwave visuals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BPHt-iO34c
Annoying dorks vibes is pretty much how their shared stages always go – when they're not dusting off old naughty rock bangers, ofc. Case in point - “Shine share”, another DZW's song they did on this Spring Gala. If I'm being completely honest, watching the vlog of LYN struggling to learn a dance routine for it was more engaging than stage itself, but they had a lot of fun once again AND it was Yuning's very first CCTV Spring Gala, he was so damn excited for such honor! Hope he'll do plenty in the future and maybe even with his own track someday, that would be great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BJYnepYtNQ
Another time they had this “brilliant” idea to form a fake band with pseudonym, modulated voices, hidden faces and release a track without telling ANYONE. You can guess where it's heading, huh? Right – that single flopped spectacularly in charts, to their utter indignation. Granted, it was 3+ years ago – something tells me this trick wouldn't succeed nowadays. This surely deeply meaningful song is titled “Lying on the sofa for half a day” and I assume you don't need to wonder what it's about^^ The most shocking twist is that they even had a stage for it! With masks and, ofc, while lying on sofa. I guess TV censorship wouldn't be too pleased with bed, but sofa is safe enough, even when it's two dudes chilling on it)))
https://x.com/Bigsislilred/status/1754535742024589374/video/2
Overall, this friendship of their goes all the way back to Yuning's busking days – DZW was his very first celeb friend and big supporter at the time, appearing in livestreams (and dragging other singers there, bless him!). Here's them being semi-serious for once to perform Yuning's debut period track “Beggar” - well, 35% of it max, but that's the effort that counts! See, they can do proper singing when they want to!
I'm still mentally in”Naked” era, don't mind me – half of that official upload 40K views must be from me...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYyml1sC6sA
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Gikata
November 15, 2024 at 5:19 AM
Speaking of wild bangers – “Unintentional big dream” is finally on Spotify! Pray for my neighbors sanity – they're about to hear it VERY often)))
https://open.spotify.com/track/3qjZXp2XvlnQ3tRlCZfXba?si=0b0c28add4284fd0
Upd.: oh heavens, he dropped a surprise livestream mid-week – for 5.5 hours! *faints* I cannot keep up! Lots of singing which I'll mainly cover next Friday, so here's a few reveals:
- his concert tour starts in February, 10 cities, amount of actual concerts still in discussion. No date for albums release, but should be VERY soon.
- he's gonna hold a livestream "concert" next week – sort of tradition when his drama airs to thank fans for supporting him through it.
- no filming new drama in approx next 5-6 months due to tour AND him finally admitting he needs some rest. He's about to start pay attention to his pile of script offers though, but every casting rumor about him atm is FALSE.
- man mulled over his previous wish of acting as a villain in thriller and decided he prefers a role where he survives the ending credits after all lmao. I mean, I'm ALL for upping his tragic drama survival rate, but he'd be so hot as a baddie!
- ofc we got scolded for drooling over his, uhm, skin exposure scene in upcoming episode. As usual, he claims he has nothing to show – oh, darling, I so beg to differ! I do get now why he's gotten more comfy with deep V-necks lately – compared to what he showed there... ahem.
Don't worry, I'll bring yall the footage once it's out)))- and scolded some more for calling him “husband” in public. Idk why he thinks his threat of recording that and sending “incriminating” video to fans moms would work – it's Asian moms we're talking about! I'm sure they're even worse than mine that would've happily mail me wrapped in a red ribbon to ANY willing man, let alone rich and good looking)))
And a bit more of music - “Do you dare?”, take 2. His hat is super cute, our foxy boy^^ Glasses are a bit too silly, but as long as he's having fun...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_-I-jYq-40
Ning-ge might not attend many events this week, but he's done plenty of of other attention worthy stuff. Like interviews – I love to watch them whenever there's subs, he's always both a total riot AND more eloquent than you'd expect. Shot-out to fandoestrans for doing god's work with subs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3WNHPOwLgo
Yes, pls, give Mao Mao his job back and stick to helping drama leads (yourself included) to get their hard-earned romantic HE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVjUj0oSpgk
And official one from Youku! On fighting scenes, inner feelings and overall sweetness percentage + acapella concert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64_kpW6tgT8
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Gikata
November 15, 2024 at 5:21 AM
Also courtesy of Fan is this compilation of translated comments on his acting in TSOPG – from casual viewers no less. I love the recurring motive of praising his line delivery, manly vibes and “he's growing on me somehow” - yep, that's how it usually starts, welcome to the club!
https://x.com/fandoestrans/status/1855503458935394421
Bonus: making of action scenes in Ep18 – this was a devastating moment in the drama, but did he look cool while at it! This is also my favorite look of his in the show so far – braids, properly placed tight belt bordering on corset (TLB poor tailoring flashbacks still haunt me), scarf mask, even dirt and blood, mmm... Sorry, got carried away a little. Practical effects with REAL flaming arrows look dangerous tho, glad he got trough it unfried)))
https://youtu.be/kmG4nWdtL3o?si=o7VyW96z9Inaj4QL
Bonus2: before we proceed, pls sit comfortably and hold your jaws in place to avoid unintentional injuries because this is not just a shocking content, it's an internet breaking one! 1M likes on Douyin in half a day wouldn't lie. World was so shooketh that antis even bothered with paid trending topics to spread their usual hateful nonsense and ignite fanwar, but oops, that was kind of trick you can only pull a limited amount of times before getting exposed... Huge diabetes trigger warning for everything that follows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIuDJVZjTK4
Bonus3: gotta love how their reaction to the whole mess was to double and triple down on saccharine, giving everyone bothered by the fact a huge metaphorical middle finger. Lo and behold – Yuning's very first couple photoshoot for a drama! I promised yall to faint in celebration if this ever happens, but it's physically beyond my limits, so just know that I tried))) The money I'd give to know HOW Lusi managed to talk him into it... Pics 6 and 8 are my fave (the ZOOTOPIA vibes of the latter! he's a huge fan, it must be intentional!).
https://x.com/YoukuOfficial/status/1856272166272036905
Bonus4: making clip. I'd say he still looks a little awkward – notably more with the camera than skinship, ha! - but compared to before you're doing amazing, sweetie! Both of you! That BGM choice tho – reminds me of less innocent daddy jokes from AJTL era... Well, he did say that YZJ is a period version of “domineering CEO”, so this fits^^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruoKfd6m3_E
Bonus5: a full version - to finish off the last ones that somehow are still left standing. I think in the days to come I'm gonna refer to this period as “lollipop attack”.
Can we talk how obedient and willing to be guided he is here? OK, I know, we probably shouldn't, but damn!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_m5buBLFNw
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Gikata
November 15, 2024 at 5:22 AM
@kiara, @jillian, @zindigo, @isagc, @wonhwa, @seeker, @mochakat9, @wishfultoki, @cliosservant1846
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Isa is always time travelling
November 15, 2024 at 6:14 AM
Thank you, Gikata! And Happy Birthday! 🥳🎂🤗
Apart from The Pearl Girl and the already famous photoshoot with Zhao Lu Si (the chemistry!) I'm watching the full Hello Saturday (the day LY was one of the guests 😊 It's quite fun).
Gikata
November 15, 2024 at 6:55 AM
@isagc thank you!
Which one - with RISE OF NING or FANGS OF FORTUNE casts? Former was fun but the latter is absolute riot, I laughed until it hurt)))
Clios Servant
November 15, 2024 at 6:02 AM
Oh Gikata, just what the Dr. ordered this week. Thank you.
Classy stylin' for both of them in the photo shoot, with all of his 6'2" on display and ZLS channeling this great look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_Madame_X
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Gikata
November 15, 2024 at 6:17 AM
Oh, quite similar indeed! The "scandals" around both images are funny too - you'd think the word evolved since then, but...
P.S. I believe it's Versace dress for her, idk about his coat.
Clios Servant
November 15, 2024 at 6:40 AM
Oh wow! Is it your birthday? Happiest of birthdays Gikata, and just in case nobody told you today, you are a rare one. Keep on truckin'.
Gikata
November 15, 2024 at 6:51 AM
@cliosservant1846 yes, it is! Thank you)))
🌸 Seeker 🌸
November 15, 2024 at 5:53 AM
Many happy returns of the day!! Here's to you getting wrapped in red ribbon 🎀 🎁 💝 and mailed to gege. 🥰🤭
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Gikata
November 15, 2024 at 6:48 AM
Thanks!)))
Nah, bad idea, however tempting: visuals aside (since he's openly into big eyes and mine are HUGE), I don't think he's gonna like my personality at all^^ It's OK tho, I've long gotten used to the fact that guys of my type rarely fancy me back...
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
November 15, 2024 at 7:11 AM
🤣🤣🤣 You never know till you try it. 😉
Well I do hope all your wishes for yourself are fulfilled.
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Gikata
November 15, 2024 at 7:34 AM
Don't give me hope, I'm now officially too old for this Wattpad scenario^^
Thanks again, THAT would've been really nice))) *sighs*
🌸 Seeker 🌸
November 15, 2024 at 7:57 AM
Sometimes hope is all we have ... and sometimes that is enough. Nonetheless have a good party and a great year ahead.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
November 15, 2024 at 7:53 AM
🥳🎂☕🥂
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3 9TailedVixen (formerly 9TailedFox)
November 15, 2024 at 5:37 AM
NOTES FROM 9TAILEDFOX'S SECOND WEEK OF NOVEMBER 2024:
1. THIS WEEK IN LIFE NEWS
(a) Took a Mental Health Day this week to make it a three-day weekend thanks to the aftermath of the U.S. election results. My work email is BURSTING - so many people are stressed, depressed, and fearful of what's to come. My sister activists/advocates are reaching out for help and support for plans that we're collectively setting up to deal with the atrocities that are to come in the next 4 years.
(b) On the bright side, I completed my 3rd full Aerial Yoga flow this week, so that's something.
2. THIS WEEK IN KOREAN WOMEN'S NEWS
(a) As 4B takes the world by storm, South Korea is grappling with a backlash against feminism
Following the recent US presidential election, an unexpected phenomenon began trending on social media: young American women declaring their commitment to “4B”, a fringe South Korean feminist movement advocating the rejection of marriage, childbirth, dating and sex.
The movement has sparked intense global interest, with millions of views on TikTok and viral X posts heralding it as a women’s rights revolution.
Yet within South Korea itself, the picture is more complex and in some places the feminist movement is under attack.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/15/4b-south-korea-feminist-movement-donald-trump-election-backlash
(b) South Korea’s government matchmaking events slammed as ‘wasteful’ – women public servants forced to attend to boost number of attendees
To address South Korea’s declining birth rate, local governments are ramping up efforts to host matchmaking events aimed at fostering marriages and, ultimately, boosting population growth. At least 30 local governments nationwide running a total of 34 matchmaking programs this year alone.
The challenges facing these initiatives are not just about matchmaking success rates. Many local governments have faced difficulties attracting female participants, with some programs resorting to filling gender imbalances by recruiting female public servants.
https://theindependent.sg/south-koreas-government-matchmaking-events-slammed-as-wasteful-women-public-servants-forced-to-attend-to-boost-number-of-attendees/
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AmnesiaYawns
November 15, 2024 at 7:41 AM
Meanwhile, in Japan: the leader of a minor party suggested on Youtube to boost birth rates every woman over 30 should have her uterus removed, to encourage them to give birth sooner. Women shouldn't go to college over age 18 and they should not be allowed to marry over 25, so they get married sooner.
He has since "apologized" https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/japanese-lawmakers-misogynistic-remarks-spark-controversy-remove-uterus-after-women-turn-30/articleshow/115268534.cms
I'm so baffled that noone, really noone sees the one root cause for 4B - it's toxic men like Hyakata and Trump and his whole comic book villain ministry of atrocities.
Who would want to date, marry, have a baby with someone like that?
The whole idea of forced matchmaking programs, honestly, that's just one step away from Comfort Women.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
November 15, 2024 at 7:55 AM
How horrible to be made to go to matchmaking events when you are not interested at all.
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4 redfox
November 15, 2024 at 7:55 AM
I am intensely staring at a person who is very noisy with sandwitch wrappers. let´s see what happens
it is exceptionally warm here and I feel very off I am not comfortable. I feel like a plant growing in the wrong soil like this.
went to London, met other Tim Burton fans, visited Tim Burton exhibition at the design museum, it was a fabulous and heartwarming meetup. We just click so well, it is crazy how we havens seen so long but we instantly vibe with each other. it has been 23 years since we first talked on Tim Burton Collective forum. it no longer exists but waybackmachine has screenshots.
gawd im so annoyed. I have generally been very annoyed the past week. I don´t know if it is lack of vitamin D or my age.
a patron asked me to remove a dead cat in a plastic bag from her phone. but it was just her lock screen picture of a cute red cat curled up sleeping on a pillow
ok time to go and be annoyed at home now.
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