What Comes After Love: Episode 4
by Dramaddictally
More sadness and heartache this week as we get another seed of information about the big breakup in the past. There’s clarity around our hero’s intent, and the outcome he’s hoping for in this story, but our heroine still has a lot of soul searching to do.
EPISODE 4
Last week we ended with a marriage proposal. Kanna was at Jungo’s hotel room door wrapping him in a hug and hoping to get hitched. But this week we learn two things: she was super drunk at the time, and she and Jungo are not in any kind of relationship. It wasn’t totally clear to me last week what was up with them, but when we see the full scene, she says, “Please come back to me.”
The pain on her face is real when he removes himself from the hug and apologizes. And it looks like it causes him a lot of pain to hurt her so much as well. She’s in love with him. He knows it. And it’s like he just has no idea what to do.
Meanwhile, he wonders why he ran into Hong again. Was it to pick up where they left off? Or to give them closure? We learn that he doesn’t want it to be the end — and in fact, he wrote his novel hoping that she would read it and understand his side of things.
But in this episode, we get to understand Hong’s side of things much better. We already learned that the main reason for their breakup was Hong’s loneliness abroad and her overreliance on Jungo. But now we see he’s not the best boyfriend either.
When Hong was invited to a co-worker’s wedding, she got really excited — since she has so few events to attend in Tokyo. She wants Jungo to go with her, but he’s hesitant. She tries to take care of everything on her own (from understanding the customs to getting the gift), and even agrees to play a song at the wedding with her guitar.
Jungo finally agrees to go, but on the day of the event, he has an interview with a publishing house. They offer him a job, but they’re so short staffed that they need him to start that day. So, Hong sings and plays a love song while thinking of Jungo — and he’s not there to hear it. Worse, he doesn’t even message her to say he’s not coming because he mistakenly thinks he can finish working and still arrive. He can’t. He gets there when the party’s over.
At home, she’s upset and waiting for him and he explains what happened, saying he always wanted to work at that publishing company and he “couldn’t help it.” (Seriously, if there’s any way to get me on her side in a heartbeat, it’s him saying that crap.)
After some arguing back and forth, he says that he told Hong he’d try to go — it was never a definite yes. And she says that he should have just said no if he was going to act like this. Then she leaves the apartment and admits to herself that everlasting love doesn’t exist .
In the present, Jungo cancels his schedule for the day and makes a guess about where Hong might be going for her daily jog. He finds her. She sees him. And she runs right past him like he doesn’t exist.
Both of them are obviously upset by this encounter, but it brings up the question of why Jungo never tried to find her before. We learn that he sent her belongings to her in Korea after she left, which means he’s known where she was all this time. Did he want to be famous first? Or to try to grow up?
When Jungo sent her things from Japan, Hong was conflicted. For one, it meant it was really over between them. But also, she says, “It took me a long time to realize I wasn’t trying to forget Jungo, but the me who loved him.” And so, she tosses all her stuff into a closet and doesn’t look at it for five years. That is, until her sister wants to use her guitar and finds an unread letter tucked inside the case.
We close this week’s episode with Hong just about to open the letter, but in the interim, we see more dreamy flashbacks of our main pair falling in love. We know Jungo has a hard time saying how he feels out loud (that’s why he’s a writer), but he thinks that if your feelings are sincere, the other person will eventually feel them.
Hong knows how he feels, but it would be nice to hear him say I love you, she says. They joke around about it and he says that’s a tough one. But he promises to write a novel about what he feels for her one day. In voiceover, Hong tells us that they only spoke of a bright future together and avoided problems — which ended up snowballing into uncertainty inside them. “We were blind to the harsh realities of the world when we were at the peak of happiness.”
And then we see that Jungo’s novel is called What Comes After Love. While he’s doing a book signing, someone says they’ve had a similar experience to his female protagonist (which is based on Hong) and “It was extremely difficult to overcome borders and cultural differences with only love.” Does he still think that’s possible?
Jungo responds that he didn’t write the novel to send an overarching message. He just had so many memories and so much regret about a certain person that he wanted to write his honest feelings. He says that if that person happens to read the book, he hopes that she understands he was young and inexperienced when they were together. That hope helped him write the novel.
Hong is at his book signing, but she leaves without approaching him. Min-jun, however, goes up to get a copy of the novel signed and asks Jungo if he knows Hong. Jungo affirms, and we have our two male leads staring each other down over a table until next week when we see where this is headed.
Two more episodes to go and it looks like next week will be about reveals. We’ll see what Min-jun already knows (maybe what he learned from the novel) and what Hong is about to find out when she opens that letter.
I’m really torn about the ending I want for this story. Hong and Jungo appear to have grown as people, but the pain has had so much time to fester, it would be really hard to go back or start over. Still, they’ll probably never get over each other either, which brings another kind of pain. It’s a tough one.
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1 Blue (@mayhemf)
October 13, 2024 at 4:08 PM
I have only one qn. How does she run every morning with her hair down all the time? Sure, it looks photogenic et al, but it would be so bothersome (from personal experience)
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Mrs Buckwheat
October 13, 2024 at 4:34 PM
I thought the same thing and I don't even run :)
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Kurama
October 13, 2024 at 11:35 PM
Some Koreans barely sweat...
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RenOIshi
October 14, 2024 at 3:36 AM
I do it when my ponytail becomes drenched in sweat! The air helps haha!
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2 Mrs Buckwheat
October 13, 2024 at 4:51 PM
Thanks for the recap Dramaddictally :).
I really enjoy the show, the way the mood and tone are reflected visually is nice.
The meeting in the park where Benny saw but ran straight past Junho was beautifully shot.
I do wish they had made the time gap smaller (a year or two) before reconnecting.
Five years is a bit of a stretch to be so hung up on this 'love' when Junho wasn't very communicative or demonstrative as pointed out in this episode and they were only together for such a short time.
I'm more in love with the two leads who look stunning together.
Sakaguchi Kentaro has that certain something that you just can't look away from, he is mesmerizing.
Here is an interview with GQ Korea with eng subs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcmKoQfe_J8
Those dimples are a lethal weapon.
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kiara
October 13, 2024 at 6:27 PM
I agree; five years is too long. From what I read, the novel is longer by two years, for a total of seven years. I hope it's not based on a true story because this is torture.
His looks and acting have a natural quality, but I'm not completely sold yet. I've only seen him in the Japanese version of "Signal." He has a Netflix show called "Sayonara no Tsuzuki," which I plan on watching.
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hallyucinations
October 14, 2024 at 12:41 AM
Those dimples are really something! He does come across as brooding enough to be a writer. I want to now see him do something fun and goofy, see his whole range. Gonna start hunting for more Kentaro dramas!
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3 tabong
October 13, 2024 at 5:05 PM
I was never in the "get back together" team, but now I'm totally against it.
Jungo rant:
Saying that he's bad at communicating is just an excuse. A very lame one.
This guy's real problem is his little to none consideration for other people's feelings. In this case, his girlfriend's.
Why didn't he give Hong a proper answer when she asked about weddings in Japan? He thought that was a dumb question that wasn't worth it of his time? He thought she should do her own research? He really thought weddings are all the same? He just couldn't be bother? What was it?
Let's say he really thought weddings are all the same. Okay. But then when Hong told him that her friend pointed out some differences, he should've said something. He should've tried to help her not embarrass herself or do something rude there. If he took ONE second to think from her perspective, he would've said something.
But he said nothing, and then had the audacity to say "that makes me look bad". Ha. Of course now he knows exactly what to say. Because it involves him. She made him look rude. Yada yada yada. Well, bro. You are.
Not taking your girlfriend's calls or at least calling her back, or sending a catdamn text to let her know you won't go there? You literally ignored her because you couldn't be bother, and then you didn't even apologized?
I hate how he never apologizes. He just gives her some lame excuse. It's like he plans what to say in his way home. He's never wrong, all she needs is to do listen and understand him. Right?
I guess that's the same in the present timeline. He's expecting her to read the book with all his excuses and come back to him. Does he even care if she's happy now? Does he even care if she loves this other guy? It's like he expected her to sit there for five years so they could randomly meet in that airport.
But, Idk, if he really was planning in getting back with her, why was he working on this book with the ex girlfriend that's clinging to him? How is he going to explain that to Hong?
That's just another thing that makes me think he doesn't really care about her.
And like some beanie said (it was Blue, I think), in the past, he didn't even care about her relationships with others or her loneliness.
They said Japanese weddings are only for close friends and relatives, right? But she was invited, so, doesn't that mean they're close? But he didn't seem to know (or care) about it. And he didn't consider that going to the wedding with Hong would be an important gesture to her.
Sigh. Jungo wouldn't tell her how to do things, or even help her do those things but he was ready to criticize her. Dude, I wouldn't be surprised if Hong stopped going anywhere because he would be like "omo, you did that wrong in Japanese". He didn't care to help her adapt there and he wouldn't support the new bonds she created either.
Anyone can talk about weddings and stars. Yada yada yada. But there's more than...
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tabong
October 13, 2024 at 5:07 PM
I guess the title of the show should be "What Comes After Love Isn't Enough".
...And that's assuming what he felt for her was that, and not something else.
His love felt very weak this week.
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FormAnOrderlyQueue
October 13, 2024 at 5:42 PM
Thanks @enriquequierecagar for a really good summary of how Jungo got it desperately wrong here. As others have mentioned, while I might have wanted a reunification at the beginning of the drama, I now just want closure and two people going their separate ways. as you said,
this is a central issue for me. He's still completely focused on himself and what he wants rather than trying to see anything from her perspective. I appreciate that this feels very real - we can all be as self-absorbed as this - but I'm not keen for the drama to paint this as a strength ("Look at his undying devotion!") rather than the flaw it has proven to be.
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tabong
October 13, 2024 at 6:36 PM
Yes. That's what has been bothering me all this time. That we're supposed to believe this is how love is supposed to be.
"Because they love each other so much everything is understandable".
He doesn't communicate or has any consideration, BUT he loves her, so who cares? Nope. That's not how things work for me. Dude didn't even try once to be better.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
October 13, 2024 at 5:43 PM
We still don’t know if he wants to get back with her? May be he is just guilty or has some regrets and wants to find closure.
Again, he didn’t come to meet her. He just happened to meet her. So I am not sure what he was doing for 5 years.
It’s a lot of time to move on. Especially for a guy who never picked up her calls. Grrrrr.
I want them both to make peace and move on. That would be my happy ending.
I don’t see how this would work without one of them giving up something. And then the problems will just repeat down the line.
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tabong
October 13, 2024 at 6:43 PM
He did tho? Maybe it was his monologue or after the interview, I don't remember. But I'm pretty sure he wants to get back together.
Even if he doesn't, she already told him that she wants nothing to do with him, and took that as an invitation to go to her neighborhood. Everything he's doing is about himself, and his feelings, and again, no consideration. What if she went running every morning with her fiance? Is guilt a good enough excuse to do any of this? Idk. Not for me.
But it's a kdrama and she doesn't like her fiance, so I'm gonna chill. LMAO
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Neolttwigi
October 13, 2024 at 10:28 PM
Yes, from a K drama point of view, Hong is sending out strong signals that she does not want her current marriage and will happily go follow an uncertain Romance. Don't do it Hong! The only reason he isgetting your heart rate up is that your body knows how much anxiety he caused you/how anxious you were when you were with him! Don't mistake it for love!
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Blue (@mayhemf)
October 14, 2024 at 2:00 AM
Ah. I missed that. So was he planning to wait for her indefinitely hoping she would read his book and contact him?? Errr.
I will wait till I read the contents of this letter in the unopened bag.
make this make sense writers.
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Scottie
October 14, 2024 at 2:36 AM
I have to defend Jungo a little here, even though he clearly has faults.
He cannot know that Hong never read his letter. He will assume it had been read and that she decided not to reply as a sign that the relationship is over for good. He will have accepted and respected such a big No and not be in touch again. This is not unreasonable.
It will be interesting to see what he said in the letter!
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Blue (@mayhemf)
October 14, 2024 at 2:46 AM
Yes. I am holding off until I know what’s in the letter.
If he did assume she read the letter and that the relationship is over why does he want to meet her so badly especially after she told him she is getting married? (She did say it right while they were in the car?)
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Scottie
October 14, 2024 at 2:57 AM
Because it still festers.
kiara
October 14, 2024 at 6:29 AM
Much is lost in translation, cultural differences, personal expectations, and lack of proper communication.
Jungo was a loner before she met him. It's difficult for him to express his feelings, like saying "I love you," while it's not a problem for her free-spirited self to say how she feels. He probably thinks that working hard to put a roof over their head is his way of showing love. To her, spending time together is what makes her feel loved. Picking up the phone and checking in on her would have helped.
Going to a wedding in Japan means spending money they don't have, which is probably why he hesitated but couldn't say no.
His priority was work/education/career. Hers was probably the same at some point, but feeling neglected and lonely made it hard for her to cope.
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RenOIshi
October 14, 2024 at 3:43 AM
He clearly knew her address in SK since he managed to ship her stuff over! Ugh! I can’t! Why the hell is he pining for her after shutting her out? Ffs
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Kurama
October 14, 2024 at 4:10 AM
I thought she was the one who asked him hoping he would come with her stuff.
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RenOIshi
October 14, 2024 at 4:38 AM
Same! He had it and he packed it all away neatly and sent it back.
Blue (@mayhemf)
October 14, 2024 at 5:35 AM
She asked him to ship her stuff and he followed her instructions. 🙃
I was like - girl you gotta pay him for shipping!!
Neolttwigi
October 14, 2024 at 9:51 AM
She asked him to pack and send her stuff. he did it. Showing up on her doorstep could have been stalking. If someone tells you they don't want to see you, you have to respect it. (Don't tell someone you don't want to see them unless you mean it)
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RenOIshi
October 14, 2024 at 3:40 AM
At this point in time the ONLY reason she could miss him for was probably because he was a great lay 🤭🫣🤭🫣
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4 kiara
October 13, 2024 at 5:56 PM
I enjoyed another of Dongju Jun's poems featured in this episode. It's called "ONE NIGHT I COUNT THE STARS" from his poetry book, Sky Wind and Stars.
For one star, a memory;
for one star, love;
for one star loneliness;
for one star, longing;
for one star, a poem;
for one star, Mother.
Hong doesn't quote the whole poem, only the portion that came to mind while she was lying on his lap, looking up at the stars. They both recite the exact words, but they may relate and interpret them differently.
They may initially have a strong romantic attraction but lack a genuine emotional connection and understanding of each other's needs. It's like being in love with romance instead of each other.
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Mrs Buckwheat
October 13, 2024 at 6:21 PM
This is so well said Kiara -"They may initially have a strong romantic attraction but lack a genuine emotional connection and understanding of each other's needs. It's like being in love with romance instead of each other."
I get this vibe from the show, especially after this episode seeing Junho just do his own thing like he wasnt even in a relationship.
I mean who wouldn't send a message to their partner to say they will be late/not able to go to the wedding, it's just common dencency. He can't say he wasn't certain because he loaned the suit from his friend for the wedding.
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kiara
October 13, 2024 at 8:04 PM
I can understand why his negligence hurt her so much. Being alone in a foreign country made it worse. It has been too long to fix it, so this is more about two people needing closure to move on. I'd root for that.
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tabong
October 13, 2024 at 6:49 PM
I wonder which star each of them would be relating to.
"It's like being in love with romance instead of each other."
This is what I felt when Hong said "I wasn't trying to forget Jungo, but the me who loved him". And that's when the show got 100% more interesting for me. That would explain so much...
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kiara
October 13, 2024 at 9:12 PM
The one star for Mother is quite interesting. Jungo's mother ran away, and Hong ran away from her mother.
I like this episode. It gave us something to work with. Hopefully, they will talk and make peace with their past. over a Mon Blanc cake. LOL
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hallyucinations
October 13, 2024 at 9:36 PM
And Hong ran away from Jungo. Are most of us just destined to repeat the patterns that make us?
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Blue (@mayhemf)
October 14, 2024 at 2:07 AM
Beautifully said. She was indeed romantic and loved the idea of being in love. And that justified everything else she was not doing or prioritizing. Did we ever see her write poems? Also, did she throw away college admission because she was not happy??
And he was prioritizing his career and his future to write. He even mentioned that he is taking up jobs to get experience to write.
They both had different needs and wants.
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5 Beverly
October 13, 2024 at 6:21 PM
I am very curious about the letter. I think I'd appreciate it more if it was an apology, goodbye, and wish you well letter. Cause if he really wanted her back you got to put in the face time or at least start calling.
I am not excusing him, because I do think hw was a horrible bf from what we have seen, but I do wonder if he just had this idea (not shared with Hong) that his single minded focus on his goals would be to the benefit to both of them. That he was making a good life for them. And honestly at this point of his life if he wanted to be a successful writer then he did need to do the work, it's just Hong deserved some words.
Maybe it's not healthy, idk, but I kind of respect Hong for packing that part of her life away when he didn't come to reconcile. Sending her stuff seemed like a shut door and so she moved on. I just wish we could see her a little happier even if more "mature".
I think with this drama it is one of those times I won't mind if there is not a HEA. I feel like at this moment that I want to trust that Hong will choose what is best for her and I'll support that decision, lol.
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6 spazmo
October 13, 2024 at 7:04 PM
ah, of course there is a pathetically needy ex-girlfriend...
*rolls eyes*
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7 hallyucinations
October 13, 2024 at 7:49 PM
Thanks @dramaddictally for your thoughtful recap! Even I am unsure as to what kind of ending for this show I would find satisfying. Maybe the show is about how love is never really enough for things to work. I often wonder about how people with lesser resources often also wind up with unfulfilling relations (romantic or otherwise- maybe even parent-child). Jungo needed to work that hard in that phase of his life. He did not have the luxury to say no to work offers, which he develops later when he cancels his day and heads off in search of Beni. On the other hand, Beni's loneliness was genuine and so were her needs. They were both bound by their genetic toolkit also- his inability to say things, her need to be assured. Its just two young and inherently decent people navigating love in a harsh world.
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8 Lostpanda is celebrating My Ajusshi 💔
October 13, 2024 at 9:41 PM
“We were blind to the harsh realities of the world when we were at the peak of happiness.”
This is a poignant and sad revelation that too many of us have experienced as we age.
Where have something like this resonated with me before?
Hmm.
I think it was something like this:
“Back then, I believed I could have everything. There were so many things I wanted to have. I had thought love and friendship were mine to have for a brief moment.”
Na Hee-do of 25-21
Carefree youth… I wish I could go back to that moment in time.
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9 panshel
October 13, 2024 at 9:53 PM
Just how many jobs does this guy have? How does he even have the time to date? It seems like Jungo is ashamed of taking handouts. Like when he got mad at Hong for accepting the offer to stay the night at her dad's first love's house, and now for accepting the thank you gifts from her boss' wedding. I think he didn't want to go to the wedding because he didn't want to give congratulatory money. Which is strange because Jungo's family doesn't look poor.
When Min-jun went to Jungo's book signing, I said, "No, leave him alone. Why confront her ex-boyfriend? He'll go back to Japan on his own." Hong bought a card, but I hope she gets Jungo his favorite "spaghetti" cake for his birthday.
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10 LillyBee
October 13, 2024 at 9:54 PM
I started the episode and then just decided I didn't want to do this anymore.
I'm not interested in these people, this relationship, this plot...
I thought it'd be ok because it's a short drama, but it's no fun keeping on when you don't want to.
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11 Neolttwigi
October 13, 2024 at 10:33 PM
Completely Team 'Don't get back with him' at this point. Min Jun is looking like a much better prospect. A known quantity with a good job. Also been around enough to be comfortable. Sure, comfortable does not give you an adrenaline kick. But nobody really loves the adrenaline kicks you get when your partner has no regard for basic politeness, like ' My apologies, I can't make it to this important event'
Sadly, I am fearful the KDrama gods have ordained that there Must Be a romantic reunion.
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12 Kurama
October 13, 2024 at 11:41 PM
I'm in the team you should talk! If Hong was looking happy in her job and in her relationship, Jungo could go back to Japan. But she doesn't look happy, she acts like a robot. Clearly, they both need closure .
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13 RenOIshi
October 14, 2024 at 3:44 AM
Imagine living her life with Jungo. In a foreign land, speaking a foreign tongue, in a different culture AND living with a non committal (‘I will think about going to the wedding’) and unresponsive (not answering her phone call knowing she would be embarrassed) boyfriend.
Honestly I would too not bother about opening my luggage and run past him like the Queen she is! What did he even do for her? Clearly he had her home address and yet just let her be? He is ranking quite high in my a*%# category.
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14 Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
October 14, 2024 at 11:21 AM
Thanks for the recap @dramaddictally
I made the rookie error of writing an essay directly on the site and it is still not showing. I waited in vain for it to miraculously appear but alas it is lost for ever in the ether. So this is a summary in case it either appears or this is deleted as a duplicate.
Random thoughts:
If you write a book that explains everything but then publish it with a pen name and don’t send a signed copy to the last known address of the person you most want to read the story in the whole wide world, does that make it a mindfullness exercise?
If you want to talk to someone and they shut you down the first time you get them alone with a variation on the ‘No one cares’ statement; ‘I am getting married now, so whatever you say is irrelevant’ how low must your Emotional intelligence be to think it is worth a second try?
Is a perfectly executed run by when someone randomly turns up in your local park the equivalent of throwing a bucket of ice cold dirty water over their head? I loved it👏🏾. It was also so typical that it was followed by a stumble and fall🫤 which it looks like he didn’t notice, thankfully.
Any bets the letter is a confession that the hard work was to buy the engagement ring and deposit for the marital home? Because he wanted to be married asap and it was going to be a surprise he couldn’t explain why he kept getting more jobs even though it was taking up every minute of his day. It was also to say if she responded with a yes he would get the next plane to put the already bought and hidden ring on her finger and meet her family to start the process because he now realised that the only outcome of the best kept secret was a broken heart.
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Mrs Buckwheat
October 14, 2024 at 3:01 PM
Great random thoughts Reply :)
It's a bit ironic to write a book that explains everything but then have it published under a pen name in another country. It really does sound ridiculous when you write it out like that.
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Neolttwigi
October 14, 2024 at 5:40 PM
I think it was a mindfulness exercise. He thought meeting her again was a miraculous coincidence. He did send the luggage and a letter (hidden! but who would have expected her to give up music?) and there was no reply. He was too polite and liked her too much to hassle her.
He wrote it to put his thoughts into words; he wanted her to read it, but the pen name meant that she would not feel threatened by reading it.
(Hong must have told him very little about her life, if he did not recognise the publishing company sponsoring him as her family's)
It will be interesting to see if you win your bet. The drama has had very restrained emotional beats, and a letter-ring-house-proposal seems a bit dramatic for the story so far.
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15 jillian
October 15, 2024 at 11:22 AM
That is really a tough choice. It really boils down to what Hong wants. Is it closure or for them to start over? If its the latter, I will feel so bad for Min Jun. I sure hope the four main leads will find their own happiness.
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