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The Good Bad Mother: Episodes 5-6

Old faces return to the village one by one, but not all reunions are embraced with open arms. While some have forgotten the past, others have these memories carved into their soul, and the clash between those who have wronged and the those who have been wronged causes anger and resentment to bubble up. As our hero slowly learns more about his past, he may have to reconcile what he wishes to become and what he once was.

 
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Lee Do-hyun and Ahn Eun-jin in The Good Bad Mother: Episodes 5-6

Mi-joo is back in town for good, and while Kang-ho is immediately smitten, the same cannot be said for her. Though she once shared happy memories with him, he dumped her without a proper explanation, which left her with a lot of unresolved feelings. Thus, she tries to distance herself and her kids from Kang-ho, but the task proves ineffective in their small, tight-knit village.

As for Kang-ho, grabbing Mi-joo’s attention becomes his number one priority, so he sets off on getting a dog to impress her. He ends up with a pig instead, but like father like son, Kang-ho manages to lose it before getting a chance to show it to Mi-joo. With the twins joining the chase, the three troublemakers run around town to rescue the pig, and along the way, their annoying neighbor crashes his car to avoid them.

While the pig serves its purpose in reuniting the two lovers briefly, the annoying neighbor strikes again and takes Kang-ho and Young-soon to the police station. Thankfully, the officers are sympathetic to Young-soon, and Kang-ho seals the deal when he recalls details from the accident and recites laws the neighbor broke.

After their trip to the police station, Kang-ho returns home first and finds their living room trashed and filled with poop. He blames his pet pig, Lion, for the mess, but in actuality, Woo-byeok’s men broke into their house to recover the blackmail material on Tae-soo.

While Woo-byeok’s men hide and film their own rom-com moment in the closet, a third intruder enters the scene. Things turn chaotic as the new stranger tries to murder Kang-ho, and Woo-byeok’s men fly out to save him. By the time Young-soon arrives, all three intruders have vanished, and Kang-ho’s description of the night’s event sounds like a far-fetched lie.

Meanwhile, Woo-byeok’s men lose the hired killer, and both Woo-byeok and Tae-soo are seething at their lackeys’ incompetence. With one side needing him dead and the other needing him alive, it’s clear that Kang-ho holds the key to this war, and his enemies are willing to do anything in order to win.

Lee Do-hyun in The Good Bad Mother: Episodes 5-6

Back in the village, Mi-joo tries to relaunch her career with support from her mom, and heads off to town to look for potential spaces to rent. On her way, she drops her wallet, and Kang-ho happens to pick it up. He follows her to the marketplace to return it, but he misses her by seconds every time their paths almost cross.

Despite being in the countryside, the rent is much too high for Mi-joo, and her dreams to open a shop seem futile until a little errand for her mom turns into a fortuitous opportunity. After helping an older lady with nail troubles, Mi-joo tells them about her search, and the older ladies take no time in finding her a place to rent for free.

As Mi-joo leaves in high spirits, she spots Kang-ho in the streets being accosted by shopkeepers. Just moments before, a pickpocket tried to steal her wallet while Kang-ho was eye-shopping, and in order to catch the thief, he threw a vendor’s apple at him. As a result, the shopkeepers call him a thief, so Mi-joo intervenes on his behalf, breaking her own rule to stay away.

With Kang-ho and Mi-joo back in the village, the only one left still wandering outside is Sam-shik. Try as he might to turn a new leaf, Sam-shik never catches a break and ends up in trouble after causing a scene at the illegal gambling den. His boss wants an absurd amount of money as compensation, so with nowhere else to go, Sam-shik comes home as well.

Much like Mi-joo, Sam-shik is surprised to find Kang-ho in the village, but unlike her, he only has bad memories of Kang-ho. Back when he was in trouble for the stolen ring, he begged Kang-ho for help, but Kang-ho told him that they were not friends and kicked him out. Now in the present, Sam-shik yells at Kang-ho for what he did, and Kang-ho threatens to tattle on him for cursing.

However, since Young-soon is busy with the farm, Kang-ho turns to the twins for help. Though Mi-joo tries to send him away, the twins invite him to dinner, and the four of them sit around the table looking like a family. Noticing her discomfort, Kang-ho asks if he was a bad person to her, too, and her silence answers his question.

Lee Do-hyun and Ahn Eun-jin in The Good Bad Mother: Episodes 5-6

In the midst of all this, the annoying neighbor continues rearing his ugly head, and he uses his old connection with the villagers to rally them against Young-soon. Promising to build a concert hall and provide their kids with jobs, the annoying neighbor manages to convince most of them to join his cause, but on the day of the protest, no one shows up.

After seeing Sam-shik come home covered in bruises, his parents realize that they could never do something so cruel to Young-soon. Meanwhile, Mi-joo’s mom recalls the time Young-soon comforted her after her husband died, and sides with her friend instead. As for the village chief, he calls the annoying neighbor out on his lies, and hopefully with that, the pest gets the hint and skedaddles.

Ra Mi-ran in The Good Bad Mother: Episodes 5-6

Since their first attempt failed, Woo-byeok’s men return to find the evidence against Tae-soo, but with their bad luck, they come on the day Young-soon is working late. She finds them poking around her farm and believes their haphazard lies about being farmers who recently bought a plot of land in the area. As they leave empty-handed, they hear Young-soon cry out in pain and fall unconscious.

In a flashback, we see Young-soon wave at her family as they drive away to go on a picnic, but then a truck crashes into them. The moment of impact jolts Young-soon awake from her nightmare, and she finds herself lying in a hospital bed. As she goes to meet with the doctor, more terrible news falls into her lap: she has stage four stomach cancer.

Still dazed by the diagnosis, Young-soon stumbles out into the hallway and doesn’t notice Kang-ho until he calls out to her. Having heard from a nurse that she was in the hospital, Kang-ho came to see her, but in his excitement, he falls out of his wheelchair. Instinctively, Young-soon rushes to help him up, but then, she suddenly stops. She orders him to get up and leaves him behind.

I’ll be frank; I am not a fan of this new cancer plot. It feels slightly shoehorned, and I don’t think the story needs it. There are already so many plot points the show could develop instead, and I’m worried that her sickness will be used to garner sympathy and gloss over her past sins. Rather than give her a meaningful character arc where she is held accountable for her actions, this new trajectory feels like an easy way out for her to earn Kang-ho’s forgiveness. Hopefully, the show proves me wrong and weaves a compelling mother-son story about healing from trauma, but with the show nearly reaching its halfway mark, I’m starting to wonder if the creators might have been too ambitious.

While I enjoyed the ending of the annoying neighbor story, the bulk of the plot showed how much I’m not invested in the villagers. The annoying neighbor dragged on for too long, and most of his scenes could be cut without hurting the show. In fact, I think the pacing would be faster without the annoying neighbor, and the story would have been more meaningful if they spent it on the villagers and their relationship with Young-soon. The flashback to the funeral was poignant with the juxtaposition of their kids’ birth as well as the reflection between the adults and the children. It revealed a softer side to Young-soon and also explained why Mi-joo probably fell in love with Kang-ho in the first place. Those are the moments I enjoy and wish the show would spend more time on them rather than a plagiarizing composer singing weird renditions of existing songs.

Ahn Eun-jin in The Good Bad Mother: Episodes 5-6

Though Young-soon and Kang-ho are the stars of the show, Mi-joo is becoming my favorite. Her past scenes with Kang-ho are adorable, and I like the relationships she has with her family as well as the other leads. She is compassionate and generous; and even though I think she has every right to be mad at other people (e.g., Kang-ho, her ex-business partner), she doesn’t let past failures dictate her path forward. What I also like about Mi-joo is that she doesn’t treat Kang-ho cruelly or even with pity. Though she keeps her distance — probably to hide a secret — she does not see Kang-ho’s condition as a “shame” like the others have. Instead, she interacts with him as an adult, which is a rare quality in a world that is quick to judge him.

Based off Mi-joo’s reaction, Kang-ho is most likely the twins’ father, which wouldn’t be a surprise since he makes sense timeline-wise as well as narratively. I do wonder, though, what happened afterwards and if Kang-ho knew about the pregnancy. I can’t imagine him abandoning her and their children because the show has made it clear that she used to be his everything even if revenge became his magnum opus later in life. Presently, it feels like Mi-joo has kept the twins’ parentage a secret from everyone, including Kang-ho, because she has residual guilt over “ruining” his life. It’s another unintended consequence of Young-soon’s actions, and I wonder if she will ever learn how much she impacted those around her.

 
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Mi-Joo and Kang-Ho are the cutest couple I’ve seen in a while. So, as @stove said last week, he didn’t know she was pregnant, and clearly learned about his father and wanted to settle that. He couldn’t tell her about it, and she misunderstood. I felt so sad for both of them.
That smile on Kang Ho’s face when the assassin walks in was such a beautiful thing to see
Lee Do-Hyun is such a wonderful actor, I see a young boy when I see him, though my head tells me he is older.
My heart was breaking for Young-Soon when she was diagnosed with cancer until she appeared to start with her tough love thingy again. Jeez, woman, give it a rest already

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The only good thing about her reverting to her bad parenting is that it gave me hope that the show isn't going to completely ignore that angle in favor of the cancer storyline. My worry was that after that crying scene in ep. 3, the show was done showing Young-soon realize the error of her past abusive parenting. That would be unsatisfying and really cheat the characters and viewers of what should be a longer, bumpier path to redemption. But now it seems like maybe the writers haven't abandoned their commitment to showing mom's complete growth, and hopefully that means the cancer will help flesh that out rather than consuming it.

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Good point

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I think she's trying to force him to become independent before she (probably) dies. He won't stay on the floor forever, and she knows he has it in him. I do see her frustration with him sometimes, which seems natural.

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My heart didn't break at all when she was diagnosed. I could only think: you got what you deserve for being such an awful mum, and yet we are going to have her redemption only because she'll die.

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I must be more gullible than you then 😂

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Now that you mention it @lovepark, I sincerely hope the cancer is not a way for young soon to wiggle out of responsibility

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I agree that both the cancer and the annoying neighbor subplots feel shoehorned in and unnecessary. There's enough conflict and story without these things taking up more oxygen. I like the actor playing the composer, but he's so over-the-top awful that I am very tempted to fast forward all his scenes. Same with mask woman. I almost wish she was the lost daughter of a yakuza leader as that would make her at least somewhat interesting. But as it stands, she's just a rude woman with a face mask obsession eating up airtime that would be better devoted to a more interesting character.

As far as why Mi-joo (a character who is also fast becoming my favorite) has kept the paternity a secret, I don't think it's out of any kind of guilt over what Kang-ho became. My sense is that she was very angry and hurt--and rightfully so!--at his behavior. In fact, their breakup scene indicated to me that she truly believed he had used her as emotional, physical, and financial support while he studied to be a prosecutor, and once he had achieved that goal, he no longer had any use for her. It makes sense, then, that she would decide upon finding out she was pregnant that there was no reason for her to inform this "horrendous bastard" (as she describes her twins' father) of the situation. And later, if she was aware of the kind of prosecutor Kang-ho became, I can see why she would have continued not to want anything to do with him.

That said, these episodes reminded me of something I have tried to forget: that Kang-ho murdered a young mother and her infant. It may be that the show later reveals that Kang-ho only staged the murder, but at this point, we're supposed to believe that he drugged his victims and then left them to drown. When I remember that, it's harder to be charmed by this boyish, innocent child man or root for him to regain his memories and the version of his life that involves him being the person he was.

Overall, though, this show remains very entertaining, and its main story compelling, even if it's stumbling here and there in the development of the subplots. LDH also continues to be magnificent.

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I don't mind the masked woman as much anymore after these episodes. I've decided to think of her as a kdrama's answer to a Shakespearean Fool character - someone who is mostly there as a jester of sorts but is also the only one who can speak truthfully (and sometimes rudely) in some situations. It seemed like she just might not have a filter, but she really turned it around for me when she said that line about how much she pities Young-soon. That she lost her husband and almost lost her son and now the villagers that she trusted were turning on her. For some reason it just struck me right then that she was the only one who could have said that. It's probably an overly generous reading of her character, but it's what I'm going with for now.

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I think you are right that type of character serves a purpose, they just don’t work for me as a plot device. I never liked Falstaff in Henry IV part one, I saw him as a hinderance so he had to go and no English teacher could convince me otherwise. I bear a grudge and something he did/said turned me against him and there was no comeback. It’s the same with this woman, I noticed her statement too but it was too little too late for me to see anything positive about her.

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Oh that's so interesting to me! Did you ever watch The Hollow Crown, with Simon Russel Beale as Falstaff? I thought he was just brilliant in it and there is a scene where Henry V is pretending to be his father (Henry IV) and Falstaff is pretending to be Henry V that starts out ridiculous and funny and ends being so heartfelt I couldn't quite catch my breath. The ultimate tragedy of his character is that he doesn't change throughout the plays, and so Henry leaves him behind when he needs to grow up. I would love a scene like that here, that starts with Mask Lady being weird or ridiculous and ends with her saying something moving. If I got that, I'd consider all her other screentime worth it.

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I remember reading the review😊 sounds like it was amazing acting.

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This is a really great point! I've been so irritated with her that I missed the fact that she does offer important truths as the story progresses. I can't say I'll find her less annoying when I watch the next episodes, but your perspective has definitely shifted mine.

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You were tempted? I ffwd every scene with him without hesitation man I had zero patience for him like cmon why the heck was he so adamant in destroying her life when she couldnt care less about him at all my god he should put all that effort into composing his songs or smth

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I’m also really skeptical about the new stomach cancer plot. Making Young-soon die from a disease is not the same as holding her accountable for her past abuse, and I’m getting worried that the writer + PD doesn’t agree with me. It also just feels like a really juvenile route to take, story wise, because there’s so much authentic dramatic tension to mine from Kang-ho and Young-soon’s relationship - both in the past and currently - without resorting to cheap, tropey plot points. Theirs is such a rich, complex, tumultuous relationship, why would you ever want to stoop to something straight out of a makjang? There is room to explore thorny topics like generational trauma, traditional parenting methods, parental influence, gender roles, social climbing, and rural poverty - and I could go on - but they’re sticking to the cancer story instead. I’m disappointed. I’m disappointed and irritated and frustrated because it’s a clear ploy for forced audience sympathy to wring some cheap tears. After all, why put in the immensely complicated work of making someone take accountability and come to terms with the difficult fact that they mentally, emotionally and physically abused their own child when you can just… make them die instead? Ra Mi-ran and Lee Do-hyun are phenomenal actors and deserve better material than this.

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Mi-joo continues to be the best character in the show by leaps and bounds. The breakup scene hurt and I understood instantly why she wants nothing to do with Kang-ho at the moment. As far as she’s concerned, he used her financial and emotional labour to fund his studies and get comfort, and then abandoned her at the quickest possible opportunity. Her hiding the paternity of her children and lying about having a husband makes quite a bit of sense, actually. I think it’s out a combination of wanting no past connection to the man who so cruelly dumped and abandoned her and because it’s so tough to survive as an unmarried single mother in a violently patriarchal and marriage-centric society like South Korea. Pretending to be married is a smart move to protect oneself from an onslaught of social stigma that comes with having children out-of-wedlock. I’ve seen similar situations in real-life in my country and it’s always heartbreaking. The world is just unrelentingly cruel to women. The show can be so smartly-written when there’s real effort put into it, which is why its so confusing that they’re resorting to makjang tactics for the tear ducts.

The absolute generational trauma of Kang-ho resenting (or pretending to resent, who knows?) his father for “abandoning” his wife and unborn child by committing suicide, all while he unknowingly does the same, abandon his partner and their children by pursuing his revenge schemes.

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I agree, I've been enjoying all of Mi Joo's scenes so much. I think her writing has been great and I think the actress has helped to make her be knocked down by life without being pitiful, because I feel sad for her getting dumped by Kang Ho and cheated by her friend without feeling like it's too much tragedy. She's not a doormat, she's a regular person who is trying to get her life back in order and I loved her happiness at getting the shop in shop opportunity.

I really hope the writers will make Kang Ho's decision to dump her deeper than just wanting to get his revenge on Oh Tae Soo, i.e. that there would have been some sort of danger posed to her if he had her in his life at that point before he went to the dark side. Because their relationship was really sweet and he was clearly soft and sweet too before despite his mother's treatment of him, but I can't get behind just cold blooded revenge being the reason he threw it all out and abandoned her.

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I'm going to wait until the end of all 14 episodes to truly pass judgement, but I am concerned that the writers won't adequately explain how Kang-ho underwent such a radical personality shift. Seeing how sweet, kind-hearted, and unselfish he was in his relationship with Min-joo, it's hard to rationalize how he ended up being a person who knowingly let innocent people take the rap for a corrupt criminal overload or politician. I can absolutely understand his desire for revenge on the men who either facilitated or committed the murder of his father, but I'm not sure I buy that a grown man would undergo the kind of radical personality shift necessary to do the horrible things Kang-ho did in service of that revenge.

I think there really needs to be a deeper explanation here than simply that Kang-ho learned the truth about his father's death. But I'm not 100% confident the show will supply one.

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I'm holding to the idea that we'll have that explanation, and it's based on the way we were shown things. The flash backs of their relation we've seen so far are all from MiJoo's point of view. And you could see how well they knew each other because MiJoo understood before even they spoke to each other than something bad was going to happen. When he said "There is something I need to do", she said nothing, she didn't ask what it was or why she wasn't included. She knew she was not part of what he needed to do.
We need to know what happened to Kang Ho in the past.
From what we've seen, he never tried to hide both to TaeSoo or WooByeok who he was. So what was his plan? What were all the documents hidden in that secret cupboard along the gold?

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There he was again, the Truck of Doom. It seems to be a particularly dangerous area when it hits a family twice, first the mother's parents, years later Kang-ho himself.

Story-wise, not too much has actually happened in the last two episodes. But as long as I see Kang-ho together with the twins or Kang-ho with Min-joo, I don't care.

I don't think Min-joo didn't tell about her pregnancy because she felt guilty for "ruining" his life. Rather, she will have told herself that he didn't deserve to know about it because he dumped her. Also, I can well understand her wanting to cut any connection with Kang-ho.

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Lovepark, thanks for the recap !

I love the cast and most of the characters.
The story is interesting enough, I hope the writers can keep it under control.
Half way through is time to start answering questions with the material we already have to work worth, not introduce cancer with a reflux of “bad mom” .

More of the OTP’s past , what happened ?
Is there still a revenge aspect ?
The evil politician and his rebellious daughter, idk, could be better ?
The mask ahjumma , wth ? She spouts the strangest stuff
I kind of like the thug boss.

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‘I kind of like the thug boss.’ 👈🏾 I prefer him as the lesser of two evils because he is a thorn in the side of the politician who does not care about ANYONE. Political gains and serving his own needs is all that matters and everything else is collateral damage. However, this is all relative as the thug boss who is going all out to protect Kangho is the same man who was able to hang Kangho’s dad and chat rubbish sitting next to the corpse. He would have killed the minion it it had suited him so he too is beyond evil but in a very different way.

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I have previously enjoyed warming to bad characters -- I expect I am in the minority who were pulling for the older evil stepmom to win Ji Chang Wook (K2) instead of the damsel-in-distress daughter. So I am warming to our thug minions with hearts -- surely it was they who got good bad mama to the hospital when she collapsed (or maybe I misinterpreted).

Yes, boss thug’s killing Kang Ho’s father is 'beyond evil'. I don’t think anyone has mentioned before (but apologies if they have) that our TGBM director Sim Na Yeon also directed one of my favorites, Beyond Evil, the Baeksang Best Drama award for 2021. My impression is that the Baeksangs can be considered as the Academy Awards of KDrama.

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Not a fan of the cancer storyline like everyone else. But I'm most amused by the hapless thug minions, who are almost certainly going to end up with a field, a farm, and manure fertilizer before much longer.

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Thug life farmers, lol.

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The minion’s nervous rambling was so funny as he just kept digging that ditch and I really can see them moving into the village as part of their mission to keep Kangho safe.

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I can only agree with you. They will enjoy life in the country, and would find it less stressful for sure.

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Yes! I was so happy when the show leaned into the romantic potential of that closet scene, and then they were almost holding hands when trying to lie their way out of that barn. Please, Show, you've given us this annoying cancer storyline that is way too much in an already busy show, the least you can do is give us a thug minion side love story.

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Honestly we deserve that love story - the clumsy thug and the tsundere thug living happily ever after...

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There's such an intriguing central premise of the show with good moments throughout that is getting frustratingly bogged down by so many filler moments and unnecessary tropes. The part where an abusive mother gets a chance to fix her mistakes, a seemingly sensitive man turned callous and gone to the bad side who gets a chance to possibly address his misdoings and fix the relationship with the love of his life (or show a justifiable plot twist), and a woman who tried her best but kept failing because people cheated or abandoned her gets to set herself up and be happy again is the central plot, but everything around it is taking up so much time and energy.

Why does Young Soon have cancer now in order to make her awful to Kang Ho again as some sort of justifiable action to toughen him up? She's barely repented for how bad she was as a mother, now do we need to see her be bad again because it's going to be something to help him be self-sufficient (like that awful food deprivation montage) instead of her using that time to leave happy memories?

Why is there such a long winded plot point about the annoying new neighbor, what did it establish except to keep making the other villagers unlikable and fickle? Were we supposed to feel bad for the childhood bully because Kang Ho refused to help a criminal who had treated him badly all his life? That said, I did laugh at present day Kang Ho going to complain to his little friends about the bad man swearing at him, and them being ready to go and fight an adult on his behalf.

There were enough things I liked though to still keep hoping for better episodes. Mi Joo's scenes continues to be enjoyable, loved the little opportunity that just opened up for her business and I think her anger at Kang Ho (and not telling him about the kids if they are his) is fully justified, and her internal conflict with not taking it out on Kang Ho in his current state but wanting to protect herself is a sympathetic dilemma. The children are absolutely adorable and I love all their scenes, especially with Kang Ho as their same aged but not really buddy, they're the smartest people in that village. Kang Ho's childish crush on Mi Joo and the flickers of feelings and memories are nicely done too. I also liked that Mi Joo's mother didn't blame her and instead is trying her best to help her daughter out. Random lies aside, they're one good grown parent child relationship in this drama.

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I don't like at all the villagers, and their supposed comic relief is just annoying. It reminds me how I hated all the villagers in Racket boys. The only thing I am intrigued is if we'll recognise the chief's wife when she's not using a mask. Anyway, time spent with them is time wasted.

As for Mijo's mum, I do think she knows who the twins dad is, just by the way she looked both at KangHo and Mijoo in the last scene together, when he was leaving the house.

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Yeah, I couldn't figure out if the mom knew for sure or she just suspected it based on Mi Joo's past feelings, I think they showed her asking Mi Joo who the father was early on in one of their phone calls. She and Mi Joo were close so I think she might actually know about her being with Kang Ho at some point, but whether she knows he's the baby daddy or just suspects it, I can't tell.

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I felt the same way about Sam-sik. He was a bully, not a friend, when they were kids, and he continued to be pretty awful to Kang-ho when he encountered him as an adult. When he was in trouble and apologized for all the things he'd done I just rolled my eyes. That's not how apologies work, sir. You can't just say you're sorry because you need a favor from someone and expect them to think it is sincere. I want to feel bad for his character, but I just can't.

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I dislike Sam Sik's character and I don't think he's served any redemptive angle either yet. When I saw the flashback scenes of Kang Ho giving him cash and then him begging Kang Ho to help I couldn't figure out if the show wanted me to keep thinking Sam Sik was a shallow opportunist (who was still openly trying to embarrass Kang Ho in front of his coworkers) or if they wanted to show that Kang Ho had turned into a selfish man who couldn't show kindness to an old friend. Because if it's the second scenario, then it means it was just very badly written because all I thought was Sam Sik deserved every bad thing he got.

Just like Kang Ho's treatment of his mother pre-accident, the way he treated Sam Sik was exactly what he deserved, neither person deserved sympathy as far as their relationship with Kang Ho is concerned. Kang Ho's cold blooded nature and things worthy of censure was through his revenge angle, the cases he was losing his principles on and his abandonment of Mi Joo.

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Mijoo's scenes were just heartbreaking. Ahn Eun-jin is doing an amazing job portraying her emotions :')))

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Once again Ahn Eun Jin being spectacular. Mi Joo is such a great character and I honestly think she has the harder role. The nuanced expressions, the trying to tamp down her emotions around her kids while Kang Ho is around, the still striving for success, all while doing her best and being kind. Chef's kiss. That being said I agree MI Joo didn't tell him that he was the father because he doesn't deserve to know based on what she knows. I am also getting sick of Young Spon's shenanigans, being nasty to your son isn't going to make him get better faster. Cancer isn't a lesson, it is a disease. Be better woman. Good Bad mother with more bad indeed.

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So far I haven't seen her being a good mother, so sorry.

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You are right, sigh, ha

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@lovepark thank you for summing up this weeks events so succinctly you must have had a good laugh selecting the pictures this week🤣.

How can one drama have the sweetest love story and also have a mum who shuts down and defaults to abuse whenever she feels completely emotionally overwhelmed. I can not imagine what she must be going through knowing that Kangho’s quality of life as a disabled man in a care home will be beyond bleak. However, it is never going to be ok to resort to abusive strategies to fast track his rehab. She seems to have confused rehabilitation as a motivation and will power issue rather than a physical and emotional retraining and muscle building exercise.

I can understand that her childhood trauma of hearing the moment her family were killed and having to manage life as an orphan would have impacted on her emotional development. However, when we first met her she was working in a shop with an old man who seemed emotionally attached to her and she had a lovely husband so I am assuming she was provided with loving relationships at points in her life. The unexpected death of her husband and loss of her home and livelihood were clearly traumatising too but trauma is not an automatic trigger for abusive behaviour apart from in K dramaland where it is always seen as an unavoidable side effect to be tolerated and forgiven.

The baddies jumping out of the wardrobe to save Kangho from being killed was comedy gold. It was so typical of a kid the way he was telling his mum the story to explain the state of the room and her reaction was spot on too. There are so many times I am saying ‘this kid!’ when I watching Kangho trying to execute his ill fated schemes. It is a testimony to Lee Dohyun’s amazing abilities that he can convince us that he really has the mind of a seven year old. Not stupid, but viewing the world based on his limited life experiences.

The woman wearing a face mask 24/7 is so unrealistic when/if they reveal the story behind it I won’t care. Surely whatever the disfigurement she is hiding it’s not good for her skin to be constantly covered. Even people with severe allergies can remove the protection when they are home in a safe space.

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Whether or not we're given a real explanation for it, I feel like the mask thing is a gag that has way over-stayed its welcome. It was mildly amusing the first two times we saw her masked face and another character startle when they spied it, but now it's tiresome. It doesn't help that although the writing and acting suggests we're supposed to view this woman as quirky, I just find her obnoxious.

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Oh man, I get that, but I actually find her hilarious. I don't think there is anything underneath the mask, she just likes being a weirdo.

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I also think so. And in fact she is probably the only one among villagers I can more or less deal with. I know how she speaks her mind and says what others would never say. Probably because she's behind that mask.

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‘I just find her obnoxious.’ 👈🏾 this is why I need it to be because of something other than some weird image she tries to maintain.

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Indeed, ‘baddies jumping out of the wardrobe to save Kangho from being killed was comedy gold’, and also his realistic childlike description of it. I suspect much is owed to our master director for Lee Do Hyun’s delightful performance as a child. And the twins complete this terrific threesome.

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I always understood where Young Soon was coming from so I didn't her as villainous as others might. I understand in literal, technical terms she could be considered abusive or cold. I get it; the whole premise is she was a "bad" mother. That said I still find her interesting and compelling. I like how you can tell the moment a switch flips in her where decides she has take the hard ass/tough love/cruel stance.
Kudos to the actress.

I'm really like Kang Ho's actor's performance. He plays all the different versions of Kang Ho well. Almost don't want Kang Ho to get better because he's so endearing and earnest with his 7 year old mentality. When he was drawn to the bag because it reminded him of the "law exam meals"(I think that's what it was called), aww the bittersweetness. I wonder under which circumstances 10√2 will show up and how Kang Ho will react to it. I wouldn't be surprised if it involves the twins (I love them haha. More & more I'm thinking he's the father).

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One thing and again it's probably a cultural thing but why do people keep feeling entitled to people's help & cooperation just because they knew each other way back when? Young Soon has lived in that community for over 30 years yet that whiny neighbor got all nostalgic and was able to sway them even momentarily? Really? And in what ways were Sam Chik & Kang Ho ever friends? Especially friends enough that Kang Ho would not only care about his legal troubles but help him? Did Sam Chik forget all he did was tease or bully Kang Ho?

The lackeys were funny to me haha. I could so see them trying to go undercover in the village and one of them, the one who told all the lies, getting in too deep and becoming the mask haha.

It does seem a bit like there's a bunch of stories going on but I don't mind it.

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‘ Young Soon has lived in that community for over 30 years yet that whiny neighbor got all nostalgic and was able to sway them even momentarily?’👈🏾 It must have been so upsetting to be betrayed by the people you thought you could trust after all these years especially when they appeared to help her and her son at their worst possible moment. She must have felt like an outsider again. They acted like fair weather friends how can she trust them again especially now she will feel so vulnerable.

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I think she's compelling too, because she isn't one note (both the character and the actress). Young Soon had a hard life, she's worked herself to the bone and she is devoted to her child, which makes the fact that she was a bad mother who can now redeem herself with her second chance something I did want to see.

I think she's a mother who didn't realize she was being a bad mother because she was so devoted to making sure her son would be rich and powerful and never have to suffer the way she did. She thought the end justified the means and that he would be grateful for who he became, which is also why she was blindsided when he had her sign the form before the accident. If she was just evil for no reason or cruel without a purpose, she wouldn't be interesting or complicated at all. That's why the cancer thing annoys me because it's an unnecessary obstacle to an already interesting premise.

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I thought it just added another level of urgency but I get some people aren't into [sudden] illness tropes but I personally felt it works and has been telegraphed for a while.

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I agree we have too many examples of ‘bad mothers’ in K dramaland the ‘mother figure’ in Love in contract is a prime example of consistently maintaining a cold stance whilst selling the ‘this is for your own good’ approach. Crash course in romance showcased the mums who focus on education to the extent that it negatively impacts on their children’s mental health and ability to become competent adults with appropriate social skills.

Unlike those the one track minds of the mum characters in those dramas, we have seen Youngsoon warm and loving with Kangho when he was little, and in her marriage, warmth is part of her personality. She has always been all or nothing and she was prepared to take the hit in order to protect Kangho’s later life. That’s why she was shocked to see he had become the very person she was trying to protect him from.

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Yeah, her warmth when he was really young and with others vs her relentless drive to make him strong and successful at the expense of his mental health and happiness that ruined her relationship with him was what makes her complicated. She was trying to be a good mother in setting him up for life but her way of doing it made her a bad mother for him.

I do think there's a distinction to be made between her treatment of him leading to the deterioration of their relationship vs the person he (apparently so far) became. She is not responsible for him becoming a bad person (assuming face value of him being corrupt now), but yes, experiencing him turning his back on her and then seeing the evidence of who he is in his profession vs what she single mindedly tried to turn him into was a huge blow.

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We know she didn’t ‘make him a bad person’ because he was consistently sweet and loving with Mijoo, the staff at the shop where he had been doing part time work loved him and everywhere they went people saw them as a sweet couple. The face change represented the new him and came after he graduated. So we will definitely see something at some point that made him consciously change his whole outlook on life and think about the long game.

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I also don't find Young Soo to be ‘as villainous as others might’. My heart and admiration go to those who care for severely disabled family; it must be an emotionally and physically exhausting 24 hour job. Young Soo, who already has a 24 hour job running a pig farm on her own, has now also committed to sole care for her adult son. Though he acts adorable as a 7 year old, he and his adult body requires demanding care. Thus I am prepared to think she is innately good and hopefully will move towards more empathy for him.

Prolific supporting Kim Mi Kyung comes to mind as perhaps the most quintessential dedicated Kmother character (Her Private Life, Another Miss Oh, Forecasting Love and Weather, etc.). But her character is frequently overbearing and physically abusive to her daughters (forcefully hitting by parents is shocking by my standards). I have wondered if this is a cultural difference or just dramatic license.

It’s too soon in the drama for the mother to be completely good. Neither mother nor son have completed their path away from badness back to goodness, but I am hopeful they will get there. Their story arcs together with that of Mi Joo are substantial enough that I agree with those who think the drama is getting unnecessarily crowded with some of the other tropes.

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I also hate cancer. Not only as an unwelcomed intruder in this drama, but in real life - when friends and loved ones don't get the chance to redeem themselves and resort to familiar, sometimes hurtful, ways of dealing with things. I'm not faulting drama for inserting a condition that cannot be controlled. I'm going to trust Writer, PD and Ra Miran to handle it.

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I have little to add to what others have said: hate the cancer trope, the villagers. Love LDH as KangHo and AEJ as Mijoo. And of course the thug minions.

I know the idea we have of KangHo, the prosecutor, is not good: corrupted, suspect of murdering a woman and a child. We all hope it's related to his revenge and the plan he orchestrated to take down the men responsible for his dad's death, because 7 yo KangHo and preparing-for-prosecutor-in-love-with-Mijoo KangHo are just adorable.

Somehow I think that SamSik is also related to his revenge. We only know he was in jail because he was caught with a ring that belonged to someone rich and powerful. Was it TaeSoo? Someone related to him?KangHo told him, when SamSik asked for help: "I can't help you". It was not "I won't help you", but instead he couldn't. The same way he said to Mijoo he needed to do something.

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And THIS is why I cannot get invested in this show. I read the recaps every week and I will then watch the scenes that initially - pre-drama - brought me to this drama - Yoo in-soo as Sam-sik.

I don't give a flying. . . .whatever. . . .about his need for "Revenge-with-a-capital-R" which apparently is justification/excuse to break it off with Mi-joo in a very hurtful manner and it was OKAY for him to turn his back of Sam-sik who was innocent. It was OKAY (?) to seduce a woman (daughter of his perceived "enemy") and plan to marry her? It was OKAY (?) to agree to be adopted by his chosen "enemy". And it's all okay because Bad Mom??

I recognize that LDH and Mi-ran are incredible actors, but the narrative and overall story leave me cold because he chose revenge over love and apparently it's all Bad Mom's fault and the promise of a "beautiful healing story" will make everyone happy. And now. . . cancer trope.

So, rant over. I was really looking forward to this as portrayed in the teasers/trailers (with NO mention of revenge/bad guys). It's different than marketed. Glad that Bora! Deborah is released at the same time. 😊😊😊

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You make a really important point here re the justification element and an audience’s ability to connect with something in a tale that enables us to go on the journey with unlikeable characters. It is a big ask to make us witness distressing events without explanations that might help to make sense of unacceptable behaviour.

The ‘no one mentioned this element in ANY of the trailers’ effect is happening way too often and makes me mad too. We don’t know what we are actually signing up to and the disappoint is real when we find ourselves watching a different drama.

I had the same reaction to Bora that was sold as a romance with a heavy side of comedy for me the unexpected real time witnessing of a depressed woman coping with the worst kind of betrayal was not what I signed up. I struggled with her friend and sister letting her down big time when she was emotionally incapable of making rational decisions. The ‘men will be men so let’s forgive and forget the pre marriage fling’ statement coming out of a young woman’s mouth in 2023 was my disconnect moment.

However, the people who love Bora made a connection with something in that story that kept them in the story able to laugh along, feeling for Bora and her friend with the unfulfilling marriage until Bora’s dignity returned. In the same way, those of us sticking with this ‘healing drama’ with a heavy side order of unexpected revenge storyline and unacceptable levels of abusive parenting methods have been able to connect to something too.

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I totally agree with your take on Bora. Those who faithfully watch the drama are probably her loyal fan base. Not to take anything away from Yoo Inna, she is a great actress and delivers with great acting in whichever character role she plays. I am a big fan of hers too and was eagerly waiting for the premier of her latest drama. I was deeply disappointed not with her or the other actors but with the drama itself. Apart from her role as a Love Coach, the cheating BF and a skeptical book publisher and the all too familiar tropes we have seen in other dramas, what else is new or Where's The Beef? We want something new in content or substance that will keep us eagerly waiting for the next episode and once aired glued us to the screen. In that respect, I applaud the writers of Dr. Cha who in my opinion scored well in this department.

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I think lots of people going through drama slumps are feeling the same. It’s no fun watching the first episode of a long anticipated drama and after ticking off one too many of the the tired tropes signing off disappointed. We all want to see something familiar but done differently.

One of the beanies has developed an affectionate slant on the bingo card for one of the dramas they are looking forward to😊 I want the bingo full house of plenty of humour, characters that I can relate to, friendships across gender and age groups, interesting observations of life, positive family relationships, feel good factor lasting after the credits roll, etc.

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In my case, I had only watched Yoo In Na as FL's best friend in Secret Garden and I'm enjoying this drama (Bora Deborah) a lot. I am discovering her acting here, I guess.

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"Those who faithfully watch the drama are probably her loyal fan base. "

LOL, but I hesitated to watch because I was NOT a fan of Yoo Ina - quite the opposite, in fact. But I was in the mood for a rom-com and after 2 episodes, actually fell hard for the character of Soo Hyuk (probably because he is not unlike my husband).

So perhaps that is why I am a big fan - my expectations were different. I thought it would be the classic "enemies agree to fake dating to make the ex (or maybe 2 ex's) jealous". It's not - and I'm one of those viewers that is "eagerly waiting for the next episode". As a relative new-comer to k-drama, I am learning that managing expectations is important for my mental health.

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I don’t know how I feel about the cancer.

There is some seriously good writing in this, particularly with Kang-ho’s and Mi-joo’s relationship. But then we have Idiot 1 & Idiot 2. I’m sorry but their inadequacy (and weird humour) takes away the ruthlessness and scariness from what we’ve seen and what was already established about Chairman Song.

Not the mention Idiot 3, the trot musician being unnecessary filler and taking up valuable screen time, and for what purpose? I can understand if this was a slice of life drama without the all the revenge stuff. But there IS the revenge stuff!

Now adding cancer to the mix, the show is becoming kinda chaotic. Tonally what does it want to be? A redemption story between mother and son or a neo noir revenge thriller?

What was the relationship between Chairman Song & Kang-ho really like? Both had no illusions who each other were. But did they, despite knowing the truth, have affection towards each other?

I have more thoughts, and I’ll add to it later but I’m definitely not liking the inclusion of the cancer trope here…

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I'm not angry or annoyed with the cancer diagnosis. I think it's supposed be somewhat impressive (might be the wrong word) that she's so singlely focused on taking care of Kang Ho and the pig farm, she just powered through what would be immense discomfort & pain for most other people.

Obviously she's going to go back to being the "bad" mother because she feels like she needs to (a) prepare him for a life without her (b) be self sufficient because after hearing the neighbors, she probably feels even more that you can't rely on others even those who seemed like you could.

Another reason I don't mind it is it's just real. Cancer can just sneak up on you and upend your entire world. And she's already at stage 4. That's devastating news.

She's probably feeling like she doesn't even have to process or feel it because she just needs to make sure her son can take care of himself somehow even if he ends up resenting & hating her again.

I don't think she needs "redemption" but I think her sincere acknowledgement and apology is always a good move (and honestly I could totally see him still having complex feelings and emotions about it). I'm not saying this is model parenting nor would it be the most nuturing environment but I just get where she's coming from.

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‘ Obviously she's going to go back to being the "bad" mother because she feels like she needs to (a) prepare him for a life without her (b) be self sufficient because after hearing the neighbors, she probably feels even more that you can't rely on others even those who seemed like you could.’ 👈🏾 Exactly, she is consistent in her ‘when life sucks make sour sweets’ approach. He is going to have a tough life without her because institutional care is no joke. No one will have his interests at heart. Her techniques to meet his needs are way off because she only focuses on one or two needs, not the whole person. This is how she can rationalise and say to herself ‘I will be bad mother again’.

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I am curious about the “Bar Exam Meal” translation. I think there were 2 scenes where it also meant “put him behind bars”. Could it be that the Korean word/words for it meant both (“bar exam meal” and “put him behind bars”)? Just like how the Korean word “sagwa” could mean “apple” and “apologize”.

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I think people reacted to the "bar exam meal" phrase because it sounds like "bastard." Literally, the phrase means "3 bar exam meals" and 3 meals in Korean sounds like bastard. It's also a play on words for the famous variety show "Three Meals a Day."

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Thank you, Lovepark for enlightening me. I am familiar with the Korean word for “bastard” (as I often hear it in dramas 😄), but not with “3 meals”. I checked google translate out of further curiosity, and they indeed sound alike (se kki vs. saekki). Cool!

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Question: was the original reason for the farm being burned down really an eminent domain issue? And if so, is that still on the table, or are issues now so personal that that has gone by the wayside?

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In episode 1, because the buildings were destroyed in the fire, they moved to another village and started a new farm there, 'The Happy Farm". The neighbors had come over to complain about the stench from the pigs, and during the ruckus, our ML and FL were born within minutes of each other.

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Ohhh somehow I totally forgot about the move. The mom moved herself and became friends with the village citizens. Thank you for the reminder.

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These eps were just too cute! I loved when the twins sat on Kang-ho's lap and they took off to retrieve the pig + the scene where Sam-sik confronted Kang-ho and he was just so confused with the way he was behaving lmao

I have to admit, when I saw the promos for the show I already knew that it was gonna be a melodrama with an illness plot and good golly I can't believe I was right. I was so mad with myself I had to pause for a while when I saw the diagnosis.

Sigh I really don't know if I have anymore tears left to cry. I know for a fact the upcoming eps are gonna be heartbreaking.

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