The Good Bad Mother: Episodes 3-4
by lovepark
A terrible accident almost kills our hero, but in a stroke of luck, he is given a second chance at life. However, things have changed, and our heroes must learn to navigate this new world together. As our bad mother slowly repairs her relationship with her son, she realizes just how much she did not know about him and must decide what to do going forward.
EPISODES 3-4
Last week, I thought Ha-young was an innocent bystander who got caught up in Kang-ho’s revenge, so imagine my surprise when Tae-soo goes to the hospital to comfort his crying daughter only to whisper in her ear, “Good job.” (My jaw dropped.) All those coincidences — her driving, losing the scarf, parking on a ledge — were actually deliberate choices to stage the accident, but the deviousness of Tae-soo doesn’t stop there. In order to cover his tracks, he has the truck burned and the man killed.
However, Tae-soo is not the only villain around, and Woo-byeok proves to be a cunning foe. He sends his men to find the hit-and-run driver, and with a bit of leg work, they uncover Tae-soo’s nefarious plans. With enough incriminating evidence to ruin Tae-soo’s career, Woo-byeok has the man’s life in the palm of his hand, so Tae-soo reveals his own trump card: Kang-ho knows what they did to his father.
Woo-byeok feigns ignorance as he listens to Tae-soo prattle about their past and then smirks. He knew from the beginning who Kang-ho was, but the difference between him and Tae-soo is that the latter only sees Kang-ho as a threat while Woo-byeok recognizes the usefulness of a tool.
Despite Tae-soo’s attempt to kill Kang-ho, our prosecutor survives the crash though it leaves him with a spinal cord injury and retrograde amnesia. After watching her son lie unconscious for months, Young-soon is grateful to see him wake up no matter the state and takes him back home with her.
At first, she tries to keep Kang-ho’s condition a secret from her neighbors, but in such a small town, nothing stays hidden for too long. Soon, everyone hears about their predicament, but rather than judge, they bring her food and medicine. Touched by their generosity, Young-soon says that their kindness will make her weak, but the village chief tells her that nothing can replace a mother.
Regaining her strength, Young-soon resumes her care for Kang-ho and tackles her first big hurdle: his refusal to eat. No matter what kind of food she makes, Kang-ho closes his mouth and turns his head away. The neighborhood doctor tells Young-soon that certain patients lose the will to live after their accidents, but his explanation offers no solutions or peace of mind.
As the days go by with no change in sight, Young-soon grows frustrated with Kang-ho until she finally explodes and shoves food in his face. She yells at him to eat, and Kang-ho looks up at his mom with tears pooling in his eyes. For the first time since his accident, he speaks up, “You get sleepy when you’re full. If you’re sleepy, then you can’t study.”
While Kang-ho repeats those words over and over again, Young-soon realizes what she did to her son and breaks down. She tells him that she just wanted him to be happy and apologizes for what she did. She begs him to eat, and Kang-ho takes a bite of food.
After that incident, Kang-ho starts to improve drastically, but Young-soon is not satisfied. She plans to have her son back to his old self no matter the method, and thus, her bad parenting habits kick in again. She uses hunger as a motivator to make him practice his motor skills, and in the end, Kang-ho manages to feed himself through sheer willpower. Though I should be happy seeing him get better, the emphasis on results regardless of the means leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
Besides Kang-ho and his mom, the show reveals what happened to the other two from the original baby trio, and as it turns out, life has not treated them well, either. Mi-joo is a single mother of twins with the father nowhere in the picture, and to make matters worse, her business partner scammed her and left her with a mountain of debt.
As for Sam-shik, the ring he received in lieu of a paycheck at his work turned out to be stolen, and unfortunately, he ended up in jail for larceny. After serving his time, Sam-shik’s first course of action is to trick his mom for some cash and visit Mi-joo (some things don’t change). Still a rascal, Sam-shik lies to Mi-joo about making an honest living as a fisherman when, in reality, he works as a server in an illegal gambling den.
While Mi-joo unsuccessfully looks for her old business partner, she is reminded of a happier time from her past with Kang-ho. After her accident, Mi-joo and Kang-ho drifted apart, but sometime later, she ran into him at a restaurant where he worked. As they reconnected, Mi-joo discovered her purpose in life and wanted to invest in Kang-ho’s future.
The old lovers rekindled their relationship, and Kang-ho got to concentrate solely on his studies while Mi-joo worked diligently as a nail technician to support them both. Their hard work paid off with Kang-ho passing the bar exam, and the two talked about their future together. Mi-joo promised to marry him once he saved her a third time, and Kang-ho told her that she made him want to live so he could be by her side.
Spring has arrived in the village, and Kang-ho can now travel outside in a wheelchair. He mostly plays with Mi-joo’s twins who see him as another seven-year-old and treat him as such. One day, when Young-soon leaves town to take care of somethings, the twins take Kang-ho out to play with the special ball they got from their mom. Unaware of his own strength, Kang-ho hits the ball out of the park, and the twins threaten to tattle on him.
Meanwhile, Young-soon stops by Kang-ho’s old apartment and workplace to retrieve his stuff. She crosses path with a protestor calling her son corrupt, so Young-soon confronts her. The protestor berates her for raising a horrible person and prays that he gets punished for his crimes. In the heat of the moment, Young-soon defends Kang-ho, but on the drive back, doubt starts creeping into her mind.
Her suspicions worsen when she finds gold bars amongst his possessions, and when she gets home, she takes her anger out on her son. She tells him that he is being punished for his crimes, and Kang-ho apologizes for something he doesn’t remember.
Seeing her son cry, Young-soon composes herself and takes him out to the farm where she shows him the pigs. Repeating the opening narration from Episode 1, Young-soon tells Kang-ho that pigs cannot look up at the sky unless they fall. She explains to her son that they fell, too, which means they are getting a chance to look at a new, precious world right now.
With their relationship mended, Kang-ho turns his attention back to his previous dilemma: the twins’ lost ball. While Young-soon goes to work, Kang-ho searches everywhere in the village and leaves a mess behind him. Noticing her missing son, Young-soon chases after him, but loses his trail when Kang-ho turns into the forest.
The sun sets in the middle of Kang-ho’s search, and the uneven terrain coupled with poor light causes him to fall out of his wheelchair. As he turns around to look up, he finds the ball stuck in a tree. Wanting to show off his success, Kang-ho goes to the twins’ house, but to his surprise, Mi-joo opens the door.
It’s odd. I came in prepared to love the villagers and the countryside, but instead, I find myself captivated by the villains and the revenge plot. While the villagers are sweet, they are a bit one-note. They play the same gags over again, and at the moment, I don’t feel a connection to any of them. They come across as background characters rather than meaningful individuals, and unfortunately, they don’t add much to the story besides a few laughs. There’s still plenty of room for growth, and hopefully, the addition of Mi-joo and Sam-shik will give all the villagers a chance to shine beyond their current roles.
On the other hand, I think the villains are fascinating, which is surprising since I prefer slice-of-life over revenge tales. Woo-byeok and Tae-soo, while predictable in their own right, are fun to watch because they serve a clear purpose to the story and bring actual tension. Both villains are menacing because they let their actions speak for themselves without the need to posture, and the show makes it clear that neither has any qualms about crossing legal and moral lines. The other aspect I like about the revenge plot is the hints we’re given about past Kang-ho. Everyone has an image of Kang-ho in their head — there’s Young-soon’s memories as well as Mi-joo’s — but none of these matches the prosecutor-version of Kang-ho. While I’m curious about Kang-ho’s future, I also want to learn more about his past because I don’t think anyone at the moment knows who he truly was.
The “healing” part of the show just started, and as expected, the mother-son relationship is still rocky. It makes sense that even after given a second chance Young-soon resorts to the same parenting tactics because her ideologies are deeply ingrained. She believes the ends justify the means, which is why she pushes her son to his limits.
Even though she witnessed firsthand the consequences of her methods, she still chose to fall into the same traps. She denies him food to make him want to feed himself, completely forgetting that her controlling behavior with food almost caused him to starve to death. It’s frustrating to watch Young-soon sometimes because it feels like an endless cycle of abuse with very little accountability. Is she learning the errors of her way or simply repeating her mistakes under new circumstances? I hope Young-soon grows from this experience to become a better mother because I believe her when she says that she loves her son. Like her comment about falling down, I want her to actually take her words to heart and look at her relationship with Kang-ho in a new light because she isn’t wrong; in the midst of tragedy, hope still lingers.
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1 Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 5, 2023 at 10:18 AM
Thanks for the weecap @lovepark. I agree that Youngsoon needs to really be taken to account for her abusive techniques starving someone to make them speed up their healing process was a breach of basic human rights. It wasn’t that he was being lazy he literally had to build up his strength and techniques. It also made no sense when she was so upset when he wasn’t eating before.
The children are really living their best lives wandering around the village without adult supervision and treating Kangho as a live doll rather than someone with a significant injury. Every time he falls out the wheelchair whether at speed or not is a potential situation for life threatening injury’s as he has no feelings pain would not be a warning.
I also did not like the disrespectful way the two mums were talking about not wanting to wash him in his presence as it was a breach of his rights to be treated with respect in order to maintain his personal dignity.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 5, 2023 at 10:22 AM
Mijoo and Kangho had a really stable and solid relationship so I am desperate to know how it came to end. He was out of his mother’s control living in Seoul surely it can’t have been her shutting it down again.
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Nefret
May 5, 2023 at 11:14 AM
My theory is that he somehow found out how his father died and started plotting revenge. Since he didn't want to burden Mi-joo with it, he broke up with her.
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queenmee
May 6, 2023 at 1:07 AM
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Asha13
May 5, 2023 at 10:40 AM
The starving but made me want to scream. It’s mindlessly stupid
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Eazal
May 5, 2023 at 1:03 PM
I can only agree, tbh. YoungSoo says she loves her son and she is proud of him, but she didn't rise a son, she abused of a child to achieve what she wanted, so I can only understand Kangho hate and that he barely spoke to her before the accident. All the hate that he felt and that now is gone... will be back when he gets his memory back? Honestly I hope it does, because I hate filial piety as a trope, and what Youngsoon did was almost criminal.
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pohonphee
May 5, 2023 at 6:33 PM
Yes this is. I don't really understand why Kang-ho is so angry toward his mom. I know much much worst parents than her. Being an adult means you come to realise your parent isn't perfect like you are, because they are human. And becoming who you are right now, part of it is the role of your parent, the rest is your own part. And he becomes a successful prosecutor nonetheless.
But how his mom uses food to threaten her son, even for achieving good goal, is so nasty. Her son isn't a pig, food shouldn't be used like that. It makes unhealthy relationship with food. Thanks God, her son didn't become obese or have eating disorders when he grows up. It is miracle.
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Roman
January 5, 2024 at 7:45 AM
Heh heh heh. Was it disrespectful for the 2 moms to talk about washing him or was it a build up to the wife of Son Yong-rak stepping up to do it!! One of the funniest moments. I just love her.... she always just cuts to the truth.
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2 Asha13
May 5, 2023 at 10:20 AM
“It’s frustrating to watch Young-soon sometimes because it feels like an endless cycle of abuse with very little accountability”. I absolutely agree.
The way she takes her frustrations out on her son, hitting him and blaming him, makes it hard to take her side. Does she not think she bears some responsibility for his actions?
I wanted to say how much I liked Lee Do Hyun’s acting. He is convincing as a 7 year old without overdoing it
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Asha13
May 5, 2023 at 10:21 AM
I am thinking the twins are Kant Ho’s from when they lived together
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 5, 2023 at 10:30 AM
I hope not as she was talking to someone about the dad being out of reach and we saw that Kangho’s mum always knew his address even if she was never allowed in the house. I know Mijoo has her pride and her family are trying to cover for the situation but knowing the money Kangho would have been making and his mum’s stuck up attitude I would have thought she would have wanted to get some money for the children especially if things ended on a bad note or he didn't know she was pregnant when they broke up.
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Asha13
May 5, 2023 at 10:38 AM
Is it possible he didn’t know she was pregnant and cut ties to protect her, as @stove said below?
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 5, 2023 at 10:44 AM
That would make sense but I think it would work better if they broke up and she ended up with someone else on the rebound who turned out to be unreliable and left when she got pregnant by accident.
Eazal
May 5, 2023 at 1:08 PM
I also think so. Even if a missing father is mentioned at some point of episode 4 it hit me that it didn't make sense, specially after their being back together, but I guess we will find out soon.
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Minka
May 12, 2023 at 8:07 PM
I think so too. My guess is that Mi-joo broke up with Kang-ho when she got pregnant by him and did not let him know. She might have thought it would distract or even ruin Kang-ho’s future. She has always been supportive of his dreams while he puts her first before his studies (remember the motorcycle incident). She may have actually met a new guy but I am guessing it was nothing serious, and that she just portrays him as the father in her story.
What a fan theory huh. Haha…
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3 stove
May 5, 2023 at 10:23 AM
The beginning is very promising and I think Kang Ho left Mi Joo after discovering his father's death story. He wanted to focus on revenge and did not put Mi Joo in danger. I suspect the twins are his children. I hope this will be a meaningful healing story.
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4 Nefret
May 5, 2023 at 10:35 AM
It would be a big surprise if Kang-ho is not the father of the twins, everything points to his paternity.
I am still convinced that Kang-ho did not turn to the dark side, at least not completely. The murder of the mother and her child was certainly faked. But I'm not quite so sure about the conviction of an innocent man. Maybe he is dirty after all, or I just can't think of a solution how he could have protected the innocent man after all.
But that makes the drama all the more interesting.
However, I have a big problem with how Kang-ho regained the mobility of his arms. I understand that the mother doesn't change overnight and she sort of fell back into her old pattern of behaviour, but I'm bothered that the writers make it seem like willpower alone is enough to overcome paralysis.
I like the way Lee Do-hyun portrays a seven-year-old adult, it seems so believable and at all exaggerated and awkward.
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Asha13
May 5, 2023 at 10:39 AM
Maybe it’s a “ends justify the means” thing in his mind?
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 5, 2023 at 10:41 AM
I think he was playing the long game when it came to the revenge ploy. He definitely did not kill the woman and the baby but I don’t know why she needed to be drugged to keep her safe.
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Eazal
May 5, 2023 at 1:10 PM
Maybe she was not drugged. We only saw her slept in the backseat, maybe she was just taking a nap, and he just added sugar to her coffee.
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Unaspirated
May 5, 2023 at 10:57 AM
Hahaha, I had the same thought. It all seems to be lining up that way, so I'll be surprised too if it turns out they have a different father. The real question is: did he know about them?
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Nefret
May 5, 2023 at 1:40 PM
I'm sure he didn't know about the children.
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5 Unaspirated
May 5, 2023 at 10:56 AM
So, Kang-ho is definitely Ye-jin and Seo-jin’s dad, right? I’m not completely sure that the timeline lines up, but it seems like it does, and that would make a few more of the pieces fall into place. It was so cute to see Kang-ho and Mi-joo when he was studying for the bar. And I’m excited to see their reconnection play out! In those few moments at the end, it did not look like anyone had told her what had happened, but even if they had I’m sure they’d still be off to a rocky start. So much history there.
I’m hoping that the newfound knowledge that Kang-ho was likely corrupt will be the awakening Young-soon needs to reconsider her methods. Her starving him to get the result she wanted (again) was just awful, but I’m hoping that she’ll realize that she was a big part of what led him into that mess of a life and be able to take a different tactic. I'm finding it hard to feel sorry for her at this point, especially when she's upset about how he has been living his life. But I'm also super interested to see what happened between the cute scenes we saw with Mi-joo and the life we saw him in in ep 1 and 2. Must have been something big for him to change that much.
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stove
May 5, 2023 at 11:05 AM
It is sort of expected that Kang Ho turns to the dark side the way he was pushed by his mother. It would be great if writers play their nature vs nurture wisely and made a compelling story.
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Relisher
May 5, 2023 at 2:06 PM
The twins not being Kang Ho's kids would really surprise me because it seems like such an ironclad drama trope lol. But it does worry me that the reasoning for their separation might not be strong enough for me, because I thought Kang Ho and Mi Joo made for such a wonderful couple and I loved their scenes together. Him knowing about the kids but abandoning her would make him unredeemable as a partner, and his shift to being so obsessed with revenge as to try and marry his nemesis' daughter without being held back by thoughts of Mi Joo would be really unpleasant.
I hope they do have Young Soon having deeper realizations of how messed up she was as a mother because it's clear that she loves him and is trying so hard to help him but it's also obvious that she was a horrible mother and he was better off away from her. I don't want the show to sanitize it with one crying scene and then letting it go. His malpractice/possible criminal behavior isn't her fault, but her treatment of him and his subsequent avoidance of her as an adult was 100% her fault.
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6 Relisher
May 5, 2023 at 11:16 AM
This show is both interesting and frustrating at the same time. The mother's abuse is being both acknowledged but then glossed over. The villagers who keep talking about how great a mother she was and how ungrateful Kang Ho was even though they all saw and acknowledged how hard she was on him are strange? Why are we supposed to feel sorry for her being ignored or disrespected by him after it's been so obvious she abused him growing up?
Also, having her use food deprivation as a way to prompt him to try and move his hands was horrible, that was the same kind of abuse all over again. The show wants to get the sad moments and understanding, but then doesn't fully allow the bad things she did to be internalized, she did the same abusive thing again, this time just dressed up as her trying to help him.
However, Young Soon's abuse does not mean she is responsible for Kang Ho being a bad person as an adult, that is his own responsibility. Her abuse is just the reason for their bad relationship. I do think the awfulness we've seen so far is somewhat of a fake-out. He's clearly not blameless given how he allowed the grandson to go free because he wanted to get closer to Woo-Byeok, but I think some of the rest is just a long game he's playing to get the culprits in his father's case punished. I'm interested in seeing how they manage that.
I'm sad about Kang Ho and Mi Joo splintering apart because their relationship seemed lovely, both as kids and as adults. I suspect the kids are his but unless the writing is really strong on very high or dangerous stakes creating the divide and him not knowing she was pregnant, it might be hard to root for a relationship where a man abandoned his pregnant partner just to get revenge.
I find the villagers really one dimensional and annoying, these are all good character actors and I've liked them on other shows but they're not getting any depth or interesting moments, just hamming it up. They just seem to be filler, except maybe one or two touching moments. The little kids are adorable though.
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7 Kafiyah Bello
May 5, 2023 at 11:36 AM
Mi Joo and Kang Ho have the most realistic kdrama romance I have seen in a long time. They have intimacy, which is so very very rare in kdramas. From the little pecks to cuddling in bed. They were together properly, so adorable, I assume he found out about his dad as mentioned above and wanted to get revenge so he broke up with her. That being said I am also assuming the twins are his. They are disgustingly adorable and champion actors too.
As for Youngsoon and her parenting ways. I need her to come to Jesus or Buddha moment, because girl... No. I hope they make her take accountability for being a not so great mother
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Eazal
May 5, 2023 at 1:13 PM
I was thinking exactly the same as you when I watched Mijoo and Kanghoo cuddling in bed!! At least a realistic romance: two people that love each other sharing a bed, bickering, kissing and hugging. Hope we get more!
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Minka
May 12, 2023 at 8:17 PM
I especially liked the bed cuddling too! I felt their love and adoration for each other. It was heartwarming.
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8 LaurenSophie
May 5, 2023 at 11:43 AM
I haven't yet seen ep. 4, but lovepark, you definitely hit on the source of my frustration with Young-soon: she still has the same "the end justifies the means" mentality that led to her son not only hating her but also coming close to death (I understand that she's not directly responsible for the latter, but certainly, had she been a better parent, he would have never ended up in that situation in the first place).
My concern while watching was that the show, too, was condoning this behavior in some way by focusing on the triumph of Kang-ho ultimately feeding himself rather than Young-soon's abusive methods. The show is well done, however, so my worry is probably misplaced. And certainly, it's not at all surprising that Young-soon would fall right back into her former patterns of behavior; that's what most of us do, and abusers are no exception. So I do applaud the show for not suggesting this woman would magically gain understanding of the abusive nature of her former behavior AND be able to avoid doing what she's always done when she got desperate for a specific result.
At the same time, for this story to ultimately be successful, Young-soon has to radically change her view of herself and the world, and likely also confront her grief and anger, both of which led her to become the bitter, abusive parent she was and is.
And this is not surprising, of course, but Lee Do-hyun is doing such convincing work here, as is the actress playing his mom. They also have great mother/son chemistry.
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9 s
May 5, 2023 at 11:47 AM
Right before she sees that he moved the robot and then she withholds food, she took a call from the rehabilitation center saying that they didn't have time/space in their schedule available for his recovery. She expresses worry because she was told his bones would stiffen should he not start rehab.
I wonder if she didn't do the tough love with the food as some sort of rehab in lieu of access to a profession rehabilitation center?
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 5, 2023 at 11:56 AM
Her reasoning was always ‘as long as it is for the right reasons the means justified the ends’. But doing rehab is never about rewards and punishments or taking away basics like food. Tough love and abuse are two different things.
The little pig who jumped out of the pin was healthy and it made sense he would go for food but Kangho is literally disabled and she knew without rehab he would be unable to move so she could have made him practice between meals.
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Minka
May 12, 2023 at 8:32 PM
Totally agree. I was never convinced by Young-soon’s food deprivation method, even with the hungry pig inspiration. And you pointing out that the pig is healthy while Kang-ho is literally disabled, all the more makes me think the idea was stupid.
I was cringing at the entire food deprivation scene. It was too cruel, unreasonable, and unacceptable for me. And like Lovepark, I did not feel exactly happy with Kang-ho’s triumph in the end because of the harsh means.
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10 Britney
May 5, 2023 at 12:08 PM
During the scene when Young Soon left with the food as Kang Ho was calling for her, my mother was like "can she not hear him?" I guess she couldn't understand how a mother could ignore their kid crying out to them.
I'm liking the show so far and I'm liking the performances.
One thing that came to mind is is it Korean culture to lie about how things are going? I just thought there was so much needless lying. Why is it shameful that the daughter got divorced? Now wouldn't it be more shameful when it's discovered that you lied about her being happily married & living abroad when in actuality she's being chased by creditors due to being screwed over by a supposed friend? Same with Young Soon lying about Kang Ho's injuries.
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miso
May 5, 2023 at 12:30 PM
"is it Korean culture to lie about how things are going" ... I was wondering the exact same thing. Every single character has lied about how their life is going so far. It's so pointless when everyone is up in everyone else's business in the village. Even the ones who have left the village like Mijoo and Sam-sik keep lying!
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LaurenSophie
May 5, 2023 at 12:33 PM
I had the same questions about the lying. Additionally, doesn't it bother anyone that Ming-joo is off living in the States with her husband and leaving her children to be raised by her mother? That seems way odder and more shameful than a divorce, single motherhood, or a mom struggling to make ends meet.
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Linarrick
May 5, 2023 at 8:21 PM
Not necessarily? One argument could be for her children to retain their Korean heritage if we are going with the USA lie. But the most likely explanation is (as someone who is South Asian), it’s assumed very heavily that the grandparents (more like the grandmothers) would help out with their grandchildren.
I am the second daughter, my mother was working full-time in the city while also taking care of us, since I was so young and needed a lot of attention, I was sent to my grandmother who took care of me in her village. This wasn’t for a long period. And I’m not sure how long Mi-joo’s children stayed with their grandmother. It’s also possible that Mi-joo couldn’t provide for her children’s needs in a city like Seoul but was making more money in the city than she would in the village.
When her business was becoming a success, it looked like she was ready to bring her children back to Seoul too.
And there is certainly stigmas surrounding parents who have children out of wedlock, single parents and divorced parents from watching dramas like Healer & One Spring Night. But again I’m not sure how representative of these attitudes are in reality in Korean society
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 5, 2023 at 9:51 PM
In a lot of cultures grandparents raise the children while parents work in other cities or countries because the parents need time to settle and build up finances find appropriate housing etc. to bring the children over. It’s usually the hours they have to work or the type of job they do is lower pay. There’s a whole generation of Caribbean children who were left with relatives for a period of time when their parents moved to the UK in the 50’s and 60’s.
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dramadillo
May 5, 2023 at 10:37 PM
This is probably an in-person conversation to be had over a hot chocolate one afternoon, but I’m curious as to how this affects attachment? I know that having grandparents take on this role is quite common, and in some cultures nannies play a prominent role in a child’s life (or children’s lives) because both parents work. I suppose I’m wondering what happens when there’s an adult for bonding and trust to develop, but it’s just not one of the parents? And then what happens if one of the parents takes over that role again?
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 5, 2023 at 10:42 PM
Definitely an in person conversation, as for some it was made worse because they were abused by the relatives they were left with, or they came to UK to find parents had had more children who had been born here so they felt the parents loved the born in UK kids more than them as those kids got to stay with the parents for their entire childhood. They also had to face culture shock with the weather and racism being dominant factors.
dramadillo
May 5, 2023 at 10:55 PM
Thank you for explaining, @reply1988 - that’s heartbreaking.😢 It’s not anyone’s fault when our circumstances require some of these sacrifices, and as adults, we make choices that are often the least bad out of a handful of limited options. It’s just that we don’t realise what the experience is like from a child’s perspective, and it can be so hard on them.
Unaspirated
May 5, 2023 at 12:40 PM
I was wondering something similar about the lying. Also, you've lived among these people for 35+ years and everyone is in everyone else's business - how did Young-soon think she was going to keep him a secret during his entire recovery period? How much weirder would it have been for them to discover suddenly that he was childlike again with no warning when he was wheeling himself around one day?
Divorce does have a stigma and so does being an unwed mother, but surely these neighbors are the ones who should judge you the least because they know you so well? The lies are just waiting to be found out, and I agree, that will be way more embarrassing.
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Linarrick
May 5, 2023 at 7:38 PM
As someone who is South Asian and had been brought up in the culture, even your close blood relatives will gossip and judge you. To this day my mother’s brothers and sisters don’t know I have a disability (I’m nearing 30 btw). While I actually think the villagers are the opposite and have shown to be supportive the stigma and shame from the Korean culture is real. Logically it doesn’t make sense for her to hide her son, but emotionally it does. She even said in the beginning death would be better than to have a disabled ‘dumb’ son, but now she realises that’s not the case at all. And I guess she didn’t want the villagers pity, to be a laughing stock and for the villagers to also think he should’ve died instead.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 5, 2023 at 10:02 PM
Also lying is not cultural, it’s something people do in all societies, social taboos have been managed through lies for years. Unwed mothers left their children in homes while they went to sort themselves out but when they went back to collect their children they had been shipped off to Australia or had been adopted. That was then and even now there are hidden pregnancies and abandoned babies or baby boxes for children to be dropped off anonymously. We can all look around and see that shame/embarrassment/keeping up with the Jones leads to people not discussing a range of everyday issues like redundancy, mental illness, disability, domestic abuse, debts, drug and alcohol dependency,
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dramadillo
May 5, 2023 at 10:43 PM
I also think people often lie not because they’ve thought it through and have some kind of realistic, practical plan in place to maintain the lie. People lie because telling the truth and talking about something very difficult to them is much worse in their minds than just keeping a lie going (even unsuccessfully) for a long time. It’s a way to delay or avoid something very unpleasant.
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11 Britney
May 5, 2023 at 1:56 PM
Is anyone else wondering if Kang Ho is the twins' father? Like she got pregnant and before she could tell him, he broke up with her (for whatever reason. Maybe to start his trek to the darkside) and she decided not to tell him and came up with a "having a husband who then left her" lie for her mother? That way she wouldn't have been "unwed" at the time of conception.
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12 Britney
May 5, 2023 at 2:08 PM
The scene when the women were uncomfortable washing Kang Ho and then the mask wearing lady volunteered to do it was so creepy on so many levels to me. It kinda feels like it was supposed to be cringe humor but I'm not sure.
Objectively, it does make some sense they would be a bit weird about washing a 30 something year old man they aren't related to *however* them talking about him like he wasn't even there made everything creepier. Cause now it's like which old woman is going to be washing him. Even with the mind of a 7 year old, that was unsettling and uncomfortable. Especially with the mind of a 7 year old.
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13 pliplipli
May 5, 2023 at 5:13 PM
everything related to kang ho's condition is done in a terrible manner IMO. its like the writers didn't bother to research and be as realistic as possible. I dont expect this drama to be about rehab in itself, but how can they just let someone starve as a way to force them to get better. and it worked. what a terrible message to send. its so irresponsible. and how can he just go to the top of a mountain to play with kids. I'm all for him to have some agency but come on.
the drama is not doing anything for me so I will just keep reading the recaps for now. its like the story wants me to feel emotions but I just feel cold. the emotional scenes dont get any reaction for me. the acting is good bcs both leads are amazing actors, but I dont care about these characters. the villagers are awful, even when they're trying to help (the mask lady.. go away please)
I will be surprised if the drama doesn't make kangho the twins' dad.
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14 Linarrick
May 5, 2023 at 6:12 PM
While I didn’t like how Young-soon fell back to her bad habits with food, it does still make sense with her character, she still needs to grow. I liked how the drama has slowly changed her perspective. From calling her son stupid and being ashamed and hiding Kang-ho to then realising that he isn’t an idiot and relying on the villagers for support so she can take care of Kang-ho.
While she interacted with the villagers before she rarely asked for help, this is very much in line with how Kang-ho grew up, to always study and only rely on himself, since he was ostracised from his peers with Mi-joo being the only exception.
I LOVED the montage of Mi-joo’s and Kang-ho’s relationship (I also think this is the first time Lee Do-hyun actually has chemistry with his costar imo, the power of Ahn Eun-jin!). For the first time he relied on someone who didn’t demonise him, let him eat until he was full and unconditionally loved him. I also liked how the show actually portrayed the unpaid labour of one's partner. In this case Mi-joo’s paid and unpaid labour to support her boyfriend Kang-ho.
I really want to know what happened between them, because I’m guessing their breakup was the catalyst for why Kang-ho went to the dark side. While I don’t think he killed the woman and her baby (I still think he has a moral code), he did imprison people unfairly. Even if all this was to get revenge for his father it’s still highly unethical the say the least…
What can I say I’m very addicted to this show and have lots of thoughts! We have an anti-hero and a mother who raised him that way, even if it wasn’t her intention. The show heavily referencing the free pig and caged pig analogy. She caged her son and told him to only study to become powerful, and well he did but just not the powerful she expected him to be.
The fact she realised this AFTER her methods of depriving food from her son so he can be motivated to move his hands (I mean seriously that logic makes no sense, he needs energy from food to actually make progress…). I think is quite telling, she’s understanding her ‘love’ was actually abuse and a major part of why he became corrupt was because of her. So yeah I’m really hoping she’ll stop her food deprivation now.
Also eventually finding out her son Kang-ho wanted to be adopted to Chairman Song, the man who killed her husband is gonna be a major blow.
Lastly, can I just gush about Mi-joo! Unlike both Kang-ho and to a smaller extent Sam-sik, she never resorted to cheating, scamming or hurting people. She’s been through a lot, her business failure since her business partner betrayed her, owing creditors and having children from an unplanned pregnancy. She’s strong and faces life’s curveballs head on. I’m in love and I definitely want to see more of her!
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15 FormAnOrderlyQueue
May 5, 2023 at 11:55 PM
Thanks for the speedy recap @lovepark! As others have said, Lee Do Hyun is doing a great job here - completely believable as a 7 year old. However, also want a shout out for Ki So Yu (the child actor playing the female twin) - she's doing a phenomenal job! She's outshining her fellow child actor (although he's not doing a bad job at all). She's having such fun with the role and is giving us a really 3D performance - I love the way she's playing her character. If Kang Ho turns out to be her dad, those two are going to have the BEST relationship!
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Asha13
May 6, 2023 at 2:53 AM
I cannot agree more. The kids are amazing
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16 john
May 11, 2023 at 1:05 PM
Ahn Eun-Jin and Jung So-min look like they could be sisters. Drama gods , make it happen, cast these two together please.
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17 Gasenadi
May 12, 2023 at 11:15 AM
Really appreciate the recap @lovepark. I wonder if I've missed something? The villains think Kangho is aware they killed his dad. Did I miss that? When did Kangho come to that conclusion? Maybe I should rewatch the first two episodes, which I wouldn't mind at all. I'm smitten with this drama.
Yes, Youngsoon has "control issues", and I can understand why, while not condoning her "rehab" methods. She's not oblivious to the harm she's caused. How can she be when the first words out of KH's mouth indict her?
BTW, I like how the drama shows the wait for an opening at the rehab center. Meanwhile, YS has to resort to homemade materials and online research to make sure his muscles remain strong during the wait. Very true to life.
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I LOVED the line that formed for legal aid at the hospital. Hope that materializes later on. The Canadian pig farmer's a knotch above other foreign actors I've seen in most kdramas.
YS visiting every church and denomination for her son's healing. Just in case. LOL. The accupuncture session was hilarious.
Going to rewatch now.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
May 12, 2023 at 12:08 PM
I agree there are a couple of actors very similar in appearance who always plays the English speaking characters and they literally just show up and talk in English.
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