I had to drop. There was just no energy left in me after Minamdang to click play on this, JUST for Kwak Dong Yeon to like MAYBE be given something interesting to do, but from the sounds of the recap, he was not, and this was a wise decision on my part lmao.

I will follow along with recaps only from here on out instead, to see what delightful, awful nonsense these writer's pull out of thin air for the rest of this show, as is their MO. ("Since the show is bent on providing twists (more so than providing logic") - sounds about right lmao)

What do you reckon, the secret mcguffin research paper and the blood of the inmates is for an illegal organ trafficking ring, or cloning? Cloning would be objectively better (and funnier) from a shitposting perspective.
And yes, I still want Person-Who-Has-A-Nickname-Named-After-A-Famous-Cartoon-Mouse, Jerry, to actually be Big Mouse and no, that will not change 😆

I'd say we can't call it quits yet. After all if Do-ha is Big Mouse, why is Big Mouse (via his tool man Warden Park) eager to make deals with Chang-ho for information on Dr. Seo's paper?

Wouldn't Do-ha already know everything about the paper? If it's to find out how much Chang-ho/Mi-ho know, wouldn't it be cleaner to just kill them off?

Conversely the gold bars are the sticking point for Do-ha being Big Mouse because the gold bars represent the money stolen from Ji-hoon. So I'd say we can still keep guessing! This show does obtuseness well lol.

Honestly thought Mayor Choi just had the hots for Mi-ho

*me entering the comments pretending I understand anything of what happened in this ep*

If this reveal stands, my gut instinct about Mayor Choi will be right but honestly it'll be one of the more basic plots they could've chosen. I don't hate it but I'm a tad disappointed.

I absolutely loved Changho's extra behavior this week. When he showed up at the courtroom with the slowmo reveal behind the screen I was absolutely cackling! Even if he's not secretly Big Mouse, the man has FLAIR. 😂

I'm so happy Jerry is alive but I want more from his storyline. Fingers crossed he plays a bigger role as we go forward!

After last week's violence I was questioning my sanity to keep watching but I must admit the plot is pulling me in still. I'll tune in for another ep and see how it goes...

I feel like I'm going to have to write my immediate thoughts down after watching because I'd definitely forget what happened in the episodes. All I remember thinking was "I was seemingly right about the mayor and the guard who was sitting in the warden's seat". (Still, the room leader & jerry are still in the big mouse running). I'm starting to think multiple people are Big Mouse and that's how the myth is building.
After that, all I could think was "how long is this series?!"
I'm just so bleh with it haha

I genuinely watch it for Lee Jong Seok because I don't even understand or remember what's happening *right* after watching. How did Chang Ho learn about the blood? Did he see the infamous paper at some point? When did Mi ho have a chance to tell him about the patients? Was Chang Ho talking about Jihoon being a witness to the conversation with the prosecutor since by that point apparently he already suspected the mayor? How would he know he would show up? How did he come to the conclusion the fourth, phone, guy was the mayor just because Jihoon said it wasn't him? And I get that the prisoners are being used as experiments but why is only the death row prisoner the one who might turn into a zombie or whatever? What's the deal with the gold? Is it still buried or is the gold in the warehouse that gold? I thought the mayor made copies of the paper and usb but was that not the case?
Aside from the show needing to happen, what is even the point of Chang ho being dragged into this stuff with the mayor and the other priviledged people? This was probably mentioned but I honestly don't remember.

I saw something that said people like Mi ho and/or the actress so I guess it's just me who isn't entralled.

The possessive, violent doctor makes me so uncomfortable. Kinda just want them to commit him or kill him. Anything so I don't have to see him trying to find his ex wife or being a wishy washy lackey.

I'm confused about the drugging of the mayor's wife. She was drugged in the same exact way as Chang Ho but his drugging was the mayor and hers was Big Mouse? And she's supposedly the favorite of the elder so how are the NF guys even threatening her or bugging her office so brazenly. I'm just so confused about so much haha

I think I'm at the point that I'll drop this show. It doesn't seem like there's anything left to the story but the final BM reveal, and what's up with the paper. But, there's 6 episodes to go and I'm not really looking forward to watching Lee Jong-suk and Yoona go around in circles until then.
Also, I've been low key afraid that BM is not a person but an organization, which, to me, would be the worst possible outcome, and the random tattoos are kind of spooking me out on that front.

You missed a few crucial points so I'll just mention it here—

1. During a verbal back and forth between the Warden and Chang-ho, where they were playing "21 Questions" & asking each other questions, Chang-ho questioned the motive behind Big Mouse wanting to get his hands on the infamous paper. The Warden had mentioned that someone Big Mouse "cared about the most lost their life because of the paper".

2. The Mayor comes to the underground vault AFTER giving the Paper & the USB to the 'Elder'— around Night. In the shot, alongside the Gold bars, we can see the infamous paper (which he obtained by meeting Hyejin PRIOR to her meeting Mi-ho) & the USB as the Mayor smirks the *evil* smirk (typical wolf in sheep's skin).

Now, what I have deduced from this are—

(a) The Mayor continues to have a Back-up even after giving it to the elder. Why? Remember, he did not like the Elder dude genuinely (almost choked him in the previous episode!) (Plus watching the video in the private theatre gives off that the Elder is probably responsible for Mayor's grandfather's death) & the elder too had implied that the contents of Dr Seo's paper could harm his reputation. You understand where it is headed, right?

(b) I have a doubt that the Mayor deliberately complicated the situation (by causing the VIPs' car to wreck and the murder being brought to spotlight) all to bring himself in the good books of the Elder who is looking for a successor. You know, like blowing things out of proportion & then smoothly handling it like a Saviour.

3. How does Chang-ho & Mi-ho know that Mayor has been backstabbing them? Well, I will put them in points for the ease of understanding —

• Mayor told Chang-ho that he doesn’t fully trust him until he brings Big Mouse to him.
• Chang-ho sneaks out to meet Mi-ho & points that Dr Hyun’s accident was no ordinary one. He hushes her when she tries to speak aloud (the prison is bugged AF!)

• Chang-ho thinks they have hit 2 birds with one stone- this flashbacks to Jihoon emphasising that he is NOT the 4th accomplice when confronted by Chang-ho. He however doesn’t reveal it’s the Mayor and instead smirks that Chang-ho should find out for himself!
• In a flashback, Chang-ho avoids the surveillance by smashing a CCTV and calls Mi-ho to ask if Mayor Choi was with her when she gave the blood to the NFS. Mi-ho confirms that he was but asks why Chang-ho wants to know. He asks her if the results are out yet and she replies she is on her way to the NFS to collect the results. Chang-ho then says the 4th accomplice is not Gong Ji-hoon!

Chang-ho says if the results are manipulated, the Mayor is involved & asks Mi-ho to check that. And it is manipulated fr!! The dead man’s blood type change from B / RH- to B/RH+ in the reports. Our girl has the eye for the details!

• (In the same Flashback) After hanging up, Chang-ho grits his teeth as he realises the truth of the Mayor. In the same flashback, he calls up...

I have a strong feeling that Big mouse is going to be no one, I'm so tired of guessing, that's the best I can do. But again, there is the tattoo, so we know even if Big mouse is not an organization, there is an organization related to him, so I kinda take that guess as the right one for now. Right now, the craziest idea I have come across was one I saw on the Instagram which suggested maybe Big mouse is all those orphan kids that Changho used to bring milk for and they are protecting him, that was far-fetched but new!

I hope the mayor is a fake out, just a Big-Mouse-accomplice, because watching your protagonist try to figure something out and then being given the answer while they stay in the dark makes for a dissatisfying viewing experience. Like you're just waiting for them to catch up.
I'm still counting on Jerry. He doesn't have the minion's tattoo, right? He has the mouse tattoo!

Are the writers even trying to tell us who the Big Mouse is? Who knows if they're going to pull another Vagabond and never tell us who it is. But knowing Vagabond's ending made people rage, they won't do it...right?😶

Honestly, even Lee Jongsuk is not enough to motivate me watching this show. The recap and beanies' comments are. The show's not fun, our favorite character doesn't have enough screen time, show is trying to make us suspicious of Mayor or Jerry to be BM and we know both are not, plus most of us are not trying to understand what's what anymore, so what's there to watch?

Meanwhile between all this mess, there's our lovable, happy, and innocent Room Leader to be around

Was going to binge this but after reading all the weecaps and comments I think I'll just camp out in the drama thread instead of actually watching. May be better for my sanity. I already had trouble trying to keep up with the whiplash that was Vagabond back then.

Here's my theory:
The mayor and Big Mouse are not the same person but they both hate the elder. Somehow the elder caused the car crash of mayors grandpa. Big Mouse lost someone at the hospitol.

The mayor wants revenge on the elder by all means so on the one hand he is involved with the blood samples with the 3 guys, he wants to get colser to the elder so he send the 3 guys to prison and covered his involvement with the murder but kept the paper to use it at a later moment to his advantage and on top of that I think the mayor acted like Big Mouse and that's how he got the gold. That way he can attack the elder on different aspect.

Big mouse hates the elder/hospital because the whole bloodsample thing, knowing the mayors involvement he used Chang Ho to bring the mayor down.

Gotta say I really enjoy this, in the "mindless fun" sort o' way. Maybe it's because I never watched VEGABOND so I'm still imune to ridiculousness haha
No clue about BM, but I just enjoy watching the various players trying to screw ine another, and excited for acting-warden-Gan reign.

@dramaddictally This recap was fun! I enjoyed it.

What is the point of Mayor going through all this elaborate scheme when the Elder is alresdy old and collapses from even minor shock? He is so wrapped up in his own revenge plan that he can't see the basic flaw in his plan. He could have just used it to help Chang Ho and Mi Ho after learning Big Mouse is after the same paper because after all BM has been evading law for so long, which means he can upbend the Elder's org. This drama could have been better if they had revealed the Mayor's motive 2 episodes back and the identity of real BM. Sometimes being discreet does not make up for a good viewing.

Hye-jin was clearly terrified of the Mayor in ep 1 when she came round after the dressing room attack, so when Chang-ho asked her who the fourth accomplice was (what was CH doing there anyway, arriving like a hero with a fire extinguisher when he was supposedly just a dorky lawyer?) she quickly named Ji-hoon instead. I thought back then she knows something about the Mayor, enough to keep her trap shut and deflect attention onto someone else who seems more powerful but perhaps isn't. And we've seen since how the apparent power slipped from Ji-hoon to the Mayor, starting with their encounter in the men's room when the Mayor got all scathing and macho, slamming his head on the sinks. So I feel Hye-jin knows even more than we suspect if she already understood in ep 1 who was the more dangerous of the two, back when everyone (including Ji-hoon) thought the Mayor was just a helpless pawn.

I am beginning to think the Mayor's background (his grandfather's death and the fact he isn't considered to be an equal by the group around the Elder, that he only married into influence rather than being there by right) points to a revenge theme. Whatever significance the Mayor's grandfather held for the Elder has been concealed (and here I find myself thinking about Park Seo-Joon's father in Itaewon Class, who was the basis of Jangga Group's success, but was manipulated out of his job and fired by the Chairman). If something similar had happened to the Mayor's grandfather, it would explain a desire for revenge against the Elder and associated families, why the Elder did not want Joo-hee marrying him, and perhaps why the Mayor targeted her to marry in the first place - so he could begin worming his way in. We finish with the Elder convinced the Mayor is loyal as well as clever and efficient, and now he is hinting to Joo-hee that he favours the Mayor as his successor. But how do we know he gave the real paper to the Elder? The real one might still be locked up with the gold bars.

It's all pointing to the Mayor as BM, now positioned to take down the whole rotten edifice, the Elder, NR Forum, and what looks increasingly like a dodgy related pharmaceutical company running unofficial drug trials on the cancer ward at the hospital and inmates at the prison. Yes the Mayor is a bad-ass, but I'm not convinced he's at the top of the chain. I think he's been recruited and helped by BM because of his family history and antagonism towards the Elder and everything he presides over. I think we need to look even higher, and knowing something about the background of the Elder would help.

Meanwhile, the Ho-ho couple seem to think BM is in the prison, but why? He doesn't need to be. He had the warden, he had Jerry, and maybe others in there too, as well as those placed in the hospital and emergency services, so he could be anywhere. Certainly the loss of the warden is a blow but will the tarot card messages stop now? If I was BM and in the prison, aware CH is...

Miho takes another sample of the pyscho prisoner after his report is falsified .

She then hands it over to someone in a white car.

Hospital director juhee / mrs mayor gets into an accident in the white car

Are the women working together to find out what is happening with the prison inmates /hospital meds ??

The 3 VIP earlier hinted that the director didn't know they had switched the meds .