I need to know what mushrooms the Vagabond writers are smoking because holy shit episode 8 was a trip and a half.
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I still so badly want Jerry to be Big Mouse. Knowing this writer team they won't give me anything worthwhile or meaningful.
But the main reason I want that still, is that nobody else we’ve seen has the screen presence or sheer charisma to pull it off more than Kwak Dong Yeon does, and if it’s somebody new or unknown then we have zero investment in the reveal.
On top of that, Dramaland really doesn’t deserve KDY, especially if they’re going to keep treating him like this. You have so much raw untapped potential bleeding out of your hands, Dramaland, and you keep doing him dirty! Stop! KDY, babe, get a new agency and team, please.
Anyway. Guess I'm gonna keep going for another week against all better judgement because of the preview. Sigh. Why do I continue to be like this. Did 2019 teach me nothing. tsk.

You know i was beyond happy to be done with the prison narrative just to see next week's preview and get so disappointed. Now that CH escaped and was on the run looking like Kang Chul, the stakes were so much higher and the possibilities were all over the place, only for him to [SPOILER]

This week's eps was a trip! I enjoyed every second of the mental hospital bit (the scene where they cut to CH saying to the orderly "ofc it was a lie who would actually bury smth there" got me losing my mind cuz of his effortless switch in personality) and seeing BM go through so much (burying the box, preparing the clothes, stationing people) to help CH escape got me wondering who was the actual fool in this charade.
I still have my doubts on BM's real identity at this point. Seeing as though Jerry is still alive threw all my reasoning out the window. In fact, BM could not even be a person, it could even be multiple people.

Nonetheless, I'm hoping next week's eps would start to pick up the pace a little!

I know I should view this show on its own merits but a part of me keeps comparing it to vagabond. For whatever flaws people say about vagabond, I was totally interested from start to finish. Even if the political & corporate corruption stuff didn't particularly interest me, I thoroughly enjoyed the action scenes and the chemistry between the characters such as Dal Geon with Hae Ri or with the other bereaved families (I don't remember the guy's name) or his conflict Tae Gi (was that the character's name?). I enjoyed his quest for answers then justice then revenge.

With this, I actually skipped to the end to see how the episode ended and what the preview for next week was before I watched the episode in its entirety. For me, it's just not intriguing I guess? The antagonists aren't particularly interesting to me. Entitled, priviledged people doing entitled priviledged things but with murder just makes me kinda irritated and/or bored. I'm just wanting Big Mouse to bring them down like some kind of Batman or Robin Hood haha

The actress who plays Miho does more in this than she did in the other project I saw her in (the K2) and yet she's still underwhelming to me. Maybe it's me. Maybe I just need action girls who can fight back or verbal dismantle their opponents? I don't know. In story, people keep saying she's pretty formidable and she's probably really realistic (I mean your average woman probably wouldn't go to a seedy hospital and confront its big boss or have to fight armed assailants so of course when cornered by these folks, she's going to lose without help)

Even though we saw Jerry seemingly die, I still don't believe he's dead. If cops can be apart of the Big Mouse conspiracy, surely first responders can be as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he were Big Mouse and he's just a skillful manipulator. On the hand (if he's not big mouse), the disillusionment was sad. Poor guy.

Chang Ho's mouse/rat hallucination was the stuff of nightmares to me. I shuddered seeing that.
Waiting for the prosecutor to get his comeuppence somehow. I thought he was supposed to be a kind of lackey but he's being all proactive in his villany which makes me wonder if there's someone else behind him (aside from Jihoon)

A part of me was kinda thinking Miho's dad is Big Mouse haha
Can't really give a good reason but there's just something about him (to me). I also thought it might be the security guard who sat in the warden's office or the room leader or the mayor. It might be interesting if the mayor did turn out to big mouse because then he would be hitting NR Forum from different angles and those chess moves seems on par with the big mouse mythos.

How did Chang Ho get that ad made? Haha
That was something that I wondered as soon as I saw it haha

I watch this for Jong Suk and his portrayal is interesting enough to watch so it's not a misery to watch especially those times he swings between the menacing, confident big...

Look at vagabond writers trying to put a little bit of hollywood into the drama. I'm talking about mental hospital scenes with truth serums. Those scenes were funny to me. At least it's quite entertaining to watch.

What Go Miho does when she was about to take blood samples reminds me how much Vagabond writers like their character to be sloppy despite their intelligence or high office.
And i don't believe a doctor who said she likes to treat patients and works in such a shady hospital.

Big Mouse paid someone to save Changho from mental hospital and out of everyone, they picked Jerry? Perhaps because he is easy to be thrown away when things went south?

I know Kwak Dongyeon is freaking awesome but i also want to show appreciation to Yang Kyungwon for his acting. His "peacefully" sounds annoying (in a good way) and his character overall is very hard to pull off but he's fun to watch. That made me want Gong Jihoon to be the Big Mouse.
Maybe because his character is crazy enough. He likes to torture people and has a lot of fun doing it. That's why he became BM and robs everyone... until he finds out he's no longer having fun in it and decided to robs himself and tortures himself for "losing money"🤣
But then someone is making drastic decision for wanting to have a baby in the middle of chaos and people usually do that when things about to get dirty, right?
Are you planning to die?

Please, please writer, do not kill Jerry! This simply must be a red herring.

The last episode was quite the roller coaster and I do not even try to understand how Chang-ho managed to produce and display the insurance advert on the big screen with the hidden burner phone number so quickly and at the right time and place. I hope I will not have now a mouse nightmare, too!

As far as theories about the real Big Mouse goes, I read a really interesting one: Big Mouse is the Elder, he clearly has the power and the resources. He is looking for a successor and he is putting Big Mouth through hell to test him. Chang-ho is an orphan and may have a birth secret and is really the Elder's son. I like this theory, because it links the Elder to Big Mouth. It would also explain why the Elder was angry that Chang-ho was taken to the mental asylum and almost killed.
Anyway, the writer is doing a good job in keeping us guessing.

I still kinda think Jerry is Big Mouse and the death was a fake out. Kwak Dong-yeon seems too big an actor for the minor role of "sidekick/red herring". If this crime boss has a network of people, some of them probably drive ambulances. And really for Jerry taking the stretcher was the easiest way to get out of the difficult situation he was in.

If Chan-go himself is Big Mouse, I'll be pissed. He would be the most uninspired choice.
His lawyer friend might work for BM, though. Maybe that's why BM knew about the camera. I don't see the utility in his character otherwise.

@DramaAddictDaily thank you for the 1984 reference!!! I love how everyone was complaining about LJS' lack of fashion in the past few eps but I don't think any of us expected his next one to be a straitjacket! 😂 This was the first episode I had to do some judicious fast forwarding as the torture/rat CGI was way too much for my taste. I'm still holding out hope that Jerry is Big Mouse because the other options don't excite me much. LJS' acting is really impressive in this so far so I guess he could pull off the split personality theory but I would prefer if they didn't go in that direction.

(Can Kwak Dong Yeon please get cast in a major romcom as the lead next?? My heart can't take any more suffering...)

I still can't get over Yang Kyung Won as the villain in this one after loving his character in Crash Landing on You. I feel like everyone's acting is really awesome in this (even Yoona who I know has a bad rap around here 😂) but I do fear the writing won't live up to it. But honestly the violence might make me drop the drama before things fall apart... I will definitely keep up with the recaps though!

The show is intriguing and keeping me on edge episode by episode. The show does well in keeping us guessing BM. I cant wait to find out who is the real BM , so exciting.

I love the actor who plays Gong Ji Hoon. His character shines the most for me. Such a bad guy, but his scenes quite funny to watch. Cant believe this guy is the same guy in Vincenzo and Crash landing on You. Hats off to his versatility.

"Fight Club"!! You stole the word out of my mouth. As I watched episode 7, I kept thinking is it so crazy to assume Changho has a dissociative disorder, so even he doesn't know who he is? Plus, the show is giving us lots of back stories these days, I mean why do we need to know about their past, unless it is connected to their present directly if you know what I mean?
by the way, I think I took a glimpse of someone on a hospital bed, with a collar and stuff, I think it was Jerry, did I see it wrong? I'm not sure. At this point, although I really want to know who's real Big Mouth is, I don't care if my guesses are right or not, I'm enjoying the show!

Finally started and caught up with this and I must say that it's nice to have LJS back on my screen.

His naivety in the earlier episodes was frustrating but I'm enjoying his switch as Big Mouth so much that I'm almost hoping it's actually him 😂😂.

Oh poor Jerry 😢(or not) ... Why are they doing this to KDY? I was hoping we would get him for a longer time.

At this point I have stopped trying to guess who Big Mouse is. For now at leady. Can a single person have this much power?

I had to go back and read the synopsis because I can't believe this MiHo is the one who is supposed to save her husband. She's so reckless it's infuriating

The story doesn't make any sense. Why did the 3 doctors need a bad lawyer to loose the case? If they have the powerful elder and are powerful enough to (almost) bribe the judge, and have the prosecutor and warden at their side then why did they need to bring in an outsider lawyer?

An important note about this show as a whole is how it's entertainment first logic. There are a lot of moments and writing decisions done purely for ~the DRAMA~

I love it. It's so fun! And ridiculous!

Notes notes notes:

-Yes, show, I'm going to believe Jerry is dead when the protagonist survived a simmillar car crush at ep 1. Righhhht. *Taps nose* he's dead .

-I liked seeing PCH bullsh*iting his way to buy more time. I hoped to see more of that in the show, honestlly.

-the guard (not warden) is suspicioussss ! Too much focus on a "background" character. At the very least, he wants to undermine Warden " I AM the drama" Park.

-Reminder that the mother of serial killer undereye bags stabby happy dude has cancer and might as well be in the DNR ward...

-... which can hep tie hospital plot and prison plot. The hospital plot... Sure exists! And I don't have much to say besides.

-burrn giving PCH that fool card. I hope BM has a aense of humour and is different from the way PCH cosplays him.

Watching an on-air drama is fun because I can join in on the discussion but the wait is killer.

sorry this is bit late but…

hahahaha was Chang-ho just rejecting calls all day from people seeking insurance waiting for Mi-ho to call? 😂