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Love All Play: Episodes 11-12

With the truth finally out in the open, everything starts to change, and it’s a painful road for, well, everyone. But despite this being another depressing week in our drama, I’m hopeful that as some time passes and hearts heal, we can find our characters in a happier place. And by that I mean with our OTP eloping and living their best life. Hey, a girl can dream, right?

 
EPISODES 11-12 WEECAP

If we thought last week was rough, we were wrong, because this week it’s time for the reveal that we’ve been dreading. And no one’s been dreading it like the guy that has to do the revealing.

As our episode opens, we meet everyone navigating the chaos of the truth behind Joon-young’s accident. Tae-joon narrates that, “What was bound to get out finally gets out,” and we see the chain of events that led to the video being released online: Yi-deun took the video, then lost his phone at a PC bang, and the person who found it also found the video and uploaded it.

As Joon-young has always feared, she gets mocked for covering up the truth and loses public sympathy. She’s upset her reputation is lost, and continues to mope and treat everyone around her poorly. Jung-hwan’s love for her continues to baffle me, and he tells her she can use him anytime. It’s such a romantic gesture — but it’s clear Joon-young doesn’t care about him anymore, and over the course of the episode, poor Jung-hwan himself finally accepts it. But first he beats Yi-deun to a pulp and gets himself kicked off the national team.

Meanwhile, Tae-yang is still AWOL after the incident with Coach Joo. Our team captain (who really shines this week) approaches Tae-joon and tells him to talk Tae-yang into coming back since he knows they “have a thing going on” (which he then takes back as a joke, suuuuure).

Tae-yang might return, but the breaking news and its ramifications are of course leading to the moment she has been aching for and dreading at the same time: she can finally come clean. One night on a walk with Tae-joon, she tells him he has no idea what it’s like to walk around carrying a bomb in your pocket. Uhh.

He does know, of course, and he tells her this, but also doesn’t want to reveal his secret yet (he’s putting off the inevitable result, and who can blame him). Instead, he goes into swoon mode, and when Tae-yang jokes if his secret is a baby, he says, “No, I’m going to have a baby with you!” and then proceeds to propose to her, half joking and half serious. (They really should just elope together and escape this entire mess!)

Despite the warnings from the national team coach (who doesn’t want to be further humiliated), Tae-yang finally posts the truth of what happened on her SNS. And just like that, everything changes. And yet does it? The burden has come to light, but she’s still guilty, miserable, and unforgiven.

Despite having to cry in basically every other scene these days, I am really loving Park Joo-hyun’s performance here. None of the tears or angst feel melo — it’s all quite raw and believable, and that’s why it’s so damn sad.

It’s rather telling that at her lowest moment, Tae-yang finds her way back to the mother that abandoned her, and it’s another rough scene. I’m not going to lie — when Tae-joon burst in and dragged Tae-yang away, I was relieved.

Tae-yang is so used to self-flagellating that it’s getting painful to watch — and Tae-joon is the only character that seems to know and intuit what she’s going to do, what she needs, and how she will punish herself next. He brings so much support and light and warmth to her, and she needs every bit of it, despite her protestations. While Tae-joon says he loves her and will be around as long as she wants him, she says: “I know you love me because I’m overwhelmed by your affection.”

Finally, during another evening meetup, Tae-joon blurts out to Tae-yang that he’s Joon-young’s little brother, and she takes it just like we might expect (i.e., like another bit of happiness she must give up because of her crimes).

They’re still together technically, but Tae-joon knows it’s all going to come to an end soon. Still, he just floods her with love and support. He buys treats and then asks Young-shim and the other girls on the team to hang out with Tae-yang to cheer her up. He begs the coach to keep Tae-yang on, since she has nowhere else to go. And when Jung-hwan calls Tae-yang outside for a private chat, he’s not even a minute behind, lingering in the background to watch out for her. (Can he get more wonderful?)

As I watched the episodes this week I felt like I was waiting for them to break up in every scene, and each time we got through a scene without it, I felt like rejoicing. When we finally get there, though, it’s saaaad. Tae-yang — despite Tae-joon’s request — can’t even look him in the eyes to break up and does the whole thing with her eyes shut and tears running down her face.

If ever there was a couple that needed each other, it’s this one. And after seeing the iciness of Joon-young, the awfulness of her parents, and even being so disappointed by Tae-yang’s adoptive father — gosh, eloping never sounded like such a logical escape from this nonsense. As Tae-joon keeps saying, it was an accident. They all need to move on. And also, the plot needs to move on, because I want my smiley Tae-joon back, and I want him to be with Tae-yang forever so they can have their babies together.

The final reveal that needs to be made is Tae-joon telling Joon-young that he loves Tae-yang. When he does so, she receives it with her usual smirk, and says she already knew. As it turns out, the last time she met with Tae-yang after her social post hit the press, Tae-yang told Joon-young herself.

Joon-young doesn’t offer forgiveness, but she says she doesn’t want to think about it — or Tae-yang — anymore and that they should cut ties. This leads to Tae-yang saying how hard it will be… and we all know why. She’s loved Joon-young, she loves Tae-joon, and that affection in itself creates a huge conflict for her. She tells Joon-young she’ll break up with Tae-joon, and that’s how Joon-young meets her little brother’s confession: “Did she break up with you yet?” Gosh, she’s just so cruel.

Speaking of Joon-young’s cruelty, Jung-hwan finally realizes it himself, and seems to have his final conversation with her. Although he’s also hit rock bottom like everyone else at this point, he tells Yoo-min to wait for him until the spring. Their exchange, and Yoo-min’s protectiveness of him, is absolutely adorable.

Is this foreshadowing of what we’ll get from our other couple, also featuring an athlete at rock bottom and a person who cherishes them? Pretty please? This might be one drama where I’m okay with a time jump, since it’s clear Tae-yang needs time to heal, and she and Tae-joon need to find a way to be together forever despite their crappy I-love-you-but breakup. Everyone deserves better, including us.

 
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Sometimes I just don't get why OTP must break-up, anything except disloyal and abuse/violence (these root from character, I'm not your mom to fix them for you hah), can be worked up.
But hey who am I to say?
Bring back my adorable flirting couple 😫

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I hate the OTP break-ups in kdramas 95% of the time

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Of course most things can be resolved, and in this case everything will be solved most definitely in the remaining 4 episodes (..hopefully..? xD).
Drama writers just want us to suffer pft..

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I love melos and this show, but these two episodes repeatedly made me want to throw heavy objects at my screen.

First, as missvictrix said, people’s reaction to Taeyang’s mistakes three years ago is bordering on ridiculous at this point. With the exception of Taejoon, everyone is acting like Taeyang kidnapped Joonyoung, poured alcohol down her throat, and then pushed her down some icy hill out of jealousy and spite. But of course, that’s not remotely close to what happened. Even if you see Taeyang’s actions in the worst possible light—she peer pressured her friend into sneaking out and drinking, accidentally injured her, and then was too much of a coward to publicly take responsibility—the kind of hatred others show Taeyang and which she also shows herself is simply not justified. The National Team coach (ugh, that guy with his self-centered, vindictive, “you humiliated me” whining), the parents (especially Mom, who so blatantly sees her son as existing only to prop up her daughter that I want to slap her like she slapped Taejoon), and even Junghwan (who is at least cordial but who still seems to feel Taeyang needs to suffer forever for what she did) – all of these people are so morally righteous about their anger for no good reason.

As for Joonyoung, like I said last week, she has every right to not want to see or talk to Taeyang ever again. That’s not very generous or mature of her, especially since she can see that Taeyang is in tremendous pain over the whole thing, but it is her right. Refusing to accept someone’s apology doesn’t make you a bad person. What *does* make you a bad person is selfishly making innocent people (like her brother and Junghwan) suffer as some kind of weird penance for a sin they didn’t commit. She clearly wants everyone to be as miserable as she is and that’s narcissistic and amoral.

And poor Taejoon. He has spent his whole life being ignored or dismissed in favor of his sister—by his parents, coaches, and now, his girlfriend—and yet he’s still offering everyone the unconditional love he himself can’t seem to receive. Can just one person recognize how wonderful he is and treat him the way he deserves?

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It was nice to see Taeyang do something other than cry, but why was she smiling so broadly and, apparently, sincerely, when she and Taejoon broke up at the end? This girl is clearly traumatized by her crappy childhood and the incident with Joonyoung so I understand she’s probably not capable of giving more than she is right now. But her constant ghosting and dismissal of Taejoon and his feelings is really starting to bother me. She makes all the decisions in the relationship, decides what she wants to share with him and what she won’t, and outright lies if she knows he won’t want to hear what she has to say. And then she smiles joyfully when he dumps her like he’s some weight dragging her down? At that moment, I lost pretty much all sympathy for her.

I really like Yumin and I...

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I really like Yumin and I hope Junghawn eventually genuinely loves her, even if Joonyoung starts acting like the human being he fell in love with again.

Anyone else get a bit of a queer vibe when Taeyang talks about her feelings for Joonyoung? Of course, I doubt this is deliberate on the part of the writer and if it is I know they won’t explore such a dynamic in a kdrama. But in some scenes it seems like Taeyang is saying that she didn’t just platonically like or admire Joonyoung, but that she was in love with her. Honestly, if that was the case, it would help explain the longevity and depth of her guilt and longing for Joonyoung’s acknowledgement and forgiveness at this point.

Finally, plot-wise I was frustrated with the whole "will she quit/be fired or won't she" thing. We've already seen Taeyang leave the team and come back and, in fact, one major source of dramatic tension since the start has centered on whether or not she'll quit badminton for good at any given moment. So this plot turn felt really repetitious and also seemed unnecessary to me. Wouldn't it have made more sense that she was doing well on the team (also giving us a chance to see more badminton! In a show about badminton players, that's important) when the news broke? Then the fallout over whether or not she'd leave or be fired would be more dramatic and interesting.

Again, I still love this show. But I hope the next set of episodes are less frustrating.

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I think because she has abandonment issues it’s more that she put all her love that had been rejected by family into the one true friendship. She literally turned Joon young into her everything so when she lost her it hurt as badly if not worse than her parents’ lack of love for her hurt.

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Honestly I don't like Taeyang anymore and I don't think she's good for Taejoon. Their relationship is a mirror of the one with his parents. It seems like he's resigned himself to always being second fiddle to Joonyoung. It's not healthy for him to be constantly neglected AND comfort the other party. Once again, I feel the writer is being self-indulgent - not only Taeyang, but Taejoon too is acting the self-martyr. What message is the writer trying to perpetuate by having Taejoon drive his mum home after her display of abuse?

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“Their relationship is a mirror of the one with his parents. “

I can certainly understand feeling this way. To be fair, I think him taking on the care-giver role for his family had him, of his own accord, starting to fulfill this role for Tae-yang, which is part of why I think this break is good for them. He has quite evidently been placed in a caregiver role, paying for his family, looking after them, always accomodating them, all while hardly recieving anything in return.

I’m personally still rooting for them because, even when going through her hardest times, though she fumbled and made some mistakes in the relationship, she actually still checked in with how he was feeling more than his family ever does. Not to mention, because of the role he’s used to fulfilling, he’s the one who actually chose to be dishonest with her at certain points to accomodate her. While she does need to become more reliable, he needs to give her the chance to be by revealing more of what he is going through. That’s the only way they can achieve balance in their relationship.

Also, at least when Tae-yang wasn’t going through a downward spiral these past few eps, she looked after him and was attentive to his needs and struggles on several occasions. I also thought it was to her credit that, even when she was, she was still more considerate of his feelings than his family has ever been. This is why, even though I am disappointed in her and I do feel as if she let him down, I am pulling for her to get her act together and pursue/look out for him for a change. This time, I have to admit though, it is a bit more for his sake than hers.

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At first I had the same train of thought as you. But that balance is taking too long to reach. Re: TY being more considerate of his feelings than his family - that is a low bar to reach tbh. Moreover, TY's fixation on JY means that by staying with her, TJ has been conflating love with the same neglect he grew up with.

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That's how I see it anyway.

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I more got the idea they were both trying to smile at each other, because even though they’re in pain, they are genuinely very thankful for each other and trying to put on a brave face, but, by the end, both their forced smiles faded, though she certainly held onto hers for a bit longer. I guess I just wasn’t really bothered by her smile in the first place because it didn’t feel all that joyful to me. It felt like a smile intended to hold back tears much like in episode 5 when he asked her why does she smile instead of cry.

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That's what it was...as if they hadn't just shown how heartbroken she was about having to brake up when she was talking about it with Joon-young...
Of course it wasn't a happy smile for either of them, poor things :(

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agree everything you said!!!! So frustrating to watch how everyone just ignore Taejun and his feelings...

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Why is everyone in Taejoon’s life so crappy?? Boy needs to pack his bags, travel a bit and find people who will love him for who he is.

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Tae-yang with Joon-young was miserable, Tae-yang with her mother was miserable, and Tae-yang breaking up with Tae-joon was miserable.

Still, it felt like we reached the lowest point in these episodes and started to swing back upward. First, Tae-yang went with Coach, apologized, and didn't get fired. So she will still be practicing and playing on the team. Second, Jung-hwan saw his first love for what it was, and let go.

Looking forward to spring for the Yunis, and good changes.

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The trailer for the next episode gave me hope that we were returning to the joy that this series brings. It had the racquet boys and 25, 21 joy and energy of youth even though I have to remind myself that they are all in their 20’s so its more like Weightlifting fairy Kim Bok Joo.

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@missvictrix another great recap that captures the feel of this weeks episodes. This was so hard to watch I had to have breaks just to prep myself for the inevitable. I loved the fact the team and coach all kept showing Tae yang that despite her best efforts to push them away they were not going anywhere.
Tae joon is so loving despite the way his sister and parents have treated him he can’t afford to lose the girl he loves too. They really are good together and it looks like the next episode will be back to their usual banter as ‘friends’ maybe they will hold out until the dust settles and then return to a non platonic relationship but this way they can be there for each other and Tae yang won’t feel guilty for being happy.

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Despite I don't like that the OTP's break up. But I think the time-out thing will be good for them. Dating is just the way people name type of relationship. They can still do everything couple can do, but if they don't name their relationship as dating so be it. Don't push it if you aren't comfortable with it. And there's nothing Time cannot fix. ha ha ha

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That's true, and that may be what they decide to do. But I still think that breakup scene was odd. If Taejoon was suggesting they just drop the label but still hang out it didn't match what he was saying (which seemed pretty straightforward "let's end this but I'll always think of you fondly") and that's why her smile struck me so negatively. The preview definitely suggests they're still together in most every way, but that wasn't indicated by the scene in the bar.

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I think he said it to comfort Taeyang since she does want break up.

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It looked to me like he was breaking up completely especially after what Junyoung said to him about Taeyang constantly having to apologise to their family and all if they date

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This! As much as forced separation tropes is overused, here the break up made sense. Joon young parents' won't be ready to forgive Tae young even if Joon Young does somewhere in the future.

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@emsel such a good point I forget parents’ have that memory of people hurting their child disorder that lasts for decades!
@Nal I heard what he said thought exactly what you said then saw the clips and got confused so started to let wishful thinking sink in again. Well we will see next week. Watching live is a new experience for me this as I prefer to binge watch. It has its pros and cons.

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I think we might be getting a few flashbacks of them together to tie us over, but I thought other scenes in the preview seemed to indicate he’ll be trying to keep a distance between them because he’ll have a hard time not wavering (as in…trying to get back together with her?) otherwise.

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It only took 12 episodes but It was really nice to see the Yunis players finally treat Tae-yang as one of theirs

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The writer seriously underutilised the ensemble cast. Then again, even the second leads barely get 5 mins of screen time recently. What a waste.

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Does anyone else think the team captain and Young sim have something but he is scared to reveal it because of her fear to do anything that will rock the boat with her child. Do you think they were a couple and the father of the child came in and swooped her away or do you think it’s second lead syndrome and she never knew and still can’t see it but the child’s father can and likes to rub it in even though he is no longer in a relationship with her. I feel like I missed something in the clues we have been given but don’t want to go try to find the conversations where the breadcrumbs were dropped.

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I think it's SLS. The only unknown, imo, is if she once had feelings for him, too, but I don't think they were ever an actual couple.

I didn't like Young-sim at all at the start of the drama but she's really grown on me. Her daughter is super cute, too.

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She was horrible to our Tae yang so who would have liked her. Is it me but in the dramas there are way too many group bullying incidents from grown ups seems widespread and normalised.

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It's not just you. And in this drama, I felt like Young-sim's actions were particularly harsh for an adult and a parent. I'm glad the writers backtracked on that.

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I think it's SLS and it looks like she also likes the captain but maybe she doesn't want to complicate things because of her daughter?
The way she reacted when they were on their way to see Tae-yang with groceries and also when she got back from the dinner with her daughter made me think so

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I feel like she showed some awareness of him in one early episode and even more in recent ones, but it still feels like she might be oblivious to her own feelings and especially his. I already knew that he liked her, but had no idea it was to the point where even her ex-husband was more aware than her. Haha, poor guy probably has his work cut out for him, but I think he’s going to work up the courage very soon.

I actually think Seung-woo has had the most consistent and gratifying development of all the side-characters in the show. As he’s been processing the end of a successful career in badminton, he’s been stepping up his leadership in his captain role. Part of the reason why the team got their act together is because he finally started acting like the leader of the group and I find the team’s development more believable because of his growth and subsequent influence.

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I just want to hug Park Tae-jun and shield him from anything bad 🥺.
He has taken the "perfect" kdrama boyfriend to another level in my eyes.

I agree, they should just elope and call it a day

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hahahah yes to eloping!!! lowkey now that you've said that, this has become of a romeo/juliet type situation here with the families who are at odds with one another and two star crossed lovers in the middle of it all wow

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The ending emptied my head of all coherent thoughts, I keep saying this every week but I did not see that coming. I also forgot about the other characters for a good few weeks, so it was nice to have their struggles brought to the centre too - specifically Seungwoo x Youngshim. The Yunis team are really making up for their shitty behaviour at the start of this series, they’ve got TY’s back and I love that the girls are super supportive (even if they needed a little push from TJ).

And I’m glad JH got his closure somewhat and is making strides to give the girl who genuinely likes him a real shot. I think the same principle of TY not recognising her own value and accepting the love that comes her way also applies to JH when it comes to his love life - he was attached to an idealised version of his past that he wasn’t really looking at what was there in the right now, so I’m glad he is deciding to do that now. Kind of reminds me of that quote from Perks of Being A Wallflower about how we accept the love we think we deserve - though it was said for vastly different circumstances, I think the same principle applies when you struggle to let yourself be love/acknowledge the love because deep down you don’t think you’re worthy of it.

I’m exhausted just thinking about JY/JY’s parents but suffice to say, there’s many negative emotions brewing in my head. Like where do I begin, is it the fact that they’re ready to make a devil out of TY as though she literally broke JY’s leg with her own hands? The fact that JY won’t correct the narrative that it was completely TY’s fault? Or is it the fact that they step all over TJ and refuse to consider his feelings? Anyways, I can’t with them right now so yes idk basically wow, many tears, tailspin, TJ you’re so freaking unreal I love you.

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It’s amazing the impact that tv can have on us. I saw your quote about The perks of being a wallflower and thought it rang a bell. I looked it up and was surprised to find that I had watched it as it’s not the kind of film I would usually watch. I had forgotten everything but the title but reading the summary I remembered the rest.
These K drama plots of love, friendship and strained family relationships make an impact as we already have a lens of how we view the world and then we have to make these ideas fit or challenge our original views. We know they exaggerate elements to make drama but still wish the person could be a better version of themselves. We got to see the extra elements of Tae joon once he was in love prior to that they were hidden when we first met him up against JH and wanting to walk away from badminton.

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I'm usually not a big fan of 'indie' coming of age movies either but I remember reading the book out of boredom once and found myself inexplicably drawn. I think what's coolest is that there's so many things that were in that book/movie that I'm starting to understand the more I grow up. And I think the same applies for dramas right, it's really interesting tracking how your views of characters/themes etc changes as you move into different stages of life. Equally cool is when you watch characters who seem to mirror you and it opens your eyes a little bit to your own perception of yourself & your actions.

So defs with you there on stepping back and being amazed by the impact that TV can have, especially in changing or challenging our views on life!

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The nerve of JY and her parents? They are really like 2 peas in a pod and I honestly wouldn't mind not seeing them for the remaining 4 episodes.
Again, just like JY, her parents are not obliged to accept TY's apology but come on! They are all behaving as though JY was a minor and was forced to sneak out on that faithful day.
And JY's mum is not even considerate of the fact that TY has been really apologetic and has been sending baskets/visiting their home every month?! Sigh

"TJ you're so freaking unreal I love you"
Same same

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Literally! Like yes you're not obliged to accept the apology but why act like your daughter is the only victim or that TY is 100% at fault? SiGH

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Honestly, I don't understand this damn witch hunt for Tae-yang. As Tae-joon later correctly says to his mother, it was an accident! I was about to fire the remote into the corner until at least the team members behaved reasonably. It was late, but better than never.
I don't know who I detest more, the sister or the mother. But the mother seems to be winning, unbelievable how she keeps acting towards her son.

Good thing Tae-joon told Tae-yang the truth on his own and she didn't have to find out by accident. In the end, it came as expected, even though I had expected Tae-yang to flee earlier.

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First off, this writer is lucky (and also very cruel) for creating characters I care so much for. This was a rough viewing experience.

Honestly, the regression these episodes depicted actually hit very close to home for me. Seeing the last bit of fight drain from Tae-joon’s eyes at the end there when it was made clear that his family didn’t even care to listen to his feelings and that no one was going to put him first even once was just brutal. I wrote in my comment last week that he was afraid of telling the truth because he always feared what the result would be. This defeat will probably take a serious toll on Tae-joon’s belief in himself and I really hope it’s time for the characters to look out for him for a change.

Honestly, I had a similar situation happen a few years ago and it feels like I am still trying to rebuild belief in myself. Even if I had hoped the angst to be lighter, I do agree with @missvictrix that it feels very raw and authentic. And given that I relate so heavily to Tae-joon’s feelings of defeat, I’m hoping the writer is planning a highly satisfying moment of catharsis down the line. She better take responsibility for all this pain she’s putting him and us through!

His family shouldn’t be judging him for being forgiving of a single moment of folly in someone’s life when he continuously, day after day, forgives their negligence and abuse without ever being asked. Just a measly “I’m sorry…” (which feels like it’s always followed by an unspoken “…things are like this and will always be like this”) every now and then is all he really ever gets for consideration. Woops, and one measly rolled egg. I swear, Tae-joon better finally get a chance to air all his frustrations or have someone, anyone, fighting for him for once very soon or I’m gonna riot.

I’m actually fine with the break-up, though I’m heartbroken for Tae-joon that it had to be for his sister’s sake and that he has literally no one to rely on. It’s sad, but, right now, Tae-joon’s love and support has become a source of guilt for Tae-yang and is keeping her from being able to be in this relationship properly. The thing is…I can’t really blame her. You can say she ended the relationship too easily, but, as even Tae-joon said, no one wants to see her having to repeatedly beg for forgiveness right now, which is the situation she would undoubtedly be in.

Even though I’m frustrated with Tae-yang’s lack of fight in these episodes, I just want her to heal so that she can love herself enough to be as reliable as I know she can be. I’ve been lost like her before so I find the characters coming together to help her fight this episode before she could finally begin to take those steps herself to be very moving. Sometimes you need help from others to begin to forgive yourself. She couldn’t expect that from Joon-young, but her team members and coaches were ready to rally for her despite knowing everything and I’m hoping we’ll see more of their impact on her soon...

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While her trajectory over the first few episodes saw her trying to accept the right to be happy without any closure, now, though she doesn’t have forgiveness, she’s free of the lies and she has enough closure with Joon-young to finally move on and begin to free herself from her endless punishing and self-loathing.

I can’t give enough praises to both Park Ju-hyun and Chae Jong-hyeop for their performances these episodes. While her performance at the end of ep 11 was especially impressive, I again want to credit him for how well he depicted the fight slowly dwindling in him towards the end. Even just that blissful moment of them looking at each other smiling like idiots in ep 11 before he finally broke the news. They just continue to emanate chemistry whenever they're in-sync together, but depict it so well whenever a wall comes between them. I credit both the acting and writing for this.

Here’s to hoping we get some fun “we’re-broken-up-but-still-have-to-work-together” hijinks next week. I admit, I’m so used to the time-skip/seperation trope paired with the break-up that I’m actually a tad bit excited for this.

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Shout out to the coach! Coach Tae Sung plays by the rule yet he still looks after his athletes.

I really can't understand why people are upset over the way Joon Young treated Junghwan after hearing he was kicked out of the national team. Clearly she is over him and they broke up mutually, but if Junghwan still can't get over her and keeps causing trouble, how is that JY's fault? She is not responsible for JH or his actions and there is no necessity for her to console him, not even as a friend. I mean who goes back to being friends immediately after a breakup? Same with Yoo min. As much as I like her, she has to be screaming at JH for losing his shit instead of yelling at JY. Where is the logic when she said "I know I won't be of much comfort to you, so that's why I spoke with JY" ? Girl, they just broke up 🙄🙄🙄 If you remove TY from the equation by removing her as the trigger for the accident and keep other things as it is, what JH does would be smiliar to an ex bf overstepping his boundaries in the name of looking out for JY. This is simply unacceptable.

With just four more episodes, I hope they do a timeskip and show our lead couple being cute and happy.

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It's not only about how she treated him but I think people are just realising how much of a shitty person she is EVERY single time.

Granted, they broke up and Junghwan should move on but you really can't blame him entirely for the way he was hung up given the circumstances surrounding their break-up. Most people need some sort of closure.

Yes JY is not responsible for his actions but I don't think he asked her/wanted her to be (he was basically done with the whole situation after their last conversation which was recorded where she told him she hated him etc) . To me it simply felt like he was standing up for an ex-GF/"friend" (he knows better now) who was being wrongfully vilified because of that video.

What was the need to make him drive all the way to meet her just to be that shitty? A text would have been enough.

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I agree JY should fix her attitude (like when she ignored his texts and calls upon her return to Korea, but selfishly asked him to do an interview) and JH needs a closure, but beating a guy and getting kicked out of the team isn't the best way to protect his ex lover's reputation. In fact, his actions added more fuel to the fire because YM mentioned he is again the talk of the town because of a girl( which is of course, JY). Also, JY was blissfully unaware about the whole fiasco until YM called her. She only met up with him because YM pressurized her by asking "Whose fault is it?", which implies JY needs to own up and set JH straight. Plus JY stated she was on her way to Seoul, so she technically did not ask him to drive up to her place.

Yes, she could have talked over the phone or texted him, but given the situation how is she supposed to knock sense into him or put an end to his feelings without talking it out in person?

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It's not clear to me that they did actually have a mutual breakup. JY just left and ignored JH's daily emails for three years. Then she comes back and tells him she hates him. You're right that she is not required to console him or be his friend, but her complete lack of respect for his feelings is selfish and borderline cruel. At the very least, they loved each other once, and we have no reason to believe JH was anything but kind and supportive of her all along. So yes, I do think she should have taken the time to see his point of view and talk to him with care and respect.

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Yes, she should spend time with JH to explain why she is over him, but he too should have understood that their relationship is never going to be the same when she ghosted him for 3 years. He did ask JY to call him once he learnt she was back in Korea, but JY ignored him again. So, what did he do next? Go ahead and throw her a party. Then TJ interrupted their talk when he came up to her house and the next scene we see is them breaking up, with him agreeing to end it. Isn't that mutual? The problem with JH is, he is a hot headed person and his unwillingness to let go of the past is causing him to have misplaced feelings. Also, people conveniently forget all the times JH bullied TY and give him sympathy points just because JY is being protrayed as a person with entitled attitude problem.

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I was really enjoying this drama until Joonyoung showed up. Now it feels a lot like a hate-watch. I'm sick of Taeyang and Joonyoung's contrived pity party. Not to mention the abusive parents and abusive coaches. But the worst part is watching Taejoon become a shell of a person. I think I will drop this show for my own sanity.

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I agree that it is frustrating when they turn something lovely into a mess because it feels like the writer is just following a formula and isn’t thinking of the characters or the audience.

Do what you need to bring peace and joy as life is hard enough without fiction making it harder. It may be that you just wait until the season ends so you can fast forward to the good bits or just read the recaps so you can satisfy your curiosity and know you made the right choice or that it all worked out well in the end.

Take care and I hope you find a drama that takes you to happy place after all that’s why most of us give our precious time to these shows.

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Thanks @reply1988

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A moment of silence to Park Taesungs tear ducts. Girl has been crying in every single of this drama so far!

I am so frustrated towards the end of this episode. Taesung breaking up to appease someone else wanted me to just throw something at her. I hope they won't get back together and Taejun will find someone else, who appreciate him far better than Taesung ever did. Also, why is everyone looking after everyone else's happiness except Taejuns? Grrr!!

Also... Yumin! Please play hard to get. I know you like the guy, but running back to him every single time he glances at you just makes you look so easy. He needs to grovel and suffer for a minute before you take him back for the nth time!!

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You've mixed up Park Taeyang with Taesung from shooting stars 😂

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hahaha oops!! Both dramas are frustrating me too much that this was bound to happen lol

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I like that K drama does friendships and love stories so beautifully when it goes well but sometimes feel they can be too extreme when they bring conflict into the story. This show and Shooting Stars have both gone from Spring sunshine and showers to full on hurricane season without giving us a chance to bask in the Summer sun.

I have been thinking more and more about the context of the Republic of Korea and how this must impact on the stories they tell.

What I first noticed when I watched K drama was the frequency of suicide in the programmes. I don’t know if it was just my limited access at that time or if there was a time when this was included due to the high rates in the country. I do wonder now that I have progressed from drama to reading books by Korean authors which give fictional accounts of the challenges of the financial crisis, the period of the Japanese occupation and forced splitting of the country causing families to lose contact with relatives because they now lived in another country, how these recent historical events effect the emotional development of the current generations.

Enforced military service because the risk is literally on your doorstep must shape a country’s view on loyalty and safety. I wonder if all of this is what leads to the emphasis on power, knowing your place, the value of friendship and trust, high expectations etc. on success and the inevitable emotional fallout of all this pressure. So many parental roles on dramas are either shown as being perfect in their loving side or extremely cold, controlling or self centred.

I am finding there is a move to add a level of darkness to what initially appeared to be a light and fluffy drama. I am hoping that we get to see a return to the happier times in this drama and others like it.

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I usually find myself wondering what informs the kdrama writers' choices to create these stories and characters the way they do...

I am always so happy when I meet good parents in a Kdrama because at some point I honestly began to wonder if parents are almost always portrayed in such a way because it's a reflection of the Korean society.

PS: A DB post with recommendations of kdramas with awesome parents won't be bad 😅

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Yes let’s campaign for that topic! The dad in My liberation notes usually plays great dad roles so this is my first time seeing him play this type of role.

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Poor Tae-Joon, the 3 women of his life are selfish and selfcentered. He deserves better.

I was exhausted by Taeyang. Honestly, she deserves a part of what it's happening. Joon-Young never had a trip because she focused on badminton. Taeyang wanted to make her happy by giving her a break but snowboarding in the middle in the night after alcohol? It was completely stupid. Joon-Young is guilty to have accepted it. But then, they hide it for what? Nothing. Both of them stopped playing badminton. For her mother... It didn't bother her when she was one of the best player on the national team.

Jung-Hwan and Yoo-Min are really cute together. Both of them are very direct and talk about their feelings. Jung-Hwan likes her but wants to be completely free from his first love to date her. I like the fact he doesn't want to use her to forget Joong-Young. It's funny like he became Tae-Joon's confidant too now :p

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I agree it bodes well for a healthy relationship if he sorts himself out and then comes into the relationship without left over feelings from his ex. I wish more people did that in real life. A lot of people use relationships as a form of therapy rather than just doing therapy with a therapist.

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On a trivial note, has anyone else noticed the strong resemblance of Park Juhyun to Ahn Bohyun and vice versa? They were both born in Busan so I wonder whether there is a gene circulating in their families which I can credit for their resemblance? (of course, I understand how basic genetics works but can’t get over their strong resemblance).

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OMG what a depressing couple of episodes! And exactly over WHAT?? Two national athletes break the rules, have too much to drink and go snowboarding, with disastrous results for one (the older) of them! The one who was injured could have said no .......and it was an ACCIDENT! Our heroine was was so remorseful that she gave up her career for three years and allowed everyone to believe she had been sacked for bribery. The injured athlete is a spoiled, entitled, thoroughly selfish young woman who proceeds to make her parents, her brother and her boyfriend as miserable as she possibly can, whilst accepting absolutely no responsibility whatsoever for what happened. And all of this is THREE YEARS AFTER THE EVENT!!!! What is the prison sentence for manslaughter in Korea? About a year, isn't it? They BOTH broke the rules, they BOTH had too much to drink, they BOTh went snowboarding. Surely the injured girl should take SOME responsibility. I doubt if our heroine would have felt any worse if her friend had died! And why did she have to leave the country? With her reputation she could have got a job just about anywhere as a coach .................bad things happen, sometimes you just have to suck it up and get on with life. I'm just hoping and praying that we don't have any more sobbing over the last four episodes, but I'm not optimistic.

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I am furious! Such a lovely show turned into a tragedy. Don't get me wrong, I'm the biggest fan of melodrama. But you can't turn a cute, fluffy story into a misery mess like that. Especially because all this tragedy makes no sense to me. I don't understand it. It's not belivable for me... is it a Corean thing? Does it make sense in Corea? To be treated like that because of an accident?
Teayang looks seriously depressed to me. She needs psichological help. Maybe it's because of her mother and she turned a friendship into an obsession... I don't know. I don't think I can stand her much longer.
And where did the badminton go? I was so excited at the idea of the two Parks playing together and becoming very good and winning everything... but they never played together. :( No one is playing anymore. And is Taeyang really a good player? She spent more time being punished or hiding from the tean than actually playing. The script is a mess in the this second half of the drama. I'm getting exhausted by all this misery.

I spend each episode waiting for someone to finally punch Joon Young in the face... but it never happes. X_X That's is the real tragedy.

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