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Through the Darkness: Episodes 7-8 Open Thread

Yay, it’s finally back! Our protagonists continue their pursuit of the country’s first serial killer, only for yet another to surface. Tracking down both murderers simultaneously proves to be no easy feat, with some traits overlapping and others diverging.

 

EPISODES 7-8 WEECAP

Using the serial killer Richard Chase as a case study, Ha-young explains that the murderer they’re chasing likely kills for pleasure and satisfaction, not out of anger.

When Ha-young returns home after work, the lights are off and the apartment is empty. He calls his mother, but she doesn’t pick up the phone.

We see the stab-and-run killer attack a woman as she walks home, only running off when illuminated by a passing car’s headlights. Back at home, the killer smiles eerily as he settles into bed, relishing the thrill of his most recent murder. Shivers.

Luckily, Ha-young’s mom is safe; it turns out she just popped out for a while to grab the things she left behind at the bakery. Together, they set up a memorial altar for Ha-young’s late father, and Ha-young pays his respects. It’s also Ha-young’s birthday, and his mother tells him she’s proud of him for becoming a police officer who can read the hearts of others.

The next morning, Ha-young is greeted by party poppers upon walking into the office. Aww, Young-soo and Woo-joo break out into a cheesy birthday song and dance, and it puts a wide smile on Ha-young’s face.

April, 2004. While on the way to a prison interview, Young-soo looks through a stack of case reports, and one in particular catches Ha-young’s attention. It’s one of the stab-and-run killer’s victims, who had been gravely injured with a camping knife. That detail makes Ha-young recall an earlier case, and he calls Woo-joo to search up previous reports. Woo-joo finds two similar cases, with the same type of knife, same neighborhood, and similar victim profile.

At the police station, Tae-gu and Il-young have also caught on to this trail. They suspect that the serial killer they’ve been chasing might have changed his M.O., but they’re also stumped by the obvious differences. Still, the victims’ description of the culprit — a short man with a small build — fits the man they’ve been looking for.

Both pairs follow up on the reports, and they find out that the murderer is balding and wore sneakers, not hiking boots. Ha-young doubts that it’s the same serial killer, since the weapon, time, and M.O. don’t match. Someone as cautious as the sledgehammer killer wouldn’t follow his victims to their homes, creating the possibility of witnesses.

Young-soo theorizes that the victims weren’t killed simply because the attacker hadn’t been able to finish the job, meaning that they may have a second serial killer on their hands. Ha-young and Young-soo suspect that the victims’ survival may also cause the killer to escalate his methods, and unfortunately, they’re right. The killer switches to a larger kitchen knife, and his next victim succumbs to her stab wounds.

In the meantime, we catch up with the sledgehammer killer, GU YOUNG-CHUN (Han Jun-woo), who’s switched to murdering call girls. He invites one into his apartment late at night, and the next morning, he steps out of the bathroom satisfied and spattered with blood.

Some time later, though, he ends up apprehended for the call girl murders, as well as the elderly residential murders. The police had eventually acted upon the pimp’s police report, and they’d found the victim’s belongings in Young-chun’s possession.

Young-chun’s statements are incoherent and inconsistent, but he voluntarily offers up a written confession of his murders and where he buried his victims, totalling up to 18 killings. However, a sudden seizure gives Young-chun an excuse to get out of his handcuffs. He uses that to his advantage, escaping out a bathroom window.

Thus begins a desperate chase down the streets. Young-chun picks up a pair of gardening shears along the way, and he uses that to stab Tae-gu after catching her off guard. He kicks her viciously once she’s down, but thankfully, Ha-young arrives in time to pull him off her. That gives Tae-gu space to get up, and she makes quick work of Young-chun even with her wound, cuffing him herself.

This incident spurs Tae-gu to reflect on herself, and she later admits to Ha-young that she’s misunderstood him. Years ago, when he’d saved her from the suspect that had pulled a knife on her, Tae-gu had felt terribly afraid. Having someone bear witness to that vulnerable moment had left her feeling ashamed. Ha-young points out that detectives are ultimately still human; everyone faces such moments of terror, including himself. Seeing Ha-young in a new light, Tae-gu sincerely thanks him.

Young-chun is taken back to the interrogation room, where he demands for the highest-ranking officer, since that’s only befitting of his status as the suspect to eighteen murders. Figuring out a plan to combat Young-chun’s arrogance, Ha-young hands superintendent Joon-shik a hefty pile of papers to give the impression that the police already have a lot of information on Young-chun.

Joon-shik coddles Young-chun as per Ha-young’s advice, lulling him into a false sense of security before sharply cornering him. It successfully unnerves Young-chun in no time. The bodies of his victims are dug up, closing the case at long last.

At the detention center, Ha-young and Young-soo interview Young-chun to find out his motives. He admits that the APB made him lay low for a while, which supports Ha-young’s profiling of him as a cautious person. “Perfect crimes require careful planning,” Young-chun says. Ha-young counters that there are no perfect crimes, only for Young-chun to retort that they failed to catch him. He claims that he was only convicted because he confessed.

Young-chun tells them that he chose houses near a church for his murders, to prove that he, not God, decided whether those people lived or died. Comparing the bathroom threshold in his apartment to the line between the living realm and the underworld, Young-chun smugly says that nobody who crossed that threshold made it out alive.

It’s an interesting examination of religion: while Ha-young finds solace in his faith, Young-chun has twisted it to vindicate his vicious murders. Young-chun’s narcissism clearly stems from his superiority complex, and he constantly tries to overcompensate for the feeling of being looked down upon by others.

Young-chun sneers that the police are corrupt, the wealthy obtain their riches illegally, and women live promiscuously. They ought to be punished, so Young-chun thinks of killing them like his job.

Insightfully, Ha-young asks if that’s why Young-chun chose victims weaker than himself. “You don’t have the right to kill them, so don’t try to justify your gruesome actions with those ridiculous excuses,” Ha-young says. “You’re nothing but a pathetic murderer.”

After the interview, Ha-young and Young-soo head for dinner. Ha-young immediately downs a shot of soju, worrying Young-soo. Clearly affected by Young-chun’s graphic retelling of his murders, Ha-young quietly asks Young-soo why he chose him for this job. “If I get drunk, will I feel a little better?” he asks, smiling forlornly. Oh, Ha-young…

One serial killer may have been put behind bars, but the other is still on the loose. The stab-and-run murderer watches gleefully from the street as an apartment burns. It looks like he’s changed his M.O. yet again, and I suspect it’s only going to get more brutal from here as his greed for the thrill grows.

Over a team dinner, Young-soo muses that in their efforts to peer into the hearts of the evil, their own hearts are running on empty. Nothing seems to fill that void, so he proposes that they share the burden of it together as a team. He tells Ha-young that while his question that night weighed heavily on him, it also made him feel glad, since it felt like Ha-young was finally opening up to him.

Encouraging him to let his feelings show instead of bottling everything up, Young-soo reassures him that the team has his back. Ha-young smiles, agreeing to try. Then he calls Young-soo out for being cheesy. Haha, aww.

I feel like I comment on this every week, but I really love that despite its tight pacing and suspenseful action, the show still takes the time to show the growth of our characters. The slowly-but-surely developing bonds between our team are so heartwarming to see, and the way they bring a little light to one another’s lives is a welcome respite amidst the bleakness of their job.

After four years of working together, our main trio seems to have settled into a comfortable dynamic. Woo-joo has finally managed to convince Ha-young to speak informally to him, and I love that they’ve basically teamed up to subtly tease Young-soo by not reacting at all to his corny jokes, ha. I’m looking forward to seeing more of their camaraderie, so Show, please keep them all safe!

Having to confront the darkest depravity of the human mind isn’t an easy job, much less for someone who feels as deeply as Ha-young does. He carries so much on his shoulders, choosing to take up the mantle of leading the prison interviews so that the more emotional Young-soo won’t have to. Still, that doesn’t mean Ha-young is any less sensitive, and each criminal he encounters only adds to his torment. It’s becoming more difficult for him to keep that turmoil under wraps, and I worry that it may spill over all too soon.

On a side note, I’m so impressed by the details in this drama. For example, the shirt that Young-chun changes into while on the run has the words “I’m a bad influence, but… damn I’m fun!!!” on it. It shows that the production team has extended their effort into even the smallest intricacies, and it really elevates the show. Not a moment is wasted, and I’m already anticipating the next episode.

 
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Still surprised Bong-sik was useful in apprehending Gu Young-chun. But its also sad that large numbers of women can go missing and the police need incentive to start investigating.

It was nice to see the police starting to utilize information gained from the profiling instead of everyone working in their own silos.

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I don't think Bong-sik did anything, though. According to Tae-gu, it was the pimp himself who tracked Gu down and shopped him to the cops. Bong-sik was just a sort of go-between. In fact, if he'd started investigating earlier, when the pimp first asked him to, Gu would have been caught more quickly.

All in all, the police didn't exactly cover themselves in glory for this case, in fiction as well as in real life. But I do like how none of the characters in this show is a superhero. Even the profilers are still finding their feet and learning to work with the investigators.

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Oh, I may have gotten that wrong after reading wikipedia and assumed Bong-sik was standing in for the police officer they referenced. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoo_Young-chul indicated the owner, several employees, and a single police officer went to meet with Young-chun after growing suspicious.)

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Yes he probably was the officer who made the arrest, but I think he only showed up after the pimp himself found Gu. (Ditto for the real case.) He didn't follow up on the disappearances at all.

I was thinking about your point about all those women whom hardly anyone cared about, and it made me realise that even Ha-young's APB idea was flawed. Yes it did stop the murders of affluent older people, but it drove Gu to target another group that he could kill in much larger numbers before anyone noticed or cared.

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I think him being useful just as a contact, not actually doing investigative work, was surprising. Though considering it a bit more, it actually makes sense because Bong-sik would be happy to take credit for someone else's work. The bar is very low.

I think for their immediate problem, the APB did give them hope that Gu would find it too hard to continue harming the older affluent people and perhaps someone could identify him. But long term, I agree, is quite flawed as he switched to "less noticeable/more vulnerable" victims. Unfortunately its hard to know if the switch wouldn't have happened anyway, if I remember correctly in the real case part of Gu's motivation to switch victims was caused by an ex-girlfriend.

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The scene between Ha around and the murderer was so well done. I enjoy this drama so much and that was a good bit of acting by both.

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Both episodes were Ultimately worth the wait.

The killers give me chills down my spine seriously. I can't help but imagine what type of neurons runs through their brains. The moment the Policemen hats dropped when they finally uncovered the bodies made my heart dropped too.

They all did well, all of the Police Force agents including our beloved Profilers. But I still can't get the backlash they received from the public. Like, hello, this workers aren't perfect and those demons aren't fools neither. You can't expect every criminal to be caught immediately especially those whose souls the devil even fear.

One thing I loved was that the rest of the Special Squad members finally recognized our Profilers who and what they really are especially Yoon Tae-gu.

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This show is fast becoming my all-time favourite! Absolutely love the intensity and the emotional depth.

And I like that they didn’t spend time showing how they physically captured Gu Young Chun (initial arrest) but used it instead to deep dive into his thinking and the emotional turmoil the policemen went through. I think that was really refreshing and much more interesting.

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The show hasn’t missed a beat, even after that long hiatus. The interview scene between Ha-young and Gu Young-chun was so incredibly well-done. I keep continually praising Kim Nam-gil and these interview scenes, but they’re so tightly written and paced that it feels wrong to not say something. The writer deserves all the screenwriting accolades for it. I also want to praise actor Han Jun-woo for his performance as Gu Young-chun. It could not have been easy playing someone so irredeemably vicious, yet he did so perfectly. I loathed every minute we were forced to interact with him. Well done, show.

That said, my favourite scenes from these episodes by far were the team celebrating Ha-young’s birthday with that silly dance and party poppers. I love seeing Ha-young happy! He deserves the world and I’m glad that his team appreciates him as he is. The other scene was the aftermath of the interview. It breaks my heart to see Ha-young suffering (obviously, since I just said that happy Ha-young is the best Ha-young). For someone as empathetic as Ha-young, it cannot be easy to just sit there and hear from the minds of some of the most depraved humanity has to offer. It’s just a few unspoken scenes and one line, but it manages to show us so much of Ha-young’s psyche. Through the Darkness truly exemplifies ‘show, don’t tell’.

Going forward, I hope the Special Squad and Behaviour Analysis Team cooperate on cases. Tae-goo is a certified badass, and it’d be cool to see her and Ha-young team up now that their misunderstanding is over. I also hope Kim Bong-sik chokes on a chicken bone! Sorry, not sorry.

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Did anyone notice how Ha-young looked so happy carrying the puppy of the witness? 😃 If anyone is interested, there is a documentary on netflix called The Raincoat Killer - this is the documentary on Go Yong Chun and how he was caught. I must say this show stuck to the facts fairly accurately, including the characters' portrayal of the policemen etc.

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One aspect of the police capture of Raincoat Killer has wedged into my brain and won't leave. Police had undercover officers respond as call girls. When one showed up to meet the killer, he took one look and said "Too tall". Because he transported the victims to the mountain in bags and he knew the carry capacity. Chilling.

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I missed this drama and Kim Nam-Gil on my screen!

I like how the investigation is potrayed in this drama. They worked hard to catch him but it's still with a little chance they could catch Gu Young-Chun. We can see how hard it was for Ha-young and Young-soo to get informations from Gu Young-Chun.

The relationship between the team is the best part. They're so lovely together.

I noticed CGC's T-shirt too, they have some humor.

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Really, really loving this drama - an absolutely compelling watch! As others have said, respect to the actor playing Gu Young-chan who really nailed it. Baffling, threatening, sly, arrogant all in the space of a few lines and gestures - well done, sir! Gu Young-chan is chilling, but I'm pretty sure I loathe Kim Bong-sik more - his horrendous attitude to his team/work, his childish vendetta against Ha-young, his whiny voice, his lack of scruples when passing on confidential info to the press... I need him to meet his come-uppance, show!

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I so miss this show and glad its here!
I have been wondering how they will catch GYC and I am glad they finally did. It irks me that he was so high and mighty so I was glad that Inspector Ha put him in his place. So now we are left with that other killer.
It was an uphill battle for the Behavioral Analysis Team but I am glad that they are making progress and their colleagues like Captain Yoon are finally seeing their value to the team.

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Weirdly one of the things I like most about this show is the sense of anxiety it creates. Not just for the potential victims, which is a staple in any thriller, but for the investigation itself. I am constantly in a heightened state wanting the multiple teams to talk to each other and share information so the culprit can be caught faster, before any more murders occur. I haven't seen too many other thrillers make the investigative process come alive so well.

The acting of course elevates the whole thing further. The interrogation scene was so good. Kim Nam-gil is excellent as always but the actor portraying Gu Young-chun really held his own.

Loved the small glimpse of light in the darkness we got through the epilogues. Please keep making Ha-young smile more!

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I may have made a mistake watching the 2021 three episode docuseries from Netflix, THE RAINCOAT KILLER: CATCHING A PREDATOR IN KOREA. This documentary is about the investigation and capture of serial killer Yoo Young-chul who is the basis for TTD’s Gu Young-chun. This first 2 episodes of the docuseries covered where TTD stopped at the end of episode 6. The third episode of the docuseries covered the capture of actual serial killer Yoo Young-chul. I found the docuseries third episode fascinating. In TTD, Gu Young-chun’s apprehension isn’t anywhere near as dramatic as in actuality. IIrc the detectives at first didn’t know that they had the serial killer until he started bragging. They looked at this guy and said, “yeah, right”.
TTD has the gist of how it went down but I think it could have been more dramatic. Also the follow up. An example. When YYC was brought out of the station that event was on national television and while he was standing at the head of the steps to the station (not set back like in TTD) something happened that caused a national uproar and eventually caused at least one senior police officer a promotion he was expecting.
The reason for the condensed version of Gu Young-chun’s arrest probably has to do with time constraints: TTD is covering the investigation and capture of two serial killers and the desire for the prison interviews.
That all being said I am really enjoying TTD and Kim Nam-gil’s great performance. (Since I am in gripe mode I might as get one more in. I wish make-up wise that KNG didn’t look jaundiced to me.)

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It is based on the nonfiction book and also more on the profilers, instead of the cases. So, it was interpret differently.

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I have so missed having KNG on my screen - and so glad it's back.

I think the scene where Ha-young takes over for Young-soo perfectly explains why he "has to be the one." People who feel things very deeply - and hold that emotion - learn to develop all kinds of (not always healthy) ways of suppressing their emotions and keeping them in check. It makes them come across as cold, when the reality is quite different. And they are very often the same people who cannot understand whey people praise them for doing the right thing - because empathy forces you to do that. When you suppress the outward display of emotion - expressing that emotion through service becomes reflexive. You can't imagine any other way. And it takes people who really know you to understand that you are acting out of love. It's easy to read it as being for recognition or some sort of personal gain, when it really only is an expression of love and compassion. Ha-young's deep compassion for the victims override his revulsion - because solving the problem is his way of displaying that emotion.

As an INTJ, I feel this so much.

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@robbinlynn, Robbin, sorry for the delay. You have written a beautiful description for Detective Song Ha-young. Kim Nam-gil might as well be following your character description. Excellent!

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I appreciate how the focus is on the interview so that we get to see Ha-young enter into the mind of Young-chun. The heart of the drama is his unique ability to do this with so much subtlety. He gets the evil spirit to name itself. And then the ugliness of what he encounters is conveyed so effectively, not only in words but also in expression that we almost share the encounter it with him. Then he turns it around by telling Young-chun what he is, not an ordained avenger, but an ordinary murder who preys on those weaker than himself, and all the inflated self-estimation leaves the killer like hot air from a balloon. Then we see the aftermath, the toll it has taken in Ha-yong. Every time he walks out the door to the prison, he is emerging from that dark and terrible place where he has come face-to-face with evil. He must be at risk of losing himself every time he goes through this experience. Restoring him to himself is the best gift his team can give him.

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