[Drama Chat] What made The Red Sleeve Cuff such a hit?
by DB Staff
If, while you’re reading this, you hear the sound of weeping (and are perhaps adding to it), it’s because we’re also sad about missing the boat on this drama. But rather than cry over spilled milk (or let it explode in your face a la Start-Up), let’s talk about that special spark that The Red Sleeve Cuff had.
In a drama season that was full of sageuk, what made The Red Sleeve Cuff stand out? There were certainly other dramas in the same airing cycle that had higher buzz or bigger names, but something made The Red Sleeve Cuff pop, going from 5% ratings for its premiere week, to not only an extension, but a whopping 17% for its final episodes.
Were you around from the beginning, or did you ride the Sleeve wave a little later on in its run? What pulled you in? What pulled you out?
What made The Red Sleeve Cuff such a hit?
Let the chatting begin!
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1 Jezz
January 30, 2022 at 6:34 AM
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2 Jezz
January 30, 2022 at 6:37 AM
The Red Sleeve Cuff was a hit for the lead cast members: Junho and Lee Se-young so did the newbie Kang Hoon. The Red Sleeve Cuff gave MBC a sucessful comeback in terms of ratings after a few Kdrama flops on this channel and then, MBC should considered not only one of this channel's hits but also it was one of the best sageuks of all time. Later, it won the 2021 MBC Drama Awards as the drama of the year.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_MBC_Drama_Awards
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3 jerrykuvira
January 30, 2022 at 7:13 AM
What made Red Sleeve a hit. In my region, it was a historical drama whose predecessor Yi San, King of the Palace garnered so much praise.
I really don't know why it became a hit in Korea, but we can attest it to the fact that it was a drama talking about a court lady who are technically the king's women, wanting to have an agency of herself and whom she would love. And Red Sleeve used the plot device nicely.
Plus Lee Se-young was a functional female lead, not a Candy. It's being a while we had a female lead who had her own drive other than serving as a clutch
hung up on the male lead.
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Beanies206
January 30, 2022 at 10:51 PM
Agreed! When she finally succumb and accepted Junho, I was a little disappointed to be honest. I want her to continue being her ownself while loving & protecting the King by his side. But I read the history after the show and find out it was inevitable.
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jerrykuvira
January 31, 2022 at 12:24 AM
She had no choice. And Yi San had other ways to protect her but choosed that since it was the safest.
No one would want to cross the King's favorite concubine without thinking twice, but everyone would want to cross the King's favorite maid.
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Yosemite
February 2, 2022 at 9:17 AM
Circumstances do not allow as the King rival will try to find ways to make Deok Kim , the King beloved lady, a pawn to make the KIng compromise to their request even she leave the palace. It is only become a consort that they cannot abuse her.
The sad part is Deok KIm died at such a young age and did not have a chance to able to use her wit/ talent to assist the King because she is just a court lady status and never able to be Queen. What she can offer is a listening year and a comfort to the king
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jerrykuvira
February 2, 2022 at 12:25 PM
She could never become Queen even if she loved for a long period of time. The King who ruled during the era of Deposed Queen back to Royal Noble Consort Jang Hui-bin made a law that forbade court ladies rising to the rank of Queen.
And I sure agree with you that she would have really aided the King with her sharp wit.
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4 Kurama
January 30, 2022 at 7:33 AM
It's a good question. I think Koreans love trends. They can come from very weird fanvideo or others, a spark is enough. I mean GFriend became famous because they slipped several times on stage... Or they loved to eat in famous restaurant and wait for it during hours.
What is funny with this drama, it's the beginning of the story was the best part but after it lost its focus and became meh. But it was buzzworthy and the ratings just went high because it was the hot topic and the quality wasn't important anymore.
It's still the worse role for Lee Se-Young for me, but I like her as an actress and I'm happy for her. She deserves the recognition.
The star for me was the King played by Lee Deok-Hwa. He was really great.
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5 halofan68
January 30, 2022 at 8:03 AM
When my wife and I (used to) eat out, we received great meals at two types of restaurants: (1) the occasional hotspot that actually lived up to the hype and (2) neighborhood joints which had little or no originality but everything on the menu was executed with love and care -- RSC is the latter for me. Many of the usual dramaland and sageuk cliches were still present but because the show treated them as integral to the script rather that throwaway fan service, they worked much better.
Also, if the perspective of my mother and her halmoni crew means anything, the romance between Jeongjo and Lady Seong is the THE great historical love story, even more so than the the one between King Sukjong and Lady Choe.
Relatedly, while I understand academics may differ, the popular perception is that Jeongjo and, especially Sejong, are the two kings who came closest to the myth of the truly benevolent monarch. Much in the way American entertainment periodically cycles back to the life of Abraham Lincoln, I would not be surprised if there is yet another successful Jeongjo vehicle in the next 10-20 years.
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6 ava
January 30, 2022 at 10:33 AM
I am still on episode 13. I started 2 days ago. Dont judge me, cause you know... :P It is different, but at the same time it still a sageuk. What I liked about it? The King didnt hate the Crown Prince, he adored his grandson. There was no need to kill the King with a poisoned tea. We saw a different side of sageuk. There is the terror of it, but we could see that it indeed takes a village to make the King, a King. We saw that every person has a job in this world. Being maid or being the King. The character development was amazing. While I usually give up on second half of the dramas, this one kept it going good. The story kept going.
And off course, a female lead that was strong enough. I am gonna be honest, the last time I saw something like this was in WWW: Search. And a male lead that respected her, despite being the King.
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KimDewdrop
January 30, 2022 at 3:56 PM
Kill the king? I think you got it wrong because the king died of natural reasons not his grandson killing him. His grandson rejected the idea of doing that immediately it was conceived by his close followers.
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ava
February 2, 2022 at 1:11 AM
I said there was no need to kill the king with tea. Most sageuks use that plot to kill their kings. By using poison in the tea to kill the king.
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KimDewdrop
February 2, 2022 at 2:25 AM
There was a plan to do that, but it did not work. That's what I'm trying to say
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7 lillamy
January 30, 2022 at 10:45 AM
Junho!
Damn, that boy's got smolder.
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lillamy
January 30, 2022 at 10:51 AM
That's really just off the top of my head though. ;)
For me, I think the directing was the key element. Everything was executed with so much love and care. It was like being to Japan, where everything is served with such devotion to perfection. It told the story it wanted to tell without veering of into the realm of fanfiction much. And I think everyone shared the same vision.
Somehow, the characters portrayed by Lee Deok-hwa and Hang Hye-jin very much shine to me as well.
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aisuzieya
February 2, 2022 at 8:09 AM
i agree. everyone seem to get along well with each other too that you can literally feel & see on screen
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Fly Colours
January 30, 2022 at 11:07 AM
You beat me to saying it 🤣
Now, really, I think this is a very pretty sageuk but the plot and the tone was somewhat inconsistent, - like, all the Fairy Army and then Hong just being a monster to women in general, why? Why? And I refuse to talk anymore about how this isn't a story that should be framed as romantic, because the power imbalance between ML and FL is atrocious, but I already ranted about it on the fanwall. In that aspect, I think the 2 final episodes did a great job in showing us how unfair and problematic it was.
Also, the tone. At times we are watching a romcom, on others it's more like a more realistic biopic... I just found it strange, taking into account that it is based on a novel.
Anyways... Why was it so successful? For starters, it's never the "best" things that shoot to stardom, because it's more of a combination of different factors that at a given time just happen to get caught up in the hype. In this case, I guess it was a combination of a solvent production, Junho looking very hot, a great and super professional cast, a famous and beloved story to inspire it, a strong female lead, and a bit of internet magic
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jerrykuvira
January 30, 2022 at 1:15 PM
'The power imbalance was atrocious'
That was a norm in the Joseon society then. Yet, RSC's Duk-Im showed that she was no ordinary woman. She utilized the freeness she got as the CP's court lady properly, even using it to challenge the CP. Unless if I do not understand what you term power imbalance, I beam with pride each time she challenged his power with her might or through Queen Kim.
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Fly Colours
January 30, 2022 at 2:39 PM
Yes, Deokim (at least the fictional one we saw, I really can't speak for the real person) challenged Yisan because she kept saying no, although everything - including the fact that she was groomed for that purpose from a young age - and everyone around her pressured her into giving in. But drama established that she couldn't say no anymore, and was wrapped in a bow and delivered to Yisan's bed. Sure, that's the way things were, and imo that's what makes her an interesting character - Deokmi treasured the freedom she had above notions like status or romantic love, and found meaning in her work and friendships.
But then drama shows us her loosing all that, and it's so freaking sad to see her lingering away waiting for Jeongjo to drop by, apart from her children, unable to work... Drama picks the typical "happily ever after" and turns it on its head. Everyone has a different viewing experience, but this is my takeaway from this drama: even if she loved him, she KNEW that she could never be really happy with Yisan because of his role. And when we see them together it's cute and affectionate, but as the drama advances, we can see how Deokmi gradually censors herself more and more next to Yisan. In the last episode it's clear how much she keeps go herself because he's the King. Not saying that they didn't love each other - drama establishes that, and their romantic scenes until the end are very swoony - but I keep on thinking that their power imbalance was effectively atrocious. As Queen Kim said, they were prisoners in that palace.
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Beverly
January 30, 2022 at 3:22 PM
I haven't watched this but maybe "the everyone has a different viewing experience " is one of the reasons so many liked it. Another I haven't watched that seemed to have that same effect on people is Squid Games, people taking away different meanings.
Though not as popular I'd maybe put My Ahjussi in that category too. I wonder if people come back to this drama in 5 or 10 years if they'd have different take aways just dependent on what they've experienced in the intervening years and where they are in life.
jerrykuvira
January 31, 2022 at 12:16 AM
'Wrapped and delivered to Yi San's bed'
Couldn't you have made your point without pointing out the fact that she was bundled to his bed😂. Besides it was high time it happened.
Fly Colours
January 31, 2022 at 12:47 AM
@jerrykuvira but she was! I also like it when my drama characters quit being all "gazing deeply into each others eyes" and get on with it. But everything about that ceremonial sequence of her getting ready and being delivered to him felt like a defeat. It would have been a lot more satisfying if they set up their first time as a more spontaneous and free will-like moment. Alas, what we got felt more true to reality 😥
lillamy
January 30, 2022 at 1:40 PM
Oh, I loved Hong! Yes, he was a creep, but a very well written one. No matter what, you could always count on him stabbing you in the back.
And as this story tried to stay mostly true to facts, the power imbalance didn't come off as strange to me. Like @jerrykuvira notes, it was the norm in the days. Duk-Im very much knew what she was getting into and she also used her influence over the crown prince. I don't know korean history so the fuzzy fairy-tale like editing and soft, playful background music lulled me into romantic fantasies which were then brutally taken from my modern self.
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Fly Colours
January 30, 2022 at 2:46 PM
Yes, I liked Hong a lot too! Kang Hoon did a great job portraying him as this ambitious dude with flaky morals and absolutely no respect for women. There was depth to him, and it came across that he felt true affection for his sister and Yisan, but it was complicated and we was a bit sh*tty... That kind of character is totally up my lane 😅
But I still think that they went a stretch too far when they made him a women torturer just to frame Court Ladies for his shenanigans. Really, there was no need for that. Why didn't they go with the corruption plotline, which, if I'm not wrong, is what actually happened?
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Atlas
January 30, 2022 at 10:47 PM
They followed the book when it came to hong's plotline of torturing the lady. I read some spoilers from the book so it was clear for me why he did that. First of all he always thought court ladies were lowlives and used them for his benefits only.
So when his sister died ,apart from his love for her, his dreams of acquiring more power got shattered. He became delusional and believed the queen killed his sister . Thus he decided to frame her by using the court ladies.
I guess they finally needed something dramatic as a final nail in the coffin to finish his character off.
Fly Colours
January 30, 2022 at 11:00 PM
Thanks for clearing that up, Atlas! When I watched it I didn't get the delusional bit, so I thought we was just being over the top evil
Fly Colours
January 30, 2022 at 11:14 PM
*he! (autocorrect 🙄)
jerrykuvira
January 31, 2022 at 12:21 AM
While I could never find pity for Hong, I really felt for him when he recalled the crux of his being unable to become the King's person. It was really sad that Yi San's final trust in him was based on a lie and that fact followed him all his life. Had he come clean, would the scenario had changed?
Mer
January 31, 2022 at 3:11 AM
Lol, your expectation is the best! 🤭👍🏻 Agree on most you mentioned.
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8 lynnet
January 30, 2022 at 12:38 PM
I found this drama to be a very satisfying watch ,every moment made sense to me. I love how light and comedic the 1st quarter was when they were younger and more free and he was the Crown Prince. Even the lighting shifted as the drama became a bit more high stakes as if they were also having to grow up and leave their childlike wonder behind. I loved how realistic the relationship was , in a lot of show where girls fall in love with royalty ; the idea of falling in love with a man who has absolute power over you and how dangerous that can be is never fully explored , the drama tends to be external but here their problems in relation to their positions in life made so much sense. I enjoyed how bittersweet it was and how even when they ended up together they were realistic about her losses and the underlying resentment it must have generated. I even love the fact that she never said those 3 little words as a way of retaining her agency. The imperfect nature of their love made it that much more satisfying to me because I think very few people ever really experience the healthiest type and a romance occurring in this time period and palace setting would be anything but healthy.
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9 miss h
January 30, 2022 at 12:39 PM
Right time, right place? I think there were probably several reasons: Good cast and chemistry between the cast, word of mouth, and the fact that it was based on a famous story. I'm not a sageuk fan, but I tend to like ones based on real historical figures better.
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10 DancingEmma
January 30, 2022 at 1:28 PM
I had written this long and carefully thought out comment, and the system malfunctioned and erased it. Grrrrr, and aigoo.
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cozybooks
February 7, 2022 at 5:31 PM
Lol I've had that happen to me a few times. Now I'm pretty good at copying and pasting the comment somewhere safe before posting, just in case.
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11 Emperor Titus
January 30, 2022 at 6:51 PM
I maybe wrong, because I quit the drama at Episode 8.
I know some interpret the drama as two falling in love to each other but only become a poignant sad story because of their different status and moral in ancient Joseon era (he begins as a crown prince, and she a royal servant). Some think it is romantic because of a strong man conquest of a head strong, free-spirited woman. I know all those elements and why they say those elements make this a drama a successful one. Certainly, a well-known love story in Joseon Royal Court may have helped boost the rating as well. I read all those articles and watched all those explanatory videos on YouTube.
For me, however, I don't see how romantic it is.
I am a man, and I know when a woman says "no" to me, that means NO. I don't think a man with a higher authority forcing a woman onto his bed is "romantic".
But I guess in some societies (not only South Korea, but overall East Asian culture) with straight hierarchical social structure this story is somehow "romantic". I simply don't get it. That doesn't mean, however, it cannot be a good story. Since I only watched half of the show, I can't say it for sure; but if you want to know what I think, here it is.
(Afterall, watching two poor souls overcome their pass trauma--being abandoned and low self-esteem due to poverty, to be exact--and getting together again after 5 years of breaking up from a 5 year love relationship is way more satisfying to me. In fact, I love that drama so much I quit all other dramas, so I guess this is another reason I quitted this very drama)
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Emperor Titus
January 30, 2022 at 6:59 PM
By the way, a secret society in the royal court among royal servants put me even more off. Junho and Lee Se-young may have been very talent actors (I am pretty sure Lee is, as I watched her in The Crowned Clown. I know political infighting is common, and I don't mind to watch a good one in a sageuk (One in Mr. Queen made me laugh a lot, in fact), but this one? I just feel ridiculous ...
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Atlas
January 30, 2022 at 10:58 PM
Tbh in the past there were indeed some kind of secret society and a court lady was actually involved in treason. However the drama made it too grand and i blame it on the writer. The original book didn't have that plot.
Regarding your comment abt how u don't see this drama as a romance. That's actually a point many people agree. I can't say much but the last two episodes particularly solidified this particular notion. No sane person would call their relationship a healthy one.
I remember while watching the penultimate episode, although there were happy moments between them as a couple, i still felt this heavy burden on my chest. Like i just wanted her to be free. What i liked abt this drama is that they didn't shy away from showing how flawed their love story was. There was no sugarcoating , the woman had to sacrifice her everything yet the man got to keep what he wanted. That's why the female lead never verbally gave him an affirmation of her love towards him. She thought atleast this was a choice she could make. The core theme of the drama applies in modern day too. You can be in love yet not happy.
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Beanies206
January 30, 2022 at 11:41 PM
I agreed calling this drama romantic is a stretch. I do feel iffy and conflicted about the bed scene. It is after all a Joseon/traditional way of thinking/culture.
If I can advocate for the drama/the King's action since I'm not sure if you watch that scene, he always respected Deok Im's decision not wanting to be a concubine. He finally made the decision to make her his concubine to protect her. He knew that she will be in danger if he left her be. That's why in that scene, he says if she choose to reject him, she has to leave the palace. Of course, he also wants her for selfish reasons. For Deok-Im, she has always wanted to be with him but stay as a court lady. But when finally presented the option of leaving but never seeing the King ever again, she knew that being his concubine is the only option for her to be with him.
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cozybooks
February 7, 2022 at 5:33 PM
I thought it was so captivating purely because I wouldn't call it romantic. It was such a different drama for me because it seemed aware of how heartbreaking it was for her to make these decisions, no matter how much she liked him outside his role as king. She also really respected and admired him AS king, but resisted so hard having that infringe upon her own personal identity. It felt very bittersweet to me and that's why I liked it.
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12 bewitched
January 30, 2022 at 7:50 PM
I think everything just fall in place at the right timing? But for me the main catalyst is Junho and that he’s excellent at his job as both idol and actor. Since the My House craze back in 2020 people starts to get fascinated and discover his years long career. He’s not slacking at all so there are tons of material about him you can find (hundreds of concerts while also have movies and dramas means new fans are blessed with abundant stuffs to watch). I say he's the main reason because even during MBC Gayo Daejejon, which he only served as an MC, the rating was high. Some fans of the drama even got mad he danced with other woman (SNSD Yoona) since he IS San (the logic..).
The casts’ acting and their chemistry, the cinematography, the costume, the music, and the behind the scenes are great. For me it made up for the sloppiness in the story. So I personally think TRS itself is a good product, that’s why the buzz generated with the help of reporters are so well received by the general public.
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13 tabong is ironing the crosswalk
January 30, 2022 at 8:51 PM
For me the drama was really interesting at the beginning. Watching a Sageuk from the point of view of regular court ladies was really exciting. I learned a lot about their jobs and their life style. I really liked seeing Deok Im and her friends having a regular day. I also liked San because he didn't act like a total jerk, I mean, he was a brat yeah, but he was also nice and funny.
I also liked that the politics seemed interesting (I skipped the politics in 90% of the sageuks I've watched), I was curious about the bad court lady (she wasn't that bad tho, San almost got a bunch of court ladies killed), about the queen, about the weird king, about Sado...
I really enjoyed the first half of the show, it was the first Sageuk I didn't drop or put on hold after Mr. Queen. So I guess it became a hit because it was a refreshing cliche? It's not the first time we see the rich brat and the poor girl romance, or a FL being comfortable with her life style and feeling desperate to protect it, or a crown prince wanting to do better for his people, or people plotting against the crown prince; but the way they were doing it in TRS was really entertaining and nice.
Then everything after EP 12 happened and I hated it, but I think it became hit before that so I'm guessing the reasons I mentioned are valid, Idk.
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Fly Colours
January 30, 2022 at 9:49 PM
The court ladies! The two things about the drama that engaged me the most were: the court ladies' point of view and the way every relationship Yisan had was ambiguous, because it was either framed by his status, or tainted by his father's wrongdoings.
But going back to the Court Ladies, I I loved to see Court Ladies daily life's and ceremonies, the practicalities of their jobs, and the fact that they were all different individuals - with different tastes and abilities and life expectations - made it richer. Deokim's scenes with her friends were a highlight of the drama for me. Unfortunately, the whole Court lady conspiracy fell flat for me - I think drama worked best in its more realistic bits
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cozybooks
February 7, 2022 at 5:36 PM
YES. I loved seeing things from the court ladies point of view. It was so fascinating that the drama didn't shy away from making a statement that this wasn't a fairytale world, it wasn't even pleasant for a lot of them, but they did it anyway. They enjoyed themselves as they could, and lived.
I too was a bit leary of the big court lady secret organization, but other than that I was the most invested in the little court intrigues (trying to win so-and-so over to their side etc.) the most in this drama than any other I've watched. Mostly because of how the actress for Deok-Im handled it, I think.
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14 P
January 30, 2022 at 9:48 PM
In a land full of fictional/fusion saeguk that has no basis in history and lack the epicness, it is no wonder it slips your mind and of course the biasness (maybe) towards lighter and more modern dramas. Of course a saeguk based on a traditional saeguk will stand out, what's more with history based on real-life king. Who cares if the other characters are from history as well?
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15 MukbangYoongi
January 30, 2022 at 10:44 PM
I know what made it popular was probably an intersection of many things, from the leads themselves to their chemistry, the gorgeous cuts and framing and the story they chose, and how they spent time on each morally grey character's perspective.
But I especially loved it for how they portrayed YiSan's love and resentment toward his grandfather. The desperation and pressure he was always under really came through 🥺👏👏
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16 Beanies206
January 30, 2022 at 10:46 PM
Hello everyone! It's been so long since I commented but I have always been a silent stalker of the site.
My sister and I both were fans of the LJH and LSY, I especially LOVED LJH in Rain or Shine, so we have heard about the drama when it was airing. So when we were deciding on a fluff drama to watch together, we settled on this drama even though I was reluctant as I am not a fan of saeguk. Boy, how wrong were we thinking it is a fluff drama and how glad that I watched it.
I enjoyed the intensity of the drama and how well it highlighted the precarious the lives of the characters even the crown prince. Both Junho and Seyoung did an amazing job at their roles.
The multi-dimensional characters were also of the great qualities of the show. From Hong Deok-ro to Head Court Lady Jo, all the characters have their good and bad sides. I feel the show really did a great job in fleshing most if not all of the characters. Shout to Deok-hwa ajusshi as the King and Oh Dae Hwan as the comic relief royal guard.
I also like the pacing of the drama. They never linger too long on any of the plot points. From someone who doesn't really know the history of Joseon, the show did well in telling the history without being too long-winded. The pacing only slowed down at end with the politicking which I have to admit I fast forward most of it.
Overall, my sister and I were truly enjoyed the show even though my sister was a little upset she didn't get the 'fluff' she wanted. Hahaha!
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Fly Colours
January 30, 2022 at 11:10 PM
First of all, yay for commenting! It's ok to lurk in DB, but it's even better to join the party 🥳
And you're right: I was talking only about Yisan, but drama did a great job at fleshing out all of the main characters and giving them depth and ambiguity.
Hope your sister gets her fluff soon enough! The sad ending in TRSC was upsetting even for the viewers who knew from the beginning what happened to the real people
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Beanies206
January 30, 2022 at 11:46 PM
What upsets her is not the ending but the lack of romantic scenes between our leads. But I get that it is the slow-burner kind of romance.
Well, I am trying to convince her to watch Our Beloved Summer. Hoping for at least more fluff scenes. Hahaha.
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17 KS stuck on 🥰 Aegiya KHAAJA🥰
January 30, 2022 at 11:11 PM
I have yet to finish it.. put it on hold after 10th episode cause CP was trying his best to make DI give in.. his physical hold on her shoulders and just trying to overpower her with his Kingly persona made me go mad already.. and then i got it know it dint improve either so i doubt ill complete it cause i want to be saved for my blood boiling with rage n anger...
but it being such a hit.. ill say its the chemistry between the leads.. Junho n SY was too beautiful to be ignored together... they are beautiful as individual but together they just turned the whole drama just toooo Good... and by the time the real plot point came into play (no matter how meh) the chemistry kept the ball rolling for viewers and it really must have become hard to drop it cause people had invested good amount of time and emotions with these characters.
thats my take.
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Fly Colours
January 30, 2022 at 11:34 PM
Yes, Yisan does creepy stuff - and he gets a lot worse. I'm not defending him, but it's worth clearing up that that was the status quo: he was raised in a social setting where all the court ladies were "his", and people around him enabled him and actively told him (Hong, the Queen) to rape Deokim. Like, the King is the ultimate entitled chaebol. That can't be good for your moral compass, even if deep down you're not a bad person 😂
So, what makes the story interesting for me is that their relationship was messy: they liked each other, but their circumstances f*cked everything up. And I think that the drama makes it clear that Yisan is scary and has total power over Deokim's safety and that that isn't cool.
But, yes, the romantic tone was off - and I found it upsetting too. The last two episodes totally redeemed the drama for me because they went for a more realistic vibe
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Atlas
January 31, 2022 at 12:03 AM
Couldn't have said any better. He indeed is a red flag and creepy if we go by today's standards . But based on joseon era , he was the best man out there who despite having the means to easily have his way with her because of his absolute power , he chose to wait for her for 15 years. Although his love was selfish but he tried to do everything in his capacity to make her feel comfortable and loved, in his own language. He gave her a chance to go away from him . It was a difficult choice but ultimately the fl chose his love rather than her freedom.
In regular sageuks we often meet these main leads who are portrayed as the perfect man. But in reality the power imbalance will always be there. It was uncomfortable to watch and hard to root for them but i was glad cause it made me realise that not all love stories involving princes is a fairy tale like.
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Fly Colours
January 31, 2022 at 12:38 AM
The only thing that I would argue is that her choice wasn't really a free choice. She literally almost got killed by stupid palace intriguing, and the last time he asked her, it was posed as an ultimatum. So, yeah, I don't see it as a free choice in any way. To me it felt like a defeat. But other viewers may interpret it differently.
A sign that the drama is good is the fact that there are so many opinions about the characters and their decisions ☺️
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cozybooks
February 7, 2022 at 5:44 PM
Yes, I agree with all of this. It's such a hard situation, and his love was very selfish. But I do think she made a choice, even though it was posed as an ultimatum...
I was struck in the last episode by just how lonely he was portrayed. The long shots of him alone in the courtyard, the advisors always trailing BEHIND him... he really relied on Deok-Im just to have a normal life. When I consider myself faced with such a prospect, along with the desire to protect at any means necessary, I understand a bit more his desperation to keep her next to him. This is not to condone his insistance that she become his concubine... it just helped me realize it wasn't a heartless act.
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KS stuck on 🥰 Aegiya KHAAJA🥰
January 31, 2022 at 12:51 AM
that status quo is my issue.. and i certainly agree that its not for me to decide what he did was right or wrong cause in that time such things did happen and its how this drama portrayed it very well (to make me rage and angry is that sign)
but i hv very little threshold to such ways of using plot for romantic purpose.. ill still have my apprehension to give it another chance now or in near future but may be in long long time when ill have nothing to watch i might try it with more open n understanding perspective.
btw thanks for sharing ur inputs... it did help me to get lil softer towards yi san and his creepy way of loving doek im...
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lynnet
January 31, 2022 at 4:13 AM
So so messy. I even felt you could feel him changing more and more as he became King. My favourite scene is the one where his Grandpa told him he would soon have to kill a lot of people or the old man's comment about the blood stained gown he would now wear. Another part is when he asks the court lady who mentored her if he should just have her against her will and "reward himself" those scenes are so telling but at the same time you can tell he loves her ,its just so warped by who he is and and the way now that he is King ,his sense of entitlement must be beyond crazy.
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18 Atlas
January 30, 2022 at 11:16 PM
I am not much fond of sageuks but this drama actually managed to hook me up untill the end. The reason why it was a success, it was a combination of casting , directing, the music department and over all production team . The competition was insane . Imagine comeback dramas of a listers like song hye kyo, jun Ji Hyun, han hyo joo, lee young ae ,yet it was red sleeve which shined the most despite the oversaturation of sageuks last year. Word of mouth regarding how well made this drama is and the disappointment from big names, ultimately made people interested in it. Throw in some epic real life love story who wouldn't love it.
When i first started watching it, there were only 2 episodes available and i thought it would be another light hearted sageuk drama (something like tale of nokdu, which i loved btw). But then i came across a thread on twitter that talked abt the real life jeongjo and uibin. Something moved inside me and i actually teared up reading how tragic their story was. I became more attached to the drama after that. And with each passing episode i kept looking for spoilers from the book and history. Never in my life i watched a drama knowing what would happen next , yet enjoyed it so much. I couldn't wait for them to deliver the angst and pain that was promised in the book.
Just like many people i do think the writer messed up a lot with the pacing and the unnecessary fillers. However the leads, and the director made up for it.
It was a new take from court ladies' perspective and showed the woes of women living in that era. Even the most powerful woman ,aka the queen dowagor felt like a caged Bird inside the palace. We are always used to seeing these goody two shoes princes in sageuks but it was refreshing to see yi san as an imperfect lover who preferred his country over the woman he loved. She wanted to live as a normal couple but he couldn't imagine that.
I can go on and on ...but let me stop. Indeed one of my all time fav dramas.
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19 SooHa
January 31, 2022 at 12:26 AM
Can't believe you made this 'chat room' to talked about TRS when it almost a month since it ended. Well, even Radio Star starts airing their episode for the TRS cast, and they made it into 2 episodes!! *not complaint at all
I always love Saeguk drama, I watched the 'typical' saeguk and also the fusion but since I watched too many fusion one I miss the 'old version' of saeguk and TRS gives me all.
I think what makes it so popular is because of the cast. They are all very talented, not only the lead, Junho and Seyong but also the supporting cast. While the romantic scene of Junho and Seyong makes my heart flutter every time *uhuk bath scene* but I find the scene between Yisan and Yeongjo always be the highlight of the drama. They are like having an intense acting battle every time they meet that makes me forgot to breath.
I also like how the show 'saying good bye to its character'. The bad guy not always bad and even I took a pity when they died, named it Head Court Lady Jo, Deokro, even I shed a tear for Princess Hwawan.
Everything is executed beautifully with love and care that makes it easy to be loved by everyone.
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20 dramalover4ever
January 31, 2022 at 1:40 AM
1. Junho
2. Junho's acting
3. The rl history
4. The tragic story of a vibrant headstrong woman who won the heart of the king.
5. The exclusivity of the King's love
6. The fate of women and how they found/find small freedoms within the narrow spaces available to them.
7. Junho's abs.
8. The appeal of historical fiction
9. The struggle for power
10. Junho
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DancingEmma
January 31, 2022 at 2:36 AM
@jorobertson: Notwithstanding my reservations about TRE,
If I may, I would like to add one more factor to your list (my stupid Ipad turned ‘list’ to ‘lust’ which on second thought was fitting😂😂:
11. Junho’s low speaking voice. Damn. (By way of contextualising, I am neither a fan of his music nor the higher register in which he mostly sings in).
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dramalover4ever
January 31, 2022 at 5:07 AM
"Lust", you say??? 👀
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
January 31, 2022 at 10:33 PM
I totally agree.
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21 hallyucinations
January 31, 2022 at 2:03 AM
I liked the way Red Sleeve portrayed heart fluttering romance with a dose of reality in it. While it had regular kdrama magic (humour, meet-cute, sexual attraction, hotness of the leads), it also did not shy away from showing the imperfections of love. We often have deep seated resentments against people whom we love deeply because most relationships demand some form of sacrifice or the other. We choose to be with them despite knowing well the sacrifices it will require. In this case, it was a king and a court lady so the sacrifices were far more apparent. Does not take away from the basic truth about human relations though. May be thats why people related to the show and it garnered the ratings it did.
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DancingEmma
January 31, 2022 at 2:28 AM
@hallyucinations - great comment. Please register and comment regularly!
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lynnet
January 31, 2022 at 4:07 AM
Great comment. I also believe love and resentment often go hand in hand.
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hallyucinations
January 31, 2022 at 8:57 PM
Thanks guys! I think this relationship between love and resentment is not exclusive to romantic relations either. In fact more often it is found in the way we associate with our parents- deep love interlaced with deep resentments. Makes me wonder if any love can be perfectly healthy. We can definitely try to keep it as healthy as possible by constantly being aware of the issues underlying it but maybe thats about it.
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lynnet
February 2, 2022 at 5:13 AM
My thoughts exactly
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June 29, 2023 at 8:32 AM
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22 lynnet
January 31, 2022 at 4:15 AM
Another aspect that I felt was really cool was the parallels between the former Kings relationship with two court ladies and the current King's relationship with Deok Im and how it showed that it never ended well for women entangled with Kings even when they really wanted to be concubines.
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23 Scottie
January 31, 2022 at 5:07 AM
I don't want to sound like a Jun-ho babe, but I do think that his performance is central to the success, plus the rest of the cast, the cinematography and the script, the poetry, attention to detail, etc.
As an actor Jun-ho has an intensity that few others have. I saw him first in Wok of love and there was nobody else stirring the wok quite like him. I thought it was brave of the director to cast him alongside Jang Hyuk, another very intense power house, but it worked well.
The beauty of TRS is that Jun-ho's fellow actors were a great match in acting capabilities, there was always a spark between them which made these mesmerizing scenes between the king and the crown prince and with Deok-im. Lee se-young shines in the drama. How she was reading the poem to the locked up crown prince is unforgettable and in my view the best scene of the whole drama.
I did not mind the power gap between king and court lady, quite the opposite. The king's arrogance, sense of entitlement and hunger for power was very appropriate - he was not a modern man and to make him into one would have been false.
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24 mujisan
January 31, 2022 at 7:46 AM
I didn't start watching when it first aired, but started after episode 12 came out with the thought that I would be caught up by the time the last episode aired. Big mistake! I was hooked from episode 1 and binged all available episodes in 2 days. The waiting for the rest of the episodes was painful but also exciting because it felt like the rest of the world was waiting for the same thing. I think The Red Sleeve is such a success because everyone that worked on that show is very good at their job. Every aspect of production is done very thoughtfully and it shows. From writing, directing, acting, props, set, costumes and everything in between, all of it was done so well. Crucially, it had a very good ending even though they had to go through the motions of portraying real (not so happy) historical events. The Red Sleeve is now my favorite sageuk and also very close to being favorite Kdrama of all time for me. I can watch it over and over again.
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25 Alluvial_Fan
January 31, 2022 at 8:21 AM
Two sageuks totally captured my heart and brain in 2021, Bossam and Red Sleeve. The former had me doing a deep dive into Korean history and the sorry fate of widows, even those who were princesses. Red Sleeve made me aware of the inner workings of the beehive that is a royal palace.
What I enjoyed most about Red Sleeve is probably not the reason for its popularity. Each female character had a well written personality, from the little band of friends and their mentor to the Queen dowager. Life in the palace was indeed very like that in a prison for the women, but some managed to cling to their dignity.
I highly recommend a website: the talking cupboard. In it I learned a great deal about palace protocols, factional strife and historical constraints due to the author's fascination with Red Sleeve Cuff. Her grand review of the drama is well worth reading.
Heck, I even started into Queen Hyegyong's Memoirs.
If anyone watched the behind-the-scenes clips of RSC it becomes very apparent that, while the actors were all top notch, the Director was THE key to making this drama come together. At first her constant laughing was annoying but soon I realized that she managed to keep the filming of a heavy story light and buoyant. It was a happy set and the production team really deserves a lot of credit.
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Fly Colours
January 31, 2022 at 9:53 PM
Wow, the talking cupboard is a great blog! I used to go there all the time to get some context when I watched my first sageuks. It didn't occur to me that they would do a write up about TRSC, but of course, it makes perfect sense. Thanks for the tip! 💚
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
January 31, 2022 at 10:31 PM
I'm so thankful to The Talking Cupboard for all the historical information it holds. I relied on it a great deal while I watched this one.
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26 sirena
January 31, 2022 at 11:30 AM
I was just telling my sister that I could never re-watch this drama because the ending killed me. I felt for Yi San and Se-young because they were two people in love who could not freely express their love because of societal expectations as well as courtly hierarchy. Also, Yi san threatening Se-young with rape made it even harder to support the "relationship." In the end, the one who suffered was Se-young because she was forced into a life that she never wanted.
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27 Tikky
January 31, 2022 at 12:05 PM
Everything just came together. The entire cast was pretty good that even the supporting characters added a lot of value, the production was top notch, and the direction brought the pieces together. Even if there were plot holes or weird story lines like the Court Lady fairy mafia, overall it's still a solid and compelling drama. History spoiled the general plot, but I was still hooked because I liked watching things unfold and the actors were enjoyable to watch.
It was always going to be a tragic love story between Yi San and Deok-im, but I think it was clever to keep aspects of their story open ended. We're still abuzz a month later aren't we? I suppose that's always the thing about epic love stories, they're imperfect and unfulfilled. I read that historically Yi San's epitaph for Ui-bin was quite sensational...
I also personally like that they've written complex characters, which the cast really pulled off. Take Yi San for example, just with his relationship with his grandfather alone he must have felt such admiration, resentment, fear, and pressure and we are shown such rich scenes between them. Yi San x Hong Deok-ro, Yi San x love for his dad, Yi San x Queen Dowager - it's exhausting to be Yi San. Even with our ambitious go-getter Hong Deok-ro, he's vile but he still remains to be a loving brother who shared good things about Deok-im to his sister.
The characters all teeter between gray areas, trying to survive without losing themselves and what they value. They are caught in desperate situations, they try to make good decisions, they make terrible tradeoffs, etc. However this how life can be (albeit not in the middle of immense palaces and powerful people) even now. :)
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28 MMkitty
January 31, 2022 at 12:23 PM
I am always a silent lurker for years.
I registered an account to discuss it, that's how much how like about this drama.
Today is the anniversary our military coup took place . Yeah it has been one year.
Admist Coup and Covid, my mind has always been in unstable condition ( lost my job, constant worry of being arrested ).
Entertainment has been a pleasant distraction from reality when you still need to lay low and have wifi in your home . ( cause Opiates will be bad for me and I can't consult psychiatrists for emotional trauma because some of my doctor friends has been taken away for being against the Coup .)
Well you can guess, I am also a doctor.
Well forget about Real life drama.
Lets talk about The Red Sleeve .
My personal fav genres include Sageuks
and I tried almost every sageuks this year .
River where the moon rises , Red sky, The King's Affection and of course, The Red sleeve.
Truth to be told, I had the least interest in Red Sleeve cause it is about Yisan ( I thought nothing could surpass my personal fav 2007 Yi San )
and the writer is the one who wrote Ruler.
And I had never watched Junho before and he is an idol.
The three sageuks I watched failed to meet my expectations for different reasons . ( Uninteresting plot, Nonsense plot and KA taking too long to conclude the finale )
I lost interest half way.
There the Red Sleeve came and I tried it out of boredom and I was pleasantly surprised.
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Personally , my fav things about RS
1. It is like a poem or painting which can be interpreted into different meanings by each viewer
2. The directing and cinematography
Director Jung Ji In name will be the one I couldn't forget for the rest of my life.
The minute details, the poetic presentation ( water ,flowers ,calligraphy, shoes ) and Rehearsals.
3. Junho's Unbelievable Acting Power
Before Junho, Yoo Ah In was my fav sageuk actor for portraying Yi Bang Won in Six flying Dragons .
Junho can portray each and every emotion of Jeongjo/YiSan's perfectly from his younger days to old age where RS version of YiSan is the more dramatic one compared to 2007 YiSan.
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MMkitty
January 31, 2022 at 7:52 PM
My take is that Red sleeve is not a romance drama , but the story telling of fated tragic union of two people who are clearly in love with each other ,yet can't embrace the whole of each other fully due to social class differences.
The Red Sleeve novel has been told from Deok Im's Point of View ,while the Drama version explores Yi San 's inner feelings more.
The Novel and Drama combination makes the story as a whole.
No wonder Koreans who know their own history well and read the Novel before , enjoyed the drama to the fullest cause the drama was presented beautifully.
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cozybooks
February 7, 2022 at 5:57 PM
YES. I was so sad when she told him to just ignore her in their next life, but it made so much sense to me since she had sacrificed so much for him during her lifetime.
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MMkitty
January 31, 2022 at 8:17 PM
Yi San's Role in Red Sleeve can be separated in Two :
One as dutiful grandson , son and groomed to become a wise and capable ruler.
The Other as a lover to his beloved Seong UiBin
San 's life has been tragic from the start , but he endured it all because
he is a dutiful and loyal offspring of the Royal Family and he does have an ambition to become a wise ruler and help his People.
But on the way to his kingship, he faced many difficulties and met a woman who is loyal to him ,may have feelings for him and cares him as a human being rather than the precious Royal heir.
Despite falling in love , San chose his life as a ruler over his lover role from the start.
That's why their love ended as the tragic one because as someone from below said, both were chained to their respective roles and his role as a King had never allowed him to love her as an equal in spite of her sacrifices.
The relationship where one needs to sacrifice more than the other, can never be healthy .
The one who needs to endure more , will have resentment towards the other half later and this is the start of the doomed relationship.
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MMkitty
January 31, 2022 at 8:58 PM
For Deok Im , I will describe her as a woman who is too intelligent for 18th century.
In Novel, she is the one who understands the burden of being a King's concubine ( depending on King's favorism, her freedom and status wont belong to her anymore but to the Royal Family , life as a mistress ) since she was young, while other court maids dream of accepting the King's Grace.
But the Fate didn't accept her will and let her meet the famous Goblin Prince, Yi San.
Before knowing him as a Crown Prince , I think she had an innocent crush on him as a loyal lecturer.
Like most of the girls her age would , she had crush on him despite knowing she couldn't marry because she is a court maid.
She was swayed after hearing his confession in Market street but contained her feelings after hearing San's will to marry a woman of noble status at Coming of Age ceremony.
It reminded her of cruel reality about their differences in status.
But San is still her master and she did need to help him when he was in danger because San's demise would mean her expulsion from the Palace, her home.
While helping him, both of their feelings were interwined and Deok Im couldn't help but fell in love with her master as a man.
As a court woman who caught the attention of a King, she faced the difficulties of both being pressured into a King's woman and being used as a leverage in terms of Court Politics.
The harder thing is her own dilemma
;her choice between her own freedom and the man she hold dearly.
Which one is more precious ? Did she love him enough to abandon her freedom ?
Later she accepted San's will because
she loved him and also her freedom has already been limited by being the court maid who received King 's favor.
I will say her becoming a concubine is half her love and half her surrender to the system.
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MMkitty
January 31, 2022 at 9:33 PM
Viewers are either frustrated by San's behaviours in later episodes or Deok Im's bitterness and cruelity towards San in final episode.
I have no problems with either.
I understand San's behaviour fully.
He is the realistic portrayal of who
a King should be in 18th Century.
Lately, dramaland portray Kings and Crown Princes as ancient Chaebols with Marshmallow hearts.
The Spouses he had before , conveniently disappear in final episodes and all we get is happy ending with Our Candy heroine.
But RS ventures into the dark sides of being a King ;his power and entitlement over people, his harem , his responsibilities.
And truth to be told, I like it because it's refreshing.
Though I still prefer the mature and thoughtful male leads over masculine ones, a king of 18th Century portrayed realistically is not that bad .
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For the Deok Im's part of refusal to say 'I love You 'to San, she might not say these words out loud ,but she did prove her love with her behaviour while San was so busy playing the King .
For the words she said on her death bed, I understand as her plea
' My king, did you not see my love !
I love you so much that I abandon myself . I love you so much that the choice is painful.
Please dont make me choose again in Next life . '
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The final conclusion is both of them are tragic in their own ways .
I hope to see Junho and Seyoung in another drama ( preferably a modern one ) where we can imagine San and Deok Im as a real couple on equal footing.
I wanna see San softly scolded by Deok Im in modern days, like Seyoung pretended to be upset with Junho in Radio Star while talking about Jang Hye Jin 's character nearly becoming JeongJo's wife because of NG.
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Atlas
January 31, 2022 at 10:51 PM
I loved your review. Btw Junho and Seyoung did say during their special dj gig that they want to work with each other again without the social class difference.
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cozybooks
February 7, 2022 at 5:59 PM
Oh my gosh I would love to see that. They were both SOOO good in their roles, I'd love to see them somewhere else too. Although, a part of me wonders if it was BECAUSE of their roles that they were so good. But not, Junho was amazing in Just Between Lovers too, so I trust his acting. Not as sure about hers, but willing to watch if it were ever to happen!
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Mikanjjj
February 2, 2022 at 12:19 PM
Yes, fully agree with your review.
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29 owl 🦉 🫰
January 31, 2022 at 2:30 PM
You can watch a fun and entertaining Red Sleeve cast chat on the recent Radio Star episode. I loved how the actors interacted and was charmed at how gracious they were. And funny too!
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30 OldLawyer
January 31, 2022 at 4:35 PM
This show became a hit became a hit because it deserved to.
First, this drama was a work of art. The cinematography, the costuming, the balance in the characters and the writing were all well done. We saw more than just the relationship between the main characters but also Deok-im’s relationship with her friends and also San’s relationship with his grandfather. Some of the best scenes involved those other relationships.
Second, I know that the story of Yi San and Deok-im has been cast as a great ‘royal romance’ and that is what many people expected out of the show but what we got was greater than just a standard romance. Great dramas show us the deeper side of the story and we got that here. I was originally upset by the seventeenth episode, but I think that I now understand why it had to be there and why the story continued so long after Deok-im’s death. Many people have noted the power imbalance between San and Deok-im but they are missing what may be the main point of the whole drama: Deok-im was not free but King Jeonjo was not free either. Chains of gold are still chains. They lived in a society where no one was really free and that was the real tragedy of their love. That they did indeed love each other is historical fact, but it was a love that was constricted and warped by their circumstances. To me this was the fundamental motif of this drama. A drama this good will pull in viewers like a magnet- and that too is why it was a hit.
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Lonestar Girl
January 31, 2022 at 4:53 PM
👉🏼 This!! “Chains of gold are still chains.”
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31 LaurenSophie
January 31, 2022 at 4:40 PM
I'm so glad I watched this one live and from the start because typically, if I find out a drama (especially a romantic drama) has a tragic ending, I won't even watch the first episode. But because I started Red Sleeve right at episode 1 when it first came out, and avoided spoilers all the way through, I watched every second (although I admit there were parts of the last episode that I didn't watch very closely because the characters' pain was my pain). And I'm here to say that as someone who tries to avoid sad endings, it was totally worth it in this case.
What made Red Sleeve special? The first two episodes--with their typical sageuk focus on childhood connections--didn't break new ground, but right away, I felt that the dialogue set this drama apart. Characters never said quite what I thought they would at any given moment, and that hooked me immediately.
By episode 3, the banter between the Crown Prince and Deok-im and their undeniable chemistry kept me eagerly anticipating each new episode. I also loved the way the female characters--especially the non-royal female characters--were fully realized. They weren't walking cliches of happy servants serving their betters and desiring nothing more; they were fully realized human beings with wants and frustrations of their own. It didn't really hit me until I started watching Red Sleeve that this is rare in sageuks. We may get strong queens or princesses, and sometimes, a quirky servant or two, but I can't think of any drama that suggested, even obliquely, that court ladies were complex human beings in their own right.
I know a lot of people hated the whole Fairy Palace thing, but I thought it was inspired. Ridiculous, yes, but still---it's not at all what I expected and I appreciated that.
The acting was exemplary across the board. I've liked Junho in other roles, but this one was my favorite because he wasn't afraid to embrace San's darker, less desirable qualities--something a lot of actors are loath to do when playing a leading romantic role. San was a jerk sometimes in keeping with his insulated and privileged background; it still breaks my heart to remember him telling Deok-im he had simply never imagined and could not imagine living life with her as regular people.
Lee Se-young did an excellent job as well showing every moment that led Deok-im from being a spunky, confident young woman to a jaded concubine who loved and loathed the King in equal measure. The emphasis on female agency throughout also made this a refreshing watch.
I can't say I'm brave enough yet to re-watch Red Sleeve all the way through. The hopelessness of Deok-im and San ever being able to love each other as equals is painful to realize over and over again. However, for now at least, Red Sleeve exists next to Seven Days Queen as my all-time favorite sageuk. That said, I would love it if another great one that captivates me as much as those two did would come along soon.
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32 Lonestar Girl
January 31, 2022 at 4:50 PM
I started watching from the beginning because I’m a fan of Juhno. I like the intensity he brings to acting and he’s a cat lover. That’s a win-win for me. It’s hard to put my finger on what made TRS so special but I would say the acting, directing, setting and musical score. ALL the actors brought their A-game to this drama. I think the fact that the director was female made a difference, especially regarding the friendship of the court ladies and their bond. I like the sensibility of this director. I have commented on this before in earlier posts but the drama had a feeling of elegance. The cinematography, the musical score. IMO the musical score of many dramas just doesn’t fit the story. It’s almost a distraction. But as much as I loved this drama, I could have done without Ep 17. It was just too much sadness for me. I know the real life story did not have a happy ending, but I would have preferred to be left with the image of the happy smiling Jeongjo and Uibin, or as I prefer to think of them, Yi San and Deok Im-ah.
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33 Erica
January 31, 2022 at 10:16 PM
I had the least interest in The Red Sleeve during the promotion stage but grew to love it.
I disagree it’s due to fandom of Junho. If that were the case, it would have garnered high ratings on its premier. Instead it had a modest initial rating and steadily increased through positive buzz and word of mouth.
So why exactly? I can only speak for myself:
#1 I was tired of fusion sageuk with modern sensibilities. I was hankering after a more “classic” historical rooted in real history. The criticism I hear some have on TRS - the king is not politically correct and hand grabs the FL - is exactly why I loved it. I don’t mean the literal hand grab. I mean I signed up to watch historical. I don’t want a male lead acting like a 21st century male. Go watch a romcom or fake (aka fusion) historical if you want the male lead acting by modern standards. As for me, I wanted some level of authenticity, it felt like a breath of fresh air to me.
2. Junho - but let me clarify. It was not the blind hero worship of an adoring Junho fan. In fact, I didn’t use to like Junho. I didn’t enjoy Just Between Lovers and I thought the antics of Good Manager were repetitive. So it was a bit grudgingly I tried TRS. And the more I watched, the more I realized a thespian is at work. From his impeccable diction, to his persona that made you think you were transported in Joseon era vs an idol play-acting in a costume. And if I recall correctly, that was the first buzz - not that anything Junho is in should be good, but more like - hey guys - you should check this out - Junho is killing it.
3. The bittersweet love story. But again, it is not modern century love story. It was love, but there was first and foremost duty. To a sage king, it would always come first. We were shown happy frolicking days of court ladies. But we know it’s an illusion. Uibin was fiercely independent, but she was ultimately powerless. It does not make it less than love because there was an imbalance of power. But it made it bittersweet. And to those who love angsty love stories, I lapped it up!
4. The lyrical poetic quality of seemingly mundane things. The symbolisms. I noticed this as early as ep 1 or 2. When Uibin went to get fresh ink for the king. The attention to details. The flow of the camera works.
Typically we get 2 types of drama - one with manic frantic energy bombarding us with one trope after the other. The other is a super slow drama- where the camera freezes endlessly for many many seconds with annoying flashbacks. This is neither. It’s special. The everyday things are intentional. We connect the seemingly random scenes- like the poems they read to each other- with symbolisms of what was to come. Lovely. Lovely.
5. The acting. I talked of Junho so let’s talk of Lee Se Young. At first, I wasn’t too impressed with her version of youthful exuberance. But she grew up and she embodied the beautiful fiercely independent Uibin. She became equal to Junho...
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Erica
January 31, 2022 at 10:21 PM
Continuation…
… A drama would always be dragged down if your screen partner is not up to par. (Hence my exasperation when a “raw” idol is paired with seasoned actress - it does not work).
Beyond Lee Se Young - almost all supporting cast were standouts. The Queen, the king mother, the grandpa king, the court ladies.
5. The OST - I’m glad it mostly employed more traditional music. And almost all with Korean lyrics. Nothing rudely transports me to 21st century than hearing a BTS member croon in English lyrics.
6. The competition. Is TRS the best historical out there? Not by a long shot. It pales in comparison to Dae Jang Geum. But we are in 2021. The competition was farcical comedy (Mr Queen. While many loved this, no one would deny it’s not a classical sageuk), mythical nonsense (LRS), strong in child cast but didn’t quite sustain with adult cast (TKA) despite faultless Park Eun Bin.
So maybe the “luck” factor was at play. It was screened at the right time.
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34 Erica
January 31, 2022 at 11:30 PM
May I just give some compliments to DB staff?
A while back, i gave some observations - fully resigned nothing would come out of it.
One of which is the miss on recapping worthy dramas like The Red Sleeve.
I didn’t expect any action. Or maybe a smug righteous explanation or justification defending the decision to skip this drama.
To see this sentence “ we’re also sad about missing the boat on this drama.” is a rare humility I see in editorial teams. I’m very touched that you listen and care for your readers.
More power!
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35 flatwhite
February 1, 2022 at 4:54 AM
lee san was not different from other sageuks's male leads.
it was duk im who made me stay with the drama until the end.
acting wise, everyone did a marvellous job.
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36 immawish
February 1, 2022 at 5:13 AM
Personally, I think there's something so beautiful in sageuk production from the customary, the outfits, the way they talk (not the literal korean but their choices of words even when it is translated to english, by this i mean the way they talk sort of in code). And I think the red sleeve was able to capture all of that on top of actually having a fresh story. Sad love sageuk love story is definitely far from fresh, but the court lady perspective is definitely new. And surprisingly, they kept the story's pace, momentum, and portion (ie between the comedy, romance, and palace politics) really well up until the end.
The other part that's very specific with The Red Sleeve I think their way to capture melo-romance not only by dialogues but with the close up shots that tells more story than dialogues can do. I think that was in courtesy of the production team as well as both Lee Junho and Lee Seyoung.
And finally, of course it's Junho and Seyoung's chemistry that's just so over the roof I can't even believe myself when I realize that there was BARELY any romantic physical advancement until the forced kiss AND the fateful first night. Their chemistry were so magical that I do think 50% of the reason is really THEM.
And with sageuk honestly, ensemble cast that each would actually serves purpose and actually form friendship/relationship with the main leads is never a miss (Mr. Queen, Moon that Embraces the sun, My Country? sort of?)
Ps. I really don't know why The Red Sleeve reminded me SO MUCH of Moon that Embraces the Sun. I think if Moon that Embraces the sun were a 2020ish sageuk, it would be made this way.
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37 SolitaryDream1103
February 1, 2022 at 10:22 AM
The Red Sleeve for me is the historical drama of 2021, and maybe the best of 2021. I do love historical pieces, and many Koreans enjoy those as well, but there are already so many sageuks filmed, and many historical plots exploited, so it's hard to film anything refreshing. Yes, TRS has obvious tropes of classic sageuk, which is politics, palace drama and so on, but that's because you can't stir much off history and avoid filming about those issues.
What made TRS such a big hit for me?
1. It was very feministic show for sageuk. The whole character of Deok-Im was very refreshing to watch, how she loved herself, her life, her friends instead of going all-it for love. The biggest conflict preventing our main couple to be together was inner issues, rather than external ones, as most of the plots exploit. All women are portrayed extremely well, from Deok-Im's friends, Empress, Court Lady Jo, and so many more. Instead of just being evil for no obvious reasons, we understood their reasons, and all of them suffered from living in society dominated by men.
2. Exceptional cinematogrophy and directing. We can't argue that the show is an eye-candy to watch, from those sceneries, costumes, OSTs and general atmosphere. It's extremely well-shot.
3. We didn't have Second Lead trope, and what we had was rather interesting then just love triangle. Hong Deok-Ro was not interested in Deok-Im but fighting for Yi San's affections (I genuinely think that Deok-Ro really had very deep affections for Yi San, and it was important for him to be his closest person), Empress having deep affections for Deok-Im and fighting over her with Yi San. I really loved that.
3. Everything in the plot seemed logical for me, and nothing out of place. Many people criticized Court Lady Jo's trope and treason sage, but I liked it. They also didn't make it too long, so no complaints from me.
4. Main love story is epic. Yi San was not perfect, it was a society dominated by man, and he was a Crown Prince, a King, people were obeying him since childhood, but what's important, TRS showed us that some of his behaviors was wrong. Like first-kiss scene is disturbing, and TRS made it that way. How he thought that maybe he should force Deok-Im in the relationship, but chose not to, until Empress said that she would rather destroy her. Yi San always stayed true to himself: perfectionist, controlling, cunning at times, thinking about his country first, but also loving that one woman. And I'd like to think that when Deok-Im chose to stay with him, it was her choice where she understood all things she would be losing, but she wanted his love anyway.
5. We didn't have a dedicated villain. I say, palace was a villain, everybody suffered there.
6. Cast: many things being said about Lee Junho and Se-Young, and I can only second that. Amazing actors, amazing chemistry, but all supporting characters did so well.
Overall, it was epic love story, which we all do...
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MMkitty
February 1, 2022 at 3:31 PM
As I also watched a lot of chinese historical dramas , I understand how scary the palace is and it was suffocating for the women to live there.
In Qing dynasty, the Forbidden Palace was said to be the Place ;women could get in,but none could get out of it alive.
Women who desired power might be happy there, but a woman like Deok Im,there was no way she would be happy and felt like a caged bird.
But I agree, she still chose this willingly because of her love for Yisan
( well, it is a main factor ).
Watching chinese dramas and their emperors' harems makes me believe most of these women are not happy and Palace is like a prison to them.
Red sleeve is the first korean drama that makes me feel like that in my 20 + years of K drama watching.
In these eras and centuries,when women were treated as political leverages and with arranged marriages to Royal family to create political connection , the hairpins they wear would be heavier than the stone. ( Well said , QD ). Well said !
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SolitaryDream1103
February 1, 2022 at 6:48 PM
Thank you. I agree with you, and I enjoy watchinese Chinese historical as well (while it explores many classical tropes, they are definitely darker than SK ones).
I also enjoyed that Deok-Im understood Yi San well, his choices and what he had to do as a King. For example, while I enjoyed watching Scarlet Heart Ryeo and it was a good show on so many levels, but I felt that He Soo never understood Wang So truly, especially when he became an Emperor. She loved some parts of him but when it came to tough choices, she never tried to truly understand him. For Deok-Im in TRS, that's what made their first night, her holding to Yi San hand so special. She understood his burden, she understood that he can never be truly hers, she loved her life, but made this choice. I liked monologue earlier in the episodes when she said that it's better to stay as she is, never too far from him, but not too close. When she had to make a decision, she chose to stay close rather than not seeing him again. That is not ideal, maybe some women wouldn't make that choice, but this is love in it's purest form.
Deok-Im understood him when he had to kill her friend because country has laws (hello, Scarlet heart Ryeo :)), she understood when he had to go to Queen's palace when he knew she was pregnant. She even understood him when he treated her harshly when their son died, even if it's hurts as hell. So Deok-Im accepted Yi San fully for who he was and loved him as a whole, not some pieces of him, and that is for me epic love story.
Sorry, I had to rant because it's been a month and I still can't get over it :)
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Erica
February 1, 2022 at 4:13 PM
Hear hear. Both well said.
I think some international viewers were expecting to see modern sensibilities and modern way of thinking/ logic - just in historical costume - and got stuck there. Probably they were conditioned by recent historicals that were fantasy, overly fusion or sourced from webtoon materials (you know, the quick payoff types).
But thankfully, many international viewers - like the domestic audience - saw how special it is.
I agree the conflict is internal and how the Palace is really a prison - for concubines, for court ladies, even for royals. No Korean drama in recent memory quite depicted this - especially romance centric historical - but TRS poignantly captures.
I also agree it is one of the best of 2021 - and I predict it will get recognition/nomination in spades - from credible award giving bodies. It will be richly deserved.
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SolitaryDream1103
February 1, 2022 at 7:04 PM
I read some reviews, that some people were criticizing because Deok-Im seemed very modern character, but Yi San wasn't. So it's like a disparity when you make one character being like she would fit well in today's society, and one person that is truly embodiment of 18th century. It maybe some valuable criticisms, but I feel that writers tried the best they could as they sticked to the novel, and to historic facts (where we don't have much accounts regarding Uibin, but the fact that she rejected Jeongjo 2 times which was unspeakable of at the times), while there are so many accounts to dig in when it comes to Jeongjo.
I like that in TRS they didn't try to glorify Yi San's toxic behaviors like many older Kdramas, it was shown fully that it's wrong and disturbing, but still there were some good traits about him where he waited for 15 years and wanted Deok-Im to become his by her own will.
I hope TRS will receive Baeksang, competition is very fierce in 2021, though, but this drama needs to be recognized even more.
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MMkitty
February 1, 2022 at 8:14 PM
I don't know what was the reasons for Real Seong Ui Bin's rejections of King Jeongjo though.
A mere court lady rejecting King for 2 times was not a simple matter for that time.
As described in Princess's Man,King's Affection or King Taejong's records,even rejections of marriages arranged by the Kings themselves could be considered as traitorous acts and punished at least with Exile,even if they were the infamous noble family members.
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Atlas
February 4, 2022 at 9:52 PM
If i am not wrong ,the first rejection was because deok im was friends with San's wife. So when San was still a crown prince and asked her out for the first time(she was the only woman in whom he was interested) , she cried and begged that she can't accept it as her friend the crown princess still hasn't given him a heir.
However there are no records as to why the 2nd rejection happened. Like you said it was very daring from Uibin's side to reject the 2nd most powerful man in the country. However, if you read more abt how he treated Deok im later on , you will know that she has always been an exception and special person to him.
Ofcourse we don't know what his real feelings were. But my simple guess is that , he knew being a court lady , she was his property and would spend the rest of her life within the palace. I guess he loved her so much or probably too busy with his own royal issues, that he didn't mind to wait for her all those years.
38 FormAnOrderlyQueue
February 1, 2022 at 4:13 PM
Another thought - the Behind the Scenes material. It was full, it was released quickly, it was often hilarious, it showcased the chemistry of the full cast. It became an event in itself. With an ongoing diet of RSC between the episodes, it kept the momentum going. I think it actually can have quite a significant impact on the reception of a drama.
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39 Mikanjjj
February 2, 2022 at 12:18 PM
I happened to accidentally see the teaser a day before it started airing. The teaser really attracted me to it. I had known both Lee Se Young and Lee Jun Ho but had never really paid a lot of attention. The scenes from the 1st 2 episodes got me hooked. Their expressions, the OST, the background, costumes and it all just felt great. Im so glad I discovered it from the beginning. I don’t usually like watching a drama while it’s airing but I really enjoyed this one. Watching YouTube for TRS crumbs, chasing hashtags on Twitter and Instagram, watching 2pm content, trying to find Lee Se Young’s content with Eng subs, watching TRS BTS on repeat and finally reading the history about Yi San and Deokim from a 2PM fan blogger named JLML718.
In fact reading her blogs and Instagram posts made it easier for me to understand Yi San and Deokim better. I started looking at things in a different way.
I’m already having withdrawal symptoms.
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40 Kairoskat 💐
February 2, 2022 at 2:33 PM
It was popular, so people will look into LSY's filmography and watch KAIROS 😎.
Fyi, KAIROS cinematographor was also TRS cinematographer too. Watch KAIROS, underated gem.
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41 Irene Ng
February 3, 2022 at 12:02 PM
It is a hit because it has romance coupled with sacrificial love. Unlike others, it illustrates the irony of court lady and the king due to the status which is prevalent in Joseon period. Love and responsibility and obligation to uphold usually result to one to make a choice against their own will and lost of love ones.
The drama adapted and directed awesomely well and focus on facts as well details that make heart fluttered and can relate to the era background and empathise with the characters. Kudos to the director and the cast...Enjoy the drama very much
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42 Tintel
February 4, 2022 at 11:14 AM
Got on this boat around E4 and initially stayed for the grand reveal that library guy was actually the Crown Prince. The turned out to be satisfying, so I stayed on and before I knew it I was hooked. Se-young was as usual fantastic but IMHO it was Jun-ho and Kang Hoon that carried this drama.
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43 vlinder
February 5, 2022 at 2:28 AM
Speaking for myself. What drew me in is the amazing chemistry between the leads. I especially enjoyed Junho's portrayal of Yi San. I loved the emotion and vulnerability he showed. His longing to be with Deok-Im was so visible and it hit all the feels in the right way. His struggle with his longing for her and respecting her by not abusing his power (even though it was frustrating him) was wonderful to watch. I loved the portrayal of Deok-Im too. Struggling with her feelings for Yi San, the off-putting environment of the court, and her own ambitions and longing to have a peaceful life. For me, this is what drew me in and kept me watching.
What was off-putting were some elements I thought to be too fantastic: the tiger scene, the secret society of court ladies, and other parts of the plot. What kept me from not leaving the drama was the dynamics I mentioned above.
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cozybooks
February 7, 2022 at 6:02 PM
Yes. I too felt Yi San's desire to be with her but not to abuse his power, but also that he wasn't a perfect man (there were scenes when he DID end up abusing his power, and he wasn't even apologetic for it... he just realized it was the weight he had to bear as king). And I loved that as a part of the drama- she loved him in part BECAUSE he realized so well what it meant to be king. And because he was king, she also realized what she did and didn't want. And that was hard for them both. I loved the portrayal of how lonely Yi San was as king, but how determined he was to be a good one.
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lynnet
February 10, 2022 at 9:41 AM
So true
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44 Herr
March 10, 2022 at 11:49 PM
Junho, definitely.
He was a revelation in this role. I'd never even heard of him before when I saw koreans buzzing about him in this role and gave it a shot. Suffice it to say, I was completely blown away.
The complicated tragic story of Yisan and Dukim was obviously a big draw, but San's relationship with his grandfather stole the show tbh. The confrontation between them before San was handed over the throne was one of the best acting I've seen out of korean ent. Although I expected to be more taken in by the court ladies stories, since they're usually more up my alley, I found myself drawn to the royal family intrigue instead. Junho and the LDH were the true gems of this drama.
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45 Justme21
March 13, 2022 at 11:07 PM
Junho. Smolder. Swoon. Period.
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46 noor
November 22, 2023 at 3:47 PM
Well, its the first and last sageuk I'll watch. It is a classic, well-made, well-performed melodrama with well-sketched out characters, and even though it's tragic throughout, I did not mind the tears. The attention to detail and tragic-comic aspects in showing lives of court ladies, court politics, the grandfather/King's dementia, the longing of the ML (CP, later King) for this 'lowly' woman (who would've been otherwise forgettable in a sea of 700 available women and girls, and noble consorts), and the FL's resolution to 'stay in her place' and have a bit of freedom (especially since she could never be equal to the CP/King), all made sense.
It made for a great drama, tears and joy and fear. Everyone and everything (including that CGI tiger) made sense.
BUT I do think drama went overboard in showing FL as a 'Raise the Red Lantern' kind of tragic figure trapped in a patriarchal palatial system in Ep.16-17, when life as a court lady was a daily life and death experience, and as a consort longed and loved by the devoted King, she could've done anything with her time (reading, transcribing books, calligraphy, instead of just waiting for King to arrive and used for sex and pregnancy only). Since the retelling of true story is fictionalized, I think it would've been better if FL retained her sense of fun even as a consort! She was even guarded in her choice of words to the King as a consort!
Not everything had to be so morbid, dire and hopeless. But whatever it was, as painful as it was, it was great to watch it.
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