The King: Eternal Monarch: Episode 4
by quirkycase
Our leading man’s sudden disappearance leaves our heroine confused. She can’t get the mysterious man and his absurd claims off her mind, so she goes in search of answers. But the closer she gets to the truth, the harder it is to accept. Meanwhile, our hero deals with the mess he left behind at the palace, even while his mind is still on the world he left behind.
EPISODE 4
On the shores of Busan, Rim witnesses time pause. In the republic, Na-ri makes Eun-seob an ice latte, but he drops it and bafflingly yelps, “Hot!” Simultaneously, Yeong drops a hot cup of coffee in the kingdom.
Yeong is notified that Seo-ryung has landed at the helipad unannounced. Through his earpiece, he’s then told that Gon has returned. Meanwhile, in the republic, Tae-eul walks lost in thought about her encounters with Gon.
She distracts herself by working on the Lee Sang-do murder case. In flashback, Gon asks her why she became a cop. He’s curious about people’s aspirations since he was born into his position. Tae-eul explains that when she was little, she watched cop shows rather than fairy tales. Gon points out that it’s a dangerous job, but that’s why she wanted to do it. Not everyone can be brave.
Gon told her she was cool, after which she asked what kind of king he was. He described himself as a rower, a mathematician, an orphan who grew up well and the owner of the Four Tiger Sword. It was a question he’d never been asked and felt anxious answering.
In the kingdom, Seo-ryung arrives at the palace and puts the staff in a difficult position. Seo-ryung tells Ok-nam she’s there to report to Gon, but Ok-nam reprimands her for barging in. Unless it’s a national emergency, written reports are the agreement.
Seo-ryung fires back that Gon is missing. Doesn’t that count as a national emergency? Ok-nam claims he went to bed after studying, but Seo-ryung isn’t buying it. She instructs Ok-nam to inform Gon she’ll be waiting in his study.
Ok-nam refuses to move and let her in, so Seo-ryung physically moves her, claiming only Gon has the authority to stop her. She flings open the study door to reveal Gon and Yeong. Ok-nam quickly covers her surprise and gives him an amazing “we’ll talk later” look before exiting.
Gon explains to Seo-ryung that he has been attempting to solve a mathematical puzzle. He apologizes for worrying her. She asks if he solved it. He did and his answer was zero. Seo-ryung is jealous he solved his problem since her own conclusion was incorrect.
Seo-ryung observes that he looks awfully tan considering he’s been holed up in his study. She admits she only came to check whether he was missing and steps closer to say he’s indebted to her now. She challenges him to solve this problem too.
Gon asserts that he’s the king, and his existence is the history of the country. He won’t ever be indebted to her. “Let’s wait and see how my absence will be recorded in history.” Seo-ryung leaves without a word.
Next in is Ok-nam, and she is not happy. She orders Yeong out, but Gon insists he stay and protect him. Ha. Gon hugs her and says he missed her, but she smacks him like an angry grandma. He apologizes and promises he’ll try not to worry her next time it happens.
Ok-nam dramatically asks how he’ll make it to her funeral if he’s so far away next time. After moaning about how much trouble he created, she spots his destroyed coat and is appalled Gon sold the buttons and spent all the cash. Gon pacifies Ok-nam, promising to help her handle things. As they leave, he notes Yeong’s suspicious silence and tattles to Ok-nam when Yeong glares at him. Pfft.
Prince Bu-yeong is notified that his security level will return to normal, making him realize Gon is back. Elsewhere, Ok-nam goes through Gon’s coat pockets and finds random things from the parallel world, including the book of poems and a stuffed lion keychain.
In the republic, Tae-eul and her sidekick Shin-jae ambush Moon-shik with her theory of Kim Bok-man not being the murderer. Shin-jae suggests they leave it at the gambling charge for now, and Tae-eul requests two weeks since the burner phone will be restored by then. Out of pure frustration, Moon-shik grants them two weeks to find evidence.
In the kingdom, Gon tells Ok-nam he wants the book from his coat pocket in his bedroom and the rest of the items in the study. She ignores him and informs him of the passing of his army superior’s father and suggests he attend the funeral. It’ll quell the rumors of him being ill.
Gon is relieved he came back on time, but Ok-nam snaps that he should’ve said where he was going in the first place. Uh, should they be having this conversation in front of those attendants?
Gon pays his respects at the funeral and catches up with the deceased’s son. Their relationship seems close and friendly. On the way back, Gon has a flashback of his uncle choking him and has to loosen his collar as he breathes heavily.
In the republic, Tae-eul and Shin-jae assist with a robbery investigation and help arrest the culprit. While they’re out, Shin-jae runs into a woman who asks him if he’s still having nightmares. Shin-jae hesitates but thinks of Tae-eul and replies he’s having good dreams too lately. She tells him to come see her again if his self-medicating with sweets doesn’t work.
Tae-eul was watching from a distance and bounces over once the woman leaves. She wonders who the woman could be, teasing that Shin-jae never talks to women unless it’s for work. He changes the subject to Gon and wonders if his horse is still at her place. Did Gon steal anything from her? She sighs that he left.
In the car, Gon asks if Yeong is going to keep giving him the silent treatment. Yeong holds out his hand and demands Gon’s phone so he can install a tracking app. Gon hands it over and nerds out about the development of GPS systems while Yeong sets up his account.
Seo-ryung holds a meeting with her Cabinet and is just about as pleasant as you’d expect when they don’t provide the results she wants. As she’s recovering from her disappointing meeting, her assistant bursts in to show her a video of Assemblyman Park – the one who accused her of sitting around doing her makeup – dissing her at a university event. This time he’s claiming she had a nose job.
She has dirt prepared and instructs her assistant to send scandalous photos of the assemblyman with a woman to the press. When he asks how she got the photos, Seo-ryung wonders how his dream can be to go into politics if he’s surprised by this kind of thing. He assures her he’ll send them right away.
After meeting with a man I’m assuming is an advisor of some kind, Seo-ryung goes out to meet Prince Bu-yeong. She tries to get information out of him about Gon, but he keeps quiet. She doesn’t buy the explanation that Gon locks himself away because math, especially since Prince Bu-yeong’s security increases every time it happens.
She pokes at him by asking if he doesn’t find his life unfair. He’s not allowed to be involved in politics or hold a high position. Plus, his kids and grandkids are forced to live abroad. Prince Bu-yeong calmly asserts he’s never felt that way. He brings up her average background and muses that class disparity is unlikely to disappear.
He wants her to get to the point; their meeting could spark controversy. That’s her intention. She shows him news on Assemblyman Park’s sex scandal that got him ousted from the party. Seo-ryung hopes people will assume she has Prince Bu-yeong’s backing now that they’ve been seen together.
Later, Gon pays Prince Bu-yeong a surprise visit at his office. Prince Bu-yeong asks about his trip which Gon says was his most exciting one yet. Gon isn’t keen on Prince Bu-yeong’s suggestion that he get married and carry on his line and jokes that he sounds like he’s from Joseon.
Looking at Prince Bu-yeong’s family photo, Gon reminisces that his favorite photo is of him holding hands with Prince Bu-yeong and Ok-nam on a school field trip. Rim’s bloody attempted coup put Gon on the throne, and now Prince Bu-yeong’s family has to live abroad. “Is my father’s cousin on my side or not?”
Prince Bu-yeong claims he’s being ridiculous. Should he kill his own children to prove his loyalty? He already had them live abroad and forbade them from returning. Prince Bu-yeong thinks he’s being swayed by rumors, but Gon assures him that’s not the case. He does feel the prince is hiding something from him.
Gon trusts and admires him, so he asks him not to hide anything. He leaves an envelope containing a problem he can’t solve. Prince Bu-yeong opens it to find Lee Rim’s autopsy report.
Outside, Gon wonders if the library is in the same place here. They make a trip there, and Gon sits lonely in the cleared-out library. In its counterpart, Tae-eul reads about parallel universes. We flash between them, and the images of their worlds merge as they sit across from each other, her side full of people while his is empty.
In the republic, Shin-jae’s mother MIN HWA-YEON (Hwang Young-hee) comes home with a purse full of cash he wrestles away from her. She promises it’s the last time, but it’s obvious they’ve been here before. Shin-jae makes her give up the gambling house’s info and has Jangmi meet them there.
While Jangmi takes photos of the gamblers, Shin-jae runs into that same gang leader who fought with him and Tae-eul. Looks like he’s running this place. Shin-jae vows to put him away, but the boss reminds him that his mom should suffer the consequences, too.
Shin-jae dumps the cash his mother won at the boss’s feet, declaring that he’d be a joke of a police officer if he accepted this money. He begs his mother to come to her senses, but Hwa-yeon can’t see past the cash she just lost.
Police arrive and Shin-jae instructs them to arrest everyone there. Jangmi stays behind to help, but Shin-jae walks out. Outside, he fights tears as his mother pleads with the cops to let her go and yells for Shin-jae.
Beside her car, Tae-eul pauses and stares at her stuffed lion keychain – it matches Gon’s – when a bicycle clips her, sending her ID badge flying down a sewer grate. The kid comes over to apologize and offers to fish it out. Hey, isn’t that yo-yo boy?
Tae-eul muses that it’s gone now: her performance assessment, her promotion … she gives a slightly crazed laugh and smile-grimaces as she assures him with false pep, “It’s okay.” Ha. She gets a call from Kyung-ran that sends her to the station.
Kyung-ran urgently asks where she got the money. She’s spooked as she holds a bill from Gon’s wallet (with his face on it) and shares that all evidence points to it being real currency printed by a bank.
In the bookshop, Rim receives another secret note stating Gon has returned. He connects the time pauses with Gon’s departure and subsequent return, realizing his nephew has finally discovered the “legend.”
Gon makes a trip back to the room where his father was slain. It’s overgrown with vines and covered in dust. He pulls the Four Tiger Sword from its case and unsheathes it. In a flashback, his father explains the “calling” of the legendary sword meant to be wielded thoughtfully and defeat evil.
Only the king can own it, and he asks if Gon can abide by this calling. He immediately responds he can but takes it back when his father tests his mettle by asking what if he had to eat beans and spinach. The king laughs. In the present, Gon places the sword in a case in his bedroom.
In the republic, Tae-eul goes searching for clues to Gon’s whereabouts in the bamboo forest – he was caught heading there on CCTV – but there’s no trace of him. Gon, meanwhile, stares at Tae-eul’s ID but swiftly returns it to his pocket when Yeong comes up and berates him for upsetting Ok-nam again.
Time slows and pauses. Gon counts the seconds and informs Yeong, once it restarts, that it’s the second time that time has stopped. Yeong sighs and asks where Gon went. Gon honestly replies he was in a parallel universe where their country is called the Republic of Korea. Yeong repeats it back dubiously and shakes his head. He’ll call for a doctor. Gon goes chasing after him when Yeong yells for Ok-nam.
In the republic, Kyung-moo’s alternate drives Rim around and asks about the other world. He knows about his alternate and asks for equal treatment from Rim when it’s all over. Rim shares that Kyung-moo owns a bookshop and passes along a book Kyung-moo wanted him to have.
Rim visits Jeong-hye and mentions her frequent visits to her son’s grave before telling her she’ll have to eat alone tonight. She pitches a cleaning rag at his back and angrily asks why he never ages. He ignores her and walks out. Her sobs can be heard outside her apartment.
Rim enters the apartment opposite hers, which he’s turned into a photo development space. He stares at a freshly developed photo of Prince Bu-yeong as menacing music plays.
In the kingdom, Gon sits at his desk and stares at the favorite photo he previously mentioned. He asks if he got any phone calls, but he didn’t. Per Ok-nam’s request, Yeong stands guard inside and more guards stand outside the window in case Gon tries to escape.
Meanwhile, Tae-eul gets her ID reissued and asks when it’ll be ready. They tell her it’ll take a week, so late October. Thinking of Gon’s claim that her ID issue date was November 11, she breathes a sigh of relief. On her walk home, she passes the spot they were in when Gon claimed time stopped. She wonders what “beautiful thing” he saw.
Back in the kingdom, Secretary Mo informs Gon that Seo-ryung won the battle about the assembly members’ pay raise. She brings up Seo-ryung’s flirting and worries Gon could fall prey to her beauty. Gon tells her not to worry; he knows someone way prettier. Secretary Mo nervously smiles and throws a WTF look over her shoulder at Yeong.
A crack of thunder sounds, and Gon grabs his shoulder in pain. He sends Secretary Mo out with strict orders to keep this from Ok-nam and gets Yeong to check his shoulder. Yeong thinks he’s messing around, but he sees the mark on Gon’s skin when the next round of thunder hits. When Yeong runs for the doctor, Gon makes a break for it.
In the republic, Tae-eul gets the restored information from the burner phone. She listens to the voice memos, but oddly enough, they’re news clip recordings about some health training initiative in Thailand. The business head mentioned is none other than Professor Lee Jong-in (aka Prince Bu-yeong). Hmm…
Shin-jae startles her out of her reverie when he drops her new ID on her desk. Her nags her for losing her ID and being without one for so long. She counters that she meant to pick up earlier, but he notes that it was only issued today. Tae-eul flips it over and stares at the date in shock: November 11, 2019.
Tae-eul sits dazed until her phone rings. She gets her second shock of the evening when she hears Gon’s voice on the other end. She slams the phone back on the receiver, but he calls right back. Shaken, she hangs up a second time and rushes out.
When she gets home, Gon is waiting (with Maximus, of course) in her yard. After some slow-mo walking, she asks where he was. They do the familiar song and dance with her accusing him of lying when he mentions the parallel world. Why did he come back? Gon replies he had money to repay, a chicken stamp card to fill and he wanted to know how she was.
She stares at him silently. Now that he has returned the money and seen Tae-eul, he says he should go. She asks if he genuinely has a house to which he replies he has a huge one. Tae-eul asks a final question: was her hair up or down in the ID photo of hers he has?
Gon suddenly realizes what day it is. “That’s why it was today,” he muses. Tae-eul repeats the question, demanding and yet fearing his response. Without hesitation, he says her hair was up and walks over to pull her hair back in demonstration.
Tae-eul doesn’t meet his eyes as she asks what about her clothes? Was she in uniform? Gon claims it was a navy suit jacket. Tae-eul shakily breathes out, “There’s no way.” Gon offers her the chance to come with him and see for herself. “Let’s go to my world.”
She says he’s dead if he’s lying to her. Gon takes her hand and hoists her onto Maximus before hopping up behind her. They ride into the bamboo forest. Tae-eul derides herself for crazily believing him, but he smiles and tells her not to be startled.
Gon urges Maximus forward, and Tae-eul sees the gate. She squeezes her eyes shut as they leap through to the other side. Yeong comes running up with the guards, and his eyes widen when he sees Tae-eul. Gon orders the guards back since Tae-eul is in a state of shock.
She stares at Yeong and wonders is he … ? Gon responds that he’s Eun-seob in her world. “See, I was right, wasn’t I?” She turns to look at him anew. “I’m the king of the Kingdom of Corea, and my name, that can’t be called, is Lee Gon.”
COMMENTS
Okay, now I feel like we’re getting somewhere with Gon bringing Tae-eul to his world. With them both on the same page, I’m curious to see what this does for their relationship dynamic. The whole “I’m from a parallel universe,” met by, “No, you’re not” was getting old. This will shake things up and allow them to get to know each other better without the distrust hanging between them. Being in this world has the potential for more character growth too, I think. Gon is much more human when he’s around Ok-nam and Yeong, and we’ll finally get to see Tae-eul outside of her cop element. Plotwise, it’ll be helpful for Gon to have an ally in the other world who’s in the know since we already know Rim has established a base in both worlds. Now Tae-eul and Gon can work together to foil Rim’s evil schemes and whatnot.
I’ve been trying to put my finger on why things are feeling somewhat disjointed for me, and I think it’s that there isn’t much to grab onto. Information is doled out in tidbits, and it’s hard to even know what’s relevant and why. I wish we’d focused more on plot in the early episodes and developed the relationship between Gon and Tae-eul more slowly. Putting the focus on the relationship at the start has made it feel rushed and hard to connect to, and we haven’t gotten enough on the plot front to grab onto that instead. Of course, the editing is also playing a part. It’s hard to keep everything straight when we’re constantly flipping back and forth between the worlds and having to keep track of a plethora of characters, some of whom look the same, in both. I seriously wish the worlds had some visibly distinguishing features.
It looks like that murder case we’ve been focusing on is linked to the main plot, although it’s anyone’s guess as to how at this point. But it can’t be a coincidence that Prince Bu-yeong was mentioned on that recording on Lee Sang-do’s phone. Another seemingly minor thing that looks like it’ll become relevant: yo-yo boy. Clearly, he’s important somehow since we’ve seen him in both the kingdom and the republic. Is it the same kid or his alternate? I wonder if he’s part of Rim’s network somehow or if he’s linked in some other way. Rim has been hiding in the shadows being shifty for decades now, and we only know vaguely of his movements, but he’s obviously been watching things closely in both worlds. Most things are probably linked to him.
Now that we know Rim has eyes in the palace, I keep looking at everyone wondering who’s on his side. Like that nervous new attendant who was in the room while Gon and Ok-nam discussed how Gon had been gone. And then there’s the question of Prince Bu-yeong’s loyalties. He strikes me as the type to play things smart, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s loyal to no one in particular. We saw with the doctored autopsy report that he’s willing to be unscrupulous when he feels the situation calls for it, so although I don’t think he’s evil, he’s not full of integrity either. From that picture Rim had, he’s at least keeping his eye on the prince.
I can sense I might be headed for a case of Second Lead Syndrome here because poor Shin-jae really needs a win. He’s fighting for a decent life for himself, but his mom’s gambling addiction is bringing them both down. Although it was rough, I can understand why he let his mom get arrested. She expects Shin-jae’s position to protect her, so maybe letting her face the consequences will help break the cycle. It’s a slim chance, seeing how addicted she is, but Shin-jae must be desperate by now. I’m assuming that woman he met was his therapist, and I’m curious to know what’s going on with those nightmares. I’m sensing more trauma in his past that we’re unaware of, although I hope not. Can we please give him a break?
And I just have to give a shoutout to the amazingly expressive Kim Young-ok as Ok-nam. I could watch her make faces at people all day, especially when she’s irritated. The woman has the best stink eye around. I also love her dramatics, like bemoaning how Gon will miss her funeral if he keeps leaving. She uses whatever’s at her disposal, and I’m here for it. Besides Shin-jae, she’s the only character I feel particularly attached to. I mean, how can you not appreciate a tiny old lady who can make grown men cower with the mere power of her gaze.
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1 Riri
April 29, 2020 at 5:42 PM
Thanks for the recap. I am enjoying this drama alot and hopefully we will analyse incidents in the drama. I am lowkey shipping the main lead. I think they are cute together
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LivingHanity
April 29, 2020 at 6:47 PM
4th Episode was really exciting and sealed me completed into this show. I am sold. Probably my favourite KES drama so far. It mostly has to do with the pairing being somewhat lovely characters.
I gotta admit before diving in to this I was doubtful but all that was removed and I found myself enjoying this drama quite alot. I loved specifically the last part of the 4th episode the chemistry and relationship has developed as it should have. A stranger crossing over to another world running into a cop? Was exactly not where to expect an instant free flowing relationship it had it's awkward moments which was intended to be so because they wanted to be as realistic as possible and it paid off in the end. She slowly started to believe in him and started to develope feelings towards him it didn't just explod from the get go. This was key in sealing my interest and loyality to this show.
As far as the acting goes I think it's pretty well acted by all the cast I can't really pinpoint a weak point even the less experienced supporting roles are doing decent job in making this mysterious world come alive.
The premise is what got me into this drama to begin with. The parallel worlds, Time-travel, magical flute, overpowerful villian who tried to eliminate his nephew who was underaged brutally that was a powerful scene and not to forget the cinamatography, scenery and the production value is absolutely great.
I necessarily don't have any issue with the monologues and according to most koreans it's the best part of the show as the characters had to master specific different tones, dialects and royal elegant language which we foreigners can't really appreciate because we can't simply grab that part nor understand.
As for the chemistry of the main lead. I was in the beginning thinking Hmm! But as time went by I truly loved them together and yes I agree they are cute together. They seem to have good energy around each other which is pleasant
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2 candilane
April 29, 2020 at 5:49 PM
The first 4 episodes were very slow but I am really hoping it picks up going forward. The dialogue is lacking for me somewhat. Its not the acting, everyone ( LMH, Kim Go Eun, etc ) are doing a great job but the dialogue is missing. Its like this drama doesnt have an identity yet and people are disappointed. In Goblin, you cried 8 times during the 1st episode, in Mr. Sunshine, you were intrigued, In Secret Garden, the dialogue was fun and witty, DOTS captured people from the 1st episode. I feel like those dramas had specific identities from the offset and this one lacks that so people are a bit negative. I read a comment that said they didnt understand why people were upset because it was a regular drama but the problem is people don't expect a regular drama with this writer, they expect something extraordinary. So far, I have had to lower my expectations so I can enjoy it more. Like I previously stated the cinematography deserves awards, the beauty of each scene especially the shots of the palace are breathtaking but the dialogue falls short. You have a prince wondering around a republic aimlessly doing nothing ( missed opportunities like the poster previously said) . Also, they should have honestly had Tae Eul in the Kingdom by the end of episode 2, not sure why it took 4 episodes. I am not somewhat excited to see this weeks episode now that she is in the Kingdom, hopefully it will pick up.
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civilsecret
April 29, 2020 at 6:07 PM
Good point about identity, that's definitely the case here, it's a bit all over the place but maybe this week it won't be given ep 4 seems to have improved. I agree her going to his world should have just happened in EP 2. the first two eps should have been tight and not as slow as it i was. Felt like it dragged to get here. But its all happening now so we will have to wait to see if they can keep the ball rolling now and be fun at least.
That's the reason I tuned in, because you have the expectation that KES in drama's are not like any other drama, they are more blockbuster types.
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Bunny Bean loves Uppa
April 29, 2020 at 9:05 PM
I second your opinion about the identity. There is too much information till 4th episode without any meaningful connection. Let's say how the cases which Tae-eul's solving is actually affecting the story, IDK it should at least have meager connection with the story. Though the PM is trying so hard, she looks more of fashion icon than the political candidate, and one side she wants to get involve in romance with Gon and the split second, she wants to get back at him. Still don't know where to look forward to?
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3 Kairoskat 💐
April 29, 2020 at 5:51 PM
Noooo....I have a feeling his bodyguard will die in the fight to defeat evil. Why else is his nickname 'unbreakable sword'. Sobs.
Thanks for the recap @quirkycase. I'm glad they are now on the same page. I look forward to them exploring the possibilities of Corea in ep 5. Hopefully Luna and Shinjae2.0 will finally appear! 😆
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civilsecret
April 29, 2020 at 6:26 PM
Interesting theory, maybe it's foreshadowing do hwans character. I mean he is a bodyguard, there is a good chance he may die protecting lee Gon.
I'm also looking forward to Luna, hope we see her soon and find out what her role is in this whole thing.
Also yup let's see what's Shin Jae is like in Corea of they focus on that.
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Ruckus Likes Drama
April 30, 2020 at 12:56 AM
Somehow' because of the poem i think one of the leads will die or the story will end with 2 in separate worlds.
Hadnt thought of bodyguard dying....he has a love interest. Oh no...please dont let him die.
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Kairoskat 💐
April 30, 2020 at 1:03 AM
Maybe they all die 💉🧪💊🔫🗝🗡⚔
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Except Maximus 🦄
*evil uncle laugh*
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kiara
April 30, 2020 at 9:30 AM
I love the sound of Lady Noh's voice when she read the poem. Such sadness. It felt like she wrote it herself.
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WishfulToki
April 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM
@kiara Right?? I got the impression that she knows something about the book or the author.
I had to look up Azaleas and Kim So Wol. I didn't know it's one of the most important works of modern Korean poetry. It seems to be packed with symbolism that can be applied to this drama:
http://cup.columbia.edu/book/azaleas/9780231139724
Once again, I wish I knew Korean to read the original poems. It's a much better literary reference than Alice in Wonderland, which between you and me, I never liked.
kiara
April 30, 2020 at 12:26 PM
@wishfultoki
Oh wow. Thanks for sharing and looking beyond the surface.
My mind wondered because I was hoping for a forbidden love backstory with Lady Noh and a mysterious man or Prince Buyeong lol.
Emperor Titus
April 30, 2020 at 9:06 PM
@wishfultoki, I encourage you to really learn it. In my city (Toronto, Canada), the Consulate General of South Korea has an education centre, and they do offer Korean class. I am in basic level 2 now. The course is only CAD$50 only (textbook excluded, which is around the same price). Worth to do that.
Emperor Titus
April 30, 2020 at 9:14 PM
"Somehow' because of the poem i think one of the leads will die or the story will end with 2 in separate worlds."
Trust me, @noone, I don't think Kim Eun-soek will let that happen. She either break the rule to force a happy ending like «Goblin/Guardian»*, or announce it will be a sad ending in advance like «Mr. Sunshine». But if the former possibility comes true, that will be the most hatred ending I will ever be experiencing (and that is why I don't like «Goblin»).
*Should Kim Shin's sword on his chest be pulled out, he will be disappeared for good, but he somehow stay, and make the happy ending happened, this is what I mean.
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Ruckus Likes Drama
May 1, 2020 at 12:58 AM
With regard to goblin: him not dying when the sword was taken out was weird and defied logic and not a great plot point.
But him living alone and everyone passing on was pretty lonely and sad for me. I mean though his love interest is born again but she will pass away again and again he will be on his own... at least for me that ending was meloncholic. Grim reaper moving on was the hardest for me. It reminded me of some lessons from she.
Mr. Sunshine: i have to see when i am ready to cry.
This drama: it is a commercial drama so even i dont know if they would want a sad end though the music as of now and the poem hint at future sadness. I will not believe that it is to make me feel sad for them for their current circumstances coz that would be ridiculous.
Someone somewhere wrote that he will not let his beloved's name be called thrice such that she departs... so maybe it hints at rescue. But the poem is meloncholic according to me.
Regarding korean classes: i wanted to learn but at one point they were a long distance away and at another on days that i wasnt in the city :( but with my korean drama/lit/manhwa obsession am wondering if it is time to try to opt for korean classes again :D
Emperor Titus
May 1, 2020 at 9:56 AM
@noone, Wish to greet you sometimes later in Korean soon!! I need to work hard too.
(Not sure which city you are in though, but I guess you are in Canada?)
«Goblin»: You’ve exactly got my point, and I don’t need to say more. What I need to say is: I don’t think this “happy” ending make sense, and I don’t think the ending is happy.
«Mr. Sunshine»: Prepare to cry very hard especially the last 2 episodes. It is a complete and satisfying ending, and probably the only KES drama I like. I can guarantee.
«The King»: I am still not sure if it is a happy or sad ending, but at least I finally find somethings very interesting at the end of Ep.4 (and the whole Ep.5, too) because I really get something to follow. But more on that at the next recap.
However, what I am hoping for is an ending which is make sense, meaningful and satisfying, despite happy or sad. I didn’t watch too many dramas, but the dramas I do love are 2 played by IU, «My Mister» and «Hotel del Luna», one of the reasons is they both end well, simple as that.
Ruckus Likes Drama
May 3, 2020 at 3:35 AM
@imperialtitus : I have never been to canada though I would love to visit :) We definitely will converse in Korean one day, if I continue to enjoy kdramas and korean manhua as much as I do.
As for other dramas: happy to recommend more. Am not the best consumer out there as I started watching in 2018 but I have watched many. Was a media student at one point, so am interested in consumption and production of this branch. Also, I keep trying to understand why do I enjoy korean productions? Japanese anime but korean dramas :D
Mainland Chinese manhuas can be fun, anime are extremely funny but no satisfactory story archs while dramas are a disappointment (generally!).
I liked hotel del luna for the layers that theorists offered and funny actics. The minute they started making the male lead stronger and FL became dependent, I started losing my taste. I also think am a better binger than current drama consumer. I have only watched clips but never got around to seeing episode 14-16 as I didnt feel like crying. Am easily manipulated by dramas where I invest in characters. As you can read, my drama experiences are very much about me, thus am often too interested in what other people experience :D
Ruckus Likes Drama
May 3, 2020 at 3:51 AM
@imperialtitus i think a long response I wrote just went missing! I forgot what I had typed. another time :(.
Siah Anak Menggat
May 4, 2020 at 8:46 PM
Oh No!!! my handsome do hwan.pls don’t let him die😢
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WishfulToki
April 29, 2020 at 7:43 PM
Re. the sword: I think Gon's shoulder pain with the yellowish energy streaks is related to the fact that he is the owner of the Four Tiger Sword, with which he accidentally cut the flute in two as a kid. The magical force/energy/whatchamacallit from the two objects clashed and opened the portal... if it's going to take breaking the sword to close it, well, it seems to me like Gon is in more danger than Yeong. (Maybe they both die.... maybe they all die and only Maximus survives).
Also the stuffed animal keychain seems to hint at the metaphor of Lee Gon = tiger. Or lion? Anyway, I promised myself I wouldn't think too deeply about this show, because I KES has a way of throwing all my theories overboard with FATE in the last stretch.
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
April 29, 2020 at 7:51 PM
Thank you for giving me a valid excuse to watch this with my brain off. I was doing that anyway, but now there's a reason. 🤣 With KES I know better than to care about logic since that will lead to madness or anger and I'd rather just watch WDH be under utilized (at least for now) and KKN (who is stealing the show).
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WishfulToki
April 29, 2020 at 8:27 PM
You're welcome. I'm still not over GOBLIN's butterfly god, hence the attempt to switch my brain off. SECRET GARDEN is one of my favourite dramas, but it did something similar because the rules of the fantasy world were never explained and things happened just because. Now I know that overthinking a KES drama can lead to anger. And we know that anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering... :P
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Emperor Titus
April 30, 2020 at 9:45 PM
Now I know how to train Rey ...
Beverly
April 29, 2020 at 8:00 PM
I'm reading the word "FATE" in a tone of voice that makes me laugh.
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Bunny Bean loves Uppa
April 29, 2020 at 9:15 PM
That Key chain was of Tae-eul's. It was seen when she lost her I card. But I will be totally disappointed if Young will die that too without any funny or romantic comedy which I thought he and Seung-ah
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kiara
April 29, 2020 at 10:55 PM
Don't they both have one each?
When she lost her ID card, Lee Gon was already back in his palace with the same key chain.
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Bunny Bean loves Uppa
April 29, 2020 at 11:09 PM
That's the confusing one. Because as far as I thought, Gon took her kitchen to his world as Souvenir because he had it when he went back to KOC. she might be having more than one. Or the time flew back, and when she lost her card was before she even met with Gon. But soon after she receive the call from the forensic that they have checked the currency notes. Huh!!!! My mind is on roller coaster right now!!
Kairoskat 💐
April 30, 2020 at 1:10 AM
@bunnybean *spinoff*There will be flashback. They got couple keychains from a luckydraw at bbq chicken. Lost opportunity there....they should have made a chicken keychain to go with the bbq theme 🐓 ->🍗.*end spinoff* hihihi
Anyways...the keychain reminds me of CITT. And I wonder will someone steal it here? Will it be an important arc in Eternal Monarch? 🤔
WishfulToki
April 30, 2020 at 6:03 AM
@katakwasabi I actually thought Gon got the couple keychains, put one on her car key and kept the other hihihi
Your guess is as good as mine about what will end up being important and what is just filler.
Ruckus Likes Drama
April 30, 2020 at 1:00 AM
The word fate is foreshhadowed... fate brought us together in the gravity song :D
Ok' i have a weird sense of humour.
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kiara
April 30, 2020 at 1:48 AM
Lee Gon mentioned before that he crossed the dimension with thunder and lightening.
Could the pain and lightening mark on his shoulder a side effect from going back and forth between the two worlds or is this another math pun that goes over my head? LOL
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scout
April 30, 2020 at 11:07 AM
It is a lion, and his name is Minomi. And now, I've said too much. 😂
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Miky
May 1, 2020 at 10:59 AM
I'm also curious if the little kid present in ep 3 and 4 is like the Flute Spirit or a deity.
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
April 29, 2020 at 7:55 PM
I'm not sure I can watch my favorite half of my Stabby OTP ™️ die again. I hope you're wrong and 'unbreakable sword' means just that. Or maybe the two WDH's become one just like the flute?
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WishfulToki
April 30, 2020 at 5:43 PM
*trying to picture the two WDHs merge into one*
But then he'll be neither of them... Or they might just negate each other and cease to exist = zero WDH. *cries as brain melts*
See. This is what KES dramas do to our brains. 😂
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
April 30, 2020 at 5:57 PM
He'll be both of them. The best of both!
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4 Beverly
April 29, 2020 at 5:52 PM
That header picture is so beautiful. I think maybe the director is starting to find his feet? When the time stops I like looking at those shots, it makes me think of paintings. I also, liked the rain scenes how it looked and sounded.
When we can freely move around and money is also moving again anyone want to go to Korea and wear beautiful coats, walk through a bamboo forest, and when it starts to rain find a pretty cafe to sit in and drink coffee and eat cake as we people watch looking for the couples sharing umbrellas?
WDH. So. Very. Handsome. Also, I really enjoyed Yeong this episode. I think we are finally seeing his personality come out and maybe hints of the bromance.
Shin-jae needs to be happy and having sweet dreams at the end of this. I know that romance shouldn't always be the barometer for a characters happiness, but I kind of want someone to LOVE him. Well besides Jangmi. I want Shin-jae to become Jangmi's bestest friend.
Alot of the storylines I'm still not quite following or seeing how they will all weave together.
I also feel like we were still in set up mode and now have hope that we might actually be getting into the heart of the story.
I really want to start seeing all these characters meet each other and interact with each other. Once I'm clear in what exactly it is they are up against I wouldn't mind seeing a cross dimensional scooby gang.
Maximus is still the most beautiful horse in Korea and Corea.
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candilane
April 29, 2020 at 5:54 PM
I must agree when times stops, the cinematography is so unbelievably beautiful, seriously Hollywood level. However, the actual dialogue needs to pick up. I feel like the director maybe a bit more " artistic" and leaves the "unsaid" for the audience to figure out but that doesnt really work. It didnt work on the last few seasons of Game of Thrones and it wont work on this.. lol
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sisie1979
April 29, 2020 at 7:01 PM
Candilane, let's not mentioned GOT. Oh lord. do we have a thread for that? cause i could rant on eternity for that final season.
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kiara
April 29, 2020 at 6:28 PM
I keep re-watching the two time stops. The one from eps 3 at the park (Kim Go-eun looks gorgeous like she is one with nature).
The one at the palace with the rain, so dreamy.
Thank you so much @quirkycase for the recaps and for giving us a place to share our opinions, theories etc.
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WishfulToki
April 29, 2020 at 7:00 PM
High five @kiara! I keep watching the time stops. Even Uncle got his artistic moment in that scene by the sea, with the waves crashing and freezing mid-air. I was distinctly reminded of this painting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanderer_above_the_Sea_of_Fog
One thing I noticed is that water is involved in all the time stops: drops of water, sea, and rain. I don't think it means much but it sure is beautiful. What a delight for WDH fans to watch him in that dreamy palace scene. :)
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kiara
April 29, 2020 at 7:58 PM
High five back! @wishfultoki I'm so glad you are here!
Wow, thanks for sharing. The feels :).
There is a lot of historical back stories and references that keeps me glued to this drama.
Water, sea and rain. Maybe there is something there from the legend/tale of the flute aka the Manpasikjeok that Rim was reciting.
"When the flute is played....sweet rains came after drought, the bright sun shone in the the down pour, the wind was mild and the sea was calm..."
Rim made a comment in earlier episodes that the world is peaceful. When time stop?
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kiara
April 29, 2020 at 8:52 PM
There is so much stuff in my head. Applying it to the story and translating it to English (3rd language ) is a bit challenging.
In Joseon we are used to water, rain and sea as a bad omen for the king but here it's a good omen with the sound of the flute because it brings peace.
Ruckus Likes Drama
April 30, 2020 at 1:07 AM
Pray, please share the story behind why rain/sea were considered a bad omen for the king in joseon? I want a good story :)
WishfulToki
April 30, 2020 at 5:59 AM
@kiara I would never think English is your third language! I can hardly manage two languages *bows*
I'll have to rewatch the first 5 minutes of Ep 1 with Evil Uncle's lesson on Manpasikjeok. I'll be pleased as a peach if my observation about water has any meaning. Perhaps the flute's element (water, wood) clashed with the sword's lightning (metal, fire), causing a break in the earth in the form of the portal.
@noone all I can think of is that water and water maids were important for Goryeo. I still remember @barbrey's fascinating comments during MOON LOVERS: SCARLET HEART. If the king rejects the water maid, his rule goes down the drain.
I'm trying to think of Joseon examples... usually eclipses and storms are bad omens I think? But they can also be positive? Yi Seong Gye tried to time a ceremony with an eclipse in JANG YOUNGSIL: THE GREATEST SCIENTIST OF JOSEON, but it backfired when the astronomy guys miscalculated the date.
kiara
April 30, 2020 at 7:46 AM
@wishfultoki
You are too kind :).
I started watching out of curiosity because Korea's history is fascinating and "what if" the House of Yi continues to rule to this day.
Therefore, I'm looking at things from a historical perspective.
Although this is a fantasy world, there is something stimulating about seeing the changes from the old Joseon to this new empire.
Some restrictions are lifted and the advancements in Science and technology that was pioneered by Joseon's sage king Sejong flourished in both worlds.
(Yay for JANG YOUNGSIL).
Some rules still apply to the king's close relatives in order to protect the throne and their loyalty will always be in questioned.
I really like Prince Buyeong. I hope he is on Lee Gon's side.
The Korean viewers should be familiar with the many historical references but it span for thousand of years from the 3 kingdom era (Silla) to the Joseon Dynasty. It may take a bit of effort to make the connection.
I'm probably the only crazy person who doesn't mind the pace because it's jam packed with clues and symbolism.
That's the fun part for me, it's like looking for easter eggs.
anonymous
May 1, 2020 at 3:54 AM
@kiara Well call me crazy too because I think the pacing is perfect. I love the details scattered throughout the show that add to the world-building and give hints to the mysteries. I'm surprised that so far, there aren't really any filler scenes or overly long shots that are typical of KES dramas. Except maybe for the PPL scenes and scenes between the main leads. But even then, while the leads eat mouth-watering chicken, we get fascinating conversations on how Corean history is different from Korea's. As someone who loves to read about history and even imagine how things would have been different, I enjoy those scenes. I like that they seem to have put a lot of thought into the alternate history, and I hope they give us more. I miss most of the symbolisms because I'm not knowledgeable on Korean culture, so your and other beanies' comments are helpful and add another layer that makes this show so enjoyable to watch.
I really like Prince Buyeong too and want him to be on Gon's side, but it doesn't bode well for me that we haven't seen his counterpart yet and that Rim has his photo in his dark room. Interestingly, in that photo, he's wearing the clothes he wore while meeting with the prime minister and later Gon.
Emperor Titus
May 1, 2020 at 7:32 AM
I am surely interested in what is @kiara’s first language. English is my second language as well, and I am trying to make Korean my third (for exposure, Cantonese is my mother tongue, and I understand Mandarin and French).
There is also something interesting in “alternative history” if the House of Yi continue to rule Corea/Korea (Another “alternative history” drama which I find fascinating is a Norwegian called «Occupied», which stream on Netflix in North America). In «The King», seems that Empire of Corea has become some kind of a Switzerland, with 3 capitals (Busan for Royal, Seoul for Politic, and Pyongyang for Economic), and probably it is also a neutral state between some big powers (China, Japan, Russia, and more?)
@wishfultoki, I am pretty sure solar eclipses are bad omens, but not sure about the storms, since in a country putting agriculture as their first priority in economy, having some rain does help. This is also why if the king rejects the water maid, his rule goes down the drain. But anyway, I am not familiar about the “5 elements” legend, so I stop here.
Bunny Bean loves Uppa
April 29, 2020 at 10:48 PM
Thanks for sharing that Painting @wishfultoki. That's really beautiful and it seems a perfect comparison.
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Emperor Titus
April 30, 2020 at 9:55 PM
Water, sea, rain ... also thunder; and don't forget when the flute is cut in two, it is snowing.
I agree the cinematography is great for this drama. And starting this episode, I guess they try to distinguish the Corea and Korea in 2 color tone: Corea is richer and Korea is paler. This is a good step forward.
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uzistar
April 30, 2020 at 12:45 AM
"... I kind of want someone to LOVE him. Well besides Jangmi"
Hahahahaha yes!
And I also love the scenes with time stopping.
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Edgar Pordwed
April 30, 2020 at 3:22 AM
Yes I hope we have a cross-dimensional scooby gang too!
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Smile🌻
April 30, 2020 at 7:00 PM
"When we can freely move around and money is also moving again anyone want to go to Korea and wear beautiful coats, walk through a bamboo forest...."
Yes, me! Where do I sign up? And why does just about everyone in a kdrama wear such beautiful coats!? My family and I were recently marveling at all the beautiful coats the Hi Bye Mama cast would wear on camera.
I also enjoyed seeing a little more of Yeong and hope to see more of WDH overall. Shin-Jae deserves ALL the happiness in the world!
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April 29, 2020 at 5:57 PM
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6 candilane
April 29, 2020 at 5:58 PM
Quick question, so Lee Gon's mom in the Republic, Is she with ( like in a relationship) with the Uncle from the Kingdom? The man that killed her husband and son
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Kairoskat 💐
April 29, 2020 at 6:50 PM
I don't think so. She's probably forced to follow him. If she doesn't, he'll kill her. Maybe...just maybe...evil uncle plans to use Korea mum to rattle Gon, eg make his dead mum suddenly appear in front of him?
That's my wishful thinking/theory. Hahaha. They never showed mum in Corea, we only know she's dead. How she died was never told. He might have have memories of mum, just like how he has memories of dad.
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candilane
April 29, 2020 at 6:53 PM
Ok, whew, I was hoping they weren't together. I am waiting for Republic mom to see her Kingdom son.. I think she is going to be the one to take out the uncle.
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Kairoskat 💐
April 29, 2020 at 6:59 PM
I don't think mum will be such an important character. If mum takes down uncle, what else is left for Gon to do other than woo Tae Eul? Hahaha
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candilane
April 29, 2020 at 7:30 PM
I think she will play a larger part but we will see. I feel like all the characters that are missing counterpoints in the parallel world will be important. So far, there is no Tae Eul in the Kingdom ( that we know of), No lee Gon in the Republic, The Queen lives in the Republic but is dead in the Kingdom, we havent seen the court lady in the republic yet either..
rambutan
April 30, 2020 at 8:41 AM
The court lady is dead in the Republic. She lies beside Le Gon, the child, in the Republic's cemetery.
growingbeautifully
April 30, 2020 at 9:59 AM
@candiland If Luna is not a figment of imagination, then she is Tae Eul's counterpart in KOC, if she is even there!!! She was supposed to be the White Rabbit and then a spectre of her was in TE's car the night LG rode into ROK. Intriguing, huh?
scout
April 30, 2020 at 10:59 AM
@rambutan
What makes you believe that court lady's doppelganger is dead?
DHMRS
April 29, 2020 at 8:22 PM
I think they are together in the sense that he has forced her to work along side him and for him, but not together in any physical/sexual sense.
When the police came to the door back when her husband and child were dead, he basically set up a blackmail scenario. I think he frightened her into helping him with the charade that he was her brother-in-law- he's supposedly been confined to a wheelchair and couldn't speak and now he can walk and talk. He'd need her help to pull that off and assure people that he is really her brother-in-law.
I'm sure she regrets it now, but it's the kind of thing where the longer you participate, the less you can extricate yourself.
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7 FormAnOrderlyQueue
April 29, 2020 at 6:03 PM
"I’ve been trying to put my finger on why things are feeling somewhat disjointed for me, and I think it’s that there isn’t much to grab onto."
Yes, exactly. I'm very much aware that there's a ton of stuff going on which I'm hardly seeing/acknowledging but is probably hugely relevant later (yoyos, bookshops, maths, lightning shaped wounds and on and on and on). At the same time, I don't have enough info about individual characters and motivations to make sense of them/care for them yet (save Shin Jae). This odd mix of not-enough-and-too-much at the same time is tricky to navigate. But at least in this episode it feels like the fog might lift soon.
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Kwan
May 4, 2020 at 11:42 AM
I've been trying, but I just can't get into this drama, much for the same reason, it seems to disjointed. Maybe next year.
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8 YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
April 29, 2020 at 6:15 PM
Finally. A scene that roused me from my foggy stupor. KES was aiming to make her viewers swoon in the end scene, and, hey, she did it - for me, anyway. It was like a scene from my favourite romantic novel - dashing hero grabs wide-eyed heroine by the waist, tosses her masterfully onto majestic white steed and gallops into the unknown. Toss in the tall green bamboo, the falling snowflakes, a blinding light, a crash of lightning, and KAZAAM! I'm a goner! And when he leaned in to her, and murmured, low in her ear, "Told you so, didn't I?" my heart fluttered. Just a little flip. Thump thump. And it was back to normal. Still, that's a start.
Maybe, I found this scene romantic because they were on horseback. Maybe, Lee Gon should just have all his scenes with her on horseback. In a dark forest. And keep his lines short. Avoid draggy monologues. And, maybe she should stop shrieking and rolling her eyes at him, and just, maybe, not say anything. Maybe that might work. Maybe.
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candilane
April 29, 2020 at 6:22 PM
Personally, I find the acting to be very good, its just the dialogue and general direction that has been off in this drama for me. But your right that final scene was adorable, especially when he told everyone to step back because she was shocked. I actually had a genuine smile during that scene.
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happiness
April 29, 2020 at 6:49 PM
Yes! that last scene was done very well and I could start to see the chemistry as well, I actually sort of squealed a bit when he mounted Tae-eul on Maximus. They really shouldn't have rushed the romance at the start (or atleast try to make scenes where Tae-eul is stink-eyeing Gon romantic), I'm starting to see it now and hopefully it follows through in episode 5, I'm really looking forward to the episodes this week
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Trinity 🍆
April 29, 2020 at 7:39 PM
Mounted Tae-eul on the horse 🤭 you're making me blush @bangwon. I'm too innocent for this comment.
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
April 29, 2020 at 7:45 PM
*Giggling* *Blushing*
happiness
April 29, 2020 at 8:31 PM
oops pardon my wording 😂
Trinity 🍆
April 29, 2020 at 10:45 PM
@bangwon I forgive you, but you now need to take responsibility for my lost innocence 🤭
YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
April 29, 2020 at 6:50 PM
Hey, candilane. This is my breather before I get my heart ripped out in A Couple's World. The lull befote the storm
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April 29, 2020 at 6:56 PM
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candilane
April 29, 2020 at 6:56 PM
I am already stressed for A Couples World and its only Wednesday.. LOL
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kiara
April 29, 2020 at 6:57 PM
Lol I'm here for that too. I want some loving cause that show is wild and it's a different kind of madness.
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
April 29, 2020 at 7:23 PM
I need something to occupy my mind before the pain. This is perfect.
Emperor Titus
April 30, 2020 at 10:08 PM
I would try «When My Love Blooms» as my breather instead: always enjoy a beautiful story about first love. «A Couple's World» is too tense (but it is one hack of a good drama), yet «The King» logic makes me angry.
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kiara
April 29, 2020 at 6:53 PM
Oh and the first snowfall and ya know what that means.
So when is your cameo appearance and what character are you going to play? Inquiring minds wants to know.
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
April 29, 2020 at 7:27 PM
The square root? Very abstract. I would be an IDEA. Even more challenging than A Strange Wind.
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
April 29, 2020 at 7:59 PM
I though you were the disappearing portal and pillars.
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
April 29, 2020 at 8:50 PM
Stop. *BLUSHING* I know I'm good, but really, I'm not THAT good.
Kairoskat 💐
April 30, 2020 at 6:27 AM
Yes! I vaguely remember @yyishere saying she will cameo as the portal in one of the early King posts. There was quite an elaborate discussion back then to detail out her cameo 😆.
Fly Colours
April 30, 2020 at 4:53 AM
That scene! It was all kinds of cheesy, but so well delivered! That's why I'm enjoying this drama so much: it takes old cringy tropes and somehow makes them compelling. And it's not an ironical watch: I'm really into this, although my brain keeps telling me I should know better 😋
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Bukeneng
May 1, 2020 at 11:56 AM
I found it frustrating that it took 4 episodes- and the end of the 4th episode at that- to get TE into the parallel world. I could give a rip about them galloping on a horse together or staring into each other's eyes forever because I still don't feel their closeness is earned.
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9 rubytuesday
April 29, 2020 at 6:18 PM
I doubt I'm going to last until the end with this show, but to make predictions now, what is the person that saved Gon is Gon? With time already freezing the way it does, I think Show is gonna incorporate time travel at some point, and either King Gon or Republic Gon (who I'm cynical is actually dead) will be the one who goes back and saves kid Gon from his disinteresting villain uncle.
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Beverly
April 29, 2020 at 6:23 PM
That seems to be the popular theory.
With JB & GF even saying he looked like right out of City Hunter. I need to watch that one some time.
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
April 29, 2020 at 8:00 PM
You really are a goner, aren't you? 😉
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civilsecret
April 29, 2020 at 7:11 PM
It seems obvious now that the guy who saved little lee gon was older lee Gon, as he looked like LMH, though they could always change that.
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May
April 29, 2020 at 10:37 PM
If they change that it would be drama for the sake of drama because that scene was very obvious filmed by LMH. Anyone who has ever scene City Hunter can vouch for that. All actors in black clothing don't look the same and LMH has a very distinct side profile.
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Bunny Bean loves Uppa
April 29, 2020 at 9:29 PM
I am little confused about that because the current situation which is happening in republic of Korea has already happened 25 years ago in the Kingdom, I'm not sure how they will follow the time lapses here. And even if he is Gon, why is he alone? And did he pull her I card from the drain?? Ewww! MIND Block!!! Still doesn't understand how this future past things works for the show
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April 29, 2020 at 10:22 PM
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Bunny Bean loves Uppa
April 29, 2020 at 10:34 PM
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Atlas
April 29, 2020 at 10:31 PM
The i card that fell down the drain had her photo with untied hair . So it is not the one which is in the possession of Gon .The newly issued id was the one that Gon was talking about. I assume that TE gonna lose her new icard as well as it will ultimately end in KOC.
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Bunny Bean loves Uppa
April 29, 2020 at 10:45 PM
Right! I totally missed that. But I'm still confused with the future past thing. Is it like the time travel shown in harry Potter? Would that be ROK to KOC and then in past?Where they could go back in the past? May be. Let's see how this mystery is unravelled :)
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Bukeneng
May 1, 2020 at 11:58 AM
It incorporated time travel from the vary beginning with the badge. That clearly shows some time travel is involved.
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10 neener ~ Inside the Magic Shop ~
April 29, 2020 at 6:31 PM
It's taking time for KES to build this world compared to her other projects. So it's good to know that we're going somewhere after 4 episodes.
Scene with chibi-Gon and royal father was such a heartwarming moment.
I may not be a fan of the directing yet but those paused scenes look awesome!
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11 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
April 29, 2020 at 6:31 PM
OK, she's not the math wiz of the show, but she can still put 2 and 2 together.
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Beverly
April 29, 2020 at 6:45 PM
I kind of want a chance to use this as an excuse at some point to get out of things.
"I'm sorry I have some math to do."
I havent seen it explained if he is some famous math scholar? Does he use his math for something?
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
April 29, 2020 at 6:58 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to have spent the last 20+ years doing some genius-level calculations to deduce to existence of the alternate world and the properties of the gate.
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Atlas
April 29, 2020 at 10:34 PM
Then boy definitely deserves something equivalent to Nobel prize for Maths...But I doubt if it exists in his world..Oops Einstein exists,so does his Nobel which means it wouldn't be far fetched if Gon publishes his baffling theory and gets a medal..
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Atlas
April 29, 2020 at 10:53 PM
One of my biggest question is how they gonna merge fantasy with science .I m really getting curious about that .Okay I get it that Einstein proposed theory of relativity which gave birth to the idea of parallel universe. I want to know how using that fact they will connect it with the flute. Theory of relativity is a fact acknowledged by many and Einstein should have got Nobel for it instead of the Photoelectric effect. And being a science student I can't help but think that how the flute is related to this theory in a scientific way. The story behind flute is a myth, folklore,a fantasy whereas Theory of relativity is a reality. Do they really gonna tie the thread or just leave it to the fact that Theory of relativity proves its (parallel universe)existence and to reach the other world you need the flute. Annnddd
....that'ss it!!! If they gonna put it to that I m simply gonna be so pissed. Cause you either explain it from an entire fantastical view wrt the flute only for example Harry Potter which had a world of its own,or rather show only facts which is scientifically addressed for example Inception (which was beyond my capacity though 😅). I mean what is the point of LG doing wonders on his greenboards, windows where all I could see was Limit tending to infinity..😂.You just can't mix those two genres just as you please and screw our brain even if you have the right to exploit your story in the name of fiction. This is the main thing that is keeping me interested so far.Only 4 episodes have gone and I hope the writer goes in that direction so that I get my desired answers. Episode 4 is the most interesting one so far. Hope she keeps the upward trend.
kiara
April 29, 2020 at 7:10 PM
I wonder where he went before because that was his first time using the portal?
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12 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
April 29, 2020 at 6:39 PM
Applying my own 2 plus 2 capabilities, I expect more cases of connections between doppelgangers in the future whenever the gate opens. This will probably be significant somehow.
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Kairoskat 💐
April 29, 2020 at 6:56 PM
Hmm..this connection is baffling. Why now? If the connection goes on, what will happen to evil uncle plans. If he kills one doppelganger, won't the other be killed too?
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DHMRS
April 29, 2020 at 8:26 PM
I wonder if it's something that has always been happening, whenever two doppelgangers are doing essentially the same thing at the same time, wires sometimes cross- but nobody knows because nobody but Rim and Gon knew about the parallel worlds.
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
April 30, 2020 at 8:12 PM
Agree, likely happening all along and people just thought "Huh, that's funny" and went about their business.
No guesses about how they will use this for the plot but if anyone in the show tries it explain why it happens I expect we might hear "quantum entanglement".
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WishfulToki
April 29, 2020 at 8:20 PM
Me as I watch most scenes in this drama LOL
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SuShin
April 29, 2020 at 10:06 PM
Count me in hahahah.
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13 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
April 29, 2020 at 6:41 PM
From that very last scene I think we're finally going to get some chemistry out of Tae-eul. Being handsome isn't enough for her, Gon needs to be super rich and not a liar or lunatic for her to look at him like that. True love indeed. Cough, cough.
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
April 29, 2020 at 7:20 PM
If this were to go the traditional romance route, we could expect a Pretty Woman Moment in the upcoming episodes. Heroine is given a complete overhaul from sparkling gowns to makeup and perfumes and shoes. There will be an overload of PPL. A romantic Moment is almost guaranteed - a sweet song, and eyes locking across a crowded ballroom. He will take one look at her and fall in love all over again.
There will be a Moment of tension between the enigmatic, red-taloned PM and the confused heroine. A triangle, of sorts. Though, wouldn't it have been more delicious if Lee Gon hadn't shown his dislike of The Other Woman so clearly? A fiancéé tucked away in Corea would have made it so much more angsty.
Of course, this could go the other way.
Our feisty heroine could put her fiercely independent feet down and continue the way she has, clothes, sass and all.
The only thing I am sure of is this: chicken will make an appearance in the next episode.
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
April 29, 2020 at 8:02 PM
BBQ chicken.
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
April 29, 2020 at 8:53 PM
Steamboat, probably. One of those shiny cookpots. They will wear matching pink sweaters and banter over the steam.
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candilane
April 29, 2020 at 8:36 PM
Honestly, I hope a pretty woman makeover is done because I am ready to shoot the wardrobe person responsible for Tae Euls concept..If they can make a fashionable Prime Minister lady, they can make a fashionable police detective.. 😂🤣😂🤣
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
April 29, 2020 at 9:04 PM
I rather want her to remain as as she is right now, with those blowsy grandma shirts and baggy grandpa pants. And it's sweet (in font, anyway, if not on the screen) that he likes her in spite of, and, perhaps, because of her appearance.
Let me think for a bit.
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Okay. Thought for 5 seconds.
Here's what I think.
She is the very antithesis of what he has seen so far in Corea. The seductive PM is obviously a beautiful woman, perfect in looks, if not in character. Our king's idea of The Perfect Woman is the Woman of His Dreams. A down-to-earth, tough and independent woman with a loud mouth and enough sass to get his heart pounding and his blood roaring in his veins - not that I have seen much evidence of that so far, well, except for that last scene, that cheeky grin, and that flare in his dark eyes. His eyes did flare, didn't they? They kind of smouldered...I's like to think I didn't imagine that.
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Beverly
April 29, 2020 at 9:09 PM
I want her to keep her clothes too. I dont mind makeover scenes or characters changing their style as they discover what they like, but this heroine seems confident in who she is.
Though we might get a dress up scene like Secret Garden.
Secret Garden was one of my early dramas and thinking back on that kiss scene in the middle of the party....I now know that is fairly uncommon. I need to re read the recaps to see if they mention being surprised by that.
candilane
April 29, 2020 at 9:38 PM
I get your perspective, my only thing is how the viewer sees her. We need to see a Queen and right now, I am not getting that vibe from her. Its not just the wardrobe, its the persona. I think the PM is too flashy. I prefer something more Song Hye Kyo in Encounter style.
Even if the King is okay with it her wardrobe is visually unappetizing for me. I know its done on purpose but its not a sell in a drama. Fashion is very important in dramas, especially for me. I remember loving Goong for the wardrobe of the Crown Princess. In My Princess ( Kim Tae Hee) also looked beautiful. The K Drama the Mask, Almost every outfit I googled. Kim Go Eun was better dressed in Cheese in the Trap than she is now.
I really do see your point and that is likely where the director is trying to go but I love love love fashion so I am disappointed in our leading lady's style.
YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
April 29, 2020 at 10:01 PM
@bcampbell1662 Oh, Secret Garden was a KES drama? I didn't know that. I avoided it for years, but @bbstl convinced me to watch it - I was besotted with Hyun Bin after MoA - and, it was awesome. I never watched it because of the body swap thing, but that drama tore my heart up. I can still remember the crack of lightning, and the moments when he would walk across the garden, turn, and she would be right there, beside him. Beautiful show, with many poignant moments.
@candiland I hope they will turn her into a beautiful Queen for your sake. They may even have her marry him - how about that? - and she'll become the Queen of Corea. That's one way to drive the ratings up.
candilane
April 29, 2020 at 10:22 PM
@yyishere LOL, its possible but unlikely, the fact that Lee Gon proposed in episode 2 is indicative of an unhappy ending, but we shall see. However, yes, I want her to get the Royal experience which she may get. However, dramas are a package ( visuals, fashions, scenery, etc) so I am waiting for them to deliver the full package. Maybe the wardrobe budget went to the male lead because LMH has been super fly since this drama started.
Fly Colours
April 30, 2020 at 4:03 AM
No makeover, please! I like the way she dresses. Ladies in Dramaland usually do prim (you know: ruffled shirts, pastel colours... mainly dressing like a 6 year old on her way to granny's home for Sunday lunch), or sophisticated (see: PM). I enjoy it when they do casual. Also agree with the argument that she looks the more attractive to Gon because he's not used to seeing women being natural
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MeiDramaDreams
April 30, 2020 at 6:25 AM
If they dressed her up, I bet she’d be wearing sneakers underneath that gown lol
kiara
April 30, 2020 at 8:35 AM
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kiara
April 30, 2020 at 8:40 AM
I like the way she dresses too.
Female cops chasing after criminals on heels is eye-rolling.
I also like the way she ties her hair up when she is pissed off. Most female tv cops have perfect hair like they just walked out of a salon.
It was a disaster when she tried to dress up like a city chick. Even the boys called her ahjumma haha.
Bukeneng
May 1, 2020 at 12:04 PM
What is it with KDramas always trying to make high-water pants happen? I've seen so many lead females flooding their hearts out and tall men wearing suits that look awful cause the pant legs are too short. Every time I think to myself, "Stop trying to make fetch happen!"
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candilane
May 1, 2020 at 6:28 PM
Bwahahaha Gretchen Weiners.. LOL.. Yes, I noticed the same thing with high water pants. If you enjoy classic fashionista's in K dramas.. I would recommend Encounter, The Mask, and Hotel De Luna.. The dresses and outfits in each of those dramas were 😍😍😍..However, the best dressed TV show diva's were easily Olivia Pope from Scandal and Blair Waldorf from Gossip Girl.. 👍
Ruckus Likes Drama
April 30, 2020 at 1:21 AM
She is transformed into a bodyguard, does that count as an overhaul?
I hope the chicken doesnt make an appearance as they are in Corea :D
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14 Telomere
April 29, 2020 at 7:07 PM
Now we're getting somewhere! Felt genuinely excited at the end of this episode and am looking forward to ep 5.
The scene that struck me the most in this ep was that flashback to Tae-Eul and Gon returning from the bamboo grove that first time, when they were talking about her reasons for becoming a police officer. Romance is built on those lovely quiet moments and I really really hope for more of these as we go along. I liked the link between Gon watching Tae-Eul fighting and recalling what she'd said about choosing to be brave for those who cannot be, and I hope we get more of that insight into how that affection develops -- past the initial buzz of finding someone he's been looking for for years.
Loved the scenes with Yeong and Ok-nam, which gave them a bit more to do than just wring their hands and wonder where Gon was. I also liked the scene with Prince Buyeong and how Gon was trying to test his loyalty, because I could feel how much Gon was hoping this would not be the case. I found the detail that he's sent his children away to live outside the country very interesting, and how in effect he and Ok-nam became Gon's father- and mother-figures through the rest of his childhood.
And finally: the return of computer forensics Lieutenant Park!!!! That little finger wave he gave at the end :')
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15 civilsecret
April 29, 2020 at 7:09 PM
Excellent recap
I think the issue is the lack of world building and rules being layed out at the start, it's being given in bits and pieces along with the mystery. If your doing mystery and keeping the audience guessing, you need to do it well, at the moment it's hard to keep up with what we are supposed. You could go the secret way with Ji Sung and hwang jung eum and let the audience know more then the characters but keep some twists as a suprise
Another point is that the ML and FL aren't strongly written and need better development as individuals and then together. It's not easy to connect with them, they seem distant from you.
The chemistry however did improve in this ep and overall seems like they are tightening up the drama, so hopefully that continues. Was no feeling that library scene especially from Tae Eul side, seems like this could have come later in the drama, as that emotional connection was missing.im neither here or there as far as being invested in their romance or love story but at least it might be fun now
I have to say the villian is really handsome, I think Lee Gon mum from republic will come into use and we may get a nice moment between them
I'm really liking the flashback between young gon and his father, both the actors do a really good job and the father is also really attractive. It's too bad they killed of the father in the republic, that would have been something if Lee Gon saw him again. Though I don't know if believe lee Gon was killed in republic, but we will see
WDH seems better in this ep, which is good, I also really like granny, such shade and sass. Being back in Corea maybe better and more exciting
Also can't help but Stan Shin Jae,that was some good acting with his mum at the gambling place. His gonna suffer isn't he... I guess I should prepare myself. Also I like the fact that his labelled as someone on the edge of the wrong path, he might be a wild card, some people are saying he could go to the dark side.his definitely someone I'm sticking around for.
Looking forward to hopefully seeing Luna and the show finding it groove.
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Bunny Bean loves Uppa
April 29, 2020 at 9:36 PM
Oh! You have summarised is pretty well. I agree on the leads part as we are not given more details around their individual personalities and also together they are not doing any wonder except the last scene. Hehhe!! But the father of little Gon was definitely handsome... And we saw Shin Jae in the other world also.. I just hope that he is together with Luna here too. That would make things more interesting. One more thing, is it only me that felt that Luna was little scary??
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civilsecret
April 30, 2020 at 12:56 AM
Not only was the father handsome his seems like a good actor, would have been nice to keep him around, but oh well lol. I'm wondering if we will get to see how Shin Jae in Corea is like and I didn't think about him hanging with Luna, could be a possibility or maybe not. Lol no I found her a bit scary as well in the back of the car mirror.
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16 owlbooks
April 29, 2020 at 7:19 PM
That last scene though? Swoon-worthy! You could definitely see the chemistry between Tae-eul and Gon finally taking place!
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17 sitkarose
April 29, 2020 at 7:22 PM
Wait, what? Det Si-Jae’s mom in RoK is the mole in the bookstore in KoK? Thanks for the recap! Now onto Friday, please...
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18 Trinity 🍆
April 29, 2020 at 7:24 PM
I much preferred this episode. We got some plot progression! I also think I liked it more because the otp spent time away from each other. Plus, more chance to see hot bodyguard Hwannie in action. I don't blame LMH for only wanting Hwannie to look at his shoulder 😏 We all only want Hwannie (because he's the only reason everyone is watching this drama of course).
Was it just me or did we spend waaaaay too long on that library sequence. 🙄 I don't know how long it was but it felt like half the episode was that scene.
I am really glad KGE found out the truth so early on, and that she also crossed over to Corea. The ending and where it's going intrigued me enough to watch ep 5.
Thanks again @quirkycase for the recap! You manage to say exactly what I'm thinking but more eloquently.
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Bunny Bean loves Uppa
April 29, 2020 at 9:39 PM
For a moment I thought, Hwan won't be able to see Gon's bruises and wouldn't believe him again. But that's good he could see that too. Just hope it's not something as serious as Goblin's sward, as it almost killed Goblin. Pfft.
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civilsecret
April 30, 2020 at 12:58 AM
Not just you, I found the library sequence kind of long as well of them just staring. I'm like ok.... then.
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theTINYL
April 30, 2020 at 10:23 AM
I felt like the library scene was pretty true-to-life when it comes to sitting around in a library when you're not reading/studying/being distracted by your smart phone - excruciatingly boring.
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19 stn5
April 29, 2020 at 7:50 PM
What is the King's uncle is up to? He plan to take over the world so how he going to do that with establish monarchy & governing system? I think about all this murderer in the real world, I get the feeling that the King's uncle is slowly replacing key people in the alternate world with people from the real world who is loyal to him. He then dumps the murdered body of the alternate world people into the real world; like he did dumping his 'real-world self body' in the alternate world. Who the key person he's replacing? the royal court, the military, the government official etc. So when the time comes King's uncle makes his move against the King, he already has the army of support at his disposal
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zzthorn
April 29, 2020 at 8:34 PM
Oh my! That reminds me of some contemporary politics in a country we all know.
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20 bips99
April 29, 2020 at 8:04 PM
Where. Is. The. Background. Music. 😳😳😳
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Jonas
April 29, 2020 at 8:10 PM
I was about to write about that right now. But so your post so decided to post here.
It has one of the best OST called Orbit and probably one of the best OST i have heard like ever. You should check it out. By Hawsa - Orbit.
Gravity is also good but Orbit is probably one of the best OST of all times if not the best
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Mave
April 29, 2020 at 10:42 PM
Did you notice they never even put out a proper poster? Something about the whole production is lacking. The absence of BGM takes out the tension from the scenes.
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kimchiturka
April 29, 2020 at 10:56 PM
Finally! I thought it was just me (not) hearing things.
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21 WishfulToki
April 29, 2020 at 8:10 PM
AAAH That cliffhanger!! It took a while but I think the show is coming together now. Of course I don't have high expectations that the plot will be logical and I can't even remember all the faces that we catch significant glimpses of - like should I care about yo-yo boy or Grey Haired Ahjussi that now advises Prime Minister? (By the way, Grey Haired Ahjussi disappeared mysteriously in CHIEF KIM - now I know he went to a parallel world). In general though, I'm entertained so I have no complaints.
Except someone give Shin-jae a hug. My poor hurting boy. He's the main character, not a sidekick ok? We know more about him than our leads put together.
Ahem.
Serious stuff now.
@marcusnyc20 I remembered our conversation about Christianity in the kingdom and how that ties in to Gon's ancestry from Crown Prince Sohyeon. Sure enough, the funeral of this army commander's father was held in a church (though the priests should have been in black vestments, not white, but anyway).
I am starting to think that Evil Uncle's words at the opening of episode 1 have to do with this clash between legend and science: Gon and his father, like previous kings all the way to Crown Prince Sohyeon, possibly adopted Christianity and were into modern science. Uncle dubs them "non believers" and considers himself a keeper of pre-Sohyeon, pre-Christian mystical knowledge. Or at least that's what he thinks. His brother clearly remembered the legend of the sword, and was worried enough about the Manpasikjeok to be putting it away right before he died in ep. 1.
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kiara
April 29, 2020 at 11:19 PM
Lol when I saw the funeral being held in this beautiful Cathedral in Busan, I thought hurray the Catholics are no longer persecuted.
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WishfulToki
April 30, 2020 at 6:11 AM
Same LOL
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kiara
April 30, 2020 at 9:58 AM
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kiara
April 30, 2020 at 10:21 AM
Crown Prince Sohyeon <3. One of my unsung heros.
Thank you!
Paging @pakalanapikake
Where are you?
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WishfulToki
April 30, 2020 at 10:41 AM
She's probably recovering from serial killers shows ;)
The "what if" scenario of a parallel world where Sohyeon survived and became king is probably the most fascinating part of the show for me. There's a whole bunch of issues involved, like diplomacy with a Japan who never invaded, North & South are still united, old monuments and documents were not stolen or destroyed, etc. etc. I'm kind of excited about episode 5.
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wapz
April 30, 2020 at 10:54 AM
While I'm not a fan of her writing, I really appreciate KES's world building. She has done a great job with all the details in fictional Corea. Tying it back to Prince Sohyeon and making a totally different history out of it is remarkable.
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kiara
April 30, 2020 at 12:02 PM
Lol she needs to join us. "This is the way."
@wishfultoki
Does this mean that Gwanghae didn't get a chance to rule? I think Paka will not take this this well because he is one of her faves.
You know how we loathe on Joseon sageuks because of it's strict Confucian ideals and all the restrictions that comes with it?
This parallel world is a sigh of relief to watch. It's like the things that we had hoped to change is changing and some rules remains but it makes perfect sense.
The leads seems boring and serious on the surface but they made me laugh.
Pro-Busan Lee Gon has a lot to boast about his capital city. As a history fan and I'm easily impressed (please tell me more) but Tae-eul is as cynical as ever. She is also a cop and she needs solid evidence so I don't blame her.
LG: The king and queen stay in the main palace in Busan. In case you are curious.
Tae-eul : That's nonsense. Why would the king stay in Busan and not Seoul? I'm not curious.
I don't think Lee Gon "really" wanted to talk about the Battle of Busan in 1592 and General Yi's statue in Busan etc.
I like how he paused for a while because I think he was hoping she would be curious about why the king and queen are now living together in the same palace and may I add in the same room because that was not the case with the monarchs that Tae-eul would be familiar with.
He is also single, no queen no concubines. If this was Joseon he would have been married as early as 12 yrs old.
One thing that hasn't change is the king's birth name, (Lee Gon) was not to be known or used by anyone else except for the royal family.
Any thoughts on why he waited until they went through the portal to his own world before he told her?
My reasoning works in both worlds but I want his reason for waiting to make more sense.
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WishfulToki
April 30, 2020 at 2:49 PM
LOL @kiara. Maybe this means Gwanghae had a peaceful long life in the parallel world, maybe as a court historian or official in charge of the Daedong law. He would have been much happier. "I have spoken"
I also stopped eating my fried chicken to listen to Gon's lecture on Busan (like "give me more!!!) but I didn't get that he was hinting the king and queen live together now. Is this a long-winded nerdy way of saying "I'm single and available?"
No concubines and no teenage marriage. What a relief. Gon actually replied "this isn't Joseon" when his doctor uncle suggested the age-old "you need to produce an heir paeha!"
I don't quite know, but probably because he couldn't prove it (no ID) and she wouldn't have believed him. Also, his royal dignity would have been offended if his name was included in police records.
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kiara
April 30, 2020 at 11:00 PM
@wishfultoki
I much prefer that for Gwanghae too. He was also a book worm. I could picture him in his study writing books on foreign diplomacy for Crown Prince Sohyeon to read because Injo was hopeless. He should have been In'gun' instead.
I could listen to Lee Gon talk about his empire all day. I'm starting to be a Busan fangirl lol.
Thanks for answering my question. That makes the most sense. He knew his name would not be treated with respect outside of his own country and it's not for the public to know.
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bong-soo
May 2, 2020 at 8:51 PM
@wishfultoki,
Sorry for the delay. Like you I found Lee Gon's Kingdom of Corea history lecture to Tae-eul fascinating.
The funeral scene was quite interesting. It seemed to have taken place in the Catholic Cathedral (Bishop wearing mitre in the background). It brings into the drama Capt. Choe Gi-tae under whom Lee Gon served and seems to admire. I was thinking that if later things get tough with evil Uncle there may come a point that Lee Gon will need the backing of the military. (Although actor Jeon No-min (Captain Choe) is listed as appearing only in episodes 4 and 6. Still I don't think they would have invested so much in that scene for only a cameo.)
As far as vestments go, now white is appropriate. Black vestments are still used at a funeral where the traditional Latin Mass is said. The Bishop in vestments probably should have been the person at the main entrance as the King departed rather than the clerics in cassocks but that is me being a little picky.
I think before going onto episode 5 I will rewatch episode 4.
The business with the bookstores was a bit confusing.
I am not sure what is going on with Prince Lee Jong-in either.
Who made the decision about his family?
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kiara
May 3, 2020 at 12:09 PM
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kiara
May 3, 2020 at 12:10 PM
@bong-soo @wishfultoki
Thanks for explaining the mass tradition. I've only attended one in my life because a friend invited me.
I was going to comment on Jeon No-min and how my heart skipped a bit when he appeared as Major Choi.
He is one of those ahjussi's that makes every small roles count.
I'm sad that this is only cameo for him and hope that he'll have a bigger part in his next drama.
I hope this means that you will be joining us :).
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bong-soo
May 3, 2020 at 12:24 PM
Hi @kiara,
I will be with you for THE KING. I am enjoying it and looking forward to you and @wishfultoki's historical speculations. In a way you guys are giving me my sageuk fix.
(O/T lol let me just say this once and get it out of the way. I am sure there are some who when they hear the words The King do not immediately think of LMH but EAP of Graceland.) There I said the first and last time.
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WishfulToki
May 3, 2020 at 3:49 PM
Yay for joining us! The historical speculations are the best part :D
Lol on THE KING. I suddenly pictured Lee Min Ho in sparkly white tracksuit. The question is: can he play a guitar and sing?
kiara
May 3, 2020 at 8:38 PM
Yay! Now let's get Paka to join us :).
22 DHMRS
April 29, 2020 at 8:11 PM
I love this drama. I like how so many pieces are laid out one by one, and then slowly the strands that connect them are revealed (it was obvious from the start there would be a connection between her murder case the Lee Gon). They are making a feast and set out the ingredients first, and now we will start to see them mixed.
I feel like relationship development first makes more sense. There's no reason at all for her to be involved, to help him, to agree to go with him to this crazy parallel world, to even give him a chance to prove there's a parallel world if there's not a budding relationship there.
He wanted her in his world, desperately, and that's also why he had to keep pushing the information that he was not from her world, that there are parallel worlds, from the start. Honesty and a smidgen of mystery was his best policy.
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23 panshel
April 29, 2020 at 8:18 PM
I liked this episode. It feels like everything is finally starting to come together. Gon finally showing Tae-eul this parallel universe is more like it. Time for Tae-eul to be a fish out of water.
Yo-yo Boy's doppelgänger, Bicycle Boy, is cute. "A fierce scuffle with a suspect." He looked so apologetic. I thought Tae-eul's ID badge would fall through the sewer into Gon's world. (In Corea, the bookshop lady with Yo-yo Boy is Shin-jae's mother.)
I like Gon. He's nice. I resent the Kim Tan comparisons because Gon is not an ass. I loved his cheeky "You really are a liberal arts person" (Episode 3) and "Do you want me to hold your hand?" I was happy Yeong saw Gon's Harry Potter lightning bolt scars on his shoulder because now Yeong will believe him.
Also happy we finally saw Prime Minister Seo-ryung be professional and do her job. A big thanks for the recap, @quirkycase!
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skelly
April 29, 2020 at 8:50 PM
I agree about Gon's characterization; LMH is still a little too busy being pretty for my taste but at least he is displaying characteristics that set him apart from Tan and perhaps closer to General Choi Young from Faith.
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SuShin
April 29, 2020 at 9:56 PM
One quality of Gon that I admire the most is that he doesn't keep crucial information to himself. With people he trusts, Yeong & Tae-Eul, he equips and prepares them with the piece of information that they can refer to when the time comes. Though they might be seeing him as a wacko when they first hear it.
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wapz
April 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM
Lol I was sort of pissed off at the liberal arts dialogue, liberal arts people/students aren't dumb. It felt like it reiterated this age old belief.
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24 Sky robot
April 29, 2020 at 9:38 PM
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25 SuShin
April 29, 2020 at 9:45 PM
The library scene was depicted beautifully. There's a unique contrast between the two worlds our leads are in. But wouldn't it be more realistic if Tae-Eul would go searching Google about the alternate universe rather than reading in the library? HEE.
I feel like Shin-Jae's backstory has something to do with Rim. They're doing fine until one point, then went bankrupt, lost dad (?), and mom became a gambler. All seems connected to the main story.
(TMI, I think the gang leader is the one who tried to bribe Shin-Jae not his classmate whom he put in jail.)
There're lots of clues I missed out eg. the yo-yo boy, etc. At this point, everything seems to be important but I just don't know how.
And is it just me or the Kingdom scenes are being shown in more warn-tone, nostalgic-vibe atmosphere? While the Republic is in a more cool & modern tone?
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uzistar
April 30, 2020 at 1:43 AM
Hahaha yes, using Google is more realistic. Maybe she's trying to retrace Gon's steps while thinking hehe.
I also think Rim has something to do with Shin-jae's traumatic past. Still having nightmares means that it must have been a very bad experience, and we know how evil Rim is. Though I failed to recognize Shinjae's dad on the photo..like whether he was shown already. I think he could be significant also.
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SuShin
April 30, 2020 at 4:23 AM
I don't recognize his dad too. But I also can't catch up on a lot of things in this show. There're too many details that seem to be important.
Shin-Jae's encounter with Rim in the past must be when he saw the Corea Royal sign. It still bothers him but he doesn't know what it is exactly. Could his memory be somewhat altered?
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deathbychocolate
April 30, 2020 at 2:04 AM
As much as Google is easy and realistic, there are still a lot of things a complete book or a library can offer esp in cross referencing different materials, theories, etc.
Or maybe she’s just like me, one who still prefers reading physical books than ebooks. I get excited with smell of the new ones as well as the musky scent of the old ones. ^^
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26 deathbychocolate
April 29, 2020 at 9:55 PM
I’m really starting to pay attention. Hahahaha.
As much as I don’t like to admit it but I’m starting to see the tidbits of clues that were given here and there. Everything or every scene happens for a reason in this show.
For those complaining about LG attraction to TE, odd and I might be one of the minority on this but I get it. I get why he was attracted to her at first sight.
I’m loving the math here and that math confession, wow, I don’t know about you all but that carried a lot of weight for me and would have preferred that than any “I like you, let’s date”. I was laughing at the MSD joke as well. More math jokes please.
I’m loving the Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking glass integration. “OFF WITH THEIR HEADS” or “YOU’LL BE BEHEADED” as per LG. Hahahaha.
What I’m saying is, the show is interesting. Well at least , for me it is.
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Noname
April 29, 2020 at 10:31 PM
I think we might be on the same boat :D
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myCHOI
April 30, 2020 at 1:52 AM
Same boat, same page. LG gravitated to this person he has been fascinated about for 25 years. Think about that... Growing up, thinking about this person... counting the years till she is no longer a noona... theorizing about the whole future aspect of the ID (Nov 11, 2019) - wouldn't seeing her in the the flesh be a huge thing.
Am sure it is not romantic from the onset. But getting to know her a little bit more makes her more intriguing to him. And he has said it, he is impressed with her.
Plus the fact that she proves to be elusive. He is King. I bet he usually gets what he wants 99.99% of the time. Yet here is this character he has been fascinated about for all his life who not only despises him but is an anti-thesis of what he has imagined all this time. That's a lot more interesting that women who thirsts for him on a constant basis.
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27 mmmmm
April 29, 2020 at 10:37 PM
I’m ok given Maximus makes it to the end.
Go fabulous.
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Ruckus Likes Drama
April 30, 2020 at 1:39 AM
Did you find the little child actor from chocolate @mmmmm? Am i mistaken or is it true? Tell...
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mmmmm
April 30, 2020 at 1:53 AM
Dear @noone the last week was quite hectic for me, but can you perhaps tell me in which ep. you saw them? I’ll go to that ep right away and perhaps will be able to tell you about my opinion :)
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Ruckus Likes Drama
April 30, 2020 at 1:58 AM
Aww... i was just being excited :)
Dont hurry through things because of me. I can wait. Both episode 3 and 4 have the child.
Stay safe and hope you get sometime to smell the roses.
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MeiDramaDreams
April 30, 2020 at 6:29 AM
I saw her @noone
No wonder he/she looked familiar! ;)
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Ruckus Likes Drama
April 30, 2020 at 5:45 PM
Yay... i kept thinking and then it hit. Is the child a he or a she? Fits both the roles no? Also' if the director is good then she is awesome :)
At least she is cute. But yup the iron ranger could have been >OMG<
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MeiDramaDreams
April 30, 2020 at 6:29 PM
She is cute and doing great work. Almost didn’t recognize her, had to do a double take when she came onscreen. I wonder though why she isn’t listed in the cast.
28 Rumi~
April 29, 2020 at 10:45 PM
1. So the PM deals with political allies & agriculture etc other ministries.... & what does the King do? Order to investigate ppl with king email id.
2. Head court lady & old prince are an item.
3. Kings spidery senses wakes up late - 10 years ago even would have been a good time to question old prince about the autopsy - why wait till now?
4. How can the place that's supposed to have portraits of past kings & treasures of Corea be in such a derilict state? I know it was the place where the treason took place but still.
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Rumi~
April 29, 2020 at 11:17 PM
5. Why is detective Sin Jae (KKN) salary being cut because his mom gambles? Does SK have punish the family law? Or does a police officer have to pay for the crimes of their relatives?
6. Not a single mention of Royal mom - the Queen. KES mother complex is showing again
7. EP 3 & 4 were significantly better than episode 1 & 2. The scenery is beautiful but the transitions aren't done well
8. There should be some tonal difference between flashbacks & current time - for eg : sin jae taekwando past & King's instinct telling Yeong something doesn't add up.
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Rumi~
April 29, 2020 at 11:21 PM
9. Seo Jung Yeon is a really good actress. She does these frustrated scenes very well.
10. A dark room in this day & age? It's 2019 in the drama for God's sake. Is evil uncle a photography enthusiast?
11. Huh the FL is getting pangs for him now. I'm not finding it offensive after ep 3.
12. The royals are a bunch of classist elites & so are the royal employees.
13. The king is quite irresponsible. There I said it. The writer is doing him dirty, except for wanting to keep his power & running away , he doesn't seem to be doing any work.
14. Today I learned Busan is on seaside. Surprisingly I learned 2 things from the King. Didn't expect this.
15. The ost in ep 4 before the FL goes to Corea sounded a lot like mix of Goblins ost Stay with me & IU's love poem. Well it has released now - Gravity by Kim Jong Wan of Nell - Honestly he deserved better. Nell deserves way better. At least Hwasa & Zion.T got to sing original sounding osts.
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myCHOI
April 30, 2020 at 1:37 AM
Re 10. Dark room --> probably so it could be covert? If he have pix taken & developed commercially, some may get intrigued by what he is taking pictures of, esp if they are not from that world..
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Hye Mi
April 30, 2020 at 4:33 AM
I guess taking candid pictures of people with your mobile and print from a private printer at home would attract less attention than a classic camera :P
myCHOI
April 30, 2020 at 4:46 AM
It is probably the old school in him, being 70 yo and all hehe
WishfulToki
April 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM
Also, Evil Uncle is the artsy type. He likes to make his own paint remember? Time is not an issue for him since he's forever young. He'd be ok in lockdown.
Rumi~
April 30, 2020 at 9:46 PM
Hmm i dont buy that since digital photos aren't developed in dark rooms.... I do buy @wishfultoki 's hypothesis.
@maskros lol same!
mugyuljoie is preciousss
April 30, 2020 at 9:57 PM
#10, Can you be a legit serial killer without a dark room? Will he also have a creepy wall full of photos of his victims and victims-to-be?
#14, I now want Busan to have cute cable cars just like San Francisco.
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Rumi~
April 30, 2020 at 11:18 PM
#10 - he isn't getting his hands dirty personally all the time, do 3 murders by your hand count as serial?
According to Google :-
A serial killer is typically a person who murders three or more people, usually in service of abnormal psychological gratification, with the murders taking place over more than a month and including a significant period of time between them
We can argue that that he killed his step bro, his own doppelganger & nephew doppelganger in SK within the span of of month or maybe more, but a psychological urge seems to be missing.
#14 maybe it's just me but I think cable cars are overdone. I can't get the thought of a drama set in Busan now though. The pictures look so pretty.
WishfulToki
May 1, 2020 at 7:48 AM
I have a feeling he's killed more than 3 people... how did Republic step bro die by the way, if not killed by him? If Uncle is an artsy killer who can't easily be classified as a serial killer, that's even scarier.
Fly Colours
May 1, 2020 at 1:46 AM
Rep 2.: I would need to go back to ep 1 and check, but I think Lady Noh and Uncle Noh aren't an item, they're siblings.
I'd say they are Gon's father uncle and aunt (grandfather's siblings?). Still don't know why Uncle's family is in exile... But in sageuks, usually Princes are forced to leave the capital when they marry and form a family, probably because they could become too strong if they decided to bid for the throne, especially when there's still no crown prince
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
May 1, 2020 at 2:06 AM
Yes, they're in exile to take away the potential threat to Gon's power.
kiara
May 1, 2020 at 5:47 PM
I'm pretty sure they are not siblings. Lee Gon is probably calling Lady Noh aunt because she raised him.
In a Joseon setting, Lady Noh would not be working as a maid if she is a close relative of the king. She would have a Princess title if she is a sibling of Grand Prince Buyeong.
Lee Gon and Lee Jong-in (Buyeong's birth name) are both from the royal house of (Lee). Lady Noh would be from the Noh clan.
Uncle's family are in exile to prove his loyalty to the current king. It's not clear which side he is on and while Rim is on the lose, Lee Gon has a right to be concerned.
He also sense that something is not right with the autopsy.
Beverly
April 29, 2020 at 11:23 PM
I thought his salary was garnished to pay for loans, but I dont know. I mean in Full House friends sold her house. I'm not sure how everybody is able to access other people's money and items.
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Rumi~
April 29, 2020 at 11:38 PM
Oh. Good point. Maybe the senior detectives were making a pithy remark for a likely scenario. But it came across as if Sin Jae was being fined or punished again instead of being in the same predicament.
_ Didn't they all get their salary in that scene?
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Beverly
April 29, 2020 at 11:58 PM
I'm not sure, I'd have to watch it again.
Though the fact that Full House is my reference point I may not be the best at researching this.
flatwhite
April 29, 2020 at 11:30 PM
1. May be the King is a constitutional monarch who reigns but doesn't rule Kingdom of Corea.
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Rumi~
April 29, 2020 at 11:35 PM
It didn't look like that from the weekly report scenes. Seems like he's supposed to be more than a figurehead.
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flatwhite
April 30, 2020 at 12:04 AM
I watched The Queen, a series of British Monarch, Queen Elizabeth. So, I didn’t find any questions regarding the King’s authority or duties (for example, weekly reports) in this drama. Hope we will get more answers in coming episodes.
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kiara
April 30, 2020 at 12:40 AM
He was trying to explain it to Tae-eul in eps 3 while they were eating chicken at the BBQ restaurant.
If you listen closely, his subjects address him as pyeha (emperor).
In Lee Gon's world, there is no North and South Korea. He called it Northern and Southern regions because it's just one big country.
Lee Gon also mentioned that his world has 3 capital cities. Busan (cultural capital), Seoul (central government), Pyongyang (economic capital).
In Tae-eul's world, Busan and Seoul (capital) are in South Korea where she is from and Pyongyang is the capital of North Korea.
Lee Gon may live in Busan but he has authority over all of the other capital cities ( the whole country). I believe that is why he is being called pyeha, the emperor.
Some may find their conversation boring but that was my favorite part from the last episode.
Rumi~
April 30, 2020 at 11:09 PM
Hmm hopefully.
kiara
April 30, 2020 at 12:05 AM
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bong-soo
May 3, 2020 at 2:24 PM
I am still trying to get a handle on the political situation in the Kingdom of Corea.
If there is a constitutional monarchy then the King would have very little to do politically other than sign the enacted laws of the parliament. There would not be a President elected directly by the people as is now the case in the ROK.
So (I surmise) in the Kingdom there is a type of parliamentary system where MPs represent a constituency (or district). The Prime Minister would not be directly elected (other than as an MP to her own district) and would be chosen by the other MPs as the PM.
Here is where it got kind of screwy to me. The showdown with other MPs over the pay raise (in itself a rather odd issue). If there was pay raise legislation, well someone must have proposed it. Wouldn’t that been the current Government ie the PM? The MPs should have had the upper hands not Prime Minister Goo Seo-rung. They could have threatened to retract their support for her as Prime Minister if she opposed her own Government’s legislation.
I may have it all wrong. Still trying to figure things out.
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Rumi~
May 4, 2020 at 5:42 PM
The impression I got was that the PM was elected by the people, & then she set up a parliament .
Again I got the impression that's she was the one who proposed an increase in salary to keep the cabinet in line but due to her ratings taking a dip she changed her mind. I think King paying taxes for their first time& foresight due to war with Japan issue had something to do with it.
__ But now your suggestion seems more plausible that someone else proposed the pay rise & so the party should have the upper hand. It's possible though that the PM won as an independent candidate & later joined the party to further her political career. If she won on her own & not as a representative of a party then she'd hold the chips to everything .
She could just be allied to the party with both sides using each other for their gain.
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29 Fatcat007 (Kitty 💜)
April 29, 2020 at 10:49 PM
Oh to be picked up by a royal LMH onto a white horse & gallop into another world through a portal 😍😍😍
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Fatcat007 (Kitty 💜)
April 29, 2020 at 10:51 PM
I'm not worrying too much about the plot or working of the universe. More importantly the last scene had me whipped 😍😍😍
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30 amruta1009
April 29, 2020 at 11:09 PM
I don't know why I felt nothing much this episode. I don't love it, I don't hate it. People are talking about the music but I didn't notice anything at all. I am in the minority but this episode felt slow to me. And neither did the last 5 minutes interest me much. I think I can blame a little on my mood I guess.
What I did like about this episode was Tae Eul finding out the truth. And Young being shown more and that I could see more expressions. Shin Jae is the only one fleshed out enough. But what about everyone else? I hope things become better.
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
April 30, 2020 at 10:01 PM
I'm interested now that Tae Eul has found that he's telling the truth. I have no expectations of where this will go so I won't be too disappointed.
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31 flatwhite
April 29, 2020 at 11:24 PM
Well, I found myself trying hard to like this show in ep 1-3. And I agree with opinions like the script and directing being the reason for awkward acting, since i find the casts trying to act up to the script. But, still, ep 4 made me wait for another week to watch ep 5 and 6, hopefully they'll pick up the pace.
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32 Lemira
April 29, 2020 at 11:24 PM
I wasn't too sure about this show after the first two episodes, but after watching the most recent two episodes, I'm hooked. I think the writer just tried to set too much up in the first couple of episodes where she should have been moving the plot a little faster. Now things really seem to be moving and I'm excited. I actually love Lee Min Ho in this role and *don't hate me* I like Kim Go Eun here even better than in Goblin.
I have to admit, though, I'm also having a hard time keeping some of the characters straight and remembering which world we're in. I may regret not binge-watching this one, since little details that are probably going to be important for a drama like this are easily forgotten in between episodes.
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33 uzistar
April 30, 2020 at 12:33 AM
Aaah finally it's starting to get exciting!
I'm glad that Tae-ul began considering Lee Gon's statements after he left. That's true to her character as a critical cop who keeps on reevaluating evidence. And I like that we got to see her and LG have an actual conversation in the flashback.
Poor Shin-jae, he seems to be going through a lot. His nightmares and knowledge of Corea's symbol could mean that he's been a victim of Lee Rim aww.
I dunno, the PM annoys me. Though it's sad that even in a parallel universe, women are looked down upon because they also care about their looks.
The old Prince, as well as Court Lady No, seems to know something..
But I'm a bit confused about the time stopping in Corea. From the 2nd ep. we already knew that time stops when someone's crossing the portal. I thought that it only happens when the (half) flute holder is outside his original world and the other one is crossing (any direction) . But now, LG observed it in his Kingdom? If he hasn't observed it before despite Rim going back and forth, then does that mean that LG crossing activated that ability to witness the time stopping?
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uzistar
April 30, 2020 at 12:56 AM
Also, now I know why LG likes it when Tae-ul ties her hair haha. I honestly thought he just likes how she looks while tying.
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uzistar
April 30, 2020 at 1:12 AM
And it was a cute little nerd moment when Gon measured time by reciting the digits of a constant hahaha
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34 Slice-of-Life Dramatics
April 30, 2020 at 12:39 AM
Finally. This episode finally made me feel like things are picking up the pace, and is keeping me intrigued, acting chops aside.
Thank you for the recaps! I actually missed the part about the yo-yo boy being the same boy who knocked her ID pass into the drain, and that the recording on the murder victim's phone was linked to the uncle prince. Now that just adds another layer of mystery. I do hope the writing keeps up, with so many elements out there, to tie all loose ends to make sense at the end of it.
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35 Kurama
April 30, 2020 at 12:49 AM
For me, this drama lacks in 3 things :
- LMH's acting : he saw his Dad being killed, he became King very young, he has a lot of responsabilities, he's smart, etc. But in LMH's acting, I can't see the depth of his character. He's just the usual rich guy with a ton that should sound royal but sounds boring and monotonous.
-LMH and KGE's chemistry : for me, there is no romance for now. He's curious about her because her police id card is a piece for his mysterious savior. For her, he says weird things but in the same time he sounds pretty sane. But there is no sparks between them, their bickering sounds as "I follow the script". Even the last scene didn't make me feel giggling.
-The OST : where are the Warrior Song for the Goblin, With a Flame for Mr Sunshine's Go Ae Shin? Beautiful songs for great characters!
In this episode, we didn't learn more about the 2 worlds, just more questions : the time stopping, the pain and the thunder, the little boy with the yoyo, the connection between Jo Eun Sup / Jo Young, the weird recording of KOC news on the phone.
Shin Jae and the Prime Minister don't have counterpart in the other world. But Shin Jae has nightmares, his mum looks pretty shady in the both worlds and he knows the KOC logo. So I'm expecting more about him. Honestly, it would have been funny that he was the savior of Lee Gon :p
KKN is really shining in this drama. I was expecting that from WDH but for now none of his characters are developped... One is stoic, the other one is cheerful.
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amruta1009
April 30, 2020 at 12:52 AM
Yes many of these are the same thoughts I have. Also agree about WDH. I expected more.
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Zora
April 30, 2020 at 8:59 AM
Agree! I rewatched episodes 1- 2 but couldn’t get pass the 3rd episode :(
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36 kayra
April 30, 2020 at 1:12 AM
I wonder if Luna is actually Tae-ul from a fee years ahead who time traveled to the kingdom to perhaps stop some calamity. I don't see a doppelganger for female lead working in this setting.
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Ruckus Likes Drama
April 30, 2020 at 1:51 AM
From the character description:
Luna is team lee Rim. Will die in 3 months as has cancer.
From interviews: lee min ho says she is dangerous, kim go eun says she is a stray cat.
From the drama we know she has no id, an orphan, homeless ppl like appearance + commits small crimes.
I want to see what she brings to the table :)
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37 myCHOI
April 30, 2020 at 1:59 AM
>"Na-ri makes Eun-seob an ice latte, but he drops it and bafflingly yelps,
>“Hot!” Simultaneously, Yeong drops a hot cup of coffee in the kingdom."
Could the King's pronouncement for Eunsob to be the Unbreakable Sword in ROK be the trigger for this connection to happen - whenever the portal is open?
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38 Frenchmarmot
April 30, 2020 at 2:47 AM
Globally, the episode was a snoozefest for me... except the last 5 min who actually managed to get me on board for next episode :) hopefully finally plot will move a little faster !
I still feel the romantic connection is forced, especially on Tae-Eul's part, it's way too soon.
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39 Edgar Pordwed
April 30, 2020 at 3:10 AM
Like everyone else, I found the 4th episode the best so far. Paused only once to look up Garaettoek Day. Whoa how did they both have the twin lion toys? Must be a free gift from the fried chicken place! :P
Shin-Jae's mother and the bookstore messenger is same. We don't know her connection with the yo-yo kid right? What if Shin-jae is the time travelling yo-yo kid? The yo-yo kid in Tae-ul's world did spend a long time apologizing for dropping her badge. If not then Shin-jae are related in some way, maybe brothers?
Why did Gon decide to go back to the parallel world then? 1 minute hes in pain and then he just gallops away to her world. Also why was Jung Tae-eul being so weird about the reason for losing her badge? She kept claiming she was fighting a suspect. It's ok if you just drop it right? Strange but just wondering about these two points.
When they were going through the door I really thought for a second they failed and they were still in Tae-eul's world!
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growingbeautifully
April 30, 2020 at 3:46 AM
@edgarpordwed
Oh, your idea that the stuffed lion keychain or whatever it was came from the chicken place sounds plausible. I wondered why they both had it.
I believe that the reason that LG decided to rush back to TE's world and call her was because he experienced the pain in his shoulder. He is also not aware of what the pain signifies, and was suddenly wondering if she too might be not OK. He ran back there to check on her and seeing her fine, he was about to return immediately.
As for the badge ... it could be that there's a stigma attached to losing that civil service badge or police ID. One is not supposed to be without it or to have a very good reason to lose it. So she lied for the reason. LOL
I've heard and got a speculation about the yo-yo kid, but as it's wild, I'm keeping it for now. 😅
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Edgar Pordwed
April 30, 2020 at 7:54 AM
Thanks Growingbeautifully! I would love to read your theory! But it sure seems like a deliberate move that would lead to Tae-ul having to issue a new badge right? It could be from the good or bad side.
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kiara
April 30, 2020 at 7:59 AM
"I would love to read your theory!"
Me too :).
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40 growingbeautifully
April 30, 2020 at 3:26 AM
Thanks @quirkycase
Universe Collision?
I'm guessing that once both halves of the flute have gone through the portal to the parallel universe, interesting things start to happen.
One of those things might be that the space-time of the universes start to collide in little places. That might account for how Eun Sub's ice latte feels piping hot to him, just as his parallel, Jo Yeong spills his hot coffee.
The other thing I've begun noticing is that when it rains in ROK Seoul rain also falls in KOC Busan.
Since LG first went through the portal, time has started to stand still, whereas, there was no sign of that before when Lee Lim/Rim went through by himself.
More later ...
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kiara
April 30, 2020 at 8:07 AM
Tae-eul also saw Luna on her rear view mirror when Lee Gon went through the portal for the first time.
More please :).
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growingbeautifully
April 30, 2020 at 9:25 AM
Yup! that was the first time I think that we saw 'real' "universe collision" as I call it for want of a better word. I almost forgot! Thanks @kiara!
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myCHOI
April 30, 2020 at 10:45 PM
Am also thinking it has something to do with LG jumping the divide. Cos LG was running after Luna at that point, right? Perhaps, she jumped with him.
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growingbeautifully
April 30, 2020 at 10:12 AM
The minute the flashback of conversations was shown, I knew that we'd connect better with our main characters. I especially liked how LG described himself, when TE asked him what kind of King he was.
For all that he feels entitled to as King, he is still reasonable, suitably humble and real when he describes himself as a rower, a mathematician, a well-grown orphan and the owner of the Four Tiger Sword.
I like that he is always measured and truthful. He doesn’t have much of a sense of humour, but is not above teasing and playing a joke on his friends.
He also said that he is: “The kind of King who has never been asked such a question and is trying his best not to panic.”
I felt that his panic was due to the fact that he had never been questioned in that way by anyone before, but he had to give a good answer to TE. TE had asked him what kind of King he was, asking if he was young, handsome etc… He felt that he had to justify himself, that he wasn’t just a pretty face.
Above all, the one person whom he wanted the approval of, was TE, but she was skeptical and rude towards him. He felt pressured to give her an answer that would impress her, and do away with her bad opinion of him, after admitting that he, himself had been impressed by her (for choosing to be brave). Therefore, he panicked.
like this rather stiff, young King, who after the traumatic events of his childhood, seems to have got it together. No self-pity or neediness, no drinking (as in wine, women and song) or weird habits. He exercises, taking care of his health. He is under no illusions about what his title entails, and although he has no choice, he accepts his role without complaint, and carries out most of his work responsibly, until he decides to disappear.
He is sensible, thinks on his feet, does not depend on advisors and has an affectionate nature. I like his calm and almost detached thinking and how he gets into action once he has made a decision.
I like that he remembered to speak to Yeong as a friend and that he hugged OCL and apologised properly.
When he told off PM Koo, he did so with aplomb and dignity, without histrionics.
I like that when it occurred to him that the pain in his shoulder might auger ill in ROK, he rushed over to check on JTE, not forgetting to bring something in repayment for the ones who had helped him before in ROK. He is consistent, reliable, trust worthy, intelligent and confident. That oozes loads of charm right there.
So I like Lee Gon the character quite a lot!
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kiara
April 30, 2020 at 11:43 PM
Love this!
I've become a Busan fangirl thanks to pyeha lol.
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41 Fly Colours
April 30, 2020 at 3:54 AM
Lady Noh's the best! And the secretary eyeing Boyoung when Gon says that he's seen a prettier face... I feel you, Secretary-nim! That's the prettiest face in the Empire, for sure
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kiara
April 30, 2020 at 11:44 PM
Lady Noh is the only woman that Lee Gon is indebted to. Everyone else should be put in their place.
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42 Hye Mi
April 30, 2020 at 4:23 AM
Hi does anyone care to explain to me why the PM said Gon is indebted to her? I get that she's posing a problem for him to solve, but I can't understand what she thinks Gon owes her for.
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growingbeautifully
April 30, 2020 at 9:39 AM
@maskros Hye Mi, I wrote a long piece on this because I wanted to unravel the possible thoughts and motives behind those words and LG's words too. I've seen another interpretation from mine, but I'll just give you mine.
Sorry... it's loooooooong.
Truthfully, I was trying to understand the nuances in that spate of words he tossed at PM Koo. Don’t think I’ve actually got a handle on them, but I was thinking of trying to decipher them, and you’ve given us the chance!
PM Koo : I didn’t come to report. I came to see if you were missing. I’m glad I came. (Her expression becomes serious, even a bit grim). You’re indebted to me now, your Majesty.
(She gives a self satisfied smirk) Good luck with solving this one. [as in good luck solving this puzzle of him having to owe her something.]
[Before going into what the King says, I was questioning what she thinks she did that he owes her anything at all. How does her turning up at the palace help him in anyway – except that she might mean, that even if he hadn’t been there, her very act of visiting the palace would have dispelled rumours that he wasn’t there].
LG : PM Koo, let me tell you something. I didn’t want to offend you, but this won’t sound pleasant.
LG : ‘Every moment of my life is the history of the kingdom of Corea.’ – [We often think of history as a recording of the past, especially of significant parts of the past that we wish to remember and refer to. Our current lives and decisions are continually becoming history and determining the history of the future.
The word is also made up of his + story. Since we are dealing with the King here, we are watching The King’s/His Story unfold.
Because he is the King, everything he does/doesn’t do… his whole life affects the country. His Story is also the Country’s Story. His life = the History of the Kingdom of Corea.]
‘And I want this history to last forever because I am the king of this country.’ – [He is tying his life story together with the country’s story. It’s as if he says, as long as he lives, the Kingdom has a story. He wants the Kingdom to have a long history or a forever history, so the King has to live long or forever.
Or conversely, he wants to live forever. Of course the kingdom will continue even if he dies, but he does not want to consider that. If that happens, then without him, it won’t be the His + Story of Corea.]
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growingbeautifully
April 30, 2020 at 9:39 AM
‘But it will require much more than my benevolence.’ – [This was in reference to her saying that he owed her. She had barged in and broken protocol. She was actually at fault. By rights she could be punished, but the King hadn’t demurred at her bad behaviour. He was being benevolent and polite so far.
But at the words that he owed her, he is making it clear that he had done much more than accorded her benevolence (kindness) in not punishing her. His normal response should have been ‘Off with her head’. By pardoning her he was being a lot more than just benevolent, but even merciful, just, patient, generous, etc as well.]
‘So I can never be indebted to you.’ – [What she had done was so far beneath what was right or helpful to him, was so much in contradiction to what he wanted (ie to be left in peace without her), that he owed her nothing. In fact, she owed him her life, since he could have had her beheaded.
She was arrogant enough to think she could treat him as an equal, as if he needed a favour from her. LG was disabusing her of this self-deception. And hinting that she owed him big time.]
Or … another take on this … If we take these parts together And I want this history to last forever because I am the king of this country. But it will require much more than my benevolence. – [I want Corea (and its history) to last forever and for this to happen, I can’t be just a benevolent king. When punishment and harshness are due, I have to mete it out. It’s not that you’ve gotten away with doing something praiseworthy, it’s just that I choose not to take issue with you. But it won’t be the case the next time.]
‘So I can never be indebted to you.’ – [Next time I won’t even owe you the punishment you deserve. You will be punished.]
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Hye Mi
May 2, 2020 at 12:09 AM
@growingbeautifully Wow thank you so much for having putting all of this in words. I really appreciate it! Your insight into Lee Gon's biting reply to the PM's arrogant remark is truly eye-opening! I really enjoyed reading your take on his reply, which I think makes perfect sense (and which I agree with more than Bitchesoverdrama's take on the same lines).
I'm still left in the dark as to the PM's claim that the King was indebted to her, but I'll count it as her attempt to attract his attention and to make an impression on him (albeit not a very good one I think :P)
Again thank you so much for taking the time to reply to me! Would love to read your take on the story again in the future!
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growingbeautifully
May 2, 2020 at 8:30 AM
You're welcome @maskros It was nice to be able to post my thoughts here as well! :-D
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43 Fly Colours
April 30, 2020 at 4:32 AM
Seoryumg is baaaad! That shove she gave Lady Noh, that's rude and reckless, how stupid of her if she's really intent on seducing Gon!
I'm having loads of fun with this drama, but I'm not happy with the PM character. In spite of her good comebacks to her crusty cabinet, she acts dim most of the time. The reason for her to blackmail the other politician is really because he mocked her looks? Could she be pettier? I'm ok with evil - I actually appreciate very much evil female characters, but they need to be SMART! Couldn't they give her a political reason?
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kiara
April 30, 2020 at 12:33 PM
Why can't she be a little more like the real life Minister Kang Kyung-wha? This is 2019.
She would give Tae-eul a run for her money and a worthy contender for the queen's position.
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44 myCHOI
April 30, 2020 at 4:50 AM
Can anyone explain why when TE lost her ID, she referred to her assessment, promotion, etc...? How is that tied to losing an ID? As in she will be penalized for it? Cause her to lose a promotion? Am not Korean so am not familiar with the protocols. Thanks!
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MeiDramaDreams
April 30, 2020 at 6:38 AM
Maybe it would be seen as being irresponsible and therefore not befitting of a higher rank? Just my guess.
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myCHOI
May 1, 2020 at 6:28 AM
Thanks!
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45 theTINYL
April 30, 2020 at 10:27 AM
I just can't wait for the musical episode where Lee Rim finally gets to belt out his own rendition of "Be Prepared".
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46 JillofAllTrades
April 30, 2020 at 12:48 PM
I cannot agree more to this :
"And I just have to give a shoutout to the amazingly expressive Kim Young-ok as Ok-nam. I could watch her make faces at people all day, especially when she’s irritated. The woman has the best stink eye around. I also love her dramatics, like bemoaning how Gon will miss her funeral if he keeps leaving. She uses whatever’s at her disposal, and I’m here for it. Besides Shin-jae, she’s the only character I feel particularly attached to. I mean, how can you not appreciate a tiny old lady who can make grown men cower with the mere power of her gaze."
I love that actress in whatever she does but when she does comedy...
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47 WishfulToki
April 30, 2020 at 3:18 PM
Can someone help me clarify the timeline of this episode?
Episode 1 started with Evil Uncle being interviewed at the police station in 2020. Episode 4 is set in October 2019 Republic of Korea, right? It's autumn. I see golden leaves. Tae-eul was pretty sure her ID would be issued weeks before Gon's predicted 11/11/2019 date.
Lo and behold, her ID is issued with an 11/11 date. How did that happen? How did we get to November so fast?
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Beverly
April 30, 2020 at 3:25 PM
They did not show or give a sense of the passage of time at all. The was a total "Wait. What?" moment for me when she got her card and I realized weeks had passed.
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WishfulToki
April 30, 2020 at 4:13 PM
Good to know I'm not the only one who was left going "wait. what?"
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myCHOI
April 30, 2020 at 10:40 PM
The time of passage was indicated when TE got the messages from the burner phone. The officer apologized that it took them more than 2 weeks because of difficulties with the service provider.
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Beverly
April 30, 2020 at 11:16 PM
Yes they told us more than 2 weeks had passed by, but it didnt feel like it. Maybe if she'd lost her badge at the start of the ep. But just a little quibble.
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WishfulToki
May 1, 2020 at 7:38 AM
Ah, thanks.
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48 Viviene
April 30, 2020 at 6:02 PM
I love the storyline of this drama, it's context demands an indepth understanding and really mind twisting. LEE MIN HO's expertise as an actor really outshines! I'm craving to see the succeeding episodes!
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49 dreamy
April 30, 2020 at 11:01 PM
" I seriously wish the worlds had some visibly distinguishing features."
My thoughts exactly! It's kinda hard to keep up if they keep on like this throughout the series.
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anonymous
May 1, 2020 at 1:13 AM
They use warmer tones for Corea and cooler tones for Korea. It reminds me of Extraordinary You lol. The contrast was most clearly shown in the library scene where they juxtaposed Gon and Taeeul reading in their own version of the library.
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blessingwind
May 1, 2020 at 4:59 AM
Yh. Noticed that too. But after 4 long episodes i think i was able to grasp that i my mind. But really there should be some more differential features in later episodes.
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50 Jerrypee
May 1, 2020 at 1:54 AM
So So true about kim youngok grandma, the woman, I love her so much and me too shinjae deserve happiness pls, don't make him go Rim side, he's precious. Love the look on oknam face pwahhaha
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