100 Days My Prince: Episode 8
by LollyPip
This drama may be full of plot holes and inconsistencies, but there’s still something about it that holds my affection, much like Hong-shim’s growing affection for her grumpy-yet-endearing amnesiac prince. I don’t really care that some plot points are murky and contrived when the characters are this lovable, and their reactions to their situations so earnest. This episode is particularly sweet, as Yul starts making his feelings known and Hong-shim, though she tries to fight it, can’t help but respond. How could she, when he keeps looking at her like that with those big, love-filled puppy eyes?
EPISODE 8 RECAP
Yul arranges to meet Hong-shim at the field, excited to give her a pair of pretty shoes he bought her. She arrives upset, having just learned from Dad that not only is Yul not Won-deuk, but that he doesn’t know who Yul is.
Neither of them are aware that Moo-yeon followed Yul, having figured out who he is. He aims an arrow at Yul, and Hong-shim sees it flying towards him. Her expression alerts Yul, who flings them both to the ground. He assumes that Master Park sent more thugs after them and wants to lead them away, but Hong-shim begs, “Stay by my side.”
King Neungseon reels at the news that Crown Princess So-hye is pregnant. Minister Kim explains that she’s known for a while now, and his sidekicks argue that Queen Park and Prince Seowon need to be punished for placing the cursing talisman and almost ending the king’s direct line of succession.
Minister Jung stalls for time by suggesting a royal physician examine the crown princess. But Minister Kim challenges King Neungseon to act swiftly, and when he asks for time to make such a huge decision, Minister Kim reminds him that it only takes an instant to lose the people’s support.
Queen Park and her loyal ministers wrack their brains for a way to avert this disaster (setting a mountain on fire as a distraction, really?). The queen suspects that So-hye is lying about her baby being Yul’s, since everyone knows they were on bad terms, and Minister Jung warns that just speaking those words could get them all killed.
Je-yoon is tied up in a storage room somewhere, taunting his captor to show their face. When his half brother, Minister Jung, walks in, Je-yoon frees one hand and throws dirt in his face, asking if he plans to kill him. Minister Jung says he’d have killed him already if that was his plan, and tells Je-yoon that he’s been used by Minister Kim in his plans to depose the queen.
Je-yoon isn’t sorry if the queen did order Yul’s murder, but Minister Jung insists she didn’t, nor did he have any part in it. Je-yoon jokes that Minister Jung kidnapped him to plead his innocence, and asks for an official uniform and a palanquin.
Yul and Hong-shim huddle in the field for safety, and Yul seems to enjoy Hong-shim’s worried nagging. He takes off her straw sandals and tosses them away, and when nobody shoots at them, he stands and pronounces the danger over. Hong-shim complains about her lost shoes, then looks down to see Yul kneeling by the brand-new fancy pair he bought her.
He says sweetly that one day, he’ll buy her a pair with her favorite cherry blossoms. Hong-shim slides the shoes on reverently, and Yul grins when they fit perfectly. Feeling guilty, Hong-shim says she has a confession, but Yul stops her, saying, “I know you were born into a noble family.”
Startled, Hong-shim loudly denies it, but Yul knows she can read and knew about the royal inspector. He brings up her changing dialect, and when Hong-shim continues to make excuses, he says gently that he doesn’t mind learning these things about her.
She explains that she’s worried Master Park will keep harassing them, but Yul says he has a plan. He closes his eyes and drinks in the breeze, enjoying the smell of the barley. He says that he may have forgotten their past, “But I will never forget this moment.” Awww, sweetness swoon.
Moo-yeon is still nearby, but he just watches his sister with the man whose death is supposed to free him, looking conflicted.
Je-yoon sparks some suspicion when he shows up at the palace in a palanquin, but the guards let him in. He visits the royal library and reads the records of the royal secretary. He finds notes regarding the king’s decision not to attend the rain ceremony and Yul’s objections to being sent instead.
Knowing that Minister Kim suggested sending Yul to the ceremony, Je-yoon guesses that Minister Kim ordered Yul’s assassination. He takes the real note from Yul to Minister Kim, and Minister Kim sees that it contains only the hanja character for “to follow.” He asks if Je-yoon is angling for a title or a fortune, but Je-yoon says he just wants to work for Minister Kim.
When Hong-shim and Yul arrive back at the inn, they find Dad worried about them, and Yul fibs that they visited a doctor because Hong-shim was worried about his injured arm. He asks for dinner, and grins when Dad orders soup for him.
Dad privately asks Hong-shim if she told Yul the truth, and she says she’s decided not to. Dad assures her that she can come clean when his memory inevitably returns. She feels bad for ignoring him when he used to say he didn’t feel like Won-deuk, and wants to help him recover his true memory.
Meanwhile, Yul wonders what to do about the attempt on his life. Gu-dol and Kkeut-nyeo bring leftover snacks from the village’s celebration of the magistrate’s removal. Gu-dol barks at Yul to follow him, and after they’re gone, Kkeut-nyeo notices Hong-shim’s beautiful new silk shoes. She turns green with envy over Hong-shim’s luck at having a pretty husband who gives her pretty gifts.
In secret, Gu-dol gives Yul some pilfered wine that’s supposed to boost his… er, prowess in bed. Yul says that he and Hong-shim don’t have that kind of relationship, horrifying Gu-dol with the fact that they even sleep in different rooms. He blames Yul for the fact that they still haven’t gotten rain even after everyone got married.
On their walk home, Gu-dol and Kkeut-nyeo run into Moo-yeon, who asks them about the people they visited at the inn. He’s surprised to learn that they’re married and that Yul lost his memory, but he declines to go see Yul when Gu-dol suggests a familiar face might jog his memory.
Yul sits outside Hong-shim’s room, thinking about Gu-dol’s surprise that he hasn’t bedded his wife. He stands like he’s going to go in, but Hong-shim comes outside to say she’s set out some of the food their friends brought for him. He seems unfamiliar with rainbow rice cakes, so Hong-shim asks what food he does remember. He says he remembers liking meat pancakes, but not where he ate them before his accident.
Hong-shim says she’s going to her father’s room to eat and talk with him. Yul tells her to enjoy herself, because, “Tonight is the last night you will sleep in his room.” RAWR.
Moo-yeon returns to his men and tells them to go back to the city and let him handle this assignment alone. They want to make sure they’ve truly found the crown prince, but Moo-yeon says, “My sister… the woman he’s with is my sister.”
On Minister Jung’s advice, Queen Park dresses in plain white and begs the king tearfully to spare her son, even if it means she has to drink poison. Prince Seowon tries to stop her, but she makes a show of saying this is all her fault. King Neungseon tells his eunuch that he’s leaving the palace.
Minister Kim destroys Je-yoon’s letter from the crown prince, and he grumbles angrily when someone enters his quarters without permission. It turns out to be the king, dressed in common clothing. The king confesses that he abandoned Yul’s mother, thinking it the only way to protect Yul, but that his actions caused him to lose his son, too.
He says he wants to drop the investigation into Yul’s death, even if it means the queen and Prince Seowon get away with it, but he doesn’t want to abandon his wife and son a second time. Minister Kim says that the people won’t respect him if he’s soft on his family members, but the king snaps that he’s aware that Minister Kim is the one stirring up the people.
When Minister Kim asks why he would do that, King Neungseon says, “Why did you not become king yourself, then? Why did you have me take the throne instead?” He refuses to depose Queen Park and Prince Seowon, and promises to make So-hye’s child his legitimate grandson if it’s a boy. But Minister Kim asks calmly, “Do you think that’s all I want?”
While cleaning up the magistrate’s residence, Town Official Park pulls the arrow from the wall where Yul shot it. He picks up a dropped ledger and notices that Won-deuk’s full name is Na Won-deuk, which startles him for some reason.
Unseen, Yul picks up the discarded arrow and uses it to shoot a message at Master Park’s house, grumbling that with his injured arm, he might “accidentally” shoot Master Park himself. The message warns Master Park not to hire thugs to bully people again, and it’s signed Royal Inspector Heo Man-shik.
After enjoying Master Park’s terrified reaction, Yul tells Hong-shim that he wants to go home. They head to the cottage to clean up, and they find the neighbors already working on it. Town Official Park tells Yul to make glue for the new wallpaper, and he insists that Hong-shim go with him.
Minister Kim reports to the king that the scholars have stopped protesting and the ministers have agreed not to mention deposition again. He says that in exchange, he wants the royal seat, and the king asks if he means the throne.
While everyone works to repair Hong-shim and Yul’s cottage, the loan shark, Ma-chil, shows up to collect Yul’s debt. He grabs Hong-shim, saying that the boat is ready to take her away, but she pushes him off her. Ma-chil raises his arm to strike her, but Yul rushes over and punches him in the gut.
Ma-chil topples over, and Yul tells Town Official Park that since the magistrate is gone, this is his job to handle. But Gu-dol yells that Ma-chil isn’t breathing, and suddenly this becomes a murder case.
Minister Kim presents the king with a blank scroll and tells him to stamp it with the royal seal. He says he’ll use it when he decides what he wants from the king, but he reassures Neungseon that if he wanted the throne, he’d have taken it ten years ago.
Both Dad and Hong-shim try to take the blame for Ma-chil’s death, but Town Official Park ties Yul’s hands and leads him away. When they’re alone, Yul insists he didn’t hit the loan shark hard enough to kill him, and that he purposely avoided a vital point. He thinks that Ma-chil died from hitting his head, which would make this a simple accident.
They run across the restaurant ajumma (her name is Mi-geum), who says she’s bringing food for the people working on the cottage. She tells Town Official Park and Yul to come back and eat, and Yul is incredulous when Town Official Park leads him right back home.
At the cottage, a shocked Hong-shim says she needs to see Yul, because there’s so much she hasn’t said to him. But suddenly Ma-chil grabs her ankle and gives her a huge grin.
Town Official Park and Yul return to find everyone standing in the yard, looking very serious. Suddenly they start clapping and singing Happy Birthday… those brats, this was all a set-up for a surprise party for Yul! Poor Dad and Hong-shim are still in shock, not having been in on the plan.
Town Official Park says that he read in the ledger that it’s Na Won-deuk’s birthday today, surprised that Dad and Hong-shim didn’t know. Hong-shim grows angry at everyone for scaring her and storms off, and poor Yul is all, Would someone untie me?
He follows Hong-shim and asks if she’s upset because she’d be a widow if something happened to him. She snaps at him for teasing her, but he just looks entirely too pleased at her upset. He tells Hong-shim, “I will be with you forever. Do not worry. I will not leave you alone. I am your husband.” He holds out his hand, and after a moment, Hong-shim takes it.
Prince Seowon joins his mother in pleading for the king’s leniency. Minister Kim comes out with a scroll and reads that the king has ordered them not to mention deposition again, and sends them to their chambers.
At the birthday party, Town Official Park tells everyone that he was shocked to see that Won-deuk is actually 35 years old — the same age as Ma-chil. HAHA! Yul glares and says he can’t believe it as everyone compares his pretty face with Ma-chil’s “half-smashed” one.
Dad stammers that Yul just looks young for his age, and the ladies get close to admire his smooth skin. Yul bats them away, huffing that he’s uncomfortable, but he only gets teased for his fancy way of speaking.
Attempting to teach Yul the local dialect, Gu-dol coaches him to say, “Hong-shim, you’re so pretty.” Yul tries and chickens out, but when Hong-shim tells everyone to leave him alone, he says the words earnestly. He does better with Gu-dol’s next sentence, his voice booming as he orders Hong-shim to come here and give him a hug. The whole group, including Hong-shim, burst out laughing, then they raise a toast to Yul.
When the party finally breaks up, Kkeut-nyeo hangs back to ask Hong-shim if it’s true that she and Yul haven’t slept together. Hong-shim says that Yul feels like a stranger since he doesn’t recognize her. Kkeut-nyeo says it’s obvious they like each other, and she gives Hong-shim some perfume that’s supposed to “encourage” Yul with its scent.
Before she goes inside, Hong-shim sees Moo-yeon watching her over the wall. He says that he’s glad to see her looking relaxed since living as a peasant can’t be easy. She says she’s been a peasant longer than she was a noble, and asks if Moo-yeon has completed his mission.
He says it no longer matters, and that he wants to leave with her, tonight. Hong-shim says she’s waited for years to be with him again, but she can’t leave tonight, and he guesses that it’s because of her husband. Moo-yeon starts to tell her who Yul is, but instead he just says, “He’s not right for you.”
But Hong-shim says she has to fix a mistake and say goodbye to her friends, so Moo-yeon gives her ten days to settle things. She hugs him and apologizes, but he says it’s nothing compared to how long he made her wait.
After he sends Hong-shim home, Moo-yeon is surprised when one of his men comes out of hiding, saying that he was worried. He asks how Moo-yeon plans to explain this to Minister Kim.
Yul takes Hong-shim inside and reminds her that she still hasn’t given him a birthday present (rawr?). He tells her to address him properly as her husband and someone much older than her (ha!), requesting cheekily that she call him “dear husband.”
He says that she smells nice, and Hong-shim squeaks nervously that Kkeut-nyeo gave her some perfume. She tries to leave, but Yul leaps up to slam the door closed and remind her that they’re married, and should sleep together. He whispers, “Tonight, I will not let you go,” and Hong-shim loses all resolve to leave.
Yul moves in to kiss Hong-shim, but she turns her face away at the last second. She reminds him that on their wedding night, he forbid her to touch him while he has no memory. He says he doesn’t remember that, but his ears go bright red, giving away the lie.
Hong-shim tells him that she’ll sleep with him when he remembers himself and her, and scoots out of the room while Yul tries to say he can just remember that stuff later. ARGH. Once she’s alone, Hong-shim wonders how things would have been if she were really Hong-shim, and he were really Won-deuk.
In the morning, Gu-dol can’t wait to get a recap of the previous night. Yul sighs at a pair of birds snuggling in a tree, moaning over his loneliness, and Gu-dol asks what the problem is. Yul confesses that he told Hong-shim not to touch him until his memories came back, so Gu-dol says he just has to remember.
The continued drought is causing the king to worry for his people, so he orders rice and barley sent to help. He mentions Songjoo village’s magistrate, and learns that a man named Na Won-deuk gave the magistrate’s ledger to the royal inspector, revealing his corrupt ways.
Impressed, the king sends four rolls of silk to this Won-deuk as thanks. He needs to appoint a new magistrate, and Minister Kim suggests they send Je-yoon, overriding Minister Jung’s objections that he’s a concubine’s son and not competent. The king tells him to appoint whoever he wants.
Soo-ji breaks the news to Je-yoon that he’s being made magistrate of Songjoo village. He thinks it’s good news, but Je-yoon grows upset and and asks Minister Kim if he distrusts him. Minister Kim says he needs Je-yoon to do something in Songjoo village, and that if he proves himself, he’ll bring him back to Hanyang.
Moo-yeon returns to Minister Kim, bringing with him a box containing an amputated hand (shudder) as proof that he killed the crown prince. He offers to take Minister Kim to see the rest of the body, but Minister Kim takes his word for it, and Moo-yeon asks if this means he can leave.
Gu-dol takes Yul to the marketplace, thinking that Yul and Hong-shim must have had a date here at least once. Yul says that he remembers something when he spots a table selling ladies’ hair ribbons.
He takes Hong-shim to the market and tells her that he remembers a red hair ribbon, and her smiling face. Next he takes her to a swing, and she gives him a weird look as he says she rode the swing that day, which was a holiday. He’s totally making it up based on Gu-dol’s advice that all women ride a swing on that holiday, but Hong-shim says that she hung this swing herself just recently, pfft.
Powering through, Yul says that it must have been a different swing. He continues that it rained, which is how they ended up spending the night together in the water mill. He thinks he’s proved he’s regaining his memory, and Hong-shim says that’s fine, and Yul is all Great, let’s go home. LOL.
She disappoints him by saying that he needs to go to the next village over for a Solution Agency request. He vows to come home by tonight when Hong-shim promises to make him a nice meal.
As he leaves Minister Kim’s house, Moo-yeon find a line of nobles waiting to offer gifts, hoping to gain favor due to Minister Kim’s new status as grandfather-to-be of the next crown prince. He hesitates when he sees So-hye’s palanquin on her way to stay with her father, and her lady stops the procession.
Moo-yeon tells So-hye that he hasn’t decided where he’ll go, and So-hye admits that she envies Moo-yeon his ability to leave. She holds out a silk bag, calling it payment for his services on a huge task.
He congratulates her on her pregnancy before leaving without taking the payment. He looks sad as he goes, but he only gets a few steps before an arrow strikes him in the chest.
Yul arrives at the other village and asks a passerby where he can find an old woman he’s been sent to fetch a hen from. She’s nearby, and she calls out “Won-deuk-ah!” to him familiarly.
Back home, Dad asks if Hong-shim plans to live with Yul without telling him the truth. She says she has a little time before she leaves with her brother, and Dad takes that as a hint and leaves to spend the night at Gu-dol’s place.
Hong-shim sets out a nice meal for Yul’s return, but when he gets home, he just stares at her as if she’s betrayed him. In a flat voice, he asks why she sent him to that village.
She says there was something he needed to know, and he snaps, “Like the fact that I’m not Won-deuk?” She tells him, “That’s right, you are not Won-deuk.”
COMMENTS
Argh, you’re really going to make us wait a whole week to find out what that’s all about?? What happened in that village and who was that old woman? My guess is that she’s the real Won-deuk’s mother or grandmother, and that when Yul showed up claiming to be Won-deuk, she revealed the truth. Still, that seems a cruel way to break the news to Yul, and if I were him, I’d be just as angry that Hong-shim set him up as the fact that she’s been lying to him.
The more I see of Moo-yeon, the more I really like his character. You don’t often see an assassin with a conscience, and though he’s done some pretty cold and horrible things, he’s doing them so that he can win his freedom and be with his sister again. It doesn’t excuse the murders he’s committed, but it does at least explain that he has no choice, and doesn’t enjoy the work. I knew that poor Moo-yeon would have a crisis when he realized that his sister is married to the man he’s supposed to kill to win his freedom, and knowing that Yul has no memory of his true identity just makes the whole thing even more difficult for him. I’m really worried that he’ll end up sacrificing himself for Hong-shim’s happiness with Yul, and while yes, he’s not really deserving of a happy ending, I don’t want to see him end up dead, either. I believe that the scene with So-hye is evidence that Moo-yeon is the father of So-hye’s child, which just complicates things even further to know that he probably loves her, and she probably loves him as well.
I’m surprised at how much King Neungseon is growing on me. Everything he’s done has been for Yul, even if it meant abandoning his morals, but now he’s trying to do the opposite and just be a good husband and father. You could see his fierce love for his son when he agreed to take his brother’s throne, because Minister Kim implied that Yul’s life might be in danger if the king was allowed to stay on the throne and discovered how smart Yul is. I believe that that’s why the king agreed to the coup, since his initial reaction was that he would never do such a thing — he was never ambitious that way, but he did it to save his son’s life. Now Yul’s disappearance is giving him the courage to buck his advisers and do what he thinks is right, and not just what’s expected from a king, which really raises my regard for him. I think that this whole situation will actually make him a better king, provided he can outsmart his enemies and live through it.
I haven’t had much to say about Hong-shim because, while I love her character, she’s pretty consistent and doesn’t have much of a character arc to speak of. But in this episode we got to see the lingering effects of her past, when her fear of abandonment got the best of her after she realized that Yul’s arrest was just a trick (it was actually a pretty good prank, if Hong-shim hadn’t been so traumatized). She’s already dealt with her father’s death and the loss of her brother, as well as being forced to live as a poor commoner instead of the lady she was born as, and she’s held up admirably well under the pressure. But now she’s letting herself love her odd, quirky, yet caring husband, and the thought of losing him made her crumble. Luckily, Yul knew just what to say to reassure her that he’s never going to leave her alone. But it was also adorable when he claimed to remember a date with her just to get her into bed… he is a man, after all.
As for Yul, he’s turning into a squishy little sweetheart of a husband and I just love it. He was so cute when he saw Hong-shim crying over him and smiled, and his promise never to leave her felt so sincere. It’s wonderful to see how he’s changing because of Hong-shim and the friendship of the villagers — he’s still a haughty brat, but he cares about them and treats them with respect. I’m looking forward to seeing how this affects him when he finally regains his memory, because he always had strong morals, but he used them to hold himself apart from others. Now he’s engaging with and getting to know people, which will serve him well if he ends up back in his role as the crown prince. Part of me though, just wants to see Yul decide to keep living in humble obscurity with Hong-shim and his friends — he can just abdicate to his brother Prince Seowon, who seems like a smart kid with an equally well-calibrated moral compass who would make a great king once he figures out a way to keep his mother from interfering.
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1 Jinn
October 4, 2018 at 1:42 PM
I'm so thoroughly bored by this drama. Glad its only 15 episodes.
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Lelly19
October 4, 2018 at 1:53 PM
You can simply not watch it if it's too boring ^^
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Jinn
October 4, 2018 at 3:41 PM
Why people get so defensive when someone calls a show boring is beyond me. I'm watching this simply for DO because he's awesome in everything he does and is hard carrying this drama. Still I can find the drama as boring. Most people these days watch dramas for their bias and rarely for the plot because all kdrama plot is recycled. This plot is not original in the least so I sincerely hope he picks a better drama next time since he's extermely talented and deserves a better script. Still this drama is excessively boring but I stick on for him.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
October 4, 2018 at 6:33 PM
Why do you think Lelly's being defensive? I think that's a completely reasonable comeback. There are so many things to do in the world and so little time to waste, so why choose to do something you dislike or don't even enjoy?
And no, it's an assumption that most people watch K-dramas for their bias and rarely for the plot. Lots of people have no biases. And some people haven't seen their biases in anything for a long time because the work they've starred in doesn't fit their tastes. K drama plots may be recycled from time to time, but there are some seriously interesting ones this era and even if the plots are recycled, people could watch for the familiarity, the squee, the chemistry, escape from daily life or the comfort only the Koreans bring to their dramas. It's not like we're contributing to their ratings.
Seriously, if you're gaining nothing from this apart from watching D.O., even though you could watch any of his other numerous works, and just spread negativity at a place where obviously people who like this drama gather, isn't it logical that someone would question your actions?
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Lelly19
October 4, 2018 at 11:19 PM
Couldn't have said it any better! 😅
Jinn
October 5, 2018 at 9:59 AM
That's a stupid argument. If I don't like something I have the right to say I don't like it. It's boring extremely boring in fact but since DO is in it I will watch it. I've seen everything hes ever done and I've even see all his fan cams everything. That's how normal people support their bias by watching everything they do. Most people watching this show are all EXO-L just go on twitter and you can know that. Drama beans is a very small pond where maybe people watch dramas because of plot or other reason but on twitter and Instagram where most of the people are you see people watch dramas for their bias. It is normal now days to watch only for the bias not for plot. This drama is very boring is not negativity it is opinion which is shared by many people but we still must watch it for your bias.
Lelly19
October 5, 2018 at 10:55 AM
@Jinn
I wish we could be that strong of a fandom to give our faves record breaking ratings for every project they're in...but that never happened before, this is the first time, I wonder why :/
And no, no one ever said we MUST watch our biases in everything they do, especially in this case when you are not even helping the ratings (so no actual support there)...and to be fair, your negative opinion might even push away potential viewers...
Of course you have every right to leave a comment here like everybody else, but I personally don't understand why you would do that in the first place since you're not even interested in the drama or its plot..
greenfields
October 5, 2018 at 11:09 AM
Was reading recaps and saw this.
"Most people these days watch dramas for their bias and rarely for the plot because all kdrama plot is recycled."
I thought most people watch dramas because they like dramas? Sure some people pick dramas because of the actors in it, but by and large I'm guessing the drama-watching crowd is in it for the drama - actor, writer, plot, whatever else.
PeepsLeAwesomePotato
October 5, 2018 at 6:42 PM
@Jinn:
Look, sure, you have the right to call a drama boring. It also means that others have the right to ask why you're watching then. The right to free speech goes both ways, not just from you to the world.
Again, Dramabeans may be a small place, where a relatively small set of people come to comment on the dramas, but Twitter and Instagram also do NOT show you the entire world's opinions. Just because your friends on Insta and Twitter watch dramas for their biases, it does not mean that the common public acts with their logic. In fact, Instagram and Twitter may even give you a smaller insight to the world's habits than Dramabeans since on Twitter and Instagram, you have a choice to follow only those you agree with and ignore those you don't. You're only hearing from people you agree with, so don't come and try educate me about what "normal people" do. Shinhwa's DongWan put it the best: "Shinhwa is not responsible for your life." So likewise, D.O. is not responsible for your life. Go live a little.
Thirdly, normal people do NOT watch everything their bias is in. Real life gets in the way. People only have 24 hours, they have to prioritise. Real fans support their biases, true, but there are more (far effective) ways than just obsessively watching everything they're in on a computer screen that just don't even contribute to the all important holy ratings. Are you watching this drama on a legal site, even? And let me tell you one more thing: fancams can sometimes be traumatizing for your precious bias especially if they're provided by the invasive sasaengs. I suppose you know how KyungSoo has been affected by them.
You wanna support him? Send a food truck. Send him gifts. Encourage people to watch his shows legally. Do something that makes KyungSoo touched, not do stuff that doesn't even let him know of your existance. Not come here and bitch about the drama then act all defensive and offended when someone asks why you're acting so illogically.
"This drama is boring." Sure, that's an opinion. But that's also a negative opinion. And considering all that you've said and how you've acted, it's just plain negativity, since it doesn't even come as constructive criticism. It can be an opinion shared by many, but hey, it is not a MUST that you watch it for your bias.
Nobody even attacked you. They just pointed out the common sense that you can stop doing something you dislike. And just because you think the drama is boring, along with an apparently increasing number of people, it does not make it true for everyone. Because "boring" is subjective. "Boring" is an opinion. You said it yourself. An opinion is not truth, whatever Trump and his cronies might say. People could like the drama for various reasons and not think it boring. And actually, no one here said you can't call the drama boring. It's just that you don't make sense in your replies to Lelly.
Your arguments and the...
PeepsLeAwesomePotato
October 5, 2018 at 6:43 PM
... ... Your arguments and the assumptions they're based on have not been very intelligent.
Lelly19
October 4, 2018 at 11:25 PM
I understand your reason to keep watching (yes, kyungsoo is great *-*)...but not why you feel the need to bring that negativity here...to each their own I guess! ;)
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Jinn
October 5, 2018 at 4:54 PM
The depleting user ratings also show that most beanies are losing interest in the drama so if I'm calling a boring drama boring it must be true. If only fans were rating it the rating would be higher but everyone is rating it so the ratings have come down this much. Its not just here but other sites as well. The ratings are good because its on cable and because all the other Mon-Tue dramas are so much worse. This is boring but I keep watching.
Lelly19
October 6, 2018 at 12:49 AM
Please, go back to stan Twitter...this is no place for you...
Ek Ladhki Thi
October 5, 2018 at 9:22 AM
People watch dramas for their bias is a huge fallacy. I love Kim Junmyeon to death but I dropped Rich Man faster than a bad habit because that drama was shit.
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Multi
July 27, 2020 at 11:43 PM
Oml yes, why does he keep getting shows like that. It makes it look like he cant act, or maybe its just that hes better suited to stage than screen, though he did have some nice moments in other pieces he did for. Also Kai as the Grim Reaper. I died. I didnt watch the entire thing but i died cause there was so little nuance. (Sob). (Also Im only mentioning exo cause thats the common thread here but same can be said of a lot of idols i guess)
Opppsss
October 4, 2018 at 2:16 PM
You should drop it, no one force you to watch.
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Ek Ladhki Thi
October 4, 2018 at 3:14 PM
Why are you still watching it then? This is a genuine question with no hint of malice. I'm just curious about why you're suffering through a show that you don't enjoy.
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Nico Ishk
October 4, 2018 at 3:41 PM
I find the drama boring too, but i'm still watching because of the time invested, it's not so bad yet that I need to drop it.
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Ek Ladhki Thi
October 4, 2018 at 5:28 PM
This is only the 8th episode though, it's still not too late to drop it. I'm sure there are more engaging shows you can give your time to. Have you tried The Guest?
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Nico Ishk
October 4, 2018 at 7:02 PM
Actually, I am dying for the guest to end so I can marathon it :)
kiyomipink
October 4, 2018 at 11:44 PM
I'm actually loving this drama more and more! However, I've also had dramas that I got bored with or starting disliking but still wanted to finish. Usually for me though they've already aired so I can just skip my way through lol
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kyungsoowifeu
October 5, 2018 at 7:55 PM
I can't believe you are the first commenter. Only to say that the drama is boring. Negative vibes.. Judging from your username.. you must be a BTS fan. What a lie that you like D.O... come on.. just come out!
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
October 5, 2018 at 8:20 PM
Lol c'mon that wasn't necessary either. Who cares if they're a BTS fan. It's not relevant to the conversation. Plus they can like more than one group if they want to...
Take the unprecedented fanwars elsewhere please!
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Ek Ladhki Thi
October 5, 2018 at 8:27 PM
Please leave this mess on Twitter where it belongs.
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Afterglow Ran
October 9, 2018 at 9:30 PM
A fan wouldn't go to a site that may consist of non fans and say it sucks. Most will either keep it to themselves/share on Personal SNS/tell other fans in private messages.
I am impressed by you being faster than a fan and even up to date with how many episodes. A hater is truly as dedicated than a fan.
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2 nestted
October 4, 2018 at 1:45 PM
I'm not even liking the chemistry anymore nothing actually ever happens in this drama.
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kyungsoowifeu
October 5, 2018 at 7:56 PM
Another BTS fan. Just came here to support commenter number 1
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Afterglow Ran
October 9, 2018 at 9:36 PM
A hater that is faster than a fan in a post about their bias. Impressive. Hopefully you are equally fast on celebrities you are a fan of. I'm worried you are wasting your time and missed out on being 1st to be updated with celebrities you are a fan of.
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3 Lelly19
October 4, 2018 at 1:52 PM
This episode felt a bit like a filler to me, despite a lot of things happening..the plot didn't move forward that much, but it set the ground for next week's episodes, in a way.
I can't deny that I was eagerly waiting for that kiss scene that they've been teasing for two weeks!! lol
...but in the end I was happy it didn't happen like that, it wouldn't be fair for neither of them to keep building their relationship on a lie, and the last scene makes it look like that's going to change next week :)
Overall I'm ok with how they developed the plot about fake-WD (?), the timing felt right enough for me (assuming that HS is going to tell the truth to WD first thing next week xD); thanks dad for being honest at last!
On a side note, that birthday prank was really questionable and distasteful, I'm with Hong Shim on this, poor girl! But at the same time it gave us one more adorable scene between our lovely couple, so I didn't mind it that much (I wish they were a bit more consistent with the loan shark character, though, how bad is he actually?!).
Another think that I appreciate is HS and her brother relationship; they didn't have many scenes together, but I can still feel a connection between the two, the actors are doing a good job (especially the brother, he stands out to me, somehow).
[Not sure if this is considered a SPOILER, I'll leave this disclaimer just in case]
The most notable thing that happened this week was that freaking teaser for next episode!!!! I hate tvN!!!!! How can they make us wait for a week like that?!?!?!? I'm still not over it!!! It make me want to scream! XD XD XD
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Ek Ladhki Thi
October 4, 2018 at 3:13 PM
With regard to the loan shark, I think he's let up on being a baddie since Minister Park was run out of town because he mentions that Minister Park was his backer. Also, Won-deuk's threat to him probably made him relent.
I agree, I hate practical jokes and this one is in very bad taste.
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Lelly19
October 4, 2018 at 3:56 PM
Yeah, it makes sense!! :)
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gumgum
October 4, 2018 at 11:11 PM
I agree with you on the birthday prank, it was very uncomfortable to watch :(
ALSO LORD THE TEASER CAN IT BE MONDAY
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kiara
October 5, 2018 at 6:12 AM
Yul skillfully bargained with the loan shark and earned his respect at the same time. He made his point without making an enemy out of him by putting himself in his level. Just 2 men talking from one man to another.
He has good diplomatic skills and he is going to be a great king so I hope at the end he'll take responsibility for the people he's grown to care for.
My happy ending would be for him to ascend the throne and do what needs to be done to relieve the burdens that are unfairly put on the common people's shoulders. No one else in the palace knows what is like to be in their shoes.
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Lelly19
October 5, 2018 at 6:35 AM
I guess it makes sense when you put it like that! :)
Thanks for your insight! ^^
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kiara
October 6, 2018 at 2:14 PM
Thanks to you I went back and rewatch their conversation.
Loan shark was nice to Hong-shim after that when he ran into her at the market.
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4 watcher
October 4, 2018 at 2:10 PM
Thanks for these recaps. As a viewer who understands the plot by reading subtitles, I sometimes miss key dialogue when the subs flash by too fast, or key details (e.g., a secret smirk indicating a lie is being told) when I'm too busy reading the subs. There are also details (e.g., language, props) with cultural and/or historical significance that impact the story. With your recaps, thank you for providing clarifications so that viewers like me can better understand and enjoy the story, especially because this drama employs many subtle details to drive the plot points.
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5 Nadia
October 4, 2018 at 2:18 PM
I like this show, it's quirky and not like other historical dramas. I will say that Hong-shim looks older than him, but it's not bad. I do like the chemistry between them , her dialect and his elite attitude, it's cute.
Can't wait til the next episode.
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kiara
October 5, 2018 at 9:54 AM
I really like how this drama is gutsy enough to force (through unfortunate circumstances) a future king and a noble lady from the highest social class in the country to experience the life of the common people. The lowest, who are not being treated as human beings by their own class.
It has been heartwarming and fun so far and the one thing that holds my interest the most.
Hong-shim is probably 2 yrs older than Yul. I think it was Nam herself who said it in a video clip from the set.
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Ek Ladhki Thi
October 5, 2018 at 8:29 PM
Hong-shim is 2 whole years older than Yul. When they met, she was 12 and he was 10. It cracks me up because it's the opposite in real life.
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Grapes
October 5, 2018 at 11:20 AM
In real life NJH is younger than DO by one year, but in the drama she’s supposed to be older.
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Lelly19
October 5, 2018 at 12:02 PM
2 years ('93 vs '95) ;)
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6 Pensola
October 4, 2018 at 2:19 PM
I didn't like the birthday prank, but I Guess in old Joseon times Death was so normal that they had no qualms joking about it?
When I try to figure out what I want from the show, I am not sure. At first I thought, maybe the leads will sleep together, and after the crown prince regains his memory and returns to the palace, Hong Shim realizes she is pregnant. However, who knows since many dramas seem to be afraid of even hinting of the leads having sex before the last weeks. Sometimes it feels like the mer thought of the female lead wanting sex or being even remotely interested in it is being scandalous, but maybe that's just because I am very bad at watching mature dramas with actual adults whose female lead's reactions to the male lead wanting sex is not just wide eyes, stuttering and waiting for him to take the lead. :P (Which was why I had so much fun with Seven-Days Queen when the female lead was being like, "Let's sleep together, I won't tell Your Mom ;)))"
(God, being reminded of SDQ makes me wish for another drama that has a villain in the love-triangle, those angles are my JAM)
At any rate, if that happened, there would be drama in that regard, since the hero knows the Crown princess isn't pregnant with his child, but Hong Shim is. However, no matter how unrealistic the show is in regards to Joseon, I don't think they could have Hong Shim become his consort, either, since her family was branded traitors. At best she could be his concubine, but again many romantic dramas shy away from the idea that the male lead who is King sleeps with other women than the heroine simultaniously. Thus, I think it will be most likely that during the battle in the prologue/flashforward, the line where he says he knows he will die is foreshadowing that he officially dies as the Crown Prince, but keeps living as a commoner with Hong-Shim with his father's approval.
I just hope that when he does regain his memories, even if he is forced to separate himself from Hong Shim for a while at first, he does his best to gift her and the village with various trinkets, maybe through the excuse that they protected the nation by protecting the crown prince, or something. And send a eunuch or something to secretly protect her, I don't know.
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Flightey Gazelles
October 5, 2018 at 2:08 AM
I would say that so far, I've been very surprised by this dramas bold suggestive dialogues and implications regarding sex. Especially, considering the fact that D.O is an idol. Since from the first episode, he was expected to sleep with the Princess and on their wedding night with Hong Shim, everyone expected them to sleep together.
A drama I just watched where the female lead expressed desire in bold words was Just Between Lovers. Moon Soo is girl-crush material.
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kiara
October 5, 2018 at 10:20 AM
Marriages in those days were arranged between two families of the same social class. It's safe to say that love was rare thing.
Reputation was everything and we can kind of still see that now with those in the public eye. If a celebrity is caught dating, they'll call it a scandal. Sex scandals could end someone's career.
The drama is trying to show that side of the culture and while remaining true to that time period. It's also showing the human side of the characters with Won-deok wanting to bed his supposedly wife every time he sees her. He is so darn right. It's a natural thing between two married people.
Why is it Hong-shim avoiding it?
Obviously their marriage is a sham according to her and it would be out of character for her to jump into bed with him knowing that. She told him not until he gets his memory back which I think it's the best thing for the both of them.
I'd prefer that they get married legally and properly before it happens and I think it'll happen later.
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7 Lizzie
October 4, 2018 at 2:45 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Yool live in the village with Hongshim but I don't see him letting go of that responsibility even if his brother wouldn't be a bad prince either.
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kiara
October 5, 2018 at 10:50 AM
Yes, I wouldn't mind him living with the village people either but it would be much more beneficial to them and for him in the long run if he return to the palace.
Prince Seowon does not have good people supporting him and he has no clue about the people's struggles.
Yul lacks supporters right now but he has and will gained more good people beside him.
I'm, hoping that the two ministers will destroy each other so Yul can return and rebuild with his people.
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8 Ek Ladhki Thi
October 4, 2018 at 3:08 PM
The scene where the two factions are talking about So-hye's baby and growing up as a politician's daughter are two of the reasons I refuse to align myself with any political party. Politicians very rarely care about the people, they only use them for a power play.
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deegee
October 4, 2018 at 8:57 PM
Yes, poor So-hye. I cannot imagine what she feels like.
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9 watcher
October 4, 2018 at 3:25 PM
My predictions for the ending. Maybe none will come true, but it’s fun nonetheless.
Yul & HS – once WD is revealed to be Yul, and chaos ensues about his marriage to HS and his inevitable return to the palace, HS will cut off the tie on Yul’s marriage shirt, thereby symbolically ending their marriage and allowing him to return to the palace. This is not noble idiocy because it makes sense in the context of the story. Yul deposes the crown princess for some infraction (but doesn’t publicly reveal the crown princess’s affair). Thereafter, he brings HS to the palace—she’s nobility, and they are legally married—and they live happily ever after.
The crown princess – (i) suffers a miscarriage (a logical way to account for the baby); (ii) is disposed as the crown princess; and (iii) lives out the rest of her life quietly outside of the palace. The fact that she had an affair and became pregnant never gets revealed publicly. Otherwise she’d be sentenced to death, and that’s a plot point that’s too complicated to handle in a couple of episodes and distracts from the main storyline.
Mooyeon – dies a noble death, sacrificing his life for HS or the pregnant crown princess whose baby he fathered. Although Mooyeon is a sympathetic character, giving him a happy ending after he has killed so many, discredits this drama.
Jeyoon – (i) assists Yul in winning against Minister Kim; (ii) becomes a key adviser (left or right minister) once Yul ascends the throne; and (iii) realizes his dream of becoming a person of importance. He’ll also have a happy ending with Aewol.
Minister Kim – dies. He’ll take the blame for many of the crimes the crown princess has committed in order to save her life.
The Queen and Prince Seowon – once Yul ascends the throne, the queen continues to live in the palace as the queen mother, but with no power. Yul treats Seowon kindly, and Seowon assists Yul in ruling the country once he grows up.
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Ek Ladhki Thi
October 4, 2018 at 3:26 PM
I like this ending.
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Lelly19
October 4, 2018 at 3:41 PM
What about the poor king?? lol
But I can totally see all of this happening...I like it! ^^
(I'm sorry for Mooyeon's misfortune, though)
Btw their relationship is too complicated for them to solve all their problems easily without a separation first, I'm afraid...but I agree that it can be done without any noble idiocy involvement, if they deal with the issue in the right way (basically if WD-HS talk and take a decision together)
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watcher
October 4, 2018 at 4:36 PM
I think the King abdicates the throne to Yul. (When Minister Kim asks for the King's seal, the King replies, "Are you asking for the throne?" This implies an abdication by the king is possible.)
I agree that a separation between Yul and HS is inevitable. Yul can only uncover and resolve the conspiracy at the palace, where all the key players are. HS joining Yul at the palace during the turmoil would only hinder, and not help, Yul resolve the turmoil--she'd have no status, no power, no resource, and no ally at the palace. HS's sacrifice in ending the relationship wouldn't be "idiotic" because it serves a worthwhile purpose, and is logical under the circumstances. She's too smart to do something stupid that makes zero sense. And a smart and driven Yul will also take care of business at the palace to ensure that he'll be together with HS. Given the direction this drama has taken, and despite some serious elements, I think this drama will give a happy ending to its main couple (a la Moonlight and Moon/Sun). A sad or bittersweet ending would be contrived and out of character.
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Ashes2Ashes
October 5, 2018 at 11:50 PM
I like most of your envisioned story ☺.
Yes to Yil and Seowon working together.Their father wasn't fit to rule to begin with.Him and the queen can live quietly in the palace but it could also be that the king finally steps up and be a good father to his sons and the nation by confronting (and possibly ending Min Kim?)Dunno what it is about sagueks that make it somehow seem acceptable to root for bloody end to the villians-may be because they seem extra callous with others lives and we often get subjected to gems like eye for an eye 😉
Also feel that Yul might go through another amnesiac phase.What better way to have some good old angst than saying to HS that he will be there for eva and will never forget this moment and then get into another accident and wake up as Yul with no memories of their time together.Worse may be even believe that Seja bi s kid is his and try to make peace with his sad loveless life.
But outta all this I also want a happy ending for the SejaBi.When she said she woulda been happy with a small house overlooking a field of flowers,the yearning kinda squeezed my heart.Yes she and Mooyeon have done stuff that would render a happy ending impossible for them and the kiddo but they are also victims of their birth.come to think of it,most players in the drama suffer due to that.apart from the above players,Joo Young,Ae Wol they are all bright beings who could be so much more but are limited by the social order merely because of the cosmic accident of birth.
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kiara
October 8, 2018 at 9:01 AM
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kiara
October 8, 2018 at 9:12 AM
Most logical endings! I see most of it happening except for Prince Seowon.
Seowon being Yul's younger brother will not be allowed to participate in government affairs just like Yul's father. He'll hold the grand-prince title and live outside the palace. Currently, he has no place inside the palace. He only goes there to visit his mother and father.
I believe that was the law back then and most sageuks seems to follow it.
If you have watched Moon/Sun, crown prince Lee Hwon's younger brother Prince Yang-myung was residing outside the palace and had to ask for permission to visit the king and his mother.
Younger male siblings of the king had their wings clipped to restrict them from taking over the throne.
I think the queen will live in the palace until the king dies then she'll be off living in a buddhist temple for the rest of her life. She is not Yul's mother and I don't think she legally adopted him as her son.
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10 oosiee
October 4, 2018 at 3:34 PM
Well he Could live an ordinary life with Hong shim but then again..."Baesuk" 😁
Oh and looks like I missed previous ep's recap so, I'll just mention it here..when that (ex)-magistrate slapped Yul, I just blurted out, "oh you're f**ked" 😂 😂
Also, though I adore this shoe, I hope they lessen sudden surprise twigs then trying to explain through quick flashbacks..like when Yul ran away, he asked that kid to call a certain person, I didn't know who he was describing. Similarly, when HS recognized him too..through that "stick" (?) thingy, I didn't and still don't know what that was..but then flashbacks cleared it up..I swear there were some other moments too that seemed a little bit out of consistency so, I really hope they better these things!
*waiting for "The smile has left your eyes" / 하늘에서 내리는 일억 별" 1st ep Recap* 😊😊
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oosiee
October 4, 2018 at 3:36 PM
Oh my God! I meant Show alright..not shoe! Damn fingers🤦
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kenpachi25
October 4, 2018 at 4:43 PM
I thought for a second you were referring to the shoes that Yul gave to HS! Haha.
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LollyPip
October 4, 2018 at 6:34 PM
"oh you're f**ked" LOL, so true!
I just went, "oooooOOOOOOOooooo..." and woke up Lolly. Got growled at. Kill me MaMa, I was wrong!
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11 Salshasha
October 4, 2018 at 3:35 PM
So mooyeon is thebaby's daughter? And his mistake give the vice yoo's hand when he, beside eunuch knew bout his finger condition. Maybe that's why he got shot by an arrow?
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oosiee
October 4, 2018 at 3:42 PM
You mean Mooyeon is the baby's Father! 😁 Also yeah, I too thought that since it's the cut off right hand, Mooyeon is gonna get screwed by Minister Kim and he probably did but if thatvdoes turn out to be the reason, it's not a plausible one though because given all the time that has gone by and how Yul was stranded after a fight, Yul for sure would have a rather messy fingers or nails in particular...I think.. 😁
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kiara
October 5, 2018 at 11:27 AM
I think Minister Kim knows that Moo-yeon lied to him about killing the crown prince.
He is probably suspicious of him and his relationship with So-hye . It looks like they've met in secret before. Her maid seems to know him and stopped the palanquin to inform the So-hye of his presence.
(Me thinking out loud)
The fact that the crown princess gave him a payment before he left means that he did something that she asked him to do.
I think he killed the nurse per her order. At the time, her father didn't know she was pregnant.
I also think he had something to do with the death of the chief scholar's son too.
I'm positive that the arrow was shot by one of Kim's assassins.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
October 5, 2018 at 6:48 PM
Honestly, she didn't look very shocked when the arrow hit him. Huh.
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kiara
October 10, 2018 at 6:41 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if she had something to do with it. She most likely wouldn't let him go if he is her baby's father.
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12 Nico Ishk
October 4, 2018 at 3:39 PM
"This drama may be full of plot holes and inconsistencies" you hit the nail on the head there, and for me the characters are pretty weak.
I am comparing to let's say 7 days Queen, which had you really engaged, caring for the characters and had major stakes!
100 days prince could have been an amazing slow burn vengeance drama with a strong Love story (The Princess' man style), instead, we, at half drama, still stay in the amnesia period.
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Lelly19
October 4, 2018 at 3:54 PM
Instead they choose the slow burn romance ;)
It's just about preference, in the end...besides, despite the drama having a quite dark side to it, it was still promoted as a rom-com, not a melodrama (?) as his main genre, at least.
I don't understand the desire of it being a totally different show; either someone enjoys it or they don't, if it's the latter I guess the obvious choice would be to not watch it :)
p.s. the point of that sentence you quoted was that, despite its flaws, the drama has enough charms to still make it an enjoyable watch ;)
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Nico Ishk
October 4, 2018 at 7:07 PM
you know, you may be right, but even if I took out the sentence out of context, it still says there are holes and inconsistencies.
Maybe I am wrong and should look at this show as a rom-com but then again, it's not funny and there is very minimal romance. Or maybe I have been too hopeful by that very strong first episode.
Don't get me wrong though, I don't dislike the show, it's just it does not speak to my heart like other dramas do.
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yangban
October 4, 2018 at 7:54 PM
this drama never pretended to be something else. it was pitched as a rom-com from the get go, not a melo sageuk. i find the village scenes plenty funny, and think the main leads have enough chemistry to keep me watching. its fine if u don’t enjoy it, i just don’t think its fair to judge it against completely different expectations.
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Lelly19
October 5, 2018 at 12:16 AM
I don't think it's fair to judge the drama because it's not something it never claimed to be in the first place..
But I can understand your point..I'm sorry you're not able to enjoy the drama as much as me and others are.
But hopefully your interest will grow in the next episodes, soon the story will take us down a darker path, I feel 😓
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Nico Ishk
October 5, 2018 at 12:24 AM
I can't help it though, the power of emotions usually override rational thoughts so if the heart is not in it, then the brain tends to maybe over-analyze and plot holes or inconsistencies are more obvious. I understand it's not fair to judge something from a totally different POV from which it was originally intended so i'll wait to be proven wrong in the next episodes :)
13 Jia
October 4, 2018 at 4:53 PM
I'm loving watching Hongshim fall in love with Wondeuk/Yul, the prank part was not written that well, but I was so happy at the scene where he was comforting her and she held his hand, I just felt like that was such a huge development in their relationship, and I oddly love watching NJH cry (not in a sadistic way), something about it is very childlike and cute.
I had no expectation for the script since it is from the writer of lovely girl, so at least I share the same humor as her and find the jokes in this show funny (lol at the almokyung reference, I wonder how many kyungsoo fans caught that). The cuteness of OTP and the village is enjoyable enough for me to look forward to new eps, and I do wonder what will happen to our villains (mostly So hye).
***SPOILER WARNING***
Okay, so in the synopsis they mention after Yul goes back to the palace, he doesn't remember the princess's pregnancy and he'll just assume the baby is his? I'm curious how they will resolve this, either he remembers it or figures it out himself or Je Yoon will probably be a part of this, I just hope this lasts 1-2 eps max because just thinking about it pisses me off.
Also, that scene with Yul in his prince outfit with Hongshim sitting in front of him in what appears to be his hallucination seems super ominous, which is why I fear for a tragic ending to our OTP.
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Ek Ladhki Thi
October 4, 2018 at 5:30 PM
I missed the almokyung reference, I should turn in my dandanie card.
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SamVas
October 4, 2018 at 9:19 PM
Where was the almokyung reference? What did I miss?
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Lelly19
October 4, 2018 at 11:35 PM
Gudeol refers to WD as "almowon" after they talked together in that night scene at the pub (?)...He was talking with his wife about it, before they got questioned by Mooyeon! 😉
I didn't catch it before either, I saw it on Twitter ^^ ...then I noticed it when I rewatched the episode! 😁
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SamVas
October 5, 2018 at 12:04 AM
Yes! I think I remember having a 'Ha!' moment when it happened but I quickly forgot about it. Have to go rewatch! Thanks!
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gumgum
October 4, 2018 at 11:20 PM
almokyung and his ears turning red! lol at the writers referencing kyungsoo hahaha
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kiara
October 5, 2018 at 11:56 AM
Sageuks hardly follow synopsis but I think it's possible that Yul will return in his current condition.
I'm counting on his diary to reveal the the truth. He seems to be an avid writer/record keeper. Before he left for the rain ceremony, his final entry was that of regrets for not being a good son etc.
Magistrate Jo got what he deserves because Yul kept a record of his corruptions.
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14 WishfulToki
October 4, 2018 at 5:21 PM
This could be of those “why am I watching this?” dramas because it’s basically a fluffy rom-com in Joseon garb. But I’m drawn in by the leads... I think I pay the most attention when D.O. smiles or blinks (he hardly did before). On the other hand I can’t take the palace baby telenovela seriously... it’s supposed to be dead serious (I mean, it’s high treason and Crown Princess is doomed if Yul comes back), but somehow I find it hilarious. 😂
Regardless, it’s a fun show to watch with my sister (a huge D.O. fan) and see her come up with the craziest theories of how this will end.
Oh. And we all screamed when handsome assassin got shot out of nowhere.
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Lelly19
October 4, 2018 at 11:40 PM
I didn't scream (that was for the teaser!!!!!..but I digress) but it genuinely took me by surprise, I think it's a first for this drama!
I was stuck like this 😲 for a few moments! XD
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kiara
October 5, 2018 at 1:16 PM
I adore them both in this drama. D.O physically resemble a real prince from the Joseon era and his charms is displayed along with his heart opening up to those around him especially Hong-shim.
Nam is playing the Joseon wife like a pro. I love the little wifey things that she does and say like her aigoo cry at the trial to buy time for the royal inspector.
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Ashes2Ashes
October 6, 2018 at 12:02 AM
This drama really do tease out laughs in unexpected moments.and I think it's a credit to how they are being performed.the scene you referenced had me burst our laughing-Hong Shim starts off pleading for 'dumb' husband when that doesn't fly you can see her thinking,right bring out the next weapon,sit straight down and go into that great crying spiel of a long suffering lady😂.NJH really shines in such moments,IMO.
Another great moment this episode was the many ways Yul tried to assimilate.When he started demanding HS come and hug him and then ended that sentence with a half terrified look at her-his dialog delivery and face in those scenes were perfect.He knows he is used to speaking in the haughty time but instinctively realizes towards the end of sentence that he is better off being the beta right now.
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15 luzitania
October 4, 2018 at 5:42 PM
Well, we have come a long way from Yul refusing to be touched. Watching him spend an hour bending backwards to get Hong-Shim to sleep with him was delicious. Mwahahaha, the irony is sooo good.
Contrary to Lollypip, I can't take the king seriously. Did he really think Minister Kim put him on the throne out of the goodness of his heart? He had to know this would come and bite him in the ass someday so why is he surprised when Minister Kim shows him his cruel side?
I screamed so hard at Je-yoon during this episode: Accept the position!!! Go to the village!! All your answers are waiting there. Urgh, if only things were that easy.
Overall, I am enjoying this. I am a bit surprised by all the negative comments. For me this show hits all the right notes. I like the actors (together and individually). I like the villagers. Even the brother is growing a soft spot in my heart.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
October 4, 2018 at 6:41 PM
Same. The king is still not in my good graces.
What is abandoning your son's mother (who is also your wife!) to save your son. He didn't even consult them and just turned everyone's lives upside down without warning. Like... Why don't we look for options before following the snivelling rat?
He deserves all that came and will come to him.
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kiara
October 5, 2018 at 1:40 PM
He didn't have time to think imo. Minister Kim went on an execution spree then made it sounds like he ordered it. The king looks really confused when Kim report to him.
That's what it looks like to me even though Kim said that it was his order.
The king is guilty of course but Kim knew he had to act fast and make his mind up for him or his plan would fail.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
October 5, 2018 at 6:50 PM
Oh shit. That makes it worse. He's such a puppet, how can he be king????
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kiara
October 5, 2018 at 7:01 PM
He was manipulated into becoming a puppet for Minister Kim's ambition.
PeepsLeAwesomePotato
October 5, 2018 at 7:06 PM
That still doesn't get him off the hook for me. Maybe I just really dislike him.
It's been years since he's been on that thing, how is he still flailing like a fish out of water. How is it that he doesn't think in the past and now too?
kiara
October 5, 2018 at 7:28 PM
It shouldn't get him off the hook at all. He is to blame for not protecting his family and for allowing Minister Kim to gain that much power.
Just commenting on how he was being bulldozed into becoming king.
Ek Ladhki Thi
October 4, 2018 at 7:06 PM
I'm surprised by the negative comments too, I'm really enjoying this show.
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Ashes2Ashes
October 6, 2018 at 12:18 AM
Yeah I can't get behind the king either.He is now touting that he stood by as Kim got his wife whacked because he worried for his son.That isn't how those initial episodes played out at all.Yes he was hiding out and didn't actively want to be king.But when min kim came up with the plan to dethrone his huling,he didn't protest that long.Yes I believe that he was concerned for his safety as well as Yul's.But he also saw Kim's cruel streak but gave his silent consent to the murdering anyway.He was also not that cut up about his wife meeting with an ' accident' and actually acted shocked when the news came whereas kIm had told him before instigating the coup that his wife had to go.
The way it played out,he clung to his empty seat of power even when he knew Kim was doing not so great things with his power.
The guy was scholarly and isn't a fool.Which makes it worse cause he was complicit yet want to have his conscience clean.His irritation with Yul whenever he tried to call that attitude is proof that he knew what he has let himself be.
We can argue that he became kind outta self preservation but then he continued to be under Kim s thumb.this is a classic case of a smart enough guy with a weak will and flaky morals-he knows he should be better for the sake of the country and his son but he can't.That doesn't make him a good king,a very regular human-yes,but truly not fit to rule
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16 Kafiyah Bello
October 4, 2018 at 7:39 PM
Although it was a cruel way for him to find out he isn't Won Deuk, I'm glad she let him know the truth. I think that was the only way Hong Shim can truly fall in love and give herself over to him. I think that is an important lesson: That in order to fully love someone else, you have to know and love one's self. She knows who she is, now he has to know who he is. This drama is a mess, but this they get right.
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kiyomipink
October 4, 2018 at 11:49 PM
I felf like she took the easy way out which bothered me. It's definitely an uncomfortable thing to have to tell someone, but when that person thinks he's your husband and that you two have a pass he deserves more. I'm wondering if there is more too it though than her just simply not wanting to be the one to say it first....
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Kafiyah Bello
October 5, 2018 at 7:14 AM
Oh, she 100% took the easy way out. I think that because she is starting to like him, she couldn't tell him fir fear of abandonment. That warred with her needing to do the right thing and so this was the only way she could tell him without having to say it herself.
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17 SamVas
October 4, 2018 at 9:28 PM
Thanks for the recap! I am relishing this show and I am incredibly surprised at comments calling it a mess or a bore. Where!?
I like how LY/WD proposes a hypothesis and presents evidence to support that claim and reaches a conclusion. He has done that consistently - when he figured out that CPss was pregnant, whose arrow killed the medical help, how he may not be this WD or that HS may be of noble birth. He should certainly abdicate the throne and become a PI (which we were promised HS would do! (>.<))
Half-way through the show, I feel that we are now at a fork in the road for both WD and HS. He knows where things stand with his identity and will want to know more at the risk of finding something horrible as hinted by his short, sudden flashbacks. The preview already hinted at some noble idiocy coming up. He says he wants to find out who he really is to decide whether to stay with HS or to leave to ensure her safety. HS also plainly states that she used him to save herself from a terrible fate.
HS cares about him just enough to not abandon him completely. Finding her brother was her primary goal in her post-noble life, but now there's more in the mix. I am curious to see how this will play out and I refuse to believe that it will be something completely banal. She wants to help WD recover his memory and feels very guilty to have led him awry. She understands his past haughty behavior and lack of labor skills, now that she knows he must have actually been a nobleman.
I find that their romance is completely believable. After WD gets past the denial stage, he surrenders to HS’s claims of their past love, slowly lets his instincts take over and naturally falls for her charms just like when they were young. WD surprises HS at every turn and her former impression of him changes with every new reveal of this abilities. They have mutual admiration and have equal footing in this relationship. It is refreshing to see a female lead hold her own, take charge and be firm and sure of her actions.
Is it Monday yet!?
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18 KdramaAhjumma
October 4, 2018 at 10:55 PM
I love my lurker status but I have to come out of the woodwork to express my love for this show. Is it perfect? No. Plenty of plot holes? Sure. But is it boring? Not to me (except some parts of the palace politics but that is because i’m charmed by the village shenanigans that I rather spend my time there). Life is too short and precious to continue watching shows that bore you, seriously it is...unless you have a “I must die die complete any show I watch” mentality. I lost count the number of shows I dropped despite having my favourite oppas in them. So if you have wasted 8 hours, please don’t waste another 8 - that’s my unsolicited advice.
I think Episode 8 is my favourite one so far. Like most beanies, I’m also not a fan of practical jokes or pranks and found it rather cruel too but if that gets our Won Deuk to say those swoony words to uri Hong Shim, I’ll let it pass (hee...I’m easy that way) and how hilarious was our hero - making up memories just to get into her pants and don’t get me started on his bromance with Gu-Dol.
But I think next week episodes may be my favourite of all if the preview is to be believed. I have less than a week to prepare my heart for major squee-ing. Be strong my heart, be strong ❤️❤️
PS: If anyone is reading it, sorry for the long post - just needed to get it off my chest.
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kiara
October 5, 2018 at 12:31 PM
I laughed so hard at his facial expression when he was making up the watermill story. Our poor Won Deok-ah is such a lousy liar haha.
At least I think he won't have to beg when his memory returns. I can just picture him with his usual "OH-HO come closer..." lol.
Will it rain then? These people and their beliefs. I just can't ....
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19 capt_blackdog is dirty but pretty
October 4, 2018 at 11:15 PM
Can we appreciate that non-kiss? Just like in 30 but 17 and Strong Woman Bong-soon the hero does not proceed with a kiss when he feels the heroine tense/flinch. Consensual kisses all the way!
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kiyomipink
October 4, 2018 at 11:59 PM
You could really tell that Hong Shim felt guilty about getting closer to him. I don't mind waiting for a kiss if it means both characters can feel good about it.
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Lelly19
October 5, 2018 at 12:01 AM
YES!!!👏🏼
I was dying for that kiss, but she clearly wasn't ready for it, not after all the lies she told! 🙈
But soon they both will be...is it Monday yet?!?!?!?!
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capt_blackdog is dirty but pretty
October 5, 2018 at 12:17 AM
I'm with you, @cubely! Eve though Monday means another work week, I can't wait for next week's episodes!
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imahappyduck
October 6, 2018 at 2:02 AM
When Hong Shim was talking to her father, she mentioned the possibility that Yul's family might be waiting for him. And 'family' here could mean wife and children. To me, it makes perfect sense for Hong Shim to confirm whether Yul is married/engaged first.
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20 gumgum
October 4, 2018 at 11:45 PM
I've upvoted so many comments that talk about how the birthday prank was in bad taste but WD reassuring HS he wouldn't leave her was worth the bad prank, how funny it is that WD is trying so hard and making up things to sleep with HS LMAO; and how WD and GD have such a funny bromance lol it's really funny to me that Gu Dol os his best bet for advice on romance HAHAHA. I agree with so many of the comments here, I like that I'm not alone with how I feel about this show hihi
I like this episode despite it not really moving anything forward storywise till the end because it says a lot about Wondeuk and Hongshim's relationship, and how much the village has come to appreciate Wondeuk (and even how Wondeuk has begun to settle in his life in the village). But now that certain truths are coming out and more people get closer to discovering Yul is alive, I worry for our couple as they are just discovering how they feel. A lot pointed out noble idiocy too on Yul's end huhu. If they need to separate at some point so they can be happy together in the end then okay. I really wonder though where the show's very first scene from the pilot ep fits with the story.
I guess this ep also answers my questions re: people accepting Sohye's baby is Yul's. The scene with Mooyeon congratulating Sohye on her pregnancy though... I didn't expect that. Although now I believe something happened with them and that he is her baby's father. And why was Mooyeon shot? By who? Is someone watching the princess? That can't be how Mooyeon dies? He can't be dead yet?
Can it be Monday alreadyyy
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kiyomipink
October 4, 2018 at 11:58 PM
I doubt he's dead. I feel like they'll milk his death for as much emotion as possiblt when it comes. Can you tell that I don't have much hop Moo Yeon will make it to the end of this drama?
I'm assuming Minister Kim had him shot. It's not like he's one to keep his promises, and if I were him I wouldn't want any loose ends walking around even it'd be unlikely they'd say anything.
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KdramaAhjumma
October 5, 2018 at 12:33 AM
Totally agree with this. I don’t see how MY will get a happy ending (hopefully reverse psychology works here hee..hee...) but yeah, his death will be milked for all it’s worth. And as a smart villain, I trust Minister Kim will not leave any loose ends... we know how much his promise is worth anyway judging how he betrayed the previous king.
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21 kiyomipink
October 4, 2018 at 11:55 PM
Even though I knew something bad was going to happen to Moo Yeon, I wasn't prepared for the arrow to the chest. I think it's interesting considering their past that they might be in love. Not that he held her as a hostage when they were kids because he had something against her, but it just made the situation more interesting to me. Then there's the practical side of me that is shouting WHAT MADE YOU THINK THIS RELATIONSHIP WAS A GOOD IDEA IN ANY WAY? I guess they both probably felt pretty isolated, but still lol
I kind of want Yul to stay a commoner as well. I want him to be able to keep the friends he's made!! He deserves some friends!
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capt_blackdog is dirty but pretty
October 5, 2018 at 12:20 AM
I gasped at that arrow. Did not expect it at all, but then again I doubt Minister Kim would let go of his personal assassin so easily. Moo Yeon knew too much.
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22 Kurama
October 5, 2018 at 12:00 AM
Hum... I thought I would like this drama like I loved Moonlight Drawn by Clouds, a sageuk but with young leads, humour, romantic scenes and enough politics conspiracies to make me nervous for the characters. But when MDBC really played well the card of the girl disguised as a boy, I find the forced marriage part pretty weak. They played more with the amnesia part, but it's less fun from the point view of the couple.
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23 PakalanaPikake
October 5, 2018 at 1:21 AM
Thanks for your recap, LollyPip!
I enjoyed this episode. The scene in the barley field was truly beautiful. Hong-shim's swing was another reference to CHUNHYANG.
I've got my fingers crossed that Moo-yeon's fellow assassins hatched a plan to fake his death so he can fade off into the sunset with his sister and her hubby.
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KdramaAhjumma
October 5, 2018 at 1:46 AM
In regards to faking his own death, I didn’t think of that... what a brilliant plot twist...and it shows how strategic MY’s thinking in out-smarting the villain because I’m sure he will get caught and killed once the truth about the Crown Prince is out.
Bravo Pakalana! You got me crossing my fingers too (and toes for good measure)
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PakalanaPikake
October 5, 2018 at 1:57 AM
Aw, shucks, @suriyana-shah KdramaAhjumma. Thanks! Considering the ruthlessness of his boss, I expect Moo-yeon is under no illusions that he'll be allowed to leave and live. It would also make for some plot symmetry.
Now that I think of it, Yul doesn't know his bodyguard is dead because he doesn't remember he had a bodyguard.
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WishfulToki
October 5, 2018 at 11:50 AM
*still crying over the cameo of the real Cliff of Doom*
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Cocoa, The Fake Poet of February
October 5, 2018 at 11:57 AM
*throws off my lurker disguise*
Toki! I haven’t seen you comment around here in forever!
WishfulToki
October 5, 2018 at 12:02 PM
*bumps into an Errand Boy colleague in the same disguise... awkward pause ensues*
Are you lurking too? LOL. Nice to see you anyway!
Ashes2Ashes
October 6, 2018 at 12:37 AM
Damn @pakalanapikake..how do you come up with these hypotheses.It's like an agatha Christie book where you read it and go dang that was so obvious,yet I woulda never thought of it ☺..
I was thinking it's super dumb of MY to believe Kim when he has been the guy's fave henchman!
Kim disposes of every random threat like clock work. Which makes him sparing teenage MY and then our baliff Jung completely outta character.
O well,no complaints on either front,but these decisions are never explained so it makes them stick out more.may be the show is playing a loong con and we will have logical explanations on all these seemingly huge plot holes.It's frustrating when they do such a good job of making Yul a n exceptionally
observational fellow with a clear ,logical head and then doesn't make any of the plotting ministers ask for an extension of deposition until the kingdom is sure that the seja bi gives birth to a male heir 🙄
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PakalanaPikake
October 6, 2018 at 1:01 AM
LOL @ashes2ashes!
I used to read Agatha Christie, Conan Doyle, G. K. Chesterton, and O. Henry... and I've watched too many sageuks starring the Cliff Of Non-Doom for my own good. In this case it was the Steep Slope Of Non-Doom. ;-)
Maybe Minister Kim is beginning to lose it and is entering his dotage. Or maybe he's just lulling us into a false sense of security. Or maybe one of the other assassins has ratted Moo-yeon out in an effort to become top (hunting) dog.
I'm just enjoying the show, and hope that the OTP gets a happy ending, with a nice redemption arc for Moo-yeon -- because his sister has already suffered enough. ;-)
doubt_no_more
October 5, 2018 at 2:14 AM
I want to believe what you wrote but I am also scared that it is gonna be a futile hope. One way to know is to wait 😣
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kiara
October 5, 2018 at 2:06 PM
I don't like the fake death though (please kill me Seja) 💀.
It's only fair for Moo-yeon to pay for his crimes. If he saves Yul's life, he can received a pardon and he'll be a free man.
They have been hiding for too long. No more please.
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PakalanaPikake
October 5, 2018 at 2:38 PM
@kiara,
Thanks for that nice path to redemption for Moo-yeon. I can get behind that. But first he has to survive, and that might entail trickery.
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kiara
October 5, 2018 at 2:46 PM
I'm counting on the crown princess to save him.
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PakalanaPikake
October 5, 2018 at 3:22 PM
@kiara,
I like it! Moo-yeon is going to feel awfully cramped when Crown Princess stuffs him in a closet like the money-ironer in PLAYER.
But how is Crown Princess going to save herself? I suspect that Yul will sue for annulment of the marriage on the grounds of coercion and 16 years of non-consummation. That might give both of them an out, especially when Yul learns that the father is his ill-starred prospective brother-in-law who was formerly a noble, and who has since saved his life. If anyone could appreciate Moo-yeon's plight, it would be Yul, who has also been victimized by Minister Kim.
Or maybe Moo-yeon will pay for his sins by dying a hero's death. Hong-shim's heart will be broken when she learns what he has had to do to survive and protect her life as well. She will be even more heartbroken if orabeoni croaks.
kiara
October 5, 2018 at 11:02 PM
@pakalanapikake
I'm saying this assuming that she loves him and that he is the father of her baby.
She can pull a Moon/Sun and hide him in one of those secret rooms behind her room divider or whatever they call it back then.
I don't know if the marriage should be annulled for the ground of non-consummation. They 'll have to explain who/when/what/why she is pregnant.
Yul called her a lewd woman who disgraced her family and that she would be erased from the history books. (something like that)
That doesn't sound good. He was talking about capital punishment for treason wasn't he?
Maybe he'll have a change of heart now that he found his long lost love.
Marriage for women was the absolute monogamy.
For men it was the absolute polygamy.
This crown princess has guts and I like it. How dare she have desires, ambitions etc.
PakalanaPikake
October 6, 2018 at 12:37 AM
@kiara,
You said it, this Crown Princess sure has guts.
I guess at this point I'll just have to keep tuning in to find out how this thorny problem is resolved.
It does occur to me that disappearing from the history books might not involve death, if we consider the case of Kim Boong-do in QUEEN IN-HYUN'S MAN. Not that I think Princess will suddenly pop into another time line. But if she were deposed and exiled to the boonies to live out her life under a new identity...
Here's hoping that Yul mellows out as you suggest.
I'd better shut up and wait for the next installment. ;-)
kiara
October 6, 2018 at 8:32 AM
@pakalanapikake
Oh-ho.. you shall not! Your thoughts is greatly appreciated!
I find it strange that Yul would say that because Joseon didn't go by that kind of capital punishment.
You are right. It would work here if he showed her mercy which is possible now that he has changed.
He could get rid of every records of her in the palace and let her go.
I want her to live in that small house with spring flowers that she dreamt off.
Neither one of them chose to be their father's pawns but that's Joseon and filial piety.
A Confucian scholar would only capitalize women as villains so erasing her name from the history records and letting her live would be a good ending for our daring and rebellious princess.
PakalanaPikake
October 6, 2018 at 9:12 AM
@kiara October 6, 2018 at 8:32 AM
Ah, I'm glad you like my latest fevered phantasm. ;-)
Princess and offspring could both conveniently "die" in childbirth and slink off into obscurity under new names.
Just trying to cobble together a bunch of sageuk plot devices to give as many happy endings as possible for those who have been stomped all over by Minister of the Left Kim.
Alternatively, Princess could fall in love with a handsome alien who makes his rendezvous with the mothership with her in tow. I haven't figured out whether to send junior with her, or to have the baby grow up with its real dad. ;-)
PakalanaPikake
October 7, 2018 at 2:13 AM
@kiara, @vasisht SamVas,
Haha, another Fellowship of the Ring. ;-)
That's exactly what Hong-shim & Orabeoni, Yul, & Crown Princess need, too. Je-yoon is about to join them in the boondocks. I can't wait to see what happens next.
Thank you so much for that link to D.O.'s "Crying Out," @kiara. What a beautiful, expressive voice, and a splendid song. I think this is the first time I've heard him sing. Wow. And now it looks as if I have a couple of his movies to check out.
The sentiment and tone of the song reminds me a lot of Byun Yo-han's version of “Muiiya” from SIX FLYING DRAGONS.
@vasisht, if those were incoherent ramblings, I'll eat my gat. ;-)
I agree with you both: Moo-yeon will have to pay for his sins, but here's to redemption. I also agree that the guilt for murder will haunt him forever. Taking down Minister Kim and saving Yul's life ought to do the trick, especially since he just tried to shoot Yul with an arrow in the barley field.
Exile from the capital would be fine. That doesn't automatically mean house arrest as in FAITH and REBEL, does it? I'm under the impression that exile means being booted out of the capital for one of three set distances, but the culprit can leave the house do things outside.
@kiara, yes, government slaves could be sold. That was what happened in CONSPIRACY IN THE COURT. So I agree it's best for Crown Princess to be expunged from the annals.
@vasisht, time to start petitioning the DramaGods for D.O. to sing an OST for this drama. That would be the icing on the cake. ;-)
kiara
October 7, 2018 at 7:22 AM
@pakalanapikake
You should check out "Cart." It's about labor rights and it's full of familiar and fav veteran actresses plus Kim Kang-woo.
Women have been fighting for our rights since forever.
I think that's part of the reason why I'm rooting for So-hye to live.
This writer can't go this far and then kill her off right?
I wonder if it did happen back then but the history was written by Confucian historians on a tight leash and had to be omitted.
PakalanaPikake
October 7, 2018 at 11:21 AM
@kiara October 7, 2018 at 7:22 AM
I checked AsianWiki for Do Kyung-soo's filmography, and CART and MY ANNOYING BROTHER got rave comments, so I'll be checking them out. I still haven't seen AWL, but will definitely watch CART, especially as it is based on a real-life incident. You're right about the cast -- I see some of my fave ahjummas in it. Yes, women have been agitating for all kinds of rights for a dog's age, and I don't see it ending any time soon. In that vein, I agree that it would really be a letdown if Crown Princess is thwarted in her bid to foil her father's treasonous plot.
DKS and Jo Jung-soek in the same movie (MY ANNOYING BROTHER)?! I can only imagine killer performances from those two. They really look to me as if they could pass for siblings.
I thought DKS was a most convincing basket case in ALONG WITH THE GODS -- both installments of which were simply terrific. Kim Dong-wook was marvelous (and I'm totally enjoying his seer performance in GUEST). I love this film series and its excellent cast. The twists in the plot are great, and very touching.
Sheesh, I am so easily distracted... Back to 100 DAYS. You bring up a good point about history, which is written by whomever is in power, in this case Neo-Confucianists who hold women in such abysmal regard. I expect the historiographers to cleave to the party line (on pain of death or dishonor). It will be interesting to see Yul's evolution on that point. But he's also fair-minded, and with Je-yoon for an advisor, should be able to find a creative solution to any potential philosophical impasses. Both these guys are smart.
There is indeed no way to know who has been "rubbed out" of the official pages of history. Maybe we can only have our suspicions by noticing the deafening silence. What is not being said is often more important than what is being obviously stated, which is why I cannot help but read between the lines, especially when there are no lines. ;-)
I've been under the impression that the king was not allowed to even see the reports of his scribes that were compiled into the Annals of Joseon. I'm not sure how a decree to expunge a person's name from the records would actually be ordered and implemented, although I'm sure it could be accompanied by a gag order to put the kibosh on gossip. (That was one reason why I thought that reporting a person as dead or missing would be a good way for them to slip out of the public record. ;-)
kiara
October 7, 2018 at 2:05 PM
@pakalanapikake
MY ANNOYING BROTHER has been on my watch list for a while. I love Jo Jung-soek, he is such a chameleon and D.O has been growing on me. I'd love to see more of him in lead roles.
"What is not being said is often more important than what is being obviously stated, which is why I cannot help but read between the lines, especially when there are no lines. ;-)"
Yes yes and yes! You and me girl.
I think you'd really enjoy writer Jung Ha-yeon's sageuks. He is a master at interpreting history (reading between the lines) and humanizing characters.
Kings were not supposed to be reading the annals but King Taejo is said to have read what was written about him. Did he make any changes? I don't know.
Then we have Yeonsangun who is said to have read it too.
I don't think there was much written about women back then. Even people like Dae Jang Geum who became the first female royal physician. I believe she was only mentioned in 1 or 2 sentences. Her appointment would make headlines in today's news.
I think it would be easier to erase So-hye's records if she would be charged for treason. They have to right? If she is sentenced to take poison then they should be able to pull a Moon/Sun potion that would temporarily make her seems like she is dead for a day or something like that.
PakalanaPikake
October 7, 2018 at 10:28 PM
@kiara October 7, 2018 at 2:05 PM
Jo Jung-seok is one of my faves since seeing him in JEALOUSY INCARNATE and then THE KING 2HEARTS. I stuck with TWO COPS because his transformations every time the ghost possessed him were stunning. I haven't seen D.O. before this show, and he's won me over. And such such an accomplished singer... JJS is, too.
As for Jung Ha-yeon's sageuks, SHIN DON has been on my watch list for a while. Jung Bo-suk as King GongMin? Oh Man-seok, too? I don't recall the rest of the cast, but I've heard great things about the show. 63 episodes is a bit much... but I've watched that many already, and if the story's good, it's not an issue. Plus it's gat-free. ;-) It just depends on my live-watching load, which has gone back to being heavy. ;-)
Regarding reading between the lines, the biggest challenge for me when watching Kdramas is not being Korean and knowing the cultural & historical references that are so obvious to natives. Plus I realize that the logical assumptions I make as a Westerner need not apply, and can result in jumping to the wrong conclusions.
On the other hand, I love it when screenwriters read between the lines and come up with interesting twists, as in PAINTER OF THE WIND, wherein a famed artist was depicted as really being a woman in disguise. It was a great way to examine the hypocrisy of Joseon society and its double standards.
I like your idea about faking Crown Princess's death by charging her with treason and then giving her the near-death potion and expunging her from the records. Wouldn't the baby be allowed to be born first?
SamVas
October 6, 2018 at 4:15 PM
So lovely to see all these probable, creative happy-endings! I'll jump in and add one of my own. :=D
Our CPss is vital for Minister Kim's plans to pan out. He relies on her future child to be the heir to keep the status quo. I hope the CPss exploits this with some good old blackmail and weaponizes her situation - "Spare MY's life or she'll kill herself or the baby" or that "she'll expose the secret of her affair and that'll end her and her family, including Min Kim (and Soo Ji, if I remember correctly)". Min Kim doesn't care about his daughter's life. He has had plans for the heir since before he made Yul's father the king. Unless Min Kim has other candidates he can use to depose this king, this heir is his only ticket to power. He may use the king's seal to make himself king, as a last resort, if this plan A doesn't work out.
In order for HS/YS to be with Yul at the end, the CPss will have to get Yul in on the plan. After enduring a pre-planned, staged public shaming of her and her family, Yul can dethrone her but let her live quietly, as a commoner, perhaps with MY. Min Kim may become powerless then.
As for MY, I am having the hardest time imagining a good life for him. He has killed way too many innocent people. HS herself would be horrified and would likely turn him in if she knew. Even if Yul understands his predicament, on what grounds can he pardon him? Was death penalty the only judgement then even if you turned yourself in? Can he get immunity in exchange for information on Min Kim? Can he serve out a sentence? Yul also has to find a way to clear MY and HS's father's name. I hope they take their time and address all this instead of rushing things at the end!
PS: Sorry for my incoherent ramblings in the last paragraph!
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PakalanaPikake
October 6, 2018 at 4:41 PM
@vasisht SamVas,
Oh, goody! Another Beanie scheming for a happy ending. ;-)
It occurs to me that if Minister of the Left Kim goes down for treason, Princess will end up being a slave, and 3 generations of males in the family will be wiped out. But if he were busted on a murder rap, he could simply be executed without being dismembered. There would be no collective punishment of the family and household servants.
Luckily, there's an eyewitness to one murder, which is all it takes. Yul saw him kill Hong-shim's father. Is there any reason why Yul could not testify after he regains his memory? He may just be an unimpeachable witness to Kim's treachery.
I still don't have an acceptable basis for remedying Moo-yeon's situation. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that there is more to his back story than we've been told so far that might be germane.
Hurry, Monday! ;-)
kiara
October 6, 2018 at 8:08 PM
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kiara
October 6, 2018 at 8:09 PM
@vasisht and @pakalanapikake
Awesomeness! Feels like The Fellowship of the Ring lol.
Song of the day: "Crying Out" by our crown prince himself from the movie "Cart."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9u9v1ikIXE&list=PLJtwM346xlJkUk7Ua4UAw0CfrBQOQun4z&index=13&t=0s
Let's get the legal and cultural stuff out of the way:
1. Left Minister Kim will never be king. The royal house of Joseon will always belong to one family. The Lee (Yi) family. (Fiction or nonfiction, that will not change).
Kim can have all the power but the throne. His grandson would be the only one if he is Yul's son.
2. Capital punishment during the Joseon era would be beheading, poisoning, quartering, hanging, slicing... take your pick or add more.
@vasisht I'm the queen of incoherent ramblings lol. @pakalanapikake has been keeping me grounded.
I'd love to see Yul, Yi-sul, Moo-yeon and So-hye work together. They have been victims of Kim's ambitions.
I'm with you @vasisht when it comes to Moo-yeon. If he lives he still needs to pay for his crimes in some way.
I think he should be the one to take down his boss to save Yul so he can be pardoned. The guilt from killing those innocent people will haunt him 'til the day he dies. I think that's worse than being executed.
Another option would be exile and maybe allow his sister to visit him on the 15th of every month.
@pakalanapikake
If So-hye ended up as a government slave I think her freedom can be bought with money.
Erasing her from the history books and letting her live with a new identity would be much better imo.
SamVas
October 6, 2018 at 9:57 PM
Now that you mentioned his OST (which is on my Spotify playlist btw), here's hoping (and praying and pleading) that by the end of this show, we'll get an OST from him. What a day that'll be! Bless all those poor ignorant ears!
kiara
October 7, 2018 at 6:45 AM
@vasisht
It's on my playlist too :).
I'm not big on K-pop groups. I prefer to listen to D.O or Chanyeol over the whole group.
I really hope he'd get to sing for the drama. It'll be a treat <3.
kiara
October 5, 2018 at 3:01 PM
Will you believe me if I tell you that CHUNHYANG came to mind when I saw the swing?
There is quite a bit of references from that movie.
My fav and most obvious would be Hong-shim being flogged 30 times and still refused to be a concubine to an old corrupt rich guy.
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PakalanaPikake
October 5, 2018 at 3:40 PM
LOL! Of course I'd believe you, @kiara. After the flogging, I was watching for other references to CHUNHYANG, and nearly jumped up and down when I saw the swing. ;-)
We keep getting teased with scenes of thwarted hanky panky. Unlike the movie. ;-)
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24 Koiling
October 5, 2018 at 5:10 AM
Thanks for the recap, after the episodes I always look forward to these and the comment section! Speaking of that, I am surprised by the amount of "negativity" (if we can call it that, or simply "different opinions") about this drama... maybe it's me who didn't expect it to be of a quality level like Six Flying Dragons or any great sageuk out there, but I'm loving it for what it is, plot holes and all... I even enjoy the palace politics, because that's part of the story and we can't really shrug it off, no matter how we love the village part.
About this episode, I especially loved how things shifted for our OTP: Hongshim feels for Wondeuk, but she feels guilty for lying to him now that she's aware he's not who she thought he is. That guilt is woven through her actions in this episode, from her "confession" in the barley field, halted by a prompt Wondeuk and his logics, to her decision to not go with her brother, and the avoided kiss... she can't live in that lie, and I'm so glad she puts an end to it as soon as she can... what a cliffhanger, but one that doesn't come as a surprise. After all, she's righteous and honest, no matter what her feels might be.
Wondeuk too... he's such an afectionate lover, in this episode, it made my heart hurt because I could see that Hongshim felt guilty over it - the new shoes, his comfort words, everything is great but saddened by a truth that can't be hidden. I am sure next episodes will be even more intense, now that he knows. The conflict is there for our OTP and it's gonna be beautiful... I love the pace this romance has, really, because it takes time for them to get used to each other, to learn about one another and appreciate each other for who they are... even if it was a fake marriage, the feelings are real and I'm sure Wondeuk will see through it.
Next week seems to be exciting, with all the things that might happen after this plot twist and Jeyoon being sent to their village... I can't wait for Monday!!
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Lelly19
October 5, 2018 at 5:47 AM
Great...now I'm craving the next episode even more after reading your beautifully put thoughts!! :(((((
Monday can't come fast enough!! ^^
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Steph
October 5, 2018 at 7:38 PM
I think the negativity comes from people who wanted this to be a drama that it was never meant to be. I mean, one comment said it should be heavier on the revenge drama. Seriously? Who missed the rom-com memo?
I feel it works really well for those of us who came for the rom-com, with the palace intrigue adding just enough spice and stakes so that the writers aren't forced to squeeze 15 eps of conflict out of will-they-or-won't they. As a sageuk it's pretty weak tho, I'll admit. I am so tempted to fast forward through all the palace intrigue stuff but I don't because I'm afraid I'll miss something important. At least the show seems to have learned where its strengths are--the palace scenes have been mercifully short these last few eps. Make love, not hate! Lol
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25 Grapes
October 5, 2018 at 11:12 AM
I don’t find the drama boring despite the plot being overused, i think the writer is building up the relationship between Yul and HS through those 8 episodes that’s why nothing much happened to the main plot but the OTP romance has been built up and the close friendship between the villagers and WD has been set, he needs to learn how those commoners been living and what injustice they’ve been suffering, now everything has been set for the next level especially with YJ in thr picture. the writer prepared the ground for the next episodes, looking forward to next week development.
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26 Quirkitten
October 5, 2018 at 7:10 PM
The drama is slow but it's quite cute and loveable, I'm excited to see how things will turn out next episode :)
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27 Ilove100daysMP
October 6, 2018 at 6:35 AM
I'm guessing that the grandma who called Wondeuk fondly is because Yul is with the real Wondeuk that time, you know, the guy he asked for directions.
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28 Jat
October 7, 2018 at 6:11 PM
Kyaaaa this is so cute! I really like the story development.
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29 woon-ji
October 21, 2018 at 8:43 PM
I am new to the site. How do I watch this drama. I have clicked everywhere but nothing brings the drama up to be watched.
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30 Kekeke
November 1, 2018 at 6:36 AM
Lmao wait a huge question I have is since when did Ma Chil become a good guy??? Didn’t he literally SWIPE a child’s food away and like threaten an old lady just a few eps back and now he’s suddenly chummy as hell with the villagers ?????? Can someone explain lmao I’m so confused how his relationship with the villagers changed so drastically
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