100 Days My Prince: Episode 12
by LollyPip
Oof, I’ve been dreading this… it was inevitable that the crown prince would have to leave his love behind and return to the palace, but that doesn’t make it any easier to watch. Their separation is made so much more painful by the fact that it makes complete logical sense, because one of them is married and the other a fugitive – nobody is playing the Noble Idiot here. There’s got to be a way for them to overcome this and be together, but it’s still a mystery as to how this can all end happily ever after.
EPISODE 12 RECAP
Hong-shim disappears after Yul proposes to her, and Yul is surrounded by Minister Kim and his men. Minister Kim orders his men to show respect, then kneels himself, saying, “You must come to the palace, my crown prince.”
In shock, Yul breathes that the crown prince died, but Minister Kim says he’s known him for years, and that he’s even his father-in-law. He informs Yul that his wife, the crown princess, is waiting at the palace, and that she’s pregnant with his child. Yul briefly remembers the night So-hye asked him to sleep with her, but not the part where he rejected her.
Meanwhile, Hong-shim is carried away unconscious and loaded into a palanquin, but luckily Je-yoon sees it happen and follows. Two more masked men go to the cottage, but there’s nobody there, so they leave. Dad and Town Official Park are hiding outside the wall, and they run as soon as the men leave.
In the morning, the palace prepares for the installation of Prince Seowon as the new crown prince. Seowon kneels before his father, but suddenly Minister Kim strides into the courtyard, interrupting the ceremony. He calls to the king to stop Prince Seowon’s installation, announcing that the real crown prince is alive.
Yul enters, and the king and all the ministers react as if they’re seeing a ghost. Yul raises his eyes to his father, but the king can barely speak.
Hong-shim wakes in a strange cottage, and the last thing she remembers is Yul proposing to her. She stumbles outside to find Moo-yeon waiting for her, and he apologizes for spiriting her away. He says they’re near Mokgye Port, and that he’s looking for a ship, but he stops her when she tries to go back for Dad and Yul.
Je-yoon watches from a hiding place as Hong-shim explains that Yul is her husband, and that he said he would go with them. But Moo-yeon says that they can’t take him, and that she has to forget about him. He drops the bomb… that Yul is the missing crown prince, and the son-in-law of the man who killed their father.
Refusing to believe it, Hong-shim says she’ll go ask him herself. But Moo-yeon tells her that he’s already been taken to the palace, where he’ll be reunited with the crown princess. He tells Hong-shim again to forget Yul and their marriage, and Hong-shim bursts into tears.
The ministers who oppose Minister Kim accuse him of bringing a man who just looks like the crown prince to trick them all. The king asks Yul if he’s really the crown prince, and Yul apologizes for worrying him, calling him “Father.”
King Neungseon orders Prince Seowon’s installation canceled, and the prince is the one who tells Queen Park that Yul has returned. She’s horrified, but Crown Princess So-hye reacts with anger and insists on checking for herself. The moment she sees him she knows it’s true, and she doubles over in pain, clutching her pregnant belly.
Neither she nor Yul say anything to each other, and Minister Kim explains that the crown princess is probably just stunned. He advises Yul to change into his princely robes, and he says nothing to So-hye as he passes her.
In private, Minister Kim tells So-hye not to worry, because Yul has lost his memory. She’s scared it’s an act, but her father swears it’s why he stayed away so long. He tells So-hye that Yul probably believes her baby is his, so this is her chance to win his heart. She asks what happens if he remembers, and Minister Kim says they’ll surround him with their people to prevent that.
Minister Kim had previously told Yul that Queen Park was behind his attempted assassination. He’d said that he tried to hold a trial, but the king stopped it, so they needed to stop Seowon’s installation to prevent Queen Park from gaining too much influence.
Now he tells So-hye that he likes Yul the way he is now, because he was a problem when he was smart about court politics. He believes he can make this Yul into a puppet king that he can control, and he tells So-hye that after her child is made crown prince, then they can get rid of Yul.
Minister Kim had worked hard to convince Yul of his version of the truth before they got to the palace. He’d told him that they need to keep Hong-shim and her dad a secret or they won’t be safe, and to hide the fact that he’s lost his memory for the sake of the crown princess and her child.
Gu-dol is alarmed to find the cottage empty, but their luggage was left behind, tipping off Kkeut-nyeo that something is wrong. She wants to tell the magistrate, but Master Park stops them and tells them that Won-deuk committed treason while in the army. He forbids anyone to speak of Won-deuk, Hong-shim, or her dad ever again.
Neighbor lady Yang-choon tells Dad about the claim that Won-deuk was a traitor. He panics at the thought that Hong-shim might have been arrested with Yul, and although Je-yoon had warned him to stay in hiding, he’s scared that the kids may be beheaded and runs out to look for them.
He runs into Je-yoon and begs him to save Hong-shim and Yul. Je-yoon tells him that Hong-shim is with her brother, and to stop Dad from going to Hanyang after Yul, he reveals that Yul’s actually the crown prince. Outside the room, Yang-choon overhears this bit of information and gasps.
King Neungseon mourns that even though his son is alive, he’s still lost to him, since Minister Kim has his claws sunk deep into Yul. Minister Jung reminds the king that Minister Kim committed a crime punishable by death by claiming that the body brought back to the palace was Yul’s. He accuses Minister Kim in front of the other ministers, but Minister Kim’s friends argue that the body was so damaged, even Yul’s own Eunuch couldn’t identify him.
But Minister Kim accepts the blame, so the king tells him to resign his title. But Yul enters and says it’s not Minister Kim’s fault, asking the king to rescind the order and reminding the ministers that Minister Kim is the only one who tried to find him.
Minister Jung asks why Yul didn’t return to the palace on his own. Yul admits that he was wounded and lost his memories of who he was, but he says that he doesn’t want his father-in-law, or anyone else, to be punished for what happened during the past hundred days.
Later, while alone with Minister Kim, Yul is brought herbal medicine as he’s told that it will be a giveaway that he hasn’t regained his memory if he can’t remember the court ministers. Minister Kim urges him to drink the medicine and get better, then introduces him to his new eunuchs and court ladies, since his previous ones were all killed in the attack.
Hong-shim is too despondent to eat, and she even objects to Moo-yeon’s use of her old name, Yi-seo, saying that it feels wrong after so many years. She confesses that she keeps wishing she and Yul were really just Hong-shim and Won-deuk, but Moo-yeon tells her that it’s an ill-fated relationship, and that Yul is beyond her reach.
She goes outside for some fresh air and finds the shoes Yul bought her. In a fit of anger, she throws them into the woods, but then she remembers him kneeling before her and putting them on her feet. She turns back and frantically looks for them, and when she finds them, she recalls Yul’s promise never to leave her, and she hugs the shoes as she sobs sorrowfully.
Yul visits So-hye as he’s told, and her lady urges him to read to the baby to let it hear its father’s voice. She hands him a copy of “Elementary Learning,” but he asks for a different book. So-hye suggests that he return to his chambers, and he explains that everything feels foreign after he’s been away for so long.
She admits that they’ve never gotten along, and that she resented him for not being affectionate. But she says it was worse when he was gone and their enemies planned to depose her and her baby. She asks him to at least love his child, and Yul, believing that the baby is his, promises not to break the heart of his child’s mother again.
Je-yoon seems to be grieving as much as Hong-shim on her behalf, knowing that she’ll never forget Yul as Moo-yeon told her to do. Ae-wol feels bad for Yul, being forced to live with a wife he doesn’t love, but Je-yoon says they’ll become closer after their child is born. Ae-wol thinks Yul will just summon Hong-shim to the palace, but Je-yoon says cryptically that he can’t.
Master Park runs over in a panic, having just now heard about Yul being identified and returned to the palace. Je-yoon says that he knows, but Master Park is terrified that Yul will execute them for how they treated him.
The king cringes in fear when Minister Kim enters his rooms unannounced, but he makes a decent effort to pretend outrage that someone tries to assassinate Minister Kim. Minister Kim tells him not to worry, since nobody will try it again now that the crown prince has returned. But he adds warningly that if someone does attempt to kill the future king’s father-in-law, he won’t overlook it again.
The king decides to drink his worries away, and does so with the queen as his eunuch suggests. The queen, of course, is mostly concerned about her own son, and how Minister Kim will treat him if he thinks Seowon wants the crown prince’s position. King Neungseon says that he feels bad, but Yul is his firstborn, and he’s glad he’s alive.
Minister Kim sends one of his men to find Moo-yeon, instructing him to bring Moo-yeon back alive because there’s something he needs to check. Meanwhile, Hyuk reports to Moo-yeon that Seowon’s installation was canceled, which can only mean that Minister Kim and Yul returned to the palace.
He says that he found a ship for Moo-yeon and Hong-shim in four days, and delivers some medicine for Moo-yeon’s arrow wound, knowing he’s in severe pain. Hyuk tells Moo-yeon that it was Beom, their third friend, who shot him, on Crown Princess So-hye’s orders.
Hong-shim finds Moo-yeon doctoring his injury, and she hesitantly asks what he’s been doing while they were apart, and how he knew Yul was the crown prince. Moo-yeon says that he’s been running errands for officials, some of them shameful, so he just wants to leave and forget his past. Hong-shim agrees, also having things she’d like to forget.
Yul worries his eunuchs by refusing to eat, complaining that there are too many dishes here when the people eat so humbly. He hears Hong-shim’s voice chirp about meat pancakes, and he looks up to see her sitting in front of him, smiling and expressing her jealousy that he can eat his favorite food all he wants. She urges him to eat and stay strong, then he closes his eyes and she’s gone, and Yul is alone again.
He’s equally reluctant to participate in his classes, and he sees Hong-shim again, marveling that she asked someone so learned to copy erotic novels. But she grins that the erotic novels were more fun to read, before Yul closes his eyes to banish her image. He announces that he’s disbanding the class.
Soo-ji is thrilled at that, not being the quickest of scholars, but Yul gives him a baleful glare that shuts him up. He runs into Seowon, who asks if Yul resents him for trying to take his place. Yul tells him it’s not his fault, but Seowon says that he resents Yul because everything he wants belongs to him (such as the crown princess?).
Yul just says he doesn’t own them because he wants them, and that he can’t have what he wants, either. Seowon notes that Yul seems different, and Yul speculates that his hundred days outside the palace changed him.
Master Park and Je-yoon travel to Hanyang to beg forgiveness from Minister Kim for treating the crown prince badly when he lived in Songjoo village. Minister Kim asks Je-yoon why he didn’t recognize Yul when he knew him previously, and if the letter Je-yoon said was from Yul was a lie.
Je-yoon has to confess that he can’t recognize faces, and that he hid it for fear of not getting promotions. He says that if he’d known Yul was the prince he wouldn’t have shot at him, and that he would have alerted Minister Kim. Master Park wails that they’re telling the absolute truth, and Minister Kim says that he’ll explain to the king.
Later, Je-yoon tries to get in to see Yul, but he’s blocked by Yul’s new eunuchs. He announces himself loudly through the door, and Yul lets him in, then orders the eunuch to leave. Je-yoon apologizes on his knees for not recognizing Yul and for treating him badly, but Yul only wants to know what happened to Hong-shim.
He asks if Hong-shim left with her brother, but Je-yoon tells him to forget her and focus on the crown princess. He warns Yul that if people find out what happened in Songjoo village, the villagers will be in danger, including Hong-shim and her dad.
Yul says that Je-yoon could still tell them, reminding Je-yoon that he once said they were friends. But Je-yoon says regretfully, “Now, we cannot be friends… you are the crown prince.”
Hong-shim can’t stop thinking about Yul’s proposal and his promises not to leave her. She’s startled to find Je-yoon beside her, and he explains that he knows where she is because he saw her “abduction” by her brother. Saying that he only cares about the present, he presents Hong-shim with some food, but it’s what’s in the third compartment that’s the real gift — paperwork for her new identity.
The new name he chose for her, Hwa-bong, means “pretty flower.” He jokes that he could make that meaning with several names, making her smile, and she asks him for a favor.
Dad can’t be coaxed to eat, blaming himself for this whole mess and wailing that he only made her marry a stranger to save her from becoming a concubine. He thinks that Hong-shim left him behind because she resents him, and all Yang-choon can do is comfort him. Je-yoon walks in on her hugging Dad’s face, and she dies of embarrassment.
When Yul and So-hye finally give their respects to the king and queen, the king is understanding that they didn’t do this right away. But the queen sneers that it was disrespectful to wait so long, then she grins an evil grin and points out that they were never on good terms. Yul says that their time apart has fostered new love and affection between them, though there’s no emotion in his voice.
The ministers are concerned about the representatives from the Ming Empire who are on their way to the palace to celebrate Prince Seowon’s installation. When they arrive, the royal family will look foolish now that Yul is back. One minister wants to send word that the installation was canceled, but Minister Jung says it will be worse if they don’t tell the truth about Yul’s return.
Queen Park pipes up that the people will be curious to see if Yul can handle his duties as crown prince. Someone suggests that Yul host the welcome banquet for the visitors, which should prove he’s fit to rule.
Later, Yul is warned that the queen is planning to make him look bad in front of the Ming envoys. Minister Kim tells Yul that he can’t keep holing up in his chambers or his enemies will come after him even harder, so he needs to prove his abilities at the banquet. He brings Yul some books of poetry, telling him that it’s traditional for the Ming envoys to test the crown prince by reciting poems back and forth, so Yul picks up each book and recites poems from each on the fly, proving that his knowledge is intact.
Soo-ji brings his sister a talisman guaranteed to make her baby a boy even if it’s a girl, but she informs him that she had a dream that it’s a son. She asks if Soo-ji has heard from Moo-yeon or Hyuk, but Soo-ji hasn’t, and he grumbles that their father never cared for him like he cared for Moo-yeon.
He mentions that Minister Kim is searching for Moo-yeon, wanting to confirm something with him. So-hye keeps her expression under control, but under the table, she twists her hands together nervously.
Moo-yeon has a nightmare about the times he failed to kill Yul, and he wakes to find Hong-shim watching over him. She asks again if he should see a doctor, but he asks for cherries instead, remembering how she’d go into the woods when she was young and bring him back cherries so he wouldn’t tell on her.
Je-yoon takes Dad to the cottage where Je-yoon and Hong-shim are hiding out. He tells Hong-shim that he’ll leave if she wants, because he’s ashamed of himself and what he did, but she cries that she didn’t leave him behind on purpose. They both cry for Yul, missing him terribly and blaming themselves. They agree to leave and put everything behind them.
Yul keeps seeing Hong-shim and hearing her talk to him, and she even gives him advice. He tries to ignore her, but he finally tells her that he’s not Won-deuk and there’s no point in her showing up like this, because he already has a wife and a baby on the way. Hong-shim’s image wistfully says that she knows, she just came to say her last goodbye, then she fades away.
For the first time, tears fill Yul’s eyes. He stands and leaves his chambers, ordering his eunuch to get his plain clothes ready. He accidentally calls the eunuch, “Eunuch Yang,” and is told that his faithful friend didn’t make it back from the rain ritual. He demands his clothes again and rides out of the palace, with Guard Kwon’s help when the guard at the gate tries to refuse.
Yul rides at full gallop, remembering how he told Hong-shim that he wanted to live as Won-deuk and never regain his memories so that he could stay by her side. He makes it to the old cottage, and although Hong-shim is there picking up their belongings, she hides from him.
COMMENTS
Dangit Hong-shim, he’s here because he loves you… stop hiding! He’s the crown prince, and he’ll find you eventually if he wants to! Okay, yes, Hong-shim has very valid and scary reasons for not letting Yul see her, but my heart just wants the sweet little love-kittens back in their basket together, all warm and happy.
Mainly I’m just thrilled that Yul finally woke up from his slump and decided to go for what he wants, for the first time in his life. He always rejected the fact that he was crown prince and married to So-hye, but he also never did anything to change his life. Now he’s found something worth fighting for, worth going after his own freedom, and I really, really hopes he gets it.
I was disappointed at first when Yul didn’t protest at all to being told he’s the crown prince and taken back to the palace, especially since Hong-shim disappeared right before he was found. Yes, his personality is very reserved, but he didn’t say anything about wanting to know where she was or make sure she’s okay for a long time. But after seeing the whole episode, I think he was just terrified… terrified of being caught without his memories, terrified of putting Hong-shim and Dad in danger, and terrified of making a slip-up and making things a thousand times worse. It was finally facing the permanent loss of Hong-shim that made him decide that being with her is worth it, so I hope that Hong-shim doesn’t play the martyr for too long.
My primary issue with this show, as much as I love the characters, is the editing, and how major pieces of information are withheld so that it looks like logical events never even happened. I wanted to see Yul get upset at being forced to leave the woman he’d proposed to just moments before! If ever there was a time for Yul to get upset and lose it, that was the time, especially after he nearly did during the magic show, when she was only gone a few seconds. I hope that, just once before the show ends, we get to see Yul in a towering rage over being kept from Hong-shim, because how great would it be to see him just absolutely lose it on his enemies who keep trying to control him?
I really don’t see a way for all this to end with Yul and Hong-shim together that doesn’t involve Yul abdicating, and I just can’t figure out a way to make that happen that doesn’t throw the kingdom into an uproar. Hong-shim would never consent to be a concubine, and even if she did, allowing So-hye’s non-royal baby to become the successor and allowing Minister Kim to have that much power would be a disaster. I have a feeling that Eunuch Yang will be the key once he recovers, and that everything will hinge on Je-yoon letting go of his feelings for Hong-shim and helping her and Yul be together, but I can’t imagine how that will happen. I like that the ending is unpredictable, but it also makes me very nervous not to know that Yul and Hong-shim will be able to be together and just live their lives in peace.
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Tags: 100 Days My Prince, D.O., Nam Ji-hyun
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1 Emi Warling
October 19, 2018 at 1:16 PM
This episode hurt so much! I also can’t predict how this is all end. But what I do know is that I need a happy ending!!!!
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Terumbukarang
October 19, 2018 at 4:27 PM
Remember that lady shaman/witch predicted that Crown Prince Yool will point bloody sword to Hong Shim? I think Hong Shim will die. You can read the tittle "100 Days of My Prince/Husband". If you read again and again the title itself looks so sad, sad ending.
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kiara
October 19, 2018 at 6:30 PM
The Shaman mostly brought up things that already happened in the past since they are supposed to have some kind of connection to the spirit world.
She could be seeing the incident between his family and hers from her father's spirit.
If it's a prediction for the future then she only said that the sword was pointing at Hong-shim.
Maybe the shaman is seeing Hong-shim protecting her brother from Yul's sword since he tried to kill him before.
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justfreeya
October 20, 2018 at 2:37 AM
Hong Shim may die but her true self and her truly identity will arise.. For that I believe.
;)
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Emi Warling
October 20, 2018 at 8:34 AM
I believe the title is in reference to how much time they spent together before he returned to the palace. It was mentioned in one of the more recent episodes that they spent 100 days together.
I honestly think a sad ending would go against the whole tone that the show has set so far. I believe there will be sacrifices made and I’m can’t predict the ending but I have hope that both hong shim and yul will live and be able to be together. That better be the case anyway!
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Sweet C.
October 19, 2018 at 7:02 PM
I think there's still a chance for happy ending and look at this tweet i just saw it earlier
https://mobile.twitter.com/insertmineher3/status/1053441330909667329?p=v
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justfreeya
October 20, 2018 at 2:26 AM
Yeay! :D
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watcher
October 19, 2018 at 9:06 PM
On the chance of looking foolish, I'm almost 100% certain that Yul and HS would end up together. That's not wishful thinking. Rather, I think a happy ending is logical for several reasons:
1. This is a fusion sageuk, similar to Moon/Sun and Moonlight, where there is little doubt that the leads would end up together. The question is how.
2. This drama is light-hearted in tone, despite some heavy elements. The core relationships--those in the village--are heart-warming and comedic. This show focuses, explores, and develops those interpersonal relationships rather than the ones in the palace. The heavier palace intrigue merely acts as a backdrop for the development of the main couple--what caused Yul and HS to meet as adults (the amnesia), and what they would have to overcome in order to be together.
3. Most importantly, Yul and HS are both written as intelligent do-ers who overcome difficulties rather than passive victims who let fate dictate their lives. Given that the show has consistently shown us Yul's and HS's strong characters--both in mind and in action--it's unlikely that the show would reverse itself and let the two leads ultimately fall victim to the deceit and machination of others. There'd be no point (and no reward) to Yul's personal growth and the development of Yul and HS's relationship.
Again, my confidence in a happy ending is not based on wishful thinking, but is based on the tone and direction of this drama. I haven't seen any indication that this drama would end in tragedy given how it has developed.
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kiara
October 19, 2018 at 9:11 PM
Thank you!
I could add more to your list but I'm too happy right now haha.
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gumgum
October 19, 2018 at 10:39 PM
I needed this thank you
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watcher
October 20, 2018 at 3:26 AM
To continue...
4. “Yul/HS win and the bad guys lose” is a common and repeated theme in this drama. In conflicts against the “bad” guys (e.g., Master Park, Magistrate Jo, Ma-chil, the noodle house lady, the palace ministers who told Yul to sleep with the crown princess in order to affect rain, etc.), Yul/HS have always outwitted the bad guys and come out on top. In fact, one of the things that make this show enjoyable is the quick comeuppance that befalls the bad guys. Thus, given this context, it makes no sense that Yul/HS would lose the ultimate battle to Minister Kim or the queen.
5. It’s not hard to envision a happy ending for Yul and HS without Yul abdicating. As I’ve said elsewhere, one possibility can be:
- Minister Kim is taken down inevitably and HS’s father is cleared of treason, thus clearing HS to live at the palace.
- The crown princess has a miscarriage (she’s seen clutching her stomach in pain in ep. 12).
- The crown princess is deposed and exiled for some infraction in exchange for Yul not publicly revealing her adultery.
- HS joins Yul at the palace. This show has made clear that HS’s happiness is person-specific and not location-specific. Her happiness lies with Yul, and not with her living in the village. Thus, I don’t think she’ll have a problem living with Yul at the palace. (As for Yul, the primary purpose of his personal growth at the village, including his newfound ability to empathize with the common people, is to show that he can become a better leader. So it doesn’t make sense that he would abdicate.)
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kbaswithneko
October 20, 2018 at 4:22 AM
No. 5 - Although i haven’t watched a lot of palace dramas, family members of a traitor are usually punished with death or exile. That is the reason Hong Shim and her brother were fugitives. The crown princess would be exiled if her father was charged with treason.
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SamVas
October 20, 2018 at 2:02 PM
So beautifully written! I loved reading your notes and assessment of the show and its direction. Thank you for this! These speculations are very likely and seem to placate our anguish about the fate of our beloved characters.
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watcher
October 21, 2018 at 11:01 PM
Thanks!
kiara
October 21, 2018 at 11:52 AM
WHAT IF THE CROWN PRINCESS IS NOT REALLY PREGNANT?
I have that nagging feeling that she might have been using some kind of medicinal herbs that makes her seems like she is pregnant.
Pregnancy test in those days was determine through feeling/reading her pulse. It would be easy to manipulate with mixture of medicinal herbs.
This happens to one of King Jeongjo's concubine in YI-SAN. She wanted to get pregnant so her brother smuggled in some kind of medicine from outside the palace that made her test positive for pregnancy even though there was no baby inside her womb.
Moo-yeon doesn't seems to act like their relationship was ever intimate although it's clear that their is or was something going on between them. He wouldn't have accepted her gift if he didn't feel anything for her.
If this is the case, she would be deposed but not killed. She can leave the palace and live in that little house with spring flowers that she was dreaming about.
I am hoping that this is the case because I want all of VP Kim's victims to live including his daughter.
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watcher
October 21, 2018 at 11:00 PM
A phantom pregnancy? Wouldn’t that be a hoot. That baby is the impetus for this entire drama--because of that baby, Minister Kim tried to kill Yul in order to hide the baby’s paternity; Yul escaped death, got amnesia and met adult HS… I’d feel cheated if the pregnancy isn’t real because I want to see how that storyline plays out since the baby is the primary focus of the palace intrigue.
Speaking of Mooyeon, in an earlier episode, Sohye thanked Mooyeon for doing something for her and tried to pay him. He didn’t take the money. What was the money for? Was it related to her pregnancy? Hmm… no idea. I don’t see a happy ending for him. I think, predictably, he’ll die a noble death saving someone.
As for Sohye, I think she’ll get her little house with the spring flowers. The show paints her as a sympathetic character. She’s in a forced political marriage with a guy whom she doesn’t like and who doesn’t like her. She rebels against her dad. Even her bad acts—trying to poison Yul and killing the scholar’s son—were “forced” in order to save her baby and her lover. Thus, her character is written in a way where the viewers understand and forgive her for her actions, and want her to have a happy ending. She’ll get her little house with the spring flowers.
kiara
October 22, 2018 at 6:25 AM
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kiara
October 22, 2018 at 6:55 AM
I'm all softy with this drama which is shocking because I'm usually on the bloodthirsty camp when it comes to sageuks lol.
First of all, this pregnancy is the most provocative ever in a sageuk. It's so out there especially in a Confucian moral code. It's beyond daring. Sometimes I feel like the writer may not cross that line.
I guess I just want her and Moo-yeon to be saved.
If Moo-yeon is the father that just add more to his unredeemable sins because that would be treason.
It would be nice to have a "kind of" an anti-hero in the mixed if you even call him that.
I do understand how you feel about the pregnancy and its effect on the main story line.
I just can't help trying to save these two since their chance of surviving in the end is pretty much at the bottom.
2 latebloomer
October 19, 2018 at 1:18 PM
Don't worry, @lollypip, it wouldn't be a romantic comedy if we couldn't get to that happy ending that you're longing for. We just have to navigate all the challenges first.
1. Get rid of wishy-washy King.
2. Have Yul crowned.
3. Reveal treachery of VP Kim.
4. Get rid of VP Kim.
5. Reveal father of Crown Princess's baby.
6. Get rid of Crown Princess.
No problem! Hang in there!
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WishfulToki
October 19, 2018 at 2:00 PM
Lol, I like your thinking!
I'm sort of torn between wanting Yul to be a good king, or just being happy. All too often these do not go together.
If your scenario does not play out I suggest the following:
1. Have Yul relegated to status of Grand Prince citing mental instability.
2. Get rid of wishy-washy king by making him abdicate in favour of Seowon, who seems like a decent bloke.
3. Final episode purge: Get rid of the Queen, Crown Princess, Jung minister, VP Kim, yangban Park and his Ming dog... whom Je Yoon kills by mistake and is executed himself amidst cries of SLSyndrome.
4. Yul retires to a sunny village with Hong Shim.
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Lambling
October 19, 2018 at 3:50 PM
Mehn that’s dark, whatever did JeYoon and the Ming dog do to you
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Kafiyah Bello
October 19, 2018 at 7:10 PM
I am a terrible person, but I laughed at #3.
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Fangirlontheprowlfornewvictims
February 10, 2021 at 11:49 AM
Kill who you want from point 3 just spare the Ming dog.
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3 IsabelG
October 19, 2018 at 1:19 PM
Oh, so much happened in this episode! I think Yul still does not remember much of his previous life, because at a certain point he tells imaginary Hong-shim (i.e., while talking to himself) that he is married and his wife is expecting his child. Poor thing; he even apologized to So-hye for treating her badly in the past!
The scene with the half-brother was also very good. I think when Prince Seowon said "you have everything I want", he meant So-hye. And then Yul said "And I do not want the things I have". Aaargh!
The Palace has become the centre of the action now. I love how they show Yul being lonely in the big rooms -his has a very beautiful screen, by the way.
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Bel
October 20, 2018 at 2:08 AM
"I think when Prince Seowon said "you have everything I want", he meant So-hye. "
Yes I think so too. We know he doesn't want the position of the Crown Prince. It is strange, throughout the drama they keep showing hints that he has feelings for So-Hye (that even his mom is aware of?) yet we never see them interact.
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4 sparks121
October 19, 2018 at 1:50 PM
Spot on with the lack of noble idiots and thus the more painful separation... please let this have a happy ending!
(you'd think that would be a given since this is billed as a rom-com, but alas previous dramas do not guarantee this)
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5 unatuna
October 19, 2018 at 2:02 PM
I have to say, as someone who came in with no prior expectations of D.O.'s acting, I've really enjoyed him thus far. But he's really outdone himself these last two episodes - my heart was *aching* when he teared up in the final scene. You can tell those tears were genuine (not the 'quick, let's get some eye drops in!') as his eyes were swollen and rimmed red, the poor thing. I've been so impressed that somehow manages to convey all these emotions of longing, confusion, loneliness, while staying completely true to his character's stoic, reserved nature. The *only* good thing about him being back in the palace now is the fact we get to ogle him in his princely robes and hanbok again - boy, does he cut a darn good figure in them. (hehe)
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Ek Ladhki Thi
October 19, 2018 at 4:00 PM
Please watch It's Okay It's Love. I probably sound like a broken record with how much I've recommended this show over the course of Hundred Days Husband airing, but if you want to see more of Kyungsoo's acting, you should watch that show.
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Terumbukarang
October 19, 2018 at 4:16 PM
He's a great actor. Compare to some of other idols who turn career into acting. He got everything from face, voice & acting skills. This is the second times he got lead. Welcome to the club. hahaha
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Tq
October 19, 2018 at 4:51 PM
Actually it's his first time lead in drama ^^
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Terumbukarang
October 19, 2018 at 5:22 PM
No, it's second times he got lead role. The first drama is in 2016, title Positive Physique (긍정이 체질) as Hwan-dong on Naver TV Cast.
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Tq
October 19, 2018 at 6:06 PM
Positive physique is webdrama (6 eps with 10 minutes per each) not drama :)
Terumbukarang
October 19, 2018 at 7:13 PM
Webdrama still a drama unless you state the differentiate between the
- tv screen drama
or
- webdrama
So if you refer tv screen drama, then that’s his 1st lead role. But in my comment I just said drama. So it’s second times he got the lead role.
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Bel
October 19, 2018 at 5:51 PM
He’s been in a few movies too! I was impressed with his acting in Along with the Gods and so I decided to watch this show (and also because I like Nam Ji Hyun. It’s one of the top grossing movies in Korea of all times so I highly recommend every one to watch it too. Korea has a lot of great movies!
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PakalanaPikake
October 19, 2018 at 9:14 PM
@bel29,
Kim Dong-wook, currently starring in THE GUEST, is also in the first two ALONG WITH THE GODS films with Do Kyung-soo in that stellar cast. They were both excellent as soldiers in the modern time line. I'm looking forward to the planned third and fourth installments to see how DKS's pivotal character fares. I'm expecting him to have a compelling back story. By the time the fourth show is over, the series will be the movie equivalent of an 8-episode drama.
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blnmom
October 19, 2018 at 8:41 PM
The only other thing I've seen DO in is I Remember You. He was excellent in that. He was creepy as heck.
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gumgum
October 19, 2018 at 10:48 PM
Judging from some interviews it seems he really gets deep into his character with the way he understands them and portrays them (as actors should with their roles haha), and he knows how to bring those emotions out. His eyes do so much. I get so lost in his characters and then suddenly remember he's also EXO's D.O. lol
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SamVas
October 20, 2018 at 2:42 PM
I am super excited for his movie 'Swing Kids' that's coming out this December? I saw a snippet of the trailer on instagram and it gave me chills! He plays a north korean prisoner of war during the korean war, who falls in love with tap dancing. He shaved his head for the role and trained in tap dancing for months. So excited for that! Wish I could see it on the big screen here in the US.
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6 WishfulToki
October 19, 2018 at 2:24 PM
Thank you for the recap @lollypip!
I really enjoyed this episode, plot-wise. I liked that the separation was not caused by Noble Idiocy. I also like the fact that Yul's memories are not coming back no matter how hard he tried, or that they come back in pieces, and he is confused about what he remembers. For example, he seems to remember the Crown Princess approaching him at one night, but not that he rejected her, and therefore seems to believe the baby is his (!).
*massive non-psychologist disclaimer*
In my uninformed opinion, Yul's amnesia had a physical cause initially (wound+fall), but he repressed his memories due to the trauma of growing up in a hostile palace environment and nearly being killed several times - just how many times has he been shot with arrows? An episode ago he had decided that he didn't want to remember so he could live as Won Deuk forever.
He didn't even remember Hong Shim as his first-love, but subconsciously he does (by the way, I'm curious how she seems to have no clue - did she even know his name as a kid?). Habits and knowledge ingrained in his mind have not disappeared either - like his ability to recite poetry, or calling out for Eunuch Yang, or walking with his hands clasped behind his back.
Overall, I'm intrigued to see how the rest of the drama deals with this amnesia in the few episodes we have left. It has been integral to the story so far.
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superwhopotterlock
October 19, 2018 at 8:13 PM
Maybe she knew his name. The kids who were working at her home used to play regularly with yul and his bodyguard friend. That's how she probably learnt that he was mistreating them and taught him a lesson.
I only hope that she doesn't hold him responsible for her father's death or use it as an excuse to stay away from him.
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WishfulToki
October 19, 2018 at 8:37 PM
Hmm. Fingers crossed that we don’t have last minute Noble Idiocy. 😰
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fairyfeast
October 20, 2018 at 12:28 AM
Hong Shim/Yi-seo doesn't know Yul's name, she just knew he was a noble like herself. I think this is also why Hong-shim asked Moo-yeon how he knew Wondeuk was the Crown Prince. if I'm not mistaken, Moo-yeon knew Yi-seo liked a boy but he didn't know it was Yul (there was no actual scene stating either Yi-seo or Moo-yeon knew Yul's name when they were children).
on the other hand, Yul and Dong-joo knows Yi-seo's name; he also said she would look like Hong-shim when they first saw her in the bridge. I think Yul will recognize that Hong-shim is Yi-seo when he fully regains his memories.
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7 zgs1994
October 19, 2018 at 2:26 PM
Meanwhile me: crying 80 liters of salty tears and shaking my fist at the screen.
watching such a self-assured character like yul falling for such blatant lies was so painful. that boy has proved time and again that he has his wits and he likes using them, so him being so unquestionable about vp kim was like a blow to the gut (and painful assasination of his previously lovely character). i do hope the writer/director are being coy with the editing and that yul does remember (see, we never really got to know what he gleaned that day from the arrow shock therapy ft. master park, right? for all we know, those few small snippets might have been enough for a clever boy like him to connect the dots, right?)
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WishfulToki
October 19, 2018 at 2:34 PM
Ah, well, it's true that the editing hasn't been all that clear before... but if we're going by what we've seen I don't think Yul remembers. Arrow shock therapy was a bit of a let-down too.
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zgs1994
October 19, 2018 at 2:38 PM
i'm so scared that they'll ruin it...so far it's been a really good show
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kiara
October 19, 2018 at 6:40 PM
I don't think Yul is falling for anything even if he doesn't have all his memory back.
He is smart and his knowledge and skills is still intact.
I'm expecting him to "pretend" to be on VP Kim's side for now.
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watcher
October 19, 2018 at 9:29 PM
I don't think Yul has fallen for Minister Kim's lies. Before his amnesia, he was very smart and skeptical. Now, he's even smarter because not only did he retain his intelligence from before his amnesia, he gained street smarts while living in the village. Thus, I think he's only going along with Minister Kim's lies because they suit his own purpose. I think Yul has recovered most (if not all) of his memory but is not letting it on.
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kbaswithneko
October 20, 2018 at 4:41 AM
He needs to assess the situation, what is true and what is manipulation, before he can decide how to act. He has always been so alone. I thought his boyguard would survive somehow, but it doesn’t seem so. I felt so bad for Yul when Je Yoon said they could not be friends.
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8 kiara
October 19, 2018 at 3:51 PM
@lollypip
Thank you for the recaps and I hope that you are feeling better!
"My primary issue with this show, as much as I love the characters, is the editing, and how major pieces of information are withheld so that it looks like logical events never even happened."
Why is this becoming more common with pre-produced sageuks? Don't they have more time to iron things out before the show airs?
"I really don’t see a way for all this to end with Yul and Hong-shim together that doesn’t involve Yul abdicating, and I just can’t figure out a way to make that happen that doesn’t throw the kingdom into an uproar."
OH-HO what's with this kind of talk? Maybe I'm all softy here but all I see is happy ending all over the place except for VP Kim and his camp.
(Be back in a bit with some meat pancakes).
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sparks121
October 19, 2018 at 4:16 PM
lol, I agree with you on predictions for the ending. as much as i fear a tragic ending, a happy one seems more likely. And with yul becoming king instead of, say, abdicating.
I'll be honest, I've been too busy enjoying the show to notice the editing issues. But a keenly observant person I am not, especially when I'm too busy fangirling over how amazing NJH is, etc...
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kiara
October 19, 2018 at 5:11 PM
I don't see the point in Yul abdicating the throne. His whole experience with the common people at Song-joo village helped him see the world through their eyes. He knows first hand what it feels like to be in their shoes. He is smart and wise to acknowledge people of talents etc etc.
He found someone that he loves and she would help him rule fairly in Hong-shim.
Seo-won has none of that. What does he know about the people's need? He is indecisive like his father. Not too long ago he said he won't covet his brother's position but now he is singing a different tune.
He needs to survive puberty first then we'll see haha.
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sparks121
October 19, 2018 at 5:22 PM
exactly. him living a "common" life would be kind of pointless. But yeah, all sorts of predictions on the ending have come up...
LOL prince seo-won and puberty. 😂
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watcher
October 19, 2018 at 9:46 PM
I agree with this. There's zero point in Yul abdicating the throne. The purpose of showing his character growth and ability to empathize with the common people is that he'll become a better king with the things he has learned in the village. He can be with HS without abdicating by (1) deposing the crown princess by some kind of infraction (which she would have to accept in lieu of being publicly revealed as an adulteress); and (2) revealing that HS's father is not a traitor, thus she isn't a criminal by relation and can be with him in the palace.
As for Seowon, the only reason people say that he would be a good king is that he's moral. That's certainly not enough to determine that he'd be a good king.
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kiara
October 20, 2018 at 6:44 AM
Exactly, a good king should know how to govern, protect and help his people.
A good king would encourage and acknowledge his subjects and their contributions.
The palace turns into a battle ground because the current king has no clue how to bring order to his court. The power distribution is one sided and both parties constantly fights for control of the court instead of doing their job for the country and the people.
VP Kim staged the coup because he felt like he was looking down on and the only way for him to advance is to gain power.
Yul has shown to have important traits that would make him a great king and prevent the political parties from fighting over power.
Cleaning out the court and bringing trustworthy people with talents would help him execute changes that need to be done to relieve his people from the heavy burdens they are carrying.
latebloomer
October 19, 2018 at 4:41 PM
Love that OH-HO!
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PakalanaPikake
October 20, 2018 at 12:19 AM
@kiara, @lollypip,
I agree with both of you. The continuity and editing are screwy, and necessitate mind-reading talent on the part of viewers to discern what Writer-nim has left to languish between the lines. Some of this may also be attributable to subtitles that omit such useful details as titles of books, content of proclamations, lyrics of OSTs, etc.
IMHO, they should finish writing the danged script first and then start production. But that would be too logical. Hrmph!
MOON LOVERS was touted as being 100% pre-produced, but apparently the script was not, hence that logical but half-baked ending. Also, the show was re-edited after it started airing, as I recall. What a fiasco. Two different versions ended up being broadcast, depending on where you were watching it. It was frustrating. So much potential down the drain. I felt bad for the cast and crew who had obviously busted their butts.
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Lelly19
October 20, 2018 at 1:20 AM
Right?! I don't understand why they don't write the complete script first!
Actually, I'm sure there is a valid reason! lol!
But I still feel like this is a big flaw of dramas: I guess not every writer is able to plan ahead efficiently while writing one episode at a time (after the first batch, at least, I think they usually have 3-4 episodes already written before they start filming)!
Besides, the drama might be pre-produced, but the filming has still the same schedule as non pre-prod ones, I believe; the difference is that they have all the scenes already before the drama starts airing, so they might have a bit more freedom with the editing, if they want to change something, but they still work on whatever material was already filmed...
At least this is what it looks like to me, but I might be wrong! 😅
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kiara
October 20, 2018 at 6:48 AM
I was thinking about MOON LOVERS also when it comes to pre-produced sageuks with editing problems.
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9 Kafiyah Bello
October 19, 2018 at 7:08 PM
Oh Boy, so sad this. Our poor Hong-Shim. Our poor Yul. How will they resolve this in three episodes. We are in for a wild ride.
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watcher
October 19, 2018 at 9:46 PM
knets are saying that this is a 16-episode drama with four episodes left.
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Kafiyah Bello
October 20, 2018 at 3:34 AM
Oh really, I had heard it was 15 eps, but 16 is good too.
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10 jheeewel
October 19, 2018 at 7:41 PM
This episode had me tear up especially when Hongshim was crying and when his father was worried about her and Wondeuk... 😭😭😭
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11 superwhopotterlock
October 19, 2018 at 8:08 PM
I want official park to be the human target and the villagers should shoot arrows at him. Seeing that none of them are experts, maybe they'll 'accidentally 'end up hitting him in all the right places.
Yes I'm not sorry.
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WishfulToki
October 19, 2018 at 8:39 PM
Oh-ho! Looks like I’m not the only one turning a bit violent thanks to this drama 😂
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kiara
October 19, 2018 at 9:08 PM
Haha and they need to take turn flogging him at the courtyard (30 times for Hong-shim).
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PakalanaPikake
October 19, 2018 at 9:38 PM
Oh no no no! (in best Jenniferrrrr voice from THIRTY NOT SEVENTEEN).
Official Park is the good guy Non-deok said should take the civil service exam.
It's Master Park, the leering old goat who wanted to make Hong-shim his concubine, who deserves punishment. If he really is Queen Park's father, he's going to go down for treason when she does. Preferably after singing like a canary about Minister Kim's evil deeds. Prince Seowon doesn't deserve to be killed for his mother's and grandfather's sins, however, even if he does have the unrequited hots for Seja bi.
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kiara
October 19, 2018 at 10:07 PM
I have a case of temporary prosopagnosia. Apologies to Official Park.
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PakalanaPikake
October 19, 2018 at 11:39 PM
@kiara,
ROFLMAO! Prosopagnosia turns out to be highly contagious after all. You can get it through your computer screen and handphone. Tip of the gat to THE GUEST's resident evil spirit, Park Il-do, who likes to "reach out and clutch someone" via the telephone.
You'd think that Writer-nim could have come up with different names for these two characters. Sheesh! Two of the main characters in GUEST, and one victim, share the syllable Yoon in their names. It's diabolical, I say. ;-)
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kiara
October 20, 2018 at 7:58 AM
Contagious indeed. I felt the need to explain to avoid being exiled for treason.
Maybe I won't mind so much if I have a good looking assassin like Moo-yeon by my side haha.
Dear princess off with your head. I'm going to steal your man lol.
superwhopotterlock
October 19, 2018 at 10:12 PM
I meant the old guy only. Sorry for the confusion. I'm not good with titles.
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PakalanaPikake
October 19, 2018 at 11:49 PM
@superwhopotterlock,
Not a big deal. Ranks and titles throw me, too. Often it's because subtitles aren't up to snuff. I want the baddies to get their just deserts, while the good guys get to have their cake and eat it, too -- with a cherry on top. ;-)
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12 newgirl
October 19, 2018 at 9:53 PM
Thank you @lollypip for this quick, fun recap!
For those of you in the US who are wondering how they'll ever get to see this episode (now that DF has tanked) I found it easily on You Tube. Just search by "100 days my prince eng subs". There are a couple of channels that have it. Watch it quick before someone makes them pull it down!
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13 gumgum
October 19, 2018 at 11:17 PM
Oh my god I am so thankful for all the people on the comments that can see the happy ending bigger picture in this, because I don't know how it could happen. My best guess was Hongshim becomes a concubine but I don't think she'd let that happen. So keep the theories coming huhu my hope for a happy ending is fueled thank you!!!
This episode was so painful, anytime anyone cried I cried with them. When Hongshim heard the truth, when she threw the shoes just to look for them and remember Wondeuk as she clutched them and cried, that was painful. Whenever Yul imagined Hongshim with him, I lost it. When Je Yoon said they couldn't be friends, when Yul said he couldn't have the things he wanted. Hongshim's "goodbye", Yul's tears (god the most painful scene of them all, the only time he'd cried as Crown Prince and they were tears for Hongshim), that he came back for her and she hid from him??? I understand how she might feel after everything, just seeing that last bit really did it for me. :(
When they showed the scene of Yul saying "We never so much as held hands, and now you're pregnant?" that was the Crown Princess' memory right? So Yul still thinks the baby is his? That really confused me. I hope he gets his memories and then plays along as much as needed until he can find a way to depose whoever and marry Hongshim for real (and become king even). Until then I feel quite resigned to a sad ending (but with renewed hope for a happy one!).
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fairyfeast
October 20, 2018 at 12:47 AM
interesting question, I thought that scene was from Yul's memories but I need to re-watch it again to make sure, since he told imaginary-Hongshim that the child is his.
one thing I take from some k-fans is that the sentence in korean doesn't have a clear I/You/We subject, so the literal translation should be: "Never so much as held hand, but getting pregnant?" since Yul opened his narration with "I heard from a friend..." as if he's telling a story instead of directly confronting the Crown Princess. So even if the scene's Yul's recollection, it's not complete (like his recollection when CPrincess asked to spend the night together) thus I'm still not sure how much Yul remembers in this episode.
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14 fairyfeast
October 20, 2018 at 12:40 AM
Yul is so silent in this episode that I guess he's still processing all the 'information' Minister Kim gave him with the fragments of memories that increasingly coming back to him. It'll really be too out-of-character for him to just believe whatever Minister Kim is saying, plus the scene where he asked for Eunuch Yang might mean that being in a familiar surrounding of the palace helps him more than the editing gives out.
as for Hong-shim, it hurts seeing her in this episode and it's clear that she always have so many things happening in her life-- her brother, their departure, her Dad, her feelings for Wondeuk, and now Jeyoon doesn't really help her cause by 'comforting' her and left Yul in the dust. He means well, but it doesn't help the big picture for now. Him trying to save Eunuch Yang can be the real key to help Yul getting rid of Minister Kim/Crown Princess but we haven't been shown any progress about that yet. The palace politics need to be dealt with before Yul and Hong-shim can peacefully live together.
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15 Lelly19
October 20, 2018 at 1:24 AM
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16 watcher
October 20, 2018 at 1:37 AM
"I wanted to see Yul get upset at being forced to leave the woman he’d proposed to just moments before! If ever there was a time for Yul to get upset and lose it, that was the time..."
@lollypip - Given what Yul has remembered and all that he has been told, I think it makes sense that he didn't make a scene when Minister Kim discovered him--he feared that his discovery would endanger HS's life.
First, he remembers (1) being shot at, (2) an arrow piercing a woman's throat right next to him, and (3) his being at the village is the result of someone trying to kill him.
Second, in ep. 10, Mooyeon told him that he's already dead in everyone's memory, and that countless people would die if his existence is revealed.
Third, in ep. 11, the lady shaman warned HS to run or else she'd be killed because Yul's sword was pointed at her.
Therefore, given all of these info, Yul knows that his real identity is surrounded by danger and may lead to the death of others. That's why he left quietly with Minister Kim so as not to endanger HS and others.
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fairyfeast
October 20, 2018 at 4:21 AM
oh what a thorough comment, I forgot Mooyeon told him that. I guess when you think about it Yul crying alone and leaving the palace /is/ his silent way of showing that he's upset. in a way, he rarely gets flustered (unless when he's being teased at).
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17 justfreeya
October 20, 2018 at 1:55 AM
He accidentally calls the eunuch, “Eunuch Yang,” ..
He's back????
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justfreeya
October 20, 2018 at 2:01 AM
He refers to the Prince... his memory is completly back?
And.. Eunuch Yang, please recover quickly and present yourself in front of everybody. Show them the truly evil of all..!
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Lelly19
October 20, 2018 at 2:59 AM
I think he remembers a few things unconsciously, they come natural to him, just like he knows how to read, write and recite poetry :)
He recovered a lot of memories over some time, but they are still quite blurry and I'm not sure he can see the overall picture yet...hopefully someone will soon come and help him with that *cough* Je-yoon *cough*
It doesn't help the fact that people are actually telling him half truths, mixed with lies...the crown princess did the right thing for herself by telling him they weren't in good terms, for example...
And yes, please! Eunuch Yang we need you!
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justfreeya
October 20, 2018 at 4:41 AM
".. the crown princess did the right thing for herself by telling him they weren't in good terms, .."
And that makes me confuse too. What is her motive? Is it a strategy to win Crown Prince's heart?
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Lelly19
October 20, 2018 at 4:49 AM
I don't think she necessarily wants his affection, it's just survival instinct! XD
The less lies she say the better, so that she looks more convincing.
She is following her father's plan, which is to keep Yul under control until the child she is bearing can be made crown prince...their main goal is making Yul believe he's the father of the baby, for now! :)
18 Lelly19
October 20, 2018 at 3:43 AM
This episode was so painful to watch!! 💔😭
I've seen it twice, the first time live and I cried, the second time with subs and I cried even more after I understood some scenes better!!
Both Hong-shim and Yul are in a very unfortunate situation, but I can't help pitying Yul more!
He is alone, still partially amnesiac, surrounded by people who mostly don't care about him and are deceiving him for their own personal profit...every time he appeared on screen with those sad eyes it was like a stab in my heart...I lost it when he was imagining HS, especially that last goodbye 😭
Plus him thinking So-hye's baby is his child was extremely frustrating! 🤬
As for Hong-shim, at least she is safe with her brother and could reunite with her father, she has some form of support...but seeing her cry so desperately was hard too! 😢
I just want them to be happy together again!!
I'm still 99% sure we'll get our happy ending, that's what rom-coms are for, after all!
The fact that Hong-shim actually comes from a noble and important family is reassuring, to me.
I know nothing about Joseon's politics and such, but to me it seems like her father held quite a respectable position; I might be wrong, but I feel like Yi-Seo could have been a good candidate to marry the crown prince, if her family hadn't been falsely accused of treason.
I think Yul can solve this issue and marry her after the current crown princess is taken out of the picture, somehow 😉
...Maybe I'm just being too naive!
Something I'm not sure about is this Ming envoy plot...we have already so many things on the plate, why add something that looks pretty irrelevant, now?? I guess we'll see how it goes...but it's not the first time I've been feeling like this about some side story-lines during the course of the drama 👀
Well, I can't wait to see what the drama has planned for us..for now more tears, it seems! 😭
P.S. I've been meaning to say this for so long: shout-out to the music in the drama, it has been on point since day 1 and it gives so much more depth to each scene!! 😍
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watcher
October 20, 2018 at 4:31 AM
I think the Ming envoy is just a plot point for everyone at the palace (Minister Kim, the King, the queen, Jung) to test how much Yul remembers. How much Yul remembers is integral to the storyline.
Personally, I think Yul remembers everything (or almost everything), so he'll decide how much he wants to reveal during his meeting.
(They emphasize the importance of the Ming envoy to underscore that this is a test that Yul can't avoid.)
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Lelly19
October 20, 2018 at 4:37 AM
Yes, I do understand its purpose, but with not many episodes left I wish they went straight to the point, instead of playing more games 😅
But hopefully it will work out! ^^
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PakalanaPikake
October 20, 2018 at 4:36 AM
@cubely Lelly19,
How the Ming envoys might fit into the plot: The Emperor's diplomats may be aware of smuggling operations at the border, as well as irregularities with regard to the delivery of tribute, which would be a big deal. Recall that there had been a passing comment between ministers about not being able to obtain luxury merchandise because the rain ritual had been canceled.
I saw another sageuk (the name escapes me at the moment) that had this very scenario in its plot, with the Chinese envoys executing their own envoy for corruption. Just a thought, more for future reference than a likely plot point as smuggling hasn't been mentioned before. It would be too little, too late.
I agree about the music. The instrumentals have been lovely.
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Lelly19
October 20, 2018 at 4:42 AM
Wait, wasn't that Love in the Moonlight?? I remember a similar scene, it was around the beginning of the drama...I should go check this!! ^^
Anyways, thank you! Those are some some valid points!! Hopefully I'm worrying for nothing! :)
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PakalanaPikake
October 20, 2018 at 9:40 AM
Thanks, @cubely Lelly19, for the LOVE IN THE MOONLIGHT reminder. I completely lost the pointer to that part of the plot.
It makes a lot more sense that Yul would have to pass muster during the ritualized poetry recitation with the Ming envoys, per @ watcher's post above.
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justfreeya
October 20, 2018 at 4:49 AM
...Maybe I'm just being too naive! (2)
XD
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kiara
October 20, 2018 at 10:38 AM
@Lelly19
This is historically relevant. The presence of the Ming envoy and how this is going to benefit Yul.
This is based on Confucian ideals. A junior was expected to respect and serve the senior and the senior was expected to take care of the junior. That applies to relationship between a bigger and smaller country.
Ming (China) was the bigger country and Joseon was a vassal state to Ming. That doesn't mean that the Emperor of China was ruling over Joseon.
The diplomatic deal is, that "Ming (China) would provide Joseon with military support, governing legitimacy, economic benefits through free trades, aids during natural disasters etc.
In return, Joseon would pledge loyalty to the Ming emperor as the ultimate governing authority, pay tributes etc.
The Ming envoy here is invited to be presence in order for the establishment of the crown prince to be legitimate. Fortunately for Joseon's sake it got cancelled.
In earlier episodes I mentioned that Yul has good diplomatic skills from the way he deals with Ma-chil. Now he'll get to apply that same skills with the Ming envoy and show them that he is the more capable future king.
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Lelly19
October 20, 2018 at 12:25 PM
I wish I had all this knowledge about this topic! ^^
It's a part of history I never really learned in school, but it's very interesting...I'm just too new to kdramas (sageuks especially) to be aware of all these details!
Thank you for the insight! ;)
Anyways, my doubts are not about this story fitting the drama plot-wise, but time-wise, since there are just a few episodes left and a lot of things yet to solve...but if it's going to help deal with some of those issues, in the end it might be a good thing for the story and Yul, as you mentioned! :)
We'll see! XD
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SamVas
October 20, 2018 at 3:07 PM
@kiara, Thank you for that information! I suspected that it was important to be on good terms with the Ming empire. If Yul impresses them, their backing might help Yul in his fight against Min. Kim.
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kiara
October 20, 2018 at 5:27 PM
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SamVas
October 21, 2018 at 10:07 AM
I love the background score. I have stopped and replayed a scene many times to hear it again because of the way it enhanced the scene, including the opening theme. But there have only been 3 OSTs. What's up with that!? With only 2 weeks left, I am very uncomfortable about it. :=(
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Lelly19
October 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM
I've been wondering the same thing...
Usually dramas easily get 6-7 OSTs, but sometimes even more...I'm not sure why they were this stingy this time around; I think we can maybe wait for a part 4, but not more than that :/
Maybe they just liked the instrumental score so much that they didn't feel the need for original songs...I guess we'll never know!
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19 Ashes2Ashes
October 20, 2018 at 4:03 AM
Thanks for another wonderful recap, @lollypip DO and NJH really delivered the emotional beats this hour.Her sobs in the forest and his silent tears were just spot on.
I am still hopeful for a HEA for our main leads.
Yul has been very silent this hour which leads me to believe we are due another set of flashbacks to fill the gaps.
Was left wondering what was the point of saving Eunuch Yang but he is clearly going to be the key.Yul usually files away every piece of info and latches on to any little contradiction.Min Kim seems to have dug his own grave by lying to him that Yang was killed on his way to the rain ceremony.My guess is,Seja will hear from someone that Yang had identified his body and will start pulling on that thread until everything is unravelled.
Once again,Jo Yeon is shown to be acting mysteriously when he already holds loads of puzzle pieces.I believe he is working to assist both the leads and is currently trying to protect all parties as best as he can.
Lastly have to say,Seja Bi s got ovaries of steel.Yeah she is feeding Yul bull about carrying his kid but she was also honest about their apatehtic relationship and didn't try to con him into a love connection when he is weak and susceptible.May be it's because she knows daddy dearest is gonna dispose of him asap or maybe because her heart is always engaged somewhere else(*-cough-*MooYeon*-cough-*)
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20 Mimi
October 20, 2018 at 4:19 AM
My speculation is Yul had recovered his memory, is hiding the fact that he remembers everything and work with je yoon to trap the evil ministers
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21 justfreeya
October 20, 2018 at 5:34 AM
I look forward to Crown Princess brave enough to fight against her father for what he has done to her since childhood..
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kiara
October 20, 2018 at 8:36 AM
Me too! She doesn't even do what her father told her to do.
Instead of starting over with Yul, she told Yul that they never got along before and she is used
to being alone in palace.
She has her own agenda and I'm curious about which side she is going to be with at the end.
I think she got pregnant to spite her father for using her and maybe for separating her from Moo-yeon.
It's obvious they have a history together but Moo-yeon sees it as an ill faded relationship and must cut ties with her. That's why he returned her bracelet.
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22 ramenqueen
October 20, 2018 at 6:17 AM
Does no one care to find out who assisnated and almost killed the crown prince?? Ughhh where to watch this show w/o DramaFever now, help! And I don’t know how we can get a happy ending at this rate...
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23 CC
October 20, 2018 at 8:19 AM
This is why I love coming on Dramabeans! I didn't even think about the fact that Lee Yool had not really expressed full-on anger when he was forced to leave Hong-Shim and his happy life with her once he found out he was Crown Prince.
"I hope that, just once before the show ends, we get to see Yul in a towering rage over being kept from Hong-shim, because how great would it be to see him just absolutely lose it on his enemies who keep trying to control him?" I can totally see this happening towards the end when all goes to hell, Lee Yool is quick on his feet and mind so I would not be surprised if for a moment he does lose his cool composure and just rages HULK style on his enemies for what they have put him and Hong-Shim through.
This episode was so depressing I felt I was watching them grieve the death of a loved one rather than just be separated. Hong-Shim had was always subtle about her feelings for Lee Yool, it is clear she is deeply in love with him but when they were together in the village it was shown more obvious from his end than hers. In this episodes it is the other way around and I love that. She is seen sobbing over and over again and truly expressing grief while he seems colder and inside himself. That last scene with him crying that tiny tear hit me in the heart. Every time she appeared in front of him in his mind I couldn't help but think how well he really took the time to look at her and remember all her features, her voice, and her facial expressions. My heart it Hurts!
As for how this drama will end, I will go into HULK style rage if it doesn't end with them begin together! There has been a couple of hints on them ending up together like for starters him proposing to finally marry her for real and not out of force while having her brothers blessing, Hong-Shim telling Lee Yool that she won't sleep with him until he remembers who is, both continuously keep bringing up the erotic novel and how they have yet to consummate their marriage, and the number of times he said he would not leave her because he is her husband and she is his wife and even sealed it with a kissed. Now he technically broke the promise to stay with her due to unseen circumstances on his end, but it is not over yet!
I'll be wishing on my lucky stars that he does become king because he has shown he is worthy of that position and able to rule fairly and righteously and I hope Hong-Shim becomes Queen because she has the same values and morals he does. I hope we see them together in their matching royal robes as king and queen with a baby on the way or a toddler running around the palace with the father alongside them and the village people living better lives outside the palace. I hope to see their village friends possibly gain higher positions and become nobles from getting educated and with the king and queens help. Maybe the former crown princess is living with her baby safe and well outside the palace and all the enemies or either dead or...
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24 kiara
October 20, 2018 at 8:19 AM
JIN JI-HEE TO MAKE SPECIAL APPEARANCE ON TVN DRAMA ‘100 DAYS MY PRINCE’
Yay! I'm happy for my sageuk girls. Jin Ji-hee, Nam Ji-hyun and Heo Jung-eun in one drama.
*Dance*
"saeng-il chukha-haeyo,
saeng-il chukha-haeyo"
Holy crap I just now realized that they were singing happy birthday in a less formal/casual way to Won-deok.
The more formal way is "saeng-il chukha-hamnida."
http://kpoplove.koreadaily.com/jin-ji-hee-make-special-appearance-tvn-drama-100-days-my-prince/
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Lelly19
October 20, 2018 at 8:31 AM
I think we already saw a glimpse of Jin Ji-hee (I didn't know her before, I'm guessing ^^) in the teaser at the end of ep 12 ;)
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kiara
October 20, 2018 at 11:17 AM
Jin Ji-hee is a sageuk baby just like Nam Ji-hyun :).
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Lelly19
October 20, 2018 at 12:32 PM
Yeah I saw! I looked her up after you mentioned her! ^^
Her first project was when she was 4 (per asian wiki) apparently!
She is just 19 and has a longer filmography than D.O. XD
And I realized I've actually seen her before: she did a cameo in Fight My Way last year! :)
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25 fking
October 20, 2018 at 9:08 AM
Will there be a recap for episode 13?
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Lelly19
October 20, 2018 at 9:21 AM
Yes, of course! ^^
Coming next Wednesday/Thursday, probably ;)
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26 fking
October 20, 2018 at 9:12 AM
Where can we watch this drama now that Dramafever is no more?
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Lelly19
October 20, 2018 at 9:30 AM
Youtube and Dailymotion: NO pop-ups nor annoying/dangerous ads, must watch quickly because the videos get easily reported and taken down.
Kissasian, dramabus, fastdrama, myasiantv, etc...: pop-ups and annoying (possibly dangerous) ads every time you click on the page; episodes usually don't get deleted, so you can take your time to watch them!
Hope this helps! ^^
I think there are a couple legal options left (Viu maybe?) but it depends on where you live, because they have the rights just for a few regions, and I doubt they're the same that were covered by Dramafever.
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27 Spurscrazy
October 20, 2018 at 9:35 AM
I think the simplest way for our leads to get a happy ending is that the Crown Princess will die - via giving birth, or someone kills her, or she kills herself. I don't think the viewers will want Hong Shim to end up as a concubine.
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28 Spurscrazy
October 20, 2018 at 10:01 AM
Also, I think the real father of CP's baby is Sowon (2nd prince). He is jealous of Yul saying that he has everything that he wants and the way he protects the CP is telling me that he's the father.
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29 SamVas
October 20, 2018 at 5:06 PM
Great recap @lollypip. Thanks! I am a bit late to the party, but here goes.
Firstly, yay! I called that LY dramatic entrance during SW’s installation ceremony. A lot of us already sense that LY is patiently biding his time until he can blindside Left Minister Kim. He is going out of his way to seem very trusting and appears swayed by his father-in-law’s version of the events by openly defending him in his father’s court. He didn’t fight them when he was taken back to the palace and didn’t draw attention to HS despite her sudden disappearance because he knew what was at stake there. They were preparing to leave quietly and go in to hiding. That’s why his first words to JY (his only connection to his village life) was if HS was ok. He is back to being trapped in the palace, but this time, as @lollypip put it, he has something to fight for and more experience from his humble village life. But I enjoyed his indignation and superior air when they questioned his knowledge and his fitness to pull off hosting the Ming dynasty guests.
JY continues to be the most frustrating of all characters. I still can’t figure out his true intentions. The preview shows him trying to get with HS, now that WD/LY is out of the way (choose between love or loyalty? What even?!). He asks to see the CP and then snubs him by telling him to stop thinking about HS because he has the CPss and the baby to worry about. I know it was partly because he knows a bit more about HS’s story than LY does and doesn’t want to endanger HS’s life. It is natural to think about his chances with HS, now that she is separated from LY and seems unlikely she'll be back together with him (as of now). But it’s painful to watch him try and imagine a future with HS, give her new identity and worry if she’ll ever forget about WD. I was first annoyed at his rejection of LY’s friendship. His dissenting tone was harsher than necessary. But then I remembered that’s exactly what WD did to him. LY has enough to worry about and now he has deal with the added pain of his jealousy and insecurity because of JY’s actions with HS.
I like Min. Kim as a villain. He is sly and slick and covers all his bases. I can already see him holding HS and/or village people hostage for LY’s compliance as ransom. Back in ep. 1, we see LY riding, from what I gather, towards Songjoo village, which appears to be under attack. Taking him down will be truly worth it. But that also may mean some sacrifices. I have a feeling we may lose the current king along with a few other beloved characters by the end. I also liked how bold and open the CPss was with LY. Her character feels deeper, richer and fuller than similar characters in other dramas. I can’t seem to hate her despite her attempts to rid of Yul. She is selfish and human and once she discovers that Yul has someone else in his heart, I can see her working that to her advantage. She appears to have her own agenda separate from her father’s and I am curious to see what she...
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SamVas
October 20, 2018 at 5:11 PM
... I am curious to see what she does.
Great, but painful/frustrating episode. Excellent, emotional and heartfelt acting from both our leads. Looking forward to Monday!
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30 Emily
October 20, 2018 at 6:58 PM
The slump you are referring to that Yool was in I think he was going to do something after the rain ritual but he never got the chance.
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31 Chukahae (축하해)
October 20, 2018 at 11:42 PM
Dear history beanies,
By any chance, is there any element in this drama based on real-life historical figures or settings? I hope that isn't the case here. From my experience, although limited, such drama tends to have a sad ending.
Ofc, ultimately it's up to the writer on how to write the ending. But this is a rom com sageuk right? Cheers for a happy ending. 🍻🍻🍻
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kiara
October 22, 2018 at 5:44 AM
I'm pretty sure this is not based on any historical figures like MOON/SUN. There hasn't been a crown princess in history who got pregnant outside of her marriage or crown prince with amnesia.
This is a rom.com dress up sageuk so a happy ending is expected.
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32 Chukahae (축하해)
October 20, 2018 at 11:48 PM
I really hope that Prince Yul will get his memory back very soon. Miss the old Yul who always knows his enemies and won't let them easily get the upper hand. Sad to see the good guys being played like a fiddle.
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33 hyanggi
October 21, 2018 at 11:57 AM
Omg is there a possibility of not having a happy ending ?? Noooo.
Also, I've only just remembered that they can't be together because the King ordered men to kill Hong Shim's father, but we all know Yul is of a different mould than his father, but still... :(
My heart goes out to the couple, especially Yul. He looks so lonely and unlike himself. The pain across his face... oof.
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34 Lelly19
October 21, 2018 at 10:30 PM
!!!
Another clue on the second mystery of this drama: how many episodes are there in total??
I just saw a tweet from tvN who explicitly mentioned that there are 4 (FOUR) episodes left!!!
I hope it's accurate 😁
Best news to wake up to! 😍
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